Fantasy Football Today - Week 4 Recap: Saquon, Patterson, Knox and More (10/03 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: October 4, 2021

Another exciting Sunday brings another exciting recap episode! We kick it off with the big news (3:30) on David Montgomery, Trey Lance and Dalvin Cook plus who you should be looking at on the waiver wire. Then we've got our Week 4 winners (11:15) like Cordarrelle Patterson and Dawson Knox and losers (22:40) like Chris Carson and Ty'Son Williams ... Did you waste draft picks (28:50) on Robert Woods, Brandon Aiyuk, Allen Robinson and Myles Gaskin? We tell you how we're feeling about some of the biggest busts in Fantasy. Plus Buy or Sell (34:30) on Sam Darnold, Deebo Samuel and Marquise Brown ... Recapping each game with our Fantasy takes (42:00) ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck. Week four, almost in the books. Just waiting for Sunday night and Monday night here. Welcome. I'm Adam Azer with Dave Richard and Heath Cummings. Did we see the fall of Chris Carson in week four? The rise of Latavius Murray?

The end of Miles Gaskin on fantasy rosters? Let's find out. We also have the David Montgomery injury that we'll react to, but he's not the only Bears running back who got hurt in this game. And all the winners and all the losers. Cordaro Pat, what? Cordaro Patterson, three touchdowns, all receptions wild. Guys, how'd you feel about week four?

Heath, how was it? I think you hit on it, and you even left out half of them. It was all about the running backs who disappeared. Tyson Williams was wiped away from the face of, of all football. Didn't even get to play this week. Mike Davis clearly supplanted by Cordero Patterson.

It's, there's, there's a, a, just, uh, as the best fantasy running back in Atlanta. I mean,

yes, Mike Davis is still going to get his 13 carries for 25 yards. Bad schedule. He got 25 yards on his 13 carries today. I was thoroughly entertained by what we saw. And yes, there were a lot of comebacks with running backs. Jonathan Taylor is back from the tomb of fantasy football hell. That sounded grim.

Chase Edmonds had some good plays. Clyde Edwards-Hilaire over 100 yards for the second straight week. Miles Sanders with under 30. And a one-yard touchdown for Clyde. A one-yard touchdown. On another catch. Another red zone catch for a touchdown for Clyde Edwards-Hilaire. He didn't have a rushing touchdown later in the game. definitely not ready to save that Mike Davis is the worst running

back in Atlanta uh the snap count will tell us that but Chubbard was a dullard and fantasy managers are going to be sick to their stomach when they see what he did oh he was he wasn't that bad when he had about 60 total yards. No, that's bad. That's totally discouraging in every way because the whole thing was when Christian McCaffrey went out, Mike Davis got all of the work for like nine weeks. The first week without McCaffrey and Hubbard got the running work and didn't get the targets hardly at all.

Those went to someone else. He had three catches. What do you want from him? Six? He had two catches. He had 14 yards on those two catches. He didn't even get you 10 CPR points. Two targets, two catches. Maybe one got called back.

Or maybe I just wrote it down wrong. I had him with three catches. DJ Moore was used out of the backfield. moore caught a touchdown out of the backfield rodney rodney smith had five catches yeah yeah right all right well look okay fine but but he was he wasn't miles gaskin and he wasn't uh he probably was better than dalvin cook how about that all right so let's get into the big news here. By the way, Dalvin Cook was started in only 82% of leagues. You want to bet there were some managers

who were like, oh man, I can't believe I didn't get Dalvin Cook in my lineup. They're like, oh, thank God I didn't get Dalvin Cook in my lineup. David Montgomery left with a knee injury. The initial report is that it might not be a season ender. This is from Ian Rappaport.

David Montgomery, who left with a knee injury, will have an MRI tomorrow, source said. The initial belief, based on early tests, is that the hyperextended knee did not lead to a major injury, but the additional tests will tell the full story. So we can hope that is the case, not a serious injury, but also Damian Williams left with an injury as well. So Dave, what's the bears running back situation right now is they have the Raiders and the Packers and the bucks in their next three games. Khalil Herbert would be the next guy up. He's a rookie.

He looked good in the preseason. Where have you heard that from me before? If it's, if there's no Montgomery and there's no Damian Williams, then Herbert theoretically would have a chance to, at the very least, split reps with somebody else in the backfield. I would assume if there's no Montgomery, then Damian Williams and Khalil Herbert are going to split reps. Not 50-50, but I don't think you see a situation where any team is giving Damian Williams 70% of the touches in a backfield at this stage of his career. Well,

yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't think the Raiders, the Raiders could be a good matchup, but then I don't want to get too deep into the matchups, but you're not necessarily going to trust them. These guys,

unless they have good matchups. And we just talked about 17 running backs that were ranked in the top 25 that we hate now. So that's true. Like, yeah, you know, five weeks are going to start coming. Maybe there's a reason. We just talked about 17 running backs that were ranked in the top 25 that we hate now. That's true. Yeah, you know, five weeks are going to start coming. Maybe there's a reason to trust in Herbert or Damian Williams in your lineup if you're then at the position. These are running backs who are going to play in a football game

and have a chance to get you 10-plus touches. That's something that's going to help you in some sort of way. It might not be a great way. I'm not going to recommend these guys as must starts or anything like that. After Montgomery got hurt, he got hurt on the very first play of the fourth quarter. Damian Williams played seven of the 12 snaps. Herbert played five of the 12.

We're not sure where the Williams injury took place in between those 12 snaps. Okay. Other big news. We got two quarterback injuries. Jimmy Garoppolo left with a calf injury and Teddy Bridgewater left with a concussion. Now, Drew Locke, he struggled.

Not a shock. But Trey Lance, I mean, look at the final fantasy points. He scored more than 20 fantasy points in one half of football. He scored 24 fantasy points on 18 pass attempts. Now, he was helped by Debo Samuel being left wide open for a 70-plus yard touchdown catch, 76 yards. But is Trey Lance a must-add right now at 50% rostered?

I think the news, there's a decent chance by Tuesday afternoon, Kyle Shanahan's come out and said, we expect Jimmy Garoppolo to be okay. He's our starting quarterback. If that happens, then Lance should still be rostered. But I didn't want to drop him in the first place. I didn't want to drop Justin Fields after his terrible performance last week.

So yes, I think they both should be rostered in more leagues than they are. Okay. They have Arizona next week, then they have a bye. So it could be a situation where you have him for one game. We'll see what they say about Garoppolo, if they even say he's our starter when he's back. back i mean if you take i know this is why but if you take away the 70 plus yard touchdown catch it was not a very efficient game it was most yeah it

was it was very much like the preseason yeah where there was the wow play and the wow play was really just wow the defense didn't cover him um and then it was a lot of, but the thing is, he did the thing that Justin Fields really hasn't done in his starts. He scrambled a lot. Seven carries in a half a football. 41 yards in a half a football. Right. Like a Jalen Hurts type rusher, possibly.

We'll talk about Fields a little bit later, but I'm thinking we're probably a little more optimistic. He had better numbers than his fantasy points, a better game than his fantasy points, but three rushing touchdowns for the Bears took some points away from Justin Fields. Will Fuller left with an injury, unfortunately. So did Byron Jones, Dolphins cornerback.

Antonio Gibson limped off in the fourth quarter, but he seems to be okay. Logan Thomas, on the other hand, got hurt at the very beginning of the game, didn't haveped off in the fourth quarter, but he seems to be okay. Logan Thomas, on the other hand, got hurt at the very beginning of the game. Didn't have a target in the game. He left and did not return. He was very upset when he walked off the field. And then there's Dalvin Cook. Cook had 44 total yards, limped off in the third quarter, came back. He was out for a few series, I think. I don't know.

He seems to be okay, but one of those games. He played 61% of the snaps in the first half. I think he was okay then. And then I guess he got beat up a little bit in the second half, only played 43% of the snaps, almost even with Madison in the second half, but did come back. This could be one to watch over the next week is, is how much he practices.

And then if he plays, do the Vikings pull back a little bit on him being the workhorse and they let Alexander Madison handle some touches. So I think we'll probably still feel like cook is a number one fantasy running back, but it might be for the best if you put them toward the bottom of the top 12. Oh, ah, like behind who Deandre Swift. is a number one fantasy running back, but it might be for the best if you put him toward the bottom of the top 12.

Like behind who? DeAndre Swift? That's the thing. DeAndre Swift outscored him again today, didn't he? Probably in three catches. I don't know. It wouldn't be such a bad thing. You look at Zeke and Pollard, right? That's what I'm saying. You can give Pollard 10 carries a game. As long as Zeke's getting the ones that count, Cook would be getting

the ones that count if this scenario unfolds. You would think anyway. It would be going back to, like, but the way that works because what the Cowboys, and we'll talk about this later, but what the Cowboys have done

is gone back to what the Vikings have done over the last three years. Just run, run, run. They're just not throwing the ball. Yeah. Except for in the red zone. Okay.

