Fantasy Football Today - Week 13 Recap! Kyler is Back, but What's Up With Lamar? (12/05 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: December 6, 2021

Kyler Murray is our big winner and Lamar Jackson is our big loser (2:30)! Are we going to consider sitting Jackson next week? And should the Ravens have gone for two or kicked the extra point? ... News and notes (8:00), Fill in the Blank for rookie WRs (12:30), a great performance we're not buying (15:15), a lousy performance we're not buying (17:15) and Terry McLaurin (20:30) ... Winners (22:40) such as Amon-Ra St. Brown and Devonta Freeman and losers (30:30) including Kyle Pitts and Odell Beckham. And then we'll recap each game with our Fantasy takes (41:30) ... Email us at [e-mail] Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben. Oh, Sunday night. Welcome, everybody. Sunday night football about to kick off. That means we've got serious game face Heath Cummings. Welcome to the show. Recapping week 13.

Adam Azer, Dave Richard, and whatever I just called him. Serious game face Heath Cummings. What him, Sirius Gameface Heath Cummings. What's up, Sirius Gameface Heath Cummings? I think Kyler Murray was probably the biggest winner this week. Oh, come on, no. He was healthy enough to run, average six yards carry almost, ran it 10 times, looked 100%. We can stop worrying about Kyler Murray at least until the next injury. That's Sirius Game face Heath Cummings.

Dave, do you think John Harbaugh did the right thing? Would you have gone for two there? I understand his rationale completely. It's the end of the game. They just scored a touchdown with 12 seconds left. They're down by one. Their secondary was beat up. Marlon Humphrey left the game.

It sounds like it's a serious injury. He didn't have enough faith in his defense after a long, tough game to put them back out on the field. So he went for two. And if Mark Andrews had just caught that football, he would have looked like a stinking genius. But he didn't do it. I would have done the same thing, given the circumstances.

Don't forget that the offense just drove right down on Pittsburgh. So that Steelers defense was gassed itself. Looked like Andrews stopped. Looked like they were not on the same page, those two. just drove right down on Pittsburgh. So that Steelers defense was gassed itself. Looked like Andrews stopped. Looked like they were not on the same page, those two. Maybe a little. Yeah. It's a close game and a really exciting finish.

At the same time, the Seattle game was finishing up. That was exciting. Gerald Everett did his best to keep the 49ers in the game, but ultimately the Seahawks prevailed. So great finish to a really fun day. Huge performances from Jonathan Taylor, not a surprise. Tom Brady, not a surprise. Stafford with another big fantasy game.

Lamar Jackson, on the other hand, wasn't. Heath says that Kyler Murray was the biggest winner. Dave, who was the biggest loser this week? I'll name Lamar Jackson, who looked really bad until the final drive of the game, and then he started to play a little bit better and a little bit looser when they had to hurry things up and just pass, pass, pass, pass, pass. But I think he only has four games this year with more than 20 fantasy points, and he did a nice job running the ball this week,

but passing, really not until the end of the game. Yeah, he's just one of the several players that have a very uneven distribution of statistics throughout the year. He's had four blow-up games. He's like the quarterback version of Terry McLaurin. He's actually had three blow-up games and a 24-point game.

And a lot of duds. I mean, as you said, you just said it, right? Four games of more than 20 points all year for Jackson? Right, and that includes a 24-point game. And a lot of duds. I mean, as you said, you just said it, right? Four games of more than 20 points all year for Jackson? Right, and that includes a 24-point game and I believe it's now three consecutive games without 20 fantasy points? Yeah. 16, 10, and 19 in non-decimal

six-point-per-passing touchdown leagues for Lamar. Yeah, what is going on? You know what? Every time I see him, he's got defenders all over him. He's running for his life. The offensive line's definitely an issue. He also hasn't quite played the same since he got sick. Remember when he missed? Well, he had the one bad game, and then I believe he got sick.

That was the Tyler Huntley game. And then since then, hasn't really looked that great. Right. So that was Miami, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh? Or was Miami before that? I think Miami would have been before that, right? Right. And then they're at Cleveland next week,

so maybe a bounce-back chance. Heath, what say you about Lamar Jackson? You can't sit him, right? Believe it or not, Lamar Jackson is a sit in Week 14 against the Browns. Who would you have to have? You could have Herbert, maybe. Right.

So if I'm calling him a loser, I don't necessarily mean, that's it, I'm done with Lamar Jackson, get him off my team. It's more like, I feel like I gotta weigh what my options are, and I can't just blindly start him. Well, I'll give you some quarterbacks

who are potentially available, right? Or you have both, right? You got Roethlisberger at Minnesota on Thursday. He's got 20 or more points in three of his last four games. No. You've got Cam Newton against Atlanta. I can't do it. It might be close.

Taylor Heineke. Really? It might be close. Wow. Taylor Heineke against Dallas. Can't do that either. I'd start Lamar. Taysom Hill at the Jets.

Is he playing? For sure playing? He's playing. I think I've learned my lesson. I would say that that's really close. Got the mallet finger, though. Ryan? I remember him.

All right. Me too. Those are winners and losers winner kyler murray i do want to say just jackson because these types of things in my brain drive me crazy so on on a per on a game-by-game basis in our fft league where i believe dave set a scoring record with like 199.6 points. You couldn't get to 200, you big loser. Lamar Jackson has scored more than 20 fantasy points seven times this season. How many times? He has a couple

20-point games. He hasn't topped 20 but four times, except in decimal scoring, where he's done it seven. Okay, so fine. So make it 21. How many times has he topped 21? One, two, in decimal scoring where he's done at seven okay so fine so make it 21 how many times the top 21 uh one two three four five six really 22 one two three now we are to the four yeah four games four games with more than 22 but that's like i think it's important to recognize when we use those arbitrary endpoints if it's because he has three more games right at the number that we're saying. It's a much different story, those two narratives.

What we're trying to get across is that he's only had three big games this year. And he's had a lot of letdowns. Yeah. is that he's only had three big games this year. And he's had a lot of letdowns. Yeah. So, yeah. But a quarterback who'd only reached 20 fantasy points four times would be much, much worse than what Lamar Jackson has been. Well, he has only reached it four times in non-decimal scoring. He's exceeded 24 times.

When you include decimal scoring, he's a little bit better. I guess I have to really get a better... I think we should try and get everybody on the same page to commit to decimal scoring. I agree. I have to get better at knowing... I mean, everybody in the chat, everybody who listens to this later, everybody who watches this later, basically everybody that plays

Fantasy Football, every commissioner should say, okay, it's time. Let's go to the decimal. Yeah, alright. I agree. And I really should as a host as well. It's much easier. It's just easier to give the round number because if I start saying, well, in his last three games, he has 11.7 and 21.6 and 14.8 point. It's just a lot, I think to digest, but, uh, you know, point taken. All right. Join our Facebook group. You can talk about decimal scoring till the cows come home. You can talk about cows.

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Run through the news and notes. Adam Thielen left in the first quarter with an ankle injury, and he had one catch for zero yards. They have Pittsburgh next week on Thursday, short week, so may not see him in week 14. Elijah Mitchell left.

He came right back, thankfully. He was evaluated for a concussion, came back. Joe Burrow, I don't know if he dislocated his pinky or whatever, but it got a little messed up. He was in pain.

