Fantasy Football Today - Week 15 Tough Calls, Fantasy Cops, Dynasty Talk (12/13 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: December 13, 2023Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and wherever else you listen to podcasts How about some random trivia to start the sh...ow? Find out which division has three of the top six TEs and more! Then we've got news and notes (6:45) and we begin our Week 15 Tough Calls with the quarterbacks (9:45). How much do we trust Tua Tagovailoa, Jared Goff and Patrick Mahomes? At running back (19:05), D'Andre Swift and Javonte Williams are among the tough calls we'll have to make ... Tough calls at wide receiver (28:50) include Ja'Marr Chase, Amari Cooper and Adam Thielen. And then we'll discuss Dallas Goedert (31:15) before previewing Chargers-Raiders (34:30). Is there a single player in this game that is a great start? ... The Fantasy Cops are back (42:00) and we're settling your league disputes! We also talk dynasty (50:30) ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
Well, we've got some tough calls this week, don't we?
Are we starting Tua against the Jets?
Are we starting Patrick Mahomes against the Patriots?
Are we starting James
Connor against the 49ers? We'll talk about
some of these Week 15 tough calls,
and we'll look ahead to the
Thursday night game.
Preview that. We've got the
Fantasy Cops coming on today. That'll be fun.
Everybody's got these... A lot of people have the
same issue. It's
inactive commissioner or
inactive managers and lineups
that are screwing up who gets in the playoffs
and things like that, so we'll try to sort out that mess.
Good morning, Dave,
Jamie, and Heath. Who's feeling great today?
Yeah.
Wow, looks like you guys are
owning it. Yeah.
I've got a trivia segment for you guys.
I'm excited about it.
We can start with it.
You want to start with the trivia?
Yeah, yeah, that'll get us fired up.
Let's go trivia.
Random trivia.
I have one random trivia question about each position.
Josh Allen is QB one per game.
He's averaging 27 points per game in six point per passing touchdown leagues. When was the last time the number one quarterback averaged fewer than 27
points per game?
Whoever's closest wins.
Does that give you the year or the player?
Either one.
Matt Ryan.
No,
it's a great call.
Yeah,
that's a good call. No. Okay's a great call. Yeah, that's a good call.
No?
Okay.
I'll say...
How about the year?
Try the year.
When was the last time the number one quarterback
was worse than this on a per-game basis?
What's the number again?
27 points.
27?
2019.
Heath, give me a year.
2018.
Dave?
I feel like you're tricking us, and it's last year.
It's 2014.
It was Andrew Luck.
I was thinking pre-COVID when they did all the holding calls and changed the rules.
Yeah, I was thinking like pre-COVID when they did all the holding calls and changed the rules. Yeah, I was surprised.
I mean, it's really been, in some ways, a down year for quarterbacks.
In some ways, a pretty good year for quarterbacks.
You know, like good emerging quarterbacks.
It's a terrible year for quarterbacks.
It's a good year.
It was not a bad year to stream quarterbacks. It was a great year for waiting on quarterback and not drafting one early.
I was looking at it last night.
Tua is like QB 13 or 14 per game now, and he's still averaging more than 20 points per game.
Right.
We got plenty of depth at the position.
It's been really bad for the guys we drafted early.
Last year was a bad streaming year.
All right.
Here's a running back random trivia question. Four of the top five running backs
in PPR points per game
were drafted outside the top
60, according to Fantasy
Pro's consensus PPR
ADP. Name them.
Four of the top five running backs in PPR
points per game were drafted outside the top
60.
Mostert,
Achan, Kyron Williams.
Uh-huh.
Points per game.
Rashad White?
Oh.
Good guess, but no.
Oh, was Kamara not in there?
He was like 61.
Unbelievable.
And I tried to go back and find.
I didn't go back that far,
but I feel like this might be the first time
that two running backs on the same team
could finish top five in PPR points per game.
The one that came to mind was Ingram and Kamara,
but they were top seven.
Amazing.
HN and Mostert are top five per game.
Easier when one of them misses a lot of time, right?
All right.
If you talk to, I was talking to some Dolphins fans yesterday and they would tell you or top five per game. Easier when one of them misses a lot of time, right? All right.
I was talking to some Dolphins fans yesterday,
and they would tell you that's probably not going to happen because they're never going to score points or win games again.
Despondent Dolphins fans.
It's funny to be more excited about the Giants than the Dolphins.
Hey, got a better quarterback.
What can you say?
Who has the second most? Yeah, I got a better quarterback. What can you say? Who has the second most...
Yeah, I love the celebration.
Who has the second most targets among wide receivers,
but is 13th in yards and 27th in touchdowns?
Second most targets among wide receivers for the season?
Yeah, 13th in yards, 27th in touchdowns.
Is it Keenan Allen?
It's not Keenan Allen. It's not Keenan Allen.
No.
Michael Pittman.
It is Michael Pittman.
Yes, Michael Pittman.
Crazy year for him.
A ton of targets.
All right, and then this one.
Which division...
Future chief?
Anybody.
Anybody.
I'll take anybody.
Which division has three of the top six tight ends in PPR?
NFC West.
Incorrect.
No, they only have two.
Sorry, delayed.
Incorrect.
NFC North?
NFC North.
Schaefer knew it.
Who are they?
Hawkinson, Laporta, Komet.
Yeah, Komet.
Tight end six.
And I think he's tight end seven per game.
Well, there's your random trivia.
All right.
Welcome to the show, everybody.
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So that was basically the fantasy feud segment that you decided you didn't want to have as a game show.
Yeah.
So you called it random trivia.
Got it.
Yeah.
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News and notes.
Justin Herbert is out for the season.
They've got the Raiders, the Bills, the Broncos, and the Chiefs.
Nick Mullins is going to start for the Vikings.
Keenan Allen has not been practicing this week.
I feel like he's going to play. You guys feel like he's going to week. I feel like he's going to play.
You guys feel like he's going to play?
We feel like he's going to play.
I hope he does.
And Josh Palmer is back.
So let's combine news item number one with news item number three.
A good producer,
talking about myself here,
would have put those back-to-back in the notes.
Are you sure you're talking about yourself and not JVT?
Yeah, I have to do the notes here.
Sure, okay.
I'm not trying to throw anyone under the bus, throwing myself under the bus.
Yeah, do you guys consider Keenan Allen a must-start player going forward,
or are we going to wait and see what happens this week?
He's definitely a must-start guy in three receiver leagues.
There's no doubt about it.
I think in two receiver leagues, for the most part, you're starting him
just with the hope that Easton Stick continues to
target him the way that Justin Herbert had targeted him. It's more of an
offensive thing, and just the quality of targets will be a little bit worse.
But look, it's the Raiders. You know they allow a lot of underneath throws.
It's very difficult to have a lot better options than Keenan Allen.
I'd view him as a must start this week.
And that's subject to change depending on how this week goes.
Heath,
do you think Easton will stick?
