Fantasy Football Today - Waiver Wire! Hines, Snell, Kelley and More (09/15 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: September 15, 2020

We've got four RBs who will garner a lot of attention on the waiver wire this week. How should you prioritize Nyheim Hines, Benny Snell, Joshua Kelley and Malcolm Brown? And what if James Robinson is ...also available (8:50)? We'll also talk Dallas Goedert (12:00), sort out the top waiver wire priorities, discuss FAB strategies (15:15) and give you the big news (23:18) on Michael Thomas, Phillip Lindsay and many more ... Top 3 priorities at each position: QB (28:00), RB (29:50), WR (32:55), TE (36:15), DST (37:50) and K (38:40). Are we trusting Mitchell Trubisky this week? Parris Campbell or Anthony Miller? Goedert or T.J. Hockenson? ... Recapping the Monday Night Football games (40:40), telling you who to drop (45:30) and then giving you even more waiver wire names (53:00) like Allen Lazard and Jimmy Graham ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Listen to the brand new Fantasy Football Today in 5 podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-in-5/id1528634304 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @YardsPerGretch, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:16 Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben. Oh, man. It's going to be a long night setting those waiver claims, getting those fab bids in. Welcome to the show, our first Waiver Wire episode of the season, and we've got some really exciting running backs, some big opportunities here. Hopefully though, the injuries to James Conner and Phillip Lindsey are not too severe.
Starting point is 00:01:43 I'm Adam Azer with Dave Richard and Jamie Eisenberg. I'd like to celebrate a new round of friendship with Dave Richard. You know, on Friday morning, I was really mad because I sat Sammy Watkins, but he told me to start Darius Slayton over Sammy Watkins. So, Dave, you and I are back, baby. Sorry, friend request not accepted. Oh, come on. Nope.
Starting point is 00:02:04 You went in on me really really bad off the air on text i could read the text to everybody but i think we'd get the explicit tag on the podcast yeah i don't think the executives would laugh ben shraggy b would not like it at all so uh sorry next time you ask me for fantasy, I'm going to say, go to Heath, go to Jamie, go to Ben. Sorry. Well, are you going to give me waiver wire advice today? I'm going to give everybody else waiver wire advice, not you. I will mute
Starting point is 00:02:33 my speakers. You have to leave the podcast. Jamie! What's up, bro? Steven Gostkowski. Yeah. Thankfully for him, you that kick would you would you cut him anyway uh i probably would not but i'd bring in people to uh audition for the job just in case this is a problem uh ross tucker tweeted that his contract is fully guaranteed for the year he's a vested veteran so even if
Starting point is 00:03:05 he gets cut i have to pay him yeah so i'm not sure they're cutting him but uh fantasy managers might i think he was started in eight percent of leagues and i did see he like won someone a league on that last kick somebody sent me a screenshot so pretty exciting stuff and uh week one is in the books all right who are your are your. So we'll recap the Monday night games. This is how waiver wire works. We're going to start off with our just top priorities right out of the gate and a little bit. We'll give names at each position and then later in the show, really dive in and we'll talk about a lot of names at each position. But let's talk about top three waiver wire priorities. Jamie, who would they be i'm gonna give you four because they're the four best and it's benny snell this is the order benny snell naheem hines malcolm brown and joshua kelly and that's in ppr in non-ppr or half ppr i would put brown ahead of hines but ppr i don't think it's close for me with hines ahead of malcolm brown, so Dave, your top four then? Same four? Same three.
Starting point is 00:04:08 Top three are definitely the same. Snell, number one, regardless of format. Hines, number two. PPR, half PPR. Brown, number three. And then Dallas Goddard. He deserves it. He's on the same catch pace as Naheem Hines.
Starting point is 00:04:19 They're both going to end up right now with, what is it, 128 catches? Something like that. That's what they're on pace for. Anybody that's on pace for on pace for that yeah sure you can have a spot on my fantasy bench so when you look at snell versus heinz and even snell versus malcolm brown or josh kelly uh the steelers are apparently optimistic that this is not a long-term injury so why would he be the number one option here when we know Hines? It's well, we don't know what his role will be, but it seems like he's going to have a role rest of season.
Starting point is 00:04:52 The way that I phrased it in writing the column is if you want to avoid the Steelers mess, you know, that Hines is locked into his job. So I totally get it. If you want to go Hines first and on HQ on Monday and looking at an early look at the waiver wire Chris Towers and Heath Cummings both made the case that Malcolm Brown should be the top running back added because he has the lead job for the Rams right now and you know he's going to get carries as opposed to Hines who may not get more than seven or eight carries on a weekly basis so I can get why you may want to flip the order totally around you know So I think all three of these guys are certainly
Starting point is 00:05:28 interesting, but if I'm just looking at it from the standpoint of who can win me a week in week two, and then maybe at some point down the road, win me another week. I think Benny Snell has the highest ceiling of that group. And so Connor, unfortunately is dealing with another injury after two years of being injured. And the fact that he couldn't come in when he was still on the sideline, you know, I don't know what the deal is. I don't want to speculate on how bad his ankle injury is, but if it's a high ankle sprain and we find out, you know, on, on Tuesday afternoon, it could be several weeks. So I, for me, I'm going to go with Snell uh he looked awesome he didn't have any involvement in the passing game which was troubling but I think all three of those guys and the only reason I put
Starting point is 00:06:11 Kelly in the same category with them is if something happens to Austin Eckler Kelly's gonna be an absolute monster so I want all four of those guys a piece of all four of those guys if I can get it but Snell for me is the top priority to get just looking at what he could be for the Steelers offense when you saw Connor on the sideline did you see him at any point with his helmet they didn't show him until the second half so no they showed him once in the first half and he had his helmet on okay so maybe there was some speculation that maybe it wasn't an ankle or just an ankle and that maybe it was something else um who knows but if they say ankle sure we'll go with it i i agree 100 jamie i i'm thinking about
Starting point is 00:06:52 long-term staying power and naheem hines is going to be what he's going to be i don't think he'll ever be the every down guy for indianapolis if something were to happen to taylor but i i do think that the steelers have seen what they've seen. They saw James Conner get out of the gate slow, and then he got hurt. And they've got to think that that's, you know, how can he be the bell cow rest of the season when he's already been hurt in the first half of one football game? And then they saw Benny Snell do what he did, running behind the same offensive line. He looked great. So I think at worst, Snell's in a tandem spot now,
Starting point is 00:07:25 and he might end up being the best back in Pittsburgh. And he had five games with 16 or more carries last year, so they show they will go to him. But he had, I think, only three catches in those games. So you've got, you know,
Starting point is 00:07:38 basically somebody who's completely uninvolved in the passing game. Jalen Samuels wasn't involved in the passing game yesterday either, so I'm not sure that... But he was on passing downs, though. He was the one that they used in the passing game. Jalen Samuels wasn't involved in the passing game yesterday either, so I'm not sure that... But he was on passing downs, though. He was the one that they used in obvious passes.
Starting point is 00:07:49 He didn't do a lot with it, but he was the one on the field. Whereas Malcolm Brown was involved in the passing game. So, I don't know. It's just interesting. It's like, talk about staying power. I am surprised to hear you guys both take Benny Snell number one. Because if Conor's back, he's not going away. You can take Brown first I I have no problem if somebody wants to take Malcolm Brown first but if you just follow what the reports were this offseason that they're eventually going to turn the job over to Cam Akers and the fact that he still got 14 carries in this game yeah I think
Starting point is 00:08:18 that's a sign that they want to work him up and get him close to being ready to go to eventually take over that job so I don't know how long Brown will be like this, playing like this, doing what he did. He was fantastic over four yards per carry. Like you said, the three catches was great to see. I don't think Dallas is run defense is going to be very good, especially with Vander Esch and they'll leave him the game. So if that's the best indication of how good he can be, we'll find out. But I think again,
Starting point is 00:08:43 long-term is what you should be thinking as well as just week two and so malcolm brown may not be the lead rusher for the rams for a several week span yeah well long term is it fair to say that naeem hines has the clearest long-term outlook yes right yes yes okay um and i basically i mean is it fair to say Naeem Hines is basically Tariq Cohen? Maybe with some more carries? You know what he could be, which is what we said prior to the NFL draft, when they got Phillip Rivers. He could be Austin Eckler. Yeah, I guess so.
