Fantasy Football Today - Week 12 Recap! Jahmyr Gibbs! Plus More Winners, Some Losers and Injury Updates (11/23 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

Our biggest winner is Wan'Dale Robinson (3:00) and our biggest loser (5:00) is Justin Jefferson. Who are we ranking higher next week!? We also play some Buy or Sell (10:30) with Lamar Jackson, Bijan Robinson and more backfield committees ... News and notes (18:00) and some advanced metrics, an early look at the waiver wire (21:45) and more winners (22:15) including A.J. Brown and Caleb Williams and losers (32:00) including Zay Flowers and D'Andre Swift ... Recapping each game (42:15) with our Fantasy thoughts ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's just going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. That was a lot better than week 11. I'll tell you that. Welcome to Fantasy Football today, presented by BetMGM. Make it legendary. Okay, I haven't even checked, but last week we had six or seven. quarterback score 20 fancy points oh six seven that was horrible last week let's see how many this

week you guys want to guess how many scored 20 20 mm-hmm uh 11 10 I have no idea but we'll figure it out one two three four five six seven eight nine ten so far we had some some big performances all right fun day three overtime games not too bad with the injuries Quinn Judkins was able to come back. Did Ashton Gentie come back? Do we know if he's good? I do not think he came back. Okay.

Looks like he got shaken up with it. Yeah, right. It was last drive. But Camara did get hurt. So we'll talk about that. Before we do that, let's have some fun and talk about the biggest winners. Heath Cummings, who's the biggest winner? The biggest winner of this week is Juan Dale Robinson.

You make fun of him every week because he gets so many times. targets and he doesn't score any fantasy points, boom, in your face, Adamazer. Yeah, and this is the winning comment of the week. It's from Dan. He says, Dave, with all due respect, don't you disrespect Wondell Robinson the rest of the season? Sure. And I'll sing his praises when he gives us nine PPR points. Well, I thought this was maybe directed at me, but they thought you said it because I

was the one who was dissing Wondell Robinson. I've definitely not a huge, well, I mean, it's weird because I'm not a huge fan of Wondell Robinson, or at least I wasn't, but I did rank them. like right on the fence of a low end number two, high and number three wide receiver. Okay. Well, I don't know. Maybe I'm sure in the chat,

you guys will remind me of something I said that was disparaging about poor Wondale. But it was a great trick play early in the game that really put them on the board, had a hundred yards in the first quarter, got another 50 the rest of the game. That's very solid. He had a great game. If you started them, you did it in PPR because you were hoping for a lot of catches.

You got that, but you got a lot of yardage on top of it. Here's the question. Is he, a must start moving forward, knowing that Jackson Darts going to be back under center. It's not James. I don't know. I'm not sure if we can say that he's a must start moving forward.

I think it's a must start in a three wide receiver league, for sure. But he was that anyway. Is this stock up for Wondale, or is this just great game for Wondale? I think it's just a reminder when you average 10 or 11 targets a week. This is the second time this year that he scored, what, at least 29 fantasy? points. He's got another 18 point performance. He's got a floor that he's shown us numerous times over the last couple of weeks of

eight to 10 points. He's a little better than that, a little better. Every once in a while, he gives you a league winning week. I think you're right, Heath. He's a must start in three wide receiver leagues because I think the floor, week 10, it was 12 ppr points. Week 9, it was almost 14. He started in a three receiver league.

That's in full PPR especially. yes you start that guy okay so great game for wondale started in 62% of leagues i believe 6 yeah 62 percent and um yeah should be jackson dart next week against new england then they have a buy uh what was i going to say last thing i was going to say about him ah man it was interesting it was really good like whoa i can't remember okay biggest loser uh who we got as the biggest the loser, Dave. I think we have to go there. There's two guys that we could really go there with,

but I'll go with the one that I think is a little more obvious. And then we can talk about the one that's a little less slash maybe just as obvious. Justin Jefferson is somebody that we have to talk about. And it's clearly not anything he's doing. I don't think he's doing much, if anything, to ruin J.J. McCarthy. I think it's J.J. McCarthy playing poorly. and then on top of that, when he finally gets a healthy offensive line, two of the guys get hurt. Christian Derrissau got hurt.

Jackson got hurt. That's one of the guards. And then Green Bay just absolutely started to attack him. McCarthy was frozen in the backfield, held the ball way too long, 12 of 19 for 87 yards and two interceptions. J.J. McCarthy was. And everybody knows that J.J. McCarthy isn't a great thrower, but now it's trickling down to Jefferson. and today was the first time in eight games. He did not have nine plus targets.

He had six targets in this game, 8.8 PPR points. It is really, really gross right now. And I don't know how you can view Justin Jefferson as a top 15 wide receiver and maybe not even a top 24 wide receiver as long as McCarthy is playing like this. And if he's going to continue to play behind an offensive line

that's going to let a bunch of pass rush pressure in, We're going to continue to see just a lost year for Justin Jefferson. And, and next week he's at Seattle. Wondale Robinson against the Patriots, Justin Jefferson against the Seahawks. This is not even a quite, this is so easy to say. Of course, I would have given you the same answer this week. But of course, it's going to be Justin Jefferson. Listen, this is...

I'm not so sure. I guarantee you that you are not, neither of you are going to rank Wondell Robinson. ahead of Justin Jefferson. I guarantee it next week, neither of you. No one in the industry will. So, oh, I'm not sure about that either. Listen, we've got... It'll be higher in the projections, Wondale will, for sure.

I totally get it. I totally get it. Although, I mean, how can you expect Wondale to match what he did this past week? But, okay, is Justin Jefferson a candidate? You guys are going to say yes because it's Justin Jefferson. But, okay, is he a candidate for 16 PPR points? When's the last time he's done that? I'm not sure he has done that with JJ McCarthy this year.

I think he's definitely a candidate in week 14 against the commanders. I'm talking next week. Against the Seahawks. No. I mean, that's the upside. That's what you're hoping for. For the season, 13.8 fantasy points per game for Justin Jefferson, 13.6 for Juan Dale Robinson. He has Justin Jefferson in week nine had 16.7 PPR points.

That was with J.J. All right. Listen, this is as bad as quarterbacking can get. He threw 19 times for 87 yards. Justin Jefferson had more than half of their receiving yards. He had a plus 30 plus percent target share. It can't possibly be this bad again, but he's going to be bad. I mean, it's just clear.

Justin Jefferson's a bust. I mean, two weeks ago, it was worse. What? He threw for less than 87 yards? No, Justin Jefferson was worse. Oh, okay. But I'm saying the quarterbacking can't get any worse than this. But, no, it's tough, but, you know, okay, what I was going to say about Wando

Robinson is relevant to Jefferson, too. It's just, I think you can compare Wando Robinson to Quinchon Judkins today, who missed the chunk of this game with an injury. And he didn't run efficiently or anything like that, but he scored two touchdowns. Anytime you have a guy who has the role that Quinchon Judkins has, you can have five, four games in a row or whatever of single-digit fantasy points, whatever it was for Judkins. But, hey, he could score two touchdowns any week.

I mean, Jefferson is still going to have a huge target share. I know you mentioned the target's only six, Dave, but again, he threw 19 passes. So if you just get a semi-normal game from Minnesota, you're probably getting nine or more targets from Jefferson. Well, yes, we've got that each of the last three weeks. Do you know how many games with, you know, 18 PPR points he gave you? No, I get it.

He's been horrible. McCarthy has been awful, and Jefferson's a bus. It's entirely that as the problem. Who is the other one you were going to say? 80%. Lamar Jackson. All right, we'll save that for buy or sell. Lamar Jackson scored 7.2 fantasy points today against the Jets.