For the rest of the season?
Yes.
Okay.
I don't know,
but it took the Vikings a little bit.
They were Mullins over their decision.
Yeah.
All right.
It's a Josh Jacobs mispractice.
So I think they used to have to ponder their quarterback, but not anymore.
Oh, nice.
Nice.
Did you get that from one of your cousins?
Anyway, Josh Jacobs mispracticed,
and we're probably not expecting him at this point.
Tyree Kill is day-to-day.
Miami Center Connor Williams is out for the season with a torn ACL.
I think at one point they had four backup linemen in last week.
They are super beat up.
They could get Teron Armstead back this week.
Rob Hunt,
another one of their injured linemen has less of a chance to play this week.
So two,
not a bad schedule to have coming up with,
with four offensive linemen hurts.
Yeah.
The jets,
the Cowboys and the Ravens defensive lines.
Yikes. They also have a starting safety to Seanets, the Cowboys, and the Ravens defensive lines. Yikes.
They also have starting safety Deshaun Elliott
in the concussion protocol for the Dolphins.
Earn your money, Mike McDaniel.
Yeah.
Najee Harris mispractice.
TJ Watt is in the concussion protocol.
Both those guys are on the same team,
and they're playing the Colts on Saturday on the road.
That's a good point to bring up.
There's three games Saturday.
There are, yeah.
I know two of them.
I think I know all of them. You got the Lions
and the Broncos, Colts, Steelers,
and the other one is the Vikings game?
Yep. Vikings-Bengals.
Vikings-Bengals, yeah. And Dan Campbell
says he wants to get Jamison Williams more involved.
Does that
matter at all for anyone?
I thought you just didn't delete that from 18 months ago.
All right, let's go to our tough calls here.
Tua at the Jets, you know, home against the Jets.
And he's been better at home this year for sure.
If Tyreek Hill doesn't play Heath, is this even a tough call? Or is he just a sit? If Tyreek Hill doesn't play Heath is this even a tough call
or is he just a sit if Tyreek Hill doesn't play then he's a sit for me I'm I'm ranking it I don't
know how Dave and Jamie are viewing this but I'm ranking it as if Tyreek is going to play but not
quite be Tyreek which puts Tua just outside of my top 12 quarterbacks if we got a full practice in
from Tyreek and everybody said he's fine then I I'd probably have to adjust inside of my top 12 quarterbacks.
But it's,
it's kind of a messy situation because they played this team a month ago or
less than,
and put up more than 30 points.
The offense did great.
Tyreek was great.
Water was great.
And Tua had nine fantasy points.
And the Jets have been fantastic against quarterbacks this season.
The way I started my quarterback preview was the number 14 quarterback
in points per game is facing the defense that allows the third fewest
quarterback points to quarterbacks.
It seems like an easy call.
You sit that guy.
Since he's become the full-time guy for the Dolphins
and taking away the Brian Flores in and out scenario that he dealt with,
his last three games against the Jets, he's got five touchdowns, eye for the Dolphins and taking away the Brian Flores in and out scenario that he dealt with.
His last three games against the Jets, he's got five touchdowns, six turnovers,
one game over 250 passing yards. The high was 273. So he just doesn't do well against this team to begin with. So Robert Sala has his number. And so you're looking at a beat up
offensive line, a defense that's playing great.
They're all of a sudden rejuvenated,
feeling like they may have a shot to make the playoffs,
which seems ridiculous,
but they're still mathematically alive in terms of Jets,
and the Dolphins are reeling a little bit right now,
so I don't think it's a slam dunk that you're starting to. It sucks that he probably got you here.
Last week's game notwithstanding,
but for the most part,
he's been one of the best fantasy quarterbacks this season.
And now you may have to bench him.
Now the question is,
is like,
do you bench him for Jake Browning or Joe Flacco or any of these guys?
Like I wouldn't do that,
but if you have clearly Purdy or fields or any of these other guys that are
staff or staff,
right?
Stafford staff.
And I will say this,
if Gino Smith plays,
I played,
you know,
Smith over him too.
Any of those guys I think are in a in a better spot than Tua this week.
And I'll go Browning over him if Tyreek's out.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Tyreek's out.
It's a different story.
For what it's worth, Tyreek looked like Tyreek in the fourth quarter.
I mean, you saw the game.
You saw those big plays that he had.
Well, not necessarily because he was on the sidelines.
It's not something that you see.
Like, their last drive, he wasn't on the field for the start of the drive.
Like he's – I don't think he was able to cut as much as he would –
straight line speed was not an issue for him.
It was the cut.
That's fair.
That was the thing.
Straight line speed is good enough.
Not that I'm making the case for Tua, but he was completely a decoy.
All right.
Okay.
Let's go on to Jared Goff.
Jared Goff against Denver, who now is, what, eight games in a row?
Nine games in a row?
Nine games in a row.
No quarterback has scored 20 points in nine straight games.
That includes Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes twice,
Josh Dobbs when he was red hot, CJ Stroud, and Justin Herbert.
Yes, he left early.
Justin Herbert threw 17 passes for 96 yards
and scored one fantasy point against the Broncos.
I mean, how could I even make the case to start Jared Goff at this point?
Yeah, no.
Can't do it.
And his offensive line's in bad shape as well.
And this Broncos secondary's been playing great.
The pass rush has been good.
I know Nick Bonito's down.
We'll see what that does to them,
but I still think they're going to be able to get after Goff.
And this is a matchup tailor-made for the Lions' run game
because the one thing that the Denver Broncos have not been able to fix
all year is their run defense.
So I can very easily see them say, you know what?
Let's get back to basics.
We still have our starting tackles.
One of our guards is playing pretty well.
Let's lean on them. Let's lean on Gibbs and Montgomery.
They started running the ball well a little too late in the game against Chicago. If they had turned to the run a little bit sooner, I think that they would have had a shot to compete
in that game. I think that's what they're going to do against Denver.
The only thing that makes it difficult is that Jared Goff, you see this 19 fantasy points
per game. He has been a massively different quarterback indoors versus outdoors,
like nine fantasy points per game different.
It has the few road games he's had that are in domes.
He's even been okay.
So, yeah, it's, I think golf's for me,
golf's right there in the two a conversation right now.
All right.
What about my homes?
Is my homes ahead of these guys? He's at new England. May golf's right there in the two-oh conversation right now. All right. What about Mahomes?
Is Mahomes ahead of these guys?
He's at New England.
He really hasn't had a big game in a while.
Week 12, he scored about 25 points.
That was pretty good at Las Vegas. New England is sixth best against quarterbacks.
Here's kind of a weird angle.
Mahomes is averaging the second most yak per completion.
Yards after the catch per completion,
well behind number one Brock Purdy.
The 49ers lead that category basically every year.
But Mahomes is a very low ADOT guy
with a lot of yards after catch.
The Patriots give up the third fewest yards
after catch per reception.