He played through it, but he struggled. To be fair, he struggled before that, too. Defensive end Joey Bosa for the Chargers. He left in the first quarter. They've got the Giants coming. They don't need him for this next week. Logan Thomas left in the fourth quarter. What a shame, too.

I think it was bad, too. He was crying on the bench. Yeah. So it stinks for so many reasons. He's been hurt from a fantasy angle. Really looked like he had a good chance to live up to the this guy's got an amazing schedule. You have to pick him up. He could win you your league hype.

Because yet another tight end caught a touchdown against the Eagles. And two of his next four matchups were going to be against the Eagles. Might be Ray Seals Jones time again. Or John Bates, yeah. Or John Bates. Kenny Galladay left in the second quarter with injured ribs. He came

back. Do we have a snap count? We got a snap count on Galladay. I think he was perhaps in and out. Give me 35 seconds. No cracked ribs for Galladay. Mike Lennon, Giants quarterback, suffered a concussion. We'll see if they get one of them.

He played about half the snap. A little more than half the snaps. Galladay. 38 snaps. Oh, you beat me too. Shraggy B. That's all Shrag. He's a little B2. Shraggy B. Anyway, Giants could be on their third string quarterback next week, or Glennon, or maybe Jones, who knows.

Corey Davis left with a hamstring injury. Terod Taylor left in the third quarter. Davis Mills replaced him. They get Seattle this week, this upcoming week. Jalen Waddell left in the fourth quarter with cramps. He's fine. He's awesome, by the way. Miles Sanders left in the fourth quarter.

Jason Kelsey, their center, left with an injury. They have a bye coming up, their center, left with an injury. They have a bye coming up, so we're expecting Hurts back. Sanders looked really hurt, but we'll see what the situation is after the bye. A few more. Kenyon Drake left in the first half pretty early, and Jamal Adams left with a shoulder injury in the fourth quarter. Seattle's safety, their past events, has been so good,

and they did it again. Another big game against Iyuk. They limited Iyuk. Most of his 55 yards were on, I think, the very last drive or at least the final quarter when Adams was out. Yep. 100%. And Emmanuel Mosley, top cornerback

for the Niners. Really good. Has not allowed a touchdown this year, according to the broadcast. I think it was a Fox game. He left in the first quarter, which you would have thought probably would have helped Metcalf a little bit more. And finally, Jacksonville center, Brandon Linder, left with an injury.

Heath, there were a couple of big swings and misses in this game. They were swings. They were fantasy point swings for the quarterbacks in particular. Jamar Chase could have had a long touchdown. He dropped it, ends up being an interception. Gerald Everett could have had a short touchdown,

but just a few yards. He dropped it, became an interception. Really dramatically changed the games for Russell Wilson and Joe Burrow and Everett and Chase for that matter. Yeah, I mean, that wasn't the only flub up for Everett. He also fumbled on a... Twice.

Well, what's that play called? A stupid pass. A shovel pass kind of? A stupid pass. Yeah, in the goal line. Miserable day for him. You wonder, because coming into this game, and he gets a bunch of targets in this game too, I guess,

but coming into this game, Gerald Everett actually led the Seahawks in targets since Russell Wilson had returned. This is the type of performance that could change that MO and make you not want to throw the ball to Gerald Everett anymore. Yeah, his fumble almost cost them the game.

And Schrager, what do you got here? Negative three, what is it? Negative 3.3 fantasy points for everett in non-ppr and i think he had five four catches so he just barely beat the zero line in full ppr but yeah i mean jamar chase with another bad game but it could have been all made in one huge play and that was an eight point swing for for wilson and with the yard, probably a 10 point swing for, uh, for burrow with those drops that became picks. Uh, let's do some fill in the blank.

Here we go. The best rookie. I'm actually going to change this. The top two rookie wide receivers. Rest of season will be blank. In what order? I think Waddle. I think Waddle's probably first.

Waddle's first? And I just want to make sure I'm not forgetting anybody else. Waddle doesn't play next week, right? Waddle's out. Oh, yeah. You know, we should probably do it per game because Waddle's got a bye, and Elijah Moore really has to be part of this discussion as well. Yeah.

Devontae Smith has a bye next week as well. Yeah, I'm really tempted to say more. All right, so go ahead, Heath. Give me rank the four. Chase and Waddle for me. Chase, Waddle, Moore, Smith for Heath. I'll say Waddle, Moore, Chase, Smith. Open the door.

Leave the wine out. Here comes Elijah. Now, this is per game because he's got the buy and Chase doesn't you really going Elijah Moore over Jamar Chase I'm impressed with I was waiting for this to happen I just didn't know if it was going to happen against Philadelphia especially where Zach Wilson leans on Elijah Moore and he was doing it even before Corey Davis got hurt it was he had the first touchdown of the game It was very clear once he got toward halftime, third quarter, that Elijah Moore was going to be the big target. And it should be.

Heath nailed it on the show this morning. He's the alpha receiver. I didn't disagree with that. Moore's a very talented guy. And he left numbers on the field. I think he dropped another touchdown. No, he was missed. He was off target.

He was open. He did hit his hand, but but yeah hopefully there's a lot less of that coming from Zach Wilson I was a little bit more encouraged with Wilson's play today than I had at any point this season and I think that's what Elijah Moore needs and now fantasy managers should be able to look at Elijah Moore and say okay back to starting him pretty confidently is that worse than number three receiver okay so he if you feel still uh chase over waddle would that be let's do per game how about per game yeah i think per game i'd probably just barely go chase over while you said it he missed the uh the long catch in

this game but i just he's still got eight targets i still believe in burrow and chase and i think he's gonna snap out of this little funk, Waddle has had eight or more targets in six of seven games with Tua, seven or more catches in six of those seven games, and Parker, I didn't know how much Parker played. He played 48 out of 69 snaps. He'll probably have a higher snap share, and I want to, I don't know if we can even find this out, but how much did he

play before Waddle left briefly with the cramps? Anyway, I guess that's the only thing that could throw him off would be Parker and Fuller. But at this point, I don't know. He just seems so perfect for what Tua likes to do. He's just crushing it.

It's beautiful. Alright, a great performance. I am not buying rest of season is blank. Does that make sense? Right. Somebody who did well today that is an aberration.

Yeah. What do you got? I mean, I would start with Amon Monroe St. Brown. We've seen it before from him. Tons of targets, bunch of catches had the game winning touchdown for the lions.

And then the next week he completely vanishes. So I'm not ready to get excited over St. Brown. Okay. Who's another rookie receiver. Am I, am I willing to get excited over Mike Williams, who put together probably his best game in his last five weeks,

just overall. He was involved early, had a little bit more of those short passes. Herbert had a great game. He got off to a great start before that offensive line disintegrated toward the middle of the game. Am I buying him? Probably still going to look at him as a number three receiver. Mike Davis. Oh, yeah.

That's a great call. Okay, yeah. But St. Brown, well, we can talk about St. Brown because Heath Yadim is one of your winners. Dave says he's not buying it. Heath, to what degree are you buying Amonra St. Brown,

who went over 100 yards and had the touchdown? Oh, no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He had 86 yards and a touchdown. 86 yards, yeah. 10 catches. As a flex flex nothing more i don't think anybody in this this offense right now is much more than that but i've thought

for most of the season he was their most talented wide receiver the josh reynolds thing it puts a little bit of a hitch in it because what reynolds can do downfield But Amun-Ross St. Brown is taking some of those targets that we thought were going to be the big increase in targets for TJ Hawkins and that underneath stuff. And he is a very good route runner. So I like him okay as a flex. All right. So a performance...