Starting point is 00:09:17 They've said it. He's on pace for 128 catches. I've been saying all along 70 because he averaged 54 catches in his first two years. So 70 was kind of the number I was looking at for him with Phillip Rivers. I mean, he may shatter that. If this defense is as bad as it looked against Jacksonville, he may shatter that. Well, hopefully it isn't that bad. Yeah, Hines, and they played a couple games without Marlon Mack last year.
Starting point is 00:09:43 Hines had nine carries in one of those games. He had four carries and a rushing touchdown in another one of those games. Oddly enough, he only had two catches in those two games, but it's a different offense with a different quarterback who throws to his running back all the time. What if James Robinson, who is rostered in 69% of leagues, is available? Where would you put him? And I'll give Jamie's priorities again.
Starting point is 00:10:02 In PPR, it was Snell, Hines, Malcolm Brown, Kelly. In non-PPR. It was Snell Hines, Malcolm Brown, Kelly in non PPR. It was Snell Brown, Hines, Kelly. If James Robinson is out there, what do you do first? Yep.
Starting point is 00:10:14 Yeah. He's first. I mean, he, he, he had a good game. It wasn't like, you know,
Starting point is 00:10:19 blow your mind. Good game against the Colts. But the fact that he had every, every carry for the Jaguars and was involved in the passing game that shows you how much they like this kid. And so we'll find out what they're going to eventually do with right call Armstead and a divine Osigbo, you know, when those guys are healthy and ready to go, but there's a chance Armstead may not play anytime soon. And Osigbo who knows how that ankle is going to, you know, recover. So I think
Starting point is 00:10:45 you're looking at Robinson as the guy for the Jaguars and the last couple of weeks, you know, once they got rid of Fournette, that's all we've heard is how much they like this kid. What if Sonny Michel is available? He's 80% rostered. Nah, I would put him behind. I'd put him behind all those other guys, you know, maybe ahead of Kelly, if you need somebody to play right away, just because, you know, he'll get guaranteed touches, but I'd rather have Kelly personally. Guys, it's going to be a really tough week to set your priority.
Starting point is 00:11:12 You're going to have so much FOMO, and there are going to be a ton of players that you want because you know in some of your leagues a guy like Jameson Crowder might be available or Darius Slayton might be available even though they're rostered in 80 ish percent of leagues. Right. And then, and then there's the Paris Campbell and the viscous Chenault, and there's Dallas Goddard. And maybe you even want to stream Logan Thomas this week and,
Starting point is 00:11:34 and all these running backs. And then you've got the Josh Adams of the world and the miles Gaskins of the world where it's like, yeah, you know, for gas is like, okay, he's probably not going to be the dolphinsphins starting running back, but maybe he will be. It's three solid games in a row for him dating back to last year. Respectable games. So players that sort of need to be rostered
Starting point is 00:11:54 just to see where it goes. I don't know. I mean, we get a few weeks every year where it's like the waiver wires loaded. The waiver wires loaded right now, isn't it? No? The waiver wires is loaded this week. The star quality at wide receiver is not there unless the guys that you mentioned are available around the 80% range.
Starting point is 00:12:14 So the Anthony Millers, Chenaults, the Campbells of the world, they're not going to necessarily draw as much attention as the four running backs we talked about, Goddard, those kinds of players because of what either they've shown you in the past or the ability that they have after what you saw in week one so that's the difference between those type of moves you could be making but i do think you're going to see some scenarios week two and beyond where you're like oh my god i could have picked up campbell or i could have picked up chanel for basically nothing. And I missed out on that because I didn't make a second waiver claim
Starting point is 00:12:47 or a third waiver claim or a third fab move to drop somebody who you may be hanging on to. And again, you don't want to overreact to week one. So like the guys that I listed to drop, there's some big name players there, but you just have to sort of gauge what your roster looks like and what the upside versus the downside of some of these scenarios can be. And listen, we've got a Twitch stream tonight at eight o'clock PM Eastern twitch.com slash FF today. Um, we might get some more injury
Starting point is 00:13:14 information by that point. Things might change a little bit. So hop on there, ask us your questions. It'll be Jamie and I on Twitch. Uh, it will be me and Jamie on Twitch. Excuse me. Twitch.com slash FFToday, 8 p.m. Eastern until 9 p.m. And we'll rock and roll. It'll be a lot of fun. Dave, you mentioned Dallas Goddard. So, yeah, go ahead. Discuss. I think that he's going to be a benefactor of Philadelphia
Starting point is 00:13:44 not being able to run the football. And I'm starting to wonder if theyactor of Philadelphia not being able to run the football. And I'm starting to wonder if they're not going to be able to run the football effectively very often this year, given the state of their O-line. I like the Lane Johnson's coming back. That'll help them. But they used him a hell of a lot, and they were playing from behind. And it looks like he's going to be an integral part of what they do. So happy to spend a waiver claim on him,
Starting point is 00:14:05 certainly ahead of those wide receivers that we're talking about, minus the 80 percenters. And yeah, PPR for sure, non-PPR. He's going to get eyeballs. There are going to be some unhappy campers with what they got out of some tight ends off the waiver wire this week, or out of the draft. And they might go to replace Goddard with them. And I't blame them what if hawkinson's available too because that's another guy that my 67 rostered and you're thinking wow i don't want to miss the breakout here
Starting point is 00:14:33 of the second year guy he would be he would be right behind goddard okay if you ask me they're really close there's two things that play with both those guys. And clearly it's going to, you know, determine what happens when somebody comes back for Hawkinson, the best receiver was missing for Detroit. So, you know, we'll see how Galladay's return impacts him. And then for the Eagles, look,
Starting point is 00:14:55 they, for whatever reason, didn't play Deshaun Jackson a lot. I don't know why, you know, Doug Peterson was trying to spin it yesterday that, you know, that was just the plan going in his snap count,
Starting point is 00:15:03 but Alshon could return at some point as well. And then I think we got to find out how they're going to operate. You know, they still going to go with these two tight end sets. Is he going to play ahead of Ertz? You know, is, is the contract that play, you know, do they not want to pay Zach Ertz because Dallas Goddard is so good and it's the passing of the torch a little bit. You know, if in fact Goddard can just do what Zach Ertz does from a production
Starting point is 00:15:22 standpoint, that's probably a minor thing, you know, because the Eagles need to win. But I think you're going to see, and Dave hit on this, if Lane Johnson's back, this offensive line looks dramatically different. They're not going to be as beat up as they were, where Carson Wentz was running for his life and getting eight sacks. And they're obviously not going to face a defensive front like they faced against Washington,
Starting point is 00:15:38 which is going to be a problem for a lot of teams based on how they got after Wentz and took apart that offensive line as well. So I think Goddard's going to be good. I don't know if he's going to be this good, but he was a top 10 tight end last year, so it's hard to overlook the way he performed now over a 17-game span going back to the start of 2019. Yeah, and it's six or more targets for Goddard
Starting point is 00:15:56 in eight straight games going back to last year. He's great. Well, but he wasn't. That's the thing. He wasn't actually that great. He was a little disappointed. I have to say, he was very disappointed considering all the targets. And when he got like eight to ten targets, wasn't actually that great. He was a little disappointed. I have to say, he was very disappointed considering all the targets.
Starting point is 00:16:06 When he got eight to ten targets, yeah, he was great, and he got nine targets at Washington. We'll see. Carson Wentz continues to throw a ton. That's like eight games in a row or something with 40 or more pass attempts, but maybe Miles Sanders coming back
Starting point is 00:16:21 would change that. We shall see. Obviously, Goddard's going to be popular and with good reason. So let's talk about Fab, your free agent budget here. How much for whom? I don't see myself spending a lot for anybody because there isn't a slam dunk. And because Snell, Hines, and Brown are all going to be available, I think if you put in somewhere close to the same amount for each of the three,
Starting point is 00:16:49 you've got a good chance of getting one of them. Which is what, you think? 30%? No. You're getting shut out. You are definitely getting shut out. Okay, that's fine with me because none of these three are for sure starters the rest of the way well it depends what you need i mean you know obviously for the connor owner or connor manager you know
Starting point is 00:17:09 you're going to look to spend probably a little bit more on snell you're going to look to spend a little bit more if you're the marlin mac fantasy manager you know anybody that lost somebody significant is going to go a little bit more aggressive with their fab because they want to make sure they have a starter or flex or whatever the case may be if your roster is depleted and and format size matters you know uh 14 team league 16 team leagues guys don't become available like this if they are on the free agent wire but on the waiver wire but i think you're looking at it as i'm i'm with dave you know the way that i wrote it was uh you know around 20 you know i i just think there's
Starting point is 00:17:40 no um your roster really is going to determine it. I mean, that's just the way to look at it. We're going to be in a lot of leagues where somebody spends 30%, 40% just because they, A, don't know how to use their FAB budget the right way because they're doing it for the first time, or, B, they just got decimated by injuries and you want to sort of salvage your fantasy season before it goes south. I'll go against you just a little bit, because I'll push back on that.