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Probably. How old were you in 2006? No, 2003, let's say. Six years old. Oh, there you go. I think that's what I enjoyed ben didn't know what the nwo was so when i came into the office today he was he was checking out nick westbrook akina from the titans and he coined him nwi and just as a knee-jerk reaction i went n w i

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NWI tanked like WCW. There you go. Very good. Cordero Patterson Heath, he's your number one winner and he had six carries, but he also had five catches, three of them for touchdowns and now he has five touchdowns on the season. Patterson was started in 47% of leagues.

Is he a must start? He's got Saints next week. That is a literal thing that I have tweeted, believe it or not, before it. Just about an hour ago. Cordero Patterson, is he a must start? So, yeah, I think it would be very difficult. I don't want to make any claims that he's going to be a must start the rest of the season, but right now he is their second best option in the passing game.

He's not even the third best option. It's it works out better for the Falcons when they throw to Cordero Patterson than when they throw to Kyle Pitts. And I would think at some point Pitts is going to really seize that number two role and and be better be a better option um but their offense in the way it's currently structured is going to involve a lot of stuff around that line of scrimmage patterson's really pretty good in space and arthur smith's doing a good job getting him design plays in space at a relatively low volume.

He's a unique animal, but you've got to start him for now. Okay. I agree. And look, they tried to get Pitts going. He had a couple of targets early on in the game, finished with a career-high nine career. It's only been four games, but you know what I'm saying. Patterson, he got behind

washington's defense for the first touchdown of the game and he just he's making plays he's not playing as much as he even did last week 30 of the snaps for cordero patterson mike davis was close to 70 obviously so i'm i think you've got to go with patterson if you like you need a flex you need a running back. That position's thin. Here's somebody that's producing. He's working in the red zone with Mike Davis. He's a thing.

Quick update here. Jimmy Garoppolo anticipates being out a couple of weeks with his calf injury. Remember, that might just be one game because they do have a bye in week six. Okay, Cordaro Patterson at this point. I can understand next week just because Sanders has been so bad, but rest of season, would you rather have Miles Sanders

or Cordaro Patterson? It's so ridiculous to even... You're kind of setting up for one or the other, believe it or not, but I'm going to avoid it. I will say Cordaro Patterson. I'll stick with Sanders because I'm

stubborn. Okay, Terry McLaurin and Kenny Galladay were winners. For whatever reason, but that's kind of how I feel. Terry McLaurin and Kenny Galladay were winners for you, Heath. McLaurin with 123 yards and two touchdowns on 13 targets, and Galladay with 116 yards on eight

targets at New Orleans. Big games for them. And McLaurin was already a must start. Galladay only started in 20% of leagues. What do you want to say about these two NFC East receivers? I just, it was nice to see Kenny Galladay produce as a giant. It was nice to see him getting some downfield targets and connecting on them.

So this gives me more hope that he will be a number two wide receiver and non PPR and a high end number three wide receiver and full PPR rest of season for Terry McLaurin. It's just now two or three games. And we need to give Taylor Heineke all the credit in the world. He's been a starting fantasy quarterback since he took over, um, at least 24 fantasy points in all three games. And now two out of three games, at least 13 targets for Terry McLaurin. When Fitzpatrick went down, we kind of said, okay, Terry McLaurin will still be the guy he's been,

the mid-range number two. But that hope we had for the breakout to be a number one wide receiver is gone now. It's not gone now. Yeah, and also consider, I don't know if there are any matchups that I care about anymore. I mean, it's just,

I don't think Marshawn Lattimore is really a shutdown guy at this point. We talked about it on Friday. Alexander stays on his side of the field. The best cornerbacks are not shadowing. Ramsey doesn't shadow. McLaurin, in between these two huge games, had 62 yards against the Bills, who just shut down

Brandon Cooks. I feel like that is, I'm sorry, it's a little bit of a tangent, but just, that might be the only matchup where I'm really afraid for a wide receiver going up against the Bills, who just shut down Brandon Cooks. I feel like that is, I'm sorry, it's a little bit of a tangent, but just that might be the only matchup where I'm really afraid for a wide receiver going up against the Bills. They are just killing these number one wide receivers so far, and they did it to McLaurin in week three. And I don't know if they're going to do it to Tyreek Hill next week.

That's the only exception, but can't wait for that game. All right, Dave, let's go to a couple of Bills. By the way, I just have to point out with McLaurin, he bailed out Heineke on that second touchdown. Late in the game, Heineke was under pressure. He just chucked it into the general vicinity of where McLaurin was, and McLaurin made a play on it. The Falcons defense had no idea how to handle it.

All right, so speaking of that, really good game. In fact, he should have had another big gain, but Heineke overthrew him. Speaking of the bills, Dave, let's get to your two of your three winners here dawson knox career high tied a career high with eight no i i don't think dave should get to talk about dawson knox i think dawson knox this needs to be the adam azar victory lap you're the only person in the fantasy football community who ever thought that the bills were going to throw the ball to their tight end. You told us all summer they were going to throw it to their tight end.

And now Dawson Knox is 2020 Robert Tunyon. Maybe. Yeah, I mean, that's not a bad comparison. The eight targets are encouraging. And I think the targets have gone up now two straight weeks, right? From three to five to eight. I don't think he's a must-start tight end, personally. I think Cole Beasley had a horrible game,

right? I just think that Cole Beasley is one of my losers. And yes, I, I, Cole Beasley is discount Tyler Lockett. You get the bus without the booms. Yeah. I think that the bills are kind of like the Cardinals. They're spreading it around so much. Knox Knox has had at least one touchdown in three straight games. You got to pick them up. He's going to let you down a few games, too. I guess he could be a top 12 tight end. It's not that hard. What do you guys think? He may have already locked it up. He scored four touchdowns. That's a good point. Three. I think four, right?

I think two today and one in each of the previous two. Four touchdowns in his last three games. I guess the target share was really good, too. Eight targets on 29 passes. What do you think is Dawson Knox, a top 12 borderline must start guy. I think he's a streaming tight end who you'll be lucky to see a targets

from again, but he's definitely got the touchdown appeal. We've seen it now for three straight games and the bills are about to play the chiefs thinking there's going to be a lot of touchdowns in week number five. After that, they've got Tennessee and then a buy and then Miami and then Jacksonville and then the jets and the cold. So maybe there's going to be a rough stretch coming up, but let's just keep it short term with Knox. Where's the rough stretch though? He's going to be a top 12 guy in week five Jacksonville and the jets. Doesn't sound like

a dumb stretch. I think you just have to compare him. Some of us, including me, got away from Dallas Goddard this week. I would still rather have Dallas Goddard than Dawson Knox, I think. I think I'd still rather have Dalton Schultz than Dawson Knox. But this Logan Thomas injury and

some of the other, like Tyler Conklin we got excited about, he's going to move into that range. He'll be that guy. And what we've seen from a lot of these guys is they move into the streaming conversation. That's the week that they give you two catches for 20 yards. Yeah. Yeah.

And so maybe you just have to stick with it when they have a bad game. But try to get a guy on a good – the Robert Tunyon comparison is good. Zach Moss, Dave, another one of your winners. He scored a touchdown in three straight games. He has definitely benefited from garbage time against the Dolphins, against Houston today. But do you think he is a flex, a number two, or a sell high? What do you think about Moss? He's at worst a flex.

I think he crawled into my number two running back range today while we were doing the show, just thinking about how this game was going to go against Houston. You knew it was going to be a blowout win for the Bills. He's dominating garbage time. He's dominating red zone snaps. So I think that this is a good opportunity to buy into Zach Moss if he's still out there.

Some people might call him a sell high because how could he keep this up with all these touchdowns? Well, he actually looks like the best running back in Buffalo as well. And I just went over the schedule and look at how many games that are in the Bills future where they should be able to blow out their opponent. That's a good point. Okay. I was wrong about Zach Moss today because he scored a touchdown. I don't understand that he looks like the best running back in Buffalo.

