Fantasy Football Today - Week 6 Recap! Young WRs Step up and MegaDuds Disappoint (10/18 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: October 19, 2020

How about those rookie WRs! We'll get to them, but first let's take a look at the key injuries from Week 6. Then we play "The best WR or TE on ___ is ____ " (3:45) with Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Philade...lphia, New England, Minnesota and Denver. Is Chase Claypool better than Juju? Is Tee Higgins better than Boyd and Green? Is Travis Fulgham better than Zach Ertz? ... More news and notes (17:40) and then we're on to winners (20:55) like D'Andre Swift and Phillip Lindsay and losers (25:50) like T.Y. Hilton and Julian Edelman. And are we worried (34:10) about Mike Gesicki, Odell Beckham and Mark Andrews? ... We recap each game with our Fantasy analysis (40:00) ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Listen to the brand new Fantasy Football Today in 5 podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-in-5/id1528634304 'Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow the new FFT Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/FFToday Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCviK78rIWXhZdFzJ1Woi7Fg/videos Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. On his way to the end zone. I'll tell you what, that was a spectacular play. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. What a play! Off to the races! Touchdown! Oh, he's done it again! Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Ben. Alright, a bit of a wacky Sunday with some busts.
Starting point is 00:00:24 Some serious busts, some mega duds out there. Aaron Rodgers, three points. Alexander, let's not even talk about Alexander Madison. Welcome to the show. This episode of Fantasy Football today is sponsored by Express. Express is all new, all about you, with a fresh assortment of casual, versatile, and super comfortable styles. Find out more about Express and their exclusive offer later in the show. Looking forward to getting my clothes from Express,
Starting point is 00:00:48 hopefully this upcoming weekend. You can take advantage of a great offer. I'm Adam Azer with Dave Richard and Heath Cummings. How would you guys describe week six, at least the Sunday of week six? Different. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:01:02 Yeah, it was pretty different. A lot of unexpected performances performances both good and bad yeah good day for the rookies deandre swift hello deandre swift that was great yes the wide receiver rookie wide receivers were terrific um we're going to talk about them uh in depth for sure the big news we're just going to run through these news items right now because it's not even 8 o'clock p.m. and we don't have the latest information. So here you go. Joe Mixon left with a foot injury. Then he came back. Then he left with about eight minutes left in the fourth quarter.
Starting point is 00:01:34 Miles Sanders left with a knee injury and it may not be serious, but they have a Thursday game against the surging New York Giants that we're all looking forward to. And by the way, Giovanni Bernard in PPR leagues, he's played four games in the last previous well, 2017 and 18 without mixing
Starting point is 00:01:51 scored 18, 13, 19 and 24 points in those games. So Miles Sanders, Zach Ertz has an ankle injury. Devante Parker left with a groin injury. Hopefully that was score related. Tyler Boyd, leg injury, Johnny Smith, ankle injury, Mark Ingram, ankle injury. They've got a buyin injury. Hopefully that was score related. Tyler Boyd, leg injury. Johnnie Smith, ankle injury. Mark Ingram, ankle injury. They've got a bye coming up. Darius Slayton was being sort of bothered by a
Starting point is 00:02:12 foot or an ankle injury. So it's not that bad right now. And fingers crossed, none of these are too serious. And we'll obviously update you on our Monday show. How's it going for you guys? How's week six looking? Pretty terrible.
Starting point is 00:02:28 I'm losing to one team that started four players on a bye. I have two 5-0 teams and they're both losing by 40 plus points. But good news, my 0-5 podcast league team is just smacking
Starting point is 00:02:43 Jamie and Joey. Is Jamie that's sharing with Joey, right? No, that's Dave. Oh, okay. Well, whoever Jamie's sharing with. Jamie and Todd from the St. Jude donation. Yes. Thank you for your donation, Todd, and for the week six victory.
Starting point is 00:03:00 Hey, good job, man. Way to go. Watch us on YouTube, youtube.com slash fantasyfootball today. So you may have heard that the start of the week was Alexander Madison. Actually, you really just misheard it. It was actually Brandon McManus. Sounds kind of similar. Brandon McManus, 6 of 6 field goals today, 18 fantasy points.
Starting point is 00:03:19 Good job. That's more than Matthew Stafford and Aaron Rodgers combined for. All right, guys. I think the story today with these young wide receivers, mostly rookies, young players. I have an idea. Kind of taking over. Okay.
