Fantasy Football Today - Waiver Wire! Hines, Snell, Kelley and More (09/15 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: September 15, 2020We've got four RBs who will garner a lot of attention on the waiver wire this week. How should you prioritize Nyheim Hines, Benny Snell, Joshua Kelley and Malcolm Brown? And what if James Robinson is ...also available (8:50)? We'll also talk Dallas Goedert (12:00), sort out the top waiver wire priorities, discuss FAB strategies (15:15) and give you the big news (23:18) on Michael Thomas, Phillip Lindsay and many more ... Top 3 priorities at each position: QB (28:00), RB (29:50), WR (32:55), TE (36:15), DST (37:50) and K (38:40). Are we trusting Mitchell Trubisky this week? Parris Campbell or Anthony Miller? Goedert or T.J. Hockenson? ... Recapping the Monday Night Football games (40:40), telling you who to drop (45:30) and then giving you even more waiver wire names (53:00) like Allen Lazard and Jimmy Graham ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Listen to the brand new Fantasy Football Today in 5 podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-in-5/id1528634304 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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It's going to be a long night setting those waiver claims, getting those fab bids in.
Welcome to the show, our first Waiver Wire episode of the season, and we've got some
really exciting running backs, some big opportunities here.
Hopefully though, the injuries to James Conner and Phillip Lindsey are not too severe.
I'm Adam Azer with Dave Richard and Jamie Eisenberg.
I'd like to celebrate a new round of friendship with Dave Richard.
You know, on Friday morning, I was really mad because I sat Sammy Watkins,
but he told me to start Darius Slayton over Sammy Watkins.
So, Dave, you and I are back, baby.
Sorry, friend request not accepted.
Oh, come on.
Nope.
You went in on me really really bad
off the air on text i could read the text to everybody but i think we'd get the explicit
tag on the podcast yeah i don't think the executives would laugh ben shraggy b would
not like it at all so uh sorry next time you ask me for fantasy, I'm going to say, go to Heath, go to Jamie,
go to Ben. Sorry.
Well, are you going to give me waiver wire advice today?
I'm going to give everybody else waiver
wire advice, not you. I will mute
my speakers. You have to
leave the podcast.
Jamie! What's up,
bro? Steven Gostkowski.
Yeah. Thankfully for him, you that kick would you would you cut him
anyway uh i probably would not but i'd bring in people to uh audition for the job just in case
this is a problem uh ross tucker tweeted that his contract is fully guaranteed for the year
he's a vested veteran so even if
he gets cut i have to pay him yeah so i'm not sure they're cutting him but uh fantasy managers might
i think he was started in eight percent of leagues and i did see he like won someone a
league on that last kick somebody sent me a screenshot so pretty exciting stuff and uh
week one is in the books all right who are your are your. So we'll recap the Monday night games. This is how waiver wire works. We're going to start off with our just top priorities right out of the gate and a little bit. We'll give names at each position and then later in the show, really dive in and we'll talk about a lot of names at each position. But let's talk about top three waiver wire priorities. Jamie, who would they be i'm gonna give you four because they're the four best and it's benny snell this is the order benny snell naheem hines malcolm brown and joshua kelly and
that's in ppr in non-ppr or half ppr i would put brown ahead of hines but ppr i don't think it's
close for me with hines ahead of malcolm brown, so Dave, your top four then?
Same four?
Same three.
Top three are definitely the same.
Snell, number one, regardless of format.
Hines, number two.
PPR, half PPR.
Brown, number three.
And then Dallas Goddard.
He deserves it.
He's on the same catch pace as Naheem Hines.
They're both going to end up right now with, what is it, 128 catches?
Something like that.
That's what they're on pace for. Anybody that's on pace for on pace for that yeah sure you can have a spot on my fantasy bench
so when you look at snell versus heinz and even snell versus malcolm brown or josh kelly
uh the steelers are apparently optimistic that this is not a long-term injury
so why would he be the number one option here when we know Hines?
It's well, we don't know what his role will be,
but it seems like he's going to have a role rest of season.
The way that I phrased it in writing the column is if you want to avoid the
Steelers mess, you know, that Hines is locked into his job.
So I totally get it.
If you want to go Hines first and on HQ on Monday and looking at an early look at the waiver wire Chris Towers and
Heath Cummings both made the case that Malcolm Brown should be the top running back added because
he has the lead job for the Rams right now and you know he's going to get carries as opposed to
Hines who may not get more than seven or eight carries on a weekly basis so I can get why you
may want to flip the order totally around you know So I think all three of these guys are certainly
interesting, but if I'm just looking at it from the standpoint of who can win me a week in week
two, and then maybe at some point down the road, win me another week. I think Benny Snell has the
highest ceiling of that group. And so Connor, unfortunately is dealing with another injury after two years of
being injured. And the fact that he couldn't come in when he was still on the sideline, you know,
I don't know what the deal is. I don't want to speculate on how bad his ankle injury is,
but if it's a high ankle sprain and we find out, you know, on, on Tuesday afternoon,
it could be several weeks. So I, for me, I'm going to go with Snell uh he looked awesome he didn't have any involvement in the
passing game which was troubling but I think all three of those guys and the only reason I put
Kelly in the same category with them is if something happens to Austin Eckler Kelly's
gonna be an absolute monster so I want all four of those guys a piece of all four of those guys
if I can get it but Snell for me is the top priority to get just looking at what he could
be for the Steelers offense when you saw Connor on the sideline did you see him at any point with his helmet
they didn't show him until the second half so no they showed him once in the first half and he had
his helmet on okay so maybe there was some speculation that maybe it wasn't an ankle or
just an ankle and that maybe it was something else um
who knows but if they say ankle sure we'll go with it i i agree 100 jamie i i'm thinking about
long-term staying power and naheem hines is going to be what he's going to be i don't think he'll
ever be the every down guy for indianapolis if something were to happen to taylor but i i do
think that the steelers have seen what they've seen. They saw James Conner get out of the gate slow, and then he got hurt.
And they've got to think that that's, you know, how can he be the bell cow
rest of the season when he's already been hurt in the first half of one football game?
And then they saw Benny Snell do what he did, running behind the same offensive line.
He looked great.
So I think at worst, Snell's in a tandem spot now,
and he might end up being
the best back in Pittsburgh.
And he had five games
with 16 or more carries last year,
so they show they will go to him.
But he had, I think,
only three catches in those games.
So you've got, you know,
basically somebody
who's completely uninvolved
in the passing game.
Jalen Samuels wasn't involved
in the passing game yesterday either,
so I'm not sure that... But he was on passing downs, though. He was the one that they used in the passing game. Jalen Samuels wasn't involved in the passing game yesterday either, so I'm not sure that...
But he was on passing downs, though.
He was the one that they used in obvious passes.
He didn't do a lot with it, but he was the one on the field.
Whereas Malcolm Brown was involved in the passing game.
So, I don't know. It's just interesting.
It's like, talk about staying power.
I am surprised to hear you guys both take Benny Snell number one.
Because if Conor's back, he's not going away. You can take Brown first I I have no problem if somebody wants to take Malcolm Brown first but
if you just follow what the reports were this offseason that they're eventually going to turn
the job over to Cam Akers and the fact that he still got 14 carries in this game yeah I think
that's a sign that they want to work him up and get him close to being ready to go to eventually
take over that job so I don't know how long Brown will be like this, playing like this,
doing what he did. He was fantastic over four yards per carry.
Like you said, the three catches was great to see.
I don't think Dallas is run defense is going to be very good,
especially with Vander Esch and they'll leave him the game.
So if that's the best indication of how good he can be, we'll find out.
But I think again,
long-term is what you should be thinking as well as just
week two and so malcolm brown may not be the lead rusher for the rams for a several week span yeah
well long term is it fair to say that naeem hines has the clearest long-term outlook yes right yes
yes okay um and i basically i mean is it fair to say Naeem Hines is basically Tariq Cohen?
Maybe with some more carries?
You know what he could be, which is what we said prior to the NFL draft,
when they got Phillip Rivers. He could be Austin Eckler.
Yeah, I guess so.
