Fantasy Football Today - Week 16 Recap! Biggest Surprises, Winners and Losers (12/22 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: December 23, 2024

Get some awesome Fantasy gear here: https://shop.cbssports.com/fantasy It was a great day for offense! We start with some wacky stats about Jerome Ford, the 49ers run game and Josh Allen before we give our biggest winner (5:10) and biggest loser (6:15) of Week 16. Chuba Hubbard was a big winner and the Browns passing game was a big loser ... News and notes (11:40) and an edition of "Of Course He Did This On My Bench (15:15)!" Are Deebo Samuel and DK Metcalf back? Then we've got more winners (22:00) including Jameson Williams and Jonathan Taylor and more losers (30:00) including Cooper Kupp and Tony Pollard. We also take a look at the Top 5 at each position (35:55) ... Recapping each game with our Fantasy thoughts (46:15) ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Please VOTE for Fantasy Football Today in the Sports Podcast Awards in the "Best Fantasy Betting and Gaming Podcast" category: https://bit.ly/3Zxw3uS Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You're probably happy. If you are losing, we appreciate you being here. You're a good sport. I don't really want to be here. I know I'm going to lose some leagues, but we welcome you to Fantasy Football Today presented by BedMGM, the Sportsbook for in Vegas. It's Adam Azer with Jamie Isenberg and Heath Cummings here

on Sunday night. And we are recapping the action. Would you like some wacky stats from week 16? Yeah. Okay, good. Jerome Ford now has four carries of more than 60 yards in his career. That is so impressive.

Did anybody in the NFC North? No, nobody had one. Well, you got one game still to go. Oh, no, that's not true. Taylor did. Barclay, did he goes for 60? Barclay did, Taylor did. But you said it was the end, you were comparing him to the NFC North.

I was comparing him to the four starting running backs in the NFC North. Like Josh Jacobs has not had four carries. I don't know if he's had any of 60 yards. It's really impressive. And it was part of a good day for Jerome Ford. All right, number two, wacky stat. Brock Purdy led his team in rushing with 26 yards. Not all waiver wire running backs are equal.

James Cook led his team in receiving with 26 yards. And. You maybe touched the ball more than 12 times a game. Like, come on, what are they doing? This one might be the wackiest. Dorian Thompson Robinson threw for more yards than Josh Allen today. 157 to 154.

That's crazy. And Heath, you and I were talking at the very end of FFT Express. We went into this week kind of nervous about the elite quarterbacks, right? Lamar Jackson, bad history against Pittsburgh. He scores over 25 points is his best game against Pittsburgh ever. Joe burrow, bad history against Cleveland. He scores about 27 points. Jane Daniels facing this Eagles defense. He scores 44, 45 points. Uh, who else was it? Jared Goff freezing cold weather at

Chicago, you know, or whatever it was outdoors in December. Huge game for him. And then the two that were like the no brainers were Hertz and Allen. But yeah, what do you think of the quarterback play? Really just a great day for offense today. It was, um, the, the bill's game was just weird. New England completely dominated time

of possession. The first third of that game, I think Josh Allen and the bills had 11 yards in the first quarter and like three possessions in the whole first half. Um, and hurts obviously got hurt. So basically every, like, and you didn't even mention Mahomes because we don't consider him an elite quarterback anymore, but he scored 25 fantasy points and took off running like to start the game against the Texans. The ankle was no concern. Everything we worried about, there was no reason to worry. Yeah, pretty much.

And maybe that's a good time to say like, some people times people speculate as to why we might be a couple minutes later than they were expected. I thought Eric had a very good message in the chat. Adam is holding the ladder for his wife Some people, times people speculate as to why we might be a couple minutes later than they're expected. I thought Eric had a very good message in the chat. Adam is holding the ladder for his wife to go into the attic to check on the noise. No, as you all can tell, I'm not at home.

I am in the Stanford office because my Wi-Fi is out for the second straight weekend and it did not come back in time this time. But anyway, sorry if I look a little strange today. All right, Jamie, who's a big winner for you today? Big winner for me, what I sent you, Chuba Hubbard. Great day for him. Yeah, it was a great day. He's not good enough to be the number one running back today

because Jonathan Taylor takes that. I think Taylor scored the third most fantasy points of any running back in a game this year, but Chuba Hubbard, 32 fantasy points, 25 carries, four catches, 165 total yards, two touchdowns, game winner in overtime. What do you have to say about him? You know, I think we had a little bit of concern, right? Coming into the game because he won a great last week and this Arizona run defense is awful. And I would not be surprised given the fact of what the Rams have done on the road, the

last two games playing in bad weather, that they go home against the Cardinals team next week that just got eliminated from playoff contention, that they absolutely destroy them. Not that Kyron Williams was not expected to have a good game or you would be sitting him in any capacity, but he may absolutely go nuclear. He's who's the biggest loser this week? Oh, they're like as great of a day as it was for offense. There were a few. And I think, um, Jerry, Judy, AKA the Cleveland Browns wide receivers.

Everything went pretty much like we expected with Dorian Thompson Robinson in terms of passing and to make things even worse, David Njoku came back and was just himself. Didn't seem to be impacted that much by the quarterback change. Jerome Ford was awesome, but the wide receivers have been completely nerfed by the absence of Jameis Winston. What do you think they do next week? Did that fancy already announced it or no?

Yes, he said if he's healthy because Dorian Thompson Robinson does have an injury, a hamstring or something like that, he will start. He plans to start him if he's healthy against the Dolphins. So they're, they're in tank mode. Yeah. It's so strange. Like it doesn't even make sense. He turns the ball over to what does he do better than Jamis has a better chance to win a game. Yeah, right. I mean, but I don't know that these coaches, I understand what you're saying, but I don't know that these coaches are thinking that way. Dorian Thompson. Well, they were the Raiders would not have won today. I mean, that was the dumbest thing ever. Not for me. It was the great, great day. However, I do think it's pretty likely that the Eagles will not have anything to

play for in week 18. It, it seems like that's the, they lost the chance at the one seat today. Oh, they're eliminated from the one seat. Well, if they have three, they have three conference losses and the lions and Vikings play each other head to head. So whoever loses, if either one lose next week and still lose the following week, the lions losses, I don't, the lions lost to the Bills and I forget who else, but that's an AFC loss. And the Vikings also lost an AFC game.

So they're out of the one seed. I'm pretty sure we were trying to figure this out. I think you're right. I'm almost certain that the Eagles would lose the tiebreakers to get the one seat. Yeah. So they're not going to gonna have any if they win next week They lock up the division and they have nothing to play for because both teams can't both both the Vikings and Lions can't lose out Right. Yeah, right both of my guys lines can't lose out and and they both have a FC losses How about that week 18 Minnesota Detroit game that could be fantastic? All right

I'll tell you what you know where we got a lot of football left, but I'm so fascinated by what the Vikings are going to do with Sam Darnold. Bro, you would have been... I mean, you know, I don't... You guys have a much better relationship with Bryant McFadden, BMAC than I do. Former Steelers cornerback, CBS sports contributor.