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Bet MGM, make it legendary. And I think that whole opportunity thing is always such a conundrum. When you have a guy who's not playing well, but you know he consistently gets those opportunities, like two weeks ago it was Ted Role McMillan, right? You're always afraid to bench that player. I benched A.J. Brown this week, and I hate myself for it.

Yeah. Who did you bench him for? So I benched him for Michael Wilson. which wasn't bad, but I also mentioned... But you would have had more points with Brown. I also mentioned for Stefan Diggs, which was really bad. But, you know, it is what it is, right? It's fun, it's frustrating.

It's hard to predict. I don't think it's very fun. I'm still going to win that week, so we're okay. All right, buy or sell. Lamar Jackson is a sit going forward. He gets Cincinnati on Thanksgiving. Dave, this is your loser, so I'll let you say most of the things. but I would just say it's probably Joe Boo week for Lamar Jackson

and who would have ever thought we would be here after the way this season started, but he's not looked the same at all as a runner. No. I don't think he's looked particularly great as a thrower either. But, like, you might find somebody to start over him. I think I had him sixth or seventh this week.

Yeah. But I think he also, like, we should probably give the guy some credit for coming back and saving him. his team sees him when he's clearly not healthy. It's just not great for your fantasy team. I agree. But the name of the show is fantasy football today.

And I thought this was Joe Boo week for Lamar Jackson. So he has scored a combined basically 12 fantasy points in his last two games at Cleveland and against the Jets. And he keeps getting these new injuries, hamstring, knee, ankle. And I've watched him the last two weeks. I watched the all 22 from last week against Cleveland. I watched a decent amount of this game, as I had it on.

He just doesn't want to run. I mean, there's so many times where he's just sitting there in the pocket, I'm suspecting that people aren't really open. And that's why I honestly think Bateman would help him. I don't know if they're going to make him like 10 points better, but I just think they have a pretty lousy receiving court other than one guy,

and he's just not really looking to run. There was one play where I thought he was going to beat the linebacker easily, the linebacker brought him down by the ankles. Yeah, I think it's pretty clear. he's not the same guy. I don't mind calling next week a Joe Boo week for him. He can be the first double Joe Boo player in fantasy football today history. And the reason why is because Cincinnati's defense is so bad.

It really is. And Cincinnati's offense is probably going to find a way to put up some points against the Ravens. Burroughs coming back. Jemar Chase is coming back. T. Higgins, I doubt, is going to play. But the rest of that offense has been good. And that might force the Ravens into, hey, you're going to have to throw the ball more than 23 times.

You're not going to be able to hide behind Derek Henry and his 3.0 rushing average again. And it could force Lamar to put the ball in the air and maybe some good things will finally happen. But I'm going to be a little nervous starting. He's going to be ranked. This is not going to be like Justin Jefferson where I'm going to say, all right, I can't rank this guy top 12 anymore.

I can rank Lamar as a top 10 quarterback at minimum next week because of the matchup. So if I've got him, I'm rolling with him, win or lose, but it's got to be, if he can't get it done here, I don't know when he's going to be able to get it done. And he does not look right as a thrower or certainly as a runner. Okay, by or sell, Bejohn Robinson is in trouble with Kirk Cousins. Robinson goes 14 carries 70 yards, two catches, 37 yards.

By herself, Bejohn Robinson is in trouble with Kirk Cousins. So. How come? Why? How come? um like it's a 14 point game he didn't score a touchdown it's not he's had plenty of games like this the offense won't be quite as good but everything's relative like are you saying he's going to be rb 6 through 10 now instead of rb 1 through 5 maybe but in trouble there's

nothing a fantasy manager is going to do about it yeah exactly that's true all right well i don't love like 14 carriers for him and 12 for alger those types of games drive me crazy. Well, I think that was also influenced. I would guess the last drive was almost entirely out here. Maybe. All right. I can take a look at the buyer sell.

The Pittsburgh backfield will be yet another annoying committee. It may just be an awesome committee. These guys are both playing really well. They don't have any wide receivers that can win right now. They both look pretty great. I think I've had it with your optimism today. I need you to get down to my level here. It was a great week.

All of these are negative, and I'm just, you know, Heath rose-colored glasses. That's what they always say about me. You always are, Mr. Rainbows and Sunshine. Algier did have six carries in the fourth quarter. Yeah. So, but the, look, committees are bad. Committees are bad for fantasy, and this was the most committee that we've had, right? We have, like, six teams that are not a committee.

Well, we used to have seven, Heath. And now we have six again. So Jalen Warren got so lucky. He barely played, he barely ran any routes today. Kenneth Gainville had a very long touchdown run on a trick play on a tush push formation that was overturned, ruled down at the one. Warren comes in, gets a one-yard touchdown run. Those were half of his fantasy points. Did not have a single catch in this game.

So I went into every week feeling good about starting Jalen Warren. I don't know that I'm going to feel that way. He plays the bills next week. Okay. But you might feel good about both of these guys next week. And Gainwell led the Steelers. It was very close, 52 to 49 in terms of snaps, dominated third down snaps. And he had two or three snaps inside the five.

You know which one Gainwell did not have. Yeah, it wasn't great for Warren. You're right, though. This is for sure a split backfield. All right. We're going to take a break. Kermudgeon ad. Yep, absolutely.

Somebody's got to be. We had to actually, Schaefer and I had a meeting about, hey, listen, Heath has just been way too happy. You got to balance them out. So that's what I'm trying to do today. We'll be right back with news and notes and some advanced metrics for you and some winners and losers and recapping each game. We'll be right back. It's the Nissan Black Friday event where you can, wait, wait, wait. Isn't it like a month long now?

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See your local Nissan dealer or nissan.ca for details. Conditions apply. All right, the injuries we're tracking. We had Flacco leave and come back. We had Brissette leave and come back. We're expecting Joe Burrow to play on Thanksgiving, hoping anyway that they don't just throw in the towel. Running back news.

They're still in it. All right. Well, they're a three win team. There are three games back of the Ravens. They play the Ravens twice. Oh, all right. Well, then, yeah, let's go. Ashton Genti left with an ankle injury.

Almond Camara left with a knee injury. Judkins left but came back. Zonovan Knight left very late. He left in overtime. We had three overtime games today. Oh, yeah, I mentioned that at the top of the show, but awesome stuff. T. Higgins is in the conclusive. protocol. He is not going, I'm sorry. He's unlikely, I would say, to play. It'd be surprising.

They're playing Thursday. Andreoshevis left, but he came back, right? He did. And he's an interesting player to pick up, because probably going to have no Higgins at Baltimore on Thursday. D.K. Metcalf left and came back, and Jackson Smith and Jim was 75 or more yards and 11 straight games. That trails only two players of all-time single season. Marvin Harrison, senior, did it 14 times in a row. Cooper Cup, 13 times in a row. 75 or more yards and 11 straight games, JSN. I would love to find a stat on

who has the highest percentage of their teams receiving yards in a year, you know, like a minimum of 1,000 yards or something like that. Because I feel he's going to break a bunch of records this year. Tight end news, Michael Mayer, a couple backup tight ends left with injuries. Michael Mayer, Ankle, and Noah Gray for the Chiefs and the concussion protocol. The big offensive line news, the Patriots lost two

offensive linemen, left guard Jared Wilson, tackle will campbell that one looks serious unfortunately he's been really important player for them dave already mentioned the vikings lost two linemen in this game dallas left tackle tyler guyton left with an injury and tray smith for the chiefs he left with an ankle injury and two titans offensive lineman lloyd cushionberry and dan more they left with injuries also buffalo right tackle spencer brown could go on i r the biggest defensive news i saw kyle hamilton baltimore star safety he left in the fourth quarter. But Harbaugh said that he should be good. I don't, you know, it is a short week, but they don't seem too worried there about him. Green Bay was already playing without one

cornerback. Then they lost Kishon Nixon. Oh, this is a tough year for Walter Nolan. Walter Nolan had a touchdown today for the Cardinals. He's their first round rookie defensive tackle, but he missed time earlier in the year and he left with a knee injury. And Joey Porter, Jr. for the Steelers starting quarterback, he left with a hip injury. Also just in Jamie Eisenberg, is probable to return right now. What's up, Jamie? Yo. All right.