They've said it. He's on pace for 128 catches.
I've been saying all along 70 because he averaged 54 catches in his first two years.
So 70 was kind of the number I was looking at for him with Phillip Rivers.
I mean, he may shatter that.
If this defense is as bad as it looked against Jacksonville,
he may shatter that.
Well, hopefully it isn't that bad.
Yeah, Hines, and they played a couple games without Marlon Mack last year.
Hines had nine carries in one of those games.
He had four carries and a rushing touchdown in another one of those games.
Oddly enough, he only had two catches in those two games,
but it's a different offense with a different quarterback
who throws to his running back all the time.
What if James Robinson, who is rostered in 69% of leagues, is available?
Where would you put him?
And I'll give Jamie's priorities again.
In PPR, it was Snell, Hines, Malcolm Brown, Kelly. In non-PPR. It was Snell Hines, Malcolm Brown,
Kelly in non PPR.
It was Snell Brown,
Hines,
Kelly.
If James Robinson is out there,
what do you do first?
Yep.
Yeah.
He's first.
I mean,
he,
he,
he had a good game.
It wasn't like,
you know,
blow your mind.
Good game against the Colts.
But the fact that he had every,
every carry for the Jaguars and
was involved in the passing game that shows you how much they like this kid. And so we'll find out
what they're going to eventually do with right call Armstead and a divine Osigbo, you know,
when those guys are healthy and ready to go, but there's a chance Armstead may not play anytime
soon. And Osigbo who knows how that ankle is going to, you know, recover. So I think
you're looking at Robinson as the guy for the Jaguars and the last couple of weeks, you know,
once they got rid of Fournette, that's all we've heard is how much they like this kid.
What if Sonny Michel is available? He's 80% rostered.
Nah, I would put him behind. I'd put him behind all those other guys, you know,
maybe ahead of Kelly, if you need somebody to play right away, just because, you know,
he'll get guaranteed touches,
but I'd rather have Kelly personally.
Guys, it's going to be a really tough week to set your priority.
You're going to have so much FOMO,
and there are going to be a ton of players that you want
because you know in some of your leagues a guy like Jameson Crowder
might be available or Darius Slayton might be available
even though they're rostered in 80 ish percent of leagues. Right.
And then, and then there's the Paris Campbell and the viscous Chenault,
and there's Dallas Goddard.
And maybe you even want to stream Logan Thomas this week and,
and all these running backs.
And then you've got the Josh Adams of the world and the miles Gaskins of the
world where it's like, yeah, you know, for gas is like, okay,
he's probably not going to be the dolphinsphins starting running back, but maybe he will
be. It's three solid
games in a row for him dating back to last year.
Respectable games.
So players that sort of need to be rostered
just to see where it goes. I don't know.
I mean, we get a few weeks every
year where it's like the waiver wires loaded.
The waiver wires loaded right now,
isn't it?
No? The waiver wires is loaded this week.
The star quality at wide receiver is not there
unless the guys that you mentioned are available around the 80% range.
So the Anthony Millers, Chenaults, the Campbells of the world,
they're not going to necessarily draw as much attention
as the four running backs we talked about, Goddard,
those kinds of
players because of what either they've shown you in the past or the ability that they have after
what you saw in week one so that's the difference between those type of moves you could be making
but i do think you're going to see some scenarios week two and beyond where you're like oh my god i
could have picked up campbell or i could have picked up chanel for basically nothing. And I missed out on that because I didn't make a second waiver claim
or a third waiver claim or a third fab move
to drop somebody who you may be hanging on to.
And again, you don't want to overreact to week one.
So like the guys that I listed to drop,
there's some big name players there,
but you just have to sort of gauge what your roster looks like
and what the upside versus the downside of some of these scenarios can be. And listen, we've got a Twitch stream
tonight at eight o'clock PM Eastern twitch.com slash FF today. Um, we might get some more injury
information by that point. Things might change a little bit. So hop on there, ask us your questions.
It'll be Jamie and I on Twitch. Uh, it will be me and Jamie on Twitch. Excuse me. Twitch.com slash FFToday, 8 p.m. Eastern until 9 p.m.
And we'll rock and roll.
It'll be a lot of fun.
Dave, you mentioned Dallas Goddard.
So, yeah, go ahead.
Discuss.
I think that he's going to be a benefactor of Philadelphia
not being able to run the football. And I'm starting to wonder if theyactor of Philadelphia not being able to run the football.
And I'm starting to wonder if they're not going to be able to run the football effectively very often this year,
given the state of their O-line.
I like the Lane Johnson's coming back.
That'll help them.
But they used him a hell of a lot, and they were playing from behind.
And it looks like he's going to be an integral part of what they do.
So happy to spend a waiver claim on him,
certainly ahead of those wide receivers that we're talking about,
minus the 80 percenters.
And yeah, PPR for sure, non-PPR.
He's going to get eyeballs.
There are going to be some unhappy campers with what they got out of some
tight ends off the waiver wire this week, or out of the draft.
And they might go to replace Goddard with them. And I't blame them what if hawkinson's available too because that's another
guy that my 67 rostered and you're thinking wow i don't want to miss the breakout here
of the second year guy he would be he would be right behind goddard okay if you ask me they're
really close there's two things that play with both those guys. And clearly it's going to, you know, determine what happens when somebody comes back for Hawkinson,
the best receiver was missing for Detroit.
So,
you know,
we'll see how Galladay's return impacts him.
And then for the Eagles,
look,
they,
for whatever reason,
didn't play Deshaun Jackson a lot.
I don't know why,
you know,
Doug Peterson was trying to spin it yesterday that,
you know,
that was just the plan going in his snap count,
but Alshon could return at some point as well.
And then I think we got to find out how they're going to operate.
You know, they still going to go with these two tight end sets.
Is he going to play ahead of Ertz? You know, is,
is the contract that play, you know,
do they not want to pay Zach Ertz because Dallas Goddard is so good and it's
the passing of the torch a little bit. You know,
if in fact Goddard can just do what Zach Ertz does from a production
standpoint, that's probably a minor thing, you know,
because the Eagles need to win.
But I think you're going to see, and Dave hit on this,
if Lane Johnson's back, this offensive line looks dramatically different.
They're not going to be as beat up as they were,
where Carson Wentz was running for his life and getting eight sacks.
And they're obviously not going to face a defensive front
like they faced against Washington,
which is going to be a problem for a lot of teams
based on how they got after Wentz and took apart that offensive line as well.
So I think Goddard's going to be good.
I don't know if he's going to be this good,
but he was a top 10 tight end last year,
so it's hard to overlook the way he performed now
over a 17-game span going back to the start of 2019.
Yeah, and it's six or more targets for Goddard
in eight straight games going back to last year.
He's great.
Well, but he wasn't.
That's the thing.
He wasn't actually that great.
He was a little disappointed.
I have to say, he was very disappointed
considering all the targets. And when he got like eight to ten targets, wasn't actually that great. He was a little disappointed. I have to say, he was very disappointed considering all the targets.
When he got eight to ten targets,
yeah, he was great,
and he got nine targets at Washington.
We'll see.
Carson Wentz continues to throw a ton.
That's like eight games in a row or something
with 40 or more pass attempts,
but maybe Miles Sanders coming back
would change that.
We shall see.
Obviously, Goddard's going to be popular and with good reason.
So let's talk about Fab, your free agent budget here.
How much for whom?
I don't see myself spending a lot for anybody because there isn't a slam dunk.
And because Snell, Hines, and Brown are all going to be available,
I think if you put in somewhere close to the same amount for each of the three,
you've got a good chance of getting one of them.
Which is what, you think?
30%?
No.
You're getting shut out.
You are definitely getting shut out.
Okay, that's fine with me because none of these three are for sure starters the rest of the way well
it depends what you need i mean you know obviously for the connor owner or connor manager you know
you're going to look to spend probably a little bit more on snell you're going to look to spend
a little bit more if you're the marlin mac fantasy manager you know anybody that lost somebody
significant is going to go a little bit more aggressive with their fab because they want to
make sure they have a starter or flex or whatever the case may be if your roster is depleted and
and format
size matters you know uh 14 team league 16 team leagues guys don't become available like this if
they are on the free agent wire but on the waiver wire but i think you're looking at it as i'm i'm
with dave you know the way that i wrote it was uh you know around 20 you know i i just think there's
no um your roster really is going to determine it.