What's my next one? A lousy performance that you are not buying rest of season is blank can I go back to Thursday yes Dak Prescott okay I mean come on that's kind of an easy one it's a low hanging fruit one so

I'll come up with something better I don't know if I'm believing that it's over for I don believing that it's over. I don't think it's over for Brandon Cooks. What a pretty disappointing day, despite the fact that his team was down huge score in the game. Yeah, that was, I think they had the ball for less than 20 minutes, maybe less than 19 minutes.

And maybe we should have a Saquon Barkley conversation. Well, you tell me. Are you buying this bad performance? It was one of his best of the season, wasn't it? It was, but I hate that he's not getting a ton of carries. And I know he's 13 fantasy points. I think it was actually his third highest. But he didn't score, and on PPR, he was a total dud.

Average five yards per carry? I mean, what more do you need? Well, he was efficient as a rusher, not as a pass catcher. That offensive line ain't getting better. Quarterback play may have impacted him quite a bit, actually. I think if you started Saquon as a number two running back, you got a number two running back stat line. In PPR?

In full PPR with six catches, i think let's that's you got 12 points i think you still expected more than that from sake one yeah come on obviously he was bad i do not expect much more than 12 to 13 from sake one no this is about what i expect weekly wow that sucks it makes me sad man i mean does someone else expect a lot more from Saquon still? No. Okay. I don't think people should, and that's the problem. It's just going to depend on if he scores.

He probably has a PPR floor, though, of 10 to 13 points. Yeah. He's right in that Miles Gaskin range. Ugh. He was awful. I'm going to throw up. Yeah, that was such a bad game, man. Heath, do you have a bad performance you're not buying rest of season?

Darnell Mooney. I think that he'll bounce back and still be a good borderline number two wide receiver rest of season. A terrible matchup. Let's look at the Cardinals schedule here. Can we just sit number ones against the Cardinals now? Can we just make it official? Depends on who they are.

It's been the best of the best, literally Cooper Cup. Next week, it's Cup again. Next week, it's Cup. I'm not sitting Cooper Cup,

so the answer is no. But I might do it in week 15. Detroit. How about Michael Pittman week 16? Depends on what they look like. Yeah, I think he's probably going to be in that number three,

boom bus number three wide receiver range that we love so much. Your fantasy championship, Amari Cooper, week 17. He's not the number one wide receiver for the Cowboys. He will be. Well, they are great against slot receivers, too. Okay, fine. CeeDee Lamb. CeeDee Lamb, starter set. If I'm in my fantasy championship, CeeDee Lamb's going to be in my lineup.

Last fill in the blank. Terry McLaurin is blank. This is coming off a three-catch for 22-yard performance at Las Vegas. Terry McLaurin is blank. A number two wide receiver. A number two wide receiver. A number two wide receiver that I will reluctantly start. Even with all the horrific performances. One of our daily viewers of FFT did not start McLaurin.

She tweeted me and she said that I didn't start him. I'm so glad I didn't. I said, that's great. Congratulations. What did you do instead? She said, well, I had Javante Williams and I just used Williams in my flex. And I said, wow, you've got a bunch of great players on your team. You're lucky. But a lot of people just are not that lucky who invested in Terry McLaurin with a top pick way back in August. So I, at this point, I still feel like there's too much upside to absolutely shut him down now if he were playing Arizona I could be convinced not to use Terry McLaurin and if McLaurin had a really tough matchup and maybe we could say that Philadelphia could be one of those

tough matchups but they've got Dallas Philly Dallas Philly in their next four weeks. I'm going to start them probably in all cases against both those teams. I think Philadelphia is absolutely a tough matchup. And he, by the way, I don't know how much you were able to watch, but in the fourth quarter, at least it really looked like Darius Slay was shadowing Elijah Moore. I know Moore's touchdown on the opening drive.

You want to call it that it was very drive, was not on Darius Slay. But I think by the end of the game, they were putting Slay on him. But I think McLaurin is going to run into a lot of Darius Slay in two of his next four games. I don't know that's going to be such a great finish for him. And yeah, this is a great performance from Elijah Moore, given that this was one of the toughest defenses for wide receivers. I'm kind of all over the place here,

but I'm talking about the Eagles. So as it relates to McLaurin and Elijah Moore. All right, let's do the winners and losers. Heath, your winners are, what are you laughing at? Nothing. Come on, you can laugh at me, it's fine. No, it's, no. Russell Gage, Kyler Murray, and Amon Ross St. Brown.

We already talked about Kyler and Amon Ross, really keeping this moving along. Russell Gage, 12 targets, caught 11 of them for 130 yards. I think he still has really, really low downside. But he's kind of stabilized a little bit into what we would have expected Russell Gage to be in this offense if there were no Calvin Ridley. And I think we have to view Gage now in that borderline number two range

in full PPR moving forward. So could you make the – I'm sure you could make the case, but would you be starting Russell Gage over Terry McLaurin going forward? I probably won't this week, but it's possible that next week, if McLaurin's going against Slay, I have him higher. Yeah, okay.

Kyler Murray and Amandra St. Brown were the other winners, and like Heath said, we already got to those. So, Dave's winners, Devontae Freeman, Russell Wilson, and Van Jefferson. Let's start with Freeman. 14 carries, 52 yards,

and a touchdown. Five catches for 45 yards. He now has scored more than 12 PPR fantasy points. No, double-digit fantasy points in five of his last seven games in PPR. So he's giving you something there. But this is a really good game for Devontae Freeman, Dave.

It is 68% of the snaps. I believe that's toward the season high for him. Two of three snaps from 10 yards or closer. 10 of 16 on third and fourth downs. Tyson Williams is no longer a factor. He was benched. Latavius Murray looks like a slug. This is their best running back.

Tony Romo even commented on the broadcast. He looks like he's going backwards in terms of youthfulness and the fact that he's got some spring in his legs. I think the Ravens have got him. I think the Ravens understand that he's like that as well. So there shouldn't be any more questions about him. I think he's a number two fantasy

running back until further notice. Remitter Barkley. Barkley. If I was so sure that Freeman would get four catches a week, I'd say Freeman. But I'm not. So it's going to be

a close call between those two every week. For week 14, who am I going to take? I've got Saquon against the Chargers. That's a win. I've got to take Saquon even though Freeman's taking on the Browns. I've got to play that matchup. I don't know about...

I mean, he's not... Who was the matchup last week? It was the Eagles. And he stunk. For Saquon? Yeah. Their run defense is terrible. Sure. I don't know if it's terrible. Their run defense? The Eagles? I mean, it's usually...

It's fine. Well, he had 13 carries for 40 yards against Philadelphia. By the way, Saquon Barkley has had more than 13 carries once in seven games. Not counting the Dallas game. One time he's had more than 13 carries. And it was 16. Are you trying to entice me into a victory lap?

Twice, I think. Or just stating fun facts? Is it once or twice? I think it's once. Yeah. I don't, yeah. What do you mean victory lap? What is with you and the victory laps?

You need to exercise? All you've been doing is taking victory laps. You're just giving all these negative Saquon Barkley stats, and you're just tempting me. Oh, please. Uh, all right,

Dave. Also Russell Wilson. How, how much confidence do you have in him after, look, it was a 20 point game, but it should have been 28. Gerald Everett cost him eight points.