Starting point is 00:18:05 I think that I compared, you know, Chris Towers had us fill out a week two survey last night. Chris Towers, you know, authors our newsletter. You should sign up for that, cbssports.com slash newsletters. It's free, goes right to your inbox. And one of the questions, you know, is about waiver wire, obviously. And I compared Malcolm Brown to Jordan Howard last year.
Starting point is 00:18:26 And this assumption that Cam Akers is just... Well, you say that, but this assumption that Cam Akers is just going to take the job. But Cam Akers, he made a lot of men miss, and he was probably better than his numbers. But his overall numbers were much worse than Malcolm Brown's. They obviously trust Malcolm Brown. Daryl Henderson is an X factor here because I think maybe he gets more carries, more work when he's further removed from the injury. Maybe, but he's clearly third.
Starting point is 00:18:53 Absolutely, but he could throw a wrench in the plans. But what I'm saying is we assumed Miles Sanders would take the job from Jordan Howard, and he never did, not until Howard got hurt. So that opportunity, you have to at least look at that as a possibility for Malcolm Brown. And if he's their goal line guy, with the tendency they've shown to run the ball near the goal line, and if he's going to lead them in catches,
Starting point is 00:19:19 I don't know if he will, but he did in week one. Like 15%, that seems low to me. And I was thinking 30% for these guys, especially like if we just said that Tariq Cohen and that Naeem Hines is Tariq Cohen and could have 70 catches, how are you not spending 30% of your budget on Naeem Hines and a PPR?
Starting point is 00:19:35 The reason you're not spending 30% of your budget is you don't know the next guy that's going to come along in two weeks and you don't want to be without some free agent money to spend. You know, that's part of it. You have to balance your budget. It's like any sort of shopping that you do.
Starting point is 00:19:48 But we – okay, I'm sorry to interrupt you. We had really good players in week one. Like Terry McLaurin was out there in week one. This is your opportunity to get someone for a full season at Naeem Hines. Yes, and this is the decisions you have to make. I'm trying to think of a guy week one last year that went off that we said has been big on and was disappointing, you know? So there's probably a couple of examples of those. Oh, I'll tell you. So I think you just have
Starting point is 00:20:12 to, you know, gauge it. And that's why I was kind of saying like, you know, everybody's roster is different. You know, if you just lost Mac and he was somebody that you're counting on as a flex option, or you just, you know, now we're down James Conner for maybe a couple of weeks or Philip Lindsay for a couple of weeks, you don't have Kenny Galladay who knows for how long Cortland Sutton, same thing. You know, you're going to make some different moves. Dallas Goddard could be a starting tight end for, you know, the rest of the season as he was again, finishing as a top 10 guy last year. So every scenario is, is different for every league and a 14 team league and a 16 team league, they're going to spend more because these guys don't
Starting point is 00:20:44 become available as often. So it's just different. You know, I don't think you should just go blowing your free agent budget on a guy in Malcolm Brown who could be replaced by cam makers or Benny Snell may, you know, not have a starting job next week because James Connor is healthy and we know what Pittsburgh's track record is when they go with one running back. So there's, there's lots of things that play here. Yes, Hines may be this guy all season long
Starting point is 00:21:07 as the Tariq Cohen, James White type of player. And if Jonathan Taylor goes down, he could be even better. So there's a lot of things that play here. So it's not a bad idea to get these guys. It's not a bad idea if you have such an affinity for them to spend as much as you think you need to spend. But two weeks from now, Darrell Williams may be dropped in a lot of leagues and he could be the starter for the chiefs if claude edwards salera goes down and you don't have enough free agent budget to go get that type of guy and there's 28 other examples of that around the nfl that could happen so really i i think we've laid out the case for everybody adam where if you if you have
Starting point is 00:21:39 just you've totally bought into to brown or snell or hz. And you know, your league, if you don't think 15 or 20% is enough, then go for it, man. It's your fab. And then these guys will be yours for the rest of the season. But Heinz, particularly what happens if Phillip rivers goes down and he's 38 years old. I'm not playing that game.
Starting point is 00:21:57 I don't know. I'm not playing that game. Okay. That's the thing. We don't have a guy at running back this week that we can say nothing's stopping him. True. Okay.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Like, James Robinson is that guy. Like, nothing's stopping James Robinson from being the lead guy. How much fab on James Robinson? He's a 30% guy. Okay. Yeah. If you were to say right now, like, if we get news by the middle of the day,
Starting point is 00:22:25 James Conner tore a ligament in his ankle and was out for six weeks. Oh, yeah. Benny Snell is a 60% guy at minimum. At minimum. So there's different things at play here. If Sean McVay said, Malcolm Brown impressed me so much,
Starting point is 00:22:40 this is our guy for the rest of the season, then he becomes a 30% guy. Okay. So you want to take a trip down memory lane? I'm looking at our Waver Wire rest of the season. Then he becomes a 30% guy. Okay. So you want to take a trip down memory lane? I'm looking at our waiver wire show from last year. Okay. All right. This should be fun.
Starting point is 00:22:51 Go ahead. So the thing is, a lot of the guys that we had as top priorities were rostered in like 70 to 77% of leagues. TJ Hawkinson had that huge game. That was a waste of fab money. Tyrell Williams, he was 77% rostered, but he gave you
Starting point is 00:23:05 some good weeks before his injury. Austin Hooper was 76% rostered. Mark Andrews was 73% rostered. So those were like the high end guys. A little bit deeper. Let's see. Josh Allen, 58%. Matthew Stafford, 45%. At running back, Giovanni Bernard was our top priority because Joe Mixon got hurt in week one and didn't miss any games. Chris Thompson, waste of money. Ronald Jones, waste of money. Bad running backs. Carlos Hyde.
Starting point is 00:23:37 Well, that was a good one. Carlos Hyde, 58% at that point. Malcolm Brown, Raheem Mostert. I don't know why we said Malcolm Brown. Oh, Malcolm Brown, last year too, huh? Raheem Mostert was too early on that point. Malcolm Brown, Raheem Mostert. I don't know why we said Malcolm Brown. Oh, Malcolm Brown, last year too, huh? Raheem Mostert was too early on that one. Alexander Madison, Ido Smith, Mike Davis, etc. Yeah, but there were some good names.
Starting point is 00:23:54 So it sounds like a bunch of crap in Raheem Mostert. At running back. No, and Mostert was crap because he didn't do anything for 10 more weeks. John Brown, Jamison Crowder, Marquise Brown, DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin.
Starting point is 00:24:12 Pretty good players there. You know, we've barely talked about receivers to pick up. And I am getting Paris Campbell. Well, I have him in
Starting point is 00:24:20 every league, but if I don't, I'm going to get Paris Campbell. I agree. Yeah. Who? Yeah. All right. We to get Ferris Campbell. Trey BN. Yeah, all right. We'll get to our favorites. Let's go through just a few news and notes.
Starting point is 00:24:29 Well, actually, a lot of news and notes. Michael Thomas is going to try to play through a high ankle sprain, guys. What are your thoughts there? He plays, you start him. Yep. We talked about this on yesterday's show, me and Schrager and Towers, the bi-week replacements. We were talking about who we'd trade him for.
Starting point is 00:24:48 He's no worse, we thought, than wide receiver three. Maybe you'd get Devante Adams for him if you could. You'd maybe get Julio. How about you guys? That's it, though. Tyreek, maybe? I think now's the time to try and see how the Michael Thomas fantasy manager feels about him. Right.
Starting point is 00:25:04 Uh-oh, he's damaged goods. Why don't you give them to me and I'll give you Stefan Diggs and someone else in my guillotine league, the manager. And it's all fantasy. I won't, I won't name names to embarrass anybody, but the fantasy manager with Michael Thomas got chopped. Oh no. Would you rather have Jonathan Taylor
Starting point is 00:25:26 or Michael Thomas rest of season? Thomas. Taylor. The thing is, Taylor's probably going to catch some passes, right? Why not back at three catches before he got hurt? Two or three. It's the Philip Rivers effect, baby. Don't get cute.