I mean, that's just the way to look at it.
We're going to be in a lot of leagues where somebody spends 30%, 40%
just because they, A, don't know how to use their FAB budget the right way
because they're doing it for the first time,
or, B, they just got decimated by injuries
and you want to sort of salvage your fantasy season before it goes south.
I'll go against you just a little bit, because I'll push back on that.
I think that I compared, you know,
Chris Towers had us fill out a week two survey last night.
Chris Towers, you know, authors our newsletter.
You should sign up for that, cbssports.com slash newsletters.
It's free, goes right to your inbox.
And one of the questions, you know,
is about waiver wire, obviously.
And I compared Malcolm Brown to Jordan Howard last year.
And this assumption that Cam Akers is just...
Well, you say that, but this assumption that Cam Akers is just going to take the job.
But Cam Akers, he made a lot of men miss, and he was probably better than his numbers.
But his overall numbers were much worse than Malcolm Brown's.
They obviously trust Malcolm Brown.
Daryl Henderson is an X factor here because I think maybe he gets more carries,
more work when he's further removed from the injury.
Maybe, but he's clearly third.
Absolutely, but he could throw a wrench in the plans.
But what I'm saying is we assumed Miles Sanders would take the job from Jordan Howard,
and he never did, not until Howard got hurt.
So that opportunity, you have to at least look at that
as a possibility for Malcolm Brown.
And if he's their goal line guy,
with the tendency they've shown to run the ball near the goal line,
and if he's going to lead them in catches,
I don't know if he will, but he did in week one.
Like 15%, that seems low to me.
And I was thinking 30% for these guys,
especially like if we just said that Tariq Cohen
and that Naeem Hines is Tariq Cohen
and could have 70 catches,
how are you not spending 30% of your budget
on Naeem Hines and a PPR?
The reason you're not spending 30% of your budget
is you don't know the next guy
that's going to come along in two weeks
and you don't want to be without
some free agent money to spend.
You know, that's part of it.
You have to balance your budget.
It's like any sort of shopping that you do.
But we – okay, I'm sorry to interrupt you.
We had really good players in week one.
Like Terry McLaurin was out there in week one.
This is your opportunity to get someone for a full season at Naeem Hines.
Yes, and this is the decisions you have to make.
I'm trying to think of
a guy week one last year that went off that we said has been big on and was disappointing, you
know? So there's probably a couple of examples of those. Oh, I'll tell you. So I think you just have
to, you know, gauge it. And that's why I was kind of saying like, you know, everybody's roster is
different. You know, if you just lost Mac and he was somebody that you're counting on as a flex
option, or you just, you know, now we're down James Conner for maybe a couple of weeks or
Philip Lindsay for a couple of weeks, you don't have Kenny Galladay who knows
for how long Cortland Sutton, same thing. You know, you're going to make some different moves.
Dallas Goddard could be a starting tight end for, you know, the rest of the season as he was
again, finishing as a top 10 guy last year. So every scenario is, is different for every league
and a 14 team league and a 16 team league, they're going to spend more because these guys don't
become available as often.
So it's just different. You know,
I don't think you should just go blowing your free agent budget on a guy in
Malcolm Brown who could be replaced by cam makers or
Benny Snell may, you know,
not have a starting job next week because James Connor is healthy and we know
what Pittsburgh's track record is when they go with one running back.
So there's, there's lots of things that play here. Yes, Hines may be this guy all season long
as the Tariq Cohen, James White type of player. And if Jonathan Taylor goes down,
he could be even better. So there's a lot of things that play here. So it's not a bad idea
to get these guys. It's not a bad idea if you have such an affinity for them to spend as much
as you think you need to spend. But two weeks from now, Darrell Williams may be dropped in a lot of
leagues and he could be the
starter for the chiefs if claude edwards salera goes down and you don't have enough free agent
budget to go get that type of guy and there's 28 other examples of that around the nfl that could
happen so really i i think we've laid out the case for everybody adam where if you if you have
just you've totally bought into to brown or snell or hz. And you know, your league, if you don't think 15 or 20% is enough,
then go for it,
man.
It's your fab.
And then these guys will be yours for the rest of the season.
But Heinz,
particularly what happens if Phillip rivers goes down and he's 38 years old.
I'm not playing that game.
I don't know.
I'm not playing that game.
Okay.
That's the thing.
We don't have a guy at running back this week
that we can say nothing's stopping him.
True.
Okay.
Like, James Robinson is that guy.
Like, nothing's stopping James Robinson from being the lead guy.
How much fab on James Robinson?
He's a 30% guy.
Okay.
Yeah.
If you were to say right now,
like, if we get news by the middle of the day,
James Conner tore a ligament in his ankle
and was out for six weeks.
Oh, yeah.
Benny Snell is a 60% guy at minimum.
At minimum.
So there's different things at play here.
If Sean McVay said,
Malcolm Brown impressed me so much,
this is our guy for the rest of the season,
then he becomes a 30% guy.
Okay. So you want to take a trip down memory lane? I'm looking at our Waver Wire rest of the season. Then he becomes a 30% guy. Okay.
So you want to take a trip down memory lane?
I'm looking at our waiver wire show from last year.
Okay.
All right.
This should be fun.
Go ahead.
So the thing is,
a lot of the guys that we had as top priorities
were rostered in like 70 to 77% of leagues.
TJ Hawkinson had that huge game.
That was a waste of fab money.
Tyrell Williams,
he was 77% rostered, but he gave you
some good weeks before his injury. Austin Hooper was 76% rostered. Mark Andrews was 73% rostered.
So those were like the high end guys. A little bit deeper. Let's see. Josh Allen, 58%. Matthew
Stafford, 45%. At running back, Giovanni Bernard was our top priority
because Joe Mixon got hurt in week one and didn't miss any games.
Chris Thompson, waste of money.
Ronald Jones, waste of money.
Bad running backs.
Carlos Hyde.
Well, that was a good one.
Carlos Hyde, 58% at that point.
Malcolm Brown, Raheem Mostert.
I don't know why we said Malcolm Brown.
Oh, Malcolm Brown, last year too, huh? Raheem Mostert was too early on that point. Malcolm Brown, Raheem Mostert. I don't know why we said Malcolm Brown. Oh, Malcolm Brown, last year too, huh?
Raheem Mostert was too early on that one.
Alexander Madison, Ido Smith, Mike Davis, etc.
Yeah, but there were some good names.
So it sounds like a bunch of crap in Raheem Mostert.
At running back.
No, and Mostert was crap
because he didn't do anything for 10 more weeks.
John Brown, Jamison
Crowder, Marquise
Brown, DK Metcalf,
Terry McLaurin.
Pretty good players
there.
You know, we've barely
talked about receivers to
pick up.
And I am getting
Paris Campbell.
Well, I have him in
every league, but if I
don't, I'm going to get
Paris Campbell.
I agree.
Yeah. Who? Yeah. All right. We to get Ferris Campbell. Trey BN.
Yeah, all right.
We'll get to our favorites.
Let's go through just a few news and notes.
Well, actually, a lot of news and notes.
Michael Thomas is going to try to play through a high ankle sprain, guys.
What are your thoughts there?
He plays, you start him.
Yep.
We talked about this on yesterday's show, me and Schrager and Towers,
the bi-week replacements.
We were talking about who we'd trade him for.
He's no worse, we thought, than wide receiver three.
Maybe you'd get Devante Adams for him if you could.
You'd maybe get Julio.
How about you guys? That's it, though.
Tyreek, maybe?
I think now's the time to try and see how the Michael Thomas fantasy manager
feels about him.
Right.
Uh-oh, he's damaged goods.
Why don't you give them to me and I'll give you Stefan Diggs and someone
else in my guillotine league, the manager.
And it's all fantasy.
I won't, I won't name names to embarrass anybody,
but the fantasy manager with Michael Thomas got chopped.