Starting point is 00:03:31 We should do a segment about those guys and if they are the best wide receivers on their own team. What a great idea. Thanks. This segment is called the best wide receiver or tight end on blank is blank. I like it. I'm giving you one minute per team. Good luck. The best wide receiver or tight end and he has been both throughout his football career but for the steelers he's the best wide receiver on the team he's used in a variety of ways he is trusted in the red zone the the only guy seemingly ben roethlisberger wants to throw the ball more than five yards to and uh he's just a rookie he's only
Starting point is 00:04:22 going to grow from here well Well, hold on a sec. He threw more than five yards to James Washington. He did. He didn't throw more than five yards to Juju, though. He only threw for six yards in the whole game to him. It's really hard to make the case for Juju now when he's basically been a touchdown needy wide receiver who hasn't gotten the target volume
Starting point is 00:04:44 that some people thought he was going to get when the season started Claypool is fun he's a dangerous weapon the Steelers are using him in different ways I think he's really kind of encapsulated that nicely I think I god it just seems so reactionary it seems so reactionary to say that Claypool is the best guy, at least the rest of the season, but he's just, he's very, very tough for defenses to deal with. And once defense, here's the thing, and I think we're close
Starting point is 00:05:14 to a minute, so I'll just wrap it up. We're going to go two minutes playing and I'm on the stage. Well over. The music is my laughter. I see Adam's face. In that case, I'm just going to go ahead and make you laugh for another minute and a half. Claypool is going to start drawing some serious coverage.
Starting point is 00:05:29 It wouldn't surprise me in a couple of weeks if Juju starts having big games or if Deontay Johnson's back and he starts having big games. Let's not forget about Deontay Johnson. He's had two healthy games. He had 23 targets
Starting point is 00:05:38 in those two games. I think the Steelers are just really good at making use of guys from week to week and that there isn't necessarily one guy who every single week is going to be great. Okay, so rest of season, would you rather have Chase Claypool or Odell Beckham? Beckham.
Starting point is 00:05:56 Because I want to be clear, I don't think the best wide receiver on Pittsburgh is what the best wide receiver on Pittsburgh used to be. That's going to be a merry-go-round. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Keep in mind, Odell was third in targets on the Browns today. Would you drop Juju? No.
Starting point is 00:06:17 You're not going to do it. You're not. That noise that you just made is I want to drop Juju, but I am not going to drop him. That noise that I just made is that's one of five topics that but I am not going to drop him. No, it's not. That noise that I just made is that's one of five topics that I've already sent in for Believe It or Not, and that's Adam stealing another one of my topics. I'm just giving you content to embed into the article, Heath.
Starting point is 00:06:35 Isn't that beautiful? I thought maybe we would embed it when we did Believe It or Not later in the show, and I said the thing that I wanted to write about. I think it's much easier to embed Juju on your bench than cut him from your squad. Yeah, I can't drop him. Okay, next team, next team. The best wide receiver or tight end on Cincinnati is blank.
Starting point is 00:06:54 I'm going to give you just the first initial and the last name. I hope that's okay. Yeah. T. Higgins. What about T. Boyd? He's good, but he got hurt. Right. Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:06 So Higgins is your answer. Green looked like more like a professional wide receiver in this game, but yeah, I would still say I'll still go with the young guy and T Higgins as well. Okay. Higgins or Claypool rest of season. Claypool. So I,
Starting point is 00:07:20 I think I'd be a little more comfortable saying Higgins and I know it does. It's not the cool thing to do, but that's what I'm saying. Higgins has seven to nine targets in four straight games. He has scored 21, 12, 10, and 18 fantasy points in PPR in those games. And Tyler Boyd has had two disappointing games in a row, but before that he had three games with 70 or more yards, seven or more catches, eight or more targets.
Starting point is 00:07:43 So, you know, he's still obviously quite valuable. Green, 11 targets, eight catches, 96 yards. Great game for him. I kind of had a feeling. This felt sort of like a squeaky crickets game for AJ Green. Boyd's okay, by the way. He got hurt and he left for a little bit
Starting point is 00:07:58 and then he came back. He finished the game. All right, so we'll keep going here. The best wide receiver or tight end, this is where the tight end comes in on Philadelphia is blank. Akeem. This one's easy. Is that not a tight end?
Starting point is 00:08:11 You meant Richard Rogers. Yeah, Fulgham. It is over Earth's yeah. Earth's hurts. Earth's is hurt. That is true. Fulgham,
Starting point is 00:08:26 they may, who knows? So they do expect to have Deshaun Jackson back on Thursday. We don't know about Alshon. Fulgham now has three straight games with a touchdown. He has, I believe,
Starting point is 00:08:35 227 yards in his last two games. And I don't think, I didn't get the updated stats after the game, but I do not think any other Eagles pass catcher has 200 receiving yards for the season.
Starting point is 00:08:46 And he's over that in his last two games. Travis Fulgham is 51% rostered. Just got 10. Dude, Carson Wentz, by the end of this game, was throwing the ball up in the air, just hoping and praying. And it worked over and over again, it seemed. And Fulgham's touchdown was just like pretty prayer-like.
