Fantasy Football Today - Waiver Wire! Audric Estime, Browns WRs, Bo Nix, Russell Wilson and More (11/12 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

We finally have some decent waiver wire running backs! Let's talk about our top priorities (3:45) including Audric Estime, Bo Nix, Jerry Jeudy and Gus Edwards. Who has great matchups in the next seve...ral weeks (6:45)? How much FAB are we spending (10:40)? How good could Estime be rest of season (12:30)? ... Top three priorities at each position: QB (24:55), RB (30:30), WR (32:18), TE (35:40), DST (38:25) and Kicker. We talk about Jameis Winston, Tyjae Spears, Dawson Knox, Alec Pierce and Cam Akers among others ... Options in shallow leagues (40:55) and deep leagues (45:30), a recap of Dolphins-Rams (49:45), the Dropometer (55:50) and a longer look at the waiver wire (59:10) at each position ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:43 This is gonna go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath. It's WaiverWire time on Tuesday, November 12th. We welcome you to Fantasy Football Today presented by BED MGM, the sportsbook born in Vegas. See you guys. Have a good one. It's gonna be a fun show today. Before we started the show, instead of saying, okay, let's start,
Starting point is 00:02:05 I said, see you guys. I don't know what that was all about, but the Giants, the Cardinals, the Bucks and the Panthers are on by. We've got some pretty good wide receivers. We've got a couple of good quarterbacks on by and a couple of teams that we like to pick on for DST purposes on by as well.
Starting point is 00:02:22 So, bye weeks are coming and plan ahead as well. So Bi Weeks are coming and Plan Ahead as well. If you don't need anybody for this week, take a look at your roster for Fantasy Week 12 and see what you might need. But guys, in my estimation, there's a couple of good running backs to get today, right? Not a bad week. Not a bad week with your bad puns.
Starting point is 00:02:45 Thanks. That's it was, you know, because estimate. Thanks. Thanks everyone. Okay. Anyway, yeah, it is. It's a good week for running. Finally, like a little bit of life at running back, but wide receiver not usually not as
Starting point is 00:02:56 good as usual. How would you characterize waiver wires, waiver wire this week, Jamie? It's not bad. You know, I mean, there are options that you can get short term and long term. I think for the running back position there are some still good stash candidates. If you're starting to see your team as a playoff contender that you want to have as potential lottery tickets. A lot of the same guys we talked about last week, Trey Benson, Blake Corum, some of those guys that could be league winners if they get opportunities. And then you mentioned that SMA and Gus Edwards and potentially Camakers,
Starting point is 00:03:26 if he starts for an engineer in Jones, you know, there are guys that could be, you know, borderline starters or starters, depending on what you need. Receiver's not as good as you said, but it's also not bad given the, you know, Colts situation and what they're dealing with and the Brown situation, you know, you have guys there that are gonna get a lot of opportunities, a a lot of targets and I don't think matchups you fear.
Starting point is 00:03:49 So some tight ends that are available due to injuries and some quarterbacks, you know, so there's, you know, I always look at it this way, like, could I make a starting lineup out of the waiver wire guys? And it would be a bad starting lineup, but I can make a starting line up. I'd love to face that starting line. All right. So let's get our top three priorities here than just on paper. Dave, I'll let you start. That's somebody's going to be number one. And after that, I think it's I mean, we say this every week.
Starting point is 00:04:16 It comes down to what you need. I feel like there's something for everybody. If you need a quarterback, Russell Wilson, if you need a wide receiver, I've got Pierce Hall at the top of my list, but you can make the case for one of the Colts guys. You can make the case for Jerry Judy, as gross as it sounds, he's giving you double digit PPR points each of his last two games. You can make the case for Metchi if you buy into him being the slot rest of season in Houston.
Starting point is 00:04:39 That's to name a top three. Let's go with SMA number one, That's to name a top three. Let's go with estimate number one, Pierce hall number two, Russ three. Russell Wilson facing Baltimore this week. There are definitely some quarterbacks with good matchups. So you should be able to find a quarterback that you like this week. If you're in a, just any kind of normal league.
Starting point is 00:04:57 So estimate Pierce hall, Russell Wilson, Jamie, your top three. I'm going to go through your running backs with estimate Gus Edwards and Cam Akers. I have a different receiver. I would take Alec Pierce first if Michael Pittman's back injury is going to be a problem. And I would take Bo Nix over Russell Wilson for this week and for rest of season just based on matchups.
Starting point is 00:05:18 Yeah. So they both have great matchups this week. Bo Nix gets Atlanta five of the last six quarterbacks to face the Falcons have scored 21 or more fantasy points. Russell Wilson going up against Baltimore, five of the last six quarterbacks to face Baltimore have scored 24 or more fantasy points. Nix, I guess what you could say has a better long-term schedule as the Raiders after that.
Starting point is 00:05:40 Okay, so yeah, quarterback's pretty good this week. The tough part with quarterback is, you know, do you make a swap? Do you swap Aaron Rodgers for Bo Nix or Russell Wilson? You know, do you swap Matthew Stafford or Tua or something like that for those guys? You know, I don't know how you feel about that, but. Rogers Rogers, you can justify it because if you don't trust him against the Colts, I think it'll be okay against Colts. This is the type of defense that he's been picking apart. They have their bye next week, you know, so it's easy to say, okay, I want to pivot to somebody who's got just as good a matchup better situation and don't have to worry about a two weeks scenario of who do I find to replace Rogers next week. Okay.
Starting point is 00:06:20 Um, hey, one o'clock, what are you guys doing at one o'clock today? Hey, one o'clock, what are you guys doing at one o'clock today? Listening to you make up some stupid story about a game show that nobody, I mean everybody loves. Yeah. Who has more is the fun game that we play pretty much exclusively on CBS Sports Network Tuesdays at 1 p.m. Eastern, but that's just one segment. It's a waiver wire segment. It's a waiver wire show, so it's a little buy low, they'll sell high. It's a Waverwire segment. It's a Waverwire show. So it's a little buy low, little sell high.
Starting point is 00:06:46 It's a good show. 1 p.m. Eastern today, but we're also 1 p.m. Eastern on Wednesday and 1 p.m. Eastern on Friday. CBS Sports Network, check your local listings. And if you missed that, you can catch it on youtube.com slash fantasy football today. If you hit the videos tab, don't hit the live tab because we don't do it live.
Starting point is 00:07:02 Hit the video tab, youtube.com slash fantasy football today. Hopefully we'll see you on the network, 1 p.m. Eastern, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday every week. Sometimes the times change and I will alert you to that. I will also alert you to players who have good matchups, not just for this week. You can find players with one week of good matchups, but how about players with at least two weeks
Starting point is 00:07:20 of good matchups? Justin Herbert, if you have him, or if he might be available in some leagues, he gets the Bengals and then the Ravens and the Falcons in his next three games. Justin Herbert, woohoo! And that's also great news for Quentin Johnston, Ladd McConkie. Which Justin Herbert are we getting though? You would think that they'd have to throw more against the Bengals and the Ravens at
Starting point is 00:07:43 least in the next two weeks than they did last week against the Titans. Well, we're going to find out how good this defense is because they've been fantastic, but they've also played a lot of bad offenses. Yes, the Chargers, absolutely. One of the easiest schedules got to be in football so far in terms of just the offensive they faced. So, Herbert's got great matchups. Bo Nix, I mentioned Atlanta this week, and then Las Vegas, and then Jutavian Sanders has a bye this week, but he comes out of the bye and he faces two of the three worst teams. Actually, the only team worse than the two teams
Starting point is 00:08:16 that Jutavian Sanders will face after the bye against tight ends is Carolina. So he can't face them, but after the bye, he gets the Chiefs and the Bucks. They're 31st and 30th against tight ends. Few players with bad matchups in multiple weeks coming up. Gino Smith, San Francisco and Arizona.
Starting point is 00:08:34 I don't know if we're going to say they're terrible matchups, but they're not favorable. Jameis Winston, you know, the Saints are fifth against quarterbacks. Not sure if we actually buy it, but Jameis Winston has the Saints, then the Broncos, then the Steelers, then the Chiefs. And then I think you could say the same thing about the Cleveland wide receivers. Now the Saints are not good against wide receivers, but after that, the Broncos and the Steelers and the Chiefs,
Starting point is 00:08:57 not such great matchups for the Browns, which is tough, because we saw Cedric Tillman out there on waivers. Would he be, and he's what, Like 78% roster or something like that. So he's available in some leagues, you know, got dropped during the buy. He would be ahead of everyone? Yes. Is he that much better than Jerry, Judy and Elijah Moore?