Oh no.
Would you rather have Jonathan Taylor
or Michael Thomas rest of season?
Thomas.
Taylor.
The thing is, Taylor's probably going to catch some passes, right?
Why not back at three catches before he got hurt?
Two or three.
It's the Philip Rivers effect, baby.
Don't get cute.
Michael Thomas is better than Jonathan Taylor.
He is, but he's got a high angle spread.
If we were, I guess if we were redrafting today, a healthy Thomas would go ahead of Taylor. He is. He's got a high angle spread. If we were, I guess if we were redrafting today,
a healthy Thomas
would go ahead of Taylor.
But if we know
that Thomas is banged up,
we know it.
And he didn't have
a great game.
Yeah, well, Jonathan Taylor.
Give me a Heath sigh
for that one, please.
Give me a Heath sigh
for that one, please.
Damn, I didn't have
it queued up, Jamie.
I'm sorry.
What did you say?
Give you a what?
A Heath sigh.
That one is so weird. What did you say? Give you a what? A Heath sigh. That one is so weird.
Who makes this noise?
So weird.
Jonathan Taylor, yeah.
Nine carries, 22 yards.
Shouldn't be overlooked,
but he did have six catches for 67 yards.
Okay.
Phillip Lindsay, mild turf toe.
Horrible schedule coming up for Melvin Gordon.
Probably something we should talk about tomorrow. Steelers
box of Jets next three
games. James Connor
ankle.
Didn't talk about it. So
mild, mild interest in Royce Freeman and Jalen
Samuels. Deep leagues.
The deepest of deep. Yeah. Freeman
almost punched in the touchdown there at the end. Gordon
came on the court.
Pittsburgh right tackle Zach Banner hurt his knee.
Blake Jarwin tore the ACL, which sucks.
George Kittle hurt his knee, and he may not play this week at the Jets.
Brandon Ayuk expected to play this week, though.
Miles Sanders, decent chance to play this week against the Rams.
Le'Veon Bell is going to be out a few weeks with a hamstring injury.
He's got the Niners.
Devontae Parker, hamstring injury.
Do we know if he is going to play this week?
Do we have an update on Parker? It sounds like he could miss some time.
Okay. They got the Bills
this week, unfortunately, but then it gets a little
easier. Jacksonville
in week three. Preston Williams is rostered
in 80% of CBS leagues.
Deshaun Jackson, his snap count will increase
each week. David Ajoku's
on IR with a knee injury.
So if you're thinking about dropping Austin Hooper,
should we wait?
They get Cincinnati and then Washington and Dallas
and no Njoku.
Yes, you wait.
Unless he's...
If he's clearly the worst player on your bench
and you're good at tight end,
then you can make the move.
But you don't have to spike cut him.
Okay.
AJ Boye,
Denver cornerback.
He got hurt in the second quarter.
They're falling apart.
Yeah, they sure are.
Every year.
It sucks.
They should have won the game, though.
Yes, they should have.
Can you say that
when the other team
missed four kicks?
Or was it three?
Four kicks.
Extra point and three field goals?
I can say that
when they were down,
arguably their best
offensive player,
they were down their best defensive player,
and they had just injuries all throughout the game.
Yes.
And Ryan Fitzpatrick is going to start at Buffalo
or against Buffalo,
but when you have to say that Ryan Fitzpatrick
is going to start, that means you've got quarterback issues.
Well, that's going to be a question for every Miami game
whenever they lose.
If he plays badly.
I mean, even if he doesn't play bad. They're waiting for Tua. There's going to be a question for every Miami game whenever they lose. If he plays badly. This question.
I mean, even if he doesn't play bad.
Yeah.
They're waiting for Tua.
And the minute that the Chargers lose, it's going to be the same question there.
Yeah.
Now I talk about a team that should have won a game.
By the way, did you buy that calf cramp for the Bengals kicker?
Did you think he was kind of...
Yes and no.
He makes the kick, the cramp doesn't matter.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't buy those two
pass interference calls, though.
Which ones?
Gallup, Crabbe.
The Gallup one.
Yeah.
I thought it was interference on Green.
Ramsey did a great acting job.
I didn't think Ramsey played that well.
What did you guys think?
Right?
I agree.
Yeah.
Okay, top three at each position.
Let's get some names going here.
Then we'll recap Sunday or Monday night football.
Do the drop-o-meter and then give you a bunch of names later in the show.
If you want to give more than three names, go for it.
But who are the quarterbacks we're looking at?
Oh, it's a stellar list.
Mitchell Trubisky, Gardner Minshew, and Ryan Tannehill.
Okay.
No Burrow, huh?
No.
Taking on the Browns this week if you're streaming?
I don't mind.
What's that?
He's at 83% roster.
Oh, that's why there's no Burrow.
My bad.
Trubisky, Minshew, and Tannehill, you said?
Trubisky, Minshew, Tannehill.
I mean, just what you thought when the season started
that you would be looking at these three guys as streaming options.
Now, thankfully, I don't think you have to use these three because there's no major injuries and not a lot of awful matchups. But I would start all three over Carson Wentz and Matthew Stafford if they're top guys, offensive line and running back for Wentz and Galladay not there for Stafford. Tannehill threw more
yesterday than he did all of last year in any game.
Any single game.
Trubisky's got the Giants.
Ooh, stink. But you say
Minshew in like this, oh, Gardner Minshew way,
but if Heath were here, he'd be like,
and he'd be like, what's up with that?
Well, I mean, this Titans defense is good.
Okay. But is Minshew not like a
long-term play here? Not somebody you want on your roster?
He said this, and I firmly agree.
It's like pitting two of Heath's kids against each other
because we know how much he likes Trubisky as well.
So I asked him yesterday on the show,
Trubisky or Minshew,
and he said Trubisky for a week,
two, Minshew for the season,
which I'm in total agreement with.
Yeah, Minshew...
Tannehill against the Jaguars last year
went for 36 fantasy
points minshu has uh the titans this week and then the dolphins the bangles and the texans and the
lions yep and then a bye week yeah okay running backs we've covered we've um so benny snell and
i am heinz malcolm brown joshua Kelly. Who are a few more names, Dave,
that you'd be looking at at running back?
I'd look at Jerick McKinnon in PPR leagues.
He'd be a potential fallback guy for Hines.
Obviously not as sexy as Hines,
but it was good to see him play
and it was good to see him score.
And this is going to be gross,
but Adrian Peterson was the most productive yardage
and carry guy for Detroit
and carry on Johnson
just stinks. I'm sorry.
He's not good.
I think Adrian Peterson is going to continue to
be the 1A
and Swift will probably end up being the 1B.
Yeah, it's a good matchup
at Green Bay. I bet everybody
would be more excited about Swift if he had caught that
touchdown to win the game for the Lions,
but he still barely had touches in the game.
See, this is the type of thing you want the other people
in your fantasy league to do.
Chase Adrian Peterson, Chase Peyton Barber, Chase Frank Gore.
They're all going to be terrible,
and if you're looking for just an under-the-radar guy to pick up,
I'm going to say it again.
He's a little bit higher-owned or rostered than you would like,
but still pick up Daryl Williams,
especially if he gets dropped because you saw what they did with Edward
Solaire.
And you'd rather have the starting running back for the chiefs in week
five,
should something happen to Edward Solaire than the starting running back
for the lions,
the jets,
or in this case,
the Washington football team for now, based on what those guys are going to get touches.
I don't want Adrian Peterson on my team.
I don't want Frank Gore on my team.
I don't want Peyton Barber on my team.
I don't care what they're going to do.
They're not going to help you win a week.
What about Myles Gaskin?
Myles Gaskin is certainly more interesting than those guys, but I'd be shocked if they
go into week two and not give Jordan Howard and Matt Breida more work.
Because Gaskin outplayed those guys, not just the production, but the playing time was ridiculous in terms of how they used those other two guys.
And the fact that they didn't throw the ball to Breida at all, they didn't throw the ball to Jordan Howard, that's not a big surprise.
I heard this on, we live in South Florida, so a radio show I go on all the time. It's Hockman and Crowder.