Some noteworthy advanced metrics for you. I just looked at running backs and their route participation. Tyrone Tracy, 72% route participation rate. It was less than 50% in each of his previous three games. I don't know if that's going to stick, but he had a nice game with some big, good catches. Aaron Jones, 68% route participation rate.

That was pretty good. He's been around that in two of the last three games now. This one was cool. Ken Walker, season high, 59.3% route participation rate. He had three or four catches in this game. Charbonnet scored a five or six-yard touchdown, but Walker had good usage at least. And Stefan Diggs, bummer, man, 53.8% route participation rate. It's just, man, it was over 80% last week. I think it was a season high.

This is how it's been for Stefan Diggs. It just fluctuates. I think they are saving him for that big game against the Giants. next week. All right, Jamie. Early waiver wire. We got some running backs maybe to think about who are the headliners, you think? Yeah, Devin Neal, you know, if Camaro's going to miss some time.

Rahim Mostert, if Genti's going to miss any time. Judkins came back in the game, correct? Yeah, correct. So no really high interest in Dylan Samson. I guess obviously Emmanuel Wilson, if, you know, Josh Jacobs isn't able to play next week, but I think that's, he's headed the right direction. Brett and Strange had a big game, so clearly he's going to be a big part of the Jaguar's offense.

I don't have to go through it. We'll figure that out Monday. Yeah, maybe people take a shot on Greg Dorch, so he had another touchdown today. See, well, the status is of Marvin Harrison Jr. All right, let's get to our winners and losers. And Dave, you get to start with Emmanuel Wilson. 84% rostered, 62% started.

28 carries, man. Two touchdowns. Big game for Emmanuel Wilson. And he didn't look amazing, but he put together so many solid runs. No home, let's put it this way. No home runs a bunch of singles and doubles. And then he came through with the goal line, clearly the main back for Green Bay this week. It's hard to be a winner knowing that you might not be like usable in fantasy the rest of the season.

But this is what you were hoping for when he was the prize off of waivers earlier this week. And he came through and he looked good and never forget that the backers love running the football. And you're not going to hesitate to start Josh Jacobs on Thursday. They're playing Thursday, right? Yeah. I mean, I hesitate because of the matchup, but it's Josh Jacobs. And he'll be relatively fresh. I like that.

We're starting him. Okay. Also, if you're watching the show on YouTube, watching on demand, you're not hanging out in the chat right now. Go ahead and leave us your winners and losers in the comments. Love to see what you're thinking. Your other winner is AJ Brown. And the Eagles, they scored 21 points all in the first half, but Brown had a huge game.

It catches 110 yards and a touchdown. Jalen Hertz was over 30 fantasy points. Barclay had a lot of catches, but not a good game. And plus, he fumbled. Devante Smith was fine. Did they figure things out? Did A.J. Brown get it right? Or was it was just, hey, it was Dallas.

They still have a bad past defense, at least. I might have given Dallas a little bit too much credit, especially when it comes to the past defense. I'm curious to see just how much man they played in the first. half. And if they had played a lot of man, then that makes sense for why AJ Brown got off to such a good start, but really had a good game all the way around, looked strong running the football or not running. You know what I'm saying. Catching the ball and then running with it after the play. Yeah, I think you can feel good about starting and moving forward. I want to know what you all. Let's talk about the Eagles and AJ Brown and J. Brown and Jalen Hurts specifically.

And I don't know, no, no, the Eagles, right? They've got Chicago. That's a pretty weak defense. although I think the Bears could get a couple of defensive backs back next week because they were close this week at the Chargers, Raiders, at Washington, at Buffalo. It's not bad, but we've been fooled before. Jamie, how do you feel about the Eagles coming off this performance where they only scored 21 points and got shut out in the second half? I mean, obviously, look like they're going to blow out the Cowboys the way that the game started and, you know, their defense as well, you know, keeping Dallas out of the end zone from scoring

in the first quarter. So, I mean, I love the fact that Jalen Hertz through 39 times. I love the fact that, you know, both of their top receivers had at least 10 targets, 10 for Brown, 11 for Devante Smith. Like, we love those type of things to see those guys get opportunities. The concern would be is that they scored 21 points in their first half and then they got shut out. And basically how this offense coordinator has been under a lot of duress. I wonder if there's a change coming, you know, if they have another poor offensive performance. So they try to get things right for their playoff run.

but, I mean, I don't know what the start percentages are. I can't imagine anybody across the board is benching A.J. Brown and DeVante Smith, unless you have just great options. And Jalen Hertz certainly has performed like a top 10 quarterback the entirety of the season when you look at it. So those guys are going to continue to get started. Brock is going to continue to get started. It's just a matter if you, again, have other options. But it's not a matchup thing for the most part with them.

It's really just, I think, what your fantasy roster looks like. These guys fall into the category of, do you have anything better? And if you have something better, then you bench them. And I think for the most part, these guys are going to be 70 plus percent started on a week-to-week basis. Yeah, both wide receivers were 89 or 90 percent started. Okay, but that's good. So they came through. Yeah, but what about Barclay?

I mean, we can't. And they might next week, too. We can't really talk about Jefferson and Lamar Jackson and not talk about Barkley. Barkley's been a bust. Yeah, I feel like he's been pretty similar to Justin Jefferson, at least full-season, Jeffer. not McCarthy, Jefferson, but I don't know, man. What would Barclay have 10? Well, again, you're not you're not mentioning Barclay unless you have great options

because he's still getting touches. He got seven catches today. Like, he's still going to perform at least like a number two running back. He's just not going to live up to the expectations of where you draft. Yeah. You're going to start him next week against Chicago. No questions asked. Yeah.

Sort of every week. Yeah, sure. But like the expectations are going to be high for him against Chicago. With all their linebacker issues, they got beat. up some more they lost more players to injury today i think the only guy on this offense that's a question for most for 90 percent of people is dallas cutter and it's the second bad game for him and there really hasn't been the yardage in any game except for one he just scored a bunch of touchdowns earlier in the year and he hasn't scored any last two weeks like that's a guy it's going to be a

borderline starter the rest of them we're starting okay i mean i get that you're starting them in terms of you're ranking Barclay in the top 20, right? But at least now, there's going to be discussions, do I sit Sequin Barclay, you know? It's not just... But you have to have that type of team that you can afford to sit Sequoan Berkeley. Like, how many people have that type of team in a 12-team league?

Ten-team leagues is different. Yeah, right. Look, obviously, it's going to be a start. But, look, you look at the way the Patriots game unfolded today. Unfortunately, the goal line work, once again, is Ramandre and Terrell Jennings. A little bit more to them than Henderson. But Henderson was in there on a decent amount.