In this very game. They had the same number of carries and Devin Singletary had 18 more yards. They had the same number of targets and Devin Singletary caught his and had seven yards and Zach Moss had zero receiving yards for in the three games. They've played together. Devin Singletary still has a higher share of the carries. Now he looks like he's going to score the most non-ppr fantasy points probably it seems like it but i don't know how he can be averaging a yard less per carry or

a half yard less per carry than devin singletary over the year and we can say he looks like he's definitely better because he looks better in the red zone where he's played 12 of 16 snaps just today and 8 of 15 in the fourth quarter so maybe you're right maybe he's not the most talented running back in that backfield we know the monk that uh singletary likes to make guys miss and he's really good at it and moss is more of a run you over type of dude who does have some hop in his step but the bills are showing us how they use them and what they like about them and they're going to put them in those high value situations i thought it was a pretty and it was it was a good day for moss for sure it's a good day for both running backs i thought because i thought after last week there was a risk that

devin singletary kind of falls to the back burner a little bit i thought the way he stepped up and played in this game was pretty encouraging as well it was but 39 of the snaps is never a good thing yeah and and i think all the work near the end zone, too. The one target that Moss got was at the one-yard line, and they just kind of didn't connect there. It could have been a receiving touchdown. Dave, your other winner is Trey Sermon, who, at the end of the day,

he doesn't really have that good of a fantasy game. Right, when I turned it, he was rolling. Yeah, but, you know, I mean, look, he dominated the carries. He didn't score. He didn't have a catch. But, I mean, mean it still was a much much better day for trey sermon 19 carries 89 yards against seattle and so like in the first half to you know basically until garoppolo got hurt i felt like sermon was running well averaging five yards per carry seemed to fit into what the scheme is in san francisco and he was doing against seattle not a great run defense, but toward the end of the game, he wasn't putting up nearly as many good numbers.

He had how many carries he ended up having in the game? Was it 19? 19 for 89. Right. So if you had told me before the game that he would have had that many carries, I would have said, this guy's going to have an awesome game. He's a must start. As it was, he was a flex.

And he played only 54% of the snaps in the game that was better than anybody not named kyle ushek ushek played 81 of the snaps but you know that he blinds up at fullback a bunch i i think he's at least a flex until elijah mitchell comes back and then we go right back to square one with these 49ers running backs uh not knowing exactly how they will operate from week to week okay let. Let's get your losers double time here, because we have so much to get to here. Start with Heath's losers, Cole Beasley, CeeDee Lamb. What is going on with these Cowboys receivers?

And Chris Carson. Cole Beasley, did you already kind of hit on that? Yeah, we already hit on that. It's just like he's flex for number three, that you hope that it's the week that he gets 12 targets, but you don't ever really know what it is, I guess. It's pretty easy to tell you what's going on with the Cowboys wide receivers. They're turning Zach Prescott into Kirk Cousins, not Kirk Cousins this year,

because Kirk Cousins gets to pass this year. I guess Russell Wilson might be the better way. But it was a third consecutive week where the Cowboys had more rush attempts than pass attempts. And it's not just because they had a big lead in the second half. They had more rush attempts than pass attempts in the it's not just because they had a big lead in the second half. They had more rush attempts than pass attempts in the first half. And the score was 14-13. That's a bad, bad thing for Lamb and Cooper, especially because they're still throwing the ball to Dalton Schultz.

They're still throwing the ball to the tight ends. Yeah, and Gallup's coming back at some point, too. So they play... Tell me how many pass attempts you think Dak Prescott will have against the Giants next week. The way things are going right now, I'm probably going to project like 25, which is insane. At New England in week six.

Same thing? Yeah. Same amount of pass attempts? I mean, honestly, it's probably going to be 30. Yeah, I mean, I think he'll get to 30. I just think it's hard to say less than 30. Amongst the lowest projected in the league. And then he's got a bye in week seven,

and then after that, Minnesota, Denver, Atlanta, Kansas City, there's going to be some games where he's going to have to throw in there. I was going to say maybe this is the time to trade away Dak Prescott, but do you think there's going to be people in your league that are going to give up a good quarterback or a good player and a bad quarterback in exchange for him? Well, you might be able to trade him for Lamar Jackson right now. Should you?

Lamar Jackson has one game with more than 20 fantasy points. I would rather have Lamar Jackson than Dak Prescott moving forward. Well, they're both not really throwing. I guess so. I'm not ready to commit to that, actually. It's interesting. Would you guys have, would you rather have Russell Wilson

than both of them? I'm not sure about that either because I think Seattle figured out another way that they can win games without having Russ throwing all over the place. But he never, he never throws that much really. He's always, he's always been one of the most efficient quarterbacks. Right.

But I was, I was having flashbacks to the second half of last year and he had three touchdowns in the game, but he also, he didn't even have 150 yards passing. So I'm, I'm getting a little nervous about some of these quarterbacks. I don't know that like in reference to the Lamar thing and not throwing, I don't know that he's going to be that low of a pass volume quarterback. They were ahead the entire day against Denver, and he threw 37 passes today for 316 yards. He just didn't have the touchdowns.

Yeah. And if they're going to stick with a bunch of grumpy old men at running back, then maybe that's a sign that they're going to keep asking Lamar to throw. Okay, sorry. Let's go to Chris Carson, Heath, your last loser here. What happened in the backfield today with Alex Collins getting so much work? Alex Collins ran a little bit hotter than Chris Carson today. I don't know if Carson had a little injury.

That's possible. He's had a bunch of little injuries over his years in the league. But Alex Collins, I think because of the hair, always looks like he's running a little bit wilder than he actually is. He was running like his hair was on fire today. There was more of a split than we would

definitely like to see in a back field with Chris Carson. Carson only played two of 14 fourth quarter snaps. It was Alex Collins with 10 of 14 snaps in the fourth quarter. He, uh, he definitely had the hotter hand.

They wanted to go with him. It seems like there was no reported injury that I saw after the game. If there was something reported after the game, I haven't seen it yet. Okay, Dave, let's get to your losers. Who are your big stinking losers from week four?

Well, the obvious one is Tyson Williams. He didn't even play. There's going to be people who are going to be ready to cut him. I didn't watch enough of the game to realistically say how good the other running backs in Baltimore looked. I know Latavius scored. I saw some plays of Le'Veon. He looked like

he was running in slow motion. Devontae Freeman barely played. I wonder if it's really over for Tyson Williams. He looked like he was running in slow motion. Devontae Freeman barely played. I wonder if it's really over for Tyson Williams. If you've got him and you need the roster spot, go ahead and cut him. If you don't need the roster spot, let's see what happens in a week. If they still don't make him active next week after what these running backs gave them this week, then I'd say it's over for Tyson Williams. So he's a loser.

Miles Sanders is a loser. Only had seven carries the week after only getting two carries. I thought he'd have more. It's three straight games without even 60 yards, I think. So very frustrating if you've got Miles Sanders on your team. No, you shouldn't cut him. You'll cut Tyson Williams first. You'll cut a bunch of people first.

But you're going to have a hard time feeling good about starting Miles Sanders. And Kirk Cousins is another loser. I thought he'd crush Cleveland, but he was missing throws basically for like 60% of the game. He came out hot on the first drive. Second quarter, third quarter, he was really bad. Fourth quarter, he started to get hot again, but they got the ball back with like 40 seconds left, something like that, and they couldn't do anything with it to score. I think he, I think he's got bounce back potential. I wonder if he hits the waiver wire in a handful of leagues. And if he does, I'd be interested in picking him up. Don't drop him with Detroit coming up this week. Uh, yeah, but hopefully just a blip in the radar for, uh, for Clint, for Kirk cousins. He has been so good and so reliable going back to mid-season of 2020.

We will take a break when we come back. Did you waste the draft pick on Robert Woods? Did you waste the draft pick on Kyle Pitts, on Allen Robinson? We'll talk about some of these guys right after this quick break on Fantasy Football today. For a limited time, switch to Shopify Point of Sale and you could save up to 20% and improve your bottom line.

We're so serious about savings, we've made this ad 20% shorter. That means you get six seconds back. Just enough time to visit Shopify.com slash POS20. Now that's an efficient ad. Eligibility requirements apply. See Shopify.com slash POS 20 for details. We are back here, Adam, Dave, and Heath. And yeah, this segment is called Wasted Drapics with a question mark. So here are a bunch of names and tell me if you think that you're just, they're just going to be busts. You know, I'm not

saying we need to drop them. We're not dropping Robert Woods. He caught a touchdown, I know, but still, frustrating game. We're not dropping Allen Robinson or Pitts or anything like that. But are you getting this feeling that it's just going to be bad picks? So the names I have are Woods, Allen Robinson, 3K. Darnell Mooney had, like, this massive game. Allen Robinson, 6 catches for 35 yards on 11 targets. No, no, I'm sorry. That was week one against the Rams. He still had

a crappy game, though, against the Detroit Lions. Kyle Pitts, 50 yards on nine targets. Miles Gaskin, holy cow. Juju Smith-Schuster. Now, Juju, I think we could talk about dropping. And Brandon Ayuk. Are these wasted picks?