And they said
Jordan Howard
had the Kalen Balazs line
of eight carries
for seven yards.
And they said,
you hope that your running back
gives you a barrage
of production.
We get a Balazs
of production.
Actually, Jamie,
there's a new name for it.
It's actually
the Barkley production.
Don't go there.
15 carries for six yards.
Yeah.
He's not playing
the Steelers every week.
He actually had a game
just like that
against the Jets last year.
It was awesome.
Good run defense.
You called it.
Who, the Steelers?
Yep.
No, the Jets.
Oh, the Jets.
They do it.
I love Josh Allen
because that run defense
is so bad.
Wait, you love Josh Allen
because of what?
Last week.
You thought that...
Because the run defense
for the Jets is good
and the pass defense is not.
Oh, the pass, yeah.
I said it wrong, I promise.
Yeah, yeah.
I think the run defense...
I mean, it's good pretty much every year.
I also thought...
I kept saying over and over,
the Giants run defense is really good,
and I think it should be.
It was great for a while.
I think they just kind of got worn down.
In the first half, it was good.
Wide receivers.
All right, yeah.
So who are we looking at at wide receiver?
Big, big fun names.
I think it's pretty fun names out there on the waiver wire.
What do you got?
They're fun names.
I just don't know how much of a hurry you'd be in to start them.
I've got Anthony Miller first, but he's rostered in 61% of the league.
So a lot of people aren't going to be able to get him.
I like what I saw from Mike Williams,
and I'm a little worried about him getting banged up,
but a lot of downfield throws to him.
He was an air yards king last year
he had over a thousand yards barely last year and it seemed like he was the only target that
tarod could hit on those sideline throws with with some consistency not a lot of great consistency he
would be second for me robbie anderson would be third paris campbell and ppr would be fourth and
then there's other names after that.
It's kind of deep at receiver,
and I don't think you're going to have to spend a lot of fab to get any of these guys.
Miller, I'm a little nervous about.
Like, love the matchup.
I don't know.
You'll have to tell me if he always lines up on one side of the field or not.
It seemed like he might be... The left side?
No, the right side. That's where he caught his touchdown.
He was on the left a little bit more often than the right, if I recall, last year.
All right. Well, because it seemed like the Giants...
So the quarterback's left. The quarterback's left.
Right. He caught his touchdown on the quarterback's right side in that end zone.
Trubisky doesn't throw left very well.
Seemed like James Bradbury. That appears to be his side of the field.
So, and that's who they have this week, the Giants.
But the thing with Miller is he got six targets.
He ends up with that touchdown catch.
It was a great catch.
But if he doesn't catch that ball,
and you can't rely on him to get that,
if he doesn't catch that ball, he has a pretty bad game.
And Trubisky was really horrible for the first half.
First three quarters.
Yeah, I totally get it.
It was brutal.
And I started Anthony Miller, and I, you know,
Jamie's been talking about Miller since the end of last season,
so I get it.
But why, like...
Well, Jamie, give me your list.
I'm curious why Campbell was fourth for you, Dave,
because, like, I don't know.
He led the team in targets.
Just makes sense that he'd be a target that Phil Rivers would like.
Yeah, he tied for the team. He led the team in receiving. He was sense that he'd be a target that Phil Rivers would like. Yeah, he tied for the team.
He led the team in receiving.
He was tied in targets.
I don't know.
Jamie, what's your list?
For me, it's three guys above the rest.
It's almost like the running back position.
Miller's still first just because, again,
I've been talking about him all offseason.
I'm not going to back off after he had a productive game in week one.
LaVisca Chenault would be second.
The fact that he did this with the –
the Jaguars aren't going to throw 20 times every week and the fact that they gave him the two carries
uh that he scored the touchdown i think he's just going to continue to get much much better so i
love what i saw from him in that game and i think again you're going to see them throwing all over
the place and chasing points and they're going to try to put the ball in his hands as much as
possible and then campbell would be third you know you just look at what he was able to do
um in this in this game uh the concern is going to be health with him because we know he battled a ton of injuries last year.
But, you know, you see the top two guys in this passing game from the receiver standpoint, T.Y. Hilton and Paris Campbell.
And I think Rivers is just, you know, get the ball out quick.
Campbell is going to be around the line of scrimmage. He's going to make people miss.
This was a great first game for him, for those two guys together.
So those three for me are above the rest by far.
Okay.
Fair enough.
So that's the same three,
except they've put Robbie Anderson in there as his number.
And Mike Williams.
I didn't have,
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
My bad.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mike.
Okay.
For a little bit on this,
but that's okay.
It just depends on how you feel about these guys and the tight ends.
Hold on.
Goddard.
Goddard.
Easy.
Logan Thomas would be second for me. And then the third guy would be, Hold on. because of how bad this run game is going to be. So it's going to be an awful, awful matchup again in week two against Buffalo.
But you just have to look long-term with him.
And eventually he's going to end up putting up some really, really nice numbers.
So buy into what his role was and how much they used him
and how much they're going to continue to use him.
Because Perryman stinks.
Mims stinks.
Chris Hogan definitely stinks.
And it's really right now it's Crowder and Herndon as the only two guys
you should trust for the Jets if you want to trust any of the Jets.
I wrestle with Herndon and Thomas as far as who's second on my
tight end list because I agree I think that they're just they're down to nubs now on offense and
Herndon's target share should should be good I don't like that he really didn't get a lot of
his yards until the end of the game though like why couldn't he have been a little bit more involved
before then it's just a little frustrating to me but I do think he's got some i think he's got more upside overall
than logan tom settling on it right now i'm taking herndon over thomas that i would agree
with you if you're looking long term if you're looking week two thomas is better than herndon
thomas gets the cardinals herndon gets the 49ers dst and by the way Hawkinson would be number one or number two if he were available
two for me I would say
one for me just based on you know
there's more upside long term for
Hawkinson than there is for Goddard
all right best DSTs to get this week
you got the Cardinals
they should do well at home against Washington
the Titans against Jacksonville
you know they suffocated the Broncos after the first quarter.
Packers get Detroit, especially if Galladay is not there.
So those pass rushers will pin their ears back
in their first home game against the Lions.
Where's your love for the Cleveland Browns
against the Bengals Thursday?
I think Burrow's pretty good,
and I think that Brown's defense is not good.
Outside of their...
Miles Garrett, really.
Well, okay.
But we'll see what their defensive backs look like,
because they were missing two or three.
They were missing two guys, right.
And I think one got hurt.
So I think by the end of the day,
they were missing three.
We'll see.
Yeah, their linebackers are a major liability,
though, right now.
Okay.
And any kickers?
Yes, there are three kickers you can be looking at.
Chris Boswell gets the Broncos at home.
Crosby gets the Lions at home.
And Suckup gets the Panthers at home.
We're going to take a break on fantasy football today.
When we come back, quick recap some Monday Night Football,
who to drop, and more players to add, like Phillip Rivers.
He's going to throw a lot,
maybe, against the Vikings?
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Pittsburgh 26, Giants 16.
Dave, major takeaways from this game?
Major takeaways that James Conner,
we already talked about him.
I'm not going to get into it again.
So let's just go to the next good thing about the Steelers.
Passing game.
It's Juju with two touchdowns.
It's Roethlisberger.
Roethlisberger was rusty early on,
and then he really started humming toward the end of the first half.
And just the synergy with Juju,
it's like they played together for 16 games last year.
It was incredible.
And a lot of target share for Juju and for Deontay Johnson
and a little bit more for James Washington.
Not so much for Ebron and Claypool.
Claypool did have a great catch down the sideline,
and he'll be a problem eventually, man.
He's just huge.
But Ben Roethlisberger started to kick it into high gear.
He's got great weapons around him.
Juju had a monster game.
Hard not to be impressed with what you got from Roethlisberger.
Interesting game for Deontay Johnson.
Some bad plays in there, a fumble, but also 10 targets,
so that's encouraging.
And Jamie, any concerns about Saquon Barkley?
No, no.
I mean, the fact that they used him as much in the past game, remember that was a concern
because of how much Daniel Jones ran last year.
They had him split out when they were trying to come back in the second half.