We had such a funny argument. He was saying, as a Steelers fan, there's a stealer that he, no, he wasn't saying he was saying that the Steelers would rather play at home against Baltimore in the first round of the playoffs than on the road at Houston. And I was like, are you kidding me? Like, I don't care where the game is. Nobody wants to play Baltimore ahead of Houston. But it's a fun time to talk about these things

and all these scenarios right now. Cause if there's no wind division, it works out for them. The interesting path in the playoffs is a team you don't really want to see, I think right now is the Rams. And if it works out well for them, they're going to get a home playoff game.

If they win the West, they could potentially go on the road to play the Lions or the Vikings. So they're staying indoors. And with the way Detroit's defense looks right now and Minnesota look, I know they're playing great season, but I think the Rams could beat them. Like they could, they could make it to the NFC championship game just based on playing, staying indoors.

Like I think they go outdoors. They could be in trouble, but, um, I could be wrong about this though, but on the AFC side, the team, the Steelers or Ravens, whichever team does not win the division is going to end up in the five seed facing the Texans on the road. And unless they lose their next two. Yeah, that's possible. But in all likelihood, there'll be the five.

Because the Steelers play the chiefs and the Bengals. Like they could very easily go to 10 and seven and be the six or seven seed. And then they'd play the Ravens in that case or the bills or the bill. Yeah. All right. All right. A lot to be determined. All right.

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If he's healthy, he will play. He will start next week against Miami. Josh Allen hurt his elbow. He heard something every week. He's fine. All right. James Connor and Ken Walker, both left with injuries. And we pretty much know what we're doing with the Seattle situation. But Jamie, what do you think about the Arizona situation? They're at the Rams next week.

You had Trey Benson waiting to see what would happen if James Connor got hurt. And he was inactive today with an injury. You had Michael Carter in there and Marty DeMercato is on IR. So you're gonna be right in the waiver wire column. What are you gonna be writing about for the Cardinals? I mean, first off, you want to hope Trey Benson's healthy because then he would step into the starting role, you assume, and get an opportunity to showcase what he's capable of doing if Connor doesn't play. But Michael Carter would be the next guy up. And so he's going to be, you know, someone who's going to be very popular on the waiver wire as well. So we're looking at a situation where it's not going to be easy against the Rams be you know, someone who's gonna be very popular on the waiver wire as well So we're looking at a situation where it's not gonna be easy against the Rams, you know again Cardinals get a link anytime you see these teams get eliminated from the playoffs

like I wonder how much that played into the 49ers knowing that when they kicked off they were eliminated from the playoffs and They struggled against Miami for example, so Gonna be a tough game for the Cardinals all the way around desperate situation Trey Benson would be the priority if healthy. Michael Carter is the fallback option. All right. More news items for you.

Uh, justice Hill left with a concussion and tank Dell with the dislocated kneecap. What a awful situation. Awful. T Higgins left with an ankle injury, but he came back. Also, if you're watching the show, you might notice that I have no idea where my camera is and I keep looking at the wrong thing. So you can laugh along. It's right in front of your face.

Yeah. George Pickens could play this week. Sam used to my old one and I keep looking like over there. George Pickens could play this week. They're playing Christmas Day against Kansas City and Drake London left with it. Does anybody have an update on Drake London? He has a hamstring injury, but he played most of the snaps. I didn't see if he came back in the game because I would guess

they were probably being cautious with it. You know, it's what's crazy is we got a practice report from the Steelers today. I was like, what? Next week is so weird. Right. This upcoming week. There's three games on Saturday. There's nine games on Sunday and two of them are at four o'clock.

It's we've got a Wednesday, two Wednesdays, a Thursday, three Saturdays, Sunday. I've been I've been tasked with trying to get start sit done by Tuesday, which will be the earliest I've ever written in my life. Oh my gosh. Drake London. Raheem Morris said he does not think it is serious. Okay, more news items. That's about it. Yeah. Oh, quarterback situation. Yeah, really hurts. I'm sorry. I didn't say that one. That's the obviously

the big one jail. Not only is he injured, and Sirianni did not give an update on this. Apparently, Kenny Pickett also injured his ribs at the end of the game. So they may be down to their third quarterback who I do not know who that is. All right. They got Dallas at home next week, one of those four o'clock games on Sunday. And the Cardinals, I'll mention the Cardinals were playing without their starting left tackle. Then they lost their starting right tackle during the game. So Oh, they're starting centered and play there. Oh, wow. So there you could be centers got ruled out before the game for illnesses. Oh, for illness as well. Panthers and Cardinals.

Everyone's sick, man. Everyone's sick right now. Okay. That's it for the injuries. Let's go to I'll do a quick segment here. We did this one last week, but of course he did this on my bench. How about Depot Samuel? 40% started, seven catches, 96 yards and a touchdown on nine targets, five carries for 25 yards at Miami, gets Detroit next week. Jamie, is he back? Is Depot back? Again, eliminated team. We'll see what their motivation is to play. I'm sure they're going to want to play spoiler after knowing that Detroit was a big competitor of theirs for last season in the NFC Championship game. So I think he's going to be in the number three receiver range.

So you'll feel a little bit more confident in him. And look, we know they tried to get him going last week. He also nearly had a play to get them down inside the five that was turned Overturned by penalty so he could have had an even bigger day He looked good. He really did, you know And it's a shame that it took this long in the season for him to start playing like the guy that we hoped He would be all season long DK met calf Heath, of course, he did this on my bench

So it wasn't really that great. Three catches, 57 yards and a touchdown on seven targets. Are you encouraged by this for DK Metcalf? Oh, in the first half, right? Uh, I'm not sure he did anything late in that game. They were all going to JSN. Um, so I've no, I'm not going to say, I thought I was going to be encouraged. I almost changed him to one of the winners, but I didn't want to jinx him for

the rest of the game. And then it turned out he didn't do anything the rest of the game anyway. Um, I think three for 57 on a touchdown. Like if you had to start them, you feel fortunate, but it shouldn't make you feel any better about what we've seen. Cause it's really the same thing we've seen for six weeks now. He just happened to get it in the end zone. Tyrone Tracy Jr.

I had in this category, he ended up with a solid game. He caught a touchdown. We had him ranked as a starter, didn't we? People didn't start. He was only started. He was only started in 39% of leagues. I think people gave up on, yeah, it's hard to judge. I know it is. I, yeah, I know it is. I was going to say that I just, my gut is people were kind of sick of Tyrone Tracy and, and we're over him. Um, so whatever, I don't know that he did that much to quell the fears.

I mean, catching a touchdown, this team is horrible. Obviously. The thing that I said during the week was like the reason that I was sticking with Tyrone Tracy was because he had the 10 targets in the last two games. He had four targets in this game. He made a great cat. The touchdown was a great catch. He's very good as a pass catcher had another four catches.

I think you, I'm going to go into next week expecting he's going to see five targets that's going to make him a starting running back for me and PBR and the seven carries don't feel good, but there were only 11 running back rush attempts in this game. Um, just 55 offensive plays from the Giants. So I feel pretty good about Taro Tracy. I'm sorry. You also just look at what happened to the Colts against the Titans.