Yeah, the goal line work for Philadelphia, we know who gets that. I mean, would it really surprise you if Trayvion Henderson had a better finish to the season than Saquan Barclay? No. He has the last three weeks. Yeah, so. Did he today? That's a good question. No, I don't know.

I don't think so because of the catches that Saquan had. Right. But Seekwant had the fumble. Let's see, Trayvian had, no, Barclay was better than him. today, but not by much. Okay. But I think your point, Adam, is that we are talking about Sequan Barclay versus Treveon Henderson.

Yeah. Like that's where he is right now. So I don't think many people with Ramandre back and one game of a sample size are going to say I'm starting Trayvon Henderson over Saquan Barkley, but you're going to consider some players in that range. Okay. So let me make an apology here because someone in the chat said, I have a, I have I haven't mentioned Jemir Gibbs yet.

And you can't say anything negative about him. There's not much to say you only want to talk about negative. Yeah, there's not much to say about Jemir Gibbs, but what did he score? 55 points today or something like that. Almost a half hour into the show. 55.4 fantasy points. It's what I actually looked if it was the best fantasy game ever for a running back. It isn't.

But it's the best in at least three years. So amazing game for Jemir Gibbs. Okay, Jamie's winners are Caleb Williams, 53% started, 27.7 fantasy points. points against Pittsburgh. He's now scored 27 or more in three of his last four games, but is at Cincinnati, then the Giants, then Pittsburgh. And Michael Wilson, 10 more catches on 15 more targets, 118 yards. Wilson was started in 72% of leagues. Caleb Williams and Michael Wilson. I think, I guess we'll start with Caleb because on the screen. The Steelers the last three weeks had done a fantastic job against the three quarterbacks that they faced,

Flackwell being one, Herbert being one, you know, Daniel Jones, like three quarterbacks that, for the most part had played well. Flacco had not had a bad game to that point. And so I thought that Caleb would struggle a little bit in this game just based on how he had been performing a little bit. And this was one of his better games throwing the ball, mostly because of the touchdown production. So maybe DJ Moore is back. Who knows? But I think just this should give you a little bit of confidence with Caleb Williams. And especially after what you just saw from the Philadelphia defense, still going to be considered, still should be considered a borderline starter going into Thursday night.

And in the case, or excuse me, Friday, in the case of Michael Wilson, I wonder if you handcuffed the two of Marvin Harrison and Michael Wilson, you just want Marvin Harrison to just, hey, get healthy, buddy. Because what Michael Wilson is doing is what we've been begging for Marvin Harrison to do for a year plus. Like, get targets, produce with those targets, and not have to be touched on reliant. Like, this has just been fun to watch. He's been a league winner for two weeks.

49 more pass attempts for Jacoby Reset. It's just unbelievable. They didn't even try to run the ball to start the game. It was just, okay, we're going to throw it. So it's now four of six starts, four of seven starts, I think. Six starts, four of six starts for Jacoby Reset, 44 more pass steps. Jeez. All right, Heath's winners are Wondale Robinson, who he talked about.

And Bruce Hall, who had 16 carries for 44 yards, but he added four catches for 75 yards. And I think he was started in about 91% of leagues right up there. Yeah, I think I think the first off, the best thing that comes out of this game is he had four catches for 75 yards and Isaiah Davis did not have a target. And the second best thing is that Tarrad Taylor threw for 222 yards. So there's actually passing yards to be had for those people getting targets. So I thought it was an encouraging performance. He was kind of in that, like I think his start percentage was probably higher than where we had him ranked. We had ranked as a starter, but not as a surefire starter.

and it just makes you feel better about him as a number two running back rest of season. Okay, Barclay or Breece Hall rest of season. Probably still have Barclay. Barclay, yeah, the Jets still are... Right. It's going to be tough to feel confident in it. Although, to your question about waiver wire options,

John Metchy should be at it. For sure. All right, losers. Heath's losers are D'Andre Swift, who was 80% started. He had a fumble in the second quarter and only two carries after that, and Patrick Mahomes, who scored 17.1 fantasy points,

that's three straight duds for Patrick Mahomes. The first two are at Buffalo and at Denver. This one against the Colts. We'll talk about that. Maybe that's a tough matchup, but it's Swift and Mahomes for you. So first of, I think that it probably is a tough matchup

because they have very, very good cornerbacks. Second off, he was, this was a mess of a game for the Chiefs. Like, they did everything they could to give it away and then stole victory after trying to steal defeat or one of those things. I mean, the 352 yards is good, but their

pass, the receivers just did not get open for most of the game. Rashi Rice had some big plays late. Had a couple of drop passes. They really tried to commit to the run. I think Kareem Hunt, you have 30 carries in this game? Yeah, I think so.

Yes. Which everybody had been saying they need to do. And so I just think it's a little bit of a downgrade that probably doesn't matter because he's playing the Cowboys this week. But you don't feel, I don't feel a whole lot better about him than I do Lamar Jackson, but Lamar Jackson's playing the bingles, so you have to start him too. And yeah, DeAndre Swift, whoof, I think you have to go in next week. I had a pretty close to 50-50 this week, and you probably keep it at 50-50, because you don't

know if the punishment for the fumble carries over to the next week. But there's a possibility that Kyle Monong guy is just the best Bears running back rest of season. I think this might have been the biggest difference in Snapshare between the two of them were Monong guys ahead this year, 56% to 43? And it was entirely, almost entirely post-fumble. I think Swift was at 60% before the fumble. And then they just went away from them. It doesn't seem.

You almost wonder if Ben Johnson was waiting for a reason to do this. Yeah. Running backs are held to such a high standard. I mean, like Trevor, you should have bench Trevor Lowe. Lawrence then. The guy was playing like garbage with three interceptions, you know, and then he came back. That's a big difference with your backup running back versus backup.

I know, I know. Do we know if Rachi Rice is healthy? It's a hamstring. He came back in, but... Yeah, but then he caught a ball and then completely collapsed because he couldn't move. He knew he couldn't open it up. So he's not a guarantee for Thursday. Yeah.

All right, Jamie's losers are David Montgomery, who has started in 71% of leagues, and he had 37 total yards, eight touches in a game that was. went to overtime and zay flowers who had 58 of lamar jackson's 153 yards but just another game from say i mean is week after week of zay flower scoring around 11 to 12 ppr fantasy points this time actually 10.8 so yeah go ahead jamie montgomery and flowers can't start montgomery anytime soon you know the fact that the touchdowns have disappeared that was the only thing that's been saving him really for the last year plus and unless they're just going to give him the the opportunity like they did against Cincinnati where, you know, that was his hometown and trying to feature him.

Like, we're just not seeing that. And understandably so, I mean, Jamir Gibbs on a different level. So at best, a touchdown dependent flex, you know, in the Tyler Alger range now. Like, that's how you have to treat David Montgomery. I don't know if you're going to drop him, but you certainly can't start him. And in the case of Zay Flowers, like you hope the Bengals game is going to be something that benefits him. But really it hasn't been wide receivers, as we've talked about a lot. Like receivers don't do well against the Bengals.

by comparison to running backs and tight ends. So the way we started the season feeling about Zay Flowers, the way I started the season feeling about Zay Flowers, I don't speak for anybody else. At best of number three wide receiver, that's how you have to treat them. Like even when it feels like there's good matchups, you just cannot say he's a must-start guy in a two-receiver league.

All right, Zayflowers and Montgomery are losers, and so is Justin Jefferson for Dave and Jameson. Oh, donut. I had some donuts last night, Dave. They were delicious. This one. No one cares about your donuts. Jeez.

