Fantasy Football Today - Week 5 Recap! Breece Hall, Caleb Williams, Injuries and More (10/06 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: October 7, 2024

Our biggest winner is Brian Thomas Jr. (2:15)! Our biggest loser is Travis Etienne (3:05). And we talk about plenty of players who are not on the Jaguars! It was an exciting week of football and we're excited to chat about it and play some Buy or Sell (8:00) on Breece Hall, Garrett Wilson, Jayden Reed and more ... News and notes (15:55) and more winners (20:10) including Brandon Aiyuk and Caleb WIlliams and losers (29:10) including Amari Cooper and Zack Moss. Then we go through the Top 5 players at each position (35:00) and tell you who stood out. Big days for Joe Flacco, D'Andre Swift, Tee Higgins and Brock Bowers ... Recapping each game with our Fantasy thoughts (42:55) ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I had no idea. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races, and he stays on his feet. He's just going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Yeah, that was a fun Sunday, and it is Sunday night, and we are chatting about it here on Fantasy Football Today, presented by BETT MGM, the sportsbook born in Vegas.

People tell me to get the show on the road. Come on, we just got off the air. We were doing a little FFT Express. It was like a rehearsal for the big show. Anyway, Adam, Dave, and Heath here. Jamie is on his way. He leaves the office Sunday night and goes back home and then records, so that's why he runs a little bit late. But, yeah, we're waiting for him anyway we're not waiting for him uh let's get right into it dave richard who's our biggest winner biggest winner well i mean the biggest winner of the entire weekend yeah so far that's what you want yeah

yeah yeah remember you sent me winners yeah i'm not going to give you the guys that i gave you for the winners oh but why don't you ever choose the biggest one because adam should start with the biggest one oh it's my call i think so all right fine brian thomas jr is the biggest winner okay freaking man and i'm gonna go right to this buyer sell i got some buyer sells from the audience. Buyer sell Brian Thomas Jr. This is from Camp Calhoun. Brian Thomas Jr. is the second best rookie wide receiver rest of

season. Yeah, you can buy it. I'd still go third. Only 10 points behind neighbors now. Was ours per game? It was per game though, right? Oh, I don't think so.

Oh, come on. No, I think he's probably still third, but he's awesome and I love him. All right, yeah, he had a great day. Heath, who's the biggest loser? Oh, like of the whole weekend or just just like of the show do you want me to um if i'm going with the biggest loser i'm stealing dave's i went third today sitting in mine so i think the biggest loser was travis etn oh yeah oh god say like saved by the bell saved by the targets still scored 12 PPR fantasy

points because he had a 20% target share. Um, but tank Bixby for the second week in a row ran so much better than Travis ETN scored two touchdowns. Looks absolutely awesome. ETN had six carries for 17 yards i think we got another the problem is we've got another set of teammates that we're going to rank between running back 20 and running back 28 every week and it's going to be kind of annoying i would like to bring back a

segment heath's believe it or not heath believe believe it or not. This quote from Doug Peterson. Tell me if you believe it. When he was asked about moving forward with Bigsby is the one a, he said, quote, no, not at all. Travis is our guy.

Tank had a good game. That's just the way games go. Happy for tank. Great for the offensive line, but no, Travis is our guy and tank had a good game today. I still expect Travis Etienne to play the most snaps. I still expect him to dominate passing downs.

And like I said, I mean, looking at this game, you would think Tank Bigsby, top 20 running back, Travis Etienne, PPR flex at best. I still think they're going to be very, very close on a week-to-week basis. They were very close today.

Bigsby, 40% of the snaps. ETN, 39%. They each had one of two snaps inside the five. But here's something that stood out to me. ETN played five of 28 snaps in the second half. Wow. Feels like they're going to go hot hand, which makes me nervous about starting either one of them.

Yeah, well, Bigsby doesn't do enough in the passing game yet. And Etienne, I just want to bring this up. He had, what did he have, six catches, right? Six catches? Six for 43. All of them were on first and second down. So I don't know if that means anything, but he's not even really the third down back necessarily

because they'll bring in Dearness Johnson. And Bigsby, 13 carries, 101 yards, two touchdowns after seven for 90 at Houston the week before. So this was against the Colts. Not a good defense, but he's running better. There's no question he's running better. And I really think, based on what I've seen the last two weeks, okay, I feel 60%

confident that if they had first and goal from the one-yard line, Tank Bigsby would be the guy to get that carry. I think he might get it 60% of the time. Yeah, I think that... 60% of the time, it's every time. It's every time. All right, so those we have more players that aren't on

the Jaguars to talk about. Also, I want to talk about CBS Sports HQ because you're sitting there. It's Sunday. There's a lot of stuff you missed. There was a great baseball game going on during the football game, the Phillies with a walk-off win. There's a lot to catch up on. There's hockey and basketball.

There's probably golf. I don't know. But watch CBS Sports HQ. Is there golf, Shaver? No golf? No golf. No golf's over, golf's over. Golf's over?

Okay. But when there is golf, CBS Sports HQ is all over it. They've got really the best coverage of sports. So just check it out. And it's on the CBS Sports app. Give it a watch. And you'll be like, whoa, this is exactly the kind of sports coverage that I'm looking for. Now, if you haven't signed up for BetMGM yet, use the bonus code FANTASY,

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the Colts and the Jaguars. That was a bonanza. The Giants with a very surprising performance out in Seattle. I'm excited to talk about those running backs because I personally would like to see Tyrone Tracy be the lead running back for the Giants. He looks really, he looked great today. You had another good day from DeAndre Swift. Is it just because he took advantage of the matchup or is this going to continue? All right, that's coming up. Let's do a little buy or sell and talk about some first round picks. Buy or sell from Moe. Buy low on Bijan and

Brees Hall. Sell high on Garrett Wilson. Brees Hall, in his last two games, has 19 carries for 27 yards and 5 catches for 28 yards against the Broncos and Vikings. Garrett Wilson had 13 catches, 101 yards, and a touchdown on 22

freaking targets today. And he gets the Bills and the Steelers and the Patriots next week, next three weeks. All three of them. He can overcome that. Triple coverage. Anyway, so the buy or sell is

buy low on Bijan and Brees, sell high on Garrett Wilson. So if you can turn Garrett Wilson into one of those running backs and you throw in something with Garrett Wilson, then yeah, you can probably do that just on the hunch that the jets are going to get Devante Adams, because if they do that, I know that there was a great game today for, for Garrett Wilson.

And finally he's over 15 PPR points, but I think it's going to be the Aaron Rogers and Devante Adams show. If Devante goes to the Jets. If Devontae doesn't go to the Jets, then maybe you're making a mistake by getting rid of Garrett Wilson because he's going to get like a 40% target share every single week, I guess, moving forward. But I would definitely try and move Garrett Wilson based on this game. And we do need to talk about Brees Hall. Yeah. So you still have, you said Wilson and something you're saying you still have both B John and

Brees ahead of Wilson on the trade chart. I mean, I haven't started messing with the trade chart in your mind. Yeah. So I, in my mind, yes, he's still going to be,

I'm going to have a hard time raising the value on Garrett Wilson, knowing that there could be a pretty big anvil dropping on his head. By the way, let's have some trivia. Who has more fantasy points? Bijan Robinson in week five or Brees Hall over his past two games? In PPR? In PPR. Brees Hall.

Bijan. Bijan by two tenths of a fantasy point. Yeah. And the other thing about Garrett Wilson, just to keep in mind, and this would apply to Brees Hall too, is that Aaron Rodgers is obviously playing through stuff. And he has now an ankle sprain. He's grabbing the back of his legs.