And I think you can assume there's going to be a lot of targets once again for Tracy. So I had him ranked as a low end number two running back. I'm sure he probably had him a little bit more a little higher in his rankings. I think you know In PPR I think you could feel comfortable with him as a low-end starter because you know Look the touchdown wasn't a broken play is wide open in the back in the end zone drew lock hit him In drew lock fashion he'll go through him So it's just a matter of this offense is gonna struggle

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All right, let's get to our winners and losers. Jamie, you got Jamison Williams, Chuba Hubbard, and Anthony Richardson. Jamison Williams with five catch, this probably should have been, of course he does this on my bench. Five catches, 143 yards and a touchdown on seven targets. Great performance for him. And honestly, you know, you saw the big play, his ADOT was only 12 or 13 yards. So he was getting a lot of non deep balls, which is nice to see. What do you think about Jameson? I was dead wrong on golf playing this great outdoors. You know, I didn't say to sit him, but I did say to sit Jameson Williams because his track record on the road this

year was not great. And that was some indoor games and he didn't play in the, in the Packers game outdoors. So this is his first game outdoors of the year and he was a monster. And you know, look, the bears are terrible. It wasn't really about the matchup at all. It was just a matter of, you know, could the Lions offense continue to do this? And the thing about this Lions team right now with all the injuries on defense is they're going to have to outscore teams to be successful. And they clearly have the ability to do it. And this was a classic game of play against the team that stinks and do basically whatever you wanted to do. And that's, you know, Laporta had a nice catch for the touchdown. Obviously Amara St. Brown made some big

plays and then Jameson Williams with the big player over the top. So, made me look stupid for saying to sit him and just shows you that he is still got the ability to be one of the better receivers in the league and better fantasy receivers as well when he gets targets. And then Anthony Richardson, going to be a top 10 quarterback next week against the Giants? My early rankings, he's in the top six. I mean, there's just a great opportunity here against a bad defense to continue to do what he did this week. I thought he would have played, I thought he, I thought he would play well last week. He obviously did not. I thought he played well this week. He clearly did. When he's got good matchups, he's got the

ability to be, you know, such a difference maker. And that's what we have next week against the Giants. So there's still are in playoff contention. Um, you know, we keep talking about maybe the Bengals get in. Well, right now the Colts are ahead of the Bengals. So if the Bengals beat the Broncos and the Colts went out, which is clearly on the table for them, then they could somehow sneak into the playoffs and Richardson's got an opportunity to help lead the way. So, uh, good for him to bounce back after disappointing performance last week and beat up on a bad defense. You know, Anthony Richardson is not even going to be a top 12 quarterback this week. It was such a good week for quarterbacks. And then there were guys who didn't even really play

all that well. Like Brock Purdy outscored Anthony Richardson. He scored over 24 fantasy points. Geno Smith, Geno Smith played all right. He was up there. Caleb Williams scored 26 fantasy points. Kyler Murray, Kyler Murray and Anthony Richardson basically have the same amount of fantasy points and they're both outside the top 12. They scored about 22. And Kyler did not play particularly well from what I had. One of the worst interceptions I've ever seen where he's rolling right now, like ran past the line of scrimmage. He had Trey McBride so wide open. The more wide open Trey McBride is, the more he misses him. And so he's wide open on the sideline by himself. He could have been standing there picking

his nose for all he wanted to. And he threw it down the field right to a Panthers defender. It was just awful. Can we make an elite team, the elite players who were horrible this week team Josh Allen and Trey McBride Come to mind. I don't know like Joe Mixon Joe Mixon Another running back who would it be It's not so easy, but I just like just thinking about Trey McBride as you finally faced him this week you know good so easy, but I just like just thinking about Trey McBride as you finally faced him this week you know good for you, but Who else who was bad this week Jerry Judy does he see on the team? He's been elite. Yeah, he counts

He's been amazing lately Cooper Cup Cooper Cup scored five fantasy points Breece Hall, I guess No, Breeze had a bunch of catches. Oh, yeah Who's our second running back? I'll tell you. Brian Robinson Jr. I don't know. He's not elite. Pollard?

Yeah, Pollard was bad. Both aren't really elite though, right? Not quite. Brian Robinson Jr. was so bad. You got a lot of guys in this category. So you got Pacheco and ETN and Brian Robinson and Pollard all under 10. Yeah, it's hard to get an RB too there. Yeah. What about chase Brown running back by committee? Oh, chase Brown. Yeah, it was, he wasn't horrible, but it was a good week to face chase Brown. That's for sure. 13 fantasy points for him. Worst

game in a long time. Who are the receivers? Cooper Cup, you said? Cooper Cup and Jerry Judy would be for me. We got to find a third one. Okay, that shouldn't be too hard. Trey McBride and Kelsey and what Kelsey's not elite anymore either. But no, Kelsey's a must start. No doubt about it's a good one. Yeah, we can put it on. He was all well and sudden maybe

sudden gotcha 10. Marvin Harrison Jacobi Myers, yeah, Garrett Wilson, maybe Well Wilson was better than yeah, you know, he wasn't bad enough I think it's got to be maybe Marvin Harrison It was Xavier Hutchinson had a bad game wide receivers who terrible. Khalil Shakir would definitely be on the. Oh yeah. Two touchdowns. He never drops anything.

All right. But how about that? How about that? Bill's DST touchdown. What a strange play that was. I was facing Dave in the Yolo league and I think it was Russo that like ran a circle around the ball around the ball in zone before somebody else came up and fell on it for the touchdown. I'm like, pick it up, pick it up.

All right. Heath's winners, Jerome Ford, 51% started 91% rostered Jonathan Taylor. Dave wanted me to, well, no, I'm he didn't ask me to do this, but I'm going to give him a shout out because he was, he loved Taylor. He predicted a big game for him today. Um, everybody liked him, uh, but 218 yards, three touchdowns and Chico Conquo, so interesting list here, Ford, Taylor O'Connor. So Taylor's like short, but sweet, just a reminder that he is one of the elite running backs in the NFL and even when he's not getting targets, even when he's not been good lately,

even when he knocks you out of the playoffs, because he dropped the ball on the one yard line, he's still a must start running back if you have him. And he didn't knock you out of the playoffs because he dropped it. It was me, me and Jamie, I think both lost leagues because of that. It was me, like it's me and Jamie. I think both lost leagues because of that. Um, chigs probably the most interesting one because we saw this massive game from him when Rudolph took over for Levus last week, and then he gets 11 targets this week, catches nine of them for 81 yards, then he gets to

face Jacksonville in the fantasy championships. Like I still fondly remember Devin Aroma showed you because he won me a championship with two games out of nowhere back in 2009 for the Bears. Chico Conquo might add his name to that list this year. He's going to be one of these guys that has another strong game and we're going to either get fooled by him next year. Yes, because I mean, look, you go back to the combine. He was the fastest tight end that year coming out. I spoke to him that offseason. I was so excited about him

This was going into 2023 so excited about his his potential because you know They do they didn't have a lot of high-end weapons and thought okay. He's gonna be featured in this offense was not This year they tried to replace him. They drafted another tight end that they liked and You see what his upside is. I mean, he's an athletic freak. He can do a lot of different things in this offense if they give him the ball and hopefully this is maybe unlocking his potential that you'll probably draft him if you do as a tight end too next year. But given targets, who knows? And they're going to most likely have a new quarterback. All right. And the losers, Heath's losers are Jerry, Judy, who knows? And they're going to most likely have a new quarterback. All right.