I, I thought this is the absolute best that he's looked since coming back from the finger injury. Very encouraged by it. I hope that offensive line can start to play a little bit better. More importantly, they got a semblance of a run game going between Penny and between Adrian Peterson. It's not going to be this one-dimensional offense that's going to get them in trouble. He plays at Houston next week. You're going to start

Russell Wilson and feel pretty darn good about it. Are you guys going to pick up a Seattle running back? I'm, I'm, I'm interested in stashing Rashad Penny ran with good burst and power. Good combination. I'm sure he'll get hurt at some point between now and the end of the year. But until then, I don't mind stashing him on the bench and seeing what happens.

He led the team in snaps in week 13, 40%, I think he had, he didn't have any of the high-value ones. Not many. I shouldn't say a lot. I think he had two snaps inside of 10 yards, but two other Seahawks running backs had more. AP, Travis Homer. Peterson was the goal linebacker, just like he was in Tennessee. Yeah, he got stood up a bunch though too yeah he scored once it's basically all he can do i think is a one yard run van jefferson dave so i'm it's another inefficient game eight targets he caught six of them that's great but only 41 yards and he's

usually around 40 50 yards because his drops are killing his stats. But he did catch a touchdown. So frame this here. You call him a winner. He was 65% started. What do you think about Van Jefferson? You should feel good about starting him as a flex or a number three receiver. There might be some weeks coming up where he does make the top 24.

I love the target volume. Stafford's playing fine. And I think Van Jefferson could end up being ranked. I had Odell higher this week. Odell played fine. Played like a number three receiver. Jefferson played a little bit better. I had Odell as a loser.

And Adam tried to bully me into moving him out of my losers after he scored a touchdown, but he caught two passes for 28 yards on five targets. I put him back. Odell is a loser. I put him back and he was odell is a loser i put him back in there he's back in yeah he's um i think he's just like right now you have to view him in that same mike williams boom bust flex range where you're just hoping you hit it on the right week i one more week where he saw eight plus targets and i would have kind of bought into the idea that odell beckham is going to be a number two wide receiver rest of season.

You can't really believe that right now. No. And I bought into it after last week. I thought that the connection was there and that this was going to end up being a thing now Stafford to Beckham. And it really wasn't. And I don't know how many snaps he played. That's probably something I should look into.

There were a couple of high leverage situations where they were near the goal line and Beckham did not play it looked like he was not on the field that's something I can check out real quick just ask Schrager man Schrager's on it Schragi B will beat you let's see if he does go ahead oh it's a race who's gonna get the snap count first you got I got it I got it the Rams played 66 snaps Odell played on 34 so one of the big topics that Heath and Jamie discussed on the show this morning, I didn't buy into it was that he would be limited and on a snap count.

Sure enough. He was. What were the, so what was Jefferson versus Beckham? I took Beckham. The fellows took Jefferson. No, no,

no, no. Snap count. I meant, Oh, okay. 34 snaps for Beckham out of 66. And 53 for Jefferson. Jefferson had 51.

Cooper Cup at 62. Schrager says 53. All right. See who I signed with here. I don't know who he's looking at. These are counting the two kneel downs. That's fine. Ah, the kneel downs.

Okay. Okay. Let's take a break here. When we come back, we'll talk about the losers, which includes Odell Beckham. And who else? Lamar Jackson we already talked about. Kyle Pitts. We got to talk about him.

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Eligibility requirements apply. See Shopify.com slash POS20 for details. Time for your losers, brought to you by Atlanta's Kyle Pitts. Okay, so Dave, your losers were Lamar Jackson, Darnell Mooney. Heath touched on that. He said that's a lousy performance he's not buying. It was five catches, 27 yards against the Cardinals. This was after two straight games with 121 or 123

yards. Okay. Anyway, your thoughts on Darnell Mooney. What kind of a loser is he? He's at Green Bay next week. That's part of it, is that the matchup against Green Bay is one that I'm going to be nervous to trust him in. If it's Justin Fields coming back from the rib injury or Andy Dalton

coming off of a four-interception game, I think it's Justin Fields coming back from the rib injury or Andy Dalton coming off of a four interception game I think it's going to be difficult for him especially if he doesn't get crazy volume to uh to to be good to be considered a reliable fantasy receiver he's got Minnesota the week after that I'll probably buy back in then and then at Seattle in week 16. Not an easy matchup. Not at all. What is the update now on Seattle? They've given up like one touchdown to a wide receiver in their last eight games? Something like that. But George Kittle had a pretty good game against them.

Oh, tight ends and running backs kill them. Wide receivers, they're great against. It's now one touchdown to a wide receiver for Seattle in their last eight games. It was Jamal Agnew, and that's just not an easy matchup for wide receivers. Now, if Jamal Adams misses time, that could change things, certainly.

But just something to keep in mind if you see your wide receiver has Seattle on his schedule. For Mooney, Heath, how much does the Allen Robinson absence matter? Because his two 100-yard games came without Robinson. Yeah, I mean, it definitely matters. It's the difference between him being a No. 3 wide receiver and a No. 2 wide receiver.

Okay. Dave Kyle Pitts, 78% started. Four catches, 48 yards on seven targets. It's not that bad, I guess. For a tight end. Yeah, it's not that bad. What? I mean, that's not, yeah, I guess. For a tight end. Yeah, it's not that bad. What? I mean, it's not.

That's not. Yeah, it's great. He's better than a than a biweek replacement or a guy. Better than Zach Ertz. He's better than him, too. But you know what? The same as Mark Andrews. Wasn't what I wanted when I started him, Heath Cummings.

I wanted somebody who had a better shot to score. I didn't think you started him. I thought you were telling me. Five or six catches. He was a low endend starter, but eight PPR points, I would like more than that from my Ballyhooed rookie tight end. And he had,

I believe, I don't know how many targets he had in the second half, but I think at halftime he had four for 48. So I went into halftime and I saw his stat line and I thought, okay, great. This is going to be the week he starts to pop off and I'll look stupid for saying that you should consider another tight end. And then he went catchless the second half.

Yeah. You know, one thing I hadn't really brought up enough, Matt Ryan's pass attempts. He got up to 41 today. His previous five games, his high was 30. So probably, and it's not like they were winning and running the ball out. You know, they just,

he was throwing so much at the start of the year. His pass attempts were way down recently, but they came back up today and he got to 297 yards. So with, even with 297 yards, only 48 for Pitts. Yeah.

I just, like, there's so many bad tight ends every week. He's still getting a bunch of targets and air yards. I'm going to keep starting him. He had two second half targets. Did he have any red zone targets today? Was he a bigger loser than Pat Fryer? Muth?

Yeah. Firemuth wasn't great either. He had three for 26. And a two point two point conversion. No, it's not. Look, that's just like salvages them.

Neither one was great and neither one will be a tight end that anybody will confidently start next week. Well, how many tight ends can you confidently start? You know, at least six, true. Not next week.

Cause God hurts on a box. One of them ain't going to be Kyle pits. Uh, losers, Beckham, Boston, Scott, and theca Chenault for Heath. Oh, Boston Scott. Poor Boston Scott.