So they're very good at eliminating that.
And I went back, I kind of looked like,
is there a correlation? Does he
do well against teams that struggle? And that
kind of is, actually. His best games
have, for the most part, come against teams
that struggle in that area.
But also, he's just not
getting it done for fantasy purposes here. So
is Patrick Mahomes a tough call for you this week?
Less of a
tough call than
Tua and Goff. I don't think Goff's that tough of a call. than to, uh, and golf.
I don't think off is that tough of a call.
I'm sitting them.
Um,
but my,
for my first question is this,
when it comes to my homes,
if the touchdown had counted last week,
would we even be having this conversation?
He would have had 22.6 points.
He wouldn't have gotten that touchdown.
Nope.
Yeah,
he would have.
No,
it doesn't.
He doesn't get credit for the touchdown. No, I talked to our people about it. They said he would have. No, it doesn't. He doesn't get credit for the touchdown?
No.
I talked to our people about it.
They said he would have.
Oh.
No, it's a run by Tony.
He gets the completion to Kelsey.
Right.
And then the lateral goes to Tony, and Tony gets a rushing touchdown.
Okay.
So then if I'm mistaken, then he still would have been a bad game.
If he had thrown the ball to Kelsey and Kelsey had run in for a touchdown,
obviously.
But the question is, even if he had scored 22.6, I think there would still be some trepidation
about whether or not Mahomes has the sky-high upside. And this is a tough matchup. I know that
the Steelers made the Patriots' defense look amazing last week, but I still think the Patriots'
defense is just good overall.
I've got the FOMO with Mahomes.
I'm going to rank him as a top 10 quarterback.
Oh, he's still top 10, but I mean, look, Purdy's easy at this point.
You're starting him over Mahomes.
I'm starting Stafford over him this week.
That's no question for me.
I would start Fields over him this week just with the upside of what Fields
has brought and should continue to bring. even a tough matchup against the Browns
who have given up some big games of quarterbacks the last two weeks.
And then it comes down to if Christian Watson plays,
I might go with Jordan Love over Mahomes.
And I'm almost there with Trevor Lawrence as well.
Oh, wow.
They're all in that group.
I've got Mahomes, Fields, Lawrence, 7, 8, 9 in my rankings.
And that was just the initial look why was 6 afraid of 7 Dave?
why?
7, 8, 9
because 7 heard your humor
you've never heard that joke?
you've heard their numbers
how could they be afraid of that?
Heath unless you have anything else to say about Mahomes
we'll move on
no I've got him 6 so it's probably in that same range.
All right, six to eight for everyone here for Patrick Mahomes.
Must not be a great quarterback week, I guess.
Well, that's where he's seven for the year,
so we're pretty much just ranking him where he's been for the year.
He's eight per game.
Yes, because Joe Flacco has passed him with his two games
oh is did I not include did I not
eliminate Flacco all right then he might be seventh
per game all right
then let's take a break
when we come back we'll talk about some running backs here
including Austin Eckler
actually you know maybe we'll skip Eckler since we're going to
talk about him in a little bit with the Thursday night
preview so it'll be James Connor
and Javante Williams and then wide receivers and a tight end.
And we'll be right back on Fantasy Football today.
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Okay, let's go to DeAndre Swift.
This guy is really slumping.
Single digit PPR fantasy points
in four of his last five games
and two straight games with four points.
3.9 at Dallas, four points against San Francisco.
I mean, that is like hard to believe.
Is he a tough call this week at Seattle on Monday night?
They have been a pretty easy matchup.
Fifth most fantasy points allowed to running backs,
but he's really in a rut.
Jamie, is DeAndre Swift a tough call for you?
Absolutely.
You know, just based on how he's been playing,
this offensive line has not been, you know,
the same to what it was earlier this year and certainly what it was last year.
The biggest concern is, and I think we've kind of seen this a little bit, as they've started to fall behind in games, he just hasn't been as productive.
Now, he did have the six targets against San Francisco in that loss, but it felt like he was just not involved to the same level.
And certainly he wasn't catching the ball despite the six targets.
So they said last week they have to get back to the run it really was a bad game to go that route because
of how the expected game flow would go you know i think for most of us viewing it you know thought
that dallas would be able to score on them and they did and then once they got behind why would
they try and run um but this feels like a good bounce back spot you know i think this in philadelphia
feel a lot more you know confident in it so like I have a Swift in one league and the
decision that I'm struggling with is Swift versus Zach Moss, who's obviously been struggling as
well. And so matchup to me favors Swift, but you know, that Moss is getting his touches.
So right now I have Moss ahead of Swift, but they're very, very close. Um, I w I would not
be opposed to starting Swift. If you don't have a better option.
Ty Chandler versus
Swift is an easy conversation to
have. You can see both sides of it.
Jerome Ford versus DeAndre
Swift, that's another tough call.
That's kind of where
he is. Went from a
slam dunk top 10 guy to now
a borderline number two guy.
Maybe closer just to a flex. I will say if if he can be good this week then he's going to go back to a slam
buck dunk top 10 guy i think in the semi-finals in the championship his schedule gets a lot better
after this week i believe it's the giants and the cardinals i think to your point he's about what
you said if he can be good this week he could be great this week because the matchup is so favorable
so it's a hard guy to get away from
knowing that Seattle has been as bad as they have.
Does anybody think the Seahawks compete
with Philly or maybe even
lead Philly in the game?
That's what I think it'll take for
Swift to deliver another dud.
Not if
Lockley is there.
I would rather for Geno.
If they had Geno, I'd feel more confident.
I'll say this about Seattle.
They give up a lot of reception.
They give up a lot of passing game, you know, production to running backs.
And I went back, I looked at Swift and those matchups against teams that struggle against pass-catching running backs,
and it has not made a single difference.
It's not like he takes advantage of those matchups.
If Jalen Hurts wants to throw it to him, he will.
But most of the times, he just doesn't. I mean the problem is is just you know we've said this
for the last couple of weeks he's not going to get goal line opportunities well i mean the whole
season not going to get goal line opportunities because of the tush push he's not going to be
heavily involved in the past game you just added adam you know it's not like it's a matchup thing
or yeah a game script thing so there he could run for you know 100 yards and get you 10 points and
that's all you're looking at.
He has three games this year with six or more targets.
It was against the Niners, it was against the Rams,
and against the Jets.
These are teams with good defensive fronts
that can rush the quarterback.
Maybe they use him in those types of situations.
This week is not one of those situations.
Right, but I mean, look at the Cowboys games.
He didn't do it against the Cowboys, and they also have...
Didn't have a single target against the Cowboys.
All right, moving on to...
He targets in two games against Dallas all year.
Javante Williams at Detroit, and if you follow this podcast,
you know what you're doing here.
You know that Detroit, they've had a great run defense all year.
What makes this, to me anyway, a little bit difficult for Javante
is that last week was the first week...