Starting point is 00:09:15 Cause the targets are fairly similar. He's been more productive than Jerry, Judy and Elijah Moore. So if the targets are the same, why would you not take the guy who's producing at a higher level? I would, but is he that much better? I i think that's probably a fab question you know so would you you have to spend more fab to get tillman because everybody's gonna see what he's done and would want that more so than what judy has done and what elijah more has done more more is
Starting point is 00:09:36 tough to trust because he's just been getting opportunities just not producing at the same level the other two guys in the jamis winston starts you know tillman started to do it in the first game that Cooper missed. So, you know, you look at that and you say, okay, it's, it's, it's an Amari Cooper opportunity. So yeah, I would spend more for him, but in terms of what do I need for my team? If I, if I need to save some fab, I'll try and get Judy or more and just hope that they continue to get the targets and produce at a higher level.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Oh, sorry, Jamie. Uh, I'm not as interested in more short area target slot guy, full PPR only. Judy's been okay. And it's, it's a three game sample size with Tillman at least 18 PPR points in each game. Yeah. Seems to make plays after the catch. Good physical receiver, young, getting an opportunity. I would, I'd buy into that. Speaking of buying Dave, let's talk about fab real quick. But before that, buy or sell.
Starting point is 00:10:32 That was a horrible game last night. I mean, it was sloppy. There were a bunch of turnovers in the game, but it was entertaining. It was a let down. What a let down. Yeah, like we were expecting tons of touchdowns and it's like both offenses would drive and then there would either be a turnover or a field goal. So I feel like a preseason game. Did kind of feel that really, really stunk. All right. How much fab are we spending Dave on? It's fabs like, okay, look,
Starting point is 00:11:02 we're in week 11, right? Fabs an interesting question right now. But estimate and estimate we're out there, I guess, starting with him, you know, how much fab are we spending? It depends if you're desperate for a running back and you're somebody who's starting for an NFL team and even playing some third downs for them. I go like, what do you have left? Most of it, estimate would make sense to just kind of break the bank for depending on how desperate you were for a running back or if you were counting on a Broncos running back. So call it minimum 30%, but it could be maximum 100%
Starting point is 00:11:36 of what you've got left. Um, I don't know if there's anybody else that I'd even go more than like 15% on as far as the guys who are widely available that we talk about. Obviously there's exceptions. If you see Cedric Tillman, if you see Dobbs, for example, you'd spend up more for those guys. But like, I like Pierce Hall and we talked about the Browns, other receivers besides Tillman.
Starting point is 00:12:03 I don't know if I'm going more than 15% for any of those guys. Any disagreements, Jamie? No, I don't think it's a, it's a big fab week in terms of there's somebody that is an add and start rest of season difference maker right now, you know? So the thing that I think you want to do is case specific need to win. Got to get that guy to fill a starting spot. Okay, you're spending what you have to spend. But there's, you can make a case for about four
Starting point is 00:12:32 or five quarterbacks. You can make a case for a couple of tight ends. You can make a case for, you know, three or four receivers. You can make a case for two running backs that are going to be somewhat similar, you know? So I don't think it's, I'm targeting this guy because he's a starter right away and also start the rest of season. How good do you think Audrick estimate is going to be going forward?
Starting point is 00:12:51 He had 14 carries for 53 yards at Kansas City. He's played in six games, doesn't have a target so far, but he's, you know, he's only played a lot in one game and that was last week. And Sean Payton said he's going to continue to to get more reps he's got Atlanta and Las Vegas coming up Atlanta they don't give up a lot of touchdowns the running backs but that seems kind of fluky you can run on Atlanta Las Vegas is horrible so yeah just how good this playoff schedule kind of stinks for him other Colts is good but then the Chargers and the Bengals on the road but yeah like it's I don't want's, I don't wanna get too excited about a guy who's gonna get like, you know,
Starting point is 00:13:27 14 carries for 70 yards, but hardly ever score and get no catches. But how good do you think Estimé is gonna be? So you brought up a good point about the hardly ever score. I believe they have two rushing touchdowns from the running backs all season. It was Javante Williams in the Saints game, right? Wow. So. Wow So I'll check.
Starting point is 00:13:47 McLaughlin has caught a couple, but they just haven't run a lot of touchdowns in your, uh, now you missed one. So it's three for McLaughlin, three overall for the running backs, two for Williams, one from a Glock and four from Bo Nix. So that's what you're dealing with right now. Now you could say some of it is, I know there was the game, the Carolina game I think it was, where Gervonta didn't score.
Starting point is 00:14:10 He had a couple of where he fell down at the one, at least one time that I saw. So unlucky there, but you said it, no targets. That's not gonna change to where he's a heavily targeted guy. And this is one of those situations where the other two guys aren't hurt. So Gervonta is basically playing the passing down the role and McLaughlin is playing the
Starting point is 00:14:31 change of pace role. And so they're going to get some opportunities here and it could be one of those games where okay, SMA struggles on his first or second drive and the other guy gets hot on their opportunities and then SMA estimates not working very much. So I think you got to view him as a flex at best. He's better at nine and a half PPR than he is at full PPR. He's going to have to score some touchdowns along the way to justify starting him. But given the nature of what the running back position has been, so if you've been lucky
Starting point is 00:14:57 and nobody's gotten hurt, you don't need him. If you're stuck, like Dave said, if you need a Broncos running back or you're stuck because of bi-weeks, you're begging for somebody who's going to get maybe 15 total touches and the opportunity to face some of these defenses that he's facing. So it's, it's trap backy. It's it's, it's not going to be pretty, but you know, you, you might need those seven, eight fantasy points, however they're coming PPR, non PPR, you know, what he might give you just based on his rushing totals. He might give you a win in week 12 playing against Las Vegas six teams on by I mean
Starting point is 00:15:31 Here are the teams on by in week 12, Atlanta Buffalo Cincinnati Think about the running backs on just those three teams alone Atlanta Buffalo Cincinnati Jacksonville you might be looking for a running back even if Jacksonville was playing in week 12 New Orleans and the Jets a He might be looking for a running back, even if Jacksonville was playing in week 12, New Orleans and the jets, a lot of running backs on buying week 12. If my depth sucked at running back and estimate is sitting there and he's playing Vegas in week 12, I'm absolutely buying into his opportunity. And as for third downs, like he played just as many third downs as Givante last week. I don't know if that keeps up. I have no
Starting point is 00:16:05 idea. He wasn't a prolific pass catcher at Notre Dame. I think he had like 26 catches over three seasons at Notre Dame. It's not pretty, but he's a runner, and he's physical and he will get goal line opportunities, I would assume. And he right now it looks like he's got that chance in Denver to be the number one running back. All right, we're gonna take a break. I will ask you who to to be the number one running back. All right, we're going to take a break. I will ask you who to drop for Audric Estimé when we come back.
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Starting point is 00:17:00 notes. We'll update a lot of news actually to update you on here. Top three at each position. You know the drill the drill will be right back on fantasy football today All right, would you drop tank Bigsby for Audra guest to me? I would not like to but If bigsby's injury is going to linger we find out today that he's you know, gonna miss week 11 then that's an easy drop. Yes Yeah Okay, would you drop Devin Singletary? Easily. I wouldn't be surprised if Singletary starts the Giants next game to kind of punish Tyrone Tracy, but I think
Starting point is 00:17:35 that's a mirage. And you'll see Tracy be the lead back in New York. I would be very shocked if they didn't go the other way and start him on purpose to build them up. Would you rather have Tajay Spears or Audra Guestame? Either way, Tracy will play a lot. Estima over Spears. Yeah, I think there's just more upside there barring an injury. I feel like Spears was one of the guys that, yeah, he has terrible matchups the last two,
Starting point is 00:17:59 the next two games. I should have put him in the matchup alert column. He's got Minnesota. Terrible matchups are the games where game script could favor him? So yeah, but but like miss like he's not gonna run well. Well, he could. But Minnesota and Houston have very good run defense and the Texans are really good against pass catching running backs to that's his next two mattress, Minnesota and Houston. Yeah, those teams could put up some points and get him in the game more.