So they were using him in a variety of ways.
So yeah, none.
This is as bad a matchup as
he's going to deal with all season long and the Steelers are going to be a problem for a lot of
teams in terms of their running back so good luck Melvin Gordon this week and would you drop Evan
Ingram for Dallas Goddard or TJ Hawkinson no again you know tough tough tough matchup you know
Ingram will bounce back I thought he would struggle against the Steelers um he had a bad drop
should have had a potential touchdown as well.
You know, so we'll see how he improves this week.
But, you know, this was just, you know, hey, congratulations, Giants.
You're facing the best defense in football, even though you're home in week one.
It was going to be a bad night all the way around.
By the way, Darius Slayton now has 10 touchdowns in 15 career games.
Five of the 10 are from 30 plus yards out.
Trivia.
Who holds the NFL record for all time touchdowns of 30 plus yards?
Receiving.
Receiving?
Randy Moss.
He's close.
Jamie, you got a guess?
What's the question?
Career amount of touchdowns caught of 30 plus yards.
Who has the most?
Is it Victor Cruz?
Yes.
No,
it's Victor.
No,
it's not amazing.
No,
it's Jerry Rice.
Okay.
No,
Cruz had a lot of them,
but that's okay.
I thought you were being funny.
Dave was being funny.
Tennessee 16,
Denver 14.
Jamie, major takeaway from this game?
Corey Davis looked good.
Give him credit.
I mean, you know, he stepped up and played well with A.J. Brown struggling.
I wonder whatever mystery injury that A.J. Brown was dealing with coming into the end of camp in the beginning part of this week,
if that carried over because he had a bad drop in the fourth quarter
in what should have been a game-winning touchdown.
But Derrick Henry did not look good.
And we'll find out. Taylor LeJuan left
the game with a knee injury. We'll see what the extent of that is.
But first game
without Jack Conklin.
If this offensive line is going to be a problem
for Henry, there were just no holes open for him.
A couple times where he bounced to the outside, he looked good.
And I did like the fact that I think he had two catches.
I don't know how many times. Three catches,
three targets. Three catches. That tied
his most in a game from last year.
That's certainly encouraging that they tried to get
him involved in that capacity.
But if he's going to get
30 carries a game, he's going
to break down. I mean, you just can't
work him like this
over and over and over again. Not good.
If you were drafting again today,
who goes first?
Noah Fant or Darius Slayton?
Fant.
Knowing what we know from week one?
Mm-hmm.
I'll say Slayton.
But Fant was impressive.
He's so talented.
He was incredible. The one thing about Slayton, and this is by far a minor knock,
but it's once again he did
it without one of the three receivers there it's just amazing how he just continues to happen and
I mean it's going to continue he's going to yeah I'm done I'm done with that being a knock against
I totally totally agree but good at this point but it's just it's just funny that Golden Tate's
inactive and again he has another big game I just hope that that's the the start of you know he
could be their best guy because he should be their best guy he has another big game. I just hope that that's the start of, you know, he could be their best guy
because he should be their best guy.
He has the highest ceiling of that group.
Okay, let's do the drop-o-meter here.
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Fant was exciting,
but we should also make note
that Jonu Smith had a good game.
Yes.
He should have had even a little bit better game,
but hopefully you're happy
with what you got out of him in week one.
He finishes the top 10 tight end.
Who would you rather have rest of season, Fant or
Jonu? Fant, based
on this.
This is where this and Benny
Snell are just two of many examples from
the weekend where I wish we had preseason football
because if we had seen Fant look like
this on the field, he was playing so freely.
You could tell that he wasn't thinking as
much. You could tell that he was a second
year tight end breaking out. And now
getting this type of work without Corlin Sutton
is amazing. I hope it continues
when Sutton comes back, but he looked
great. Yeah, and Hamler too.
I wish Judy had caught a few
more of his pass. He had a couple drops that were ugly.
Still look good though. I made such a
mistake in a league.
We should maybe talk about this
tomorrow because it's a bit of a strategy thing i dropped noah fant before the season started for
duke johnson because i had mark andrews and you know how much i love noah fant but i'm sitting
there like i can't roster two tight ends with mark andrews let's get some running back depth
and it's just an interesting decision that you have to make like running backs you have to roster
inferior players because you know you need, and what if there's an injury
and this guy could catch four passes, that kind of crap.
I'm so mad at myself because I totally love Noah Fant.
But with Hawkinson, with Fant, you're looking at it.
Maybe these are your two breakout tight ends.
It happens every year now.
Both of them were missing their best receiver,
Corlin Sutton and Kenny Galladay,
so we'll see if it carries over into week two.
I had a lucky roster move last
night. I dropped Golden State for
Benny Snell before the game.
Well done. You know, it's funny. I was looking at it
because my receivers in that league are bad. And I was
like, the first guy I
went to look for was James Washington and Chase
Claypool. And I'm like, oh, Benny Snell's there.
What happens if James Connery gets hurt? Let me just make the
move. I think to myself, God,
that's just such dumb luck.
Hey, that's why you roster these backup running backs.
That's why I roster Duke Johnson,
because David Johnson gets hurt all the time.
You know, just sometimes you get the break.
Sometimes Duke Johnson gets hurt.
All right, drop O'Beaner.
So I've got a bunch of names,
but maybe we should just talk about like,
okay, Justin Jefferson is an easy drop, 59% roster.
Hunter Renfro is like 60% roster or something.
Drop him.
There's some easy calls.
What about like all of the rookie receivers?
Henry Ruggs is 93% rostered.
LaVisca Chenault's on your ad list.
I get that.
But Ruggs, Judy, and oh my.
No, no, no, no.
Judy.
Definitely no.
Not for Naeem Hines or Malcolm Brown?
I mean, I guess if you're in a 10-team league
and those are the end-of-year bench guys,
Ruggs was on his way to a monster game before he got hurt.
So that's just something to keep an eye on.
If he's hurt, then it's easy to drop him.
But, you know, I think you look at what they were trying to do with him
and what his upside could be.
Like, that's a guy that has star potential
based on where he was drafted.
If he scores a touchdown, you know, he got tackled at the one.
If he scores a touchdown, then his stat line looks a lot better.
So, no, don't drop Henry Rucks.
Okay.
I want to see what his snap count was.
He played 67% of the snaps, so definitely the injury.
He came back after getting hurt, which is a good sign.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's out.
You need a procedural
move, then I get it.
I don't know when these rookie wide receivers are going to
become must-start guys.
That's why I was asking.
You think about this time last year,
what we know now about, say, DK Metcalf.
Was he more
valuable than
what we expect Naeem Hines to be?
Does this comparison make sense?
No, Hines is more valuable,
but there's still the unknown of what they're going to do
with each player in their respective spots.
You kind of have an idea of what Hines is going to be
after what you saw in week one.
But I mean, Ruggs could,
they could just be scratching the surface.
You know, I tried to make this point yesterday.
I'll make it again here.
Dave said, no preseason.
For these rookies, this was their first taste of NFL action,
first taste of game speed at this level,
first taste of playing on this stage.
And so for guys like Edward Soler and Jonathan Taylor,
once he was pressed into action and Joe Burrow,
imagine what was going through Joe Burrow's head.
He's never taken an NFL snap before and he's down.
He leads them on a game winning drive.
He should have had a touchdown, AJ green.
And then his kicker goes and misses the kick.
Like, like that could have been the dream scenario.
And he was doing it all with never stepping on an NFL field before in any
capacity.
So, you know, I think these guys are only going to get better.
It's kind of, I'll circle back to the Malcolm Brown, Cam Akers thing.
If Cam Akers is getting 14 carries in his first start without ever touching the field in an nfl game they're
only going to continue to work him up yeah i get that i'm just but okay so which rookie so in other
words you don't cut them you got to be patient i understand but but we have an exciting waiver wire
week i think a lot of people are going to be excited about getting some of these running
backs but compare rugs to a veteran that we could be. Like, I have Christian Kirk as a potential cut guy, right?
Yeah, that was my next name.
He was miserable.
If you're telling me I have to make the decision
between Henry Ruggs and Christian Kirk,
I'm cutting Christian Kirk.