This is obviously a very small sample size,
first week without defensive tackle
Lee McNeil, and they gave up
4.55 yards per carry
to Deontay Foreman. They might, and they're
slumping a little bit against the run, a little bit.
They might, that might be a big difference
for them, not having their, arguably
their best run stuff around the defensive line.
And here's Javante Williams, who typically gets
17 or more carries. So Heath, is this a tough call for you? Javante at the Lions? He is a tough call.
I do have him just ahead of Swift right now. I like the fact that he's caught three passes in
each of his last three games. I like the fact that you're seeing somewhere in that 17 carry
range most of the time. And I think maybe a bigger thing is just that that Denver pass defense has
been so good that they're playing competitive games. he's a low-end number two running back i think
it's very possible that you could have two guys that you would rather start over him it's also
very possible that you've got somebody like james connor or for me like deandre swift that you don't
want to start okay he's pretty safe for 70 total yards
as a floor
I think that he'll be somewhere between 70
and 90 against the Lions I do buy
into the Lions run defense being worse without
McNeil I believe
in Javante being the lead running back
for the Broncos but
last week their running backs
had 20% of the snaps
and Javante works the goal line most of the time.
The touchdown is the one thing that makes him a little bit hard to trust.
Can he get that score?
Yeah.
And he's only scored in three games this year.
One rushing.
I'm going to have him as a number two running back,
but closer to a low end.
I'd rather start Swift.
All right.
Next up is james
connor jamie he's got san francisco uh is he the worst lowest ranked running back that we've
discussed so far swift uh giovante and now james connor uh yes he should be um you know just based
on how matchups should go and look he was great in what I thought was a tough matchup against Pittsburgh,
but clearly that's not the case.
And he destroyed them with the two touchdowns and 100 yards rushing.
So you know he's going to get the carries.
The passing down work has always been a question for him this season.
And he has been a little bit more involved catching the ball lately.
I want to see what the receiving core looks like for the Cardinals
because going into the bye,
Marquise Brown had a heel injury.
Michael Wilson's still not playing with a shoulder injury.
And so if he doesn't have those two guys, then I think Conner's role in the passing game will probably tick up a little bit.
To what degree, we'll find out.
But obviously San Francisco's defense has been amazing.
Hopefully Greenlaw from their side plays to keep that defense rolling.
So I don't think Connor is a slam dunk.
Um, I'd start Swift over him.
I'd start Williams over him.
I think both those guys have a higher ceiling.
I've got him behind those guys.
I have all three of them within like half of a point in my PPR projections.
So I do think it's really close.
Here's a fun, you'll especially enjoy this Adam.
Okay.
James Connor averaged 4.2 yards per carry in that great game
against the Steelers a couple weeks ago.
That was his lowest
yards per carry in a game this season.
He's been good.
He does not have a game below 4.2
yards per carry. That's actually really impressive.
Really impressive. Good for him.
How much work is he going to get
if the 49ers build a lead?
Right. That's so concerning. It might not eveners build a lead right that's so concerning it might
not even be 15 touches and that's what scares me off connor uh so also just saw that uh zach
wilson and tommy devito are the afc and nfc players of the week uh from last week and uh
someone said this is not the first the first person to say this.
Adam looks like DeVito's agent without the hat and chain.
Do you think I look like that guy?
Could you get the hat and chain?
I could.
Someone said that should be my Halloween costume.
That was ridiculous.
That would be fantastic.
I guess I'll say this, even though it's kind of embarrassing. I did put in a couple claims in deeper leagues for Zach Wilson,
just because it kind of looked like something clicked last week.
And if he looks like that again this week, he faces Washington next week.
That's right.
I'm probably not going to start him, but I don't necessarily want to face him
if I'm playing somebody like Dave, who's been rotating through Tommy DeVito
and Joe Flacco and Jake Browning in our YOLO League.
I don't want to leave a guy like Zach Wilson out there just in case.
Does Dave have an illegal lineup again?
He does.
I've already addressed the issue.
And John Bosch, I forgot, has a great solution for this.
He gives a warning.
And then if the warning is not heeded, there's a website called 100yarddash. And you can enter in people's names and have them gives a warning. And then if the warning is not heated, there's a website called 100 yard
dash, and you can enter in people's names and have them run a race. And so he will just enter
in all the players on your team into the 100 yard dash and whoever wins the race gets dropped.
I like that. Why would you, why would you adjust my roster before it needs to be adjusted?
Because you're, you're, you're breaking the rule continually.
You're hoarding players
from other managers.
I have one extra player on my team.
Why does that matter?
I want somebody before Thursday when my lineup
goes legal.
I mean, I'm a bit of a hypocrite here because
I have Josh Palmer in a few leagues
and I know I have to drop him and I haven't dropped him yet.
Is he on your IR?
Yeah, he's on my IR.
Yeah, I see.
Dave's
bad at this.
Okay, wide receivers.
He's mad because he's wrong.
Well, he's right
in the sense that he doesn't have to do it until Thursday.
The rules of our league
state that I don't have to do it until game start. No, there's no way that states that. The commissioners told you repeatedly that you do have to do it until Thursday. The rules of our league state that I don't have to do it until game start.
No, there's no way that states that. The commissioners
told you repeatedly that you do have to do it before Thursday.
Okay.
Maybe you should do what you do to everybody else
who has a problem with fantasy cops and kick me out of the
league.
Yeah, easier said than
done, kicking people out of the league.
All right, wide receivers, just because we're running
a little long here, I'm going to lump these wide receivers together.
Jamar Chase against Minnesota,
Adam Thielen against Atlanta,
Drake London in that same game at Carolina,
and Amari Cooper against Chicago.
These are actually tough matchups, really.
I mean, maybe you could argue Atlanta,
but Atlanta's kind of had a sneaky good defense this year but Jamar Chase
Adam Thielen, Drake London and Amari Cooper
Jamie do you feel like
we have any non-tough
calls there? Any easy calls there?
I'm not
starting Thielen
still at best the number three receiver
it's
very difficult to sit Jamar Chase even though he
has two bad games
and one good one with Jake Browning
I actually like Amari Cooper this week
I just like the fact that he's getting as many targets as he has been
from Joe Flacco
so to me he's a safe number two wide receiver
and then was there anybody else?
yeah London
oh London I would try and get away from
he's just been much better at home than on the road
and the Panthers for whatever it's worth,
they just don't give a lot of production in passing games.
So starter in three or zero leagues,
not a must-start guy in two or zero leagues.
Chase is a really interesting one to me here.
It's like I understand he's going to be a start for most people.
You don't want to leave that potential on the bench.
But they are running the ball a lot with Jake Browning.
He's barely throwing.
Obviously he's got the super low A-dot. Throwing to the running back is a lot with Jake Browning. He's barely throwing. Obviously, he's got the super low A-dot.
Throwing to the running back's a decent amount.
And let's see, Minnesota in their last 10 games,
only four receivers have more than 66 yards against them.