Well, you know, he wasn't the only one. Daryl Henderson was active and didn't get a snap. What do you have to say about Boston Scott, Heath? Well, I guess since Miles Sanders is hurt, if Miles Sanders stays hurt, then Boston Scott's probably somebody that we can't drop until we know that Miles Sanders is okay. But he's just a decoy, I guess. Like they said, they didn't care that he didn't practice when he was sick

because he's a veteran and he knows what to do. They had him return a kickoff, so it wasn't a help thing. They just didn't want to play him in this game. But if they don't have Jordan Howard, they don't have Miles Sanders, they may not have a choice. They may have to play him. So you can't drop him quite yet, unfortunately. That even makes him a bigger loser almost.

You don't think it was a health thing? I know he returned a kickoff, but... He returned a kickoff. But that doesn't mean that it wasn't a health thing. I guess they could be punishing him for fumbling and costing them the game last week, partially costing them the game. I think he missed a lot of practice,

and that could have been part of the reason why they didn't want him to play. He played 3% of the snaps before Sanders got hurt, and then after Sanders got hurt, he played 0% of the snaps. It could be the missed practice thing, but I believe it was Nick Sirianni specifically who said

I'd be okay with him playing despite missing the practices because he's a veteran yeah but it was also Sean McVay who said we expect Daryl Henderson to play we expect Daryl Henderson to play made him active and he didn't have one touch the entire game we had news before kickoff

that he was going to be active and basically not play. I didn't remember seeing that news. I thought it was pessimistic. But, well, we started Sonny Michel anyway, so go us. We're going to get beat by 30 points anyway. Well, yeah, but tiebreaker points. LaVisca Chenault.

What else is there to say about him? It's one thing to get nine targets and turn it into 40 yards. It's another thing when the targets fall to five and the Quan Treadwell is outperforming you. And I watched a little bit and I I've come to a determination and this could change by next year. Cause next year is his third year in the NFL. And you shouldn't really judge receivers too much until you get to that third

year, like finally, but he is not a good wide receiver. and you shouldn't really judge receivers too much until you get to that third year, like finally. But he is not a good wide receiver. He is bad at playing wide receiver. Almost just spit out my water. I was not expecting that. That was a hot take.

No, I don't think it's a hot take, really, if you look at his statistics and his career. I don't think he's good at playing wide receiver in the NFL currently. Okay, yeah. Chenault's only 38% rostered. Marvin Jones, I think, is still in the 85-86% range. Free up a roster spot, people.

Right, you're never going to use them. 83% rostered, 38% started. Cool little reflective thing going on with those numbers. Yeah. Listen, I have a secret to fantasy football that I'd like to share with everybody. I don't remember if I've already done this, but...

Is it don't start any Jaguars receivers? No, it's don't make this a point when you're drafting, but if you have maybe a tiebreaker scenario, drafting players with late bye weeks is a really good idea. Yeah. Because there are a lot of fantasy managers that have given up at this point and you might just run into one. I ran into one this week in one of our leagues. I ran into one last week in one of our leagues and I lost to him. And that was Pete Briscoe started Michael Carter and I, my team sucks so bad. I lost to him and that was Pete Briscoe who started Michael Carter and my team sucked so bad

I lost anyway, but there are a lot of people that just are not setting lineups this time of year. I know you're not one of them if you're listening, but it's a fantasy reality. So, late bye weeks, I think you can get away with it because people have quit, unfortunately.

Alright, now if you have played... Don't be one of those people, by the way. No, don't be. Play in one of those leagues where you penalize people for it, then you can ignore everything. You don't have to go hog wild on the waiver wire when your team gets to eight losses or nine losses,

but set a lineup. Yeah, for sure. Don't leave somebody like Eric Kendricks in your lineup when he ruled out at 1130 when there's a specific rule in that league about starting players who have been ruled out and you've complained

about the commissioner starting players who have been ruled out. By the way, I'm probably going to win. Congratulations. Good job. Very sorry to hear that, Dave. You guys have to hear what Jamie and Chris, more so Jamie, were so wrong about something. I'm just going to say my side of it.

I'm just going to give you a scenario. Let's say you have saved up your fab. You're in a fab league and you get to the playoffs and you know your opponent really needs a quarterback. What if you used all of your fab, basically, to pick up every available quarterback? Is that fair game? really needs a quarterback. What if you used all of your fab, basically, to pick up every available quarterback? Is that fair game?

Is that a jerk move? How do you feel about that? Total jerk move. It's a total jerk move, but also, there's two different things here. One is using all of your roster spots and rostering all of those quarterbacks through the games. That is completely and totally legal. The other is picking up quarterbacks and then dropping them so they'll stay on the waiver wire.

That is completely illegal, and those players should be taken off the waiver wire and made available as free agents. Right, that's the right move for a commissioner to make is if some boner does that. But if you want to hold six quarterbacks on your bench for the week, jerk move completely equal. How is it a jerk move? It's not a jerk move. It's a smart move. You're rewarding yourself for saving your fast. There's lots of smart moves in life that are also jerk moves.

I don't agree. I don't agree. All right. All right. Fine. You know what? We debated it thoroughly on Saturday's mailbag. If you want to go back and listen, fantasy cops. Colts 31, Houston zero. Let's go to our believe it or not.

Believe it or not, we just shouldn't start any Texans. You need to amend this to be believe it or not, we shouldn't start Brandon Cooks. And now that Davis Mills could be coming back under center, maybe i should amend what i said earlier about brandon cooks maybe we shouldn't feel so good about starting him i think you've got a lower expectations in terms of wide receivers that you're frustrated with right let's talk about where he ranks so let's throw mclaurin in there. I'm still going to put Mike Williams in there. I finally sat him and of course he goes off. Brandon Cooks. Oh, I wish you had told

me that before. I told everyone. I would have ranked him in the top 15. Brandon Cooks. Alright, so let me give you four wide receivers. McLaurin Cooks, Mike Williams, Michael Pittman. How would you rank them? McLaurin, Pittman, Cooks, Williams.

I think it depends on what the format is. Fantasy football. Because Pittman's going to be higher. Pittman's still a startable fantasy receiver in full PPR, probably in half PPR. I feel like now with yet another quarterback change,

and the Texans are just so sloppy. I think cooks has to be less on the list. Carson Wentz going into his buy and then he gets new England the following week. So you're not starting him for the next few weeks. May we all be so blessed to play against the team that has Jonathan Taylor and fantasy next week. Amen to that.

I was, I gosh, you knew he was going to have a huge game. 32 carries 143 yards, two touchdowns next game. Chargers 41 bangles 22. Believe it or not. Jamar chase is no longer a must start wide receiver.

If I'm loaded at wide receiver. Yes, I can find a path to sit him down, but I've just got to be absolutely loaded. if I'm loaded at wide receiver, yes, I can find a path to sit him down, but I've just got to be absolutely loaded. Um, I still think he is, boy, I don't like his schedule.

And his quarterback might have a broken pinky or something. Can I, can I amend it? Believe it or not. T Higgins is a better start than Jamar chase, not amend it. You have to answer the Tee Higgins is a better start than Jamar Chase. Not amend it. You have to answer the original question and you can do a second question if you would like.

I don't think he is a must start. I feel like I'm nuts, but I don't think he's a must start. Okay. It's five straight games without even 13 PPR points. When you look at Tee Higgins, you have to think 13 plus PPR points.

And Jamar Chase had two drops. I could see myself starting Higgins ahead of Chase. I would not start Higgins ahead of Chase, but they are both number two wide receivers for me. I'm starting both. Are you starting both with the assumption that only one can have a good game? No. How many more weeks will both have a good game from Burrow? Two. Schrager, let's get a poll going here.