Of course.
But which rookie wide receivers
would you be willing to cut?
Rager?
Brandon Ayuk?
Well, okay, look, Ayuk's got a good opportunity right now,
but what about Jalen Rager?
Rager you can cut, yes.
Justin Jefferson, like I said,
59% roster. Get rid of him.
What about
Jordan Howard and Matt Breida?
If you have to cut them, you cut them.
Breida more so.
Well, I'd cut Howard
before I said Breida. Would you?
Yes. I don't care that he scored. He's a slug behind a bad offensive line.
Would you cut Howard for...
I'm not excited about either of them.
I'm just bringing up the conversation.
I think I'd cut Brita first if it's half or none.
Would you cut them for Benny Snell?
And a heartbeat.
Oh, yeah.
That's easy.
What about Daryl Henderson, 45%?
Bye.
Leonard Fournette?
No.
I'd hold on to Fournette.
Joe Burrow.
83%.
No.
Okay.
But again, if he's your second quarterback,
it's the same thing you brought up about cutting Fant.
Right.
Different scenario.
It depends on what you have on your team.
I'm cutting Burrow to get good running back depth
and a potential starter for week two.
Carry on Johnson. simple bye carry out
okay okay um all right so who else uh who else were you thinking about dropping this week jamie
like you have some big names on your on your quarterback list carson wenz and matthew stafford
yeah again it's you know as i explained in the story you don't have to do it but you know you're
looking at scenarios where if this offensive line is going to be this bad,
he's facing Aaron Donald this week. Good luck with that. You know, he's going to get murdered
if he doesn't have Lane Johnson back to at least give him some help after what that Washington
defensive line did and what the Rams defense just did a Dak Prescott behind a bad offensive line as
well without Lyle Collins. So I think it's going to be a rough day for Wentz and I'd rather take
my chances with Trubisky this week. If you're just going from week to week based on the quarterback position and the same thing with
Stafford who was able to get his way to 18 fantasy points and should have had a second score um if
DeAndre Swift made a catch but it's not going to be easy for him I think going into Green Bay and
playing that defense which that has a good pass rush and making stuff on him so those are those
are two guys you could potentially move on from. At the running back position,
you mentioned two of them already in carry on
in Jordan Howard.
I'd consider cutting Tevin Coleman.
You know, I don't want to necessarily rush to do that
because of maybe he wasn't playing as much.
That was what was speculated.
I read that on the show yesterday.
The fact that he was still playing.
The Sacramento Bee said, though,
the writer for the Sacramento Bee said
it was likely because
of that yeah i hope so you know but only six six snaps he was out snapped by derrick mckinnon
obviously uh raheem mostar but you see what the the writing's on the wall coleman hasn't been good
for several weeks going back to last season even though they're going to give him opportunities
he's more of a handcuff at this point and he's not necessarily a must hold um in terms of the receivers this is you know some
i don't know huge name guys but you know big enough that you're you know potentially going
to move on from if you have to kirk at 83 percent uh debo samuel just because he's out for three
weeks so if you don't have an ir spot you could probably cut him and then miko hardman at 64
percent you know it's pretty clear he's going to need an injury to be successful.
Just to be clear, Coleman had one great game in the playoffs,
but it's one of his last eight that was even remotely close to saying good.
So, so I just, I don't want to say that he's been bad forever.
He had the one great game, but again,
we've seen what we've seen and the coaches have seen what they've seen and
it would be hard to have Coleman
take Mostert or McKinnon off the field.
All right. So I think we're going to go
a little long today because this is just a busy
waiver wire show. So there
are more names we need to get to. So let's go through the
each position. We could probably go through quarterback fairly
quickly, but quarterbacks
Mitchell Trubisky's got the Giants. Gardner
Minshew's got the Titans. We like Minshew much more long-term than Trubisky's got the Giants. Gardner Minshew's got the Titans.
We like Minshew much more long-term than Trubisky.
Ryan Tannehill, Jacksonville.
Those were the top three for Jamie.
Dave, Minshew or Trubisky this week?
Who would you go with?
Or Tannehill?
I'll take Minshew, Tannehill, Trubisky.
Okay.
And then Kirk Cousins against the Colts,
Garoppolo at the Jets,
Teddy Bridgewater at Tampa Bay. I'll throw
Phillip Rivers' name in there. He did throw 46
passes, and the Vikings
were obviously horrible. I think
this is actually a good matchup for Rivers
because the pass rush for Minnesota,
they did a decent job of getting pressure on
Rodgers, but they couldn't connect with it,
and their secondary is just so bad right now. I think Rivers could end up having a decent week of getting pressure on Rogers, but they couldn't connect with it. Their secondary is just so bad
right now. I think Rivers
could end up having a decent week. I would still rather have
Minshew and Tannehill.
Two quarterback leagues, if
Rivers is available via trade,
you should be able to get him cheap.
Are we starting
Minshew or Trubisky
or Tannehill over Carson
Wentz this week?
I would.
I think I would too,
but I want to see just what the offensive line ends up looking like for Philly
before I lock in something like that.
For now, yes.
How about over Tom Brady?
No.
No.
I don't know.
Just had to ask.
How about over Drew Brees?
No.
At Las Vegas Monday night.
Okay, running backs.
We have, I think, covered this pretty sufficiently.
What do you do if you have Boston Scott?
Hold on to him and hope Miles Sanders is out another week
and that Scott's healthy and is involved more in the passing game.
There's differing reports on what exactly happened to Scott,
that he left the game
then came back but he didn't play once he came back so i don't know if he's hurt um we'll find
out you know as the week unfolds but there's also a report that sanders could return this week
so i mean if you have to drop boston scott for these guys snell hines brown kelly
i wouldn't but you can okay uh mckinnon dave talked about Daryl Williams, Adrian Peterson, Frank Gore,
Miles Gaskin, Peyton Barber,
Carlos Hyde, Corey Clement,
Rex Burkhead.
Their names, they can get you through a week.
Their stopgap options.
Hyde actually had more carries than Chris Carson.
That's troubling.
It's true.
One more.
And Carson needed receiving touchdowns to have a big game.
I don't know what to make of that.
Carson entered the week with three
career receiving touchdowns, and then he caught
two in the first half against Atlanta. You know
what to make of it? You make of it that the Falcons
are going to struggle against pass catching.
I meant the carries. They came on the heels
of Pete Carroll saying that they're going to ride the hot
hand, and neither of them was hot carrying
the ball.
I'd look to sell high
on Chris Carson if he can.
Okay.
Josh Adams, Jalen Samuels. These are
deeply guys. All right. So wide receivers.
If these players are
available, try to add them.
Jamison Crowder, Sterling Shepard,
Preston Williams, although
you're probably not starting Williams this week against Buffalo,
are you?
No.
John Brown.
That one I don't know about, guys.
How confident are you in John Brown?
79% rostered.
He did have 10 targets against the Dolphins this week.
I love John Brown.
I absolutely love John Brown.
Yeah.
The fact that he's now getting the second-best cornerback
and what he's going to do with that speed.
Josh Allen looked really good.
He missed a couple of throws.
I was,
you know,
I don't know if I was going out on a huge limb saying there was going to be
Josh Allen's first career 300 game,
but he had never had a game over 270 yards.
And not only was he great as the start of the week,
but he hit the bold prediction too.
And so if they're going to let him throw as much as they seem to be now,
granted you faced a good run. Yeah. Face the jets though. Face a good run defense. prediction too and so if they're going to let him throw as much as they uh seem to be now granted
you faced a good run face the jets though face a good run defense and a horrible pass defense
we've probably yeah but he's got horrible defense this week but they he he is if you were looking for
a very very very deep dark horse mvp candidate Josh Allen, because they could win the AFC East,
and they could have the Patriots' path to getting to the playoffs
with a first-round buy.
I don't think it's going to happen, but it's there.
He made so many bad –
He missed Dawson Knox on the wide-open touchdown.
He had those two fumbles.
I mean, like –
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But there's a lot to like about this team,
and there's a lot to like about his setup.
They're winning the division.