Starting point is 00:25:39 Michael Thomas is better than Jonathan Taylor. He is, but he's got a high angle spread. If we were, I guess if we were redrafting today, a healthy Thomas would go ahead of Taylor. He is. He's got a high angle spread. If we were, I guess if we were redrafting today, a healthy Thomas would go ahead of Taylor. But if we know that Thomas is banged up, we know it.
Starting point is 00:25:52 And he didn't have a great game. Yeah, well, Jonathan Taylor. Give me a Heath sigh for that one, please. Give me a Heath sigh for that one, please. Damn, I didn't have
Starting point is 00:25:59 it queued up, Jamie. I'm sorry. What did you say? Give you a what? A Heath sigh. That one is so weird. What did you say? Give you a what? A Heath sigh. That one is so weird. Who makes this noise? So weird.
Starting point is 00:26:11 Jonathan Taylor, yeah. Nine carries, 22 yards. Shouldn't be overlooked, but he did have six catches for 67 yards. Okay. Phillip Lindsay, mild turf toe. Horrible schedule coming up for Melvin Gordon. Probably something we should talk about tomorrow. Steelers
Starting point is 00:26:28 box of Jets next three games. James Connor ankle. Didn't talk about it. So mild, mild interest in Royce Freeman and Jalen Samuels. Deep leagues. The deepest of deep. Yeah. Freeman almost punched in the touchdown there at the end. Gordon
Starting point is 00:26:43 came on the court. Pittsburgh right tackle Zach Banner hurt his knee. Blake Jarwin tore the ACL, which sucks. George Kittle hurt his knee, and he may not play this week at the Jets. Brandon Ayuk expected to play this week, though. Miles Sanders, decent chance to play this week against the Rams. Le'Veon Bell is going to be out a few weeks with a hamstring injury. He's got the Niners.
Starting point is 00:27:04 Devontae Parker, hamstring injury. Do we know if he is going to play this week? Do we have an update on Parker? It sounds like he could miss some time. Okay. They got the Bills this week, unfortunately, but then it gets a little easier. Jacksonville in week three. Preston Williams is rostered in 80% of CBS leagues.
Starting point is 00:27:19 Deshaun Jackson, his snap count will increase each week. David Ajoku's on IR with a knee injury. So if you're thinking about dropping Austin Hooper, should we wait? They get Cincinnati and then Washington and Dallas and no Njoku. Yes, you wait.
Starting point is 00:27:33 Unless he's... If he's clearly the worst player on your bench and you're good at tight end, then you can make the move. But you don't have to spike cut him. Okay. AJ Boye, Denver cornerback.
Starting point is 00:27:47 He got hurt in the second quarter. They're falling apart. Yeah, they sure are. Every year. It sucks. They should have won the game, though. Yes, they should have. Can you say that
Starting point is 00:27:56 when the other team missed four kicks? Or was it three? Four kicks. Extra point and three field goals? I can say that when they were down, arguably their best
Starting point is 00:28:03 offensive player, they were down their best defensive player, and they had just injuries all throughout the game. Yes. And Ryan Fitzpatrick is going to start at Buffalo or against Buffalo, but when you have to say that Ryan Fitzpatrick is going to start, that means you've got quarterback issues.
Starting point is 00:28:19 Well, that's going to be a question for every Miami game whenever they lose. If he plays badly. I mean, even if he doesn't play bad. They're waiting for Tua. There's going to be a question for every Miami game whenever they lose. If he plays badly. This question. I mean, even if he doesn't play bad. Yeah. They're waiting for Tua. And the minute that the Chargers lose, it's going to be the same question there.
Starting point is 00:28:31 Yeah. Now I talk about a team that should have won a game. By the way, did you buy that calf cramp for the Bengals kicker? Did you think he was kind of... Yes and no. He makes the kick, the cramp doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:45 I didn't buy those two pass interference calls, though. Which ones? Gallup, Crabbe. The Gallup one. Yeah. I thought it was interference on Green. Ramsey did a great acting job.
Starting point is 00:28:57 I didn't think Ramsey played that well. What did you guys think? Right? I agree. Yeah. Okay, top three at each position. Let's get some names going here. Then we'll recap Sunday or Monday night football.
Starting point is 00:29:09 Do the drop-o-meter and then give you a bunch of names later in the show. If you want to give more than three names, go for it. But who are the quarterbacks we're looking at? Oh, it's a stellar list. Mitchell Trubisky, Gardner Minshew, and Ryan Tannehill. Okay. No Burrow, huh? No.
Starting point is 00:29:26 Taking on the Browns this week if you're streaming? I don't mind. What's that? He's at 83% roster. Oh, that's why there's no Burrow. My bad. Trubisky, Minshew, and Tannehill, you said? Trubisky, Minshew, Tannehill.
Starting point is 00:29:40 I mean, just what you thought when the season started that you would be looking at these three guys as streaming options. Now, thankfully, I don't think you have to use these three because there's no major injuries and not a lot of awful matchups. But I would start all three over Carson Wentz and Matthew Stafford if they're top guys, offensive line and running back for Wentz and Galladay not there for Stafford. Tannehill threw more yesterday than he did all of last year in any game. Any single game. Trubisky's got the Giants. Ooh, stink. But you say Minshew in like this, oh, Gardner Minshew way,
Starting point is 00:30:15 but if Heath were here, he'd be like, and he'd be like, what's up with that? Well, I mean, this Titans defense is good. Okay. But is Minshew not like a long-term play here? Not somebody you want on your roster? He said this, and I firmly agree. It's like pitting two of Heath's kids against each other because we know how much he likes Trubisky as well.
Starting point is 00:30:33 So I asked him yesterday on the show, Trubisky or Minshew, and he said Trubisky for a week, two, Minshew for the season, which I'm in total agreement with. Yeah, Minshew... Tannehill against the Jaguars last year went for 36 fantasy
Starting point is 00:30:45 points minshu has uh the titans this week and then the dolphins the bangles and the texans and the lions yep and then a bye week yeah okay running backs we've covered we've um so benny snell and i am heinz malcolm brown joshua Kelly. Who are a few more names, Dave, that you'd be looking at at running back? I'd look at Jerick McKinnon in PPR leagues. He'd be a potential fallback guy for Hines. Obviously not as sexy as Hines, but it was good to see him play
Starting point is 00:31:15 and it was good to see him score. And this is going to be gross, but Adrian Peterson was the most productive yardage and carry guy for Detroit and carry on Johnson just stinks. I'm sorry. He's not good. I think Adrian Peterson is going to continue to
Starting point is 00:31:34 be the 1A and Swift will probably end up being the 1B. Yeah, it's a good matchup at Green Bay. I bet everybody would be more excited about Swift if he had caught that touchdown to win the game for the Lions, but he still barely had touches in the game. See, this is the type of thing you want the other people
Starting point is 00:31:51 in your fantasy league to do. Chase Adrian Peterson, Chase Peyton Barber, Chase Frank Gore. They're all going to be terrible, and if you're looking for just an under-the-radar guy to pick up, I'm going to say it again. He's a little bit higher-owned or rostered than you would like, but still pick up Daryl Williams, especially if he gets dropped because you saw what they did with Edward
Starting point is 00:32:14 Solaire. And you'd rather have the starting running back for the chiefs in week five, should something happen to Edward Solaire than the starting running back for the lions, the jets, or in this case, the Washington football team for now, based on what those guys are going to get touches.
Starting point is 00:32:28 I don't want Adrian Peterson on my team. I don't want Frank Gore on my team. I don't want Peyton Barber on my team. I don't care what they're going to do. They're not going to help you win a week. What about Myles Gaskin? Myles Gaskin is certainly more interesting than those guys, but I'd be shocked if they go into week two and not give Jordan Howard and Matt Breida more work.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Because Gaskin outplayed those guys, not just the production, but the playing time was ridiculous in terms of how they used those other two guys. And the fact that they didn't throw the ball to Breida at all, they didn't throw the ball to Jordan Howard, that's not a big surprise. I heard this on, we live in South Florida, so a radio show I go on all the time. It's Hockman and Crowder. And they said Jordan Howard had the Kalen Balazs line of eight carries for seven yards.
Starting point is 00:33:11 And they said, you hope that your running back gives you a barrage of production. We get a Balazs of production. Actually, Jamie, there's a new name for it.