They haven't faced the toughest competition,
but I thought that was pretty impressive.
Yeah, Chase is the one that I'm just starting and not thinking about.
For me, London, Thielen, and Cooper are all in that 25 to 30 range at wide receiver.
But did Chase crack your top 12?
No.
He might be 13.
Okay.
Right.
So, you know, I don't have any Chase teams,
but I know my wife does,
and she'll be sitting him for Debo
and, like, one other stud, I forget.
So you could be in those situations.
Obviously, like, we wouldn't expect Jamar Chase
at this point in the season to be outside the top 12.
He's not a slam dunk.
All right.
Okay, guys.
Dallas Goddard. I want to give your thoughts on Dallas Goddard. We have him as a slam dunk. All right. Okay, guys. Dallas Goddard.
I want to give your thoughts on Dallas Goddard.
We have him as a tough call at Seattle.
Seattle, middle of the pack against tight ends.
Been kind of bad lately.
Goddard had, what, four targets last week.
So, Dave, is Dallas Goddard a tough call for you?
A little bit of a tough call.
He's a low-end start because I can't say that he's
definitely going to be a big part of their game planning in Seattle. It would make so much sense
just going back to Swift and thinking it through. They've talked about, Jamie mentioned this,
they talked about running the ball more and being better with the run. Wouldn't that make Goddard
more of a blocker than a route runner this week? And so it makes me nervous to trust him. He's outside of my top 10.
He's at 11. He's ahead of Isaiah likely. That's when I could see myself switching because I just have no faith in the Jaguars past defense on Sunday night against Baltimore.
This is a guy whose fantasy points per game, I wouldn't say it's misleading,
but he's averaging almost right at 10 PPR fantasy points per game.
He has topped 10 twice all season long.
Right, in 10 games.
He's played 10 games.
Eight of them, he's been single-digit fantasy points.
Two games with more than 50 yards this year for Goddard.
The question for me is,
do I want to try to stream?
Do I drop Goddard?
Do I roster?
Likely he's the only one that you're streaming over him.
Yeah.
But how confident do you feel in that?
Not at all.
But I do it.
What did you say, that? Not at all. But I do it. What did you say, Jamie?
Not likely confident.
I would start likely, but I don't feel confident.
No, that's why it's a tough call.
Yeah, no, I think Dave said it.
You know, matchup is certainly in his favor.
I think the one thing with Goddard is how much of last week was, you know,
the shake the rust off game after the long layoff.
And just knowing that, you know, he, I mean,
this was the problem all season long for him.
And we said it in the preseason that it's like the 49ers, you know,
when you have a talented team like this,
there's going to be a numbers crunch and somebody's going to get left out.
And right now Goddard is, is getting left out a little bit,
or at least last week was getting left out.
So yeah, he's not a slam dunk by any stretch.
You know,
if you have,
if you've played Ferguson,
you're playing Ferguson,
commit,
you're playing commit.
I've seen the joke going Ingram.
So there's,
there's no,
there's no real,
I think slam dunk situation for,
for,
for Goddard.
But,
you know,
to say you'd be playing the replacements that you've had,
you know,
the Gerald Everett's,
the Tyler Conklin's,
the Kate Ottens,
he's better than those guys,
or at least should be.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay.
And he did play his normal snaps.
You're playing 84% of the snaps last week.
So sometimes guys come back like, well, no, Olave is not a case of that.
Olave was sick.
Olave only played two thirds of the snap.
Some guys, sometimes guys come back from injury.
They don't play their full snapshot.
That wasn't the case, but there still could have been some rust shaking off for sure.
Okay. Los sure. Okay,
Los Angeles. Dave, it's time for Thursday Night Football.
Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.
Los Angeles Chargers at the Las Vegas
Raiders. Stat of the game.
You know, I talked about this
on Beyond the Box score on Monday.
There are a number of wide receivers who are outside
the top 20 in points per game
who feel kind of like must-starts, like Chris Olave,
Devontae Adams is one of them.
That's where I'm going with this.
And a lot of them have the same thing in common.
Amari Cooper is one.
They just don't catch touchdowns.
And Devontae Adams caught three touchdowns in his first three games.
He has one touchdown catch since then.
And Aiden O'Connell has three touchdown passes in his last five starts
since taking over Jimmy Garoppolo.
So we've been talking about tough calls.
Adams, it feels like, is a little limited by the fact that he pretty much
never catches touchdowns.
Heath, is Devontae Adams a tough call for you in this game against the Chargers?
If we're calling a top 15 wide receiver a tough call,
then I think he is.
He's right around 15 to 18 for me in the rankings,
which seems awfully high for a tough call,
but I don't feel great about it.
I think he's probably going to score somewhere
in that 12 to 13 range,
and you hope he scores a touchdown.
Would you guys start the surging Rasheed Rice
or Devontante Adams?
Rice.
Still Adams for me.
I believe I have Rice higher.
Would you start
Jamar Chase or Devante Adams?
Chase.
Chase.
Okay.
I'd also start
Keenan Allen over Devante Adams.
That's my next question.
Yeah, I would too.
Do you guys think that they have big games?
How likely is it that they have big games, Allen and Adams?
I mean, you just made the case why Adams might not have a big game,
and Keenan Allen's got Easton Stick now as his quarterback.
So, look, they're not playing the best defenses in the world.
So that's the hope is that, you know, certainly from Adam's perspective,
we've seen a lot of big plays against the chargers.
So hopefully that's where he comes to play. Like, again,
I think it's similar to what we were talking about with some of these other
receivers.
You have to have a very stacked lineup to bench and Devonta Adams,
to bench a Keenan Allen,
just because of what they are still capable of doing.
And as he kind of said, you know, the, the floor has been there for Adams even with the bad quarterback you know 12
to 14 points is kind of where he's been the last three weeks so why would that necessarily change
facing this defense so I don't love him uh as you see I'm the if you're watching our stream I'm the
lowest on Devonta Adams but he's still a number two wide receiver. So Rice, I would start over him. You know, the touchdown dependent,
Cortland Sutton, I start over him.
Both Rams guys, I start over him.
Amari Cooper, I start over him.
DeAndre Hopkins, I start over him.
I don't know how far you want to go,
but that's kind of where it is for me.
So who's the best flex option in this game?
It's such a shame.
You know, you think about this game with Eckler, Jacobs, Adams,
Keenan Allen, in theory Herbert.
What could have been, this could have been a great fantasy game
to kick off the fantasy playoffs.
It doesn't look like that.
Dave, is there anyone in this game that you love?
The DSTs?
The sleepers?
Probably not.
You don't even love them.
They're just sleepers.
I don't even love them.
Look, I think you can trust Austin Eckler.
I like the matchup for Eckler.
I like how he looked last week.
I think he's playing a little bit better,
and I think Easton Stick will be good for Austin Eckler.
And I think Easton Stick proved by the end of last week's game
that he's not the worst passer in the world
and that he can be solid for them.