Starting point is 00:18:23 And that puts him on the field for more than half the snaps. And Mike give him a doorway to 10 plus PPR points. For what it's worth. He did average over six yards of carry against the Chargers. Yeah. And he has now scored in his last three healthy games, eight point one PPR points or more. So, you know, not the best flex, but not the worst. We can definitely drop Raheem Mostert. So I'll ask you
Starting point is 00:18:50 just a few wide receivers. It doesn't necessarily have to be for Audric Estimé, but would you drop Roma Dunze for your favorite waiver wire pickup? The only reason I'm hesitant, I didn't put the Bears receivers as ads or drops is I want to see if there's a coordinator change. I hope there is, you know, as of Monday, they hedged, Ibraflu's hedged a little bit about what he's going to do. Maybe we hear something Tuesday.
Starting point is 00:19:16 I would in a vacuum drop Onunze for him, but that could be one you regret. Could be. I don't know how they, they got to fix the offensive line before any of these receivers can have a shot to do anything good outside of like one fortuitous play. And he, and Ibrahim said that there would be some sort of change. He's really hinted that they're going to change play callers.
Starting point is 00:19:36 I don't know if that's any, I don't know how that's going to make things better for them. I really don't. Would you drop to Marcus Robinson? Yes. Yep. All right. Let's do some injuries, news and notes. Okay. We've got a lot of teams that might change quarterbacks. The Giants could change their quarterback coming out of a buy. They have, they did not commit to anyone. The Cowboys are sticking with Cooper Rush. They have Houston on Monday night. The Panthers
Starting point is 00:20:04 did not commit to a quarterback coming out of their buy. The Colts are sticking with Cooper Rush. They have Houston on Monday night. The Panthers did not commit to a quarterback coming out of there by. The Colts are sticking with Joe Flacco for now. They're at the Jets this week. All we know about Trevor Lawrence this week is that he's questionable. And all we know about the Bears, they are sticking with Caleb Williams,
Starting point is 00:20:16 but they are going to make some changes, as Jamie alluded to, some changes offensively. Could be a new play caller, we'll see. Running back, Brian. Also, we don't know the starter. Yep, the Raiders. We don't know who they will start. They are, they just had their buy and this week they are at Miami. So running back news, Brian Robinson Jr. was listed as limited. He plays Thursday at Philadelphia. Hopefully, he plays Thursday at Philadelphia. Tank Bigsby, he's got an injury, he left, came back, he left again.
Starting point is 00:20:45 Aaron Jones, so they're optimistic that Aaron Jones could play this week. He's not going to practice on Wednesday in all likelihood. He's got these injured ribs. So Cam Akers at Tennessee, not the easiest matchup, but he could get some work there. But you should be pretty cautious because they are optimistic about Jones playing this week. I haven't seen anything on Najee Harris, so I assume he's fine. And the Bengal sign running back, Gary Brightwell, I don't think that really matters. Still want Khalil Herbert as the handcuff, I would assume. Correct me if I'm wrong. If not, we'll move on. Yep. Well, I think, hold on, it's weird that they signed Brightwell. They tried out Leonard
Starting point is 00:21:19 Fornette just a week after trading for Khalil Herbert. So I don't know. There's something that they're trying to improve on in that running back room. John Harbaugh expects Deontay Johnson's workload to increase. Seattle head coach Mike McDonald expects DK Metcalf to practice on Wednesday. There was an article in the athletic from Michael Sean Dugger that says,
Starting point is 00:21:40 JSN will be more involved, but it was more based on the schemes that they will see. They were similar to what they saw last time they played when JSN in that huge game. Chris Olave is on IR, but has not been ruled out for the season. T Higgins is day to day. He's been day to day for like three weeks.
Starting point is 00:21:56 Keon Coleman is out this week against the Chiefs. Amari Cooper is improving. Tight end news, you got the Thursday game, Philadelphia at Washington and Dallas Goddard, and Devontae Smith for that matter. We're both listed as DNPs. I think we expect them to play. Dalton Kincaid though, not sure we expect him to play.
Starting point is 00:22:14 He's got knee injury, he gets that amazing matchup. Wait till you hear who Jamie's number one waver wire tight end is. If a lot of the guys in the shallower leagues are not available, it could be Dawson Knox. You just heard, I just spoiled Um, Sam Laporta left with a shoulder injury, so we prefer Dawson Knox to Brock right if we're going back up tight ends. But Laporta could play this week. They haven't ruled him out.
Starting point is 00:22:35 Right. Offensive line. We got the Jets with their left tackle getting an MRI for his neck. The Saints lost their left tackle. Don't know the severity there. The Colts. Same thing. The Saints lost their left tackle, don't know the severity there. The Colts, same thing. The Bears have almost no starting offensive lineman left. Tristan Wirfs, the right tackle, or the left tackle for the Bucks, he's got an MCL injury.
Starting point is 00:22:55 They have a bye, he could come back for the Giants game, but like I said yesterday, the Bucks have three straight buys. They have a bye week, then they're at the Giants, then they're at Carolina, so they don't need to rush Tristanwarves back. Buffalo right tackle Spencer Brown dealing with an ankle injury. I don't know when Jordan Myalotta is coming back, but Philadelphia designated left tackle Myalotta to return from IR. Maybe comes back this week, but that's
Starting point is 00:23:17 positive news. And Miami right tackle Austin Jackson is on IR. He did not play last night. He'll miss at least three more games. All right. Top three players at each position. Quarterback is pretty good this week. Jamie, who are the top three quarterbacks? I would go Bo Nix, but Bo Nix and Russell Wilson are somewhat interchangeable for this week given their matchups. But I do think Bo Nix has a better upcoming schedule. So if you want to look ahead, go that route and take Nix over
Starting point is 00:23:41 Wilson. The third quarterbacks, let me get there so I can get the exact guy I have in the column is James. Can I predict James? When I predict James Winston, I think he's going to do James Winston wonderful things against the Saints this week. Where are you going to get that right, Dave? I was not going to get that right. I was going to say Drake May. Drake may, another guy that I feel. Short week for the Rams. Yeah, you know what, like on paper, you know, they're not bad.
Starting point is 00:24:14 Then I know he does have a good schedule. I guess he's done with that. He has a great schedule. He's done with the bad schedule portion of his schedule. So Rams and Colts and then a bye and then the Cardinals for Drake may okay, so that's Nick's Wilson Winston Dave would go Wilson one then Nick's Yeah, I've got Wilson one next to me three. James kind of scares me
Starting point is 00:24:36 And I also think it could be a Nick Chubb game for the Browns and Winston might not have to do much against New Orleans But there is something that I need to point out with Russ. If you buy into the history of this series between the Steelers and the Ravens, then you should expect a knockdown drag out war without a lot of touchdowns. And that would be problematic for Russell Wilson. So if you think that this is, if, if just history is going to consume everything that goes on in this matchup and whatever the defenses look like coming to the games doesn't matter, then yeah, you should get bone next first. But I don't believe in that.
Starting point is 00:25:11 I think matchups are important and the Ravens pass defense is brutal right now. And Russ is playing great. So I've got Russ a notch ahead of bone next. I, um, you know, I've spent, I've said the word matchup probably the word of the day. Peewee Herman would be going crazy right now. If match it on every show. Yeah, I know. And I just thinking about it like matchups because I'm going to break it down big time tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:25:37 I'm doing my annual who has the best playoff schedule show tomorrow and the worst. The thing that I do every week on sports. But we'll talk about it together and come to a consensus. Dave always updates the schedules, but I'm just looking. Yeah, anyway, matchups matter less to me this year. I feel like than they have in the past. I feel like that's not a quarterback though. Quarterbacks exception,
Starting point is 00:25:59 quarterback 100% matchup matters. You got a big group of quarterbacks who probably are in the same group and then you just ranked them differently based on the matchups. But especially a wide receiver, I think. There just aren't that many good players. So I don't get too into the matchups.
Starting point is 00:26:15 If I have a guy I like, I don't know if you guys feel the same way, but I just felt like matchups don't matter as much this year as they have in the past to me. For teams or players? No, for player, for my fantasy lineups. I mean, so we got a good one this week with Drake London, right, so are you gonna start Drake London
Starting point is 00:26:32 or sit Drake London? Does he have the Broncos? Yep, yes. So that's the one, I'm probably gonna try to sit him, but you know, he'll be in the top 20, I would guess, but I would start like Joanne Jennings and Cortland Sutton, Calvin Ridley, like those types of players over him. If they don't have that, I don't know all the matchups yet. You guys are on that.