And the losers, Heath's losers are Jerry Judy, who we talked about. You had Zach Charbonneau. We're going to take him off the list. Yeah. Can we throw Patrick Taylor on there maybe? And Garrett Wilson. We talked about this with Patrick Taylor though. It's not the same thing.

Isaac Garendo was a guy they drafted last year who was one of the most athletic running backs in NFL combine history, maybe the most athletic. Patrick Taylor was a fourth year player who never been fantasy relevant and doesn't look like he's fantasy relevant. Even when everybody in front of him gets hurt. Um, I, I can't imagine feeling confident starting him even if Gerrindo is out again next week. Uh, the gear at Wilson was super frustrating because this was a

game where Rogers threw 42 passes. And Wilson had the same number of targets as Tyler Conklin and Breece Hall got back in, like Breece Hall seemed to be maybe more closer to 100%. So he was back involved in the passing game and Alan Lazard's there now. And he had five targets. Like it's just Devonte Adams is a clear number one wide receiver in this offense and everybody else is fighting for scraps.

Yeah. I just want to say this about Taylor. There's no chance I'm starting him or anything like that, but he played most of the snaps. I don't have the percentages, but he played like 80 something percent of the snaps. I think he was the only running back that was really involved. I mean, you not counting use check or anything, but he was the only running back. So if you had told me I'm looking at it now, they had 61 offensive snaps. He played 48 of them. I would have expected a much better game from Taylor, but he only had eight carries and he had, he had

five targets and one catch for one yard. So it's also like the cost of interception too. What's that? He should have cost them interception. He had a ball bounce off of his hands that dolphins, all defensive lineman pinned the ball to the ground. His helmet popped up Jones. I don't know his first name, but how am I popped off? Yeah. And he almost got murdered but um, it was uh, it was a bad drop by uh, by Taylor. I, I, I wonder if you know, if you're the 49ers and Grendel doesn't play next week, do they maybe give Manicanda chances to see what they have there or you know, you know, Keishan Vaughn because Taylor, look, he, he, he did what they, he didn't do what they need him to

do but he, you know, he played in, in a, in a tough spot and you know, you've talked about this in terms of the dolphins run defense and how good they've been in the second half of the season. So this wasn't going to be an easy matchup unless he scored next week. Again, they're eliminated, you know, so hopefully Grendel's back, but if he's not, you wonder what to do. Who do they have next week? Lion, lion, lion, right, right, right. Okay. Lion lion, right, right, right. Okay, and then Jamie's losers

Were Aaron Rodgers scored about 14 points against the Rams on 42 pass attempts Cooper Cup three catches 24 yards on three targets and Tony Pollard who had eight carries for 35 yards and two catches for five yards and Yeah, Tajay Spears, man These huge games and nobody's starting them. Yeah, but okay, so you got Rogers cup and Pollard. So Rogers, I was nervous about coming into this game just because he did what he did last week against the

Jacksonville Jaguar defense that we know is bad. And this Rams defense, you know, I said it during the week, they got beat up by Josh Allen, they had done a great job against Jalen, they did a good job in limiting the production for Jalen Hurst. They did a good job in limiting their production of Brock Purdy. Good defense, bad defense. Well, you know, we, we were gonna find out. The weather did not help the conditions, but this is just, I think, you know, what Rodgers is still capable of on a downside, you know. Like you were to say 40-some-odd pass attempts,

you'll sign up for that all day long because he had been playing better, you know, the coaching staff talking about that he looked healthier and feeling like himself. Now he missed some throws where Devontae Adams was open. I didn't watch the game closely yet so I go back and watch but the the times the few times I looked up like he had Adams on a couple passes that I saw he clearly missed. He got a little bit banged up in the game also, but he's just, he's just flawed. I mean, you know, you got a 40 year old guy with an Achilles in bad weather. Now we'll see what happens next week. Um, against a bill's defense

that just gave up three total touchdowns to Drake may and may look okay at times throwing the ball. I can't imagine many people are going to trust Aaron Rodgers though, if you did survive and get your fantasy championship. All right. And then Pollard, you know The thing about Pollard was this game was a blowout at halftime and they well It was a blowout in like maybe in the third quarter and then there was a furious rally for the Titans, but they were trailing He actually had

He had six carries in the first like he basically got the work in the first half then the game script was terrible Next week they're at Jacksonville So do you think we can go back to Tony Pollard or just can't trust this guy's to hurt so I think depending on what the practice reports are you feel more comfortable if he's able to get some semblance of work in at all during the week but the matchup is very good so I think if you're looking at it from the standpoint of can he uh can you trust him um how do you drop that ball Jamie I think if you're looking at it from the standpoint of. Can he? Can you trust him? How do you drop that ball, Jamie?

I don't know. I don't know. Oh, that's Sterling Shepard. Yeah, don't throw the turn. Stop Jamie in his tracks. Well, when I saw your reaction, I knew something bad happened. And on fourth down, no less. I think for the third. Well, I think for the, um, third, um, I think for the game for the Falcons, right?

Huh? This is a big game for the Falcons. She was getting for the Falcons. Um, I think for the, it's huge game for the Cowboys. They're still alive. Um, the, uh, where are we? Tony Pollard, trust him next week. I think depending on what your, what your situation, what your team looks like.

Like again, I did my early running back rankings and he's around running back 20, you know, so. Okay. And you said Cooper Cup is another loser. Very quiet day for Matthew Stafford. Very quiet day. And I will go back to Cooper Cup next week simply because this is the type of game that they're going to bounce back.

This is two bad games on the road in bad weather, going back home against the Cardinals. Cardinals are clearly thinking about Cabo at this point, and there's a big chance here for the Rams to have a huge blowout victory at home. I do want to apologize to the casual Cowboys fans who just got a glimmer of hope because Jamie said they were still alive because the Cowboys are very, very dead. Oh, they got a limit to it hope because Jamie said they were still alive because the Cowboys are very, very dead. Oh, they got a limited. Yeah. I feel bad for that guy. It's like, Oh, we've got a chance. Jamie doesn't know. Jamie doesn't know where the Cardinals are going on

vacation. It could be going anywhere. All right. So how about in a matter of seconds, how about a look at the top five at each position today? And quarterback number one is Jaden Daniels at 44 points. Jared Goff too. You remember some of the questions we got this morning about Jaden Daniels? Yeah.

Jaden, yeah. I mean, a lot of it was like Kyler Murray or this guy. So anyway. We got the Michael Pennings or Jaden Daniels? Oh, I don't remember that one specifically, but Daniels Goff, Bryce Young, 30 points, Sam Darnold to 28 points and Joe Burrow 27. Kind of like feels like there should be more big scores, but only one quarterback with

more than 31 points, but a lot with 25 or more. I think that Burrow one was weird too. Why is that last touch that last touchdown through to chase? Yeah. On second down with like a minute 45 left on a free play. Yeah. I don't know if they do that. If not for a free play, but you also see what, what he, uh, wait, the fumble he took at the goal line. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. That was a roller coaster if you had burrow. Um, but yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's not much to say unless you want to talk about Bryce Young, Sam Darnold.