Everyone cares about this donut. And it's just brutal. And it's just one of those things that I guess I just have a little bit of a tough time understanding. It could have been simply that the Giants try to take him away. We didn't have the coaches from him yet to break down. But I'd be shocked if they did that. He had one big play called back by a penalty. He had one deep ball target.

There was nothing else. There were a lot of other short throws that Gough didn't connect with him on. So he didn't really have a bunch of opportunities to have any game-breaking plays like he had in his previous three games. I am a little nervous about the matchup against Green Bay this coming Thursday. I don't think it's enough to pull Jameson from fantasy lineups. Okay. Just a game where Gough was just throwing to his two best players, Gibbs and St. Brown over and over and over again. Well, not at the start.

He had his other guy. Who? Caliph Raymond. Oh, Khalif Raymond, yeah. Caliph Raymond left with an injury. A great win for them, but better, better for the Giants in every way. All right. Great loss for the Giants.

Yeah, we'll take a break. How much is James? James's touchdown catch was so cool. I mean, that was, if you haven't seen it, I can't imagine many of you haven't seen it. His touchdown catch was cool. The throwback touchdown to Wondale was cool. way he, you know, I mean, he could have got murdered on that play. But he missed Wondale for what could have been a touchdown in overtime.

That was such a bad mess. But that was on purpose. You got the call from above. Now, the call from above would have been let's score and then miss the two-pointed version. No, no, no, no, no, no. He did his job. James gave you entertainment for three plus quarters and then lose the game. You know what else he gave us, Jamie?

He gave us drumsticks. Chiching. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. What's the drumsticks? I got a side. I want an autographed drumsticks from Chad Smith because the Giants covered.

I was getting 13 points. And when Gibbs scored that touchdown, I was like, there's no way James is not throwing a pick six here, right? That's going to make it 13. I'm not getting anything. But he didn't. So, yeah, pumped. All right. We'll take a break.

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All right, folks, welcome back. goal line work saw Tyrone and Tracy in near the goal line which was surprising but not exactly at the goal line

definitely saw Manangai we talked about the Patriots thing they used everyone at the goal line and none of it

was successful David broke down the Gainwell Warren's stuff it was kind of favoring Gainwell this is a noise you know

when you go out and you pick up Devin Neal because Camaro is out and when a guy gets ruled out really quickly you know

that might lead you believe that he's going to miss some time and that's kind of what happened with camara but devon neal fighting with tason hill did tason what did tason hill have 10 carries in this game yeah so tasemill obviously being used at the goal line so but neil was there as well and then i don't know if the seahawks ever got inside the five yard line but at the five yard line they had charbonnet in there and he scored on first and goal there were so many almost touchdowns devante smith had one j brown had one jrown had one

one. Kenneth Gainwell had one that I mentioned. Javante had two. C.D. Lamb dropped a touchdown. Mark Andrews dropped a touchdown. There were a lot. Let's go to the game. I think for Rachi Rice, it might have just been cramps. Oh, okay. That'd be great. Good.

Yeah. Andy Reid didn't mention him when he talked about injuries after the game. Well, he, uh, he's like, there's a video of him running up to a fan afterwards in the game like full sprint. Okay, cool. All right. So we'll cramps. Cramps, it is. And goal line work The Rams gave had who is that in the game That's Kyran in the game Okay ta-da

I wasn't saying unbelievable to that I was saying unbelievable to the Rams Still running the same goal line play Every single week Yeah no one's no one's figured out how to stop that yet Yeah fade to Adams Okay Baltimore 23 Jets 10 We talked about Lamar we talked about

Breeze Hall John Mecci six for 65 and a touchdown on seven targets also had seven targets. So Mechie is basically not rostered, and they get Atlanta and Miami next. We thinking he'll be

20% roster next week, John Mechie? Should he be more than that? In that range. I mean, you know, look, it's a, I'm trying to think who was oh, I saw this just this morning. So Yoshevash, for example, granted one week situation versus maybe rest of season situation, but Yosevash

was like 28% roster and like 20% started. So probably in that range, you know, you are talking at this point, the teams that are out of playoff contention are making moves. So there's probably one or two of those teams in every league. And then you're getting, you know, can I trust a Jets wide receiver? Well, I think after two weeks and seeing what this receiving court looks like, knowing that there's still two more weeks without Garrett Wilson, there should be an opportunity here for John Metchie to be a potential starter in deeper three receiver leagues. Okay. Derek Henry, 22 carries, 21 carries, 64 yards,

two touchdowns, two catches for 24 yards. You know, what's your confidence level in Derek Henry, Dave? He and Barclay are both just so inefficient this season. Who does he play next week? He plays the Bengals. I'm very, very, very confident in Derek Henry against the Bengals. And who does he play in two weeks after next week? Wait a second.

He's got the Bengals and then he's got the Steelers. Who does he play after the Steelers? Cincinnati again. This would be the first round of the fantasy playoffs. Am I crazy here? What is his yards per carry this year, Derek Henry? It's crap. 4.8, 4.9?

It's really that high? Who cares? No, it's great. No, it is 4.9. I thought he was having such a bad year. I thought he was, yeah. What am I miss it? That feels wrong to me.

That's like a secret set. I'm emailing stats.com. No, I'm actually looking at the game log right now. he has yet to have consecutive games this year since September with north of four yards per carry in back-to-back weeks. So that might be a reason why I thought that he had a terrible rushing average this year. Yeah. But he gets a lot of carries from week to week.

He's the goal line guy. Lamar's not running anywhere. He hasn't been running near the goal line for years. So that's really not a big deal. I do worry about the games that are not against Cincinnati because it's Pittsburgh. And then in the second round of the fantasy playoffs, it's New England. then week 17 at green bay i'm blown away that he's averaging 4.9 yards per carry he's not anymore but okay anyway uh that's derrick henry yeah it's a little lower than that but

isn't that four point range i don't know if stacks dot com is a real website by the way green bay 23 minnesota six green bay 23 Minnesota six oh are we doing believe it or not yeah i forgot about it on the first one but we're back you know you you you you you you you you rushed through the notes and didn't give me the game, so I don't know the order they're in, so it's difficult to know which, who would we talk about next? Believe it or not,

Jordan Addison's drop. Yes, believe it. Believe it. I hate it, but I believe it. When we're talking about on Mechie, and there's going to be other receivers that we're going to talk about on Tuesday, Addison is a name that you can drop for those guys. I wonder if they make a quarterback change.

Would that make you feel that much better about it if it's Max Brosmer? It can't be worse. So, believe it or not, I actually did send Heath all. I found the new notes. You didn't know you sent two things that said notes today. I'm prepared now. Okay. Anything on the Packer's side?

Anything with the Packers passing game? We had Jordan Love throwing for 139 yards. We had Christian Watson five catches, 49 yards on seven targets. How about buy or sell, believe it or not, or yes or no? Romeo Dobbs is dropable. Believe it. I think I'd rather hold on to him than Addison, but yeah, they're both dropable. I don't know how much they want to trust Jordan Love throwing at this point with that shoulder injury.

Yeah. It's his left shoulder, but yeah, point taken. it's separated shoulder and it's painful. And their defense is great. So it's like if their run game is going to be working and, you know, like to Dave's point, Emmanuel Wilson,

what you said earlier, you know, he didn't have a lot of great runs. He certainly got, he moved forward and he did a lot of, you know, positive things clearly. But like they probably are very content at this point with their

quarterback dealing with their shoulder injury with the receiving core, complete mess at this point. Golden, not healthy and not the guy that they drafted for this year. their tight end, who was their best playmaker, gone. And the two receivers on the outside just not consistent on making plays. Like, Natavian Wix looked the best of their receiving court today.