So they have a good backup to Rod Taylor, but I think you still want Aaron Rodgers out there for sure. It looked like Aaron Rodgers' career was over because he got bent all backwards and limped off the field. There was a turnover. There was a penalty

on running into the kicker. The Jets kept the ball. Rodgers goes right back out there and he finishes the game. Very funny kind of series of events that ended up there. But you're right. Like that's going to be another issue with anybody who's catching. Oh, he's here. Stop talking about him.

Yeah, buddy. Jamie's here. Jamie's here. What's up, Jamie? All right. Yo. Next buyer. I think he's at 100.

Oh, my God. You crushed me. Why'd you start Evan Ingram? Okay. Here's up, Jamie? Yo! I beat you by 100. Oh my God, you crushed me. Why'd you start Evan Ingram? Okay, here's why I started Evan Ingram. Because, no, because I didn't want to drop anyone. I knew I had almost no chance to win. I had the worst team, and I was like, I'm not going to drop someone. Can I tell you something similar?

I had a very similar situation, and I dropped Cam Akers, which I didn't want to do. But I did it because I needed to pick up somebody to win, and I won. Good, but I know I wasn't going to win. I never tried to lose. I wasn't trying to lose. I'm not going to drop someone just to pick up some bum tight end who's going to get me six points.

All right, Pat. I picked up that bum, Demarcus Robinson, against Robert Turbin in FFT. Did you win? Not yet, but I've got a chance. All right, you called a touchdown. Very nice.? Not yet, but I've got a chance. All right. You called a touchdown. Very nice.

Okay, listen. Jaden Reed from Pat Kenny. Jaden Reed is a top 10 wide receiver rest of season. Buy or sell? I ranked him that way this week. I think he'll be close to it. He's great. I'll buy it.

I will sell because they're going to get some injured guys coming back. He's not better than A.J. Brown. He's not better I'll buy it. I will sell because they're going to get some injured guys coming back. He's not better than A.J. Brown. He's not better than the Rams guys. He's not better than Nico Collins when he's healthy. He's not better than Leak Neighbors. He's close. Top 20.

It's just amazing that he's making the most incredible plays, but he makes them almost every week, and it's not the kind of stuff that you want to bank on. But that catch he made today was just, I mean, that was a great catch, but it was just bad defense. But I mean, three guys were standing right there. Yeah. I mean, they have so much air on it.

They were like, where the hell's the ball? But yeah, it was a great play. I'll do one more buy or sell here before we go to break. Buy or sell from Devin. Javante Williams, Garrett Wilson, and Trevor Lawrence have turned the corner and will be more reliable rest of season. Javante Williams, Garrett Wilson, and

Trevor Lawrence have turned the corner and will be more reliable rest of season by herself. They all feel like sell-highs to me. Trevor Lawrence gets the Bears next week. Nobody's going to start him in that game. Or should. Javante, I think as long as there's only

two guys involved, he's in a good spot. Yeah. I'll buy Javante. Who's the third one? Garrett Wilson. No, because if they trade for Javante Adams, he stinks. Yeah. I'm buying Javante, but that's it. Man. Bo Nixicks i know it was the raiders boom it nicks made some really nice throws today like he could he should have had a lot better

day than he had bo nicks also stole a touchdown from giovante it just sucks let me tell you something about giovante it's two weeks in a row where both he and mclaughlin have had their goal line chances or their inside the five chances and And Javante's come really close. And then on the next play, you get a touchdown from Jaleel McLaughlin. So if one or both of those touchdowns was going to Javante, we might be talking about him as a sell high or something like that or a must start. But it's been pretty close to like really, really good production,

at least this week. You know, last week, I think if I recall, the yards were bad against the Jets was terrible. But it's kind of frustrating. It's like he totally dominates the carries, but then they seem to split near the goal line, which is weird, but it is what it is. All right.

Can we do this one in 30 seconds? Buy or sell from PJ. Kyler Murray will not finish as a top 12 quarterback, and I will say this one came in in like the third quarter when Kyler was not having a very good game. But buy or sell, Kyler Murray will not finish as a top 12 quarterback. So if we sell, that means he will? Yes.

Yeah, I'll sell. Sell. He had 25 fantasy points. Yes. He also ran more today than he has in the last couple weeks. And I think the fact that he had a game without McBride, Marvin Harrison's still a rookie, that's improving. He missed Michael Wilson on a big play down the field today. So, yeah, I'll take him as a top-toe guy

if somebody's willing to sell him. All right, that's Kyler Murray, and that is the end of our first segment. We'll be back with news and notes, winners, losers, top five at each position, a breakdown of every game, and we'll be right back on FFT. Did you know that across Ontario, utility damage happens 19 times a day? That's over 4,222 incidents a year.

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So Aaron Rodgers has an ankle injury. He did return to the game. They get Buffalo next week. Aiden O'Connell replaced Gardner Minshew. Antonio Pierce did not commit to a quarterback for next week yet. They are playing the Steelers. Can they trade Adams and both quarterbacks for a quarterback? Jameis Winston came in late for Deshaun Watson in a blowout

and completed one pass for 16 years. What if they get Terod Taylor back for Minshew and Adams? Like, Taylor, Mike Williams, because that's part of the deal reportedly. Taylor, Mike Williams, and a pick. Okay. I like it. It feels like a fantasy trade, but I like it. Bryce Young

came in late in the game for Andy Dalton. Probably just because these were blowouts. Running back news. Devon Achan left with a concussion. Zach Moss left with an ankle injury. Achan's going into his bye week. Zach Moss has the... Achan Moss came back.

He did come back, but Heath was taught... You want to break this down, Heath? He came back and had a carry, but Chase Brown had all the overtime rush attempts and I think had all the carries but one after that ankle injury. Yeah, let's just make that a permanent thing. Well, who was it?

Joe Mixon came back in the game after he had his high ankle sprain. It looked just like that. Yeah, it looked really bad. So I would not, yeah, I think we should not expect Moss. Oh, Dave, maybe what I said in the room is going to happen.

What'd you say? Dave and Pete were asking, giving me a hard time, mostly Pete, about my start of the week. And I said, oh, I'll probably just make Chase Brown because it's a Sunday night game. Yeah. I already called the start of the week

for next week. Next week's Sunday night. Oh, it's the same game. You're talking about adding another door. Same game. Heath is all about for next week. Next week's Sunday night. Oh, it's the same game. You're talking about adding another door to the room. Same game. Oh, Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones. Heath is all about Daniel Jones. He loves Daniel Jones.

Double title of the week, Jamie. Go for it. The Broncos, the Bengals stink. Yeah, the Bengals are not going to one and five. Like, they're definitely winning. Them losing was the worst thing that could have happened

to the Giants. They are the team to beat. So, also Aaron Jones left with a hip injury they're going to know without malik neighbors they're going to thereby yeah wild game bad loss for the seahawks um all right so aaron jones devon h and zach moss those are the three running back injuries we're keeping an eye on right now nico collins has a hamstring injury i you know it's weird because if you listen to fft express i'm saying the same things but i just can't believe how disappointing tank dell was yes but i have him in one league and i am

definitely starting him next week i just first of all my team sucks but i'm definitely stuck you're starting in a nico place no but hamstring injury i don't know i'm just kind of feeling like there's going to be a miss there, but obviously I'm guessing. I would guess he sits because they could beat the Patriots without him. And then I still think you're taking a chance starting Tank Dell because the Patriots, that could be a game where Stroud doesn't have to do a whole lot. Well, it depends if it makes him plays or not.

Yeah, that would also hurt them. Gabe Davis left in the fourth quarter. I don't see any tight end injuries. Not a lot of injuries the fourth quarter. I didn't see any tight end injuries. Not a lot of injuries, knock on wood. Didn't see any tight end injuries. Gabe Davis played in the first three quarters? He did. Yeah.