So Keenan Allen's downgraded,
but he's still going to get a lot of targets.
He's still going to be Keenan Allen.
So those two are the guys I like the most.
Devonta Adams for me is no better than a low end receiver too.
And that's really about it.
The only guys I would say are like sleepers are the DSTs.
Okay.
I'd go Allen Adams.
Eckler is my top three.
Okay. So that implies to me that you're a little low Adams Eckler is my top three. Okay.
So that implies to me that you're a little low on Eckler.
Yeah.
I think I was the one who submitted him as the tough call and I might be the
only one who thinks that he's a tough call.
And I do think it's a good matchup in terms of dump off passes.
Cause that's what the Raiders give up,
but it's just hard as I know he had a hundred yardyard game, exactly 100 yards, I believe, last week.
And so maybe he's back. But as bad as he's been for most of the last
four or five weeks, and this Raiders team did just
face a backup quarterback and play a 3-0 game for the entire
game, then they've been better defensively since the coaching change.
So I think the implied total right now for the game than they've been better defensively since the coaching change so i i think this like i think
the implied total right now for the chargers is 15 and a half so i don't love eckler's touchdown
chances and he is still going to split like the the the lower percentage of the touches thing
happened he just caught a few more passes yeah fair uh you guys are all starting zeke over eckler yes uh no uh dave and jamie have them back
to back with eckler one spot ahead heath has zeke fourth maybe we should talk about him today
um all right how about e Eckler or Cooper Cup? I like Cup a lot.
Cup.
Eckler or Travis Etienne against the Ravens?
Eckler.
Eckler and Peter.
All right, so Dave and Jamie have Eckler around 12th.
Heath has him a little bit lower, like 16th.
And then we talked about Keenan Allen and Devontae Adams.
I don't know that there's anything else in this game.
How about a tight end?
Gerald Everett, he's been all right lately.
Not with Stick and with Palmer back.
Rather, I've got her.
All right.
Let's talk about the Raiders running back.
Sorry.
If Josh Jacobs somehow plays, how much would you like him?
And then if not, any interest in Abdullah or White?
Jacobs might be my favorite play in the game if he comes back. plays, how much would you like him? And then if not any interest in Abdullah or white,
Jacobs might be my favorite play in the game if he comes back, but he's got to get in some practice and all that stuff first. Uh, I would like him quite a bit. Uh, if he doesn't play,
I would imagine it's a mirror white on rushing downs, Abdullah on passing downs, and don't
really love either one of those guys. Abdullah would be the desperation play,
especially in PPR.
All right.
Yeah.
Try to avoid them.
I'm not going to drag this out anymore.
That's it for Thursday night football,
Dave.
No,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no.
Let's take a break.
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It is fantasy cops time, baby.
We've got one from Mike.
He says, Dear Kevin, Ralphie, Clark, and Buddy.
Very easy, guys.
This is a layup.
Yeah, Christmas movie characters.
Yes, thank you.
No John in there or Hans.
Oh, get out of town.
12-team league.
I snuck into the playoffs as the sixth seed.
Our waivers go by
inverse order of standings. Since
I'm in the last playoff spot, I should have the first
waiver claim. I put in a claim for Zeke,
but I wake up in the morning to find
out that the team that's in seventh place and out
of the playoffs put in a waiver claim and blocked
me from getting Zeke. I ended up
with Ty Chandler. There is no
written rule, but anybody who plays fantasy should
know that this is a violation.
Though not a large payout,
there is still prize money involved.
What do I do?
So the team out of the playoffs
made a waiver claim?
Yep.
Get him, Heath.
You just reverse the waivers
and you get Zeke.
Good job, Heath.
You should.
Although he did say there's no...
I assume this has been...
Our league has been going for a while
and he said there's no rule against teams adding.
Is there a toilet bowl?
It doesn't seem like it.
But also, what do you do with Ty Chandler?
He got Ty Chandler.
He may not have gotten him.
You can just hold him until Sunday at
8 p.m.
No, but
seriously, I just ran
into this problem in the podcast league.
You guys probably didn't notice. The four
of us, we all missed the freaking playoffs in the
podcast league. That's bad.
I had a terrible year.
Yeah, so
what was I going to say? Somebody in eighth place put in a bid, which pissed me off.
Why'd you do that?
I just sent a note out.
I said, if you're out of the playoffs, don't put it.
That's an easy one.
It's when, when it's been communicated or when it's clearly a rule, it's very, very easy.
Yeah.
I'm going to put, it was Parker Washington.
I'm going to put him back on waivers.
Yeah.
You know, up for bid.
Um, thankfully he's not playing on Thursday. But this is a little bit more difficult
because I don't know what to do with Ty Chandler.
I mean, there's no...
Ezekiel Elliott should go to this guy.
What you have to do, I think,
is provide a screenshot
that shows your waiver claim for Zeke.
And if, you know,
because it didn't get accepted,
hopefully you have a screenshot of it.
If you can do that, then you get him.
Yeah.
It should have been communicated before.
It's really, really messy if this guy's the commissioner
and they've never had this issue before
and now he's going to make this change for himself.
Is the move to show that you should get Zeke
because you put in a claim form
or should it be the commissioner just takes Zeke off the team
and Zeke goes back up to claim and you reset the waiver order?
So you just basically have to make the claim again.
Yeah, right.
Either way, you should have Zeke, no questions asked.
I just think that the Ty Chandler thing is a conundrum at this point.
He wants both?
No, he wanted Zeke, but he got Chandler.
So what if the team that was behind him in the waiver...
He just put everybody back.
I put them all back?
Yeah, maybe that's what you...
Yeah, there you go. That's easy.
All right. Good job.
We could have said that five minutes ago.
I would have saved a lot of time.
We did?
I did.
Oh, I didn't hear you. Sorry.
All right, from Richie.
Hey, Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
I'll Google it.
12-team Superflex Dynasty League.
Me and another guy were both on the edge of making the playoffs.
101 in the rookie draft is given to the winner of the consolation bracket.
We decided to tank and remove players from our lineup
to get into the consolation bracket to compete for 101.
There are no rules in our bylaws that prevent tanking or starting
and an illegal or empty lineup.
We were successful and both have a buy in the consolation bracket.
Some other owners were not happy and called our tactics, quote,
Bush League, and that we should, quote,
take a real loss like a man, end quote.
LOL.
Where do you guys stand on this strategy?
You should update
your bylaws.
Nothing wrong with taking a dynasty,
but you should have rules that reflect it.
Now that's spoken like the perfect
dynasty league commissioner.
Okay.
I googled Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath,
and the only thing that came up is our show.
I thought maybe there'd be something.
No, I just sent you a link of something that came up.
What is it?
Click it.
It's on YouTube.
What?
This is going to be.
Is Dave sending porn again?
No, no, no.
It's on YouTube.
It's totally safe for work.
