Fantasy Football Today - Week 15 Tough Calls, Fantasy Cops, Dynasty Talk (12/13 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: December 13, 2023

Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and wherever else you listen to podcasts How about some random trivia to start the sh...ow? Find out which division has three of the top six TEs and more! Then we've got news and notes (6:45) and we begin our Week 15 Tough Calls with the quarterbacks (9:45). How much do we trust Tua Tagovailoa, Jared Goff and Patrick Mahomes? At running back (19:05), D'Andre Swift and Javonte Williams are among the tough calls we'll have to make ... Tough calls at wide receiver (28:50) include Ja'Marr Chase, Amari Cooper and Adam Thielen. And then we'll discuss Dallas Goedert (31:15) before previewing Chargers-Raiders (34:30). Is there a single player in this game that is a great start? ... The Fantasy Cops are back (42:00) and we're settling your league disputes! We also talk dynasty (50:30) ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:43 No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Well, we've got some tough calls this week, don't we? Are we starting Tua against the Jets? Are we starting Patrick Mahomes against the Patriots? Are we starting James Connor against the 49ers? We'll talk about
Starting point is 00:02:11 some of these Week 15 tough calls, and we'll look ahead to the Thursday night game. Preview that. We've got the Fantasy Cops coming on today. That'll be fun. Everybody's got these... A lot of people have the same issue. It's inactive commissioner or
Starting point is 00:02:27 inactive managers and lineups that are screwing up who gets in the playoffs and things like that, so we'll try to sort out that mess. Good morning, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Who's feeling great today? Yeah. Wow, looks like you guys are owning it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:43 I've got a trivia segment for you guys. I'm excited about it. We can start with it. You want to start with the trivia? Yeah, yeah, that'll get us fired up. Let's go trivia. Random trivia. I have one random trivia question about each position.
Starting point is 00:02:56 Josh Allen is QB one per game. He's averaging 27 points per game in six point per passing touchdown leagues. When was the last time the number one quarterback averaged fewer than 27 points per game? Whoever's closest wins. Does that give you the year or the player? Either one. Matt Ryan. No,
Starting point is 00:03:23 it's a great call. Yeah, that's a good call. No. Okay's a great call. Yeah, that's a good call. No? Okay. I'll say... How about the year? Try the year.
Starting point is 00:03:33 When was the last time the number one quarterback was worse than this on a per-game basis? What's the number again? 27 points. 27? 2019. Heath, give me a year. 2018.
Starting point is 00:03:52 Dave? I feel like you're tricking us, and it's last year. It's 2014. It was Andrew Luck. I was thinking pre-COVID when they did all the holding calls and changed the rules. Yeah, I was thinking like pre-COVID when they did all the holding calls and changed the rules. Yeah, I was surprised. I mean, it's really been, in some ways, a down year for quarterbacks. In some ways, a pretty good year for quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:04:13 You know, like good emerging quarterbacks. It's a terrible year for quarterbacks. It's a good year. It was not a bad year to stream quarterbacks. It was a great year for waiting on quarterback and not drafting one early. I was looking at it last night. Tua is like QB 13 or 14 per game now, and he's still averaging more than 20 points per game. Right. We got plenty of depth at the position.
Starting point is 00:04:34 It's been really bad for the guys we drafted early. Last year was a bad streaming year. All right. Here's a running back random trivia question. Four of the top five running backs in PPR points per game were drafted outside the top 60, according to Fantasy Pro's consensus PPR
Starting point is 00:04:53 ADP. Name them. Four of the top five running backs in PPR points per game were drafted outside the top 60. Mostert, Achan, Kyron Williams. Uh-huh. Points per game.
Starting point is 00:05:11 Rashad White? Oh. Good guess, but no. Oh, was Kamara not in there? He was like 61. Unbelievable. And I tried to go back and find. I didn't go back that far,
Starting point is 00:05:25 but I feel like this might be the first time that two running backs on the same team could finish top five in PPR points per game. The one that came to mind was Ingram and Kamara, but they were top seven. Amazing. HN and Mostert are top five per game. Easier when one of them misses a lot of time, right?
Starting point is 00:05:44 All right. If you talk to, I was talking to some Dolphins fans yesterday and they would tell you or top five per game. Easier when one of them misses a lot of time, right? All right. I was talking to some Dolphins fans yesterday, and they would tell you that's probably not going to happen because they're never going to score points or win games again. Despondent Dolphins fans. It's funny to be more excited about the Giants than the Dolphins. Hey, got a better quarterback. What can you say?
Starting point is 00:06:03 Who has the second most? Yeah, I got a better quarterback. What can you say? Who has the second most... Yeah, I love the celebration. Who has the second most targets among wide receivers, but is 13th in yards and 27th in touchdowns? Second most targets among wide receivers for the season? Yeah, 13th in yards, 27th in touchdowns. Is it Keenan Allen? It's not Keenan Allen. It's not Keenan Allen.
Starting point is 00:06:26 No. Michael Pittman. It is Michael Pittman. Yes, Michael Pittman. Crazy year for him. A ton of targets. All right, and then this one. Which division...
Starting point is 00:06:39 Future chief? Anybody. Anybody. I'll take anybody. Which division has three of the top six tight ends in PPR? NFC West. Incorrect. No, they only have two.
Starting point is 00:07:02 Sorry, delayed. Incorrect. NFC North? NFC North. Schaefer knew it. Who are they? Hawkinson, Laporta, Komet. Yeah, Komet.
Starting point is 00:07:16 Tight end six. And I think he's tight end seven per game. Well, there's your random trivia. All right. Welcome to the show, everybody. Check out. So that was basically the fantasy feud segment that you decided you didn't want to have as a game show. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:29 So you called it random trivia. Got it. Yeah. It was quick, though, you know. It was. It was good. Interesting. Get people's attention.
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Starting point is 00:08:13 They've got the Raiders, the Bills, the Broncos, and the Chiefs. Nick Mullins is going to start for the Vikings. Keenan Allen has not been practicing this week. I feel like he's going to play. You guys feel like he's going to week. I feel like he's going to play. You guys feel like he's going to play? We feel like he's going to play. I hope he does. And Josh Palmer is back.
Starting point is 00:08:32 So let's combine news item number one with news item number three. A good producer, talking about myself here, would have put those back-to-back in the notes. Are you sure you're talking about yourself and not JVT? Yeah, I have to do the notes here. Sure, okay. I'm not trying to throw anyone under the bus, throwing myself under the bus.
Starting point is 00:08:50 Yeah, do you guys consider Keenan Allen a must-start player going forward, or are we going to wait and see what happens this week? He's definitely a must-start guy in three receiver leagues. There's no doubt about it. I think in two receiver leagues, for the most part, you're starting him just with the hope that Easton Stick continues to target him the way that Justin Herbert had targeted him. It's more of an offensive thing, and just the quality of targets will be a little bit worse.
Starting point is 00:09:15 But look, it's the Raiders. You know they allow a lot of underneath throws. It's very difficult to have a lot better options than Keenan Allen. I'd view him as a must start this week. And that's subject to change depending on how this week goes. Heath, do you think Easton will stick? For the rest of the season? Yes.