So I would guess if you're Matt LaFleur, who's been very run heavy since getting Josh Jacobs, is just going to say, let's just run the ball, keep the game close, not make mistakes, and you can't trust the passing game for fantasy. So I don't know. I'm not very confident in starting, let alone if I need to make a roster move, having to hold on to Christian Watson or Romeo Dobbs, those are the last guys on the end of my bench. The other side to it, too, is how many games are the Green Bay Packers going to have

where they might struggle to run the football? Next week. Sure. So that's going to be an interesting litmus test, but it's not going to be a matchup where, well, maybe it is because we just saw the Giants throw like crazy. And there were a bunch of receivers on the Giants got a good game. Maybe Dobbs does get more opportunities and maybe we shouldn't rush to get them off. Yeah, but again, like I think there's a difference between struggling to run the ball.

and not running the ball. Like, I don't know if there's a situation where they get away from running the ball, even if they're struggling to run the ball, unless their defense struggles and they're chasing points to a significant degree. Yeah. All right.

Next game. Like, they've been very content keeping Jordan Love under 30 pastimes. Next game is Kansas City 23 and Indianapolis 20. Believe it or not, Kareem Hunt is a must start running back, even if Isaiah Pacheco comes back. What about the new guy?

They did just sign Damien Pierce. That's right. So you can factor him in if you would like as well. So again, believe it or not, that Checo or that Kareem Hunt's a must start running back back. No matter who he's sharing the backfield with. Yeah, to call him a top 24 running back, I think he's going to make the cut. I wouldn't talk about a dude.

Must start. Right. Maybe not must start, but he's going to be one of the top 24 guys, I think, in our rankings. Touchdown in four straight games. Now, he's got a rushing average that's not so hot. He's at 3.9 for the year. So who do you think will lead the team in carries when Pacheco's back? Kareem Hunt.

Pittman with a big game. This, you know, this looked like a pretty good game for the passing offense. Big game? Pitman. Did he not have a big game? No, 5.27 and a touchdown? No, big game. Hell, he almost had another touchdown, I think, didn't he?

I mean, Justin Jefferson would have killed for that stat line. Yeah, sorry. Pittman was fine. Yeah, I don't know. This wasn't a great game, certainly for Jonathan Taylor. Is anybody concerned about Jonathan Taylor? Absolutely not. No.

I mean, the schedule's not great. The production, when he's had some tough matchups, hasn't been great. You're not benching him. You're right. At any time soon. But, you know, the league winning running back that we saw, the MVP, is slipping away from him. You know, the offensive player of the year award is potentially slipping away from him.

Fantasy-wise, no, I'm not concerned. It was a game of two Daniel Jones. I was going to ask you about this. In the first half, rushed for most of the first half, Daniel Jones was completely comfortable and played almost perfect football. The second half, Spags dialed up the pressure, and Daniel Jones could have thrown two pick-sixes in the fourth quarter. and I think they had three straight, three and outs to end the game.

It's going to be some tough decisions next week against Houston for fantasy managers in terms of starting your Colts. I don't think it's that tough. I mean, I guess it's at home. No, for Pittman. For Pittman and, yeah. I mean, Warren, you'll start, but. I'll probably say to everybody but Taylor and Warren.

Okay. All right, Patriots 26 and Cincinnati 20. Heath is dismayed that he keeps ranking Drake May too high now. Oh, no. No, today, I think we should just put this out there, because I don't know if we said it out loud. So believe it or not, today was actually a good day for rest of season trivia on Henderson projections.

I do believe that. You should, it sucks that he didn't give you a good fantasy day, but he looks like an RB2. Yep. Yeah, and now listen. Two games are Giants and Bills with a buy in there. Yeah. So the matchups are going to be.

great. Of course, this matchup was supposed to be great, too. But just, uh, you should be excited with all the carries that he had. Romandre looked terrible. I know remandre is not at 100% he's dealing with, I think, turf toe. And so that's just going to slow him down. The problem that I've seen from Henderson for now, two straight games is there aren't enough. We talked about singles and doubles. There aren't enough doubles, triples, and homers over the last two weeks. And when we did see some homers from Trevion and Henderson a couple weeks ago, it was really just like, a bunch of singles and then two home runs. And so I'm I was hoping by now that we'd see some more explosive runs from Trevion

on a regular basis. So it was just crystal clear that he's the best running back that the Patriots have and that they should use them all the time. And it just hasn't happened yet. Heath, you said it best. He's a number two fantasy running back. In these next two games, one of them he's going to pop off for a big game. The matchups are too good.

And they can't keep going back to Romandre. And he had a great snapshot. So it wasn't, it wasn't. it wasn't huge it wasn't you know it was 64% it wasn't 70% or 80% but it's still what we wanted and he had the majority of the snaps inside the five yes number two running back moving forward do we know the extent of will campbell's injury no but it doesn't sound good and he had you know the towel over his head as he was carded off the sideline it could be a problem for may and henderson yep and they lost the left guard too in this they lost their guard very early on in the game yeah

It's frustrating that he wasn't, Hedgson wasn't more efficient here. And with May, it's four straight games now where it's been pretty overwhelming. 20.4 fantasy points against Atlanta, 22.1 at Tampa Bay, 17.4 against the Jets,

18 points today at Cincinnati. And, look, he's thrown for 281. He's thrown over 270 more yards in three straight games. He throws for a lot of yards. But there's been an interception in four of his last five games. And he only has one really good game this year

when he's thrown a pick. that could be this one was bad too yeah i don't know so so what are you thinking i mean he's got the giants obviously good matchup but are how confident are you guys and drake may going forward he's still a number one quarterback but i think you just have to consider maloan number one quarterback as opposed to a must-star guy so when we're talking about mohom struggling and lamar jackson struggling and you know we've come out of some weeks with some other guys that have obviously not played great like clearly if you get a big game from brock purdy monday night and what we've seen from him, you might consider starting Purdy over May at this point.

Brissette is kind of in a similar scenario. You know, I have a league where I have Drake May and Caleb Williams, and that's going to be something that's going to, you know, frustrate me now over the next couple weeks. Bo Nix has been up and down as a fantasy quarterback. So I think he just kind of put him in that range of guys of, you know, most likely starting. Confidence start? Probably not. But, I mean, he's been fantastic for his draft value.

He's been fantastic more times than not. I think you just sort of say, okay, still a number one QB, just not a top five QB. What did we love about him in the early third of the year? And maybe even going back to like the game against Cleveland, like first half of the year. What did we love about Drake May? That he was good. He scored a lot of fantasy points. He ran a lot.

He's had 22 or fewer rushing yards in four straight games. He hasn't scored in like two months. So not having that rush for that's by the time. Yeah, well, that hurts his fantasy upside. And now that the offensive line could crumble, does that mean he runs a little bit more because plays could break down? Pressure could be on him? Could he run? Could he be by design, not running less fewer design runs because Henderson has started to get going?

I don't know the answer to these questions, but I think this is part of why May has fallen off a little bit as a fantasy asset. Okay. Chase Brown with another impressive game against a great run defense. He is running really well, so he'll be easy to start, certainly as long as P. Ryan is out, and hopefully the usage doesn't change when P. Ryan's back. Seattle 30 and Tennessee 24. Tramere D.K. is the best D.K. wide receiver in fantasy football. No. A month ago, I might have said yes, but we've seen some bad games from D.K. since then. Which one? Shim right. Yeah, I have to.