Starting point is 00:33:19 It's actually the Barkley production. Don't go there. 15 carries for six yards. Yeah. He's not playing the Steelers every week. He actually had a game
Starting point is 00:33:28 just like that against the Jets last year. It was awesome. Good run defense. You called it. Who, the Steelers? Yep. No, the Jets.
Starting point is 00:33:35 Oh, the Jets. They do it. I love Josh Allen because that run defense is so bad. Wait, you love Josh Allen because of what? Last week.
Starting point is 00:33:42 You thought that... Because the run defense for the Jets is good and the pass defense is not. Oh, the pass, yeah. I said it wrong, I promise. Yeah, yeah. I think the run defense...
Starting point is 00:33:47 I mean, it's good pretty much every year. I also thought... I kept saying over and over, the Giants run defense is really good, and I think it should be. It was great for a while. I think they just kind of got worn down. In the first half, it was good.
Starting point is 00:33:58 Wide receivers. All right, yeah. So who are we looking at at wide receiver? Big, big fun names. I think it's pretty fun names out there on the waiver wire. What do you got? They're fun names. I just don't know how much of a hurry you'd be in to start them.
Starting point is 00:34:11 I've got Anthony Miller first, but he's rostered in 61% of the league. So a lot of people aren't going to be able to get him. I like what I saw from Mike Williams, and I'm a little worried about him getting banged up, but a lot of downfield throws to him. He was an air yards king last year he had over a thousand yards barely last year and it seemed like he was the only target that tarod could hit on those sideline throws with with some consistency not a lot of great consistency he
Starting point is 00:34:38 would be second for me robbie anderson would be third paris campbell and ppr would be fourth and then there's other names after that. It's kind of deep at receiver, and I don't think you're going to have to spend a lot of fab to get any of these guys. Miller, I'm a little nervous about. Like, love the matchup. I don't know. You'll have to tell me if he always lines up on one side of the field or not.
Starting point is 00:35:02 It seemed like he might be... The left side? No, the right side. That's where he caught his touchdown. He was on the left a little bit more often than the right, if I recall, last year. All right. Well, because it seemed like the Giants... So the quarterback's left. The quarterback's left. Right. He caught his touchdown on the quarterback's right side in that end zone. Trubisky doesn't throw left very well. Seemed like James Bradbury. That appears to be his side of the field.
Starting point is 00:35:25 So, and that's who they have this week, the Giants. But the thing with Miller is he got six targets. He ends up with that touchdown catch. It was a great catch. But if he doesn't catch that ball, and you can't rely on him to get that, if he doesn't catch that ball, he has a pretty bad game. And Trubisky was really horrible for the first half.
Starting point is 00:35:44 First three quarters. Yeah, I totally get it. It was brutal. And I started Anthony Miller, and I, you know, Jamie's been talking about Miller since the end of last season, so I get it. But why, like... Well, Jamie, give me your list.
Starting point is 00:35:55 I'm curious why Campbell was fourth for you, Dave, because, like, I don't know. He led the team in targets. Just makes sense that he'd be a target that Phil Rivers would like. Yeah, he tied for the team. He led the team in receiving. He was sense that he'd be a target that Phil Rivers would like. Yeah, he tied for the team. He led the team in receiving. He was tied in targets. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:36:09 Jamie, what's your list? For me, it's three guys above the rest. It's almost like the running back position. Miller's still first just because, again, I've been talking about him all offseason. I'm not going to back off after he had a productive game in week one. LaVisca Chenault would be second. The fact that he did this with the –
Starting point is 00:36:23 the Jaguars aren't going to throw 20 times every week and the fact that they gave him the two carries uh that he scored the touchdown i think he's just going to continue to get much much better so i love what i saw from him in that game and i think again you're going to see them throwing all over the place and chasing points and they're going to try to put the ball in his hands as much as possible and then campbell would be third you know you just look at what he was able to do um in this in this game uh the concern is going to be health with him because we know he battled a ton of injuries last year. But, you know, you see the top two guys in this passing game from the receiver standpoint, T.Y. Hilton and Paris Campbell. And I think Rivers is just, you know, get the ball out quick.
Starting point is 00:36:58 Campbell is going to be around the line of scrimmage. He's going to make people miss. This was a great first game for him, for those two guys together. So those three for me are above the rest by far. Okay. Fair enough. So that's the same three, except they've put Robbie Anderson in there as his number. And Mike Williams.
Starting point is 00:37:11 I didn't have, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. My bad. Yeah. Yeah. Mike. Okay.
Starting point is 00:37:15 For a little bit on this, but that's okay. It just depends on how you feel about these guys and the tight ends. Hold on. Goddard. Goddard. Easy. Logan Thomas would be second for me. And then the third guy would be, Hold on. because of how bad this run game is going to be. So it's going to be an awful, awful matchup again in week two against Buffalo.
Starting point is 00:37:45 But you just have to look long-term with him. And eventually he's going to end up putting up some really, really nice numbers. So buy into what his role was and how much they used him and how much they're going to continue to use him. Because Perryman stinks. Mims stinks. Chris Hogan definitely stinks. And it's really right now it's Crowder and Herndon as the only two guys
Starting point is 00:38:02 you should trust for the Jets if you want to trust any of the Jets. I wrestle with Herndon and Thomas as far as who's second on my tight end list because I agree I think that they're just they're down to nubs now on offense and Herndon's target share should should be good I don't like that he really didn't get a lot of his yards until the end of the game though like why couldn't he have been a little bit more involved before then it's just a little frustrating to me but I do think he's got some i think he's got more upside overall than logan tom settling on it right now i'm taking herndon over thomas that i would agree with you if you're looking long term if you're looking week two thomas is better than herndon
Starting point is 00:38:37 thomas gets the cardinals herndon gets the 49ers dst and by the way Hawkinson would be number one or number two if he were available two for me I would say one for me just based on you know there's more upside long term for Hawkinson than there is for Goddard all right best DSTs to get this week you got the Cardinals they should do well at home against Washington
Starting point is 00:39:02 the Titans against Jacksonville you know they suffocated the Broncos after the first quarter. Packers get Detroit, especially if Galladay is not there. So those pass rushers will pin their ears back in their first home game against the Lions. Where's your love for the Cleveland Browns against the Bengals Thursday? I think Burrow's pretty good,
Starting point is 00:39:24 and I think that Brown's defense is not good. Outside of their... Miles Garrett, really. Well, okay. But we'll see what their defensive backs look like, because they were missing two or three. They were missing two guys, right. And I think one got hurt.
Starting point is 00:39:37 So I think by the end of the day, they were missing three. We'll see. Yeah, their linebackers are a major liability, though, right now. Okay. And any kickers? Yes, there are three kickers you can be looking at.
Starting point is 00:39:50 Chris Boswell gets the Broncos at home. Crosby gets the Lions at home. And Suckup gets the Panthers at home. We're going to take a break on fantasy football today. When we come back, quick recap some Monday Night Football, who to drop, and more players to add, like Phillip Rivers. He's going to throw a lot, maybe, against the Vikings?
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Starting point is 00:40:49 Please be alert as trains can pass at any time on the tracks. Remember to follow all traffic signals. Be careful along our tracks and only make left turns where it's safe to do so. Be alert, be aware, and stay safe. Pittsburgh 26, Giants 16. Dave, major takeaways from this game? Major takeaways that James Conner, we already talked about him.
Starting point is 00:41:15 I'm not going to get into it again. So let's just go to the next good thing about the Steelers. Passing game. It's Juju with two touchdowns. It's Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger was rusty early on, and then he really started humming toward the end of the first half. And just the synergy with Juju,
Starting point is 00:41:31 it's like they played together for 16 games last year. It was incredible. And a lot of target share for Juju and for Deontay Johnson and a little bit more for James Washington. Not so much for Ebron and Claypool. Claypool did have a great catch down the sideline, and he'll be a problem eventually, man. He's just huge.
Starting point is 00:41:48 But Ben Roethlisberger started to kick it into high gear. He's got great weapons around him. Juju had a monster game. Hard not to be impressed with what you got from Roethlisberger. Interesting game for Deontay Johnson. Some bad plays in there, a fumble, but also 10 targets, so that's encouraging. And Jamie, any concerns about Saquon Barkley?