I mean, Darnold, I think you're just starting regardless at this point. I don't know why anybody would blink twice if you're, you know, he got you this far. Bryce Young, look, two QB leagues, Super Flex leagues. He's been fantastic. Have you been starting in, you know, better part of the last month? And I mean, Tampa Bay is defense, as we know, not exactly the toughest of matchups. And probably winning enough to make sure that he gets to start again next year. Oh, we should definitely get a chance to start next year. And at running back our top five, Jonathan Taylor, Chuba Hubbard, Devon Achan, Saquon

Barkley, and James Cook. How about Devon Achan doing what he needed to do for our fantasy team? Not taking a knee. Oh yeah, that's right. Taking it all the way to the house at the end there. But finally a good running game. It took them a while. They were not running the ball successfully early, but finally a good running game for

the Miami Dolphins. Taylor, Chuba, Achan, Barkley, James Cook, they are who they are. It was kind of a chalky week, except for Hubbard, who Jamie already talked about. But Hubbard next week has the Bucks on the road. And wide receivers. We had Justin Jefferson, Keenan Allen. I don't know if you guys, I don't know if you guys had anything that you were mad at yourself for. I think I said it to one of you guys maybe off the air. I really wanted to start Keenan Allen over Garrett Wilson all week. I just had a feeling and I didn't.

I was too scared. I started Garrett Wilson over Keenan Allen in the league. I hate us, Heath. I hate both of us. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I was excited've I was I was excited for Kenan Allen today And he's the number two wide receiver in fantasy right now By the way to the guy who dropped him in the podcast league last week

So Jamie could pick him up and play him against me this week. Thank you so much Brian Thomas jr. 3 James Williams 20. I didn't win yet Debo Samuel and a Lama days a kiosk Does he matter? I mean, they're receiving cores, not exactly the healthiest right now. And James Cratter caught two touchdowns, Zaccheaus got two touchdowns. You know, the way Jay and Dan is playing right now and they get the Falcons next week. Oh, revenge game. Yes.

But no, I don't think anyone's gonna trust the kiosk top tight ends this week wasn't trading with pride good grief it was not wasn't Travis Kelsey it was probably right Brock Bowers Chico Conquo George Kittle Dalton Schultz, David Najoku and Sam Laporta tied with David Najoku. Only one, only two of those top five, well, top six, but two of them are tied for five, caught a touchdown. This is PPR scoring.

All next summer, I'm wearing a very thick rubber band and I'm just gonna snap myself every time I think about saying Titan might be good this year. What a disaster. But Jamie, I asked Heath this and he didn't seem so interested. Uh, with Tankdale out, are you going to be interested in Dalton Schultz against the Ravens this week? It's now two of his last three. Wait, so 13 they played 14. They're on a buy 15,

not so great. And this is 16. So two of his last four games, he's been good. Also two of his last 16. I mean, well, okay, now here, here are his fantasy points in his last six games, 9.6 8.3 4 17.1 3.3 and like 15 this week. So that is 8.3 or more PPR fantasy points for Dalton Schultz

In four of his last six games in three of his last five games now. He has how many targets did he have? Seven they have at least seven in this game How many targets did he have? Seven they have at least seven in this game He had yeah, he had eight so seven or more targets and three of his last four or five games and no thank no So basically he's in that stretch. He's outscored Travis Kelsey, I think Yeah, yeah, and oh, yeah. I mean I

Look you're going back to Big Bride If you advance, you're not getting cute there. It's the people that like starting Pat Friar, Moose and Jake Ferguson, who knows how this game will finish and you know, have to replace K. Dot and like, they're going to people that need Dalton Schultz. So yes, it's not, it's not, oh my God, I'm excited to start Dalton Schultz. It's, oh my God, I need to start Dalton Schultz. Like we just told everybody to go pick up and start Brent Strange. Well, what I said on express was I would, if I have to make that choice, I need to start Dalton Schultz. Like we just told everybody to go pick up and start Brent Strange.

What I said on express was I would, if I have to make that choice, I'm choosing chig against Jacksonville over Schultz against the Ravens. Agreed. A hundred percent. I don't know if I agree with that. I just like Chico Conkles had two good games. I know they're his most recent. Dalton Schultz. Not really.

He's had probably four. I would say that ceiling is higher for Chig. The floor is safer for Schultz. I would take the chance on the guy that's had 21 targets in his last two games. But we're completely, I don't think you guys are, are factoring in the Tank Dell thing. Like this is going to be the first time that he's playing with only Nikolov. I don't think you're factoring in Mason Rudolph just to go over quarterback the last two games and Chigokankel's blown up. These are not the first games for Mason Rudolph. He had three games early in the year and chick did nothing.

And in those games, I believe one of those Hopkins might have still been on team. I have no idea. Also, like nothing may be unfair considering you're counting eight point games as good games for Dalton Schultz. No tank down. All right. All right. All right. We're going to take a break.

Come back and talk about the games. We go to Saturday's games. Remember them after this on fantasy football today, by the way, if you lost today and you're out, you don't have any teams left and you're still watching right now, let me know in the chat. I just want to know how many of you are just here for fun. Cause that's really cool. I think a lot of people would not even want to talk about fantasy football if they had been eliminated. So let me know. I'm curious. All right. Baltimore

national star with the chiefs, chiefs 27 Texans 19. And yeah, really nice game for, uh, for Patrick Mahomes. But what we saw from Joe Mixon, 8.1 PPR fantasy points against the best run defense in football. Now he gets the Ravens in the fantasy championship. Are you guys gonna be scared off of Joe Mixon now? 14 carries, 57 yards, one catch, 14 yards. First off, kudos to you. You said he was potentially at a bad game

and you questioned us on our rankings of him. He's now fallen into RB2 range. I mean, it's, he should benefit with Dell not being there with a couple additional catches and, you know, Stroud getting the ball out quick and the Ravens have struggled pass catching running backs over the course of the season. So he's not a sit, but I don't think you should anticipate him being a league winner for you based on what's happened the last couple of games. Offensive lines let him down. They haven't been running the ball very well. Like this is a, this is a team you got to worry about in the playoffs, you games, offensive lines, let them down. They haven't been running the ball very well. Like this is a, this is a team you gotta worry about in the playoffs, you know?

So your conversation with BMAC earlier, you know, about who do you want to face? Like everybody wants to face the Texans right now, just based on how poorly they look. And that's a big difference. I'm gonna start mixing. Yeah, well, that's the big difference between the Chiefs and the Ravens.

The Chiefs give up the fewest receiving yards to running backs, the Ravens the fourth most. So that's, you know, that helps. We just saw the Steelers running backs had six for 60 and a touchdown on it through the air against them. Yeah. I don't know where the targets were in this game. I mean, like I was, I guess, quote unquote, right about mixing for being nervous.

