Fantasy Football Today - Week 18 Winners, 2021 Award Nominations! (01/10 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: January 10, 2022

We'll be nominating players for six different awards later in the show. First, we react to an amazing finish to what was a great 2021 football season. We give our initial thoughts on the NFL playoffs... including which teams could pull off the upset this weekend. Then we'll get into the biggest winners of Week 18 (6:45) including Mike Evans and Josh Jacobs and discuss CeeDee Lamb's slump (9:15) ... News and notes (12:50) and more Week 18 thoughts. How are we feeling about Amon-Ra St. Brown and Rashaad Penny right now (16:00)? Is Deebo Samuel a Top 10 PPR WR next season (25:10)? ... It's Awards time! Our nominations for Fantasy MVP (31:10), Biggest Bust (34:10), Rookie of the Year (40:00), Best Waiver Wire Add (43:10), Worst Waiver Wire Add (46:00) and One-Week Wonder of the Year (48:00). You'll get to vote on these this week! ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:21 Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck. Offseason podcasts start right now. Welcome everybody to Fantasy Football Today on this Monday. Where coaches are getting fired left and right. Adam Azer, Dave Richard, Jamie Eisenberg. If you're watching on YouTube, please hit subscribe and like.
Starting point is 00:01:44 If you're listening, please leave us a nice review. Wow, what a finish a nice review. Wow. What a finish to the season. That was incredible. Imagine being a Pittsburgh Steelers fan last night. Heart pounding, heart stopping stuff, Dave Richard. Good way to finish the 2021 season. I mean, we all love the drama.
Starting point is 00:02:01 So just the drama of it all and the excitement of it all, I think it came to play. And when they hit overtime, when that game went overtime, I was thinking to myself, that's it. Sealers are out. They're just going to, you know, these two teams aren't going to mess around at this point, but one team messed around a little bit more than the other. And Jamie, I thought it was poetically sad that the Chargers Achilles heel all year is their run defense. All they had to do was stop Josh Jacobs a couple times at the end. They let him get too close and they are out.
Starting point is 00:02:35 And I think a lot of AFC teams probably breathing a sigh of relief. I don't know. You tell me, but I feel like the fan bases at least would rather see the Steelers and the Raiders in there than the Chargers. The fan bases of the rest of the teams in the AFC. Yes. A hundred percent. I mean, the last thing you want to do is see Justin Herbert. Clearly he's a, he's so talented and, uh, unfortunately handcuffed by his coach and some of the stupid, stupid moves that his coach makes. Um, but, uh, yeah, no, I mean, look, the Steelers can, um, can easily, uh,
Starting point is 00:03:05 it should be the easiest opponent in the AFC. You know, wouldn't be surprised just given some of the pieces that they have. You know, Mike Tomlin's clearly a great coach. They have the defensive player of the year. So TJ Watt can wreck a game by himself. And who knows what Roethlisberger has left, if anything, to maybe, you know,
Starting point is 00:03:22 pull one more, you know, magical run. But the interesting thing about this for the Chiefs is that are they healthy? You know, if Kelsey Hill and their running backs are banged up, it could be a little bit closer game than people think. Yeah, they definitely didn't want to see the Chargers all right so what's your read all right here's my basic read on the uh on the playoffs afc snooze fest nfc anything could happen nfc 10 times more interesting than the afc you think the afc is a snooze fest why you think it's gonna be chief bills i think round i think round one at least feels like a snooze fest to me oh round one yes round one is probably all the favorites one yes i mean i am interested to see bill belichick locking up with the with the bills Round one, at least, feels like a snooze fest to me. Oh, round one, yes. Round one is probably all the favorites win. I mean, I am interested to see Bill Belichick locking up with the Bills for a third time.
Starting point is 00:04:10 They can't play on the road. Yeah, they're not that good. Kudos to them. Had a great season. I think they overachieved. But the Bills are so much better, right? I think anyway. Yes, Bills are better.
Starting point is 00:04:20 I mean, the Bills haven't played well, though. I know. It wouldn't surprise me if the Patriots gave them a game. Came down to the end. Especially if the weather's bad. We've already seen that. Could see it again. You never know.
Starting point is 00:04:32 Yeah. Yeah. But I have really no interest in Bengals. I'm going to watch every second. But Bengals, whatever. Bengals, Raiders. We just saw Steelers Chiefs. You're right about the injuries that can make.
Starting point is 00:04:42 But I don't know. I mean, is there one game in the NFC where you feel very confident in picking a winner of the game? The Bucs are still beat up right now. Obviously, Brady, I think they're 7-1 at home this year. The one thing that you worry about for the Eagles is that the strength of their team is the strength of the Bucs defense when they're right. You know, so they're running offense versus the Bucs rush defense.
Starting point is 00:05:10 You know, how much will they have success in that regard? I think Jalen Hurts has a mix of plays and that could maybe sway things for the Eagles. But obviously, Tampa's so beat up. The Cowboys 49ers is going to be a great game. I mean, those two teams right now in Dallas, that's the best game on the slate. But Rams Cardinals, they're both playing so bad at this point. It's just a matter of, like, who's going to play worse. I mean, I don't trust the Cardinals right now.
Starting point is 00:05:33 I think the Rams won that one easy. I do too, actually. You know, yeah, I agree. I think, all right, the Cardinals have no mojo right now. Unless J.J. Watt comes back, comes back, maybe that does something for their defense. But just right now, that was an embarrassing loss yesterday. It was terrible. Do you think that they dial it back?
Starting point is 00:05:54 Do you think they go conservative and just try and hope that the Cardinals make too many mistakes? I mean, I would have thought that yesterday, too. They were up 17-0 over the 49ers. Then they started making mistakes of their own. It was almost like they were too conservative on offense. Yeah. For the Rams?
Starting point is 00:06:13 Yeah. Well, the 49ers run defense is no joke. The Cardinals is not nearly as good. One of these two teams met recently, Monday night, December 13th, and the Rams won 30-23, and DeAndre Hopkins was playing in that game. A.J. Green had 102 yards. Yeah, so, all right, I'm looking forward to it. Looking forward to the playoffs getting started.
Starting point is 00:06:34 This is a fantasy football podcast, though. We have three episodes this week, and later the week, we'll kind of break down the games a little bit, give you some DFS advice, those types of things. We'll give you winners and losers from Week 18. Look, Week 18 had a lot of great fantasy storylines.