Woods, Robinson, Pitts, Gaskin Juju Iuke um I would say that it seems as if the last I don't think Woods or pits are and pits like I wouldn't be surprised if we get to tomorrow and we're looking at the standings and pits is like 15th of the year at tight end um just because he's a tight end I think he'll be fine Robert Woods I'm probably starting against Seattle next week, and I think he's going to be good. I think Gaskin, Juju, and Ayuk might all be wasted picks. I'm not necessarily going to drop all of them.

But, you know, Tyler Boyd, there was that weird thing with Mike Tomlin where Tyler Boyd had said the Steelers quit, and they talked about it all week. And I was watching the Steelers and Packers game this afternoon. I was like, oh, that's what Tyler Boyd had said the Steelers quit and they talked about it all week. And I was watching the Steelers and Packers game this afternoon. He's like, Oh, that's what Tyler Boyd meant.

Um, it, it was absolutely disgusting to watch their offense. Juju was wide open in the seam for a touchdown. Roethlisberger missed him by four or five yards. And then later Juju could have had another touchdown and just stopped running on the route um was that juju or johnson i think well there was definitely one with juju because there was a little discussion about on the sideline

okay i thought it may have happened like the whole offense is just disgusting and deontay johnson's still going to be fine and nausea harris gets all the touches. So as long as he doesn't break down, I guess I'll be fine. But yeah, I think those last three might indeed all be wasted picks. Those last three being Gaskin, Juju, and Ayuk. And starters at Allen Robinson at Las Vegas next week. I'll probably start him. At least as a number three receiver. Glutton for punishment.

All right. Maybe, but this is still somebody who's a good player, who's still playing a lot. The silver lining to him and to Robert Woods is that they're still, and Pitts too, and Ayuk, and I guess Juju too, almost all these guys, is that they're all playing a lot. And in the case of Juju, he had eight targets. Right, but he just had two catches.

I don't know when you'll feel good starting any of these guys moving forward. Pitts is a little bit of a different story because it's a tight end position, and it's hard to find a tight end. We agree. Ayuk is the easiest one to drop. I think it might be Gaskin. Well, I just think Ayuk is at Arizona this week. There's a 0% chance you can start him this week.

He's getting out-targeted by Mohamed Sanu, I'm pretty sure. And then he had to buy. At least he's still playing a bunch, too. I don't think you could feel good starting Ayuk. If you had to cut him, you could potentially do it because of the buy and because Trey Lance is going to be the quarterback. So he's definitely going to see some throws that go five feet over his head. Gaskin played two snaps in the second half.

That makes me nervous. I'm not sure what the Dolphins coaching staff isn't seeing with them, but their offensive line is brutal. Their offense is brutal. And Gaskin could be a grenade that you put onto somebody else's roster. Maybe.

If you have any hope, it's that Tua can revive things a little bit. Because Tua's only played one game. He had four pass attempts in week two. I was just reading about Miami Herald. Their offense right now under Brissette is almost historically bad, their passing offense. That opens up everything. Brissette is fantasy poison.

Anyway, I had a question about some backfield issues. We already talked about Seattle, so let's just run through this one real quick here. Do you see any issues for Aaron Jones as he and A.J. Dillon both had 15 carries in this game? I will say that Dillon did have eight of them in the fourth quarter. Jones had just a handful, maybe one to three, but it wasn't such a blowout. I don't know. Do you see any issues going forward with Aaron Jones? I don't see any major issues going forward with Aaron Jones.

We did hear on fantasy football today, Sunday morning from Tom Spencer, an editorial consultant with the NFL and CBS that AJ Dillon was going to see a little bit more work today against Pittsburgh. So I think that, I don't know if that's because Aaron Jones isn't playing at a hundred percent. I still feel good about Aaron Jones as a fantasy start, but Dylan,

if I don't know what his old roster ship is, it's Oh, 66%. So he still might be out there in a handful of leagues. Absolutely. Think he's worth a roster spot. But if, if,

if Aaron Jones gets 18 touches a week, the rest of the season, we're going to be thrilled. Yeah. If they both get 18 touches or close to it, then Aaron Rogers, it might be in a little bit of trouble, but he wasn't today.

He was good again. Okay, quick buy or sell here. Buy or sell. Sam Darnold is a fantasy difference maker. He is 70% rostered. He has had three straight 300-yard games. First time in his career, he's had even two straight, and 35 points at Dallas. Buy or sell? Sam Darnold

is a fantasy difference maker. I think I want to sell it. It's kind of based just on his track record, his inconsistency as a passer, the fact that he's getting a lot of his fantasy points from running for touchdowns. It's something that I'm not used to seeing coming.

It's a little nuts. It's a little nuts. Yeah. I mean, he's not a bad quarterback to use in the right situation, and I think he might even fit into that Kirk Cousins-Derek Carr range. Maybe he's better than Ryan Tannehill now,

but I don't think he's a difference maker. Okay. I do think he's a potential fantasy starter. I don't think he's a must-start fantasy quarterback. He's got Ph maker. Okay. I do think he's a potential fantasy starter. Just not one. I don't think he's a must-start fantasy quarterback. He's got Philly next week. Yeah, he's not one of those quarterbacks that you would. He's not in the category of the quarterbacks you wouldn't trade for Dalvin Cook.

Hey, it's Saquon Barkley. It's not Dalvin Cook. Would you trade Miles Sanders for him, Heath? I just don't know who needs sam darnold that's the thing right you think about all of the teams that all of the leagues that you have are you in i don't think in any of them i'm going for sam darnold i just i'm okay at quarterback you know i don't need him it's a weird that's why it's really important to get out of the elite ones and it is because everyone has one that's why you can't important to get out of the elite ones and it is because everyone has one that's why you can't trade one away

you can't trade what's not like a tight end where like five people have one everyone has one so you don't want to be the one person in your league who doesn't have a great quarterback Heath all right buy or sell Marquise Brown and Debo Samuel are legit breakouts Marquise Brown and Debo

Samuel are legit breakouts marquis brown and debo samuel are legit breakouts bye bye yeah i think we would have had a harder time saying bye after week one but sample size has grown brown has had three great games and one game with a bunch of drops where if he manages to hold on to like two of those balls he's had a great games and one game with a bunch of drops where if he manages to hold on to like two of those balls he's had a he has a big game he's legit debo and his target volume the only way that's changing and it could change with trey lance under center is if the run game really starts to spike in san francisco and then there's just now we're talking about a team that maybe throws the ball 20 times a game so there could be some target drain potentially there but for now no one's sitting

debo and this is just my perception we don't none of us know this yet but i almost think trey lance might be better for debo because like because i debo does a lot of non-traditional wide receiver things and succeeds in a lot of non-traditional wide receiver things and succeeds in a lot of non-traditional wide receiver ways. And I don't think the offense will be as traditional with Trey Lance running things. It'll be more change of direction stuff, more RPO stuff, more, I think, screens at the line of scrimmage where the defense got their attention half on Trey Lance.

And I might be wrong, but I could see Samuel really thriving with Trey Lance. The one thing that I worry about, though, is think about the two best plays that Debo Samuel has had this year. And one came today from Trey Lance, and the other one was back in week one. How many of those plays is he going to have where there's busted coverage and he's wide open? Yeah, he's had – If teams are worried – He's got a great sideline catch and then how many tackles how many of those does lamar jackson get

a year like eight to ten his receivers or from him himself running well they know for his receivers because teams are so scared of him himself running i mean lamar jackson the year that he broke out it was just insane efficiency because defenses were so concerned with stopping the run. The guys were running wide open, deep in the secondary. But that's not what happened in either of these scenarios with Debo. In week one, he caught a pass about the 50-yard line. Defender falls down. He gets another 50 yards and a touchdown.

In week four, Seattle was playing zone coverage, miscommunication. They just let him run free. Lance gives him the pass, 76-yard touchdown. So how good would his numbers be? They just let him run free. Lance gives him the pass 76 yard touchdown. So how good would his numbers be? They'd probably be pretty good. But if you took away 126 yards or something like that and two touchdowns, you know, what would he be? I don't know if that's fair or not, but I'm just saying, I think those types of mistakes are more likely to happen when Trey Lance's quarterback than Jimmy. I would agree with that. Yeah. Um, I would still ride Debo Samuel until we see significant change in this 49ers offense.

Who would you rather have, Marquise Brown or Debo? Debo. I think Brown is sustainable for the rest of the year. Two weeks in a row. I don't know why they're going away from Brown in the second half. He had four yards in the second half. It doesn't really matter. He ended up with a good game.