Chase or Higgins, rest of season. And, all right, anything, yeah, there's got to be more from this game. This is an exciting,

fantasy-relevant game. So, I guess we should probably just instead of mentioning Mike Williams, talk about him. 100-yard game. I believe he had two catches of 40-plus yards in this game.

I would really, and this is debatable, but I don't really feel like this game changed anything. Yeah, he has to catch. Perception of Mike Williams. Yeah, he has the catch. He's a boom-bust number three wide receiver. Five catches for 110 yards from Mike Williams. I like that he had multiple good plays in the game. You know what else I like?

It's the first time in a while since he's had more than one good play. The other thing he gets every week, though, he gets a target inside the five-yard line. He had another one. Right. Last week, he did not.

Yeah, but really every week. Okay, that's it for this game. Unless you want to... No, let's talk about Burrow. 18 or fewer fantasy points in non-decimal scoring. 18 or fewer fantasy points in three straight games. I'll just say three bad fantasy games in a row. How much faith do you have in Joe Burrow? Let's assume he's healthy. Let's assume he's healthy. How much do you have faith in Joe Burrow, San Francisco,

Denver, Baltimore, Kansas City next four weeks? No. He'll be a borderline number one fantasy quarterback until that offensive line gets healthy i think i've had him outside of my top 12 each of the past two weeks and i don't anticipate he will be inside the top 12 against any of those matchups philadelphia 33 jets 18 like i'm starting lamar jackson over him regardless of matchup still yeah Yeah, I would too. Believe it or not, the Eagles should start Gardner Minshew after their bye. How about this? It took us 45 minutes to finally get to Gardner Minshew?

Keith, I don't know how you could restrain yourself for that long, but I am proud of you for it. Well, I sent some tweets to Pete. Yeah, I sent some tweets to Pete throughout the afternoon just to release some of it. But yeah, it's... Did he write you back? No, Pete didn't.

He had some things to say about Gardner Minshew today. Yeah, he did. I'm sure he did not like the way that he played. He'd much rather watch Sam Darnold or somebody. But no, I mean, phenomenal effort. He was great. He was great. There's no complaining about it.

He was a good passer. He gave them a good passing game. And, I don't know, I think Jalen Hurts is probably going to be healthy when they come out of the bye. No, that's not the question. What was the question? Should they start Gardner Minshew? No.

The answer is no. Because I think that Hertz will be fine coming out of the buy and they'll just go right back to him against Washington yeah I'd say no from a fantasy standpoint I would as a I know this is crazy because he had such a bad game but Devante Smith anyone in the passing game I'd rather have Gardner Minshew. He threw for 242 yards. Jalen Hurts has not sniffed that in five games. Maybe once, but I don't think so. I don't think he's been more than 190 games.

So Adam, what do you think the Eagles, you're Eagles fan Adam. I go Hurts, you go Hurts. You go Hurts, okay. I'd say. But if Hurts, if they didn't have a bye next week, say they're playing Washington next week and Hurts wasn't at 100%,

then yeah, I think Minshew, he's earned enough to get another start. Yeah, Devontae Smith, two catches, 15 yards on four targets at the Jets. Oh, that's terrible. Now this guy, is he behind the other four, right? We had McLaurin, Pittman, Cooks, Mike Williams. Would you start all of them?

I know they have a bye next week, but just in general, do you like all of them better than Devontae Smith? I think you have to say yes to that. I don't know coming out of the bye. My suspicion is Cooks and Williams underwhelm next week and Devontae Smith ranks ahead of them. But it may be determined by how they do next week. He's right in their neighborhood.

The other two guys are definitely ahead of him. It is pretty amazing that another tight end caught a touchdown against the Eagles. It was Ryan Griffin, 15 yards and a touchdown. Last thing here, I've been pretty impressed with Tevin Coleman. I've started him two straight weeks out of desperation, and it's not like he's been amazing, but I'll take it.

But next week against New Orleans, it's a no, right? And then it's Miami after that. And then it's Jacksonville after that. Yeah, but Carter, it could be back at that point. And then it's Tampa Bay after that. All right, can we just take it one by one? New Orleans, yes or no? No. Okay? No.

Okay. No. All right, Arizona 33, Chicago 22. This is a tough one. Believe it or not, you shouldn't really feel very good about DeAndre Hopkins as a number one wide receiver. Believe it. As a number one?

Can I... Yeah, believe it as a number one can i can yeah believe it but now i'm gonna amend it top 18 one and a half i think he's gonna be between that 18 to 24 range for me most weeks until he shows signs that he's really healthy and really back'm going to get a snap count on him too. 39. But that's the thing. Like earlier in the season he was performing solely based on touchdowns. He's not had a number one wide receivers target

volume or catch per game or receiving yards per game. He's just scored a bunch of touchdowns. And he hasn't been a number one wide receiver per game. I took away the week against Green Bay. He played 25% of the snaps. So I looked at the first seven games of the season. Hopkins was per game, I want to say, 13th in non-PPR,

18th, maybe 19th in full PPR. But I have faith in him just to produce, you know, one way or another. I'm never taking him out of my lineup. Sorry. All this talk about all these wide receivers is Hopkins is not what I'm sitting. Mostly because I don't have

DeAndre Hopkins in any leagues. But if I did, I'd be starting him. Agre but i still think that the cardinals have kind of found their way into becoming a a more run friendly offense than maybe what they had envisioned at the beginning of the year yeah which leads me to another believe it or not which i'll give after he talks go no go ahead go ahead no do you have something to say about hopkins in the office at all go ahead believe it or not there's actually a little cause for concern with james connor moving forward um because chase is coming back yeah and he will cut into some of that work. I think it was, I'll get the official snap share for our guy, James Conner.

90%. I think Conner had eight catches before Chase Edmonds' injury. So, yes, I think there's some concern. He's been a number one running back since Edmonds has gone down. The one thing I'm not sure of, and this will get me in some trouble probably with some of the stat people, but coming into this year in the off season, I had sent something out about how, you know,

James Conner has actually been a lot better on a per target basis than chase Edmonds. Are we sure chase Edmonds is better than James Conner in the passing game? And everyone said, well, yeah, it's because he was playing with roethlisberger and edmunds was playing with kyler coming into this game james connor was averaging almost nine yards a target chase edmunds was averaging less than six edmunds has never been particularly good in the passing game on a per target basis he looks like he is he definitely looks like a running back who is good in that regard but but he's not particularly good at it.

James Conner has been better. Do the Cardinals realize that, or do the Cardinals dial back Conner so that he doesn't risk getting hurt? Right. Do you still feel like even knowing that, that they're still going to use Edmonds in that role? But I think it's a possibility that he, you mentioned the eight catches he had before Edmonds in that role. But I think it's a possibility that he, you mentioned the eight catches

he had before Edmonds went down. I think it's a possibility he gets more targets now than he did before Edmonds was hurt. And more carries. You know, because Edmonds was getting a decent amount of carries. It might just be his backfield now. Well, at least the running downs.

How do you feel about David Montgomery? Great game for Montgomery. 90 rushing yards, 51 receiving yards, 8 catches for David Montgomery. He's awesome. He's awesome. Some of the moves he made in this game to evade defenders, I don't

know how you watch him play football and come away with any other impression that he is very, very good. Yeah, but he hasn't been that good for fantasy and he's not i i would be shocked if he has a game like this receiving wise if justin fields is back so you know can't sell high anymore but do you feel like uh this is the this is the the pinnacle of the season for him for day for david montgomery or can we get another strong league-winning finish? He just scored 28 fantasy points. I think it's probably the pinnacle.