Starting point is 00:09:35 Okay. I don't know, but it took the Vikings a little bit. They were Mullins over their decision. Yeah. All right. It's a Josh Jacobs mispractice. So I think they used to have to ponder their quarterback, but not anymore.
Starting point is 00:09:47 Oh, nice. Nice. Did you get that from one of your cousins? Anyway, Josh Jacobs mispracticed, and we're probably not expecting him at this point. Tyree Kill is day-to-day. Miami Center Connor Williams is out for the season with a torn ACL. I think at one point they had four backup linemen in last week.
Starting point is 00:10:07 They are super beat up. They could get Teron Armstead back this week. Rob Hunt, another one of their injured linemen has less of a chance to play this week. So two, not a bad schedule to have coming up with, with four offensive linemen hurts. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:21 The jets, the Cowboys and the Ravens defensive lines. Yikes. They also have a starting safety to Seanets, the Cowboys, and the Ravens defensive lines. Yikes. They also have starting safety Deshaun Elliott in the concussion protocol for the Dolphins. Earn your money, Mike McDaniel. Yeah. Najee Harris mispractice.
Starting point is 00:10:35 TJ Watt is in the concussion protocol. Both those guys are on the same team, and they're playing the Colts on Saturday on the road. That's a good point to bring up. There's three games Saturday. There are, yeah. I know two of them. I think I know all of them. You got the Lions
Starting point is 00:10:51 and the Broncos, Colts, Steelers, and the other one is the Vikings game? Yep. Vikings-Bengals. Vikings-Bengals, yeah. And Dan Campbell says he wants to get Jamison Williams more involved. Does that matter at all for anyone? I thought you just didn't delete that from 18 months ago.
Starting point is 00:11:12 All right, let's go to our tough calls here. Tua at the Jets, you know, home against the Jets. And he's been better at home this year for sure. If Tyreek Hill doesn't play Heath, is this even a tough call? Or is he just a sit? If Tyreek Hill doesn't play Heath is this even a tough call or is he just a sit if Tyreek Hill doesn't play then he's a sit for me I'm I'm ranking it I don't know how Dave and Jamie are viewing this but I'm ranking it as if Tyreek is going to play but not quite be Tyreek which puts Tua just outside of my top 12 quarterbacks if we got a full practice in from Tyreek and everybody said he's fine then I I'd probably have to adjust inside of my top 12 quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:11:48 But it's, it's kind of a messy situation because they played this team a month ago or less than, and put up more than 30 points. The offense did great. Tyreek was great. Water was great. And Tua had nine fantasy points.
Starting point is 00:12:00 And the Jets have been fantastic against quarterbacks this season. The way I started my quarterback preview was the number 14 quarterback in points per game is facing the defense that allows the third fewest quarterback points to quarterbacks. It seems like an easy call. You sit that guy. Since he's become the full-time guy for the Dolphins and taking away the Brian Flores in and out scenario that he dealt with,
Starting point is 00:12:24 his last three games against the Jets, he's got five touchdowns, eye for the Dolphins and taking away the Brian Flores in and out scenario that he dealt with. His last three games against the Jets, he's got five touchdowns, six turnovers, one game over 250 passing yards. The high was 273. So he just doesn't do well against this team to begin with. So Robert Sala has his number. And so you're looking at a beat up offensive line, a defense that's playing great. They're all of a sudden rejuvenated, feeling like they may have a shot to make the playoffs, which seems ridiculous, but they're still mathematically alive in terms of Jets,
Starting point is 00:12:54 and the Dolphins are reeling a little bit right now, so I don't think it's a slam dunk that you're starting to. It sucks that he probably got you here. Last week's game notwithstanding, but for the most part, he's been one of the best fantasy quarterbacks this season. And now you may have to bench him. Now the question is, is like,
Starting point is 00:13:08 do you bench him for Jake Browning or Joe Flacco or any of these guys? Like I wouldn't do that, but if you have clearly Purdy or fields or any of these other guys that are staff or staff, right? Stafford staff. And I will say this, if Gino Smith plays,
Starting point is 00:13:23 I played, you know, Smith over him too. Any of those guys I think are in a in a better spot than Tua this week. And I'll go Browning over him if Tyreek's out. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Tyreek's out.
Starting point is 00:13:34 It's a different story. For what it's worth, Tyreek looked like Tyreek in the fourth quarter. I mean, you saw the game. You saw those big plays that he had. Well, not necessarily because he was on the sidelines. It's not something that you see. Like, their last drive, he wasn't on the field for the start of the drive. Like he's – I don't think he was able to cut as much as he would –
Starting point is 00:13:52 straight line speed was not an issue for him. It was the cut. That's fair. That was the thing. Straight line speed is good enough. Not that I'm making the case for Tua, but he was completely a decoy. All right. Okay.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Let's go on to Jared Goff. Jared Goff against Denver, who now is, what, eight games in a row? Nine games in a row? Nine games in a row. No quarterback has scored 20 points in nine straight games. That includes Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes twice, Josh Dobbs when he was red hot, CJ Stroud, and Justin Herbert. Yes, he left early.
Starting point is 00:14:26 Justin Herbert threw 17 passes for 96 yards and scored one fantasy point against the Broncos. I mean, how could I even make the case to start Jared Goff at this point? Yeah, no. Can't do it. And his offensive line's in bad shape as well. And this Broncos secondary's been playing great. The pass rush has been good.
Starting point is 00:14:43 I know Nick Bonito's down. We'll see what that does to them, but I still think they're going to be able to get after Goff. And this is a matchup tailor-made for the Lions' run game because the one thing that the Denver Broncos have not been able to fix all year is their run defense. So I can very easily see them say, you know what? Let's get back to basics.
Starting point is 00:15:00 We still have our starting tackles. One of our guards is playing pretty well. Let's lean on them. Let's lean on Gibbs and Montgomery. They started running the ball well a little too late in the game against Chicago. If they had turned to the run a little bit sooner, I think that they would have had a shot to compete in that game. I think that's what they're going to do against Denver. The only thing that makes it difficult is that Jared Goff, you see this 19 fantasy points per game. He has been a massively different quarterback indoors versus outdoors, like nine fantasy points per game different.
Starting point is 00:15:31 It has the few road games he's had that are in domes. He's even been okay. So, yeah, it's, I think golf's for me, golf's right there in the two a conversation right now. All right. What about my homes? Is my homes ahead of these guys? He's at new England. May golf's right there in the two-oh conversation right now. All right. What about Mahomes? Is Mahomes ahead of these guys?
Starting point is 00:15:46 He's at New England. He really hasn't had a big game in a while. Week 12, he scored about 25 points. That was pretty good at Las Vegas. New England is sixth best against quarterbacks. Here's kind of a weird angle. Mahomes is averaging the second most yak per completion. Yards after the catch per completion, well behind number one Brock Purdy.