But four yards in the second half. All doesn't really matter. He ended up with a good game. But four yards in the second half. All right. Some news and notes for you here. Brandon Cook's had a bad game, but he had 54% of Houston's receiving yards, which is, I think, somewhere in the 80s this year. At halftime, he led the Texans in receiving yards

with three. Wow. And the Bills had more catches from Davis Mills than the Texans did. Oh my gosh, it's terrible. Saints running back Tony Jones was carted off the field. Khalil Mack and Akeem

Hicks was a bad week for the Bears. Not only did they lose two running backs, but that's two of their best defensive players up front. Khalil Mack and Akeem Hicks both left with injuries. Didn't mention this when we were talking about the Bills running backs, but Devin Singletary fumbled again. Is that five, four? It's four or five already this year.

Did it go out of bounds? I don't know. Okay. All the other ones did. They didn't count. Taysom Hill had two rushing touchdowns. He played too much for Jameis Winston fantasy managers, if there are any in a single QB league.

But he started to play a lot. I don't think anything's imminent there, but he, I don't know. Winston was okay. San Francisco center Alex Mack left with a hand injury. And then, oh my gosh, did you see what Baltimore did at the end of the game with their streak?

No. Okay. They had, going into the game, a 42-game streak of 100 rushing yards. The record is held by the 70 Steelers at 43. On the last play of the game, they were at 97 yards. They had the ball up two scores.

Obvious kneel time. This is why they did that. They ran for five yards with Lamar Jackson to keep the streak alive and tie the record at 43. So dirty. We saw it happen and we didn't, we didn't have the sound on the game. We didn't realize that there was a record at stake.

Yep. And, and Pete Prisco said, if they did that to me, I'd be so upset. And I'm paraphrasing what he really did say. Are you kidding me? Participation,

Pete. Participation, Pete. Mr. Participation Trophy. Just want the other team trying as hard as they can at the end of the game. But when it's a blowout win like that, the respectful thing to do is to take a knee. Absolutely.

Not to mention you're putting Lamar Jackson in play again. So yeah, the five-yard run there puts them over 100. And ties. Maybe it had to do with the record being held by the Steelers. I don't know. But ties the Steelers,

43 straight games with 100 rushing yards. All right, let's get into the game. It'll be fun to see how they get to 100 rushing yards next week with the running backs they have. Maybe Lamar will do it all by himself. Maybe.

Dallas 36, Carolina 28. And we talked about Sam Darnold. What else we got in this game? Believe it or not, Heath. Believe it or not, you should take what you can get for Dak Prescott, Amari Cooper, and CeeDee Lamb. I don't believe it for Lamb because I don't think you're going to get that much.

I might believe it for Cooper. And I just don't think I'm going to get enough that's going to really satisfy me for Dak unless it's a two quarterback league I think the problem is and I don't this isn't for sure but if they run the offense they've run the last three weeks for a majority of the rest of the season like I know you're not going to get very much for Cooper or Liam but I think they might be like what we thought Adam you're not going to get very much for cooper or lamb but i think they might be like what we thought adam phelan was going to be coming into the year if i could just say this on lamb though three weeks ago i think he had 80 yards last week he came a inch short of a long touchdown right this week he stunk i think it's just the

forget about his production that's not what i'm talking about at all if they. I think it's just, forget about his production. That's not what I'm talking about at all. If they, we know, and it's happening again this year, you can expect about 20% of the targets each for Amore Cooper and CeeDee Lamb. That's how they're distributing the targets. If they're throwing 25 to 30 passes a game,

even 30 passes a game, that's six targets a week. That's bad. You know what else is concerning? It's I could sit here and say, I don't really buy their defense, but I don't even think that matters. I, I, I think they're going to run the ball a lot. Even when they, I mean, they get what they gave up 28 points today,

but a lot of it was late. I get so frustrated when teams have good passing games and choose to run the ball, but they're running the ball so well right now. You can't even argue with it. They are just thrashing teams. It's how they envisioned it being with that offensive line.

It's what we're used to seeing from that offensive line. Even Zeke had an explosive run today. I thought of you, Adam. But they're running the ball well. They're not throwing it as much. And the tight ends are getting involved. So it's kind of this ugly trifecta that's hurting Cooper and Lamb. So let's talk about how we value them

rest of season then. What are you thinking? First of all, is it easy to say DJ Moore just staying in this game? DJ Moore is ahead of them. Yes. And Robbie Anderson is not. No. Robbie got the targets though so i i don't know how fantasy managers are truly going to feel but my hunch is that many of them will cut him and that you will see robbie on the waiver wire in a bunch of leagues what about tyler

lockett two great games to start the season two crap games in a row now so who do you like better cooper lamb lockett lockett cooper lamb i think I'm going to go Lockett, Lamb, Cooper. All right. How about Debo Samuel or a Cowboys wide receiver? Debo, Cooper, Lamb. I think I have to say Debo, Lamb, Cooper. And I do think there are people who have Debo Samuel or Mike Williams who might think, especially if Mike Williams has a bad game this week, who might think that they are really selling

high on Debo or Mike Williams by getting Cooper or Lamb for them. And so if we're saying that's the way that you could get what you can get for them now. I know this is a bit of a separate subject, but Mike Williams and Debo are totally separate to me. Mike Williams feels so much more legit and sustainable than Debo. Agreed. In the way I see it, anyway. If he does, yes. Well, again, we'll see his fourth game, but I think so, yes.

If his fourth game is six targets with four catches for 60 yards, then it's going to feel different. Maybe, but it's just the situations. It's the faith in Herbert, basically, compared to the faith in the 49ers passing game. But I digress. Drop Robbie Anderson. He did have 11 targets.

He and DJ Moore were the only players on the team with more than five targets. So drop or stash Robbie Anderson. I think he's a drop candidate not somebody that you should absolutely get off of your team if you need the roster spot if there's somebody off the waiver wire that you like better you make the move i think we've got it we set the bar at the beginning of the show so i would drop him before miles gaskin and juju but i would drop brandon iuke before him Last question on this game. Dalton Schultz.

I think you already answered this one. I'll make you answer it again. Dalton Schultz or Dawson Knox, and I'll throw one more guy in there. Noah Fant, how would you rank them? Fant first. Schultz second. Knox third. Yep.

All right. Do you want the running back snaps for these games, Adam? Only if you think they are super relevant. Chuba Hubbard, 47% of the snaps. Rod Smith, 37% of the snaps. All of Rod Smith's snaps were pass plays. That's just

terrible for Chuba. It's really bad for Chuba. If he's a first and second down back on this team, that's not good. Yeah. Hopefully only one more game. Kansas City 42, Philadelphia. How's all your fab, Eli Mitchell and Chuba Hubbard managers?

Kansas City 42, Philadelphia. Don't be rude. It's a lesson to be learned here. We didn't know that Elijah Mitchell's shoulder was going to fall off. He still stunk against the Eagles, you know? It's true. Okay. All right, sorry. What are He still stunk against the Eagles, you know? It's true. Okay. All right, sorry.

What are you supposed to spend your fab on if you need? Listen, not that I went out and spent 90% of my fab on either of these guys. I put in a big bid for Chuba. It was probably in the 30s or something. Believe it or not, Kenneth Gainwell is the best running back on the Eagles rest of the season. I rolled my eyes at that one on Twitter.

Yeah, I can't believe that, but it's close. Here's how close it is. Sanders played 63% of the snaps to Gainwell's 40%, but in the red zone, 11 of 17 snaps for Sanders, 8 of 17 for Gainwell. So he's making inroads

like we thought Patterson was doing last week in Atlanta. He's making inroads on those high-value touches, and he's getting catches. Those are high-value touches, too. I think percentage-wise, that was the second-highest believed, believe it or not, on Twitter, at 55% believing that Gainwell would be better than Sanders. Wow.

I think, and I don't know if you guys know this, but I think he scored the rushing touchdown after a play of his own. I think he got down to the seven-yard line. Oh, it was the Philly special. Yes, that has happened to Miles Sanders so many times where they've gone hurry up after a long play over the last three years. Boston Scott used to do it to him all the time. Okay, right, but it wasn't like, all right, they huddle up and they're inside the 10-yard guy's game. I do think there is something to the fact that when teams who have Miles Sanders on their team get into the red zone and he's on the sideline, they don't think,

we should get Miles Sanders in their weight. Okay. Let's talk about Clyde Edwards-Elair here. 85% started. He ends up with 14 carries for 102 yards. And he scores a receiving touchdown at the one-yard line. But Darrell Williams was in at the goal line. Had a goal line touchdown. Was in at the goal line on multiple occasions. So I can't sit here and say Clyde's got that role.

No. And also he had two catches. So what do we do now? Just keep him? We can't just say to sell everybody, right? Some guys you just have to keep, right? Yeah. So just keep him.