It is the first game for him without Calvin Ridley, healthy. And that's kind of when he took off the first time. It was when Ridley first got injured. So I thought he had worked played really well today, given the defense he was facing. And, you know, especially

early and late. The second and third quarter, they kind of figured things out a little bit defensively, Seattle. But once they were up big, maybe they took their foot off the gas. But I think you're going to get games like this for DK, where you're going to get seven plus targets, you're going to get opportunities for him to get up. You're going to get opportunities for him. And so, like, comparing him to METI, for

example, I think that's a fair comp. You know, bad team, questionable quarterback, targets will be there. Will he be productive enough to trust? So deeper three receiver leagues, I think DK comes into play. Same question that you asked about Trayvion Henderson, Heath, you know, believe it or not, this was a good week for Trayvon Henderson. Usage-wise. Same question with Ken Walker. What do you think? Dave. Hi. You have the snap counts?

Say please. 64% for Walker, 4.7 on third down. 3 of 4 inside the 10. Yeah, believe it. Yeah. I thought, yeah, but the other one was that he had the season high in route participation rate, which was cool.

But again, you know, those things can change week by week. But that was great for Ken Walker, who had 11 carries, Only 11 carries, but Sharbonne, only had six. They just didn't, they probably didn't run that many plays. They only had the ball for 22 minutes and 35 seconds. Yeah, remember my joke this morning? It worked the other way. Yeah.

Rashid, I have a feeling he's going to start getting dropped, he's 74% roster. Yeah, that was disappointing. I did think Donald would play well. This is the setup you want for him. You know, so it's just when he has these type of matchups, you can consider him a low-end starter. Okay.

Next game is Chicago. He is the offensive player there. J.S. Oh, he's incredible. Chicago 31, Pittsburgh 28. You might have to sit Roma Dunzee in a three-wide receiver league. Not there yet. Don't believe it. Not in three or serial leagues, but two receiver leagues for sure,

especially going against Philly this week. O'Dunzei, oh, man, it's frustrating with him. So, wait, they have Philly. Wait, are you saying Philly is good or bad for O'Donze? I'm saying that with O'Donze struggling, taking on Philadelphia after the game that they just had, this is not the week you want to trust from O'Donzee. Right, okay, okay. We're on the same.

I still think, I'm still going to treat the Eagles like one of the two or three best defenses in the NFL. Yeah, Dallas's offense is going to make a lot of defenses look bad. Yeah, for sure. Didn't they go out to the Packers too? Yes, they did. All right. And we talked about today with C.D. Lamb dropping passes in the run game just being Sosa. Yeah. Sorry. We talked about the Steelers backfield. We talked to D.K. Metcalf had eight targets, which was cool. He had a rushing touchdown. It was almost a passing touchdown. So if you started Mason Rudolph, you got unlucky there. And yeah, Caleb, Jamie talked about him as a winner earlier. But it's just, man, at Philadelphia, at Green Bay, Cleveland, Green Bay.

That is tough sledding ahead, at least on paper. And just last question real quick. Is anybody going to be interested in starting DJ Moore or adding Colston Loveland or adding Luther Burden, you know, next week or going forward? I think Burden, yes. More, I think you just consider him a hold. So if you have him, you don't drop him. If you don't start him yet, but if he has another good game, then maybe. you buy into. I mean, this is just, it, it's been so fluky for him. You know, he has the touchdown

pass and the run, two games ago, three games ago, wherever that was. Like, he just hasn't been producing so much as a receiver. And I don't know if just the Steelers were like, okay, we don't have to worry about him. And, you know, the one touchdown, he was, there's nobody near him. So I don't want to chase these points. I, I didn't watch this game closely enough, but it looked like from what I saw, they just didn't defend the middle of the field very well and more crush them on slants and posts and stuff like that. Man, I don't want to go out on a limb and give horrible advice, but I just feel like based on what we've seen all season and what the upcoming schedule is, I just said it for Caleb Williams,

at Philadelphia, at Green Bay, Cleveland Green Bay. We're getting into December. It's going to be cold. I think Caleb Williams, if you still have a trade deadline, it feels like the best sell high in the world. Yeah, it's cool go. All right. At least I'm not at a an island there if it goes horribly wrong. Detroit 34. But I mean, like if you could turn Caleb Williams into trading another quarter, like you're not going to get Lamar Jackson or Drake May for him, but maybe some sort of package with Caleb and an overpay for

Drake May and something. Well, I almost think the move to make is you've got Caleb Williams and I don't know, Drake May on your fantasy team and you're going to have a tough time deciding between those guys. Now you know which one to trade off. is Caleb get what you can for Caleb help your team somewhere else you don't have to make the tough lineup decision

every single week okay all right Detroit 34 Giants 27 a thriller in overtime we talked about almost every relevant player that played in this game so let's talk about one who didn't Jackson Dart goes right back

to being a must start quarterback in his first game back against the Patriots believe it does he change how he plays? They've talked about it. I hope so. Well, if he changes how he plays,

then his rushing upside could go away. No, slide, get out of bounds. Just don't be stupid and take the hits. You still run. I hope so. Don't jump in to three defenders. Yeah. I'm willing to trust it next week against New England.

I believe it. Yeah. For the first time in 10-ish years, I'm going to say this. Okay, hit record. The Giants have a good offensive line. It's showing up. All right, we can move on.

Are you, I missed obviously the Wondell talk. Are you in on Wondell now, Adam? That's true. First of all, when I was giving fantasy advice this week, it was a lot of start Wondale Robinson. I did think he was a start. He has a good floor. I don't expect these types of games from him.

He played great today. He made some really tough catches. He played really great. But, no, I mean, I would sell high on him. I think he's going to average about 13. PPR points per game rest of season. What is the averaging since Neighbors has gone down? Well, I don't,

what I can tell you is that going into this week, he was wide receiver 32 per game. Now he's currently wide receiver 20. What's that? He's currently wide receiver 20 per game. Yeah, but that was including the, you know, with neighbors, but since neighbors, and he had that huge game against Dallas, right?

So since neighbors went out. 14.5 PPR points per game. Is what? Since the neighbor's injury. Since, from week five on, number two receiver I'll put them below but that's almost the number one

these days this year not quite but that's probably top 18 I had to guess 14 and a half I mean such a bad year for receivers you want to know

what his averages in non-PPR yeah I wouldn't even know it 8.5 8.5 is that good I don't even know

I think that's pretty good for like a number two receiver in non-PPR is one of the most depressing things you've seen this season, Russell Wilson going out to do

the coin toss at overtime. Oh, did he do that? Yes. Oh. In his helmet. Did he win? No, well, I don't know. The line's got the ball first.

I don't know. All right, Cleveland 24, he probably did win. I think most teams defer now. Cleveland 24, Las Vegas, 10. We get into the late window. How did we make it an hour and not talk about Shador Sanders

being the first starting quarterback in 17 QBs to win their first start for the Browns. Pretty cool. Believe it or not, Shigerth Sanders should be the starting quarterback for the Browns the rest of season. He should. I don't know if you saw it, but Stefansky did not commit to it. I'm sure.

I'm shocked. But that's better than him saying outright that Gabriel's going to be the start of when he's back, because that's what he had said, right? In all seriousness. He can't say that after a game he won. His interception was laughably bad, but I thought he made, five to ten like NFL quarterback place

you should have to five but yes five fairly good yeah good for him it was good I mean it didn't work out for anyone other than Dylan Samson who had a long touchdown catch well I mean look Jerry Judy screwed him by forgetting that there's

you know 11 players that play defense on the field it's tough to remember that Jamie it is you know it's hard it's hard explains a lot You know, we have, we still have issues about Harold Fanon, and David, the joke, was clearly dropable if he wasn't already. Yeah. How about the schedule for Cleveland moving forward?