Starting point is 00:16:08 The 49ers lead that category basically every year. But Mahomes is a very low ADOT guy with a lot of yards after catch. The Patriots give up the third fewest yards after catch per reception. So they're very good at eliminating that. And I went back, I kind of looked like, is there a correlation? Does he
Starting point is 00:16:26 do well against teams that struggle? And that kind of is, actually. His best games have, for the most part, come against teams that struggle in that area. But also, he's just not getting it done for fantasy purposes here. So is Patrick Mahomes a tough call for you this week? Less of a
Starting point is 00:16:42 tough call than Tua and Goff. I don't think Goff's that tough of a call. than to, uh, and golf. I don't think off is that tough of a call. I'm sitting them. Um, but my, for my first question is this, when it comes to my homes,
Starting point is 00:16:52 if the touchdown had counted last week, would we even be having this conversation? He would have had 22.6 points. He wouldn't have gotten that touchdown. Nope. Yeah, he would have. No,
Starting point is 00:17:03 it doesn't. He doesn't get credit for the touchdown. No, I talked to our people about it. They said he would have. No, it doesn't. He doesn't get credit for the touchdown? No. I talked to our people about it. They said he would have. Oh. No, it's a run by Tony. He gets the completion to Kelsey.
Starting point is 00:17:12 Right. And then the lateral goes to Tony, and Tony gets a rushing touchdown. Okay. So then if I'm mistaken, then he still would have been a bad game. If he had thrown the ball to Kelsey and Kelsey had run in for a touchdown, obviously. But the question is, even if he had scored 22.6, I think there would still be some trepidation about whether or not Mahomes has the sky-high upside. And this is a tough matchup. I know that
Starting point is 00:17:37 the Steelers made the Patriots' defense look amazing last week, but I still think the Patriots' defense is just good overall. I've got the FOMO with Mahomes. I'm going to rank him as a top 10 quarterback. Oh, he's still top 10, but I mean, look, Purdy's easy at this point. You're starting him over Mahomes. I'm starting Stafford over him this week. That's no question for me.
Starting point is 00:17:59 I would start Fields over him this week just with the upside of what Fields has brought and should continue to bring. even a tough matchup against the Browns who have given up some big games of quarterbacks the last two weeks. And then it comes down to if Christian Watson plays, I might go with Jordan Love over Mahomes. And I'm almost there with Trevor Lawrence as well. Oh, wow. They're all in that group.
Starting point is 00:18:20 I've got Mahomes, Fields, Lawrence, 7, 8, 9 in my rankings. And that was just the initial look why was 6 afraid of 7 Dave? why? 7, 8, 9 because 7 heard your humor you've never heard that joke? you've heard their numbers how could they be afraid of that?
Starting point is 00:18:40 Heath unless you have anything else to say about Mahomes we'll move on no I've got him 6 so it's probably in that same range. All right, six to eight for everyone here for Patrick Mahomes. Must not be a great quarterback week, I guess. Well, that's where he's seven for the year, so we're pretty much just ranking him where he's been for the year. He's eight per game.
Starting point is 00:19:03 Yes, because Joe Flacco has passed him with his two games oh is did I not include did I not eliminate Flacco all right then he might be seventh per game all right then let's take a break when we come back we'll talk about some running backs here including Austin Eckler actually you know maybe we'll skip Eckler since we're going to
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Starting point is 00:20:27 Okay, let's go to DeAndre Swift. This guy is really slumping. Single digit PPR fantasy points in four of his last five games and two straight games with four points. 3.9 at Dallas, four points against San Francisco. I mean, that is like hard to believe. Is he a tough call this week at Seattle on Monday night?
Starting point is 00:20:48 They have been a pretty easy matchup. Fifth most fantasy points allowed to running backs, but he's really in a rut. Jamie, is DeAndre Swift a tough call for you? Absolutely. You know, just based on how he's been playing, this offensive line has not been, you know, the same to what it was earlier this year and certainly what it was last year.
Starting point is 00:21:07 The biggest concern is, and I think we've kind of seen this a little bit, as they've started to fall behind in games, he just hasn't been as productive. Now, he did have the six targets against San Francisco in that loss, but it felt like he was just not involved to the same level. And certainly he wasn't catching the ball despite the six targets. So they said last week they have to get back to the run it really was a bad game to go that route because of how the expected game flow would go you know i think for most of us viewing it you know thought that dallas would be able to score on them and they did and then once they got behind why would they try and run um but this feels like a good bounce back spot you know i think this in philadelphia feel a lot more you know confident in it so like I have a Swift in one league and the
Starting point is 00:21:49 decision that I'm struggling with is Swift versus Zach Moss, who's obviously been struggling as well. And so matchup to me favors Swift, but you know, that Moss is getting his touches. So right now I have Moss ahead of Swift, but they're very, very close. Um, I w I would not be opposed to starting Swift. If you don't have a better option. Ty Chandler versus Swift is an easy conversation to have. You can see both sides of it. Jerome Ford versus DeAndre
Starting point is 00:22:14 Swift, that's another tough call. That's kind of where he is. Went from a slam dunk top 10 guy to now a borderline number two guy. Maybe closer just to a flex. I will say if if he can be good this week then he's going to go back to a slam buck dunk top 10 guy i think in the semi-finals in the championship his schedule gets a lot better after this week i believe it's the giants and the cardinals i think to your point he's about what
Starting point is 00:22:39 you said if he can be good this week he could be great this week because the matchup is so favorable so it's a hard guy to get away from knowing that Seattle has been as bad as they have. Does anybody think the Seahawks compete with Philly or maybe even lead Philly in the game? That's what I think it'll take for Swift to deliver another dud.
Starting point is 00:22:58 Not if Lockley is there. I would rather for Geno. If they had Geno, I'd feel more confident. I'll say this about Seattle. They give up a lot of reception. They give up a lot of passing game, you know, production to running backs. And I went back, I looked at Swift and those matchups against teams that struggle against pass-catching running backs,
Starting point is 00:23:17 and it has not made a single difference. It's not like he takes advantage of those matchups. If Jalen Hurts wants to throw it to him, he will. But most of the times, he just doesn't. I mean the problem is is just you know we've said this for the last couple of weeks he's not going to get goal line opportunities well i mean the whole season not going to get goal line opportunities because of the tush push he's not going to be heavily involved in the past game you just added adam you know it's not like it's a matchup thing or yeah a game script thing so there he could run for you know 100 yards and get you 10 points and
Starting point is 00:23:44 that's all you're looking at. He has three games this year with six or more targets. It was against the Niners, it was against the Rams, and against the Jets. These are teams with good defensive fronts that can rush the quarterback. Maybe they use him in those types of situations. This week is not one of those situations.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Right, but I mean, look at the Cowboys games. He didn't do it against the Cowboys, and they also have... Didn't have a single target against the Cowboys. All right, moving on to... He targets in two games against Dallas all year. Javante Williams at Detroit, and if you follow this podcast, you know what you're doing here. You know that Detroit, they've had a great run defense all year.
Starting point is 00:24:19 What makes this, to me anyway, a little bit difficult for Javante is that last week was the first week... This is obviously a very small sample size, first week without defensive tackle Lee McNeil, and they gave up 4.55 yards per carry to Deontay Foreman. They might, and they're slumping a little bit against the run, a little bit.