He had a fumble, right? He did fumble. He sure as hell fumbled. I'm kidding. And he had three catches for 38 yards in that fumble. I can't believe he spent it. Did we find out that Jordan Whittington was hurt? No, I don't know.

He left the final play, right before the final play. Okay. I'll look for it. Other news to keep an eye on, Cleveland had a bad day. I think their center got hurt. Their safety, Grant Delpit, was evaluated for a head injury. Denzel Ward, their best cornerback, he left with an injury. Houston safety, Jimmy Ward, left with a groin injury. Seattle cornerback, Reek Woolen, left with a head injury. Denzel Ward, their best cornerback, he left with an injury. Houston safety, Jimmy Ward, left with a groin injury.

Seattle cornerback, Reek Woolen, left with an ankle injury. They have a Thursday game against San Francisco. San Francisco had some injuries. Talanoa, Hufana, he left with a... Hufanga? He left with a wrist injury. What is it, Dave? Hufanga.

Yeah, I spelled it. I left the G out. I knew it didn't sound right. He left with a wrist injury. Their kicker left, Jake Mo Yeah, I spelled it. I left the G out. I knew it didn't sound right. He left with a wrist injury. Their kicker left, Jake Moody. He got hurt. And Miami safety, Javon Holland, left with an injury. All right, let's go to some winners and losers.

And Jamie, you can start it off. Boy, as someone who has Debo Samuel in a couple leagues, was not happy that it was such a big Brandon Ayuk game, but it was definitely an Ayuk game. Eight for 147 on 11 targets against the Cardinals. And do you think this is kind of going to be random? One of them is going to be bad every week between the

three big pass catchers? I mean, Purdy was bad today. Let's see how they bounce back. I think it's a good matchup against Seattle, especially if they're down woolen on a short week. The only thing that's so weird right now watching San francisco is they're not making plays after the catch the yards after catch is not there for them and so will that start to change um mcafree is not going to play this

week but he's reportedly potentially back after week six so does that change some things with the offense i wanted to do there but in terms of iuk this this was coming you know he wasn't going to be this bad for this long and so it felt like he was on pace for 200 yards and he had yards in a quarter and a half um he was on pace for a 200 yard game so they they kind of i think just either cardinals figured them out or uh pretty stopped throwing or whatever it was just a bad second half across the board in any event um i think you just view iuk and you view iuk and samuel as most likely depending on how many teams are on a buy and what the injuries are as number two receivers and kittles another one tight end and yes there's probably going to be one guy that disappoints on a weekly basis i think you're right about that yak only iuk iuk had one

catch where he got a lot of yards after but i I think that was about it for the whole game. Well, remember, they've changed for whatever reason. They're throwing the ball downfield so much. The more you throw downfield, the less yak you're typically going to have. Heath, I'm sorry. I have to apologize to you. I dropped Caleb Williams in our 10-team Superflex League this morning. That's a good choice.

And he's one of Jamie's winners. So, my bad. How are you dropping Caleb Williams in a super flex league? We have four quarterbacks. This is the same league that Adam once called me an idiot moron for dropping elite quarterback Carson Wentz.

Can I tell you who I picked up, though? Carson Wentz? Tank Bigsby. Tank Bigsby. Okay? Did you start him? No. Okay. Great. So, what you're saying is, just so I understand this, you would rather have Tank Bigsby than Okay? Did you start him? No. Okay. Great. So what you're saying is, just so I understand this, you would rather have Tank Bigsby than Caleb Williams in a Super Flex League. He's our fourth quarterback.

So, look, okay, he's your winner today. Let's be real. He has been crap this year. Who are your other three? Well, two of his last three games, he's been good. Who are your other three? 21.3 fantasy points on 52 pass attempts against the Colts does not fire me up.

It doesn't matter. Don't worry about my team. Let's talk about Caleb Williams because he comes out with his best. It may not fire you up, but that's better than Patrick Mahomes.

So I would take Caleb Williams right now over Patrick Mahomes. Okay, that's fine. But I'm just saying this was by far his best game and it was against his easiest opponent by far,

I'd say, in Indianapolis bad too. But do you think he's just the matchups guy or what for Caleb Williams who has Jacksonville next week? He's absolutely just a matchup guy at this point. But in super flex in two quarterback leagues, he's a must-start quarterback. So I think in terms of how you're viewing him, he's getting better. And that's the best part of this.

Last week, the run games got solved and it carried over to this week. The offensive line is starting to protect a little bit better. He had a huge game connecting with DJ Moore today, which was been, you know, somewhat of an issue. So that's a positive in the right direction. And hopefully as Keenan Allen gets through this heel injury and maybe starts to look like himself again, because week one, remember he led the team targets and Romo Dunzey, who's a rookie starts to get a little bit better, more acclimated to the league.

We start to see even more of these performances from Caleb Williams. So I think he's trending in the right direction. He's not a must-start quarterback by any stretch, but next week, if you're stuck, you would love to start him against Jacksonville because Joe Flacco just tore apart this team, and while Caleb Williams won't do that,

he's still capable of 20-plus fantasy points. You left part of the story out. Are you kidding me we had four quarterbacks rostered in this league joe burrow and justin fields who we started that's fantastic we have amy dalton on our bench and you dropped Caleb Williams. Are you kidding me?

Caleb's been really bad. You idiot moron. He's not even asking. Hey, man, you think we should drop Caleb Williams or Andy Dalton? But you don't even make any transactions. I'm the only one who makes transactions. Was it like 1253 and you went into a fit of panic like what's the thought process the thought process is honestly caleb williams before like let's let's go there's no way caleb

williams gonna do something against the panthers that makes me regret this but andy dalton against the bears i don't believe it i'm not playing it week to week i'm not playing it week to week. I'm not playing it week to week like that. I'm taking the longer view here. Yeah, the longer view. Why wouldn't I take the longer view? Caleb Williams. This isn't a dynasty league. This isn't a dynasty league.

Look, just rewind 12 hours before the game started today. Caleb Williams was having a bad season. Andy Dalton was playing better than him. Andy Dalton was playing better than Caleb Williams. Oh, boy. He was. I mean, you can't deny that. This is revisionist history.

It's revisionist history. It is. They both have the same amount of games all 25 years. Each of the past two weeks. He played twice as many games as Dalton. Dalton's best team. He's also twice the age of Caleb Williams. All right.

Dave's winners are DJ Moore and Chase Brown. Who's the quarterback again? I know it's not Andy Dalton. Yes. Go ahead. Normally, my winners are guys who's like fantasy values change. Everybody's starting DJ more anyway, but we can feel a lot better about it. He's had at least eight targets now in four or five games.

I think he's pretty clearly a, the lead wide receiver for Caleb Williams and B among his best downfield threats. I don't know when it's going to, when the light switch will go on for a dunes a, to do what he did against Indianapolis. Maybe it's going to take another injury to Keenan Allen. I don't know when Allen is going to be his old self again, that might not come. So I think DJ more is just going to continue to be the main catalyst of

this passing game and the guy that Caleb Williams trusts moving forward. So that's why DJ more is one of my winners. And Chase Brown is obviously going to be a winner of Zach Moss's time, but he probably would have been a winner anyway. Yes. And it was actually shocking to me because I watched that game. It was shocking that Zach Moss played like two thirds of the snaps. I actually didn't think he played that much.