Starting point is 00:26:54 But, but I just think in general there, I think in general, there aren't that many good defenses. There aren't that many scary matchups to me. Uh, there are not that many defenses like that. You know, you can make the case like the chief's run defense is, is worth avoiding. Um, you know, you talked about the Vikings run defense and I think, um, I don't remember who else you were saying in terms of matchups. Uh, Baltimore's run defense has been good. You know, there's, there's clearly examples of it across the board where there's Philly's defense for example, is during the corner corner and is tough to trust players against.
Starting point is 00:27:26 But yes, nobody's benching Jayden Daniels because of Philadelphia's defense this week. I think you're going to continue to start him and just hope that his exceptional play will come through. So it depends. It's case by case. And I think in the way you framed it is we will sit here and say, start sit, matchups,
Starting point is 00:27:48 X, Y, and Z. And people don't have the luxury of sitting Drake London or DK Metcalf or the players that have faced Patrick Sertan, for example. So you play in three receiver leagues or two receivers in a flex and your receivers in your third and your flex as a receiver You're not sitting these players. You're just saying okay I hope that they have they have the Zay Flowers game, you know against against that defense, you know So it's just it's a matter of what your team looks like, you know, it's it's it's great in ten team leagues You know, you can you can sit Drake London for some of the receivers you named You could sit the running backs for the the guys that are on your bench that are in good spots.
Starting point is 00:28:25 12 team leagues and larger, you just don't have those luxuries. I'll tell you, I think McLaurin is someone that's, I'm looking forward to talking about that game tomorrow, but no team is doing better against wide receivers lately than the Eagles. No team has had a better defense than the Eagles in the last five games since they're by. New coordinator in Chicago.
Starting point is 00:28:42 Oh yeah? Oh, okay, that was fast. Shane Walters out. Okay. Thomas Brown. Did they need the new coordinator? Thomas Brown is expected to take over. That's what I thought it would be. Okay.
Starting point is 00:28:54 I would think that'll mean that they're going to try and just run the ball a little bit more and be a little more running back centric and keep it really simple with the passing game. This might open up cold commit a little bit. But I my guess is that they're just going to try and just like shorten the routes for these wide receivers and run the ball a little bit more. And that takes a little bit more pressure off of Kayla Williams. And honestly, as far as pass protection for the offensive line.
Starting point is 00:29:22 I think I mentioned this yesterday, but I wasn't sure. I think they at one point were without all five starting offensive linemen when Tevin Jenkins got hurt. So I think they went into the game with four backups. So it's hard to be a good coordinator with that situation, but hopefully things change a little bit for them. Okay. Sorry for the detour. The top quarterbacks were Bo Nix, Russell Wilson, and
Starting point is 00:29:43 Jamis Winston. We'll compare them. You know what? I do think we should compare them though to like Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford, to the shallow league quarterbacks. Or I'll just ask this. Are Bo Nix or Russell Wilson in your top 12 this week? Yes.
Starting point is 00:30:00 They are just outside. All right. Now let's go to the running backs. Dave, who are the top three running backs? SMA is number one for me. And then I put Tai-Jay Spears and Jerome Ford second and third, and both those guys are very, very basic. Not excited about them at all.
Starting point is 00:30:18 If you wanted to speculate on Cam Akers, if you wanted to speculate on one of the other lottery ticket running backs, I don't hate the idea. with acres, obviously being at the top of the list, cause we just don't know what's going to happen with Aaron Jones. Jones might play Jones might get hurt and acres could be the one that ends up leading this Vikings run game. That's something that's kind of exciting, but to me it's SMA. And then just like, Oh, a hodgepodge of mediocrity and lottery tickets. There you go, Adam, do it. You know, see, look at my arm, Dave. I've been doing this for the last 30 seconds. and then just like a hodgepodge of mediocrity and lottery tickets.
Starting point is 00:30:45 There you go, Adam. Do it. You know, see, look at my arm, Dave. I've been doing this for the last 30 seconds. I don't know what you're doing. I'm honking the bus horn. What about Gus? What about Gus Edwards? I just, I don't want to buy into Gus Edwards as being like a lead back for the Chargers. I'm not sure how to read what happened last week. If Gus Edwards continues to do this, and you have the bonus of what happens to J.K. Dobbins,
Starting point is 00:31:09 he might be the number one running back to that. Sure, that's a fair point to say, but I also know that he's one of the older backs in the league. Earlier this year, he looked terrible. He had fresh legs coming into this game last week, and I still think he's gonna end up sharing Yeah, we should add him to the list. I know you did Jamie. I did not but he should be added to my list anyway
Starting point is 00:31:34 My arm is actually tired from that All right estimate Ajay Spears Cam acres will be you know someone to remember to consider obviously he'd be higher if we thought Jones were gonna miss the game Dave said Jerome Ford and we'll throw Gus Edwards in there. It's always a good time to get some handcuffs. Jamie, who are the top wide receivers to get? So you can you can say both Colts receivers, Alec Pierce and Adonai Mitchell. I would give the nod to Pierce. Still had more targets and clearly we've seen the upside of what he can be. And I think it's a good situation for him if Michael Pittman is going to be out. Jerry Judy would be second just given the numbers that he's posted in the two games with Jameis Winston and again no Amari Cooper. So that target share is probably
Starting point is 00:32:15 not going to change. Elijah Moore like you know Dave alluded to is not going to take away from Judy and you know their kind of kind of roles are defined but Judy's been productive 12 plus PPR points in back to back games and then Ricky Pierce all would be third for me I just don't think in this crowded offense He's going to get consistent enough targets and consists in enough production and you take away the big touchdown And I don't think we're really excited about Ricky Pierce all at all I'm not excited about any of these guys That's part of my problem with receiver this week so I kind of just boiled it down to,
Starting point is 00:32:48 Pearsall is explosive and I like his quarterback and I like his offense, and it's legitimately the only reason why he's at the top of my list. With Judy, I don't love trusting Jerry Judy. I recognize that he's put up decent PPR points each of his last two games, but he's technically in a crowded offense. The Colts receivers. Listen, I've loved out here since I laid eyes on him when he was in college and he's, he's a talented receiver, but I don't know how often he's going to be able
Starting point is 00:33:17 to make big plays. Mitchell saw an uptick in playing time. I believe he ran the same. I think he had the same route rate as downs last week. So Mitchell got an opportunity and I think he had the same route rate as downs last week. So Mitchell got an opportunity and I think he did okay. But what happens when Anthony Richardson comes back? And so are we looking at these guys as rest of season flexes, bi-week replacements? Are we talking
Starting point is 00:33:35 about guys that are lottery tickets at wide receiver? And I think we kind of need to think through this list a little bit more. Maybe I'm the one that needs to think through this list a little bit more. but there isn't anybody here that I just think is an easy slam dunk as the number one guy to add. I would say that, you know, just thinking about all of our three receiver leagues
Starting point is 00:33:54 and leagues where I'm starting, you know, last week I started Wondell Robinson and Josh Palmer, cause four teams on by and injuries and all that stuff. I would love to start Alec Pierce or Jerry Judy this week in a desperation sort of, I wouldn't even call it desperation, just as a top 36 wide receiver. If Pittman's out, Pierce is a top 30 receiver.
Starting point is 00:34:15 Yeah, Pittman being out obviously matters. Yeah, that's the huge part of it. I mean, Pittman's gotta be out. You can't trust these guys if Pittman plays. But Judy, I mean, I mentioned this two weeks ago. So it was like a three week stretch or maybe a four, whatever, I think three or three weeks stretch, I think. Yeah, three weeks stretch going into their buy.
Starting point is 00:34:30 You looked at the top five players in routes run from weeks seven through nine. And it was- Three Browns. Four Cleveland Browns. It was three receivers plus Najoku and Kaishan Booty. So they're in three receiver sets all the time. They're throwing the ball all the time. And these guys are getting all three of them are getting like eight or more
Starting point is 00:34:48 targets every game basically. So what Judy had six in week seven, but then eight, then 11, Elijah Moore had six, 12 and nine. They're averaging eight or more. So there's appeal there. All right. And okay. Okay. Great. I've said my piece. Who are the top tight ends, Dave? All right. And, uh, okay. Okay. Great. I've said my piece. Uh, who are the top tight ends, Dave? Dawson Knox is the best one that's widely available. I would encourage everybody to just double check to see if one of Mike Kosicki, Tucker craft, Taysom Hill, Hunter Henry are available just because I think that those guys might have some good long-term appeal. Maybe not Kosicki. He's obviously tied to T Higgins, but you get it. These are players
Starting point is 00:35:24 that have scored touchdowns. They've been important parts to their offense at different points during the season. But if there's no Dalton Kincade and there's no Keon Coleman and Amari Cooper's beat up and the Bills are playing Kansas city and the chiefs have allowed a ton of fantasy points to tight ends, Dawson Knox makes all the sense in the world. And there really isn't a great number two tight end.