Starting point is 00:24:35 They might, that might be a big difference for them, not having their, arguably their best run stuff around the defensive line. And here's Javante Williams, who typically gets 17 or more carries. So Heath, is this a tough call for you? Javante at the Lions? He is a tough call. I do have him just ahead of Swift right now. I like the fact that he's caught three passes in each of his last three games. I like the fact that you're seeing somewhere in that 17 carry range most of the time. And I think maybe a bigger thing is just that that Denver pass defense has
Starting point is 00:25:04 been so good that they're playing competitive games. he's a low-end number two running back i think it's very possible that you could have two guys that you would rather start over him it's also very possible that you've got somebody like james connor or for me like deandre swift that you don't want to start okay he's pretty safe for 70 total yards as a floor I think that he'll be somewhere between 70 and 90 against the Lions I do buy into the Lions run defense being worse without
Starting point is 00:25:33 McNeil I believe in Javante being the lead running back for the Broncos but last week their running backs had 20% of the snaps and Javante works the goal line most of the time. The touchdown is the one thing that makes him a little bit hard to trust. Can he get that score?
Starting point is 00:25:52 Yeah. And he's only scored in three games this year. One rushing. I'm going to have him as a number two running back, but closer to a low end. I'd rather start Swift. All right. Next up is james
Starting point is 00:26:05 connor jamie he's got san francisco uh is he the worst lowest ranked running back that we've discussed so far swift uh giovante and now james connor uh yes he should be um you know just based on how matchups should go and look he was great in what I thought was a tough matchup against Pittsburgh, but clearly that's not the case. And he destroyed them with the two touchdowns and 100 yards rushing. So you know he's going to get the carries. The passing down work has always been a question for him this season. And he has been a little bit more involved catching the ball lately.
Starting point is 00:26:40 I want to see what the receiving core looks like for the Cardinals because going into the bye, Marquise Brown had a heel injury. Michael Wilson's still not playing with a shoulder injury. And so if he doesn't have those two guys, then I think Conner's role in the passing game will probably tick up a little bit. To what degree, we'll find out. But obviously San Francisco's defense has been amazing. Hopefully Greenlaw from their side plays to keep that defense rolling.
Starting point is 00:27:05 So I don't think Connor is a slam dunk. Um, I'd start Swift over him. I'd start Williams over him. I think both those guys have a higher ceiling. I've got him behind those guys. I have all three of them within like half of a point in my PPR projections. So I do think it's really close. Here's a fun, you'll especially enjoy this Adam.
Starting point is 00:27:21 Okay. James Connor averaged 4.2 yards per carry in that great game against the Steelers a couple weeks ago. That was his lowest yards per carry in a game this season. He's been good. He does not have a game below 4.2 yards per carry. That's actually really impressive.
Starting point is 00:27:38 Really impressive. Good for him. How much work is he going to get if the 49ers build a lead? Right. That's so concerning. It might not eveners build a lead right that's so concerning it might not even be 15 touches and that's what scares me off connor uh so also just saw that uh zach wilson and tommy devito are the afc and nfc players of the week uh from last week and uh someone said this is not the first the first person to say this. Adam looks like DeVito's agent without the hat and chain.
Starting point is 00:28:11 Do you think I look like that guy? Could you get the hat and chain? I could. Someone said that should be my Halloween costume. That was ridiculous. That would be fantastic. I guess I'll say this, even though it's kind of embarrassing. I did put in a couple claims in deeper leagues for Zach Wilson, just because it kind of looked like something clicked last week.
Starting point is 00:28:32 And if he looks like that again this week, he faces Washington next week. That's right. I'm probably not going to start him, but I don't necessarily want to face him if I'm playing somebody like Dave, who's been rotating through Tommy DeVito and Joe Flacco and Jake Browning in our YOLO League. I don't want to leave a guy like Zach Wilson out there just in case. Does Dave have an illegal lineup again? He does.
Starting point is 00:28:54 I've already addressed the issue. And John Bosch, I forgot, has a great solution for this. He gives a warning. And then if the warning is not heeded, there's a website called 100yarddash. And you can enter in people's names and have them gives a warning. And then if the warning is not heated, there's a website called 100 yard dash, and you can enter in people's names and have them run a race. And so he will just enter in all the players on your team into the 100 yard dash and whoever wins the race gets dropped. I like that. Why would you, why would you adjust my roster before it needs to be adjusted? Because you're, you're, you're breaking the rule continually.
Starting point is 00:29:27 You're hoarding players from other managers. I have one extra player on my team. Why does that matter? I want somebody before Thursday when my lineup goes legal. I mean, I'm a bit of a hypocrite here because I have Josh Palmer in a few leagues
Starting point is 00:29:42 and I know I have to drop him and I haven't dropped him yet. Is he on your IR? Yeah, he's on my IR. Yeah, I see. Dave's bad at this. Okay, wide receivers. He's mad because he's wrong.
Starting point is 00:29:58 Well, he's right in the sense that he doesn't have to do it until Thursday. The rules of our league state that I don't have to do it until game start. No, there's no way that states that. The commissioners told you repeatedly that you do have to do it until Thursday. The rules of our league state that I don't have to do it until game start. No, there's no way that states that. The commissioners told you repeatedly that you do have to do it before Thursday. Okay. Maybe you should do what you do to everybody else
Starting point is 00:30:13 who has a problem with fantasy cops and kick me out of the league. Yeah, easier said than done, kicking people out of the league. All right, wide receivers, just because we're running a little long here, I'm going to lump these wide receivers together. Jamar Chase against Minnesota, Adam Thielen against Atlanta,
Starting point is 00:30:32 Drake London in that same game at Carolina, and Amari Cooper against Chicago. These are actually tough matchups, really. I mean, maybe you could argue Atlanta, but Atlanta's kind of had a sneaky good defense this year but Jamar Chase Adam Thielen, Drake London and Amari Cooper Jamie do you feel like we have any non-tough
Starting point is 00:30:52 calls there? Any easy calls there? I'm not starting Thielen still at best the number three receiver it's very difficult to sit Jamar Chase even though he has two bad games and one good one with Jake Browning
Starting point is 00:31:07 I actually like Amari Cooper this week I just like the fact that he's getting as many targets as he has been from Joe Flacco so to me he's a safe number two wide receiver and then was there anybody else? yeah London oh London I would try and get away from he's just been much better at home than on the road
Starting point is 00:31:23 and the Panthers for whatever it's worth, they just don't give a lot of production in passing games. So starter in three or zero leagues, not a must-start guy in two or zero leagues. Chase is a really interesting one to me here. It's like I understand he's going to be a start for most people. You don't want to leave that potential on the bench. But they are running the ball a lot with Jake Browning.
Starting point is 00:31:42 He's barely throwing. Obviously he's got the super low A-dot. Throwing to the running back is a lot with Jake Browning. He's barely throwing. Obviously, he's got the super low A-dot. Throwing to the running back's a decent amount. And let's see, Minnesota in their last 10 games, only four receivers have more than 66 yards against them. They haven't faced the toughest competition, but I thought that was pretty impressive. Yeah, Chase is the one that I'm just starting and not thinking about.