Starting point is 00:06:47 I really want to talk about Amonra St. Brown and Rashad Penny and see how you guys feel about them going in. I want to know if you have Debo Samuel as a
Starting point is 00:06:54 top 10 or a top 12 PPR wide receiver. It's kind of a silly question to ask considering he's number three in PPR this year, but in such a crazy, is it, is it, I won't
Starting point is 00:07:04 even call it unsustainable with him, but such a crazy, unusual way in which he went about getting his fantasy points. Amazing season for Debo through a touchdown in week 18. Also, we'll talk about the coaches who got fired a little bit. I might save that for tomorrow. And today is an award show. It's the nomination process. Here are the awards we're going to be figuring out our nominees. And you, the listeners, the viewers, are going to be able to vote on it. I'll tell you more about that later. But Fantasy MVP,
Starting point is 00:07:30 Fantasy's Biggest Bust, Rookie of the Year, Best Waver Wire Pickup, Worst Waver Wire Pickup. Those are really fun. And the One Game Wonder of the Season. Is it Mike White, perhaps? So there are going to be some oh yeah, I forgot about that moments today.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Dave, why don't you give me the biggest week 18 winner from a fantasy standpoint? No? I'm not sure if I can pick one from a fantasy standpoint. I wonder if we maybe need to give a little bit more love to Josh Jacobs. I know that the Raiders won, and I know is a,
Starting point is 00:08:05 you know, crazy game that went into overtime and all that. But I know that he did not make my initial, I don't think he made my initial top 24 overall for 2022. I don't know. You changed it a few times. I've changed it. Well,
Starting point is 00:08:18 the first time I did it, I threw it together. It was really a poor effort on my part. And then the second time I did it, I think i did a better job with it but i don't have it in front of me right now i don't remember and um i'm tired so i don't know exactly where it is i'm going to open up the document and i'll tell you but i think that jacobs is someone that maybe shouldn't be forgotten about and could end up being a decent
Starting point is 00:08:41 value if he continues over are we having some connection issues jamie could end up being a decent value if he continues over. Are we having some connection issues, Jamie? Yeah. With Dave? Yeah. A little bit, kind of cutting in and out. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:55 All right, Jacobs. So, yeah, he finishes strong, and 26 carries, 132 yards, and a touchdown. And two weeks ago against the Broncos, I guess three games ago, 27 carries for 132 yards and a touchdown. And two weeks ago against the Broncos, I guess three games ago, 27 carries for 129 yards. So it's 129 yards or a touchdown in three straight games. Jamie, did he crack your top 24? No, but he'll be right near it.
Starting point is 00:09:18 And some of it depends. I have Javante Williams in the top 24. We'll see what happens there with quarterback and additional runner added potentially but i mean that round three around four range is going to be pretty nice you know depending on how things shake out with guys like debo samuel and josh jacobs and whatnot all right jamie how about a big loser from week 18 i was gonna give you another winner just uh quickly uh when day froze so mike evans um know, this could be the type of performance we're looking at from him. Maybe not two touchdowns, but 689 and one.
Starting point is 00:09:50 If they don't bring back Godwin or Godwin's not ready to go. And this is, you know, a Gronk, Evans, and then just a bunch of guys offense next year. So, you know, this is it was encouraging, I think, for Mike Evans to have this type of performance without the additional guys around him. A week 18 loser. Can I give one and you can react here? Yeah, I was trying to think of who struggled that mattered. CeeDee Lamb. I want to make sure we talk about him.
Starting point is 00:10:17 He really went to the finish, didn't he? Sure did. His last six games, and all since returning from an injury, haven't read anything, haven't seen any that uses an excuse. Maybe it's coincidence. Last six games, 29 catches returning from an injury. Haven't read anything. I haven't seen any that uses an excuse. Maybe it's coincidence. Last six games, 29 catches, 362 yards, no touchdowns on 43
Starting point is 00:10:31 targets. So if per 16 games that would be 77 catches for 965 yards on 115 targets. But the first game of that stretch was good against New Orleans and the last five has been 65 or fewer yards and no touchdowns, Jamie. So I'll just go ahead and nominate Lamb as the last five. It's been 65 or fewer yards and no touchdowns, Jamie. So I'll just go ahead and nominate Lamb as the loser here.
Starting point is 00:10:51 And, you know, I think we all want to be excited about him going forward. Has he done enough to warrant a top 12 selection as a wide receiver? No, probably not. You know, and I think, you know, you brought this up. I was thinking the same thing, that with Gallup out, does he play more outside and does that help him? And seemed as if they they uh didn't necessarily you know move him very much um with cedric wilson so he was outside almost the entire game and it didn't help i'm sorry it didn't help him with with gallop not there um you're right wilson played more inside um i i i don't know i don't know what to make of it you know i i want to see what happens as offseason
Starting point is 00:11:23 what they do um to add to their receiving core. I think it'll actually end up probably being a good buy now because they'll probably fall a little bit based on where the expectations were. But I mean, kudos to Dak. You know, he's used guys. You know, he's made Schultz a thing. He's made, you know, he's made
Starting point is 00:11:39 use of Wilson. He's made use of Gallup. He's made use of Lamb. He's made use of his running backs. You know, he's really diversified his offense. I want to see what Lamb does in the playoffs. If he limps to the end in the playoffs, too, then I've got some concern. But this is where Dak might go right back to leaning on him as a playmaker.
Starting point is 00:11:58 He might do it with Cooper. I think we'll get an idea of how Dak feels about these receivers in the playoffs. Yeah. The splits with or without Michael Gallup in terms of yards per target, I think we'll get an idea of how Dak feels about these receivers in the playoffs. Yeah. The, the splits with or without Michael Gallup terms of yards per target. I don't remember where I went mentioned this, but it was on one of the shows.
Starting point is 00:12:11 It was like two and a half more yards per target for, for Cooper or for lamb rather with him without Gallup, which is probably just playing inside versus playing outside. We'd have to get those, those splits, which we can do. And his yards per target were really good. He had like 40 yards,
Starting point is 00:12:27 43 yards, something on two targets. But, you know, that's not going to really make much of an impact in fantasy. Okay. How about this?
Starting point is 00:12:36 Debo Samuel or CeeDee Lamb next season, PPR? Debo. I think it's Debo. Okay. More on him in a moment. You can vote on the award winners in our Facebook group, on Twitter, and in our YouTube community lab. So we're going to give you these six, I think, categories.
Starting point is 00:12:54 We're going to come up with a list of four nominees. We're going to talk it out. And then you can vote. And we're going to announce the winners that you vote on next week. But it's always a lot of fun and inspires great debate, especially in our Facebook group. So you can do this on our Facebook group, which is just fantasy football today.
Starting point is 00:13:10 Search for it on Facebook or click the link in the episode description on Twitter and in the YouTube community lab or community tab. I read that wrong. Sorry. Community tab. I don't know much about cooler. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 00:13:23 It did cool lab that you guys can go into and mess with stats and talk with each other and create your own emojis. Yeah, there are beakers and graduated cylinders. Isn't that a thing? Goggles. And if you're listening on Spotify, you can
Starting point is 00:13:39 also leave us a nice five-star review, which would be great. Please do that on Spotify. I'm going to save the coach talk for tomorrow, but Denver fired Vic Fangio, Mike Zimmer out, Matt Nagy out, Brian Flores out. Will Joe Judge be fired by the end of this episode, guys? Another 30 or 40 minutes. I would hope so, for your sake.