Starting point is 00:35:43 In my opinion, there's John who Smith, there's Will Disley, there's Brock Wright, who could be a decent play. If Sam Laporte is out for Detroit and there's Fryermuth in that matchup against Baltimore, that's not a bad matchup for him. But to me, it's Dawson Knox is the top tight end. And maybe somebody we should have mentioned as a top three overall.
Starting point is 00:36:02 Yeah, 3% Dawson Knox, 3% loss at Knox 3% roster. Friar Muth is to me like equally appealing. You know, the last five tight ends against Baltimore, they've just crushed them. Earth said 68 yards on 100 yards and the joke was 61 yards in a touchdown. Troutman was bad. Because Siki was disappointing, but Tanner Hudson had 42 yards in a touchdown. So those are pretty interesting options this week in Knox and Freyermuth. And then the question is, do you go with them over someone like Dallas Goddard, who's 73% rostered, over Zach Ertz, who's 73% rostered?
Starting point is 00:36:40 Those two guys are playing Thursday. Would you take Knox and or Fryermuth over the Thursday guys? Knox, yes. If King K does not practice for two days, Fryermuth, no, no matter what. Okay. So, so Knox is clearly
Starting point is 00:36:59 I go Fryermuth or Kurtz. Revenge game for him. Hey. For Kurtz, sure. Kurtz has gotten eight plus for him. Hey, for sure. Kurtz. Kurtz has gotten eight plus targets in two of three games. The one time he didn't was the two weeks ago who they played the Giants who have been really good against that. Sure. So he would have to have another great game against a team that's been awesome against tight ends. Philly hasn't allowed more than nine half PPR points to a tight end. Yeah. But part of that though is, is uh, volume and how much they'll be throwing in this game. They're not, they're not going to run on Philadelphia.
Starting point is 00:37:35 I don't think they will either, but I'm not sure if Ertz is going to be more than just like emergency guy middle of the field, kind of like he was last week. emergency guy middle of the field, kind of like he was last week. All right. Jamie DSTs. DSTs. We have, uh, the Texans. They're just on the threshold taking on Cooper rush Packers against that bears offensive line, the Browns against the saints.
Starting point is 00:37:56 I don't buy what the saints did last week as being anything sustainable. The dolphins against who knows the, who knows, who is the quarterback for the Raiders and the Rams, uh, don't love love them as much but taking on the Patriots. And Houston, they have Dallas, then they have Tennessee, then they're at Jacksonville. So you could get a few weeks out of them. Who are the kickers, Jamie? Brandon McManus taking on the Bears, John Parker Romo taking on the Titans, Josh Cardy coming off his field goalfest against
Starting point is 00:38:23 the Patriots. Jason Myers, who's just been a consistent kicker against the 49ers and Jake Bates against the Jaguars. I would take a look just for IDP. Tyrell Dotson, the Seahawks waved him and he's their leading tackler. So two guys, according to the ESPN article I read that could replace him are Drake Thomas and Tyrese Wright. But when you get a linebacker who goes out, sometimes you get a lot of production from the backup. Like you look at the Jets situation, the guy who's replaced CJ Mosley,
Starting point is 00:38:52 I'm sure he's already added him mostly, he's been really good. So, you know, just take a look at that. Again, the names are Drake Thomas and Tyrese Knight for Seattle. Just kind of maybe do a little research there. Obviously, I'm not a huge IDP guy, but could be something there. Take a break, shallow leagues, deep leagues, Monday night football, bleh.
Starting point is 00:39:12 And more waiver wire when we come back. Well, Jamie, I only play in the shallowest of leagues. I don't bother with Dawson Knox or Jerry Judy. Who should I be picking up instead of these scrubs? Let's see, we'll go to quarterbacks first. We can go with Stafford who hopefully will play better than he did last night taking on the Patriots. Justin Herbert, who hopefully will throw more
Starting point is 00:39:40 than 18 passes. Do you still have faith in Stafford? Who will hopefully play better against the Raiders. Do you still have, I'm sorry, do you still have faith in Stafford? He play better against the Raiders. Do you still have, I'm sorry, do you still have faith in Stafford? He's been like pretty crappy the last two weeks. I'm gonna throw out two weeks ago because of Puka's injury, excuse me, ejection.
Starting point is 00:39:53 Puncha? Puncha Nakua. Yeah, I mean, look, he hits Kyron on the route there. Yeah, then we have like 16 points. Right. But we would have felt better about it though. We have like 16 points. Right. But we would have felt better about it though. We would have. It was definitely ugly.
Starting point is 00:40:10 And his upcoming schedule isn't great. But yes, I still have faith in him. I don't think he's, you know, I like to do my quarterback rankings Sunday afternoon just to see what happens Sunday evening. And he was top 10 originally, and now he's outside the top 12. So He's not a slam dunk. But again, you know when we're comparing him to you know, you get past Bo Nix and Russell Wilson You know him versus Jamis. You could certainly have a good argument of who's gonna be better or Drake May who's gonna be better. So
Starting point is 00:40:40 He's still in the conversation. Gino is still in the conversation tough matchup like you said against San Francisco but he's still averaging 38 pass attempts per game and he's getting DK Metcalf back. And Roger's taking on the Colts is not something that I would worry about. Okay, if there were a prize there between Herbert, Gino, Stafford, Tua, Rogers, who would it be?
Starting point is 00:41:00 Herbert. Okay. Yeah. Shallow League running backs, anyone appealing? Is there anyone appealing? Yes, of course there is. There are more handcuffs. So Jonathan Brooks now is viewed as a handcuff as opposed to replacement. But Miles Sanders is probably going to miss some time seeing a foot specialist. Tyler Algier, Ray Davis, Jalen Warren, and Braylon Allen. Outside of Warren, these guys are all
Starting point is 00:41:24 potential lottery tickets, you know, so we Warren, and Braylon Allen. Outside of Warren, these guys are all potential lottery tickets, you know, so we're sitting here telling you to pick up some of these other guys that if there's an injury occurs, then you're gonna love their setup. It's the same thing with, I think, Brooks, Algear, Davis, and Braylon Allen. And for Jalen Warren, it sucks that he had the fumble there because it looked like he was about to take over the job
Starting point is 00:41:41 without that game was unfolding. 12 carries for 66 yards, two catches, 29 yards, like see a little bit more work in the passing game for him. But to see him get you know, 14 total touches and you know, look explosive with it. I would I would like that on my team if they don't punish him for the fumble. Between between Warren Spears, estimate and Edwards. It's It's not like for all I know, those guys aren't available in your leagues, I don't know, but they are available in a decent amount of leagues. At least these are guys who are getting touches, right? I mean, these
Starting point is 00:42:13 are guys who have a chance to give you something and are involved in the regular offense. And they also have handcuff appeals. So it's not so bad this week at running back, even though we really don't have any injuries, knock on wood. All right, wide receivers. Wide receivers you have, so I adjusted this based on the list as we talked about with some of the percentages. So Joanne Jennings is still in this range.
Starting point is 00:42:34 She's at 81% roster. Cedric Tillman's at 78% roster, I believe. Those two would be immediate ads if they're available. Jacobi Myers is at 85% if people dropped him going into his bye week. He could be available some 10 team leagues and then Romeo Dobbs, I think is still worth buying into. I know he didn't have a good game last time he saw him, but Jordan Love was gimping around with a groin injury.