But you could and maybe you should because for a guy who's now had 100-yard games with the receiving touchdown and back-to-back weeks, still playing 52% of the snaps, he was third on the team in red zone and

goal-to-go snaps at running back. Okay. Swift or Clyde? Swift. Gibson or Clyde? Swift. Swift. Gibson or Clyde? Gibson. I think Gibson will be a little higher on the trade chart.

Anything else from this game? Tyreek with a huge game. Travis Kelsey sucks, obviously. Devontae Smith had 100 yards. Oh, the tight ends are interesting, I think, with Ertz and Goddard. Yeah, you know, that's how the Eagles were attacking them for a big chunk of the game was going on to the outer edges

with the tight ends and with Devontae Smith. Loved how Devontae Smith played in this game. Loved the usage. Won some contested catches. Ertz is a thing. Goddard is still a thing. I don't think Greg Ward is really a thing. Don't really believe that Rager or Quez Watkins is going to be a thing. I don't think Greg Ward is really a thing. I don't really believe that Rager or Quez Watkins

is going to be a thing. Heath was watching Josh Gordon warm up before the game today. He had some video of Josh Gordon warming up. Oh, wow. And aren't you kind of excited maybe about him attributing to the offense, not necessarily being great for fantasy? Have you

seen the pictures of Josh Gordon in the locker room no no he's always been just like had a perfect physique and it is maybe they said he has a seven percent body fat he's 230 pounds like me and he is just ripped and he was running sprints before and he did not i don't think and they think and I'm not saying he looked like the fastest player in the NFL. He did not look like a 30 year old who hasn't played football in two years. I'm pretty excited to see

him play football again. Would you rather have him on your bench or Robbie Anderson? Oh, Josh Gordon. Okay, rapid fire questions to finish off this game. Here we go. Is Dallas Goddard okay rapid fire rapid fire questions to uh finish off this game here we go is dallas got her is dallas got her definitely the best tight end on philadelphia going forward no i can't use the word definitely uh-uh okay is should we just drop micole hardman already 51 percent rostered no well hold on how's he gonna matter how are you ever gonna feel good starting mccall hardman

with kelsey had a miserable game today and hardman still had two catches for 16 yards and now josh gordon's coming to play yeah what has he done why would you a lot of a lot of supplemental pieces in this offense i i would let hardman go before Robbie or Ayuk or maybe even Gaskin. Moving on. Here we go. Jets with a win! 27-24 in overtime over the Titans despite having the ball for more than 10 minutes less than Tennessee.

Heath, what do we got on Jets and Titans? Believe it or not, if the injury designations don't change, Josh Reynolds is going to matter in week five i guess nine targets led the team they play jacksonville yeah so he'll matter how about jeremy mcnichols getting in the game what the hell what what was that that was crazy um tennessee played 93 snaps of offense. So maybe a lot of that was just not overloading Derrick Henry. They completely dominated that game.

At one point, they had like a 10 or 12 minute advantage in time of possession. They had 120 more total yards. And they just, I think they kicked too many field goals. Yeah. And they lost to the Jets, which is no good. I'm just getting a note here from Schrager. I'm not sure a Jets fan.

What's that? I'm not sure a Jets fan. That was pretty good. I'll get to this. Remind me of the Alvin Kamara. History is made stat. Also in this game, Corey Davis with a big game. Would you rather have Corey Davis or Devante Smith?

Devante Smith. Would you rather have Corey Davis or Devante Smith? Devante Smith. Would you rather have Corey Davis or Brandon Ayuk? I might go Davis. Yeah, Davis. Do you drop Brian Tannehill? He's got the Jaguars next week, so if the receivers can get healthy, maybe he's a start. He's 94% rostered.

I wasn't laughing. I wasn't laughing at that. He's been dropped in a lot of our leagues. Yeah. People ready to let him go. There's going to come a point this year where we run to start Ryan Tannehill. He's playing Jacksonville next week.

Yeah, but he doesn't have his receivers healthy. AJ Brown's not going to be ready. Julio might be ready. Who knows? I can't say that he might be. But he's got a chance. I don't know how good to be ready Julio might be ready who knows I can't say that he might be but he's got a chance I don't know how good I'd feel about starting Tannehill without those guys even with Jeremy McNichols

another encouraging week for Michael Carter he finally scores 50% of the snaps for Carter a third of the snaps for Ty Johnson Tevin Coleman 18% but Tevin did have some short yardage goal line work toward the end of the game. Oh, Crowder.

We had talked about him. 31% rostered. Is that too high, too low? Or is that porridge just right for Jamison Crowder? Seven catches, 61 yards, and a touchdown on nine targets. Go ahead, Heath. No, I'll just say he just did what Braxton Burrios has been doing. Or at least I have been giggling at Braxton Burrios and his 22% target share.

And now if Jamison Crowder is going to have that role then yeah he's he's under under rostered yeah the cereal that comes in little o's honey nut blank how do you say that no dave you got to give him some slack because he's a former baseball analyst who knows jose burrios okay that's fine He assigned that to Braxton Barrios. Barrios. My bad, my bad. I thought that Heath was just making... You say honey, nuts, Cheerios? Cheerios.

Cheerios? Cheerios. All right, Cleveland 14. What a freaking dud. Listen, hey. Enough about Crowder. We're moving on. For God's sake.

The world wants to know about Jameson Crowder. 14-7 Cleveland. I just want everyone to know that I did not call this game the bonanza. You're probably curious. I didn't do it. It wasn't me. Horrible game for fantasy here. What do you got to believe it or not?

Kareem Hunt's better than Dick Chubb? No, no. for fantasy here uh what do you got and believe it or not the cream hunts better than dick chubb no no believe it or not odell beckham is never ever ever a must start wide receiver getting back together i never getting back together with my number two wide receiver slot yeah probably not that but when it comes to a number three receiver slot or of flex i think people will still like beckham baker had a miserable game he missed beckham on a number of throws beckham i said coming into this week beckham should have had 100 yards last week i don't think he would have had 100 yards this week but he might have come close and he should have had a touchdown so i think odell really just i i didn't say anything from odell that makes me want to not use him. But I saw a lot from Baker Mayfield that made me nervous moving forward. What about the last two and a half years of his career?

He looks better now than he ever did at any point in those last two and a half years. He's separating. He's got good speed. He's got a quarterback that's not putting the ball anywhere near his hands. He was wide open for a touchdown but that i think it's like it's really weird right like we dismissed this whole thing as it was funny baker mayfield's not really better without odell beckham but then as soon as odell beckham comes back baker mayfield can't throw the ball anymore it's well look he was 15 of 33 in the game.

I think that's a pretty good indication of how bad he was. What's Odell Beckham's problem? Look, it wasn't Beckham's fault that he was running wide open for a touchdown and Mayfield made a terrible pass. It was a disappointing game. But even the bad of Odell Beckham in Cleveland was usually a guy you could start

in a matchup like this. And still, we have never seen him without Jarvis Landry, except for these last two games. And he's got 16 targets in those two games. So I wouldn't dismiss him so quickly, guys, at the Chargers next week. If he gets eight targets next week,

it could be a lot better. If he gets eight targets next week? Yeah. He's probably going to be at five for 60, and maybe he scores. I'll give him a break. He had five for 77 on nine to five. You're probably right. All right.

Let's see. We talked about Cousins. How about Thielen? Thielen has 50 or fewer yards in three straight games. But I think we know him to be a touchdown-reliant type of fantasy option. And certainly I would expect more catches. When you say Adam Thielen has eight targets, I think, all right, well, he's going to catch five or six balls.

And he only had three today. Bad game for these two teams. Let's flush it. You don't stare at it. You flush it and you move on, right? That's what I learned recently. I believe Kareem Hunt played more snaps today than Nick Chubb. 54% for Hunt, 46% for Chubb.

They were virtually even, both in the red zone and five yards or closer to go. Giants 27, Saints 21. Anything here? Yeah, believe it or not, Kenny Galladay's back as a borderline number two wide receiver.

I don't know if I want to call him a number two receiver and we know that there's going to be some talent coming back to this offense, but for now and especially with the matchup next week against Washington that they're not. I'm sorry. That's my bad. They play Dallas next

week. That's going to. They play Dallas next week. That won't be an easy matchup for him. Why not? I don't think he'll do quite this. It's like the worst secondary in the world. Matt Ryan just torched him. Oh, no, I'm sorry. You had me confused. You put Washington in my head.

My bad. It's my fault. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Washington's defense bad. Dallas's defense pretty good. Galladay might get you six for 80 next week. He might give you what Odell, a little bit better than what he thinks Odell can get.