It really felt like Chase Brown was working like all the running downs early on. It didn't work out that way, but Zach Moss, he's the better passing downs running back. He will still have a role there provided that he's healthy, but Chase Brown just looks like the better running back. He was in a bunch of high value situations, caught a touchdown in short yardage, had a two point conversion from the one. He's Cincinnati's best running back. And I think we need to be serious about ranking him as a number two running back, even when Zach Moss is healthy. All right. Uh, Heath's winners are Daniel Jones, who scored 26.1 fantasy points at Seattle and Tucker craft, who had one huge play,

but two touchdowns, five targets. He turned it into four catches, 88 yards, and two touchdowns at the Rams. And he gets the Cardinals next week. Yeah, so Daniel Jones and Tucker Kraft. Go ahead, Heath. Yeah, I mean, Tucker Kraft, I think you say five targets, and that's like, oh, is it really sustainable? But it was only on 26 pass attempts for Jordan Love. So it's probably even a higher rate than his nine last week on 54.

A clear top tight end for the Packers. And unlike Dontavian Wicks doing something with his extra opportunity, catching the passes that are thrown his way and hit him in the hands, must start tight end until he proves this, until he proves otherwise, probably for two weeks. Like I'm not going to take him out of the top 10 after he has one bad game because all the tight ends have at least one bad game. Daniel Jones has been playing better and better football in this new system,

and it was easy to say, well, yeah, it's all because of Malik Nabors. Malik Nabors is amazing, and Malik Nabors is amazing, but he did it without Nabors today, and he gets the Bengals next week, and you could actually consider starting Daniel Jones. How about this? Daniel Jones has at least 22 fantasy points in three of his last four games. Mm-hmm.

And three of his next four matchups are pretty favorable. Cincinnati, Philadelphia, at Pittsburgh, no, and then Washington. Okay, losers. His best game was today without Malik Mabers. It wasn't just his best game of the year. It was his best game since the playoff game against the Vikings. He was actually legitimately good today,

but today is a weird day. Losers. Heath, you have Christian Kirk and Amari Cooper. They were started in 79% of leagues for Kirk, 86% of leagues for Cooper. Go ahead. Kirk salvaged his day a

little bit because he had a 61 yard reception, but that is not something you can count on Christian Kirk doing on a regular basis. Just four targets in this game. Brian Thomas is the clear number one wide receiver and Kirk needs to be like a one B at worst to have a chance because he's generally not super efficient in turning his fantasy targets into fantasy points. I think he's a low end number three wide receiver in weeks where we have most of our wide receivers healthy and not on a buy. Um, I'm already Cooper. Like he's still got the targets, but if he's not going to convert them into production against the Washington commanders, if that offensive line can't protect Deshaun Watson against the Commanders,

if Watson can't hit wide receivers against the Commanders, and I don't know how we ever believe until he proves it. Oh, we'll believe in him when the Bills or Chiefs make a call and he's on one of those teams soon. That would be wonderful. Could happen. And both teams should. Yeah.

Hey, going back to the first loser, Kirk, what happens to his targets when Evan Ingram comes back? They're not going to go up. Is it going to affect Brian Thomas? I don't think so. I think Brian Thomas is that dude. And I think the Jaguars know it. All right.

Dave's losers are Brees Hall, who we talked about, and Travis Etienne, who we talked about. dave you can you can get a snack we we didn't get into breese hall that much and i i'm not gonna try and say that everything's fine with breese hall i think the issue for the jets has to do more with the offensive line than it does with either of their running backs because it's not like Braylon Allen is crushing it and Brees Hall sucks, but they, they just, they can't run the ball right now. It's, it's pretty gross. And I don't know how people are going to feel great about Brees Hall. And already I've gotten posts on X about, well, is this the time to buy low on Brees

Hall? Yes. I'm not, I'm not sure. Next week, they get Buffalo. It's as good a matchup as you'll find. They allow the most fancy points, running backs. He's still going to share, and he's getting all the high-value touches, but right now, it's going to be in there.

I'd be buying because he's never going to be this cheap. Would you pay third-round value for him? 100%. I'm a little hesitant. Third round value, yes. I'm not sure I'd pay second, but I'd pay third. Okay.

Well, now it's on the Brees Hall manager. Is he going to accept third? I don't know. Maybe. This wasn't an easy matchup. Next week is easy. Especially if Oliver stays out. Yeah, I don't know if it's coincidence or not,

but it seems like when they lost their right tackle, Morgan Moses. Yeah. But again, I don't know. Is Morgan Moses really the reason why the Jets aren't? No, I just don't think the passing game work has disappeared, which is frustrating. He's sharing with Braylon Allen, which is clearly frustrating. But I mean, you look at it again.

This Broncos defense is probably not got the respect that we, certainly at the time, and the weather was a factor there. We knew that the Minnesota defense was going to struggle. So next week is telling. If he can't do it against Buffalo, then you, either if you trade for him now, then you made a mistake. But, I mean, between Dario Gumuale and Cam Akers, they had success and those are combined nowhere near Brees Hall. Okay.

Casey in the chat says, Adam just offered me Justin Jefferson and Caleb Williams for Peyton Barber and Andy Dalton in the FFT open. Jamie's losers are Deontay Johnson and Zach Moss. Zach Moss is a, we've, we've talked about that, but what do you think about Deontay Johnson? Three catches for Zach Moss, we've talked about that. But what do you think about Deontay Johnson?

Three catches for 23 yards on six targets at the Bears. We took the over and the props. We lost this one. We had a good week, though. But, yeah, you going to go back to him against Atlanta next week? 100%. But at some point, it was going to either run into a tough matchup or Andy Dalton was going to struggle or both, and that's what happened today.

So I wouldn't panic, but it wasn't just going to be okay. Any dolls there. And he's the best receiver in fantasy. And so the bears are good. And Jalen Johnson's good. And this is a secondary that, you know,

you might want to consider not necessarily avoiding the slam dunks, but the, the, the next tier down, uh, they could be in a little bit of trouble. Like Brian Thomas. I don't,

I don't think is someone you're sitting, but just probably lower expectations because the secondary is good. All right. Take a little time out here on fantasy football today. We'll give you the top five at each position and we will give you a thought on each game when we come back. Okay. So at quarterback,

who are the top five? What do you think, guys? Joe Flacco. He is number four. Kyler Murray. Burrow. Kyler Murray did not crack, not even close. Lamar and Burrow.

Lamar and Burrow. Lamar and Burrow are one. Burrow is one. Lamar is three. Oh, Cousins had five. Cousins. Yes, he's number two. Joe Flacco is four. and baker mayfield is five

burrow cousins jackson flacco mayfield i asked this to heath on fft express he doesn't think the answer is yes do it i'll ask you guys do we have a quarterback controversy in indianapolis so uh our former colleague many years ago greg dole, who's a columnist for the Indianapolis Star, he wrote that the Colts should play Joe Flacco now and develop Anthony Richardson for next year because he missed his essentially development year because his rookie campaign was cut short with a shoulder injury. So let him get a lot of practice time under his belt and you try and win right now with Joe Flacco. There's clearly two different schools of thought depending on how you feel about that. You're the Colts. Do you want to try and develop him while playing him? Or do you want to give him an opportunity to learn under Flacco and maybe not have to deal with some of the injuries since he's not going to be a hundred percent and Flacco clearly can get some wins if he plays the way that he plays. I think if you are in the Michael Pittman, Josh Downs camp,

you obviously want to see Joe Flacco as the starting quarterback. If you are in the Michael Pittman, Josh Downs camp, you obviously want to see Joe Flacco as the starting quarterback. If you are in the Anthony Richardson camp, clearly you want to see him play. So at this point, I would probably play Flacco for at least one more week. They're two and three. They take on the Titans and the Dolphins in week six and seven. So I would go Titans with Flacco and Richardson, give them another week to get the hip healthy, because that's a much easier opponent. Titans are going to be tough on him no matter who's quarterback there. I mean, I think they could win with either quarterback against Miami, and I think they do need Flacco if they want to knock off Tennessee. I kind of agree.