Starting point is 00:42:09 No, no. I mean, the fact that they used him as much in the past game, remember that was a concern because of how much Daniel Jones ran last year. They had him split out when they were trying to come back in the second half. So they were using him in a variety of ways. So yeah, none. This is as bad a matchup as he's going to deal with all season long and the Steelers are going to be a problem for a lot of
Starting point is 00:42:28 teams in terms of their running back so good luck Melvin Gordon this week and would you drop Evan Ingram for Dallas Goddard or TJ Hawkinson no again you know tough tough tough matchup you know Ingram will bounce back I thought he would struggle against the Steelers um he had a bad drop should have had a potential touchdown as well. You know, so we'll see how he improves this week. But, you know, this was just, you know, hey, congratulations, Giants. You're facing the best defense in football, even though you're home in week one. It was going to be a bad night all the way around.
Starting point is 00:42:57 By the way, Darius Slayton now has 10 touchdowns in 15 career games. Five of the 10 are from 30 plus yards out. Trivia. Who holds the NFL record for all time touchdowns of 30 plus yards? Receiving. Receiving? Randy Moss. He's close.
Starting point is 00:43:17 Jamie, you got a guess? What's the question? Career amount of touchdowns caught of 30 plus yards. Who has the most? Is it Victor Cruz? Yes. No, it's Victor.
Starting point is 00:43:31 No, it's not amazing. No, it's Jerry Rice. Okay. No, Cruz had a lot of them, but that's okay.
Starting point is 00:43:40 I thought you were being funny. Dave was being funny. Tennessee 16, Denver 14. Jamie, major takeaway from this game? Corey Davis looked good. Give him credit. I mean, you know, he stepped up and played well with A.J. Brown struggling.
Starting point is 00:43:56 I wonder whatever mystery injury that A.J. Brown was dealing with coming into the end of camp in the beginning part of this week, if that carried over because he had a bad drop in the fourth quarter in what should have been a game-winning touchdown. But Derrick Henry did not look good. And we'll find out. Taylor LeJuan left the game with a knee injury. We'll see what the extent of that is. But first game without Jack Conklin.
Starting point is 00:44:13 If this offensive line is going to be a problem for Henry, there were just no holes open for him. A couple times where he bounced to the outside, he looked good. And I did like the fact that I think he had two catches. I don't know how many times. Three catches, three targets. Three catches. That tied his most in a game from last year. That's certainly encouraging that they tried to get
Starting point is 00:44:30 him involved in that capacity. But if he's going to get 30 carries a game, he's going to break down. I mean, you just can't work him like this over and over and over again. Not good. If you were drafting again today, who goes first?
Starting point is 00:44:46 Noah Fant or Darius Slayton? Fant. Knowing what we know from week one? Mm-hmm. I'll say Slayton. But Fant was impressive. He's so talented. He was incredible. The one thing about Slayton, and this is by far a minor knock,
Starting point is 00:45:04 but it's once again he did it without one of the three receivers there it's just amazing how he just continues to happen and I mean it's going to continue he's going to yeah I'm done I'm done with that being a knock against I totally totally agree but good at this point but it's just it's just funny that Golden Tate's inactive and again he has another big game I just hope that that's the the start of you know he could be their best guy because he should be their best guy he has another big game. I just hope that that's the start of, you know, he could be their best guy because he should be their best guy. He has the highest ceiling of that group.
Starting point is 00:45:29 Okay, let's do the drop-o-meter here. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Fant was exciting, but we should also make note that Jonu Smith had a good game. Yes. He should have had even a little bit better game, but hopefully you're happy
Starting point is 00:45:42 with what you got out of him in week one. He finishes the top 10 tight end. Who would you rather have rest of season, Fant or Jonu? Fant, based on this. This is where this and Benny Snell are just two of many examples from the weekend where I wish we had preseason football
Starting point is 00:45:58 because if we had seen Fant look like this on the field, he was playing so freely. You could tell that he wasn't thinking as much. You could tell that he was a second year tight end breaking out. And now getting this type of work without Corlin Sutton is amazing. I hope it continues when Sutton comes back, but he looked
Starting point is 00:46:13 great. Yeah, and Hamler too. I wish Judy had caught a few more of his pass. He had a couple drops that were ugly. Still look good though. I made such a mistake in a league. We should maybe talk about this tomorrow because it's a bit of a strategy thing i dropped noah fant before the season started for duke johnson because i had mark andrews and you know how much i love noah fant but i'm sitting
Starting point is 00:46:35 there like i can't roster two tight ends with mark andrews let's get some running back depth and it's just an interesting decision that you have to make like running backs you have to roster inferior players because you know you need, and what if there's an injury and this guy could catch four passes, that kind of crap. I'm so mad at myself because I totally love Noah Fant. But with Hawkinson, with Fant, you're looking at it. Maybe these are your two breakout tight ends. It happens every year now.
Starting point is 00:46:58 Both of them were missing their best receiver, Corlin Sutton and Kenny Galladay, so we'll see if it carries over into week two. I had a lucky roster move last night. I dropped Golden State for Benny Snell before the game. Well done. You know, it's funny. I was looking at it because my receivers in that league are bad. And I was
Starting point is 00:47:14 like, the first guy I went to look for was James Washington and Chase Claypool. And I'm like, oh, Benny Snell's there. What happens if James Connery gets hurt? Let me just make the move. I think to myself, God, that's just such dumb luck. Hey, that's why you roster these backup running backs. That's why I roster Duke Johnson,
Starting point is 00:47:30 because David Johnson gets hurt all the time. You know, just sometimes you get the break. Sometimes Duke Johnson gets hurt. All right, drop O'Beaner. So I've got a bunch of names, but maybe we should just talk about like, okay, Justin Jefferson is an easy drop, 59% roster. Hunter Renfro is like 60% roster or something.
Starting point is 00:47:46 Drop him. There's some easy calls. What about like all of the rookie receivers? Henry Ruggs is 93% rostered. LaVisca Chenault's on your ad list. I get that. But Ruggs, Judy, and oh my. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:48:01 Judy. Definitely no. Not for Naeem Hines or Malcolm Brown? I mean, I guess if you're in a 10-team league and those are the end-of-year bench guys, Ruggs was on his way to a monster game before he got hurt. So that's just something to keep an eye on. If he's hurt, then it's easy to drop him.
Starting point is 00:48:13 But, you know, I think you look at what they were trying to do with him and what his upside could be. Like, that's a guy that has star potential based on where he was drafted. If he scores a touchdown, you know, he got tackled at the one. If he scores a touchdown, then his stat line looks a lot better. So, no, don't drop Henry Rucks. Okay.
Starting point is 00:48:32 I want to see what his snap count was. He played 67% of the snaps, so definitely the injury. He came back after getting hurt, which is a good sign. I wouldn't be surprised if he's out. You need a procedural move, then I get it. I don't know when these rookie wide receivers are going to become must-start guys.
Starting point is 00:48:52 That's why I was asking. You think about this time last year, what we know now about, say, DK Metcalf. Was he more valuable than what we expect Naeem Hines to be? Does this comparison make sense? No, Hines is more valuable,
Starting point is 00:49:07 but there's still the unknown of what they're going to do with each player in their respective spots. You kind of have an idea of what Hines is going to be after what you saw in week one. But I mean, Ruggs could, they could just be scratching the surface. You know, I tried to make this point yesterday. I'll make it again here.
Starting point is 00:49:23 Dave said, no preseason. For these rookies, this was their first taste of NFL action, first taste of game speed at this level, first taste of playing on this stage. And so for guys like Edward Soler and Jonathan Taylor, once he was pressed into action and Joe Burrow, imagine what was going through Joe Burrow's head. He's never taken an NFL snap before and he's down.
Starting point is 00:49:45 He leads them on a game winning drive. He should have had a touchdown, AJ green. And then his kicker goes and misses the kick. Like, like that could have been the dream scenario. And he was doing it all with never stepping on an NFL field before in any capacity. So, you know, I think these guys are only going to get better. It's kind of, I'll circle back to the Malcolm Brown, Cam Akers thing.
Starting point is 00:50:03 If Cam Akers is getting 14 carries in his first start without ever touching the field in an nfl game they're only going to continue to work him up yeah i get that i'm just but okay so which rookie so in other words you don't cut them you got to be patient i understand but but we have an exciting waiver wire week i think a lot of people are going to be excited about getting some of these running backs but compare rugs to a veteran that we could be. Like, I have Christian Kirk as a potential cut guy, right? Yeah, that was my next name. He was miserable. If you're telling me I have to make the decision
Starting point is 00:50:30 between Henry Ruggs and Christian Kirk, I'm cutting Christian Kirk. Of course. But which rookie wide receivers would you be willing to cut? Rager? Brandon Ayuk? Well, okay, look, Ayuk's got a good opportunity right now,
Starting point is 00:50:44 but what about Jalen Rager? Rager you can cut, yes. Justin Jefferson, like I said, 59% roster. Get rid of him. What about Jordan Howard and Matt Breida? If you have to cut them, you cut them. Breida more so.