Weird. This isn't like last time no, no. It's on YouTube. It's totally safe to work. Weird.
This isn't like last time.
All right. This is from Mark.
Dear Carson, Boomer, and Joe.
Oh, sorry.
Carson, Boomer, and Joe.
Yeah, that's the Sports Talk radio.
I'm in a 10-team league where four teams make the playoffs.
The top three seeds are locked.
The fourth seed is up for grabs.
The current fourth seed is in a close matchup
with someone who is not making the playoffs
and is playing Aaron Jones
who did not play Monday night.
By the way, I believe this was written on Monday.
Right before the game,
the commissioner, who's the current
number one seed, texted
him and told him to take
Aaron Jones out. Remember,
this is the current four seed
because he's not playing. And he did
this and he picked up and started Tajay Spears.
He only did this
when a few members of the league who have
playoff implications reached out to him about this.
The question is, should the commissioner have
texted and told the manager to adjust his
lineup and take out Aaron Jones? Even though
there have been multiple instances this year
when people didn't start someone
and the commissioner did not step in,
the team that is striving for the last place spot
is arguing that since he did not reach out to people
during the year,
multiple times when people did not start anyone,
the commissioner had no right to reach out to someone
at this time of year.
I would agree with that.
It's like Kadarius Toney's offside. It's like, when's like a Cadareous Tony's off sides.
Like when do you call it?
When do you decide to call it?
Um,
I don't have a problem with it.
You don't have a problem with the commissioner telling this guy to take
Jones out of the lineup.
No,
I do.
You,
you literally change people's lineups for them.
So that's a little different.
That's a tanking thing where they have an illegal lineup based on our tanking rules.
In this particular case, I don't want to influence who's getting into the playoffs by being selective about when I'm telling teams to put active players in.
You either have to do it all the time or you do it never.
Because he's right.
If you play that team and, you know.
It's just a commissioner thing?
Like what if the two seed had sent the person a text?
This is where I was going.
Or the three seed.
The people who are fighting for it.
I think it's.
I've definitely texted people and said,
hey, I know this doesn't matter to you,
but could you please set a lineup this week?
We had a situation in my keeper league where my brother-in-law kept Taysom Hill in at tight end
and David Njoku was on his bench and my brother-in-law is out of it. He has no chance
of making the playoffs and it affected his game. He would have won if he had started Njoku.
And the guy that he played is in the playoffs. And the guy who was in a different matchup is
out because of my brother-in-law's move.
And the commissioner didn't reach out to him, which I agree with.
I don't think the commissioner should be a babysitter.
I think the commissioner should be a commissioner.
Yeah.
But if there was somebody else in the league that was like,
Hey, man, I noticed that you've got Taysom on your line.
He's not going to play.
Would you mind making a switch?
It'll help us both.
I'm okay with that.
That's part of the game.
Yeah, I feel like you can't police that, first of all.
Of course not.
But if the commissioner is going to be a babysitter
and then go on and like –
heaven forbid the commissioner changes lineups for people.
No, that shouldn't happen.
That's even worse.
But the commissioner shouldn't be a babysitter.
The commissioner should set the rules.
When the rules are broken, he steps in.
When there's another problem, he solves it fairly, and that's that.
That's not a commentary on what we talked about earlier.
No, and also it shouldn't be commentary on me and the Dynasty League
because basically it's all Schneier's fault.
Schneier screws up every lineup.
Pass the buck, Adam.
All right.
Thank you for the Fantasy Cop submissions.
Let's talk a little Dynasty here
and not about the Bakeburger Dynasty League.
Dynasty quarterback.
Actually, I swear, Heath,
this is a legitimate topic.
I don't want this to come off as a dig or a troll.
No, I am going to take it completely
and entirely only as a dig and a troll.
Okay, fine.
You drafted this juggernaut team in the Bakeburger Dynasty League.
We thought there's no even point in competing this year.
He's got Cooper Cup and Travis Kelsey and Joe Mixon and Aaron Jones,
and he drafted Justin Fields with his first pick of a Superflex League.
Everything went wrong for you.
Right.
And you didn't tank so you
have what i think the fourth pick in the draft i have the fourth pick yeah what did this teach you
if anything about a win now strategy with older players it's it didn't teach me anything it's
inherently risky um you just have to recognize that risk And especially if you don't enjoy the rebuild as much as I do,
you shouldn't do it.
Cause I'm,
I am very,
very content in dynasty to either be contending for the one seed or
contending for the one pick.
There are a lot of people who would much rather just try to fight for that
six seat.
And it has its merit because we see six seeds win championships every year across our
leagues it's just a philosophical thing some people hate the idea of going through a two-year
tank um i really enjoy it so i'm okay with it but it's just philosophically you've got to make sure
you're okay with the downside of it and i've got the fourth pick i picked up some young guys i'm
not missing any picks from next year i still feel okay all right you should it's a good situation and no one wants to be in the middle
like if you ask anybody some people are okay with it but i don't know if anybody really likes
floating between you know being the sixth seed or just missing the playoffs for like three years in
a row in a dynasty league yeah i read it depends on what your situation is like if you're ending up finishing four through six because you know you've had two key injuries or one key injury
or something that's you know caused your team to not succeed but the roster you built going into it
was was championship caliber you just oh i should have made this trade or i should have you know
missed this free agent pickup or whatever the case may be.
But if that continues to happen, then you have to make some self-evaluation.
But I think in case of if you're competing to just make the playoffs
and you know that's been your issue for the last several years,
then yes, it's time to blow it up.
I have tried very hard in multiple leagues to try to get people to see
the things the way you are talking about them,
Dave. And people who are obviously
not contenders in my mind, but maybe
could find the sixth seed, trying to
get them to sell parts for picks and
having no luck. Or people
who are in the five or six
yet trying to get them to take
veterans for picks.
Some people just go about that.
They're not that interested in going either direction there,
but that's the beauty of dynasty.
You know,
everybody's got their own opinion on their team.
And you know,
every year you've got to go back and look at your dining rock dynasty
rosters and say,
okay,
can I contend next year?
And if you look at the roster and you're not even sure that then you
can't,
that's a no,
you have to be really sure that you can contend in order to move forward like a contender all right it's that self-evaluation
that jamie talked about let's talk about dynasty quarterback uh risers and fallers here and heath
who are some of the recent risers uh two guys i've got rising justin fields and brock purdy
and i think for fields and chris and I talked about this on the Dynasty show yesterday with both these guys, but Fields in particular,
I just don't believe, even if the Bears draft a quarterback, as bad
as the quarterback play has been in the NFL this season, that Justin Fields is not going to be
a starter somewhere. And he's reminded us over the last month that when he's a starter
and he has a coaching staff that's not trying to make him a pocket passer, he's a
top five or six fantasy starter.
So he was in that.
I'm not.
Could things go really bad a month ago?
And the boat's been steadied a little bit.
He could even end up in a better situation next year.