Let's roll with Flacco. They're not a contender. After two weeks. They have one of the worst defenses in the NFL. You don't bench the kid with this defense so that you could, Joe Flacco can maybe carry you to a wild card loss. All right, let's move on.

My feelings. We'll see what happens. Yeah. I guess it was a tough question because we don't really know the answer. If they lose those next two games, then it's going to be Richardson moving forward. You also just lost an offensive lineman and you had one missing from the game.

Do you really want to throw Richardson out there against that front? All right, let's go to the running backs, the top five running backs. Actually, so far, it's a pretty lousy week for running backs, honestly. There's only one running back that scored more than 20 fantasy points in PPR non-decimal scoring, and he is? Bigsby. Yeah, better than Caleb Williams. Tank Bigsby, 25 points.

After that, DeAndre Swift, Ramondre Stevenson. How about that? Trey Sermon, six catches for him. He also scored a touchdown. Trey Sermon was top five. Chuba Hubbard and James Cook tied with Trey Sermon. But Heath, DeAndre Swift backing it up with 21 carries, 73 yards and a touchdown. Two catches, 47 yards.

And also, Roshon Johnson scored two touchdowns. They had three rushing. Yeah, I know, I know. But what do you think about Swift going forward? I benched Roshon Johnson for Emmanuel Wilson. That felt pretty good today in a league. I think you just view DeAndre Swift almost right back where he was when we drafted him. Like an RB2 that's going to have some spike weeks and some awful weeks.

And that's exactly what he's done. And I think there are more spike weeks and more awful weeks to come. I think he's the bear that's benefited from the matchups the last two weeks. And he'll benefit again against the Jaguars in London. Jaguars don't have that bad of a run defense, gotta say. I mean, Trey Sermon

just finishes a top five passing run. Yeah, but he didn't run well against them. He had 10 carries for 38 yards and a touchdown and six catches for 25 yards. But they are a bad defense,

so you can score on them. Counterpoint, it's Trey Sermon. Ramondre Stevenson, though, you know, that's a nice response from from him he had 12 carries for 89 yards gibson had six carries for 52 yards stevenson left right he did get hurt late in the game sorry i didn't see that either i think gibson handled the last drive i don't know if it was serious or not and jordan whittington by the way just to go back to that he was his arm was in a sling. So that is an injury to keep my,

they're going into their buy, but hopefully Stevenson, if he's healthy as you know, done enough to earn back the trust. Let's go to the top wide receivers. Jamar chase is one Drake London way behind him at two chase at a huge game, a 10 for one 93 and two touchdowns. Darnell Mooney,

three T Higgins four. So two bangles and two Falcons and Garrett Wilson is basically tied with T Higgins, four. So two Bengals and two Falcons. And Garrett Wilson is basically tied with Tee Higgins. But two Bengals, two Falcons, and Garrett Wilson. Those are your top five. And just give me a thought, Dave, on Tee Higgins, who had nine catches, 83 yards, two touchdowns. He was awesome. Dominant inside the 10 for a couple touchdowns.

Although one of them, let's call it dominant inside the 11 because one of the touchdowns was an 11-yard slant. Ravens defense, their secondary took a big step backward today. You didn't ask about this. You asked about Higgins, but I'm going to tell you about Chase's second touchdown. It was a screen pass at the line of scrimmage. He evaded two Ravens and then outran everybody else for a 70-yard touchdown. The guy's amazing. T. Higgins is maybe the best number two wide receiver.

One of them, because I'm thinking about... We're having a little bit of trouble with Dave's mic. Sorry, Dave. Dave, you want to hop out and come back in? I'm having a little bit of trouble with your mic. But I actually said the stat of the game... I thought it was a good Marcel Marceau. The stat of the game that I gave when was a good Marcel Marcel. The stat of the game that

I gave when we previewed Baltimore-Cincinnati is that the Ravens went into week five having allowed the most completions of 20 plus yards and the most completions of 20 plus air yards. And I have a feeling that is not going to change after week five. So they are big

play prone, which is a little weird. Type five tight ends. We have three tight ends with 20 or more PPR fantasy points. Tucker Craft, Brock Bowers, George Kittle, and then Isaiah Likely, of course, and Charlie Kohler. Holy cow. Two Ravens tight ends not named Mark Andrews. That is unbelievable.

At least he wasn't involved today. Step in the right direction. Actually, yeah, if you missed it, I think Kohler's touchdown, right before that, Andrews was wide open. Mar Jackson underthrew it a little bit. Andrews made the catch, but he would have scored,

and he was tackled at the two-yard line. He would have scored if it was a good throw. Also, I don't want to be like, Mar Jackson made one of the best plays of his career today. That touchdown pass to Likely, unreal. But we've talked about Kraft a little, Likely and Cole or whatever,

but what about Brock Bowers? This was a nice game for him. Anything to take away from this, Jamie? I thought he'd be a little bit more involved without Mayer there. And you know that there's going to be a lot of involvement with him once Devontae Adams is traded.

So I think what we're looking at here is top five tight end. Whether you want to call him one, two, three, four, or five, that's up to where you look at the other players, the position. But he's going to get fed targets. He's going to have a lot of opportunities. They're going to be trailing in a lot of games. The quarterback play is probably going to be crappy.

But, I mean, he's got superstar potential. With that said, let's go to our games. Let's get to the games here. Let's just take a look at the almost touchdown list to tell you if there was a... Yeah, there were a lot. Probably too much to get into. Terry McLaurin dropped the touchdown. My favorite was Blake

Corum, two opportunities. And then John McVay was like, F it. Get in there, Kyron. And Kyron Williams extended his streak of the longest active streak in the NFL, a touchdown in like

eight straight games now, I think, going back to last year. All right, Minnesota 23 and the Jets 17. We'll start international here. And let's get a takeaway. We've talked so much

about Brees Hall and Garrett Wilson, but how about Alan Lazard? I mean, okay, I know we're going to say, well, if Devontae Adams does not come to the Jets, like I'm going to lump Alan Lazard in with another wide receiver who's available in some leagues. Do you think Lazard and Tyler Lockett deserve a little bit more respect? Yes. Yeah.

They are number three receivers during the bye weeks, 100%. There you go. That's the key. Yeah. They are number three receivers during the bye weeks, 100%. There you go. That's the key. Okay. And on the Viking side, if there's an extended absence, oh, wait, two questions. First of all, should we drop Jordan Addison going into his bye week? He's one of those guys like smart fantasy managers.

Like if you have an Evan Ingram, for example, and you need to make a move, you drop them to go pick up someone to help you win. You don't want to drop Jordan Addison, but you can. Yeah, and if you were in a super flex league and you had to choose between dropping him or Caleb Williams, I'd drop him. But if you had to choose between dropping him or Andy Dalton,

I might drop Andy Dalton. Okay, in all seriousness, if I had this conversation with you this morning, who would you have dropped, Dalton, I might drop Andy Dalton. Okay. In all seriousness, if I had this conversation with you this morning, who would you have dropped, Dalton or Caleb Williams? Dalton. Dalton. Now, I might have said, whatever,

if you asked me a question. It wouldn't have been like a slam dunk obvious... It's a slam dunk obvious question. I just might not have cared. If you felt comfortable, you said you have Fields and who else? Burrow. Fields and Burrow.

Why would you not keep the guy who's got upside as opposed to the guy who may not hold the job? Because I feel like, because, because I don't feel like Fields is necessarily an every week starter. And going into today, who did I feel more comfortable starting on a weekly basis? Forget about the matchups.

Because obviously I would have started Caleb over Dalton this week. But if they had neutral matchups, But if they had neutral matchups, I would have said Dalton because he was playing much better than Caleb Williams. Everything changes after one game. He played better in one game.