Starting point is 00:32:06 For me, London, Thielen, and Cooper are all in that 25 to 30 range at wide receiver. But did Chase crack your top 12? No. He might be 13. Okay. Right. So, you know, I don't have any Chase teams, but I know my wife does,
Starting point is 00:32:27 and she'll be sitting him for Debo and, like, one other stud, I forget. So you could be in those situations. Obviously, like, we wouldn't expect Jamar Chase at this point in the season to be outside the top 12. He's not a slam dunk. All right. Okay, guys.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Dallas Goddard. I want to give your thoughts on Dallas Goddard. We have him as a slam dunk. All right. Okay, guys. Dallas Goddard. I want to give your thoughts on Dallas Goddard. We have him as a tough call at Seattle. Seattle, middle of the pack against tight ends. Been kind of bad lately. Goddard had, what, four targets last week. So, Dave, is Dallas Goddard a tough call for you? A little bit of a tough call.
Starting point is 00:33:02 He's a low-end start because I can't say that he's definitely going to be a big part of their game planning in Seattle. It would make so much sense just going back to Swift and thinking it through. They've talked about, Jamie mentioned this, they talked about running the ball more and being better with the run. Wouldn't that make Goddard more of a blocker than a route runner this week? And so it makes me nervous to trust him. He's outside of my top 10. He's at 11. He's ahead of Isaiah likely. That's when I could see myself switching because I just have no faith in the Jaguars past defense on Sunday night against Baltimore. This is a guy whose fantasy points per game, I wouldn't say it's misleading, but he's averaging almost right at 10 PPR fantasy points per game.
Starting point is 00:33:52 He has topped 10 twice all season long. Right, in 10 games. He's played 10 games. Eight of them, he's been single-digit fantasy points. Two games with more than 50 yards this year for Goddard. The question for me is, do I want to try to stream? Do I drop Goddard?
Starting point is 00:34:13 Do I roster? Likely he's the only one that you're streaming over him. Yeah. But how confident do you feel in that? Not at all. But I do it. What did you say, that? Not at all. But I do it. What did you say, Jamie? Not likely confident.
Starting point is 00:34:29 I would start likely, but I don't feel confident. No, that's why it's a tough call. Yeah, no, I think Dave said it. You know, matchup is certainly in his favor. I think the one thing with Goddard is how much of last week was, you know, the shake the rust off game after the long layoff. And just knowing that, you know, he, I mean, this was the problem all season long for him.
Starting point is 00:34:49 And we said it in the preseason that it's like the 49ers, you know, when you have a talented team like this, there's going to be a numbers crunch and somebody's going to get left out. And right now Goddard is, is getting left out a little bit, or at least last week was getting left out. So yeah, he's not a slam dunk by any stretch. You know, if you have,
Starting point is 00:35:06 if you've played Ferguson, you're playing Ferguson, commit, you're playing commit. I've seen the joke going Ingram. So there's, there's no, there's no real,
Starting point is 00:35:13 I think slam dunk situation for, for, for Goddard. But, you know, to say you'd be playing the replacements that you've had, you know, the Gerald Everett's,
Starting point is 00:35:21 the Tyler Conklin's, the Kate Ottens, he's better than those guys, or at least should be. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And he did play his normal snaps. You're playing 84% of the snaps last week.
Starting point is 00:35:32 So sometimes guys come back like, well, no, Olave is not a case of that. Olave was sick. Olave only played two thirds of the snap. Some guys, sometimes guys come back from injury. They don't play their full snapshot. That wasn't the case, but there still could have been some rust shaking off for sure. Okay. Los sure. Okay, Los Angeles. Dave, it's time for Thursday Night Football.
Starting point is 00:35:49 Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Los Angeles Chargers at the Las Vegas Raiders. Stat of the game. You know, I talked about this on Beyond the Box score on Monday. There are a number of wide receivers who are outside the top 20 in points per game who feel kind of like must-starts, like Chris Olave,
Starting point is 00:36:08 Devontae Adams is one of them. That's where I'm going with this. And a lot of them have the same thing in common. Amari Cooper is one. They just don't catch touchdowns. And Devontae Adams caught three touchdowns in his first three games. He has one touchdown catch since then. And Aiden O'Connell has three touchdown passes in his last five starts
Starting point is 00:36:27 since taking over Jimmy Garoppolo. So we've been talking about tough calls. Adams, it feels like, is a little limited by the fact that he pretty much never catches touchdowns. Heath, is Devontae Adams a tough call for you in this game against the Chargers? If we're calling a top 15 wide receiver a tough call, then I think he is. He's right around 15 to 18 for me in the rankings,
Starting point is 00:36:50 which seems awfully high for a tough call, but I don't feel great about it. I think he's probably going to score somewhere in that 12 to 13 range, and you hope he scores a touchdown. Would you guys start the surging Rasheed Rice or Devontante Adams? Rice.
Starting point is 00:37:08 Still Adams for me. I believe I have Rice higher. Would you start Jamar Chase or Devante Adams? Chase. Chase. Okay. I'd also start
Starting point is 00:37:22 Keenan Allen over Devante Adams. That's my next question. Yeah, I would too. Do you guys think that they have big games? How likely is it that they have big games, Allen and Adams? I mean, you just made the case why Adams might not have a big game, and Keenan Allen's got Easton Stick now as his quarterback. So, look, they're not playing the best defenses in the world.
Starting point is 00:37:47 So that's the hope is that, you know, certainly from Adam's perspective, we've seen a lot of big plays against the chargers. So hopefully that's where he comes to play. Like, again, I think it's similar to what we were talking about with some of these other receivers. You have to have a very stacked lineup to bench and Devonta Adams, to bench a Keenan Allen, just because of what they are still capable of doing.
Starting point is 00:38:03 And as he kind of said, you know, the, the floor has been there for Adams even with the bad quarterback you know 12 to 14 points is kind of where he's been the last three weeks so why would that necessarily change facing this defense so I don't love him uh as you see I'm the if you're watching our stream I'm the lowest on Devonta Adams but he's still a number two wide receiver. So Rice, I would start over him. You know, the touchdown dependent, Cortland Sutton, I start over him. Both Rams guys, I start over him. Amari Cooper, I start over him. DeAndre Hopkins, I start over him.
Starting point is 00:38:34 I don't know how far you want to go, but that's kind of where it is for me. So who's the best flex option in this game? It's such a shame. You know, you think about this game with Eckler, Jacobs, Adams, Keenan Allen, in theory Herbert. What could have been, this could have been a great fantasy game to kick off the fantasy playoffs.
Starting point is 00:38:53 It doesn't look like that. Dave, is there anyone in this game that you love? The DSTs? The sleepers? Probably not. You don't even love them. They're just sleepers. I don't even love them.
Starting point is 00:39:03 Look, I think you can trust Austin Eckler. I like the matchup for Eckler. I like how he looked last week. I think he's playing a little bit better, and I think Easton Stick will be good for Austin Eckler. And I think Easton Stick proved by the end of last week's game that he's not the worst passer in the world and that he can be solid for them.