That's probably the top. I don't mean it too literally. I mean, you know what I mean. What do you expect rest of the season from David Montgomery? I don't expect eight catches. I don't expect 51 yards. He came into this game with 12 receptions for 103 yards so he really boosted those year-to-date numbers and I don't think

that's gonna happen again although it would be smart for the Bears to lean on him in that regard and to teach Justin Fields to dump it off to him, use him in the pass game just in general. That would be also a great way to maybe take some carries off of him and using him on the edge. I don't think he'll have a chance to get as seriously hurt there versus between the tackles, but I can't count on him to have a game like this again. I don't think anybody benched him this week either. So enjoy it. It's great.

But moving forward, he's still going to be a running back who you're going to need a touchdown from for him to have a top 12 finish. He's pretty much in the set it and forget it category for me. He's the number two running back that I'm starting every week. Okay. Tampa Bay 30 and Atlanta 17.

What do we got? Believe it or not, Rob Gronkowski really is a top two tight end top three well i think after this week he'll be number two so he passed andrews i just i probably i think the answer to that question is yes how many people out there have to make a decision on gronk or andrews every single week this point? It's got to be a small percentage. Well, but there could be people with Gronk and Kittle or Gronk and Waller or Gronk and Hawkins. Sure, but Gronk ahead of pretty much everybody. You've got a decision to make if it's Andrews or

Kittle. Even with the game that Hawkinson had both last week and this week, I'm still going to start Gronk ahead of him. Let's talk about Cordero Patterson because everyone's starting Gronk. Anything, well, do we have to? Anything to say about him? I guess he's really been the running back. He's not as much in the passing

game the last two weeks. I believe this was his first full game without 14 PPR points at minimum since week one. Yeah. That's interesting. Just kind of a bummer.

But, you know, I don't mind it. I'm still going to start him. 96 total yards, three catches for Patterson, and 78 rushing guards against this run defense, which didn't really show up today.

We talked about Pitts. We talked about Gage. You know about Tampa Bay. Start their guys. Detroit 29, Minnesota 27. Woo! Great defense at the end there. What a game.

Heath? Believe it or not, Jamal Williams was a mirage and is a flex at best until DeAndre Swift returns. Let's see who they play next week, because I think the matchup plays a big role. It's Denver next week. I'm still going to like playing Jamal Williams as at worst a low-end number two running back.

So I don't believe the flex talk. I'm with you. I don't either, but like 70% of the people in the poll did. Yeah, people are really very, very discouraging. The thing that bugged me and that will have me projecting him much lower next week. I know Godwin Igwebuke was the two minute back and he was the third down

back. I think Jamal Williams only had one target and only only caught one pass. So he did not get the role that I expected, but he still had 17 carries 18 touches they've scored a lot of rushing touchdowns he'll be the goal line guy you should still start jamal williams of swift is out next week he played 48 of the snaps just an absolute bummer of a stat 40 that's not good yeah um but i think he had like 60% of the running back touches. Yeah.

This is really disappointing. 60? I think it was way more than that, right? Was it? Well, he had 17 carries and one catch, so that's 18. Jefferson and Iguibuque had seven carries and two catches combined? One catch combined. So yeah, that's,

that's 66%. Okay. That's still a lot. I, I was surprised that he, that 41 passes for golf and 296 yards. Really good game for him, by the way,

uh, that only one catch three touchdowns. It's amazing for golf and Hawkinson. How many times was he sacked by the way? Just twice, three, three times. I'm not sure. Three.s. It's amazing for a golf. And Hawkinson. How many times was he sacked, by the way? Just twice, three? Three times. I'm not sure. Three?

Yeah. I don't know if this matters to you, but Hawkinson, two weeks ago, he became the third tight end to catch a touchdown against the Bears, and today he became the second tight end to catch a touchdown against the Vikings. So good for him.

Yeah. Miami 20, Giants 9. Believe it or not, you need to hold Devontae Parker through the bye. Nah, I think you can get away with it. I don't think you have to. The wording I don't like, so I'm going to say I'm going to say

don't believe it, but he's not a bad guy to hold through the bye he faces the Jets in the first week of the fantasy playoffs wow I do not want to put that out there on the waiver wire as mostly good as he has been all year long whenever he's played he should be very healthy they'll be coming off a bye facing the Jets. I want to start in week 17 too. Sure, sure. But he's also got the Titans in week 17.

So two of those three matchups in the fantasy playoffs are going to be good. Trusting him is another story. If you need roster space and he's someone who's on your bench, maybe he's on your bench for a reason. And if you let him go, maybe to pick up running back that's out there, maybe Jordan Howard's out there, somebody like that. I think he's droppable. Jordan Howard's going to buy this week.

I know, but which would you rather carry in the fantasy playoffs, a bench receiver or a bench running back? Which guy would you rather? Let's say Miles Sanders is out for the year, God forbid, but it might happen. Howard could be back after the bye. I think I'd rather have the running back on my bench. Well, that's a slightly different story,

but my point was that I don't view Devontae Parker as a bench receiver coming out of his bye. I think he's going to be a starter in Week 15, and so that makes him a hold. Mike Kosicki did have 11 targets. He had seven catches for 46 yards and he had an almost touchdown. It got targeted in the end zone. Couldn't quite come down with it.

As far as the Giants go. Hit him in the face. It did. Giants defensive back, Aaron Robinson made a pretty good play to kind of, I might've gotten a fingertip on it, but it did kind of hit Kosicki in the face. For the Giants, back Aaron Robinson made a pretty good play to kind of... It might have gotten a fingertip on it, but it did kind of stick in the face. For the Giants, I mean,

do you care about rostering Galladay? Shepard? No. They're bad. All right, Rams. I'm holding on to Shepard in one league. Yeah, when Shepard is cleared, there should be a mad dash to the waiver wire to go pick him up. Yeah. When Shepard is cleared, there should be a mad dash to the waiver wire

to go pick him up. Right. Assuming that Jones is the quarterback at that time. Rams 37, Jacksonville 7. Woof. Believe it. Believe it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't

know what to say about these. Believe it or not, James Robinson is not a must-start running back. The only reason why I would believe that is because this coaching staff treats him poorly. Yes, he had a fumble early on. That means you're really going to put him in the doghouse and give Carlos Hyde more work? You really believe that much more in Carlos Hyde after everything that James Robinson has shown you this year? That tells me that the coaching staff cares more about sending

a message than they do putting their best talent on the field to try and win a game. What if he was hurt, though? What if it was an injury situation? If it was an injury situation, then the coaching staff is doing the right right thing but i don't know if that's what the case is he got benched the week prior because of a fumble and there was a big hubbub in jacksonville because they asked urban meyer about it and he said he didn't know what they were talking about and then the next day he came back to the press conference and said i i asked why he was benched. And it's because they thought Carlos Hyde had more juice. My goodness. They're blind.

Prune juice, maybe. Yeah. Go ahead. Finish your thought. Prune juice. I don't think he's a must start. You're definitely starting David Montgomery over him. I'm definitely starting Saquon Barkley over him. I think I'm starting Devontae Freeman over him.

I'm not definitely starting Saquon. I think in full PPR, I'm definitely starting Barkley over him. Yes. Yeah, and by our Twitter poll, let me just update you because I'm going to forget. 53% would rather have Jamar Chase. 46% would rather have Tee Higgins. So very close. Kind of close.