Starting point is 00:13:57 Your sanity. Jamie, your guess was what? I mean, he should be. You know, I think teams should QB sneak at their own five-yard line on third down more often. I still don't understand why you're hoping he stays. I don't care anymore. Because we liked him at the end of last year, and we hate him now.
Starting point is 00:14:22 He's the same coach. The team sucks. Nobody can win with Jake Fromm or Mike Lennon. I don't care. It's stop cycling through coaches. Vic Fangio should not have been fired, in my opinion. Can you guarantee me that the Vikings
Starting point is 00:14:35 are going to replace Zimmer with somebody better? Zimmer had a pretty good run there. Brian Flores? At some point, if it's not working, how long do you continue to run with it? mean i i guess i could you know you could say oh it just you know ran its course the thing is is is valid but i think you know part of it also is you know the mindset of what the the front office wants you know so seeing your coach kick when you have a chance you know when you need to score a touchdown and those type of decisions you know, I think that matters. There's also some thought that,
Starting point is 00:15:05 that the GM has a relationship with, with Dan Quinn. So he wants Dan Quinn. There's also the thought of if you get Nathaniel Hackett, you get Aaron Rogers. Dan Quinn is exactly, is exactly why I don't think that you should just necessarily fire Joe judge or any coach.
Starting point is 00:15:22 What makes a coach? That's not necessarily, that's not necessarily about who those guys are as coaches. It's about the relationship those guys have as friends. I understand, but who's a good coach? A lot of times, it's a guy with a good roster. With Dan Quinn,
Starting point is 00:15:35 he was a bad coach a year ago. Now, he's a great defensive coordinator again, so he's going to be a good coach the next time around. It's just a silly process, and it leads to a lot of repeated failure. And so I don't know. That's my whole thing. It's not necessarily the coach's fault.
Starting point is 00:15:54 And I don't know. I'm not there. I'm not in the locker room. But firing the coach is not always the solution. I'm very surprised about the Dolphins. Maybe there's something there. Maybe they want to go after Carmel. Well, that's what you're hearing hearing is that there was a power struggle.
Starting point is 00:16:06 Yeah. Well, all right. Everybody wants power. There's also the, the Michigan tie between Steven Ross and John Harbaugh and Jim Harbaugh. Yeah. John,
Starting point is 00:16:15 Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, Belushi. Really? Yeah. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:16:23 Uh, news and notes. Hey, who's going to win tonight, by the Really? Yeah. Sorry. News and notes. Hey, who's going to win tonight, by the way? Us. Who's us? Us. We're going to get treated to a hell of a game.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Oh. I hope you're right. It didn't happen in the SEC championship game. I think it'll be... I think Alabama pulls it out, but I think Georgia gives them a tough time. All right. News and notes. Taysom Hill left with a foot injury. Najee Harris played through an injury. Cyril Grayson left with a hamstring injury. They're quite depleted there.
Starting point is 00:16:50 Jalen Waddell set the rookie record for receptions. CJ Uzama left with a hip injury. New England left tackle Isaiah Wynn left with an injury. And those are all of the news and notes I have. Jamie mentioned Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelsey got a little dinged up. And Darrell Williams. And Darrell Williams. Yeah Darrell Williams, yeah. Darrell Williams as well.
Starting point is 00:17:06 Chiefs are beat up right now. All right, more Week 18 winners. So can we talk about Amonra St. Brown and Rashad Penny and their finishes? St. Brown, in his last six games, he is the number three wide receiver in non-PPR, number two in PPR. He's top five per game in both formats. He's third in PPR per game. And who's buying in?
Starting point is 00:17:30 Who's buying in as a, you know, I'm going to top top 24. I'll just bring this up again. I know we did it, I think last week, but top 24 in your rankings, Amandra St.
Starting point is 00:17:39 Brown. He's going to be very close. I mean, you know, I liked him following the draft process. I liked him for a long time. I want to see what they do is Jared golf is back. I want to see what they do in terms of adding to this receiving core. They need to have somebody else there just can't be what they, what they currently have. Um, and clearly a lot of this came with TJ Hawkinson
Starting point is 00:17:56 sideline. So, you know, that, that should factor into this also, but he's got the, he's got the potential to be good. You know, I mean, you see what he does, uh, you know, as, as a playmaker for this team, you see what he does in terms of when he's getting featured which which has been the case um so there's a lot to like you know it's just a matter of and i think this is a dilemma a lot of people are going to fall into the the retread guys that you know you're still hoping for you know quality production the name that comes to mind for me is a guy like deandre hopkin because obviously hopkins when he's right is is a much better player, at least should be. But is he still that type of guy? And so the offseason is going to determine, I think, a lot of these questions. But I think for right now, yes,
Starting point is 00:18:32 I would buy into him as a low-end number two receiver. I think I would too. You think about the target volume that he had to end the year, and it seems unsustainable. I don't think he can get double-digit targets every game next year. but what if he catches six or seven balls each week and he averages around 10 12 yards per catch scores i mean i'm not 15 or 16 in that regard what's that he's a top 15 receiver in that regard if he's catching six or seven passes if he's a consistent ppr receiver of getting you between 12 and 18 a week, I'm putting him ahead of DeAndre Hopkins immediately. Hopkins wasn't getting that type of target volume this year.
Starting point is 00:19:14 He was a touchdown-dependent type of a guy. I've got Hopkins right now in my top 20. I think that it's easy to put St. Brown for now in top 20. I don't see the Lions making a huge splash at wide receiver. This is a team that's still going to lean on that identity of their strong offensive line. And St. Brown's just a nice, easy target for Jared Goff, assuming Goff is the guy next year. Yeah, he's probably going to remind a lot of people of Jarvis Landry,
Starting point is 00:19:43 who was probably the most underrated on draft day wide receiver in fantasy every single year. He exceeded his ADP basically from Dan Campbell. This kid is, I mean, he's better than gold. When you're the athlete he is, explosive, but then you're tough and you're competitive. It's just the way you're made up, and he's smart, and those guys are hard to find that are all-encompassing like that. So I'm glad we've got him, and he proved again. The consistency is there. That's for dang sure. But then, how about this one from Jared Goff, which is, you know, it's so interesting because it's the fantasy conundrum. Watching him grow into that role was so cool. Sometimes that's how it happens
Starting point is 00:20:31 and it happens later in the season. And if TJ is healthy and if Cephas is healthy and if Tyrell is healthy the whole year, he probably doesn't get these opportunities. That's how this league goes. And he got those opportunities and clearly made the most of it. He's a special player, a special dude.