I still started him in two leagues and have any choice, but he didn't really play that poorly. Right? Like he looked pretty good. They're, they're struggling to run the ball. And so he's just not getting anything easy right now. And that's the problem, you know, so and Month ago, maybe I don't know what point you know, he was he was in conversation to be one of the best running backs of the season, you know, he was he was up there with you know behind them, but you know behind Barkley and He was he was up there with you know behind them, but you know behind Barkley and

Henry and and and those guys and he's just slipped lately and so part of that's been I think he's played her a little bit You know got banged up in the Dolphins game You're not again, you're not sitting him unless you're just in a very good situation so ten team leagues you might be able to Twelve team leagues. It's almost impossible to sit somebody like Tomyx. All right another question for this game How do you guys feel about Dalton Schultz now with tanked it now? Let's go to the Chiefs 12 team leagues, it's almost impossible to say some highlight. Tomas. All right. Another question for this game. How do you guys feel about Dalton Schultz now with tanked it? No, let's go to the chiefs. Can't really trust the running back here. Unfortunately, it's funny that like we spent the whole time that a Pacheco was hurt, you

trashing for cream hunt for being such a bad running back. And now he's actually better than Isaiah Pacheco. Um, I guys, I'm probably going to rank on tire next week. I did already. Yeah. Um, and then we've got, uh, the receiving core. I mean, Xavier Worley is coming on strong here. Marquis Brown barely played and got eight targets.

Who's trusting a chiefs receiver next week and who's trusting Travis Kelsey next week. Again, I'm not benching Travis Kelsey for Dalton Schultz. So if you have or Oconco, I just don't think I could do that. I'm sure he's probably filled in the same way. There's that he looks old. I mean, he really does. I okay. Wait, wait, wait.

I'm talking about, are we worried about old man Kelsey playing his third game in like 10 days or whatever it is? He's not been good in the first two. So yes, we're worried about him. We're still starting him. It sucks. I, this is a good time to tell people. Like, I think it was smart.

If people change their waiver wire nights to Wednesday night, you got to go fix that for this week, like waivers are gotta go for before the Christmas. Oh yeah. Yeah. Holy cow. Um, gosh, go change waivers. If your waivers run on Wednesday and cause like you're talking about this game that's next week and it's closer to us than the Thursday night game from last week.

Somebody remind me tomorrow, please. Cause all my links were on Wednesday. Um, I think Xavier worthy has been fantastic for like three weeks now and feels like he's the safest of the group but marquis brown is definitely worth picking up and so if you're stuck i don't know how many people are going to want to start him but if you're stuck like yeah super low a dot for marquis brown just kind of a short area target but a bunch of catches all right that's enough of that game this is let me say dros hopkins let me say what's going to happen in Jamie's leagues. OK, he's going to change it to Tuesday.

And that's the end of the season. He's going to forget that he changes to the next year. Week one, he's going to forget to do his waivers because he's going to think they're all he's going to have to put his own waiver claims. He's going to think I got to Wednesday night. No problem. They're all gonna run on Tuesday Will not happen. Mr. Donald Mooney All right, Baltimore 34 Pittsburgh 27 if I do I'll tell everybody unlike you who just decided on a whim I'm just gonna run waivers today

No, that's not what happened. I don't know exactly what happened, but it wasn't oh, yeah, you don't know what happened Just miraculously. All right anything to say about I think this all season you should give me Donald Mooney Ravens and Steelers They ours is good back. Yeah, they did flowers was good hundred yards for him. Yeah flowers was good I wonder what they do with their second running back. Is the pass catcher running back? Because I'd be surprised if just just a cell after that nasty hit that he took is able to play. So is it Ali? Is it going to be Keaton Mitchell? Is it going to be just more Derek Henry? Doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah. all right. And then, uh,

Mark Andrews caught a touchdown for the first time against Pittsburgh. And for the first time ever, he has a touchdown in four straight games. Nice job, Mark Andrews Rams, 19 jets, nine. What is your confidence level in Breeze hall? 14 carries for 52 yards, five catches for 38 yards against the bills next week. So I said, um, earlier this week that I would cut had to decide between Breece Hall and Devontae Smith and Keenan Allen this week in a league. And I think now next week I have to start decide between Garrett Wilson and Keenan Allen

and Jordan Addison because my Breece Hall faith is higher than my Garrett Wilson faith. Okay. Is it higher than your Keenan Allen faith? I don't know who they're playing. They are playing San Francisco. No, no, no. That's Detroit. Oh, one of the Seattle. Seattle. Yeah.

We'll see what the starting Kenan Allen over those guys Okay, I think in terms of Brice Hall Almost like a similar range of Joe mix and like he's just a number two running back at this point This offense just doesn't produce a lot of rushing yards right now Remember he struggled against Jacksonville. You got lucky with the touchdown. Thank God. He was involved in the passing game today Right. I get it's a huge deal Compared to the prior weeks was that he had 14 of 19 running back rush attempts

So like the clear running back rusher and he had six of seven running back targets So the clear guy they're using the passing game as well. So Isaiah Davis play. Yeah, he has three carries. And all right, we talked about Gary Wilson, I can't imagine we're gonna be picking up Tyler Higby. Tyler Conklin though has got five or more targets in three straight games, but no, we're not gonna be picking them up. Detroit 34, Chicago 17, great game for Jared Goff. Jameer Gibbs was great as we expected. Yeah, just terrific game for Jared Goff. Jameera Gibbs was great as we expected.

Yeah, just terrific game for the 49ers. And then Jamie, good call on Caleb Williams. You liked him a lot. I think you had him in your top 10. I did. Scored 26 points and he gets Seattle next week. And got a first half touchdown, no less. Yeah.

So with the way Keenan Allen's playing right now, DJ Moore was solid. Colcomette, you know, whatever score touched. I just think Caleb Williams, you kind of know what you're getting. Like he's going to give you some Garberstein production. He's going to run around a little bit. You know, he's not safe, but this was a good matchup. I don't think Detroit's defense is good right now, clearly.

So I'm not going to be as excited about him this week that I was, next week that I was this week, but I'll still consider him a starter. Doesn't like, can't you just kind of put Kyler and Caleb and Anthony Richardson in a hat and like one of them is probably going to be awesome each week and one of them is going to be terrible. This week they were all good. Um, but they're all kind of the same guy.

It feels like this week they all are good matchups though. Yeah. It feels like this would be all a good matchup. So yeah And I was told today that Caleb Williams leads all rookie quarterbacks and passing yards I believe is that surprising I? Think I think he's ahead of it might not be it's very close. They're all pretty close to each other Um, Deandre Swift with a bad game. Sam Laporte scored his first touchdown outside. He's one for seven. Yeah. So Swift next week against Seattle. Yay or nay? No. Nay, if possible. Like Mixon still better. Breezefall still better. He's better than Patrick Taylor. He's better than, um, who else have we talked about? Well, he's better than like madison and abdullah but maybe

not they get the same i can't madison i can't deal with he stinks and abdullah is so much better what's that he gets the saints oh all right uh colt's 38 titan 30. Faith in Calvin Ridley. Three catches, 78 yards and a touchdown. Got most of it on one play, only five targets. And he'll get the Jaguars next week. He already had this revenge game once and he stunk, but that was with Levis. So I think you just consider him a number three receiver.

Yep. So what does anybody have anything else to say about Tajay Spears slash Tony Pollard? I have something in my eye. He didn't even have a good day as a rusher Spears. He just scored the two touchdowns. I think if you think the Titans are going to get blown out, then Spears has a chance to have a good day.