Starting point is 00:09:05 So that was fun. But all right, who's buying Fulgham's touchdown was just like pretty prayer-like. So that was fun. But all right, who's buying Fulgham here? And you think he's really better than Zach Ertz rest of season or Alshon or Joshan? I think the Eagles are buying Fulgham because they don't have anything else that's both reliable, healthy, and young at wide receiver at this current moment.
Starting point is 00:09:23 Now, when Jalen Rager comes back, he's certainly going to be a field stretcher, but this is a big-bodied type of perimeter receiver that Wentz previously leaned on with Alshon Jeffrey, and they were hoping would be that guy with Arcega-Whiteside. And I just think Fulgham is fitting in right now, and what choice do they have?
Starting point is 00:09:41 Honestly, do you really think after what he's done the last three games, they're going to go and put him on the bench and say, Deshaun's back and Greg Ward is good? Greg Ward wasn't good. And our Sega Whiteside's never really been good. That's mean. So now we'll rank Higgins, Claypool,
Starting point is 00:10:00 Fulham. Claypool, Higgins, Fulham. Oh, I think I really... He's just having so much fun with it. He is. I'm going to say Fulgham, Higgins, Claypool. Wow. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:10:17 I really believe that Claypool's not going to be... I don't think he's going to run for touchdowns every week. Probably not. How about Fulgham or Brandon Cooks? I'll put Cooks ahead of him. Okay. Okay, the best wide receiver or tight end on New England is blank. It's Edelman.
Starting point is 00:10:39 I don't know that we really need to waste a whole lot of time arguing about it. Okay. Well, do you think people should at least be picking up Demir bird? He's led the team and receive, he's led wide receivers in receiving clear. I saw this note in the notes. He's led wide receivers in receiving in three of their past four games or their past three games.
Starting point is 00:10:57 Well, I think it might be three out of four, actually. Yeah. Three out of four. In two of those games, he had a combined 65 yards. Well then, okay. but I'm asking you,
Starting point is 00:11:07 who's the best wide receiver or tight end on the team? I don't. I'm not starting any of them. Okay. They do not have a fantasy wide receiver. Who's the best wide receiver or tight end on Minnesota? That's still feeling. Still feeling for now.
Starting point is 00:11:25 I thought that was a pretty easy one. You have to say feeling, but I did just want to make sure we talked about Justin Jefferson. We need to get to him. 166 yards and two touchdowns on 11 targets. Yes, it was against Atlanta, but another terrific performance.
Starting point is 00:11:40 And okay. So now you've got Jefferson Claypool Higgins fulgham who's number one jefferson i think i would say jefferson too i i mean you don't have any choice but to start him right now obviously um i don't know what minnesota is going to do they're talking about making some changes during the buy this This was only, they should trade for Jameis Winston. This was only his second game with, um,
Starting point is 00:12:11 you mean the quarterback of the giants? This is only his second game with more than five targets. Would you stop acting like Daniel Jones has ever in his whole entire life been as good as Jameis Winston? Oh God. It's insulting to Jameis Winston. Well, yeah,
Starting point is 00:12:24 I mean, Jefferson's still going to have that problem of targets in a lot of games. Right. I don't know. I think that's one of the changes they can make that they can that they can stick with is get him the ball more. Use your good football players
Starting point is 00:12:39 in football games. You're welcome, Minnesota. You're welcome. The best wide receiver or tight end on Denver is blank. Tim Patrick. For now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:54 Rest of season? Yeah, rest of season. Jerry Judy. I'm going to say Noah Fant. Yeah, I think Fant might be the best one rest of season, but Patrick has passed the test. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:06 I would start Patrick over Judy next week. Sure. I think Judy will be better than Patrick by the end of the year. And it's funny because I thought Judy was going to be super ready for the NFL. No questions asked. Just totally not a dominant receiver, but one that could challenge Cortland Sutton
Starting point is 00:13:24 to be the number one guy in Denver by the midpoint of the year. And he just does not look good. Do you have the breakdown, Dave, of how many times Gilmore was on Judy versus Patrick? I don't have that in front of me right now. No, I tried to watch. I couldn't really quite get a grip. It didn't seem like he was shadowing anybody. I saw him on Patrick one play and I saw him on Judy one play. And I saw him on a third receiver on a different play. That wasn't a very fun game to watch. So I didn't watch very much of it.
Starting point is 00:13:48 My goodness. You know, it's funny. Not so funny. When this game, when I kind of thought this game was going to have to get postponed again, I was going to make a joke on the show that was like, why even bother playing the game? Just give New England the win and give Denver the loss. Nobody thinks Denver is going to win. But that's why they play the game.
Starting point is 00:14:04 That is. For Brandon McMan going to win. But that's why they play the game. That is. For Brandon McManus to kick six field goals. And Drew Locke did everything he could to throw that game away. Oh, my God. Do we talk about this now or do we talk about it when we bring up the game later?