Starting point is 00:20:45 Look forward to playing with him for sure. Yeah, interesting stuff. I don't think if all those guys come back and get healthy that they limit what they do with St. Brown. Right. I think he's earned himself a spot playing a lot of snaps for the Lions next year. Right.
Starting point is 00:21:00 The biggest question, though, is he's not getting 11-plus targets a week with those guys. It's going to be like 7, 8, 9. There will be some weeks where it's 5 or 6. Why is 6 afraid of 7, Dave? Come on, now. How about Rashad Penny?
Starting point is 00:21:16 My favorite stat on Rashad Penny. He had 119 carries. 1 out of 10, I guess, really. One out of 10 or 11 went for more than 20 yards. That is insane.
Starting point is 00:21:32 He had 11 carries of 20-plus yards. That is the third most in the NFL behind Jonathan Taylor and Nick Chubb on 119 carries. If you look at the running backs who had 120 or fewer carries, Rashad Penny had 11 big plays, 11 carries of 20 or more yards.
Starting point is 00:21:48 The next best was four by any running back with 120 or fewer carries. That was Rashad Penny and Khalil, and that was Khalil Herbert and Dearness Johnson. So I don't get it, man. Like, he doesn't look like he'd be this explosive running back, but he's doing it every single week.
Starting point is 00:22:04 He just had a 62-yard touchdown run in week 18, a 47-yard touchdown run in week 14. He's a free agent, but a total stud. Yeah, so what are you thinking about? What if he ends up back on the Seahawks? Where do you think you'd rank him? If Seattle stays the same, same coach, same quarterback, and same backfield situation with maybe Chris Carson coming back healthy,
Starting point is 00:22:29 then I think you like it better. I'm going to probably hate him unless he goes to a team that just has a great offensive line in place and a good system because it just feels like somebody would be taking his production from the last five or six games as opposed to the body of work that he's been. Can he stay healthy? Can he thrive in another situation? Is he going to share with somebody else i mean everything kind of fell in line for him this in this stretch of games where they needed him and pete carroll said after the
Starting point is 00:22:51 game last night you know what was the difference in your you know winning streak versus the beginning season he goes we ran the ball and so you know carroll would be committed to it um i i think you know he would be probably the lead guy which is what they hoped for when they drafted him in the first round four years ago. More so than Chris Carson. Even if Carson's 100%. There's just so many variables for him right now to determine. We're going to do draft on Thursday. My guess is he's going to go in the first five rounds because of what the production has been and what the upside still can be.
Starting point is 00:23:20 It feels like he goes someplace else. This is the type of player that ends up being a bust. Dave, thoughts on Penny? He had at least 19 PPR points in four of his last five games. He was unstoppable. This is what the pedigree was when he came out of college. I think that round five range is where people, if he stays in Seattle, if Chris Carson stays in Seattle, look, they're going to have to have somebody ready to go in case he gets hurt. I have a hard time believing that they're going to put it all on Rashad Penny's
Starting point is 00:23:53 plate again without a good 1B running back to work with him. But he's got this explosiveness that can help him put up good fantasy production, even if he's getting fewer carries than what he's been getting over the past few weeks. So I think people would take a chance on him in round five if things stay the way that they are. Does he remind you of last year's David Montgomery, who was incredible down the stretch and had so many easy matchups,
Starting point is 00:24:19 easy matchup after easy matchup after easy matchup, and Penny kind of did too. This explosion started with Houston. Then he stunk against the Rams, 11 carries for 30. He just didn't have a lot of work. 11 carries, 39 yards, 2 for 25 receiving, and got hurt in that game, I think. Then the Bears game.
Starting point is 00:24:37 Then it was the Bears. They're terrible against the run. Then the Lions. They're a great matchup. Then the Cardinals. They're not good against the run either, although they had been coming into this game, and he tore them apart. They had been on a nice stretch.
Starting point is 00:24:48 And then you get from Montgomery, he kind of went back to being this meh kind of runner, but he had a great roll. You're not going to get the passing downs roll from Penny. Do you guys see a comparison there between the two? Yes, in the setup. But again, he may have a different quarterback. He may be on a different team. He may have a different head coach.
Starting point is 00:25:10 There's just so much that's going to change for him potentially. So if everything is the same, then yes, you could see a similar type of David Montgomery decline where it wasn't as great because the matchups weren't as favorable. So yes, for sure. But I do think that, look, he can end up like, what if he goes to Miami and they have a better coach and, and, you know, they have, they have so much money to spend a first round pick, you know, that that's just all invested in building around to a, with,
Starting point is 00:25:37 with a offensive line. And then they add a free agent running back, like somebody like Penny, that's a pretty good situation. You know, he goes to Houston, you know, and he's in a split with Davis Mills, who showed a lot of promise, but he's sharing with Rex Burkhead and whatever other, you know, retread guy that they decided to bring in there because they just wanted to get somebody that was good but cheap. And I'm sure these running backs are going to be cheap. Then it's not a great situation. So there's so many ways this can go with Rashad Penny. And that's the thing I think that people have to be thinking about. Certainly, if you're a dynasty manager, you should be selling
Starting point is 00:26:07 because his value is so high right now. All right. And tell me about Debo Samuel. That's the last guy I want to talk about. And then I'll just let you guys, if you want to give me more winners, that's fine. Or we can do the awards, whatever it is. Debo Samuel ends up as the number two wide receiver in non-PPR, number three in full PPR, 120 targets. Chris Godwin was wide receiver two a few years ago with 120 targets in 14 games. But those are the only two guys. I mean, that's the lowest number for a top five wide receiver since Jordy Nelson in 2011. So it's just rare. He had six receiving touchdowns, but he had eight rushing touchdowns and yak, like holy yak with Debo Samuel. So he averaged 10 yards after the catch per catch.
Starting point is 00:26:53 Compare that like two Cooper cup led the NFL in yards after catch. And Debo was second, but Cooper cup averaged 5.9 yards after catch per catch. And, and it's a lot to say. Debo was at 10 yak per catch. He's mind-blowing in this statistic. Most people in San
Starting point is 00:27:12 Francisco are, I guess. Anyway, Dave, where'd you end up with Debo in your early 2022 rankings? I've got him ninth among receivers next year. He averaged coming into the week 19.9 PPR points per game. I would imagine that that'll come down considerably next year. He averaged, coming into the week, 19.9 PPR points per game. I would imagine that that'll come down considerably next year, but he's still going to be in that range of, I would guess,
Starting point is 00:27:33 averaging 15 to 16 PPR points per game and would be a must-start guy. The rushing production, just on top of everything else, you hope he stays healthy. You hope he stays that big factor in the 49ers offense. I don't think they have any reason whatsoever to get away from him. The other issue that you've got to consider is what do they do at quarterback? Is Jimmy Garoppolo back? Remember, most of this production came with Garoppolo. Garoppolo played the majority of the year. With Trey Lance, he did have some good plays, but Lance figures to not throw as much as Garoppolo did. And this is already on a team that loves to run the football to begin with.