But if you think it's going to be competitive, then Pollard does. It's almost like, uh, I don't want to say it's a poor man's version. It's just a similar version of the Steelers. Like, yeah, Pollard and Naji are similar. Porn and Spears are similar. You know, If you had, um, if you had Tony Pollard and Josh Downs next week, Pollard against Jacksonville Downs at the Giants, who you start? Probably Pollard and Josh Downs next week. Pollard against Jacksonville, Downs at the Giants. Who do you start? Probably Pollard.

All right, you did get a touchdown from Josh Downs today. So nice work, Josh Downs. Three catches, 61 yards and a touchdown on four targets. Cincinnati 24, Cleveland. And again, just to go back to this, if Pollard is out, because he's probably not gonna practice again. Spears is a top 15 running back. I'd start him over Mixon and Breeze Hall.

All right, now Jerome Ford was an easier call this week because he had the Bengals and they are so bad. But he gets the Dolphins in week 17. What are you thinking about Jerome Ford? I will still start him as a number two running back, but I will start him. I will rank him lower than I did this week, but higher than Deandre Swift. Yes. Five catches.

Very nice for Jerome Ford as well. And that's, I think, a staple because DTR will throw it to him. Yes. The average is right around four catches per game in three games with Dorian Thompson Robinson last year. And David Njoku, eight for 66 on 10 targets. It's basically he just throws in a joke and, and drum for, and it's kind of like what he did last year. Uh, all right for the bangles, they are the bangles.

We know exactly what to do with them, but I, uh, chase versus certain next week. I know I'm not going to ask you to start or sit or anything, but it's cool It's cool to see that the best receiver in football this year against the best cornerback, right? I wonder if he'll travel in the slot with him when chase goes in there and Or does they just stick him on Higgins? When he's in the slot, you mean when chase is in the slot? Yeah Yeah Yeah, it's it's a good question. I thought about that based on history.

You'll probably follow him in the slot sometimes. Carolina 36, Arizona 30. That's the game of the week, right? Broncos? No Eagles. I think. Oh, oh, oh, oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were calling Carolina, Arizona, the game of this current week.

No, no, no. Broncos, Bengals week. 17. I think for last week you had the Dolphins 49 this week. We had the Dolphins 49. I changed it. I changed it to latrine. Uh, Carolina 36. Jamie, you get that one? No. I changed it. I changed it to latrine.

Carolina 36. Jamie, you get that one? No. That's Robin Hood men in tights. Oh, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't change it to the tree. Yeah, then I can't say the rest of the word. It's a good change.

Anyway, Kyler, what am I supposed to make of Kyler and Marvin Harrison right now? I know, again, Kyler 22 points, but what on earth? And they got the Rams next week. Marvin Harrison, too, like back to back drops on one drive. Like he's he's struggling. He's going to be an interesting one to rank next year because they don't do him a lot of favors with how they line him up and no, not not a lot of motion. And they don't give him some easy throws Kyler

misses easy throws it's gonna be a tough one like you wonder if we were redrafting rookie draft right now is he is he the fourth receiver behind the conkey behind my cocky Thomas and neighbor. Yeah. He's not going to be higher than third for most people, but no worth worth. Would be. Thomas is one. So here's the thing about that.

All right. We talked about it on beyond the box score. There's a very simple comparison for Malik neighbors and Brian Thomas Jr. Right? Like they were on the same team last year at LSU and neighbors was much better. So Thomas was a baby though. Like he's just getting better. I still feel like neighbors.

I don't think you're wrong to take Thomas over him, but I don't think it's a certain. It's an easy call by any means. Who's who's going to be thrown in neighbors next year. Cam ward is going to be thrown in neighbors. Is that what you want ward over Sanders? What ward over Sanders? Do I, I don't know. I don't know. You're a homer. Apparently the Giants want Ward over Sanders based on some early reports.

But uh, ooh, nice guy. Yeah, you want to trust Joe Shane right now. It's not. I don't know if it's gonna be okay. Chuba with the big game. Thielen. That was a nice bounce back for Adam Thielen guys. Yep. Yeah, it's this is a weird show. I'm not gonna lie. This is a weird show I mean we can't sit here and talk about rest of season value and stuff like that I don't want to just do a star sit episode. So It's been great Do a nice job I'm gonna ask you this we're gonna change it up a little bit Washington 36, Philadelphia 33. What's surprising?

I asked you what surprised you about each game? What surprised you about this commander's Eagles game? There's really not much you could say, I think, with the Eagles because they lose Jalen Hertz early in that game. So I think it was first of all, Marshawn Latimore. What happened to him? I mean, AJ Brown was beating him all over the field and he was just grabbing and passing interference on almost every play. It was terrible. AJ Brown is just a stud. Devante Smith, huge drop.

That was bad. But yeah, look, you come back next week. If Hertz plays, you're right back to the same guys. And if Hertz doesn't play I think it's just AJ Brown you can't start to Monty Smith so I think what surprised me was probably a lot of it is a key a score in 24 fantasy points what surprised me was how how bad Bryan Robinson was let's we got to talk about that he scored one point he had two fumbles uh he's limping to the finish line as a fantasy

yeah mcnickels was in in the end quite a bit yeah it was bad for him how much fun is jay dan's gonna be next year oh man he's gonna be awesome just like cj stroud and anthony richardson just stop uh all right uh next game apologize Apologize for that one. You should have said just like Daniel Jones. Why? Remember how good he was as a rookie? Not this good. All right.

Atlanta 34 Giants 7. What surprised you in this game? Panics was not great. Giants were great for the opposing defense. I, I did, there's going to be a fun one next week. I picked up the Colts in a bunch of leagues, you know, with the hope of advancing and like, I'm going to start them, but you know, they gave up 30 points to face. I mean, I was surprised that drew lockke threw three touchdown passes and Michael Pennex threw zero.

It took me a second there. Well, what do you think about London and Mooney with Pennex? Yes, there we go. Yeah, start of the week, baby. I think Mooney did great. Yeah, Mooney was good. And yeah, look, Panics wasn't great, but I guess he was good enough. I threw 27. It's hard to critique. Yeah, they got one of the big games next week.

They got Washington on Sunday night. Huge, huge game. And are we going to be starting Darnell Mooney or like, would you start Mooney or Malik neighbors? Neighbors against the Colts. I probably still go back to neighbors, but yeah, neighbors for sure. Neighbors has been awful other than garbage time. What are you talking about? Other than garbage time, other than garbage time. Okay. I see Okay. Does he had like 13 or 14 point game? Didn't he?

Yeah. Yeah. 13.1 start wide receiver. That does not make you a must start wide receiver. Sure. It does. It's like his ceiling. When that's your bad week, but that's his every week, except for last week.

Also like he, I was expecting a huge game today against Fox. Yeah. Right. I mean, it's like every week is an amazing matchup and every week he scores 14 points. Great stuff Malik. It's nice to have a little bit of stability in your lineup. Yeah. Kyle Pitts threw an interception today. Basically Las Vegas 19 Jacksonville 14. How did the Raiders win this game? It just makes me so mad to watch this happen.