Caleb Williams was not playing well this year. I mean, I don't know what to say. He was playing like absolute garbage this year. His best game was 20 fantasy points on 52 pass attempts

against the Indianapolis Colts. Let's stop acting like he was playing well. He was playing like crap. And Dalton had a magical game against the Raiders. Okay, and he was okay last week. He was okay. He was better than Caleb Williams has been. I will say that with confidence. He was

better than Caleb Williams. Tell me again why you had to drop one of those guys? To pick up Tank Bigsby. Which ended up being a pretty good move, if I have to say. Did you start Bigsby? No. These are both bench players. It was looking ahead to

possible value in the future, I guess. Alright. Anyway. You know what? We'll save Ty Chandler. The worst part is you share the team, and you didn't consult your partner. Share the team. The guy has not made one move, not one waiver claim the entire time. I think I've earned the right to make a move.

Miami 15, New England 10. Sumptive. You did this after you had no sleep last night, right? Yes. All right. We're thinking Tua's going to come back and everything's going to turn around, right? I hope Tua comes back. I mean, this is awful.

It's really awful to watch. I mean, look, you want Tua to be healthy. That's the biggest thing, first and foremost. But to see what Tyler Huntley and Skylar Thompson have done to this offense. And it was interesting, Pete Prisco and Logan Ryan, who we do our show with on CBS Sports HQ, discussing this. And Pete brought up a great point. Mike McDaniel has not changed the offense.

He's expecting Tyler Huntley to go in there and run the same offense. I don't know if that happened today. This was Pete's point going into the game. Like you're asking him to be Tua and throw on time, on schedule, get these guys involved to the level that they have been. And it's just, it's just not working. Yeah. All right.

It looked better today. Matchup was better today. Heath, I'm going to ask you the same question i asked you on fft express oh okay seeing jaylen wright and raheem mostert do well and seeing a chan leave with a concussion let's just say he's back in two weeks after the bi-week at the colts does you know do they eat into do one or both of them eat into his value going forward well i think they eat into the workload we've seen from him the two weeks prior because they were force feeding him trying

to find anything that would work for this offense and if mostert is healthy or right is effective then this is going to be a full-blown committee and i would expect maybe we'll see a few fewer carries for hn a few more targets um but yeah i don't like you should not expect him to be the workhorse lead back that he was for a couple of weeks i think that was just a necessity um desperation thing if there is a team right now with hn that is desperate and losing and you can get him dirt cheap. You should be trying to acquire. I agree with that. What was the split like in week one before most or got hurt? Most of it was taking some of the worst rushing down.

He got hurt early in that game though. And a Chan had seven catches. Right. So like that, that's the thing that I love about this is that a chance role in the passing game really shouldn't be affected once he's back. Yeah. A-chan's role in the passing game really shouldn't be affected once he's back. Yeah, and as far as the Patriots go, we're just hoping that Ramondre Stevenson is the starter going forward and no questions about it.

But then again, you're probably not going to want to start him against the Texans because we know he's pretty game script dependent. Baltimore 41 and Cincinnati 38. Just a fantastic game here. So if I have, say, Flowers, who had 12 targets, 7 catches for 111 yards, am I trying to sell? And do you think anybody would even bite?

Dave? What's the question? Zay Flowers, 7 catches 111 yards. I'm trying to look at what's going on with the Sunday night game. This is the type of game you're going to get from Zay Flowers every single time the Ravens have a hard time running the football. I didn't think they would have a hard time today because they're playing Cincinnati, but they did, and Zay Flowers ended up having a great game.

I just think it's anytime they're going to face a competitive offense. I don't know if it's run the ball or not run the ball because they're going to be throwing a little bit more if that game dictates that's what's needed. And so next week, they're playing a commander's offense that has been putting up points on everybody. So I think you should be happy to start Zay Flowers next week. But yes, he should be considered a sell-high candidate because you're probably going to get something great in return for him. I don't know if he will.

I mean, I wouldn't give up something great for Zay Flowers. He's had two horrible games before this, you know? And three heavily targeted games, too, with two of them being great. If this is his season, though, that's frustrating. Like, I don't know. There are plenty of fantasy managers, I think,

that looked at Zay Flowers. Remember what the ADP was in the early part of the process? They were drafting him in the first four rounds. So, you know, when you have the Rashi Rice manager or the Puka Nakua manager or the Cooper Cup manager, and you're looking at getting the number one receiver for the Ravens of what he's done in three games, two of them being very successful.

I don't think it's going to be a blockbuster trade, but you can still probably get something pretty good in return, especially if you're getting a struggling player. Like if I could turn Zay Flowers potentially into Von Achan, if I'm not playing Flowers, I would do that. This is my favorite game. Where does Zay Flowers currently rank in PPR fantasy points per game at wide receiver? 31. This is your

favorite game? Yeah. 31. My favorite game is Zay 33. Yeah, I'll say he's inside the top 30. 39. I say he's inside the top 40, just behind Jordan Edison. Okay.

Yes. Dave, you're too loud now sorry this is what happens when you mic check on the now it's not his fault not his fault at all and by the way you know just to say this last oh well start zay flowers when the ravens are going to face good offenses they face buffalo and and Dallas the previous two weeks. Those aren't good offenses. Okay. I don't know what to say then. All right, let's go to our next game. It is Houston 23 and Buffalo 20. Are we worried about Josh Allen? 7.3 fantasy

points at Baltimore last week. 16.6 fantasy points at Houston. This may have been the worst I've ever seen him look. 9 of 30? Heath for 131 yards? What the hell? I'm worried about why they put him back in the game. But yeah, he doesn't have any wide receivers.

Is it just as simple as Khalil Shakir will make him a stud again or no? I don't know because he's also not running as much. Yeah, that's bad. And James Cook is scoring touchdowns inside the five-yard line. in or no? I don't know because he's also not running as much. Yeah. And James Cook is scoring touchdowns inside the five yard line. On the level of

zero to Brees Hall, how worried are you about Josh Allen? I wouldn't even have said I'm worried. He's still like, don't even think about it. Start him every week and don't worry about the position starter. I feel the same way. Same question about CJ Stroud. He really

hasn't been that good. Heath, can you look up your favorite game? Where does C.J. Stroud rank? Do you want to do Josh Allen or C.J. Stroud? Let's do both. Josh Allen is QB 7 in between Jaden Daniels and Kyler Murray. C.J. Stroud is QB 13

in between Justin Fields and Jalen Hurts. I know, I know. He lost Nico Collins, but he hasn't really been that great this season. What is your read on CJ Stroud, guys? As long as Nico Collins doesn't have a long-term injury, they're still top five upside there. Agreed.

Okay. All right alright Chicago 36 the weather in Pittsburgh looks miserable it's hailing yeah Adam look in the private chat I sent you a video if you wanted to play it oh we can play

that Schaefer Adam is mesmerized oh man is there any chance they're going to push it to tomorrow? What do I look like? The schedule guy? All right. Chicago 36, Carolina 10.

Which quarterback would you rather have rest of the season? Okay. Chuba Hubbard, so good again. How much fab would you have? Is it fab? Yeah, yeah. I could get him back. I'll get him back next week. How much fab would you have to is it fab yeah yeah I can get him back I'll get him back next week how much fab you have to spend to get Caleb Williams back

by the way it's a 10 team league I should clarify that it's a 10 team league so there are 100% quarterbacks on waivers 100% it will require whatever fab is left and that might be not enough to get him I wonder how much fab it would cost you to get Andy Dalton

so it's not his fault like he's trying I wonder how much fab it would cost you to get Andy Dalton. So it's not his fault. It's like he's trying so hard. Dave, your mic's too loud. I'll see you guys on Tuesday. All right. Sorry, man. That sucks for him.