Starting point is 00:42:55 He's at 76%. Tight ends. Tight ends a lot of, a lot of tight ends in the 70 ish percent range. Yep. So you have Tucker Kraft who has scored a touchdown in four of six games with Jordan love since he came back from his initial injury. Mike Kasecki is obviously tied to T Higgins. I'm still going to look at Taysom Hill as a potential starter, taking on the Browns given his role. Zach Ertz I think is going to see in the neighborhood of
Starting point is 00:43:24 eight targets again. So I don't mind him even in a tough matchup and in deeper leagues. Dallas Goddard has just been productive in almost every game he's played this season a lot of it has been injuries but now Devontae Smith has banged up so I don't have a problem with him. And then Hunter Henry first down game with Drake May only 4.2 PPR points but I still think that had a lot to do with how the game was unfolding they're probably gonna shoot out or chasing points against the Rams so I think Hunter Henry's numbers bounce back. Okay and Dave none of these you know none of these guys are a little bit of a... actually there was a comment about what I
Starting point is 00:43:57 sound like it was pretty funny said the deep league guy is a gold prospector and the shallow league guy is Jason Alexander. Is that who that sounded like? Jason Alexander? I don't know. They know who Jason Alexander is if they think that that's Jason Alexander. But none of these guys are available in my league, Dave. Don't waste my time.
Starting point is 00:44:18 Who should I get? All right, gold prospector. Let's start with Jameis Winston, 80% available, has New Orleans, has upside. You know the deal with him. After that, unless we're counting Joe Flacco, we are looking at Will Levis, Cooper Rush, Mac Jones, insert Raiders quarterback here. It's not pretty.
Starting point is 00:44:36 At running back, fortunately, two of the names that we've already talked about are widely available. Estimate 85% available. Gus Edwards, 82% available. When I look down at the list of running backs that are good handcuffs, they're all in the two thirds or better range. So Akers, Jalen Wright, Blake Horm, Trey Benson, Jaleel McLaughlin, Keaton Mitchell's 81% available. Khalil Herbert, Ike Garendo, those guys are available in two thirds of leagues. I don't
Starting point is 00:45:02 even want to talk about guys like, like mega desperation, some Ajay P Ryan, Daria Gumbel, Wale, Ty Johnson, Cordero Patterson. Uh, I can't recommend them as starts unless you're in like the deepest of deep leagues receiver. Uh, add nine Mitchell, 91% available. John Metchi, 97% available. Those are the headliners. Mike Williams, I think is worth a stash at 81%
Starting point is 00:45:25 available. It's not because he caught a touchdown last week. It's because I think his opportunities will continue to grow in that offense. And again, Desperate and wide receiver, Mack Hollins, MVS, Nick Westbrook, Akina, they're all kind of the same guy. They're all skinny, downfield, boom bust types of receivers. Okay. As like bi-week replacements and deep leagues, nobody that you should really count on, like you don't go chasing MBS and what he did on three targets last week, uh, particularly against Cleveland this coming week is as a bi-week guy. You want to throw a dart at and be my guest.
Starting point is 00:45:59 And then Dawson knocks 97% available at tight end. Uh, I would go with Dallas Goddard. I like Goddard's matchup more than I do Dawson Knox's, but he would be first, Disley would be second, Brock Wright would be third at tight end. And don't forget, sorry if you said this, but you guys like Desmond Ritter, you've got Drew Locke or Tommy DeVito.
Starting point is 00:46:19 If you're in a deep super flex league or not even that deep of super, and now look, I would probably rather start like a wide receiver over those guys, but they could, and Mac Jones too, these are guys who could be starting quarterbacks. So it's a great point about what to do if you don't have a quarterback in that spot.
Starting point is 00:46:36 Now they obviously have more upside, just if they throw one touchdown and then whatever yards they give you, they're gonna be probably in the 15 point range on a good day for some of those guys. And it's six point per passing league. Right. Still better potential than some of these other, if you're starting MVS, for example,
Starting point is 00:46:55 coming off that you're chasing points by comparison to starting one of these quarterbacks. But we did just see Cooper Rush have, I think it was five points. Mack Jones was around five points. Like they do stink for a reason. And you could be left with just absolute trash in those spots. Okay. Hey, I meant to ask you, Jamie, when you were talking about the shallow league guys, would you drop Jonathan Brooks for Audre Guestamé? Yeah, I think you have to, you know, just given the setup of what both players are looking
Starting point is 00:47:27 at. Oh, Jonathan Brooks. I feel bad for anyone who didn't have an IR spot and kept him this long. You know, that's one of my leagues, literally one of my leagues. You know, though, there was a brief moment in that game in Germany where Miles Sanders was out and Hubbard fumbled and looked like he was hurt. Yeah. And then it was like, okay, what happens coming out there by week? Like there's still a scenario where he's a he's a
Starting point is 00:47:54 difference maker for you. Again, you just put him in, you know, he goes from, okay, maybe taking the job, maybe being a factor to now he's a lottery ticket, you know, so I still want to roster that if I can. Okay, fellas, let's, oh, let's talk about last night's stupid game. You know, it's a little personal to me because I just, I had a lot of matchups on the line last night, and I think I benefited
Starting point is 00:48:20 in two of them from the low scoring game, and I lost in two of them for the low, so whatever. But I just was hoping for like a real fun shootout and it just didn't happen. But yeah, I don't know. What are your thoughts on Tyreek Hill, right? 82% started, he played most of the snaps, he had four targets, three catches for 16 yards
Starting point is 00:48:40 and the touchdown, thank goodness he caught that touchdown. And yeah, he's got this torn wrist ligament and might need surgery. Uh oh, is this someone that we should be trying to offload as quickly as possible? Who's trading high end value for him right now though? Would you take Joann Jennings for Tyreek Hill? No. But you had to think about it. Would you take Darnell Mooney for Tyreek Hill? No. But you had to think about it.
Starting point is 00:49:07 Would you take Darnell Mooney for Tyreek Hill? No. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. You're wrong. It's been eight weeks since he's had more than 15 PPR points in a game. Tyreek Hill. Yeah. It's week one, right?
Starting point is 00:49:25 Yeah. Week one. And then I think that that's when the wrist came into play was that game. So there's been a couple of games where he's had more than eight targets. You know, he had a 10 target game, he had a nine target game. I've got the box score open on my screen. I just wanted to make sure that I was right on that PPR message. But man, there's no way anybody should view them
Starting point is 00:49:45 as anything more than like a low end number two wide receiver who's like maybe a partial decoy like is his job just to try and drag two defenders downfield with them to open things up underneath for well waddle in theory, but also John new Smith now and Odell Beckham and the running backs. I I'd be very skeptical that all of a sudden Tyree Kill is going to break out and have a monster game. But that being said, they are playing Vegas this coming week. That's a really favorable matchup across the board. And you could see Tyree Kill finally cross over to 15 PPR points in that game. But I think he's a number two receiver at
Starting point is 00:50:20 best. They have, they have some winnable games left. They're, they're three and six. I think they're a game and a half out of the last playoff spot. But if they lose one of the next two games to like Las Vegas or New England, this is the same. It's basically the CD lamb argument. Right. It's like they could easily shut them down. I mean, he's, right. So this is a guy that on a bad team, but I don't think they're that bad. And I do think they can make a little bit of a run here, but they're also pretty close to being out of playoff contention.
Starting point is 00:50:50 So it's just something to consider. The last spot is still wide open. And the broadcast was talking about how they remained optimistic that they still have a chance. And yes, obviously they can't afford losses, but I don't think they're going to be completely out of it. Let's say they get upset by the Raiders. So could he shut it down? Sure. No, I'm not saying they're going to completely out of it. Let's say they get upset by the Raiders. So could he shut it down?
Starting point is 00:51:06 Sure. No, I'm not saying they're gonna shut down next week if they lose I'm just saying that a team that's three and six with a guy who's playing through with a torn ligament in his wrist You know, you could see them. It's realistic right to see them shutting him down Yeah, but I don't think that happens until maybe one of the last two games of the season because even if there's You know four games left in the year and they're mathematically eliminated, they just go on a terrible losing streak, whatever, Tyree is still going to want to play. So I just, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:51:34 I think you have to keep that in the back of your mind. If you have Tyree on your team or if you acquire Tyree kill on a dirt cheap basis, but it's clear he's not the same guy. The wrist appears to be part of the problem. I mean, you should be trying to sell him if you can, but don't sell him for Jawan Jennings or Darnell Mooney at this point. Would you sell him for Malik Neighbors?
Starting point is 00:51:54 I do, you would absolutely take Darnell Mooney for Tyree Kill at this point. Oh, Dave would take him. I would not. Mooney, yes. I would not. So Neighbors, Schaefer wanted me to ask neighbors or or Tyra Hill. I think it's a good question.