Like if I'm, if I'm Tom Brady, I would have called everybody and fired them right now. What's the difference? They're going to get Shudder at two. Then they're, then they got lucky that the Giants made a stupid mistake. Or they're both stupid because neither of these quarterbacks should be taken with a top two pick. I don't think the Raiders have the second pick right now. Oh, yeah, they fell by Jacksonville. Oh, well, okay. Jacksonville is not taking a quarterback. No, but see, this is what, what they fell by Jacksonville. Oh, okay. Jacksonville is not taking a quarterback. No, but see, this is what's actually smart by Jacksonville. They lose the game. And then now

they can force the Raiders to trade up. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They totally took the Raiders there. All right. Let's talk about the Raiders running backs to the more popular waiver wire player plays here. And you had Amir Abdullah, seven carries 38 yards in a touchdown, five catches 47 yards. Alexander Madison 12 carries 27 yards in a touchdown, four catches 29 yards. It kind of felt to me like Abdullah started to take over the, you know, as the lead guy as the game went on because Madison was just so bad. I don't know if that's true.

It's just as I was watching it sort of felt that way. They are at New Orleans next week, which running back would you prefer? I'm going to go back to what I said at the start of the week, which is what I should have stuck with is that Abdul is better in PPR and Madison and non because I mean, Abdul scoring touchdowns, he catches touchdowns. I think this is, you know, fluky to expect him to rush for scores when Madison's healthy. So Non PPR I'll start Madison full PPR. I'll go back to Abdullah I'll probably still have Madison just ahead of him, but they're both between RB 25 and RB 30 likely What about half PPR Jamie?

Happy be our web Anything or exceptions count I'll go What surprised you in this game Adam? I forgot to ask you guys I was surprised that Jacobi Myers had such a bad game. Two catches, 41 yards on five targets. That's disappointing. He struggled a little bit the last two weeks. Well, last week was Ritter though, right?

I mean, he was better with Ritter, but yeah, he struggled in the last two games. Yeah, I was surprised that he struggled. Was not surprised that Brian Thomas Jr. had a great game because he always has a great game. He's so good. But every time you think you can trust the Jaguars running back, you can't. So the ETN out carried by Tank Bigsby, even though Bigsby fumbled. All right, Minnesota 27 Seattle 24 Heath.

What surprised you in this game? DK Metcalf score a touchdown first time since week seven. I was surprised that until Ken Walker got hurt, Zach Charbonneau was basically just a, a, a bench player. Um, like they went freaking out about the captain thing today. He was, they named Charbonneau a captain, sent him out for the coin toss and then send them to the bench until the third quarter. Um, yeah, it was, it was all Ken Walker.

He had eight catches in this game. Tied a career high. And someone's asking is Ken Walker's injury serious? The only thing I can tell you is he limped off the field and then he was declared doubtful to return pretty quickly. So I don't, that's not a good sign. Uh, and we'll obviously we'll see what happens there. So frustrating that it, it took a DK Metcalf injury for them to realize that they needed to get the ball to, to JSN. It's just, it's just crazy. It's been a conversation

in the office, uh, top 10 receivers in NFL, not fantasy. And somebody suggested JSN, like when we were like down to receiver eight, we were at our receiver eight, like he's coming to that range. Like, he's good. He's really good. And we had a debate in the office. JSN or Jordan Addison, who would rather not in fantasy, who'd rather have Jason. Dynasty, I had them coming into the week at wide receiver 13 and wide receiver 14. Addison one spot higher. Probably lean towards Addison, but they're both great.

And anything else in this game? See? No, I don't think so. Justin Jefferson. It will be a league winner again if he starts like bears next week. My God. Buffalo 24 to England 21. Jamie, what surprised you in this game? Josh Allen sucked. Yeah.

A lot surprised us. You're by the way. Kudos to you. Ravens win the division. Lamar Jackson may have gotten the MVP today. Yeah. Well, and I but I switched to Allen, but now I'm back to, now I'm back to Jackson. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. I had been, I had been on Jackson and then I switched off of him because he had played

pretty poorly against the Steelers and the Eagles. And I was like, look, if you're going to play your worst football, again, your toughest matchups, then you shouldn't win the MVP if it's close. But then he just went out and beat the Steelers and the Eagles. And I was like, look, if you're gonna play your worst football, again, your toughest matchups, then you shouldn't win the MVP if it's close. But then he just went out and beat the Steelers. That's what he needed to do. He needed to beat the Steelers. Allen goes out and has a bad game.

I'm back on Jackson now. What are the odds? Do we have updated MVP odds? I'm sure we do. Yeah, I can't show you those. They had to win, they have to win a division though. They don't have, who cares? They need the Chiefs to beat the Steelers.

No, they have to win it. You can't, you can't. They don't have to.. No, you can't win. Yeah, you can't win the MVP. What is this rule? It's a rule. It's not a rule. It's just everybody knows. You know people vote for this, right? It's not like. Yeah, so I want your MVP. I want your MVP. I don't want the 75 year old stuffy sports writer who goes, well, you have to win your division to win the MVP. Why you call the guy by his name? have to win your division to win the MVP. I'm not talking about anybody. So they do not currently where I'm looking, but Mr. Popinski says it's Alan at minus 600, Lamar at plus 425. I will tell you, I happened to stumble upon the NFL draft odds and Chidora Sanders is minus 125 right now. odds and Sridhar Sanders is minus 125 right now. So that's nothing. Maybe, maybe he'll be a giant.

God, I hope not. Okay. Week four, Dion's complaining about the play calling week seven Dion's the new head coach. The cool thing about it though is they'll keep Dave Bowen chain. If they draft Sanders, giants will suck. And then Dion will be your coach in 2026. But that's but then Arch Manning is gonna be their quarterback. No Alright hunter Henry caught a touchdown. That was nice. He doesn't do that

That was at the very end of the game or close to it And just we need a bounce back week for the for the Bills offense next week other than James Cook and finally Miami 29 San Francisco 17 Heath what surprised you in this game Dolphins Niners. I was surprised. I mean, there was lots of things. We've already talked about them though. How bad Patrick Taylor was, how good Debo Samuel was. Um, but you know, we haven't talked about this yet and he scored a touchdown. So he kind of saved his day.

I mean, Tyree kill might've dropped 20 fantasy points in this game. Literally, um, balls going between his hands over and over Scott, three of seven targets for 29 yards. Wolf. Oh yeah. He did have a, uh, touchdown that chivalrous ward tipped away at the last second, which was great play by him. He had another one between, between his hands.

He just didn't even see it. Yeah. That was the, like the kind of deep route on the, up the left sideline. That was one of the best throws I've seen to a make in a long time because he doesn't, he doesn't do that. He doesn't throw deep and he threw a pretty deep to Tyreek. It was gorgeous right in the end zone. And I definitely did not act appropriately in the office when he dropped that ball.

You gave us reenactment. No, that's okay. But it's fine. Everybody's doing the bad words. Everyone's doing that around. I just, I think I like slam my fist on the couch and I said a word that I shouldn't have said. Keith, I'm going to give you receivers.

You tell me Tyreek or this receiver next year. Next year. Brian Thomas Jr. or Tyreek or this receiver next year. Next year. I'm in your Tyree kill Thomas. Uh, I don't think what he's, what a game. Tyree kill. Uh, who'd you say? I'm sorry. Jackson Smith. And the Jigba. J S N Jerry Judy with a quarterback Tyrekel. All right Okay What'd you say there'll be 31 I'll be taking a lot of Tyrekel next year Oh at the right price, of course late round two No

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