Starting point is 00:28:08 So you can't shoot him to the moon. You can't call him a top five receiver next year, in my opinion. I think he's a top 10, but closer to 10. In the two games that Lance started, he had a nine target game against the Cardinals in week five. So at least that's encouraging that he was looking for him. He only had three catches, 58 yards in that game, but clearly did some damage on the ground because he scored 15 PPR points. In the week 17 game, which it was a much more favorable opponent, six targets, three catches, 63 yards, and a touchdown.
Starting point is 00:28:35 So those are the two games Lance started. Now in the week four game, I don't know what the split is, so it could be obviously a lot more Jimmy Garoppolo. But in the week four game against Seattle, he has 13 targets, eight catches, 156 yards, and two touchdowns. I have no idea what that was. Well, I remember he had the 75 yard touchdown, right? Yeah. Whatever it was. Okay. But still you take that away. That's 90 yards receiving and seven catches and 12 targets. So in a touchdown. So again, whatever the split was between, you know, Garoppolo and Lance, I don't know. Uh, but in any event, um,
Starting point is 00:29:03 three of his very productive games came with Lance playing in some capacity. So I think that's something you've got to keep in mind. I also was hearing some people say that some other sites may give him running back eligibility, which would definitely change how you have to view him if he's allowed to be drafted at that capacity because of how much work he did in the backup.
Starting point is 00:29:21 I don't know if we're going to do that. That's obviously something we'll have to have a conversation of this offseason. But you've got to think about it. In two of three years, he did in the backup. I don't know if we're going to do that. That's obviously something we'll have to have a conversation of this off season, but you got to think about it in two of three years, he's been really good, but he also, I think has a little bit of an injury prone label to him because of what happened in his second season. And he did miss a little bit of time and spend time on the practice report, you know, banged up and the additional work will probably lead to maybe some more injuries, But he's just shown you so much potential. And this year, you know, everything just kind of worked in his favor and exploded.
Starting point is 00:29:49 So I think it's going to be very difficult not to draft him, probably in round three. If it's a very heavy receiver draft, probably see him go at the end of round two. There's just so much to love about his upside in this offense. Where did you end up ranking? Where is he in your top ten? By the way uh the splits in that week four game he had 13 targets for the game and he had eight of them with trey lance in the second half okay eight out of 18 that's now two or three games where he had eight or more
Starting point is 00:30:18 targets from lance that's a good sign yeah that's a good sign for sure uh oh kittle did play in that game yeah and kittle had 10 targets in that game too. Kittle did not play in that game. No. Yes. Week four, I thought he was out. No, he did play. Okay.
Starting point is 00:30:33 Garoppolo. Yeah, they all played. The whole band was there. And Ayuk was back in full swing. Was he a full-time player? I don't know about this. He had three targets. Let's see.
Starting point is 00:30:43 How much did this? I'm sure people care so much. Kittle played 92% of the snaps. Samuel, 67% of the snaps. Okay, so he was coming out of the doghouse at that point. Anything else you guys want to talk about from Week 18? Anything that jumped out at you?
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Starting point is 00:31:47 and conditions apply visit amex.ca slash business platinum so who is the fantasy mvp is it debo samuel we just talked about him debo yeah we have to come up with a list of four so uh four i have were uh based on where they were drafted in their production, were Cooper Cup, Debo Samuel, James Conner, and Mark Andrews. Oh, I didn't go with Conner. That's a good one. I went with Jamar Chase as my fourth with Cup, Andrews, and Debo. I mean, Conner was, what, a top five running back
Starting point is 00:32:21 and was drafted, what, somewhere around round eight, round nine? Yeah, Jamar Chase was a top five wide receiver. He was drafted 75th overall. Let me see the ADP. I was using Fantasy Pro's ADP in full PPR. So Chase... Connor was probably after Chase. Chase was...
Starting point is 00:32:41 Connor was almost certainly after Chase. 75th, and Connor was, certainly after Chase. 75th and Connor was 101st. Alright, let's throw James Connor up there. You want to put Chase over Andrews? I have no problem with that. Alright, so we've got five. Are we missing anyone? I don't want him to win.
Starting point is 00:32:58 That's the problem. What's that? Who's going to win? I don't think it's the case for Andrews to win or for Chase to win, considering the other three names that you've brought up. I mean, Andrews is the best tight end in fantasy. That's hard not to. He was still drafted relatively early. He was tight end five.
Starting point is 00:33:13 He was just after Kyle Pitts in fantasy pros, PPR, ADP. Basically the same. Let's do it. Jonathan Taylor. Should we just talk about Jonathan Taylor as a possibility? You have to I mean you know I think he's definitely in consideration but you know when you start to factor in ADP versus production you know I don't
Starting point is 00:33:34 know where he finished I think he was somewhere back in the round one early round two which is against because of the Carson Wentz Quentin Nelson injuries that pushed him down but I mean I think you know the two receivers for sure, in terms of Debo and Cup, it's hard to argue that those guys are not better than him based on where they were drafted
Starting point is 00:33:53 and the production they gave him. And Cup averaged four and a half points per game more than Debo Samuel. So even though Debo went a lot later, Debo was 88th overall. He was wide receiver 35. Kup basically cut it in half. 46 overall. He was wide receiver 17. That's a pretty big edge. So we're set on Kup and Debo.
Starting point is 00:34:15 That makes the difference for me. Alright, we're set on Kup and Debo. We've got to get four names here. So I think Connor belongs. I think Connor's a good call. Alright, Then we're down to Taylor, Jamar Chase, and Mark Andrews. I think we look silly not having Jonathan Taylor on the list.
Starting point is 00:34:31 I would agree. Schrager, you're making a note of all this? Got it all. We got Cup, Debo, Jonathan Taylor, and James Connor. Biggest bust. What do you got?
Starting point is 00:34:47 What do we got for biggest bust? I have two running backs, two receivers. Okay. I can guess the receivers. Two running backs are Saquon Barkley and Miles Gaskin. Oh, Gaskin. Gaskin was terrible. And the two receivers are Terry McLaurin and Alan Robinson.
Starting point is 00:35:05 Yeah, and that's not even a contest, though, between Robinson and McLaurin. I mean, they were drafted pretty similarly. So Robinson is... That's why I didn't even put McLaurin on the list because Robinson is so much bustier. He's like the biggest bust ever. He didn't even get hurt.
Starting point is 00:35:22 I mean, we won one or two games or whatever, but. No, he missed, I think, three or four. Yeah, fine. I'm not kidding. You know what? Just let me rant. Even before that. He was so bad.