Starting point is 00:52:08 Neighbors that I would do. The other problem is that two is throwing the ball five yards down the field. It's pathetic. They have absolutely no explosive passing game. They're just Devon H and is there is their top receiver. It's really frustrating. They're just not not pushing the ball downfield at all. He's at the lowest air yards per pass attempt in the NFL. On the other side of the ball. I think you're just going to keep starting Cooper Cup and Pukin Akua. Kyron Williams has been a little bit disappointing lately, but he still gets a ton of he had five catches,
Starting point is 00:52:37 but he still gets a ton of touches. So those guys are starts. 94% of the snaps. Yeah. So it's, it is what it is, but you're fine there. All right, let's go to the drop oh meter. Also, he mostard is, yeah, being he might end up being like third string for the dolphins. Like Jalen Wright might end up getting more opportunities. He didn't do anything to help himself. He got he got the role. But five carries for three yards is not going to necessarily say oh, wow, he didn't have good vision on a lot of his runs. We have to bench both. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:09 Yeah. Oh, and by the way, Jamie took a little shot at my IDP team earlier in the week. Oh, you beat me, but my team's still better. Jay, my team is so much better than Adam's and I'm three and I'm two and six and one. And now you're two seven and one. Not because of Tyreek, not because of Kyron Williams, but because of Colby Turner, Colby Turner last night for the Rams getting me 10 and a half points. That's a, that's going to be one of those teams that look back on and how did I not do
Starting point is 00:53:37 better? I mean, just every week, somebody just complete like Jared Goff, five interceptions. Like how's that happen? You got, you got 30 open team. You got 35 points from golf Gibbs and Breeze hall. Yeah. That's, uh, I got 33 points from Jalen hurts. That's fantasy football. Yeah. All right, fellas. Let's do the drop. Oh, by the way, we gotta give Dan his credit. He won in the magazine league. No way.
Starting point is 00:54:03 What a night. He got his win. Oh, that's great. Who's gonna be me? I will not say. Oh. It didn't be me. It wasn't me, was it? No.
Starting point is 00:54:13 No one that's on our show, but I don't wanna embarrass anybody. No, you just embarrassed Dan for being one and nine. Okay, I'm sorry. All right, drop O meter, Brian. It can't be too many in upper management that we don't wanna embarrass. Ah, okay, Brian Thomas Jr.
Starting point is 00:54:25 Can't embarrass the boss. No, don't drop it. No, zero. All right. We're pulling dropometer. Yeah. Zero. Xavier Worthy.
Starting point is 00:54:35 Two. Eight. All right, that equals a 10. Jamie's still hanging on to Xavier Worthy. Okay. I want to see what he does this week in the trade gate. You You know, that's the team that traded away. Oh yeah. I don't see how you can have any confidence starting him. I have no confidence in him, but if he has a good game against the Bills, I don't want to have somebody else pick him up. Then they have Carolina, Las
Starting point is 00:54:55 Vegas after that. DJ Moore, drop a meter. Zero. Four. Jake Ferguson. 2. 3. Would you drop Jake Ferguson for Dawson Knox? If I need to win this week, yes. I would have to know for sure that Dalton Kincaid is out before I do such a thing. So here's what I might do if I'm in a league that starts kickers. I'll drop my kicker, pick up Knox, have an illegal roster. And then once I know the deal with Dalton Kincade, if Kincade's in, I drop Knox, pick up a kicker. If Kincade's out, I start Knox, I drop Ferguson, pick up a kicker. I think when you look at Brian Thomas and CD Lam,
Starting point is 00:55:39 you probably got the very worst versions of Mack Jones and Cooper Rush, right? It's not going to be good, but it should be better than that. I just really hope they don't go to Tray Lance. In the case of Cooper Rush, sure, because you could have made the case that CD should have caught that touchdown that he lost in the sun. Rush threw a good ball, but even if he catches it, he's got like 15.5 PPR points. I know, but- Not the same CD lamb that we had last year. Oh, well, that goes without saying.
Starting point is 00:56:10 I'm just saying that, well, Cooper Rush, Cooper, do you know how many yards he threw for? Does everybody know his stats? He threw 23- I mean, I can look it up. No, he threw 23 passes for 45 yards. He had one of the worst games in football history, Cooper Rush. So that's not an exaggeration. That's one of the worst yards per attempt.
Starting point is 00:56:33 Tray Lance doesn't know the playbook. I think they only have a certain package of plays for Lance. But he's not ready. I'm saying like that Cooper Rush is not is not going to be historically bad. And the Jaguars had the ball for 17 and a half minutes. So that's not gonna like things will get a little bit better. Did you see by the way, the stupidity of what happened with the Cowboys? I mean, I don't know. The the curtains about not the sun and all that. Yeah. And then what happened
Starting point is 00:57:01 to Mike McCarthy's press conference? That I- Oh, yeah. They had a sunblocker at his press conference. They had a sunblocker at his press conference so that he wouldn't have the sun in his eyes while he was talking to me. Oh my gosh, man. Jerry Jones is like, why don't we just tear down the whole building and build a new one? It's like, dude, just put the curtains up, man. What's with you?
Starting point is 00:57:22 Just call Budget Blinds. They'll come out. They'll give you a free estimate. Can't they just close them when they're in that end zone and then open them when the other team is? There you go. All right, waiver wire. So the quarterbacks,
Starting point is 00:57:36 we like Justin Herbert in the shallow leagues, if you can get them. There's also Stafford Tuah, Geno Smith and Aaron Rodgers. But Bo Nix, all right, Bo Nix or Geno this week? Bo. Russell Wilson or Geno Smith and Aaron Rodgers, but Bo Nix. All right, Bo Nix or Geno this week? Bo. Russell Wilson or Geno this week? Wilson. Russell Wilson, Bo Nix or Tua this week?
Starting point is 00:57:53 Nix and Wilson. Wilson, Nix, Tua, Tunga, Velua. Oh, he's playing the Raiders, man. I would expect him to have a big game. I don't know if I can count on that. Bo Nix, Russell Wilson or Justin Herbert this week. Herbie, uh, Nixon Wilson. All right. There's Jamis Winston Jamis Winston over under 18 fantasy points at the Saints.
Starting point is 00:58:20 Over under Joe Flacco, Joe Flacco threw for 272 yards against the bills. You know, the interceptions are terrible, but he can get the ball downfield. He's at the jets this week. against the Bills. You know, the interceptions are terrible, but he can get the ball downfield. He's at the Jets this week. We know they're kind of, you know, paper Tigers. Will Levis facing Minnesota. Minnesota is actually pretty good against quarterbacks. Will Levis coming off a good game. Something to keep an eye on with Levis. Is his schedule great. After this, yeah, at Houston, at Washington, Jacksonville, Cincinnati. Yeah, it is great. Yeah, great. He's a great 2QB Super Flex ad, if he's available. He's only 11% rostered. So there's gonna be leagues.
Starting point is 00:58:53 I know a league I play on, Sleeper Super Flex league. He was available going into last week. I'm assuming he's still available. So that's one where I don't mind stashing him just to see if he has a decent game against Minnesota. Then, Hey, why not? And I think he he's at the point and the Titans are at that point in the season where he would have to really stink it up in order to get benched again. Like they let him play out the rest of the year, see if he improves at all.
Starting point is 00:59:19 All right. Let's go to the running backs. A lot of handcuffs out there, but I don't think I compared Jalen Warren to Audrick Estime because he's just above the threshold of 65%. Warren, 66%. Who would you guys rather have, Warren or Estime? Estime. I'd rather have Estime, but we're sitting here praising a guy
Starting point is 00:59:40 for 14 carries for 53 yards. Best run defense in footballer he did face. Agreed. Matchup was great. He still has two guys on his team that are healthy. He doesn't have a target all season. Warren playing in tandem with the guy who we know has had a hard time being consistent. He's done a great job this season, but it's a hard time being
Starting point is 00:59:59 consistent and just had 12 carries for 66 yards. I'm telling you, if he didn't fumble, he may have started to eat into Najee's workload a little bit more. He still might. And you're getting the passing downs where he's going, he's going to be a better start more times than not than estimate. In PPR, right?