Well, all right. In all seriousness, if you look at this game. He's the only one in the office. Like, his setup should be the best. No. The Panthers had a super tough matchup, and the Bears had a super easy matchup. And, you know, how much of that should we be factoring in? I don't know.

Maybe on the Panthers' side. We've kind of talked about the Bears. But on the Panthers' side, you know, like, can you trust Dalton against Atlanta? I don't know. I mean, you got to wonder how many more losses until they go back to Bryce Young if they do. Yeah.

Well, yeah. All right, I get it. It was a terrible move. Xavier Liget, hold him or keep him? He's 52% roster. He had one catch on one target. Well, he was injured, right? How much did he play?

Let me see his snap share. Why did I miss all these injuries i'm really uh off my game 10 30 p.m start time yesterday i gotta go you have to go too oh god all right the last thing adam wanted tonight was getting left on the stream alone with me well i don't understand where all these injuries came from. I got it. All right. Sorry. Xavier Liget played 21 snaps.

So we'll check on him. This game is a little bit boring. But Cole Komet had three catches for 57 yards on four targets. Does that do anything for you? You know, he's a tight end. And I probably, like, if there wasn't somebody like Tucker Kraft on the waiver wire, I probably wouldn't drop him. Rank the NFC North tight ends rest of season. Okay.

Laporta. Over Hawkinson? Yeah. Laporta, Hawkinson, Kraft, Komet? Yeah, I'm not sure. How would you rank them? Oh, I asked you. Let me ask you about Washington 34, Cleveland 13.

Somehow, if you played against Jaden Daniels, you got lucky. He had a lot of, you could have had a 35-point game. He ended up with 21.7 fantasy points. He gave Brian Robinson a couple of a lot of you could have had a 35 point game you know he ended up with 21.7 fantasy points he gave brian robinson a couple of touchdowns here we we know that the cleveland browns just have a terrible offense i wonder what you think about nick chubb when he comes back it's you gotta hope that the offense is um partially made better by him and partially maybe they still have an offensive line when they could get back. Right.

Yeah. Many. I mean, cause like now their centers banged up. Look, you could see in a month they could have a healthy offensive line. Right. So the other thing will be like,

are they still committed to this pathway more than they should be? Or are they, they go back to their run heavy scheme. I'm going to be pretty skeptical about than they should be, or they, they go back to their run heavy scheme. Um, I'm going to be pretty skeptical about Chubb probably, but he, he's going to be a low end RB two most likely. Cause I don't think that they'll just go back to Nick Chubb.

I mean, they've always had a two back system and I don't think they go back to him having the same workload he had before the injury. Yeah. And I got to say, I was really annoyed by Deontay Foreman's role in here. Uh, he had as many carries

as Jerome Ford I don't get that this could have been a good game for Jerome Ford but yeah and then Foreman uh did Foreman get a touchdown in this game well what about Jerry McNichol's role yeah and then McNichol yeah I don't know that was kind of late in the game right so but that was it was mostly fourth quarter I think yeah yeah um but, it's a really good offense. Now McLaurin just about to have, is he just going to be a stud? This was a good day. That should have been a great day. If he didn't drop that touchdown,

I'm still a little bit skeptical that he's going to be a stud on a team that's throwing the ball 25 ish times a game, but he's, he's, he's doing it over and over. 112 yards on eight targets for Terry McLaurin. I think the difference between him now and earlier in the year is just Jaden Daniels,

it took him until week three, and then he started throwing his deep balls just beautifully. Everything was short the first two weeks, but now he's doing exactly what I was hoping he would do for McLaurin, which is find him down the field. Jacksonville 37,

Indianapolis 34. Man, we talked about this game a lot. Yes, we sure did. Pit, you want Pittman, Josh Downs,

bad day for Pittman. I would not be surprised. Josh Downs is the best Colts wide receiver rest of season. Yeah. I mean, a good day for Pittman in terms of the fantasy production, but Downs had four more targets. And basically, it gets either as many or more targets than Pittman every time they play.

Yes, and it does more with them. I mean, he didn't score the touchdown today, but it does more with them in terms, generally, of yards and catches. It is just really funny how Anthony Richardson is just so bad for Michael Pittman's value. Yeah, and I think the Flacco effect, while I was completely wrong on him, and I would have been regardless,

was a little bit overblown today by the fact that Jacksonville had so many big plays and so many quick scores. They ran 69 offensive plays. And chasing the score, like 45 pass attempts. It's tough to know how much do you adjust their offensive game flow going from Richardson to Flacco? I didn't adjust quite enough,

but also I don't like 45 pass attempts puts the 12 targets for downs in a little bit of context also. And I don't, what in the world do you do with Alec Pierce? Nothing. You don't do anything with them, but I'm not picking them up. I mean, the guy needs to catch

a 60-yard touchdown, basically. Right. And he's done it in three out of five weeks? Yeah. Three catches, 134 yards, and a touchdown on three targets. Adonai Mitchell played more today as well. All right, let's go to the late games. Arizona 24, San Francisco 23. It was a hell of a win for the Cardinals. Kyler

with his second best game of the season, 26 fantasy points. James Conner was okay. Yeah, what do you think about Marvin Harrison? Two catches, 36 yards on seven targets. The 49ers did a really good job of taking him away. And I haven't seen the entire route tree,

but I watched a little bit of this game. And again, it seemed like another one where he was spending a lot of time on the boundary um and that that has happened a couple of times to him this season um but the other thing is kyler really trusts michael wilson and kyler's gonna throw the ball to trey mcbride seven and nine times the game pretty much always so i don't i mean harrison doesn't have near as much upside as Malik neighbors. Well, yeah. The other thing is I just, I hate the ADOT is ADOT today was 13 yards,

which is not that bad, but that's kind of on the low end for him. So I mentioned, you know, average route depth, average depth of target, just too high. And just,

you're not going to get enough catches that way. So it's, I'm not, we're not loving the way they're using Marvin Harrison. Uh, I think you put out your, uh, your super flex dynasty rankings last week.

Right. And you had, I do it every week. Yeah. So you had, it was Daniel's neighbors. One, two.

Is that right? Or no, uh, that is not accurate. They were two risers that I was talking about. No, they were one, two amongst rookies.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. In the rookie class. Yes. Redraft amongst rookies, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, in the rookie class, yeah. Yes.

Redraft the rookies, yes. Daniel's neighbors. What do you think about Brock Purdy? Where is he? He's got to be like 18th? I don't even know. For the season? Yeah.

Yeah, this was like not a great game for him considering everything that he's got around him. He's 11th in total fantasy points he is currently qb 16 per game at 18 fantasy points per game i think he just lives in that borderline qb1 range still though because it wouldn't surprise me if he scored 30 the next game it's just completely unpredictable yeah only one good only one game with more than 16.6 fantasy points in six point for passing touchdown leagues and that was at the rams and they are so bad on defense at seattle on thursday for him

and uh that's pretty much it for that game denver 34 las vegas 18 bo nicks is he entering the streaming conversation probably not unless yours is one of those leagues where everybody's carrying two quarterbacks and one of yours is hurt and the other one's in the bye and then maybe you stream Bo Nix. Like I said, I thought he made some good throws. Troy Franklin cost him

a long touchdown. He has that nose for the goal line as a rusher and they let him run around a little bit. One of my favorite sideline exchanges of the season, him just yelling at sean payton and then walking away i don't even know what he was yelling at him about i just enjoyed it um no he's he seems to be getting more and more comfortable let him throw the ball down the field just a little bit yeah and he can run a little bit as well so bonick scored 20 how many points did you score

bonick's 27.1 fantasy points. Better than Daniel Jones. This was really a high-scoring week, though, for quarterbacks. So good job by Bownicks. And bouncing back from that bad game where he threw for 60 yards at the Jets in bad weather. And then Javante had 18 touches. Last week he had 18 touches. You can't ask for anything better than that. And five

of them are catches, you know, that's amazing. Hopefully get some, some goal line work. All right. Uh, on the other side of the ball, I don't know. Is there anything you want to mention? Like what'd you think about Alexander Madison? He did not exactly make his case as the lead running back when Samir white's healthy. No. And we, I get was a, it was still kind of a shared backfield mir abdullah had more rushing yards than madison did and the same number of targets it's i just don't think they're going to have a good running back yeah period green bay 24 and the rams 19 a disappointing 20 fantasy points for love he only threw 26 passes jacobs a nice... We kind of thought, you know, we've gone him a bit low. Yeah, so good for him.