Starting point is 00:35:33 Oh, my gosh. Oh, man. All right. Robinson has to be on the list. Barkley has to be on the list. And we're not doing like mega injury busts. You miss a few games, that's one thing. But it's performance related here.
Starting point is 00:35:44 I started looking at it, and I was going to tweet over the weekend, but it was just too much time. But my criteria when I was looking at it was did they play at least 12 games? Okay, fair. All right, so I think Barkley and Robinson are on there. We'll talk, McLaurin's a possibility.
Starting point is 00:36:00 Dave, who else? Well, the receivers are exactly who I had. I don't know if there's anybody else that really could qualify as much. I could say Chase Claypool, for example, or Jerry Judy. Those guys were guys that we missed on,
Starting point is 00:36:17 but I don't think that they are in the same ballpark. Yeah, you're missing. How about a wide receiver who caught zero touchdowns this year? Gallaudet? Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, I thought of a bust going into the season, so I don't feel like he's a bust when he acted that way.
Starting point is 00:36:35 He was wide receiver 30 in ADP. I mean, Robinson is definitely ahead of him. Me and McLaurin's the worst. Hold on, I got another one. I don't know if he qualifies because of the injury thing, but could you make the case that Miles Sanders was a fantasy bust? No. I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:36:53 He didn't go high enough. Three games, only three games with more than 10 PPR points. That's actually a pretty good call. But once they committed to running the ball and he was healthy, he was a must-start guy. Yeah, but he only had two good games when they started doing that yeah but how many does he leave with injury right so like i don't know if he qualifies because yeah i wouldn't call him a bust i don't think a lot of people would view him that way to me gaskin's a bigger bust gaskin's a pretty big bust uh gaskin
Starting point is 00:37:19 mike ben ben wants to throw mike davis's name the ring. I would say, yeah. I guess. That's a pretty good one. He had more 10-point PPR games than Miles Sanders did. That's a pretty good case. How many games did Sanders end up playing? He was on IR for three games. What else did he miss?
Starting point is 00:37:45 Missed week 18. I don't think he played enough games. So what else did he miss? Missed week 18. I don't think he played enough games. Let's see. I don't know. I think he probably played 12. I think, Dave, I think you're onto something here with Miles Sanders. He was a colossal boss. I think he missed.
Starting point is 00:37:54 He played 12. I'm not all confirmed, but I think he missed only six games. He played 12. Okay. So then that qualifies him. Played 12 games. He was good in three of the 12 was definitely he wasn't as sought after as he was two years ago yeah all right so
Starting point is 00:38:15 i think he belongs on the list i don't i don't know if he'll beat saquon but saquon had more games with 10 ppr points he had saquon had more games with 10 PPR points. He had Saquon at a couple with 20. All right. So we have Barkley Robinson. You guys seem pretty intent on McLaurin keeping him. I would. Okay. Barkley Robinson, McLaurin.
Starting point is 00:38:34 And then we need one more guy. Is it going to be Mike Davis? Is it going to be miles Gaskin? Is it going to be miles Sanders? Trager, you want to cast the deciding vote here? All these other names. I think I would take McLaurin off.
Starting point is 00:38:46 I kind of agree. I agree that he was terrible this year, and it sucked having him on your fantasy team, but these guys stunk even more. Okay, fine. So I'll say my final four would be Robinson, Barkley, Miles Sanders, and then who else Dave? I think Gaskin belongs on there.
Starting point is 00:39:08 I think Barkley belongs on there. I think Sanders belongs on there. I think about Robinson, like he busted, but we, we were, we were through with him by like week six. And he absolutely ended up the year on the waiver wire and a ton of leagues.
Starting point is 00:39:24 No one was starting him. Gaskin's got to be a must because he was drafted as an RB2, and he was awful. All right. And people kept going back to him. Yeah, but, I mean, at least you got some good games. We were starting this guy even though he was terrible. At least you got something from him.
Starting point is 00:39:41 Robinson, I mean, there's no other player. Robinson is definitely on the list. He was a top 10 receiver drafted. He was terrible. He's the biggest bust of the year. He's the winner. This is all a moot point because Robinson is going to run away with it. Alright, fine. So then let's put Gaskin. Robinson, Barkley, Gaskin,
Starting point is 00:39:57 and I'm cool with Miles Sanders. Let's throw him on there. I'm not, but I'll be the center. Who goes ahead of him? McLaurin? I would put McLaurin in. Shaggy B? Let's go Terry. Sanders,
Starting point is 00:40:13 when we started him towards the end of the year, was good. Was he? For a couple of games. For a couple of games, he was. Alright. He was. He really wasn't, though. He was for two games, Jets and Washington.
Starting point is 00:40:27 Yeah. Problem is, he just barely caught any passes. All right. Let's go to Rookie of the Year. This is actually... This is a pretty good one here. This is a really good one. Yeah, but you know who's going to win. I don't know who's going to win.
Starting point is 00:40:39 I think it's going to be very close. Oh, it's very close. No, you mentioned it for MVP. How's he not going to be Rookie of the Year? Because it's ADP. But to me, it's very close. You mentioned it for MVP. How's he not going to be rookie of the year? Because it's ADP, but to me, it's Najee Harris. I would vote for Najee over Chase. They're both top five at their position. First, you're going to get reason to see
Starting point is 00:40:53 bias because Jamar Chase won a lot of people's fantasy championships, so you're going to have that problem to deal with. Jamar Chase has been the best rookie. He was close to setting rookie records. He's amazing. Najee Harris, I think you could argue, had a better fantasy season. And here's my case for Najee ahead of Jamar Chase. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:41:12 Yeah, Jamar Chase was amazing in Week 16 and 17. And that helped people win, especially Week 17. What he did in the Fantasy Championship can't be overlooked. Najee Harris had a pretty good Fantasy Championship, too, that Monday night with that last run. But from weeks 8 through 13, crunch time down the stretch, five straight games with 13.1 or fewer fantasy points in PPR for Jamar Chase. He was kind of a dud until he turned it on in weeks 16 and 17.
Starting point is 00:41:40 Round one of the fantasy playoffs, he uh 1.3 ppr fantasy points so i think chase is is easily top two i think he's probably going to win but i really think naji harris a top three running back he was the number three running back in ppr the reason i didn't put him in his fantasy mvp is just because his adp was so much higher than chases but the number three running back in ppr compared i think it was the number four wide receiver's. But the number three running back in PPR compared, I think it was the number four wide receiver in PPR, maybe number five. Okay, but I mean, if you're just comparing them as players,
Starting point is 00:42:12 points per game, Chase was better. Total points, Chase was better. Weighted heavily by the two monster games that Chase had, which were better. I mean, Chase also was amazing in the beginning of the season. They were better than any two games that Najee had. Najee was more consistent. Chase had the two blow-up games.