Starting point is 00:39:22 So Keenan Allen's downgraded, but he's still going to get a lot of targets. He's still going to be Keenan Allen. So those two are the guys I like the most. Devonta Adams for me is no better than a low end receiver too. And that's really about it. The only guys I would say are like sleepers are the DSTs. Okay.
Starting point is 00:39:40 I'd go Allen Adams. Eckler is my top three. Okay. So that implies to me that you're a little low Adams Eckler is my top three. Okay. So that implies to me that you're a little low on Eckler. Yeah. I think I was the one who submitted him as the tough call and I might be the only one who thinks that he's a tough call. And I do think it's a good matchup in terms of dump off passes.
Starting point is 00:39:59 Cause that's what the Raiders give up, but it's just hard as I know he had a hundred yardyard game, exactly 100 yards, I believe, last week. And so maybe he's back. But as bad as he's been for most of the last four or five weeks, and this Raiders team did just face a backup quarterback and play a 3-0 game for the entire game, then they've been better defensively since the coaching change. So I think the implied total right now for the game than they've been better defensively since the coaching change so i i think this like i think the implied total right now for the chargers is 15 and a half so i don't love eckler's touchdown
Starting point is 00:40:31 chances and he is still going to split like the the the lower percentage of the touches thing happened he just caught a few more passes yeah fair uh you guys are all starting zeke over eckler yes uh no uh dave and jamie have them back to back with eckler one spot ahead heath has zeke fourth maybe we should talk about him today um all right how about e Eckler or Cooper Cup? I like Cup a lot. Cup. Eckler or Travis Etienne against the Ravens? Eckler. Eckler and Peter.
Starting point is 00:41:17 All right, so Dave and Jamie have Eckler around 12th. Heath has him a little bit lower, like 16th. And then we talked about Keenan Allen and Devontae Adams. I don't know that there's anything else in this game. How about a tight end? Gerald Everett, he's been all right lately. Not with Stick and with Palmer back. Rather, I've got her.
Starting point is 00:41:35 All right. Let's talk about the Raiders running back. Sorry. If Josh Jacobs somehow plays, how much would you like him? And then if not, any interest in Abdullah or White? Jacobs might be my favorite play in the game if he comes back. plays, how much would you like him? And then if not any interest in Abdullah or white, Jacobs might be my favorite play in the game if he comes back, but he's got to get in some practice and all that stuff first. Uh, I would like him quite a bit. Uh, if he doesn't play, I would imagine it's a mirror white on rushing downs, Abdullah on passing downs, and don't
Starting point is 00:42:01 really love either one of those guys. Abdullah would be the desperation play, especially in PPR. All right. Yeah. Try to avoid them. I'm not going to drag this out anymore. That's it for Thursday night football, Dave.
Starting point is 00:42:16 No, no, no, no, no, no. Let's take a break. When we come back,
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Starting point is 00:43:16 Yes, thank you. No John in there or Hans. Oh, get out of town. 12-team league. I snuck into the playoffs as the sixth seed. Our waivers go by inverse order of standings. Since I'm in the last playoff spot, I should have the first
Starting point is 00:43:30 waiver claim. I put in a claim for Zeke, but I wake up in the morning to find out that the team that's in seventh place and out of the playoffs put in a waiver claim and blocked me from getting Zeke. I ended up with Ty Chandler. There is no written rule, but anybody who plays fantasy should know that this is a violation.
Starting point is 00:43:45 Though not a large payout, there is still prize money involved. What do I do? So the team out of the playoffs made a waiver claim? Yep. Get him, Heath. You just reverse the waivers
Starting point is 00:44:00 and you get Zeke. Good job, Heath. You should. Although he did say there's no... I assume this has been... Our league has been going for a while and he said there's no rule against teams adding. Is there a toilet bowl?
Starting point is 00:44:14 It doesn't seem like it. But also, what do you do with Ty Chandler? He got Ty Chandler. He may not have gotten him. You can just hold him until Sunday at 8 p.m. No, but seriously, I just ran
Starting point is 00:44:31 into this problem in the podcast league. You guys probably didn't notice. The four of us, we all missed the freaking playoffs in the podcast league. That's bad. I had a terrible year. Yeah, so what was I going to say? Somebody in eighth place put in a bid, which pissed me off. Why'd you do that?
Starting point is 00:44:48 I just sent a note out. I said, if you're out of the playoffs, don't put it. That's an easy one. It's when, when it's been communicated or when it's clearly a rule, it's very, very easy. Yeah. I'm going to put, it was Parker Washington. I'm going to put him back on waivers. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:01 You know, up for bid. Um, thankfully he's not playing on Thursday. But this is a little bit more difficult because I don't know what to do with Ty Chandler. I mean, there's no... Ezekiel Elliott should go to this guy. What you have to do, I think, is provide a screenshot that shows your waiver claim for Zeke.
Starting point is 00:45:15 And if, you know, because it didn't get accepted, hopefully you have a screenshot of it. If you can do that, then you get him. Yeah. It should have been communicated before. It's really, really messy if this guy's the commissioner and they've never had this issue before
Starting point is 00:45:29 and now he's going to make this change for himself. Is the move to show that you should get Zeke because you put in a claim form or should it be the commissioner just takes Zeke off the team and Zeke goes back up to claim and you reset the waiver order? So you just basically have to make the claim again. Yeah, right. Either way, you should have Zeke, no questions asked.
Starting point is 00:45:54 I just think that the Ty Chandler thing is a conundrum at this point. He wants both? No, he wanted Zeke, but he got Chandler. So what if the team that was behind him in the waiver... He just put everybody back. I put them all back? Yeah, maybe that's what you... Yeah, there you go. That's easy.
Starting point is 00:46:10 All right. Good job. We could have said that five minutes ago. I would have saved a lot of time. We did? I did. Oh, I didn't hear you. Sorry. All right, from Richie. Hey, Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
Starting point is 00:46:25 I'll Google it. 12-team Superflex Dynasty League. Me and another guy were both on the edge of making the playoffs. 101 in the rookie draft is given to the winner of the consolation bracket. We decided to tank and remove players from our lineup to get into the consolation bracket to compete for 101. There are no rules in our bylaws that prevent tanking or starting and an illegal or empty lineup.
Starting point is 00:46:49 We were successful and both have a buy in the consolation bracket. Some other owners were not happy and called our tactics, quote, Bush League, and that we should, quote, take a real loss like a man, end quote. LOL. Where do you guys stand on this strategy? You should update your bylaws.
Starting point is 00:47:12 Nothing wrong with taking a dynasty, but you should have rules that reflect it. Now that's spoken like the perfect dynasty league commissioner. Okay. I googled Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath, and the only thing that came up is our show. I thought maybe there'd be something.
Starting point is 00:47:30 No, I just sent you a link of something that came up. What is it? Click it. It's on YouTube. What? This is going to be. Is Dave sending porn again? No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:47:43 It's on YouTube. It's totally safe for work. Weird. This isn't like last time no, no. It's on YouTube. It's totally safe to work. Weird. This isn't like last time. All right. This is from Mark. Dear Carson, Boomer, and Joe. Oh, sorry. Carson, Boomer, and Joe.