Starting point is 00:50:59 Well, I'd cut Howard before I said Breida. Would you? Yes. I don't care that he scored. He's a slug behind a bad offensive line. Would you cut Howard for... I'm not excited about either of them. I'm just bringing up the conversation. I think I'd cut Brita first if it's half or none. Would you cut them for Benny Snell?
Starting point is 00:51:15 And a heartbeat. Oh, yeah. That's easy. What about Daryl Henderson, 45%? Bye. Leonard Fournette? No. I'd hold on to Fournette.
Starting point is 00:51:25 Joe Burrow. 83%. No. Okay. But again, if he's your second quarterback, it's the same thing you brought up about cutting Fant. Right. Different scenario.
Starting point is 00:51:34 It depends on what you have on your team. I'm cutting Burrow to get good running back depth and a potential starter for week two. Carry on Johnson. simple bye carry out okay okay um all right so who else uh who else were you thinking about dropping this week jamie like you have some big names on your on your quarterback list carson wenz and matthew stafford yeah again it's you know as i explained in the story you don't have to do it but you know you're looking at scenarios where if this offensive line is going to be this bad,
Starting point is 00:52:07 he's facing Aaron Donald this week. Good luck with that. You know, he's going to get murdered if he doesn't have Lane Johnson back to at least give him some help after what that Washington defensive line did and what the Rams defense just did a Dak Prescott behind a bad offensive line as well without Lyle Collins. So I think it's going to be a rough day for Wentz and I'd rather take my chances with Trubisky this week. If you're just going from week to week based on the quarterback position and the same thing with Stafford who was able to get his way to 18 fantasy points and should have had a second score um if DeAndre Swift made a catch but it's not going to be easy for him I think going into Green Bay and playing that defense which that has a good pass rush and making stuff on him so those are those
Starting point is 00:52:42 are two guys you could potentially move on from. At the running back position, you mentioned two of them already in carry on in Jordan Howard. I'd consider cutting Tevin Coleman. You know, I don't want to necessarily rush to do that because of maybe he wasn't playing as much. That was what was speculated. I read that on the show yesterday.
Starting point is 00:52:59 The fact that he was still playing. The Sacramento Bee said, though, the writer for the Sacramento Bee said it was likely because of that yeah i hope so you know but only six six snaps he was out snapped by derrick mckinnon obviously uh raheem mostar but you see what the the writing's on the wall coleman hasn't been good for several weeks going back to last season even though they're going to give him opportunities he's more of a handcuff at this point and he's not necessarily a must hold um in terms of the receivers this is you know some
Starting point is 00:53:27 i don't know huge name guys but you know big enough that you're you know potentially going to move on from if you have to kirk at 83 percent uh debo samuel just because he's out for three weeks so if you don't have an ir spot you could probably cut him and then miko hardman at 64 percent you know it's pretty clear he's going to need an injury to be successful. Just to be clear, Coleman had one great game in the playoffs, but it's one of his last eight that was even remotely close to saying good. So, so I just, I don't want to say that he's been bad forever. He had the one great game, but again,
Starting point is 00:54:02 we've seen what we've seen and the coaches have seen what they've seen and it would be hard to have Coleman take Mostert or McKinnon off the field. All right. So I think we're going to go a little long today because this is just a busy waiver wire show. So there are more names we need to get to. So let's go through the each position. We could probably go through quarterback fairly
Starting point is 00:54:19 quickly, but quarterbacks Mitchell Trubisky's got the Giants. Gardner Minshew's got the Titans. We like Minshew much more long-term than Trubisky's got the Giants. Gardner Minshew's got the Titans. We like Minshew much more long-term than Trubisky. Ryan Tannehill, Jacksonville. Those were the top three for Jamie. Dave, Minshew or Trubisky this week? Who would you go with?
Starting point is 00:54:37 Or Tannehill? I'll take Minshew, Tannehill, Trubisky. Okay. And then Kirk Cousins against the Colts, Garoppolo at the Jets, Teddy Bridgewater at Tampa Bay. I'll throw Phillip Rivers' name in there. He did throw 46 passes, and the Vikings
Starting point is 00:54:53 were obviously horrible. I think this is actually a good matchup for Rivers because the pass rush for Minnesota, they did a decent job of getting pressure on Rodgers, but they couldn't connect with it, and their secondary is just so bad right now. I think Rivers could end up having a decent week of getting pressure on Rogers, but they couldn't connect with it. Their secondary is just so bad right now. I think Rivers could end up having a decent week. I would still rather have
Starting point is 00:55:09 Minshew and Tannehill. Two quarterback leagues, if Rivers is available via trade, you should be able to get him cheap. Are we starting Minshew or Trubisky or Tannehill over Carson Wentz this week?
Starting point is 00:55:25 I would. I think I would too, but I want to see just what the offensive line ends up looking like for Philly before I lock in something like that. For now, yes. How about over Tom Brady? No. No.
Starting point is 00:55:39 I don't know. Just had to ask. How about over Drew Brees? No. At Las Vegas Monday night. Okay, running backs. We have, I think, covered this pretty sufficiently. What do you do if you have Boston Scott?
Starting point is 00:55:53 Hold on to him and hope Miles Sanders is out another week and that Scott's healthy and is involved more in the passing game. There's differing reports on what exactly happened to Scott, that he left the game then came back but he didn't play once he came back so i don't know if he's hurt um we'll find out you know as the week unfolds but there's also a report that sanders could return this week so i mean if you have to drop boston scott for these guys snell hines brown kelly i wouldn't but you can okay uh mckinnon dave talked about Daryl Williams, Adrian Peterson, Frank Gore,
Starting point is 00:56:26 Miles Gaskin, Peyton Barber, Carlos Hyde, Corey Clement, Rex Burkhead. Their names, they can get you through a week. Their stopgap options. Hyde actually had more carries than Chris Carson. That's troubling. It's true.
Starting point is 00:56:42 One more. And Carson needed receiving touchdowns to have a big game. I don't know what to make of that. Carson entered the week with three career receiving touchdowns, and then he caught two in the first half against Atlanta. You know what to make of it? You make of it that the Falcons are going to struggle against pass catching.
Starting point is 00:56:57 I meant the carries. They came on the heels of Pete Carroll saying that they're going to ride the hot hand, and neither of them was hot carrying the ball. I'd look to sell high on Chris Carson if he can. Okay. Josh Adams, Jalen Samuels. These are
Starting point is 00:57:13 deeply guys. All right. So wide receivers. If these players are available, try to add them. Jamison Crowder, Sterling Shepard, Preston Williams, although you're probably not starting Williams this week against Buffalo, are you? No.
Starting point is 00:57:27 John Brown. That one I don't know about, guys. How confident are you in John Brown? 79% rostered. He did have 10 targets against the Dolphins this week. I love John Brown. I absolutely love John Brown. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:38 The fact that he's now getting the second-best cornerback and what he's going to do with that speed. Josh Allen looked really good. He missed a couple of throws. I was, you know, I don't know if I was going out on a huge limb saying there was going to be Josh Allen's first career 300 game,
Starting point is 00:57:54 but he had never had a game over 270 yards. And not only was he great as the start of the week, but he hit the bold prediction too. And so if they're going to let him throw as much as they seem to be now, granted you faced a good run. Yeah. Face the jets though. Face a good run defense. prediction too and so if they're going to let him throw as much as they uh seem to be now granted you faced a good run face the jets though face a good run defense and a horrible pass defense we've probably yeah but he's got horrible defense this week but they he he is if you were looking for a very very very deep dark horse mvp candidate Josh Allen, because they could win the AFC East,
Starting point is 00:58:25 and they could have the Patriots' path to getting to the playoffs with a first-round buy. I don't think it's going to happen, but it's there. He made so many bad – He missed Dawson Knox on the wide-open touchdown. He had those two fumbles. I mean, like – Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:38 But there's a lot to like about this team, and there's a lot to like about his setup. They're winning the division. I'm loving the Bills. And, you know, kudos to Ben Gretsch, because if this is Stephon Diggs every week, he's going to be, he's going to shatter his ADP. But this, okay, this
Starting point is 00:58:56 is more of a Wednesday show thing. Like, we'll have to talk about it, but is now the time to sell high on every Buffalo Bill, on three Bills, on Allen, Diggs, and John Brown. We'll talk about it tomorrow. We'll talk about it. No one's going to give you anything for John Brown. Sure, but you might for Diggs and definitely for maybe
Starting point is 00:59:12 for Alan. Sure. Like the fantasy managers that have Breeze and Brady, they might be interested. Not to say Alan can't be great, but you might be able to turn him into like a slightly worse. Sure. That was the fact that he ran. That's that's the cherry on top. Because if he's going to throw like this
Starting point is 00:59:28 with this amount of volume and still run, the design runs were there, he's going to be a top five fantasy quarterback this keeps up. Yeah. Was this his best game of the year? It might be, but he gets the Jets again. Okay.