Starting point is 00:42:32 I mean, they're the top two guys, but I would take Chase. I think, yeah, I think people will take Chase, but fine, they're the top two guys, then who is three and four? I think the case for Najee should be heard, though, and I think you made a good case for him. He had four games all season
Starting point is 00:42:44 with fewer than seven PPR fantasy points. They were in weeks one or three games, actually. One, 12, and 15. He scored 15.7 or more PPR fantasy points in every other game, except for week 18, where he was in and out of the lineup. But they both didn't play week 18, basically. Yeah, so forget that. All right, fine.
Starting point is 00:43:04 Najee, Jamar Chase. The other three guys I had were Elijah Mitchell, St. Brown, and Jalen Waddle am I forgetting anyone nope I think that's five so who's who we getting out of there um I would probably remove St. Brown just because the body of work it was toward the end of the season but you can make a case for Mitchell because of how much time he missed toward the end of the season so either one of those two Waddle definitely got to be on the list. He was awesome. All right. Let's remove
Starting point is 00:43:29 Schrager. I'll let you decide. Let's get Mitchell out of there. Mitchell is most likely going to be a strong candidate for best waiver wire pickup. So is St. Brown. All right. Best waiver wire pickup. Here we go. St. Brown, Penny, Mitchell. They got to be on the list,
Starting point is 00:43:46 right? Cordero Patterson has to be on the list. Cordero Patterson and Golden should be there too. I knew there was going to be one of those. Oh, that guy. Cause he's, he's going to be somebody that people forget because of how the season
Starting point is 00:43:57 ended for him. He helped so many people and in multiple spots. To me, he's the winner because you could have played him at either spot. You could have used them in different ways. You know, if you need a receiver one week, could have played in there.
Starting point is 00:44:08 You need a running back one. We could have played in there. I think he's the best way where I pick up with seasons. I don't think Penny belongs on the list. And I, I, I think the last four games were amazing, but I think the body of work is better for them.
Starting point is 00:44:22 Well, St. Brown had some contributions before then. St. Brown was better though than Penny. If you just look at their... For Penny, it was five games and one was bad for St. Brown.
Starting point is 00:44:34 When St. Brown became a few guys, it was the end of the season. That's why we were looking at them as definite players in your lineup. Yeah. I think it'll come down to Patterson or Mitchell. But I think Dalton Schultz is a dark horse. I think he was really good. He was awesome.
Starting point is 00:44:49 St. Brown and Penny helped you at the end of the year. St. Brown, I don't know if you really bought into him in October when he started to play a little bit more
Starting point is 00:44:57 and get more work. But to me, that was an edge. Like, Penny was off the radar until November. This is a tough category but i forgot about patterson he's absolutely number one there uh we'll let we'll let the people vote but he'll be on the list okay so patterson saint brown's gotta gotta be on um yeah i think those four
Starting point is 00:45:15 because you know again it shouldn't be discounted of when you help people because you help people at the end is and i put tasem hill as the fifth guy too because he was somebody that you started at quarterback for stretch and you're looking at that position there really wasn't a lot of guys that we picked up and said were you know starters right away there were a few streamers but once he became a starter people starting whether you whether you consistently did or not i think you started you know i i think i got to put tasem hill on there i'm a set dalton schultz i think i put dalton schultz i I would put Patterson, Mitchell, Schultz, and then you can make a case for either Penny or St. Brown.
Starting point is 00:45:47 I would go St. Brown over Penny. Sure. That's fine. Yeah, I think we're in complete agreement there because Dalton Schultz was awesome in the fantasy playoffs. 20 points, 22 points, 11 points. He was awesome in the beginning of the season too. That's the better part of it. Yeah, he was a top five tight end and you got him in week three.
Starting point is 00:46:03 He was 5% rostered. I think Sonny Michel deserves a shout out. Deontay Foreman. Those guys were good. Alexander Madison was 53% rostered after week two. He's not going to make the cut. But all right, so we got... A lot of shout outs.
Starting point is 00:46:18 Devontae Freeman, Darnell Mooney, Pat Fryermuth. But not good enough to be on the final list. We've got Patterson, Mitchell, Dalton Schultz, and St. Brown. Worst waiver wire pickup. Who'd you guys come up with for this? Well, the first name that I had was Kadarius Toney, who looked great for a couple of games, and then the combination of Giants and injuries just completely removed him from being
Starting point is 00:46:46 useful in fantasy. I know that there was one person on this podcast that was really, really, really, really in love with Kadarius Toney. I like him too. Don't talk about Heath when he's not on this show, Dave. He's on the list. Cole Komet is
Starting point is 00:47:02 on the list. He was always just eh. Rashad Bateman. We all made a big hullabaloo he's on the list. Cole commit is on the list. He was always just, uh, uh, Rashad Bateman. We all made a big hullabaloo about Bateman. Uh, I don't think we ever necessarily had him as the guy to go get, but he's somebody that I think fantasy managers gravitated toward. And then he was,
Starting point is 00:47:18 he had a couple of okay games. I think he had one really good game. Um, I didn't like him, but I know a lot of people did was Peterson. Oh, he, he, he was one of my guys. Kadarius Tony was.
Starting point is 00:47:29 Rondale Moore, week three. He never did anything after that second game of his season. Sam Darnold. Remember how a lot of people were buying into Sam Darnold. Not us.
Starting point is 00:47:40 He got you a couple good starts though with his Russian production early. He did, but in week four, that's when I think people started to finally buy in. Then he had maybe one more good game. How about Kampf? Kampf came to mind, too. Kampf was a good one for this.
Starting point is 00:47:56 This was really tough. Damian Williams. Remember how people—we thought Montgomery was going to be out a while. And Williams, he plays one game. He had a good game. Split carries with Herbert, but they both were good. And then I think he went on the COVID list or he got hurt. One of the two.
Starting point is 00:48:13 Yeah, I think he went on the COVID list midweek. Montgomery missed four games. And then whatever it was. And then Khalil Herbert just took the job for the next three weeks, I think. Yep. Yes. All right. So, Schrager, what does it look like here
Starting point is 00:48:25 for worst waiver wire pickup adrian peterson tony darnold or cam i think rondale more deserves to be on there okay beyond that i think that's a good start ap more darnold or cam for sure and tony and tony i think we i think we should put Cam on there. Yeah, me too. Everybody was kind of hyped up about Cam Newton coming back. Me too. Okay, one game wonders. This is a player who had a huge week and didn't really do much else.
Starting point is 00:48:58 Yeah. Cam. Didn't Cam have one more good game or no? He had two. He had two. To me, there's one clear winner, and that's Justin Jackson, week 16. 33 fantasy points in place of Austin Eckler.