Can we just address the elephant in the room here, though? Like, no Shepard, no Slayton? Kind of a big deal? Sure, of course. Yeah. How about Kadarius Toney with 9 targets? You should be very happy if you have Kadarius Toney in Dynasty Leagues. That guy's going to be good. What else did you think about this game? You should be very happy if you have Kadarius Tony in Dynasty Leagues. That guy's

going to be good. What else do you think about this game? You should be very happy if you've got Saquon Barkley in your Fantasy Leagues. Because he continues to show signs of stepping it up. Alright, yeah, we should probably talk about him. 13 carries, 52 yards and a touchdown. Five catches, 70. No, there is

a lot to talk about here. Five catches, 72 yards and a touchdown. Because he still is not running the ball well. And maybe that will come back. But he's obviously, when you see the plays he makes when he finally gets into space, he's obviously still very explosive. But the question is, what kind of role will he have in the passing game when Shepard's back?

Because Shepard is just like his BFF of Daniel Jones. So if you can't get the passing game when Shepard's back. Because Shepard is just like his BFF of Daniel Jones. So if you can't get the passing game production, this guy's like three yards per carry, whatever it is. It's really bad. He was four today. Yeah, he had a 17-yard carry. It was garbage time at the end of the first half. It was his only really good carry.

Really great one, anyway. Anyway, are you just completely sold Barkley is Barkley or what I don't want to say that Barkley is Barkley but I am going to say that Barkley is a good running back who's capable of putting up fantasy points every week regardless of who he plays this was one of the toughest matchups in fantasy for a running back to have he had two total touchdowns and over 100 total yards I do think think, I'm going to do the Azar thing now. I believe in regulation, he had 12 carries, three catches, about 90 yards and one touchdown.

A very good day. Yeah. But his day became a monster day in overtime. Right. Alvin Kamara, thank you to Schrager for this stat here. This is from Mike Clay. In 71 NFL games, today was Kamara's first with more than 24 carries and also his first without at least one target.

So weird day for him, but he had a really good game, 120 yards, didn't score, no catches, very strange, but still good. I don't think that's a really good game in PPR leagues. It still was a good game for him is what I meant. He ran really well but is he a sell high candidate can you get good value for alvin camara in a trade name recognition first round pick just ran for 120 yards and had 24 carries if you're struggling

right now he's got washington week. They've got a good run defense, but he has a bye in week six. So if you really need wins, I don't know. I might want to consider it, but what would you take? Would you rather have Barkley or Camara? I think in a PPR league, I might lean toward Barkley. Okay. There's

been enough of a sample size. How many games this year does he have with more than four catches? More than four? Maybe just one? I don't't know he had three last week i don't know if he has any with more than four i don't think he does either but let me double check sometimes i misremember things all right while you look at it four three zero and no more than 29 yards receiving if you can get a decent better than decent haul for Alvin Kamara, if you're trading Kamara with getting a first-round value for him, I think you should consider it. In PPR leagues.

Because I don't think he's going to... I think Drew Brees is gone. So you think Zeke over Kamara? Yes. That's easy. Saints offense sucks. Just tell you that right now. All right, Chicago 24, Detroit 14.

I mean, Mike Thomas is a sell-high candidate because this offense sucks. We'll talk about it Wednesday. Chicago 24, Detroit 14. Heath, believe it or not. That's a good team. TJ Hawkinson is who he always was. I don't want to believe it.

I don't want to be a cowboy. I like the eight targets. I wish he had more catches. I kind of believe it, though, Heath. He's better. Who he always was is not fair. Yeah. Who he was last year.

A nice starting tight end. I don't know that i can name five guys i'd rather have ahead of him i'd still take him over dawson knox and dalton schultz for sure so you know who's ahead of him i think it's just i i think i'd take andrews but you know it's weird i think i would take andrews after two, that wasn't even a question. It was clearly Hawkinson. And now after week four, when it's clearly Andrews, it's a trap you run into in fantasy football. That's why, as I say, you take your victory laps

as soon as possible, as soon as something good happens. And if you were on the other side, you always say, I need a larger sample size. You just hope that in a couple of weeks, it turns your direction. So I guess if we were drafting tight ends again, he'd still be a top six guy. He'd be right around sixth, yeah.

Okay. Yeah, I think encouraging signs from Fields. 11 of 17, 209 yards. That's terrific. Not running, though. And yeah, do you think Justin Fields is going to hang on to the job? Do you think he's going to be the starter next week?

I think so. Yeah, I think so. At Las Vegas. It's a winnable game. And then they've got them all rolled up and ready to go to take on the Packers and get smashed. That's typically how it works in Chicago.

They build up their quarterbacks and then it's green Bay, Tampa Bay, San Francisco, Pittsburgh, four in a row. All right. Let's see if he does anything next week. Maybe we'll talk about selling.

So Colts, 27 dolphins, 17. What do we got? Yeah, it was like, believe it or not, Will Fuller is droppable. Believe it.

Heard again. I guess so. Offense is terrible. You want to talk about a terrible offense, Adam. This Dolphins offense is... Yeah, Brissette, fantasy poison. He's the worst. Fantasy poison.

He's been pretty great for Mike Gusecki. Yeah, right. He's been pretty great for Mike Gesicki. Yeah, right. He's saved his career. Yeah, I guess we could... I don't know where to go here. I mean, let's talk about Pittman. Jonathan Taylor had a good game. Naeem Hines is a pass-catching running back,

so he, of course, was a total letdown. 34% started. But let's talk about Pittman. What do you think about him? 41% started Michael Pitman. Eight targets. So that is 12, 12, and eight targets in his last three games. He had one great game.

He's been okay otherwise. Heath, what do you do with Michael Pitman? He's a number three wide receiver that you start most weeks, especially in PPR. This is like six for 59 on eight targets. He's probably right. I prefer him to Odell Beckham, but they're in the same-ish range.

I don't like him as much in non-PPR. Wouldn't start him next week in non-PPR. Would be a flex in PPR next week against Baltimore. Two weeks from now, they get Houston. I'm going to like him a lot better for that game, assuming that T.Y. Hilton isn't back by then. Should we be picking up Malcolm Brown? He is 13%

rostered. If you need a running back with a pulse, I guess. I would not drop Miles Gaskin for him. I'm waiting for this coaching staff to wake up and realize that Malcolm Brown just isn't that great.

Maybe we should be picking up savannah but who knows maybe all right really i'm good with this he's barely playing and the snap counts for the dolphins were it's i don't i don't even want to read it okay i'll read it uh malcolm brown 65 of the snaps gaskin 24 of the snaps you already know about what happened in the second half savann ahmed 10 of the snaps yeah well look we talked about how they don't they don't they're getting away from gasket and pass protection so they're trailing in this game and i guess it's not a huge surprise that malcolm brown was on the field bills 40 te Texans, 0. Davis Mills scored, I think, negative 5 fantasy points. Yikes. Brandon Cooks had 5 catches for 47 yards, which was a miracle considering the offense.

Heath, what do we got, believe it or not, for Bills and Texans? We've talked about Zach Moss. We talked about Cole Beasley. We talked about Dawson Knox. Nobody wants to talk about the Texans. We're moving on. All right, fine. Just real quick.

Are you downgrading Josh Allen at all? Because he's only had one game with more than 23 points in six-point leagues. No. Okay. You're still going to start him. He's still a top five quarterback. David Johnson led the way in snaps for Houston with 57%.

And now even the Texans don't want to use Philip Lindsay. He was down to 17%. Okay, Washington 34, Atlanta 30. Believe it or not, what do we got? Yeah. Well, we already talked about Patterson. We already talked about Pitts. We already talked about Gibson.

We already talked about McLaurin. Believe it or not, Taylor Heineke is actually a useful fantasy quarterback I believe it yeah there's obviously some lucky throws but he he's he's out there doing some good things for that offense look he obviously let you down he got the Saints coming up this week but yeah he's he is finding a way to score 23, 24, 33 fantasy points in three starts, six points for passing touchdown leagues. All right, let's talk about

Gibson because going into this game, we had said maybe, all right, this is the week you start Gibson and then you can consider getting rid of him, seeing what you can get. 14 carries, 63 yards and a touchdown, two catches, total yards. He's had 73 or more total yards in every game he's had two 100 yard games in terms of total yards do we still feel like

we're selling gibson or do we just keep them i'm not selling them i would sell them if you can get i don't give them away like but what is the rb 15 rest of season you might rest of season i don't know if he's even going to be that high there's things that we talked about with edward zeller that we didn't like that apply to gibson he's not catching the ball a ton he played 56 of the snaps in the game did leave a little bit late in the game mckissick played the final seven snaps but they were in their hurry up offense gibson might not have played anyway mckissick played 40 of the snaps overall he's sharing with jd mckissick he is getting he's getting these touchdown plays that kind of covers up the smell but those plays are good for fantasy they are good for fantasy but i don't know

if they're going to be consistent and he's not going to be a workhorse back if he's not playing 70 plus of the snaps i don't think it's in his future you can shop him around i don't think that they're not we know there's not 15 running backs that are playing 70 of the snaps there's not eight running backs that are playing if you can turn him into one who is like who i don't think the only one would be with gibson deandre swift would be like the only one that right now you could try and let's be real he's playing like 45 swift has played two pretty pretty disappointing games and two great games and we got this quote from dan campbell oh we're gonna get to see more deandre swift by the way i shouldn't have skipped over him i'm sorry about that maybe dan campbell wanted to see

more deandre swift so we had him stand next to him on the sideline yeah i'm sorry i totally glossed over him when we when we recapped that or did we not get to that game we didn't oh okay well that explains things doesn't it no i skip I think I just skipped the game. My bad. We talked a lot about Chicago players. We'll do that game after this. So anyway, Gibson or Swift, rest of season? Swift.