49ers, Titans at Chicago. They're still in the race. Let's go. But they're going to keep everything. They are. The thing that they should do, just because their defense is so good, they're going to keep everything close. All right. Brock Bauer is.

It's a little frustrating lately, but you're obviously everyone's going to start. Gino's so bad. It's not entirely Gino. Like that offensive line is a joke. This was just a disaster waiting to happen. You know, the funniest thing maybe that I've seen in a long time is instead of kicking a field goal, they punt it to try and add to their sack toll at the end of the game. It was a punt from the Browns punted from their own 29.

No, I'm sorry. The Browns punted from the Raiders 29-yard line in the fourth quarter. I've never seen anything like that before. Oh, man. Okay. To the next game. How many sacks in total did they have? Nine or ten.

Nine times. Jacksonville. 27, Arizona, 24. Another overtime thriller. I mean, just stupid coaching after stupid coaching in this game. Seriously. there was lots of stupid coaching um believe it like for dynasty purposes is Trevor Lawrence headed down the Kyler murray path like they're probably going to

they maybe maybe they'll sneak into the playoffs this year but he was just awful and he has this long contract and I feel like he's going to be the guy they're paying 50 million dollars to not play on our team I mean I want to keep talking. I'll find something that was an incredible stat about this game. Oh, I'll go ahead and I'll just pretend to still be high on Trevor Lawrence. Heath, give him a break, okay? It's first year in a new system.

He's missing Brian Thomas, Jr., who was having a great year before this. How can you judge Trevor Lawrence? It was the number one pick in the draft. Are you crazy? When you said Brian Thomas was having a great year, do you mean before this year? Everything I said was facetious there. Oh. Yeah.

All right. This is from Theo Mackey, who covers the team, one of the beatwriters for the Cardinals. I just lost it. Sorry. Where is it? NFL teams had won their past 50 games with a plus four turnover margin. The Cardinals broke that streak today. But actually, it's been a historic year for the Cardinals. It's absolutely amazing. The fact, I mean, I don't know how they don't fire Gannon, but the fact that Trevor Lawrence at times looked so awful. and then still manages three touchdowns is incredible. Yeah, right, he had a decent game. But no, he doesn't have Thomas and he doesn't have Hunter,

so I think there's a chance he could be solid fantasy. Huge day for Travis Hedgian. Yes, let's talk about that, because Tudin didn't really do anything. So that's why I hesitate with sometimes these committees because they change on a weekly basis, it seems. I wonder how much that ankle injury really changed what the Jaguars may have had planned

because 15 carries at 12 before he got hurt last week. and then he practiced all week, but you know, you just wonder if ETN's just got the job locked down and you don't have to worry about it. Yeah, I guess we can't sit here and say with any certainty what next week will look like for the Jaguars, although their off-season is going to be very interesting

because they have a decision to make on ETN and a decision to make on Jacoby-Myers that they bring Myers back, which I believe they have them under contract, if they bring Myers back, that trio of receivers could be fantastic. I thought he, no. No, he's a free agent.

He's a free agent? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Parker, Washington, was it better today anyway? Yeah. Okay, I think he is. I mean, AI overview on Google is saying he is, and that probably means he's signed for the next 10 years. Next game.

And this was great first range, like, must add. Yeah, actually, there were a lot of fantasy-relevant things here. I'm sorry for skipping through it. Look, I can't sit here and say anything about the Cardinals running backs. Hopefully it'll be Benson next week. Knight got hurt again. it's just they're like 49ers running backs right now and then Wilson was awesome

Bride was great again and Dorch had nine targets so he's somebody to look at Atlanta 24 and New Orleans 10 Kyle Pitts is dropable Believe it Yeah Yeah this was frustrating

Boy if you were one of the 28% of CBS sports users who started Darnel Mooney. Three targets, 74 yards at a touchdown. Got a little lucky there. London back next week, so that should be good. When you look at the way... You keep saying that. I don't think it's a guarantee.

No. Oh, no? It's hopefully, London. You said that both shows on Friday, and you're not wrong. I mean, he could return next week, but you're very confident in that. I thought the coach said that they expect him back next week.

No, they're hopeful. Okay. This is almost like your Bill Burrell will never play again. Excuse me. Joe Burrow himself said that the record could depend on it. Well, he didn't say that. He defer it. Then he practiced in full for a week before.

Yeah, yeah, right. And he didn't play, did he? You're correct. So far, you're correct. I cannot critique you for your, Joe Burrow will retire at the age of 25. Are you nervous about Drake London with what you've seen from Kirk Cousins? Not to the extent where I might not start him, but yes,

to the extent that I might not have a league-winning wide receiver. Well put. Okay. And Chris Olave continues to be. Chris Olave is now this three or four years in a row. We have had this, you know, good player fall pretty late in drafts

because of horrible quarterback concerns. And produce. Is Mari Cooper? And injury concerns for him. Yeah. Amari Cooper, Mike Evans. I want to say

Godwin last year But Gobwin I don't know if we were concerned about Baker Mayfield last year I don't honestly remember Well Godwin we were concerned about injuries Yeah

And OLAVE this year So it's kind of something I'll be looking at next year But I think Pitman Those are the three That worked Or four or five or six

But there's been years Where we've been concerned about guys Because of quarterback play And they're terrible But how many times have been in a, I mean, the truth is, Alabe hasn't been that accomplished.

But an accomplished guy who we were. I feel like Alabe himself, we've just hoped the quarterback play wouldn't matter. And he's been disappointing based on ADP and Vest, yours. Yeah, well, he's been a good pick. So good stuff. Dallas 24, Philadelphia, 21. George Pickens is the best fantasy wide receiver on the Cowboys. That's not.

favorite response that is my favorite response no one's sure to and they just both be awesome nope we need an answer so rest of season you have the i forget the the colors of the pills in um the matrix blue and red yeah so one's blue one's red well i don't know because if the red pill i don't remember one of them you know you don't go into the matrix but then oh boy lamb's been better than him in just two of the last five games there was one game where they were both really close to each of two where they were close to each other pick is just awesome he's playing it's not just a fantasy thing like he's playing yeah yeah yeah yeah it's always easy to do you know hindsight like they gave him up the steers gave him up for such little compensation

and then paid dk mackap that contract it's just crazy like this this is what they let walked out the door. Pickens would not be happy. I don't think they liked having them in their door. No, I get every reason why it happened. I totally get every reason why it happened. And he's not doing this in Pittsburgh by any stretch. But this is what they let walk when they had him under control and could have franchise tag

them to pay D.K. Metcalfe all that money. It's a funny question, Heath, but obviously we're starting both of them each week. But can we talk about Javante? Did anyone answer? No. I'll take Pickens. I'll take Lamb.

I'm not answering. Heath, you can answer. No, I ask the questions here. What do you guys think about Javante? And just he can't, he's getting so damn close to a touchdown. 20 carries 87 yards, two catches, 14 yards, which is miraculous for him. Two catches for 14 yards. But what do you think about him?

Must start top 15 running back. Yeah. Well, maybe top 20 next week. And the week after. Kansas City and at Detroit. next week, next two weeks. Yeah, it's tough. You got to love the workload.

Rushing averages isn't that bad. He's faced very good run defenses and he's run well against them. Yeah. He just can't score. You're not going to sit him against the Chiefs or the Alliance and they're very deaf matchups. So that tells you who he is. Yeah. All right.

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