Yeah. Also in this game, do we think next week, let's say Daryl Henderson is good, ready to go, what does the backfield look like? What is the split? My gut says it's still going to be a lot of Henderson. Okay. I was kind of thinking the other way around,

but all we have is gut right now because I think it's close enough, as well as Michelle played and as many times as Henderson has gotten hurt. I think there's genuine reason, if both these guys are healthy, to question it. Oh, please don't be the Patriots all over again.

I don't think it'll be the Patriots. I think they'll have a guy. It really has never been that way for them. Right. Our next game, Washington 17 and the Vegas Raiders 15. Believe it or not, Antonio Gibson is going to be a top 12 running back

rest of season. Believe it. Yeah, I believe it. Great belief. Strongly believe. They got to keep winning. Believe it or not, Josh Jacobs is going to be a top 12 running back rest of the season.

I don't believe it. I can't. I think he'll be close, though. Especially with Drake hurt and kind of maybe seriously hurt. I cannot wait until February or March, the first time I get to say to Adam, when Adam talks about how bad Josh Jacobs has been the past two years,

to say he's been a top 12 running back each of the last two years. What are you talking about? Yep. Nine catches in this game. At least this year he's doing it differently. It's not all touchdowns and you cross your fingers that he gets enough carries. The nine catches and the nine targets, outstanding.

Love, love, love to see it. When they sign a third down back, you know. They, on the broadcast today, Somebody like Kenyon Drake? He's not a third down back. I mean, that's the thing. And he was taking catches away from Jacobs earlier. On the

broadcast today, I don't remember who was calling the game. They said that Greg Olson. Oh, it was actually Greg Olson, the tight end, former tight end, was saying that Greg Olson, the offensive coordinator, said that the Raiders are better pass blocking than they are run blocking. And it's hard to judge Josh Jacobs. They are a really bad run blocking team. Jacobs' touchdown was an excellent great play um

really good footwork all right i'll victory lap here since he's just been doing that for the last two weeks i told you you were too high on derrick carr that was crazy you can't trust him without waller and obviously rugs 11 points come on but at leastota. I don't think Mariota got in. Mariota played. He didn't do anything statistically. Hunter Renfro is, at least if Waller's not there, he's an absolute must-strike. That's awesome. Yep.

All right. Pittsburgh 20, Baltimore 19. So we already did the Ben Roth, or the Lamar Jackson one, which was, um, I think we did Najee Harris last week. Ooh, do a chase Claypool one. Do a chase Claypool.

I think everybody's going to believe it, but believe it or not, chase Claypool is a boom bust. Number three, just like Mike Williams. I think he's worse than Mike Williams. I think he's better than Mike Williams. I think I'm really mad at Mike Williams. Yeah. You hate Mike Williams. I think he's better than Mike Williams. I think I'm really mad at Mike Williams.

Yeah, you hate Mike Williams. For sure. I had to pick one for the rest of the season. It's Williams. What was it? Three targets for Claypool? That was bad. Three.

Was that like NBA Jam? Three. That's NBA Jam. Yeah, Claypool. Two catches, 52 yards. He's basically the same as Mike Williams, I guess. Yep. I don't think he gets as many targets.

Not consistently, anyway. I don't know. I mean, you're talking about Mike Williams before this game was getting about five or six every week. Am I wrong about that? I could be wrong about that. Last week, I think, was... I'd have to double-check it.

I don't have every stat on the forefront of my mind, but I can look at the Steelers receiving stats. And Claypool did have nine and eight coming into this week. But before that, there were a lot of games with five and six. Almost entirely been, and this was a weird game that they won, but it's almost entirely been that Chase Claypool gets a bunch of targets when they lose and almost no targets when they win. That's absolutely right.

How many passes did Roethlisberger throw today? He threw 31. The problem is, in using that logic, you would have started Chase Claypool this week. But you even said it, that everything on paper felt like the Ravens should win this game, but it was Ravens-Steelers. It was a desperation game. It was at home.

You even said... And they almost lost. They did almost lose, yeah. All right, Claypool is what he is, number three. And do you guys... I mean mean Roethlisberger is probably playing a little bit better lately give him a little bit of credit here and like I said 20 or more points in three of his last four games you start him at Minnesota next week probably not it's a short week game makes me nervous all right last game here is Seattle. Seattle 30.

Seattle 30 and San Francisco 23. Believe it or not, Tyler Lockett's better than DK Metcalf. Been ranking it that way for a couple weeks now. I believe it. What? I believe it. I think I've done this, believe it or not, maybe five times over the last

three years, and Adam's never said, I believe it. He's always stood by his man. Well, I believe DK Metcalf is a better wide receiver than Lockett, although I think they're both excellent. But just not working. It was really close today. He had a couple of almost touchdowns in this game.

But I just trust Lockett. I love the route on the Lockett touchdown. I guess he was pretending like he was blocking, but he did some little breakdown thing in front of the corner and then took off behind him and Russ just threw it up in the air. Lockett ran underneath it.

It was a beautiful touchdown. Looked like old school Russ and Lockett. It's just such a weird year. It's like I've got this team with Marquise Brown and DK Metcalf. And I can't sit them. My other options would be Devante Smith, Chase

Claypool, Odell Beckham. I think a lot of fantasy managers are in these situations. Sure. Yeah, start sitting DK Metcalf. He's not producing. Who are you going to sit him for? Right. You don't have a guy. Elijah Moore. That would be a guy that you could consider.

You know what? I'm not ready to say, yes, you should start Moore ahead of Metcalf, but I'm also not ready to say, oh, that's preposterous. He can't do that. What about Brandon Ayuk? Yeah. With Debo out, I think I probably would.

Would you? George Kittle had 181 receiving yards and two touchdowns today. Mm-hmm. Yep. How much yak? He was freaking incredible in this game. One of his best performances. So many broken tackles.

What a beast he is. And then on the San Francisco side, Eli Mitchell had every carry by a running back. Matt Breida had like a 25-yard carry that was called back because of a hold. Breida? Matt Breida? No, Jeff Wilson.

Yes, he did. Jeff Wilson. Well, they called it back. They wanted Mitchell to have all the carries. Yeah. So they held. Okay. and he left the game he left the game for a little bit with a concussion he had to get checked out but he's um he was not the leading rusher in this game who was oh travis homer yes if you are looking at the box score, Travis Homer had a 72-yard fake punt.

73-yard touchdown run on a fake punt. You don't get DST points for that, do you? No. No, right. But you know what's really annoying is that it's going to screw up San Francisco's ranking against running backs. That was a running play from a running back. Yeah, but you know, that's an Acer stat. I'm removing it. goes ranking against running backs. You give up. It was a running play from a running back. Yeah.

But you know, that's an Acer stat. Like I'm removing it. All right. Let's get back to Javante Williams week. We are done here for tonight. Thank you for watching everybody. Thank you for listening.

Really appreciate. What is this comment here? Football is missing something, not entertaining anymore. Did you watch football today? It's not missing anything. It's amazing. It's the best. Awesome. Awesome finishes to some of the late games.

Football's the best. Every sport sucks except for football. That's kind of where I'm at right now. Sorry about your necks. Yeah, it's exactly 100%. Andrew Yankees. Okay. We'll talk to you tomorrow. It'll be me, Chris, and Jacob on the Monday show.

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