But what did you make? Dante Van Wicks was a total bust, but he actually led the team in targets with seven. Second week in a row that he led the team in targets. Last week, he caught five out of 13. This week, he caught two out of seven. As a rule, we don't generally view drops as predictive, and I don't really care that much about them unless they impact what the coach does.

I think it's going to be so important what happens with the Romeo Dobbs situation. If Dobbs comes back and makes up and is back in the wide receiver rotation, then I think Wicks probably disappears. If Dobbs is a long-term problem, then I'm probably going to go back to Wicks next week. Yeah, look, I talked about this on Beyond the Box score on Monday. I said, I'm a little concerned about Dontavian Wicks' drops because he had two drops last week and then he almost dropped his touchdown last week where he was wide open.

So I just don't think he has very good hands. Combine that with the fact that he is such a downfield guy, right? It's not like they're running wide receiver screens for Dontavion. I mean, maybe they did, but the ADOT, I mean, it's 15 yards this week. Is that right? No, 13 yards. It was 15 last week. So those aren't exactly easy balls to catch.

It's a concern. It's probably the only guy that I'm sitting around, like drops are a big concern with this guy. It's probably the only guy I'm thinking of right now that fits that description. Anything to say about the Rams going to their bye? Kyron Williams is awesome. I hope we're getting Cooper Cutback.

Colby Parkinson, we found a way for him to score double-digit fantasy points. He just has to get double-digit targets. He could have had a huge day, too, had a couple of red zone targets. At least he scored 12 fantasy points. I wonder if he's still getting targets if Cup comes

back. Does Cup just kill the other receivers? I know Parkinson's not going to light it up, but if he's still going to be like seven or more targets every game then that's someone that you can stream i think he's probably going to remain like i know in the projections he's going to remain in the streaming conversation you gotta remember that he got 13 targets but it's not like he's just dominating the target percentage there were 45 pass attempts for Stafford in this game. They have a terrible defense. There's probably going to be a lot of past tense.

All right. We got one more game left and we have one more analyst joining us. Jamie's back giants, 29 Seahawks, 20, uh, just a game. The giants kind of dominated.

And quite frankly, I thought that Eric gray scored on that first possession and it was ruled a fumble and a 101-yard recovery and touchdown for the Seahawks. Eric Gray had three carries on the opening possession. Then he fumbled. He had one more the rest of the game. So keep that in mind just for Tyrone Tracy's outlook.

But Tyrone Tracy was really good, and this could be something here. Maybe down the line. I don't know. Maybe something next week. I mean, we don't know, but obviously he's maybe something next week. I mean, we don't know if Devin Singletary is recovering from a groin injury right away.

Right, exactly. And they get Cincinnati, which is a great matchup for everyone. But Derek Henry, um, I, if I were the giants,

I would be shopping Darius Slayton right now. Like chiefs on the phone bills on the phone, like any of these teams that need wide receiver, you know, saints or jets, if they're really serious about a wide receiver or it's just aills on the phone. Like any of these teams that need a wide receiver, you know, Saints or Jets if they're really serious about a wide receiver or it's just Devontae Adams. But, I mean, we saw what the first three games looked like where Slayton was a minor player and looked awesome.

It's now four games, his last four games without Malik Nabors on the team. He scored a touchdown. That's right. It's 17 or more points in every game. He looked great. Wanda Robinson, solid game again, but if the Giants can get some value for

Darius Slayton, and then maybe it opens up the door to develop Jalen High a little bit, I think that's a smart move for their franchise. Daniel Jones' dynasty value just went back up because he's got at least one more year starting now. Let's talk about the Seahawks here, guys. And,

uh, I don't know what to even take away from this game. I'll tell you one thing just real quick, just as the guy who brought up maybe selling high on Ken Walker, it was really good to see him out there trailing late in the second half in the four minute drill. He was the guy out there. He was getting the catches.

These are cheap fantasy points that you points that running backs can get. You can't do it if Zach Charbonnet has that role. Ken Walker had that role in the second half today, and he ended up with seven catches, and it saved his day a little bit because he couldn't get it going on the ground. But, Jamie, what are your thoughts on the Seahawks? I'd probably be trying to buy low.

I'd be trying to buy low on DK on DK Metcalf because you know, you saw what he was capable of doing the first couple of games. Look, Gino Smith came into this game leading the NFL in passing yards. So disappointing performance by far, but there's still so much talent there with this receiving core. And this defense is still very banged up. They just lost three Golan who knows how long he's going to be out.

He left the game. So if, uh, if you're looking at it, Geno's going to throw. Going to be in the mix to be a borderline number one QB almost on a weekly basis. The fact that he gave you 60 rushing yards today. I know one of the carries was for 30 yards. But 72 rushing yards is, huh?

72. Oh, 72. Last time I checked, it was 60 before the game ended. So the rushing is there there it's not going to be consistent but it's there but metcalf's by low candidate uh i said this going into last week's game i thought jsn was a by low candidate you've seen two productive games and three of five you know productive games for him and walker i think is just a slam dunk top 10 running back rest of season jsn got a little bit lucky with a touchdown at the end, but hey, it happened. And you know what?

Geno Smith still leads the league in passing because he went into the week leading the league in passing. Going into today, it was Cousins after the 500-yard game, but he actually threw for 284 yards in this game. It just didn't feel that way. He scored 24 fantasy points. Yeah. He ended up with a backdoor great game. And you know what? He's rushed. Okay. He's run for 30 or more yards in three or five games,

and he leads the NFL in passing. I wish I had more conviction to say Geno Smith could have a huge year. He probably won't because he's Geno Smith. Why don't you have conviction to say that? Because I think the thing about it is huge year, it doesn't mean he has to be a top five quarterback, but huge year could be in the eight to 10 range. And he's kind of hovering there already.

It could happen. I think he said really bad touchdown luck for a guy. Well, he only has one. He has no game so far with multiple touchdowns passing. He has one game with multiple touchdowns overall. You know what it reminds me of? Reminds me of Stafford last year. He went like five or six games where he could only throw one touchdown per game

and then all of a sudden just started throwing a bunch of touchdowns and he became a stud down the stretch. So I think you got to at least say that Geno Smith like underlying stats look pretty good unless I'm wrong. Heath, am I wrong? No, I think

they do. The problem is he's QB 11 for the season he's averaging 20 fantasy points per game how low are you able to buy on him and how high do you actually

think the ceiling is like I think yeah he's going to have a very good year he's probably going to have some better touchdown luck what's he going to finish QB 6 maybe like that's probably the ceiling well some better touchdown luck. What's he going to finish? QB6? Maybe? That's probably the ceiling. Well, I guess I just want to point out that he's playing pretty well and the touchdowns could come.

Okay. We'll probably just keep starting him. We will talk to you on Beyond the Box score on Monday afternoon at noon eastern for Heath and Jamie and Dave and Thomas. I'm Adam. Have a great night, everybody. See you. See you. and boots. So when you do, always make sure you get cash back from Rakuten. And it's not just

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