Starting point is 00:49:12 People used him. People got to the fantasy championship because of him. And then they were smart enough to not use him the week after because they knew that Eckler would be back. Tyler Huntley, too. Same thing, the Packers game. Yep, week 15, 39 points. Are we looking at players who were helpful for fantasy managers
Starting point is 00:49:27 or players who weren't? You know, because is this... I think it should be helpful. Well, to me, this is Tyler Huntley's category because even as recently as yesterday, I know I was on the other side of this, but you heard he should be started in week 18. And it was one good game that we were basing it off of, essentially.
Starting point is 00:49:49 He had some good moments in the other three appearances prior to yesterday, but I just didn't think the sample size of him playing well was big enough. I thought he played poorly more on the other side. But he helped you if you started him that one game. I know I did. You could also say, hey, same team, Josh Johnson. Yeah. Yeah, he helped me team, Josh Johnson. Yeah. Yeah, he helped me get to a champion.
Starting point is 00:50:08 Mike White really jumps out. Were people using him? No, and that's why I don't know how to approach this. Right, so in week three, Peyton Barber had 23 fantasy points, and then he totaled 20 the rest of the way. Does that make him a candidate for a one-week wonder when no one started him, no one used him, no one picked him up?
Starting point is 00:50:29 He might have... It doesn't even matter what he did. I think it's like the fooled you type thing. Yeah, see, that's the thing. Or really useful. Okay, so why don't we just... Why don't we make it the useful one-week guys? You know?
Starting point is 00:50:41 Good. Best one-week wonder. Yes. I would say Braxton Berrios. Yeah, in week 17. I would say Kadarius Toney.
Starting point is 00:50:52 Okay. When was he started? He had a good game before the crazy good game. The Saints game. You picked him up
Starting point is 00:50:58 after the Saints game. You started him in the Cowboys game, maybe? Yep. You could even say Kenny Galladay, too. Just for one game
Starting point is 00:51:04 wonder. He had the Saints game. That was it. it yeah but i don't know that he really fits who's a guy that we plugged in for one week and got a huge week um huntley is one jackson's one's a good call um barrios are we good with that i mean how many good weeks did Khalil Herbert have? Two, three? Yeah, he's a good call. Yeah, a bunch. But he's not a one-week guy. No, he's not. 18, 18, nine in the middle of the year. Middle of the fantasy season. This is tough.
Starting point is 00:51:36 Where was Corey Davis ranked going into week one? Outside the top 35? Yeah, he's on my list. I can share my list with you. No, but he had a few good games, though. How about Trevor Lawrence after week one? But that's like going back to the Fooled You theme. Right.
Starting point is 00:51:52 The useful theme. Okay, so if it's going to be useful for the week, I think some people might have used Brax in week 17. I know people used Huntley in week 15 and Justin Jackson in week 16. Yeah, I feel pretty good about those three. And, man, this shouldn't be so hard. Emmanuel Sanders in week three, 26 points?
Starting point is 00:52:12 No, it's got to be like, oh, you picked him up off the waiver wire, basically. Duke Johnson's one good game. But no one was using him. Nobody used him. Yeah, they did the next week. And then he was horrible the next week against the Saints.
Starting point is 00:52:23 Right, that's what it is. We're kind of battling this. Is it fooled you or is it useful? I think this guy had one big week and then was useless. Okay. Elijah Moore did it twice. Jackson, Huntley. To me, this is Huntley's category to lose.
Starting point is 00:52:39 Jackson, Huntley, Duke Johnson. CJ Uzama. Uzama had a couple of big games. I just don't know if people were really trusting in those weeks. Damn it. I hate this. I can't figure this out. All right.
Starting point is 00:53:00 So, Huntley. You say Berrios. Berrios would be the fourth. All right. Okay. Tyler Huntley, Braxton Berrios Justin Jackson and who was the fourth?
Starting point is 00:53:08 Duke Johnson great category you'd also maybe say Duke Johnson's the fool how about Dearness Johnson oh there it is who Dearness Johnson? Oh, there it is. Who, Dearness?
Starting point is 00:53:26 Yes. All right. Yep. A fantastic one. Okay. All right. Great. Let's read one email here to finish the show.
Starting point is 00:53:34 I got to go. So I'll catch you guys. I thought we were doing FFT in five, Jamie. Yeah, I forgot I had a call. I'll talk to you after. All right. All right. There we go.
Starting point is 00:53:42 We're planning on the air. Dave, one email here from Devin. Hey, Paul, Ricky, Eagle, and Simon. Paul, Ricky, Eagle, and Simon. I don't have that one. Yeah, I don't have a clue. Paul, Ricky, Eagle, and Simon are... I'll tell you in a second.
Starting point is 00:54:01 Was this the year that we saw the downfall of mobile quarterbacks? Kyler Murray, dud, Lamar Jackson, dud, Dak. Wouldn't really call him a mobile quarterback to be honest with you. Russ fields,
Starting point is 00:54:12 taste some hurts, et cetera. Uh, really Josh Allen was the only mobile quarterback that lived up to the expectations while the pocket passers excelled. Do you share the same sentiment and feel that it could be due to this year's defensive trend of two high safeties? And will this, this impact next year's rankings on heavily waiting mobile quarterbacks
Starting point is 00:54:29 see i think the two high safeties did more of a did more damage against passers than runners because when the safeties are playing back it almost encourages you to run the football more i think just injuries piled up for these guys. Certainly in the case of Lamar and Kyler, they missed plenty of time, but when they did, when Kyler played, he ran well, a good portion of the time. It wasn't an every week thing, same thing with Lamar. And you saw the potential with fields. He just didn't get there every week. Taysom, same thing. Hertz, Hertz is the one that I think had some good consistency running for much of the year. I don't think it's necessarily the end of it, but I think you still consider that rushing potential as part of the makeup for all these quarterbacks and what they can do moving forward. And that's what will keep them certainly relevant in fantasy, if not pushed up a little bit higher than where they would be based on their arm.
Starting point is 00:55:23 It looks like Paul, Ricky, Eagle, and Simon are Frisbee golfers. You ever play Frisbee golf? I've got a Frisbee golf course near my house. I ride my bike past it all the time. I've never played. Really? When you were younger? I think it's too strenuous of an exercise for me. When you were younger, I don't know anyone who did this, not me. Did you ever drive by golf courses and honk your horn in the middle of people's backswing? When I was younger. Because I had a lot of fun doing that. It was last week. You did not. Okay. I didn't, but I thought about it. Really fun thing. Boy, they hate that. They really, really hate that.
Starting point is 00:56:06 We're out of here, everybody. Thanks so much for watching and listening. We'll talk to you tomorrow. We'll talk about the coaching changes, some other 2022 things, and later in the week, we'll talk about the wild card round. To Dave and Jamie and Ben, thank you. I'm Adam. Talk to you later on Fantasy Football Team.

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