Starting point is 01:00:16 In PPR. But the thing about Warren, he's not really getting that many targets. He has two to three targets in every game, but one this season, I think he left that one in early. And he has no more than three targets. I did want to point that out about Warren. He's not playing that role that he used to play. They just don't throw. Wilson's just not throwing to him as much. That's partially the Russ thing and partially just the way that that offense is operating. And we've got a year and a half of waiting for Jalen Warren to overtake Najee Harrison.
Starting point is 01:00:44 Just hasn't happened. Well, he was better inlen Warren to overtake Najee Harrison just hasn't happened. Well, he was better in PPR last year than Najee. Yeah, they were about the same. He was better by like a tenth of a point on average. That's fair. All right. So estimate Gus Edwards, Cam Akers. Aaron Jones were out this week. Would Cam Akers crack the top 24? Absolutely. All right. I mean, Tennessee's got a really good run defense. They give up touchdowns. Akers stinks. Like we know this. He lost his job in he was like he had a Goomba while late in Houston. So I wouldn't want to buy too much into it if he got the chance. But I understand you'd be some people were like, Oh, yeah, I mean, I started,
Starting point is 01:01:24 I started Chris Rodriguez in the league last week. I'd kill for Cam Akers and then Tajay Spears and then a bunch of handcuffs and wide receivers. I got the Browns guys, Tillman would be the prize. Would you rather have Romeo Dobbs or Alec Pierce? Dobbs. If Pittman is Adam starting Pierce this week Romeo Dobbs or Alec Pierce? Dobbs. If Pittman is out, I'm starting Pierce this week over Dobbs.
Starting point is 01:01:48 I'm thinking rest of season. Rest of season Dobbs. Okay. And then there's Jerry Judy. Would you rather have Jerry Judy or Adonai Mitchell? Judy. Judy's the safer of the two. Dave kind of likes Ricky Pearsall.
Starting point is 01:02:07 And there's like Ricky Pearsall. There's no kind about it. As a fantasy, opposite talent, I like him a lot as a fantasy receiver. I think you could use him as a number three, but you can rewind 25 minutes ago and I'll tell you why. Yeah, I explained why Pearsall was at the top of my list. I was thinking about it. Pearsall could be fifth on the team in targets.
Starting point is 01:02:27 However, he could be within like two targets of the target leader, right? You know, they could just spread it around so much. Xavier Liggett, I got a little diss, so he just doesn't get that many targets. Or it was one game with more than 40 yards this year, I think. And he's in a bye and schedules. And then he goes to Kansas City. There's Christian Watson. Maybe he can get something going.
Starting point is 01:02:48 DiMario Douglas. If they have to throw more, he could be good. What about K. Sean Booty? Any interest in him? Deeperleaks. He's literally the last name on my wide receiver list. What about Rashad Bateman coming off a big game, 37% rostered? You know- Right after the group we just showed.
Starting point is 01:03:06 Yeah, I agree. But you've got to kind of couch him as a boom bust type of flex who doesn't get a ton of volume from week to week. And then there's John Metsch. Then there's a few guys who had big games last week. John Metsch, Mike Williams, who had one catch, 32 yard touchdown for the Steelers and Mack Hollins who had 86 yards for the Steelers and Mac Collins who had 86 yards for the Bills and we know they're injured.
Starting point is 01:03:27 Dave, thoughts on Metchi, Mike Williams, Mac Collins. I want to make sure I get this right. I know for a fact that Metchi played a ton in the slot last week. 71% route rate was third best among Texans wide receivers, six targets, five catches, 74 yards touchdown. Um, and, uh, and I believe a short area guy, no, he actually had a high a dot because of that one big catch yet. That's why, um, I'm intrigued by Metchi. I remember loving them at Alabama.
Starting point is 01:03:56 Uh, then he went through the whole cancer issue, came out of it, the other side. And he's great. Could he end up having a role rusts of season as the slot guy, but the number three receiver in Houston? And I think the answer to that question is yes, but it's with an asterisk because I don't know how often he's gonna get 6-7 targets in a game. He might be someone that gets three targets in a game I'm excited as long as Nico's out. We think Nico will be back this week We said that last week and he didn't play but met she's someone who I think is gonna get a role in Houston
Starting point is 01:04:26 It's just a matter of how much will he get with it and then keep an eye on Noah Brown Noah Brown has Six or more targets in five of his four of his last five games. It's six to eight targets. He's been okay This is no Brown of Washington. So he's 35% rostered This is Noah Brown of Washington. So he's 35% rostered. Devon Vailay is another guy and then MBS, you know, whatever, well, I don't think anyone's. Jermaine Byrne is a stash if you're in the deepest of leagues. But again, if T Higgins comes back,
Starting point is 01:04:54 I don't know what good he's gonna do you. And I think I just talked to myself out of METCHI by bringing up Nico Collins coming back. Tight ends. How many of these guys would you start over Dawson Knox? Would you start Tucker craft over Dawson Knox? No, not if Kincaid's up. Yeah, obviously assuming Kincaid is out. Would you start Mike Kisicki? If Higgins and Kincaid are both out, which
Starting point is 01:05:16 start Kisicki or Knox? It's Kisicki. Taysom Hill or Dawson Knox? Knox. Yep. Zach Ertz. Closer and non PPR Knox. Yep. Zach Ertz. Of the Cluster and non-PPR. I already did Zach Ertz and Dallas Goddard, but we'll do it again.
Starting point is 01:05:29 The Thursday guys, Ertz, Goddard or Knox? There's a lot of play there because if Devontae Smith is out, Goddard is easy. I would go Knox over both though if Kinkade's up. I'll give Goddard the nod even if Devontae Smith plays, but it's really close between Goddard and Knox, Ertz's third. Hunter Henry against the Rams or Dawson Knox? Henry. Fox in Sox or Knox in Box?
Starting point is 01:06:00 Dawson Knox is the top priority followed by Pat Fryriermuth. A great matchup against the Ravens. Johnna Smith, Johnna Smith only had four targets but nearly scored. Oh, it was fun. I was watching somebody, I was watching the game with someone who was like basically tied going into the game and he was facing Waddle and he had Johnna and DeMarcus Robinson
Starting point is 01:06:18 and he was on tilt and it was so close. That touchdown would have won the game for them. They came up a yard short, but then that last catch on the last drive from Robinson won him the games. Uh, it was fun to see, um, John Smith Davis Allen, you know, we didn't talk about this. He's, he's the starting tight end now, I guess. He played most of the snaps for the Rams. Uh, so he's, he's a guy. And he had five catches last night. And then there's Brock Wright, Jutave and Sanders on a buy, but the matchups are very good. And he's been catches last night. And then there's Brock Wright, Jutave and Sanders on a bye,
Starting point is 01:06:45 but the matchups are very good and he's been coming on lately. You could wait till Saturday to pick up Sanders if you want them. And same with Theo. If Allen had an 89.8% route rate, Colby Parkinson had 14.3. This has been multiple weeks going.
Starting point is 01:07:00 So Allen is the top tight end in LA. That's pretty interesting. All right, those guys aren't terrible. That's pretty interesting. All right. Those guys aren't terrible. They have a pulse and oh, here we go. The deeply guy, Will Disley. Will Disley has six or more targets than three of his last four games. He dropped a touchdown last week and he's facing, he's got a great schedule coming up. Holy cow. One, two, three, four, five, six, six straight opponents that currently ranked 20th or worse against tight ends. Will Disley is there. The deeply guy
Starting point is 01:07:30 that I meant to mention earlier. Dammit. Will this. I set his name after Dawson Knox. Oh, crap. I'm sorry. I didn't hear that. With Hayden, hers back. That's the problem. Yeah, maybe if he, if he's really listen, every his role flipped after the buy. Because I don't know if he versus done anything to warn her. That's when hers got injured. Going to the bio he got hurt. I know, but I don't know if there's anything that Hayden Hearst can do. We just came back last week.
Starting point is 01:07:59 So I don't want to I don't want to sit here and stump for Will Disley saying that he's going to be a league winner or anything like that. Oh, I will. He will be a league. No, he will not be. All right. DSTs and I'm sorry, I completely missed it. You said it.
Starting point is 01:08:13 Texans, Packers, Browns, Dolphins, Rams. They are the DSTs that we like as streamers. Texans ahead of the pack. Texans have three good matchups in a row. Kickers, McManus, John Parker, Romo, Josh Cardy, Jason Myers, Jake Bates. Thanks for watching everybody. We'll see you at one o'clock on CBS Sports 10.
Starting point is 01:08:30 We'll have a good one.

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