Starting point is 00:47:55 Yeah, that's the Sports Talk radio. I'm in a 10-team league where four teams make the playoffs. The top three seeds are locked. The fourth seed is up for grabs. The current fourth seed is in a close matchup with someone who is not making the playoffs and is playing Aaron Jones who did not play Monday night.
Starting point is 00:48:14 By the way, I believe this was written on Monday. Right before the game, the commissioner, who's the current number one seed, texted him and told him to take Aaron Jones out. Remember, this is the current four seed because he's not playing. And he did
Starting point is 00:48:30 this and he picked up and started Tajay Spears. He only did this when a few members of the league who have playoff implications reached out to him about this. The question is, should the commissioner have texted and told the manager to adjust his lineup and take out Aaron Jones? Even though there have been multiple instances this year
Starting point is 00:48:45 when people didn't start someone and the commissioner did not step in, the team that is striving for the last place spot is arguing that since he did not reach out to people during the year, multiple times when people did not start anyone, the commissioner had no right to reach out to someone at this time of year.
Starting point is 00:49:03 I would agree with that. It's like Kadarius Toney's offside. It's like, when's like a Cadareous Tony's off sides. Like when do you call it? When do you decide to call it? Um, I don't have a problem with it. You don't have a problem with the commissioner telling this guy to take Jones out of the lineup.
Starting point is 00:49:18 No, I do. You, you literally change people's lineups for them. So that's a little different. That's a tanking thing where they have an illegal lineup based on our tanking rules. In this particular case, I don't want to influence who's getting into the playoffs by being selective about when I'm telling teams to put active players in. You either have to do it all the time or you do it never.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Because he's right. If you play that team and, you know. It's just a commissioner thing? Like what if the two seed had sent the person a text? This is where I was going. Or the three seed. The people who are fighting for it. I think it's.
Starting point is 00:49:58 I've definitely texted people and said, hey, I know this doesn't matter to you, but could you please set a lineup this week? We had a situation in my keeper league where my brother-in-law kept Taysom Hill in at tight end and David Njoku was on his bench and my brother-in-law is out of it. He has no chance of making the playoffs and it affected his game. He would have won if he had started Njoku. And the guy that he played is in the playoffs. And the guy who was in a different matchup is out because of my brother-in-law's move.
Starting point is 00:50:27 And the commissioner didn't reach out to him, which I agree with. I don't think the commissioner should be a babysitter. I think the commissioner should be a commissioner. Yeah. But if there was somebody else in the league that was like, Hey, man, I noticed that you've got Taysom on your line. He's not going to play. Would you mind making a switch?
Starting point is 00:50:44 It'll help us both. I'm okay with that. That's part of the game. Yeah, I feel like you can't police that, first of all. Of course not. But if the commissioner is going to be a babysitter and then go on and like – heaven forbid the commissioner changes lineups for people.
Starting point is 00:51:00 No, that shouldn't happen. That's even worse. But the commissioner shouldn't be a babysitter. The commissioner should set the rules. When the rules are broken, he steps in. When there's another problem, he solves it fairly, and that's that. That's not a commentary on what we talked about earlier. No, and also it shouldn't be commentary on me and the Dynasty League
Starting point is 00:51:17 because basically it's all Schneier's fault. Schneier screws up every lineup. Pass the buck, Adam. All right. Thank you for the Fantasy Cop submissions. Let's talk a little Dynasty here and not about the Bakeburger Dynasty League. Dynasty quarterback.
Starting point is 00:51:32 Actually, I swear, Heath, this is a legitimate topic. I don't want this to come off as a dig or a troll. No, I am going to take it completely and entirely only as a dig and a troll. Okay, fine. You drafted this juggernaut team in the Bakeburger Dynasty League. We thought there's no even point in competing this year.
Starting point is 00:51:53 He's got Cooper Cup and Travis Kelsey and Joe Mixon and Aaron Jones, and he drafted Justin Fields with his first pick of a Superflex League. Everything went wrong for you. Right. And you didn't tank so you have what i think the fourth pick in the draft i have the fourth pick yeah what did this teach you if anything about a win now strategy with older players it's it didn't teach me anything it's inherently risky um you just have to recognize that risk And especially if you don't enjoy the rebuild as much as I do,
Starting point is 00:52:25 you shouldn't do it. Cause I'm, I am very, very content in dynasty to either be contending for the one seed or contending for the one pick. There are a lot of people who would much rather just try to fight for that six seat. And it has its merit because we see six seeds win championships every year across our
Starting point is 00:52:46 leagues it's just a philosophical thing some people hate the idea of going through a two-year tank um i really enjoy it so i'm okay with it but it's just philosophically you've got to make sure you're okay with the downside of it and i've got the fourth pick i picked up some young guys i'm not missing any picks from next year i still feel okay all right you should it's a good situation and no one wants to be in the middle like if you ask anybody some people are okay with it but i don't know if anybody really likes floating between you know being the sixth seed or just missing the playoffs for like three years in a row in a dynasty league yeah i read it depends on what your situation is like if you're ending up finishing four through six because you know you've had two key injuries or one key injury or something that's you know caused your team to not succeed but the roster you built going into it
Starting point is 00:53:36 was was championship caliber you just oh i should have made this trade or i should have you know missed this free agent pickup or whatever the case may be. But if that continues to happen, then you have to make some self-evaluation. But I think in case of if you're competing to just make the playoffs and you know that's been your issue for the last several years, then yes, it's time to blow it up. I have tried very hard in multiple leagues to try to get people to see the things the way you are talking about them,
Starting point is 00:54:08 Dave. And people who are obviously not contenders in my mind, but maybe could find the sixth seed, trying to get them to sell parts for picks and having no luck. Or people who are in the five or six yet trying to get them to take veterans for picks.
Starting point is 00:54:24 Some people just go about that. They're not that interested in going either direction there, but that's the beauty of dynasty. You know, everybody's got their own opinion on their team. And you know, every year you've got to go back and look at your dining rock dynasty rosters and say,
Starting point is 00:54:37 okay, can I contend next year? And if you look at the roster and you're not even sure that then you can't, that's a no, you have to be really sure that you can contend in order to move forward like a contender all right it's that self-evaluation that jamie talked about let's talk about dynasty quarterback uh risers and fallers here and heath who are some of the recent risers uh two guys i've got rising justin fields and brock purdy
Starting point is 00:55:01 and i think for fields and chris and I talked about this on the Dynasty show yesterday with both these guys, but Fields in particular, I just don't believe, even if the Bears draft a quarterback, as bad as the quarterback play has been in the NFL this season, that Justin Fields is not going to be a starter somewhere. And he's reminded us over the last month that when he's a starter and he has a coaching staff that's not trying to make him a pocket passer, he's a top five or six fantasy starter. So he was in that. I'm not.
Starting point is 00:55:29 Could things go really bad a month ago? And the boat's been steadied a little bit. He could even end up in a better situation next year. Atlanta. Please get to Atlanta. With new coaching staff. They're going to release a statement saying they're not interested in Justin Fields. Remember they did that with Lamar Jackson?