Starting point is 00:59:40 Yeah, he does. Point taken. In like six weeks. Darius Slayton, Sammy Watkins. And now the Watkins, again, how confident are you feeling in him? Was that his best game of the year? 82 yards and a touchdown.
Starting point is 00:59:52 He likes week one. He does. But he still plays with Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid. So I'd like to have that on my team if I can. If this is what defenses are going to do each week to the Chiefs, then he's going to collect a lot of targets underneath. So are all of these players, Crowder,
Starting point is 01:00:05 Shepard, Preston Williams, John Brown, Darius Slayton, Sammy Watkins, are they all better than, say, Anthony Miller, Robbie Anderson, LaVisca Chennault, Paris Campbell, etc.? Yes. Not Shepard. Okay.
Starting point is 01:00:21 Maybe not Watkins either. The waiver wire adds a wide receiver. The ones we've talked about are Miller, Chenault, Campbell, Robbie Anderson, and Mike Williams. There's also Russell Gage. The Cowboys, that's his opponent this week. They were bad against slot receivers last year,
Starting point is 01:00:38 and they just gave up 105 yards to Robert Woods. So there's Gage. He's rostered in 2% of leagues. There's two Packers wide receivers, MVS and Alan Lazard. I there's Gage. He's rostered in 2% of leagues. There's two Packers wide receivers, MVS and Alan Lazard. I actually don't know. Oh yeah, Lazard at 62%. Nikhil Harry, Scotty Miller,
Starting point is 01:00:54 that's probably for deeper leagues. Let's talk about Gage, Lazard, and MVS. And Jamie, how you feel about them? Well, I mean, you know, we were excited about Lazard given his role as the number two receiver for the Packers. And, you know, this is validation of that. The fact that they only had six targets
Starting point is 01:01:13 is a little bit of a concern. I'm sorry, four targets, right? For who, Lazard? Yeah. And the NFL six? Four targets. Four targets, yeah. But the game might end around, you know,
Starting point is 01:01:24 I think you're going to see Aaron Rodgers is clearly going to lean on Devontae Adams. But, you know, the way that Rodgers looked is the best thing about Lazard and MVS. He looked awesome. And, you know, hopefully that's a sign of things to come that LaFleur lets him do this. It's only the third time under LaFleur
Starting point is 01:01:38 that he's had 40 or more pass attempts. One of those was at Minnesota last year when they were chasing points. But I think this is a positive sign. So you want pieces of this offense if you can get it. And Lazard clearly is rostered in too many leagues. But MBS, this was a guy that they were excited about last year. He didn't deliver.
Starting point is 01:01:56 They were excited about him again this year. And he had a bad drop, should have had another touchdown. Could have had over 100 yards, about 130, looking at where the throw was. So you're buying Aaron Rodgers at this point, and it's not a bad idea to take a flyer on MVS. He's not a must-add by any stretch, but he's certainly somebody that you can put on the end of your bench if you're excited about the way Rodgers plays.
Starting point is 01:02:15 He's in the same mold as Deshaun Jackson, Henry Ruggs, and all these other – Robbie Anderson. Well, I think Robbie might be better. I know that the Robbie of the past would be the same guy, and I'd probably be more excited about MVS with the Packers than Robbie Anderson with the Jets. But I just think that the offense that Anderson's in now gives him an opportunity to get more targets,
Starting point is 01:02:36 and we saw that last week. MVS was so up and down. Don't change the touchdown. The touchdown was for you. I agree, but I think the target share is interesting, and that's why I'm interested in Robbie Anderson, and this is a Panthers team that's going to chase points every single week.
Starting point is 01:02:50 And don't forget that the Packers at their core are a run-heavy type of team. They didn't end up being that way in week one. Maybe they don't end up being that way at all, and we're just way off on that. But MVS, he's interesting, but I wouldn't count on him to do what he did
Starting point is 01:03:06 every single week. Packers get the Lions this week, and the Lions we'll see if Okuda plays, but they were without him, and they lost two defensive backs to injury during the game. Trufant and their slot corner Coleman. Thank you. Last question on wide receivers. Would you rather
Starting point is 01:03:22 have a Packers wide receiver or Corey Davis? Packers. A.J. Brown was miserable in that game last night. Right, but I don't think that's going to be the one. Could this be it? Dave, what's your answer? What's your answer?
Starting point is 01:03:37 I will say Corey Davis over Lazard and MBS. Okay. And if I'm wrong, hopefully one of those two will be on the waiver wire for me to collect when Corey Davis starts to suck like he did for the first four years of his career. Three years? Four years.
Starting point is 01:03:54 It seems like he's been in the league eight years. All right, we'll finish with tight ends here. Noah Fant is 84% rostered, but get him if you can. Hawkinson and Goddard are the prizes. What about Gasicki? How does he measure up can hawkinson and goddard are the prizes what about gaseki how does he measure up with hawkinson and goddard gaseki had a miserable game in a miserable matchup but he still ran a ton of routes and now you have parker missing time so he's in the same boat as herndon you don't have to play him this week in another tough matchup against buffalo but
Starting point is 01:04:20 i'd like to have him on my roster i still think there's a ton of upside for Gusecki moving forward. You'll get Hawkinson, you'll get Goddard, Logan Thomas for this week, Chris Herndon, not necessarily for this week, Mike Kosicki, not necessarily for this week. Do you have any interest in Jimmy Graham against the Giants, Greg Olson against the Patriots, O.J. Howard against Carolina, Jordan Akins against Baltimore?
Starting point is 01:04:43 Graham is interesting. They've been raving about him this off season in Chicago. And the fact that he should have had two touchdowns, that he was, you know, right there in terms of targets with, he was second on the team in targets beyond Robinson ahead of Anthony Miller. So they're going to use him, you know, and as long as his, uh, you know, broken bones can hold up and stay on the field in deeper leagues, it's not bad to take a flyer on him because the Giants defense is bad.
Starting point is 01:05:05 They did a good job on Ebron, but you know, we'll see how, uh, how, how Graham does. I don't want to have to start Jimmy Graham, but if I'm stuck, you know, if I'm in a 14 team league and I just lost Blake Jarwin, that's not a bad pivot play over. I take him over Olson, for example, who, you know, could start to lose targets to will this leave in the Olson score. Also good start. Jimmy Graham, 3.6 yards per target.
Starting point is 01:05:25 Yeah. You need a touchdown out of him. Every week? Against the Giants? Sure. He's a streamer this week, but for the most part, no. Alright. That's cool. What about
Starting point is 01:05:41 Jack Doyle against Minnesota? Drop him? It's a tough matchup for him. Rivers was lamenting after the game that he should have hit him for a touchdown. He was kind of open on a play where Rivers threw elsewhere and missed his guy. So maybe he tries and makes amends for that this week, but it's a much harder matchup this week
Starting point is 01:06:02 than it was last week. I'll say in mega deep leagues or maybe tight end premium leagues, Dalton Schultz figures to replace Jarwin. He got four targets. I don't know if he's going
Starting point is 01:06:11 to end up getting the same type of volume that we definitely not going to do that. But I'm just saying, you know, maybe 70% of it. I wouldn't be surprised
Starting point is 01:06:20 if they bring in some guys, you know, maybe Delaney Walker, for example. I don't know who else is on the street, but you know, they could be looking at a tight end. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:30 DST is Titans, Packers, Cardinals, kickers, Boswell, Crosby suck up. That's it for this marathon waiver wire show. Hope it was helpful.
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