I think it's Swift. We did that game. I did the TJ Hawkinson. It's the same guy as always. Yeah, we did. All right, I'm sorry. You're forgiven. How about this?

It's his fault that we skipped Swift. Gibson or James Robinson, rest of season? right, I'm sorry. It's late. You're forgiven. How about this? Heath's fault that we skipped Swift. Gibson or James Robinson rest of season? Ooh, I like that one. I've got my answer. Gibson. I'm taking Robinson. Okay. Anything else from Washington?

Curtis Samuel. Curtis Samuel, 49% rostered. Should he be higher, lower, or just right? I'd rather have Jameson Crowder. Yeah. Okay, good. rostered should he be higher lower or just right I'd rather have Jameson Crowder yeah okay good you can have Jameson Crowder for his three straight good games and then then trade him for Curtis and then he either gets hurt or he maybe there are three games won't be at the

same time maybe I can have three good games of Crowder and then three good games of Samuel speaking of which I have a great fantasy football philosophy acquire if both JD McKissick and Naeem Hines and start Hines on odd weeks and McKissick on even weeks and you are just going to own it.

I don't know what happens during the bye weeks. I haven't looked up their byes, but they've been alternating. All right, we get to the late window here. Arizona 37 and the Rams 20. Believe it or not, DeAndre Hopkins is not a top 12 fantasy wide receiver. I didn't rank him as that this week. I kind of believe it.

I also believe it. There we go. I do like that he led them in targets, but it's only by one over A.J. Green. By two over Max Williams. Really? Actually, I had a real believe it or not from the article for this game, so I'll do that one as well.

Chase Edmonds and James Connor are both startable fantasy running backs. Yeah, when the match up's good. They went up against one of the... There's always good for them. You know what? Then I think I've got to believe it. up against one of the... Right. There's no matchups always good for them. You know what? Then I think I've got to believe it.

This is one of the toughest matchups for running backs, and they both did great. Look, Conor is... Edmonds, I don't think I consider really a start in non-PPR. Conor had 20 touches in this game. Yeah, look, they had the ball for 35 minutes. They destroyed. They kicked the Rams' butt.

But I don't know. Like, Connor, this was the first time where he had a lot of carries. Oh, no, I'm sorry. He had 16 in week one. Yeah, but I don't know, man. Like, he had 18 carries for 50 yards. Is that right? And two touchdowns.

If he doesn't score a touchdown, he stinks. Especially in PPR. So, I don't know. He was starting in 11% of leagues. That's four touchdowns in the last two games. It's just like Kenyon Drake except typically not getting as much work as Drake. I think he's kind of like he's a less

efficient Zach Moss. Fair. But I'm not sure if he's is he killing the clock in the fourth quarter? That might be the case. I think we did see that actually in week one. Yeah. Is he the only...

I know he's the goal line guy. What about all of the red zone? No, he's not all of the red zone, but he's the goal line guy. He's the goal line guy for sure. Look, maybe this is somebody you trade for if you're really hurting at running back and he's a potential starter for you.

Although I do have to warn you, their next four games, four of their next five games, San Fran, Cleveland, Green Bay, San Fran, with a game against Houston at home nestled in between. Yeah, they might be the best team in football right now. Is San Fran a worse matchup for running backs than the Rams? I don't think so. No.

It doesn't matter with Connor. It's not about running all over them. It's about plunging in for a one-yard touchdown. It's honest to God. It's what you need every time. If he doesn't do that, he's not going to light it up for you. Could he get you 60 total yards in a game?

Like, is his floor six in a non-PPR? Maybe. No, I don't think that's his floor could be the worst okay let's move on here um let's go to just daryl henderson i think you got to be encouraged sony michelle fumbled i'm not sure if he had another carry after the fumble but henderson had a nice game five catches 14 carries for 89 yards five catches so we'll probably be confident in him next week. Baltimore 23, Denver 7. Let's finish up, guys. A few minutes here.

Go ahead. Believe it or not, Noah Fant is the only fantasy starter on the Broncos. Is that with Drew Locke or is that just period? Is that what? With Drew Locke or just period? Period. I think he's the only must start

and it has we're not counting flexes let's just say like fantasy starters oh yeah this this split touch with Melvin and Javante Williams needs to be either one of them away I think Melvin Gordon be good

I think I think Gordon would be good. I think he would take more work away from whoever they would use behind him. I think Mike Boone might be ready to play. So if Javante Williams went away, Melvin would be in that 65% range. I do think we need to be careful. We've got a couple of examples of this. But Cortland Sutton has basically only been good against jacksonville yeah it's disappointing uh okay seattle 28 san francisco 21 uh yeah let's see believe it or not man we, we did Trey Lance. We did Trey Sermon. We did Kittle.

We did most of this game. Is there a Kittle, believe it or not? Yeah, believe it or not, Trey Lance is going to ruin George Kittle. It's the reason why we had Kittle at three coming into the year. And I think it's possible. I think it's possible that Lance can really hurt all the pass catchers. I will say, because I did this for Justin Fields, so in defense of Trey Lance,

there was a ball that hit both of George Kittle's hands in the end zone. I wouldn't call it a drop because the defender knocked it away, but he did hit Kittle in the end zone in the hands. Yeah. Yes. Everybody thought that the Dwelly touchdown was a kittle touchdown including the stats feed from the nfl they originally gave it to kittle instead of the dwelly that one stunk oh that one really is well on that mistake i i'm gonna finish with a with a

stat correction question for you guys uh all right so we talked about that game a little bit we've really covered almost everyone in this game. Chris Carson, Metcalf. Metcalf has 65 or fewer yards in three of four games. You guys worried at all about him? I'm a little worried about both receivers here, but not to the point where I'm dumping them off my team. Okay. Finally, Green Bay 27, Pittsburgh 17.

I believe they're not nausea here. This is a sell high. I'm not going to. I don't think he's a sell high. I think there's going to be a lot of ugly games, but I think he's locked in. All six of his catches came in the second half. I think he's locked into playing a ton.

Another game with over 70% of the snaps for Najee, and he gets a lot of touches week in and week out. That's how I feel. Yeah. I think I'd rather have Gibson. I'm afraid this thing gets even worse in Pittsburgh. I think

it's my fear. And it's already so bad. It's spiraling. They are definitely people that want to make the quarterback change, you know, according to the reporting. They didn't look like they were all best friends today. Like us?

Well, they're losing, and it's obvious why they're losing. I totally get it. Could you turn Najee Harrison to Gibson and another player? Like a bench guy. Yeah, I think so. I think today you might be able to turn him into Swift and another player. Now that I like.

Love that DeAndre Swift. Okay, folks, that's it for today's show. I did want to ask you guys the John Ross touchdown catch. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a stat correction on that. It's currently a touchdown catch, right? Yes. But I think, I thought he may have fumbled it and recovered it in the end zone,

which I don't think is going to matter to anyone except Daniel Jones to QB leagues or something. But I thought they had said on the broadcast that they took the day. In fact, Kenny Albert said something like, if you have Daniel Jones on your fantasy team, well, they took away the touchdown. But I kept looking and they never took took the day. In fact, Kenny Albert said something like, if you have Daniel Jones on your fantasy team, well, they took away the touchdown, but I kept looking and they never took away the touchdown.

So just a heads up to you. There could be a stat correction there. Ross made a catch. It's like something almost 60 yards. And he came loose just before the goal line. He recovered in the end zone right now. It's a touchdown. It might not be a Daniel Jones touchdown.

Danny, Danny dived through her 402 yards today. Yes, a touchdown. It might not be a Daniel Jones touchdown. Danny Dines threw for 402 yards today. Yes, he did. It was really incredible. We just have to stay away from him and not call him a streamer. No, he played really well. Alright, we're out of here, everybody. We will talk to you tomorrow on

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