Starting point is 00:55:46 What kind of feedback did you get when you asked on Twitter, make the case for Lawrence over Purdy in Dynasty? Mostly Lawrence backers who were really mad at me for asking the question. And who do you have ahead, Purdy or Lawrence? I have Purdy currently ahead of Lawrence. I understand that I got a lot of responses about he's tall and his hair. And then a lot of responses
Starting point is 00:56:13 that Purdy's not going to have four great weapons forever. But I think with Lawrence, it's just you really have to believe in the profile and just ignore the fantasy production. The first basically three years of his career,
Starting point is 00:56:28 because so far he's been basically a replacement level fantasy quarterback the last two years. Okay. Uh, let's get a one quarterback league. Yeah. Let's go to our, uh,
Starting point is 00:56:38 dynasty quarterback fallers. Uh, Trevor Lawrence, I think, Oh, well, these aren't as interesting. although i've got to uh i don't know what to do with him he's bounced from 7 to 12 and he's currently 12 right now but i think
Starting point is 00:56:54 in relation to fields i really it shocked me to see that he's just averaging 20 fantasy points per game this season and he's not a top 12 quarterback right now. And when is the situation ever going to be better than it is right now for Tua Tungabailoa? What did he average last year? Had to be more than 20. Well, he kept leaving games early and stuff, but... You could either stat it to a big number, but... I mean, I feel like he was awesome last year
Starting point is 00:57:21 when he was healthy, but he never rushes. He never scores a rushing touchdown. So it's weird, and I think people are wondering, is Tua good? People don't really know. I feel like people don't really know how to feel about Tua as a quarterback. He could be just a product of the system and the talent around him. I mean, he's obviously good. There's no question about that.
Starting point is 00:57:42 He's definitely benefited from it. Put him on the Giants. How good do you think he is? Not as good as he is with the Giants. I think he's definitely benefited from it. Put him on the Giants. How good do you think he is? Not as good as he is with the Giants. I think he's crap. I think he's crap on the Giants. Oh, well, I mean, look. What's Brock Purdy on the Giants? What's Trevor Lawrence on the Giants?
Starting point is 00:57:55 I mean, you know, a lot of players don't have great... A lot of quarterbacks that don't have great players around them are not very good. I'm trying to think. What would Mahomes' career have been like if he got drafted to the Bears? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:10 It's a good call. He wouldn't be a two-time Super Bowl champ. So, look, there's obviously a benefit to great coaching and great talent around you. And Tua's a byproduct of that. I mean, we've said this about a lot of players when they've gotten these receivers, you know, Jalen hurts popped when he got AJ Brown,
Starting point is 00:58:29 Josh Allen popped when he got Stefan digs. I mean, you know, that's the nature of what these situations are, but yes, two is good. I think two is good. Yes.
Starting point is 00:58:40 Yeah. This, this is, this is as good a situation as any quarterback can have, but he's not... He's taking advantage of it, but he's not necessarily dominated in it. Would you guys rather have Purdy or Tua? I think Purdy's going to be in San Francisco
Starting point is 00:58:56 for a long time. I don't think Tua's leaving Miami. The problem is like, yes, Tua's got better talent around... Excuse me. Purdy's got better talent around him the problem is that when they eventually have to pay purdy mccaffrey's gonna be at that point in his career where it's probably starting to hit the downslide downside are they gonna pay iuk this year yeah but they can pay you right now because purdy's on such a you know cheap deal
Starting point is 00:59:22 so they can keep this intact. Yeah. This is a tough one. I think I'd rather have... I think a nice tiebreaker is with the schedule's rest of season, you'd definitely rather have Purdy rest of season, right? Oh, hell yeah. And you'd probably rather have Purdy next year. But for Dynasty, I think it's an interesting dilemma.
Starting point is 00:59:43 I would lean Purdy. Yeah. All right. Let's read some of your emails. Some questions about lineup decisions for Fantasy Week 15. From Donovan in a town west of Culver City, California. It's hard to get west of Culver City, California. Let's go with Waikiki, Hawaii.
Starting point is 01:00:03 There you go. Dear Pauly, Jimmy, Henry, and Tommy. Oh, I don't know. Goodfellas? Oh, yeah. I think so. Choose two PPR flex and tight end. First of all, tight end.
Starting point is 01:00:19 Likely or Ferguson? Ferg. Ferguson. Ferguson. And then Odell, Hollywood Brown, Ty Chandler. I suppose you could put Likely in there as well. Odell, Likely, Hollywood Brown, and Ty Chandler pick two. Chandler and Odell.
Starting point is 01:00:40 Yeah, and if... I mean, I guess Madison could still play, right? Yep. I have likely in full PPR with O'Neal. I think if Madison plays, I'd probably just go likely. Yeah, I mean, then you're tying yourself to two Ravens, which is not bad, as we saw last week, but could be. Yeah, maybe I should diversify.
Starting point is 01:01:02 No, I would start both Ravens. I would start both Ravens if Madison plays. Madison's out. Oh, yeah, right. His Jacksonville defense has been a disaster. Yeah, it has. All right, from Aaron. Aaron?
Starting point is 01:01:13 Aaron? No, no, no. It's only Eric. I need to start three of these five wide receivers. Amonra St. Brown, Jamar Chase, DJ Moore, Chris Olave, Rushie Rice. Pick three. Amonra St. Brown, Moore, and Olave. That's how I have it ranked.
Starting point is 01:01:36 I would go Amonra St. Brown, Moore, and Chase. Any hesitation with Moore against the Browns? No. Not really. This is from Mike in St. Louis. Any hesitation with Moore against the Browns? No. Not really. This is from Mike in St. Louis. 10-team PPR. I need two running backs and a flex.
Starting point is 01:01:54 Kamara, Brees Hall, A-Chan, James Conner, Aaron Jones, Ezekiel Elliott. Pick two of them. The first two running backs.
Starting point is 01:02:07 Kameron Hall? Kameron Zeke. All right. And then for your flex, you've got A. Chan, Connor, Aaron Jones, either Zeke or Hall, or Chris Olave against the Giants. Hall. Elliott. Yeah, Elliott. So we chose the same three running backs either way okay can you help me out with a tough one from matthew here
Starting point is 01:02:31 keaton mitchell antonio gibson ty chandler or jerry judy ppr gibson if there's no robinson yeah i thought you like liked Chandler better. Yeah, but if Robinson plays, then you like Chandler. If everybody's out, I'll take Chandler over Gibson. Okay. And then you can make your decision based on the availability of Madison. If Madison plays, you go to Gibson. If Robinson plays, it's easy. You go to Chandler.
Starting point is 01:03:00 But if Madison... Okay, and then let me ask you this. If Madison and Robinson both play. Mitchell. Keaton Mitchell. It's PPR? Yeah. I'll go Gibson.
Starting point is 01:03:12 All right. Washington against the Rams this week. All right, that's it for today's show. Thanks, everybody. We'll talk to you tomorrow with Starter Sit for the AFC Hope Games. Have a good one.

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