I'm loving
the Bills. And, you know, kudos
to Ben Gretsch, because if this is Stephon Diggs
every week, he's going to be, he's going to
shatter his ADP. But this, okay, this
is more of a Wednesday show thing. Like, we'll have
to talk about it, but is now the time to sell
high on every Buffalo
Bill, on three Bills, on
Allen, Diggs, and John Brown. We'll talk
about it tomorrow. We'll talk about it. No one's going to give you anything
for John Brown. Sure, but you might
for Diggs and definitely for maybe
for Alan. Sure. Like the fantasy
managers that have Breeze and Brady, they might
be interested. Not to say Alan can't be
great, but you might be able to turn him into
like a slightly worse.
Sure. That was the fact
that he ran. That's that's the cherry on top.
Because if he's going to throw like this
with this amount of volume and still run,
the design runs were there,
he's going to be a top five fantasy quarterback
this keeps up.
Yeah.
Was this his best game of the year?
It might be, but he gets the Jets again.
Okay.
Yeah, he does.
Point taken.
In like six weeks.
Darius Slayton, Sammy Watkins.
And now the Watkins, again,
how confident are you feeling in him?
Was that his best game of the year?
82 yards and a touchdown.
He likes week one.
He does.
But he still plays with Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid.
So I'd like to have that on my team if I can.
If this is what defenses are going to do
each week to the Chiefs,
then he's going to collect a lot of targets underneath.
So are all of these players, Crowder,
Shepard, Preston Williams, John Brown,
Darius Slayton, Sammy Watkins, are they
all better than, say, Anthony Miller,
Robbie Anderson, LaVisca
Chennault, Paris Campbell, etc.?
Yes.
Not Shepard.
Okay.
Maybe not Watkins either.
The waiver wire adds a wide receiver.
The ones we've talked about are Miller,
Chenault, Campbell, Robbie Anderson,
and Mike Williams.
There's also Russell Gage.
The Cowboys, that's his opponent this week.
They were bad against slot receivers last year,
and they just gave up 105 yards to Robert Woods.
So there's Gage.
He's rostered in 2% of leagues.
There's two Packers wide receivers, MVS and Alan Lazard. I there's Gage. He's rostered in 2% of leagues. There's two Packers wide receivers,
MVS and Alan Lazard.
I actually don't know.
Oh yeah, Lazard at 62%.
Nikhil Harry, Scotty Miller,
that's probably for deeper leagues.
Let's talk about Gage, Lazard, and MVS.
And Jamie, how you feel about them?
Well, I mean, you know,
we were excited about Lazard
given his role as the number two receiver for the Packers.
And, you know, this is validation of that.
The fact that they only had six targets
is a little bit of a concern.
I'm sorry, four targets, right?
For who, Lazard?
Yeah.
And the NFL six?
Four targets.
Four targets, yeah.
But the game might end around, you know,
I think you're going to see Aaron Rodgers
is clearly going to lean on Devontae Adams.
But, you know, the way that Rodgers looked
is the best thing about Lazard and MVS.
He looked awesome.
And, you know, hopefully that's a sign of things to come
that LaFleur lets him do this.
It's only the third time under LaFleur
that he's had 40 or more pass attempts.
One of those was at Minnesota last year
when they were chasing points.
But I think this is a positive sign.
So you want pieces of this offense if you can get it.
And Lazard clearly is rostered in too many leagues.
But MBS, this was a guy that they were excited about last year.
He didn't deliver.
They were excited about him again this year.
And he had a bad drop, should have had another touchdown.
Could have had over 100 yards, about 130, looking at where the throw was.
So you're buying Aaron Rodgers at this point,
and it's not a bad idea to take a flyer on MVS.
He's not a must-add by any stretch,
but he's certainly somebody that you can put on the end of your bench
if you're excited about the way Rodgers plays.
He's in the same mold as Deshaun Jackson, Henry Ruggs,
and all these other – Robbie Anderson.
Well, I think Robbie might be better.
I know that the Robbie of the past would be the same guy,
and I'd probably be more excited about MVS with the Packers
than Robbie Anderson with the Jets.
But I just think that the offense that Anderson's in now
gives him an opportunity to get more targets,
and we saw that last week.
MVS was so up and down.
Don't change the touchdown.
The touchdown was for you.
I agree, but I think the target share is interesting,
and that's why I'm interested in Robbie
Anderson, and this is a Panthers team that's going to
chase points every single week.
And don't forget that the Packers at their
core are
a run-heavy type
of team. They didn't
end up being that way in week one. Maybe they don't
end up being that way at all, and we're just way off on that.
But MVS, he's interesting,
but I wouldn't count on him to do what he did
every single week.
Packers get the Lions this week, and the Lions
we'll see if Okuda plays, but they were without
him, and they lost two
defensive backs to injury during the game.
Trufant and their slot corner
Coleman. Thank you.
Last question on wide receivers. Would you rather
have a Packers wide receiver or Corey
Davis?
Packers.
A.J. Brown was miserable in that game last night.
Right, but I don't think that's going to be the one.
Could this be it?
Dave, what's your answer?
What's your answer?
I will say Corey Davis over Lazard and MBS.
Okay.
And if I'm wrong, hopefully one of those two will be on the waiver wire
for me to collect
when Corey Davis starts to suck like he did
for the first four years of his career.
Three years?
Four years.
It seems like he's been in the league eight years.
All right, we'll finish with tight ends here.
Noah Fant is 84% rostered, but get him if you can.
Hawkinson and Goddard are the prizes.
What about Gasicki? How does he measure up can hawkinson and goddard are the prizes what about
gaseki how does he measure up with hawkinson and goddard gaseki had a miserable game in a miserable
matchup but he still ran a ton of routes and now you have parker missing time so he's in the same
boat as herndon you don't have to play him this week in another tough matchup against buffalo but
i'd like to have him on my roster i still think there's a ton of upside for Gusecki moving forward.
You'll get Hawkinson, you'll get Goddard,
Logan Thomas for this week,
Chris Herndon, not necessarily for this week,
Mike Kosicki, not necessarily for this week.
Do you have any interest in Jimmy Graham against the Giants, Greg Olson against
the Patriots, O.J. Howard against Carolina,
Jordan Akins against Baltimore?
Graham is interesting.
They've been raving about him this off season in Chicago.
And the fact that he should have had two touchdowns, that he was, you know, right there in terms
of targets with, he was second on the team in targets beyond Robinson ahead of Anthony
Miller.
So they're going to use him, you know, and as long as his, uh, you know, broken bones
can hold up and stay on the field in deeper leagues, it's not bad to take a flyer on him
because the Giants defense is bad.
They did a good job on Ebron, but you know, we'll see how, uh, how,
how Graham does. I don't want to have to start Jimmy Graham,
but if I'm stuck, you know,
if I'm in a 14 team league and I just lost Blake Jarwin,
that's not a bad pivot play over. I take him over Olson, for example,
who, you know, could start to lose targets to will this leave in the Olson
score.
Also good start. Jimmy Graham, 3.6 yards per target.
Yeah. You need a
touchdown out of him.
Every week? Against the Giants? Sure.
He's a streamer this week, but
for the most part,
no.
Alright.
That's cool. What about
Jack Doyle against Minnesota? Drop him?
It's a tough matchup for him.
Rivers was lamenting after the game
that he should have hit him for a touchdown.
He was kind of open on a play
where Rivers threw elsewhere and missed his guy.
So maybe he tries and makes amends for that this week,
but it's a much harder matchup this week
than it was last week.
I'll say in mega deep leagues
or maybe tight end
premium leagues,
Dalton Schultz figures
to replace Jarwin.
He got four targets.
I don't know if he's going
to end up getting
the same type of volume
that we definitely
not going to do that.
But I'm just saying,
you know,
maybe 70% of it.
I wouldn't be surprised
if they bring in some guys,
you know,
maybe Delaney Walker,
for example.
I don't know who else is on the street,
but you know,
they could be looking at a tight end.
Yeah.
DST is Titans,
Packers,
Cardinals,
kickers,
Boswell,
Crosby suck up.
That's it for this marathon waiver wire show.
Hope it was helpful.
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