Atlanta.
Please get to Atlanta.
With new coaching staff.
They're going to release a statement saying they're not interested in Justin Fields.
Remember they did that with Lamar Jackson?
What kind of feedback did you get when you asked on Twitter,
make the case for Lawrence over Purdy in Dynasty?
Mostly Lawrence backers who were really mad at me for asking the question.
And who do you have ahead, Purdy or Lawrence?
I have Purdy currently ahead of Lawrence.
I understand that I got a lot of responses
about he's tall and his hair.
And then a lot of responses
that Purdy's not going to have
four great weapons forever.
But I think with Lawrence,
it's just you really have to believe
in the profile
and just ignore the fantasy
production.
The first basically three years of his career,
because so far he's been basically a replacement level fantasy quarterback
the last two years.
Okay.
Uh,
let's get a one quarterback league.
Yeah.
Let's go to our,
uh,
dynasty quarterback fallers.
Uh,
Trevor Lawrence,
I think,
Oh,
well,
these aren't as interesting. although i've got to uh i
don't know what to do with him he's bounced from 7 to 12 and he's currently 12 right now but i think
in relation to fields i really it shocked me to see that he's just averaging 20 fantasy points
per game this season and he's not a top 12 quarterback right now. And when is the situation ever going to be better
than it is right now for Tua Tungabailoa?
What did he average last year?
Had to be more than 20.
Well, he kept leaving games early and stuff, but...
You could either stat it to a big number, but...
I mean, I feel like he was awesome last year
when he was healthy, but he never rushes.
He never scores a rushing touchdown.
So it's weird, and I think people are wondering, is Tua good?
People don't really know.
I feel like people don't really know how to feel about Tua as a quarterback.
He could be just a product of the system and the talent around him.
I mean, he's obviously good.
There's no question about that.
He's definitely benefited from it.
Put him on the Giants.
How good do you think he is? Not as good as he is with the Giants. I think he's definitely benefited from it. Put him on the Giants. How good do you think he is?
Not as good as he is with the Giants.
I think he's crap. I think he's crap on the Giants.
Oh, well, I mean, look.
What's Brock Purdy on the Giants?
What's Trevor Lawrence on the Giants?
I mean, you know,
a lot of players don't have great...
A lot of quarterbacks that don't have great players around them
are not very good.
I'm trying to think.
What would Mahomes' career have been like
if he got drafted to the Bears?
Yeah.
It's a good call.
He wouldn't be a two-time Super Bowl champ.
So, look, there's obviously a benefit to great coaching
and great talent around you.
And Tua's a byproduct of that.
I mean, we've said this about a lot of players when they've gotten these receivers,
you know,
Jalen hurts popped when he got AJ Brown,
Josh Allen popped when he got Stefan digs.
I mean,
you know,
that's the nature of what these situations are,
but yes,
two is good.
I think two is good.
Yes.
Yeah.
This,
this is,
this is as good a situation as any quarterback can have,
but he's not... He's taking advantage
of it, but he's not necessarily dominated in it.
Would you guys rather have Purdy or Tua?
I think Purdy's going to be in San Francisco
for a long time.
I don't think Tua's leaving Miami. The problem is
like, yes,
Tua's got better talent around... Excuse me.
Purdy's got better talent around him
the problem is that when they eventually have to pay purdy mccaffrey's gonna be at that point
in his career where it's probably starting to hit the downslide downside are they gonna pay iuk
this year yeah but they can pay you right now because purdy's on such a you know cheap deal
so they can keep this intact. Yeah.
This is a tough one.
I think I'd rather have... I think a nice tiebreaker is
with the schedule's rest of season,
you'd definitely rather have Purdy rest of season, right?
Oh, hell yeah.
And you'd probably rather have Purdy next year.
But for Dynasty, I think it's an interesting dilemma.
I would lean Purdy.
Yeah.
All right.
Let's read some of your emails.
Some questions about lineup decisions for Fantasy Week 15.
From Donovan in a town west of Culver City, California.
It's hard to get west of Culver City, California.
Let's go with Waikiki, Hawaii.
There you go.
Dear Pauly, Jimmy, Henry, and Tommy.
Oh, I don't know.
Goodfellas?
Oh, yeah.
I think so.
Choose two PPR flex and tight end.
First of all, tight end.
Likely or Ferguson?
Ferg.
Ferguson.
Ferguson.
And then Odell, Hollywood Brown, Ty Chandler.
I suppose you could put Likely in there as well.
Odell, Likely, Hollywood Brown, and Ty Chandler pick two.
Chandler and Odell.
Yeah, and if...
I mean, I guess Madison could still play, right?
Yep.
I have likely in full PPR with O'Neal.
I think if Madison plays, I'd probably just go likely.
Yeah, I mean, then you're tying yourself to two Ravens,
which is not bad, as we saw last week, but could be.
Yeah, maybe I should diversify.
No, I would start both Ravens.
I would start both Ravens if Madison plays.
Madison's out.
Oh, yeah, right.
His Jacksonville defense has been a disaster.
Yeah, it has.
All right, from Aaron.
Aaron?
Aaron?
No, no, no.
It's only Eric.
I need to start three of these five wide receivers.
Amonra St. Brown, Jamar Chase, DJ Moore, Chris Olave, Rushie Rice.
Pick three.
Amonra St. Brown, Moore, and Olave.
That's how I have it ranked.
I would go Amonra St. Brown, Moore, and Chase.
Any hesitation with Moore against the Browns?
No. Not really. This is from Mike in St. Louis. Any hesitation with Moore against the Browns?
No.
Not really.
This is from Mike in St. Louis.
10-team PPR.
I need two running backs and a flex.
Kamara,
Brees Hall,
A-Chan,
James Conner,
Aaron Jones,
Ezekiel Elliott.
Pick two of them.
The first two running backs.
Kameron Hall?
Kameron Zeke.
All right.
And then for your flex, you've got A. Chan, Connor, Aaron Jones, either Zeke or Hall, or Chris Olave against the Giants.
Hall.
Elliott.
Yeah, Elliott.
So we chose the same three running backs either way okay can you help me out with a tough one from matthew here
keaton mitchell antonio gibson ty chandler or jerry judy ppr
gibson if there's no robinson yeah i thought you like liked Chandler better. Yeah, but if Robinson plays, then you like Chandler.
If everybody's out, I'll take Chandler over Gibson.
Okay.
And then you can make your decision based on the availability of Madison.
If Madison plays, you go to Gibson.
If Robinson plays, it's easy.
You go to Chandler.
But if Madison...
Okay, and then let me ask you this.
If Madison and Robinson both play.
Mitchell.
Keaton Mitchell.
It's PPR?
Yeah.
I'll go Gibson.
All right.
Washington against the Rams this week.
All right, that's it for today's show.
Thanks, everybody.
We'll talk to you tomorrow with Starter Sit for the AFC Hope Games.
Have a good one.