Starting point is 00:14:18 Go ahead. Three minutes to play in the game. They're up by six. 95% of coaches would go conservative and run the game. They're up by six. 95% of coaches would go conservative and run the ball. Denver has true luck
Starting point is 00:14:28 drop back to pass and he throws a big lob right into the hands of a Patriots defender and the Patriots have a chance to score with three minutes to play.
Starting point is 00:14:37 But that was his second interception of the quarter. It was he threw one when they were up by nine. Dumbest thing I have seen this year and I've watched a lot of Jets football. Yeah, He threw one when they were up by nine. Dumbest thing I have seen this year.
Starting point is 00:14:46 And I've watched a lot of Jets football. Yeah, there's a countdown on Adam Gase right now, by the way. It should be at negative one billion. Nobody thinks he's coaching next week, but we will see. All right, everybody. The best rookie wide receiver in fantasy football will be blank. Lamb. Lamb. It was easier to say that with Dak, but
Starting point is 00:15:13 there's got to be some questions now. Give me your top three rookie wide receivers. Rest of season. This point, rest of season, Lamb, Jefferson Higgins. Lamb, Jefferson Chenault. Chenault? I knew it. I knew you Lam Jefferson Chenault. Chenault? I knew it.
Starting point is 00:15:28 I knew you'd save Chenault. I knew it. Yeah, look, they're making a really big impact. Good for them. This is a highly touted class. And no love for rugs here, by the way. Nobody said rugs. And yeah, they're doing a great job. So we'll see.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Typically, rookie wide receivers, unless you're Beckham, Evans, that group group five, six years ago, whatever that was, they're pretty inconsistent, but you got to have these guys on your roster, and they're doing some good things. All right. I am ready to get my clothes from Express. I'm extremely excited. Once I get them, I'm going to go back for more. I got my eyes on the jeans on Express. Let's go to Express.com right now and just go browsing basically. But before you do that, you're going to get 25 bucks off your $50 purchase if you just text football to 397-737. Okay. 397-737. Text football. Get 25 bucks off your $50 purchase.
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Starting point is 00:17:58 but he did start week four for the Patriots. They're on COVID-IR along with a couple of other players. We saw that Austin Eckler hopes to be back in three to four weeks. So it's a long absence. It's not a guarantee he'll be back in three to four weeks. Case Keenum replaced Baker Mayfield. It was a blowout.
Starting point is 00:18:15 Mayfield was not playing well and obviously came into the game beat up. Mayfield will start if he's healthy at Cincinnati. Green Bay offensive tackle David Bakhtiari got hurt in the third quarter of that blowout loss at Tampa Bay. Arizona put guard J.R. Sweezy on IR.
Starting point is 00:18:30 I changed my tune on Miles Sanders. When I found out Brandon Williams was on COVID IR. That's a huge run stuffer for the Ravens. They're on a bye next week. And Sanders had a pretty good game. He sort of threw a touchdown pass to J.J. Arcega-Whiteside
Starting point is 00:18:45 in the form of a fumble. I'm sure we all saw that play by now. That's a strange way to describe fumbling the ball and having someone else save your butt. He sort of threw a touchdown pass to him. In the form of a fumble. I can't believe he didn't get any fantasy points. Yeah, he should have, right?
Starting point is 00:19:01 At least he didn't lose two for it. Tyler Eifert, but that was on a 74-yard run, I think. Second straight game with a huge 70-plus-yard run. Tyler Eifert left with a neck injury. Antonio Ganey-Golden left. Pittsburgh, oh, this is a big one. Pittsburgh linebacker Devin Bush tore his ACL. That's the defensive play caller for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Starting point is 00:19:20 And their next two games are at Tennessee and at Baltimore. Do you think they're still a must-start DST? No. They're going in the wrong direction for sure. It's just a matter of during bye weeks, you're going to find a dozen other DSTs that are going to be better. I mean, they showed up pretty damn well today. They did, but it was Cleveland.
Starting point is 00:19:43 It was, but Cleveland was 3-1. 3-1? They were 3-1, right? 4-1? I mean, if you've been paying attention to football for the last 20 years, you know how these matchups between the Browns and the Steelers usually go.
Starting point is 00:19:56 I guess so, but they still, even without Devin Bush, are going to have a great front seven. Great pass rush. And they're usually one of the most fundamentally sound teams defensively in football, no matter who they have so Calvin Ridley left with cramps
Starting point is 00:20:10 but he came back Aaron Rodgers through his third career pick six I believe and at one point in the Jets Dolphins game the two teams were over 19 on third down that's unbelievable and Joe Flacco was sacked for a loss of 28 yards on third down. That's unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:20:26 And Joe Flacco was sacked for a loss of 28 yards. I was so entertained. I think it was immediately after the first third down conversion of the day. He just kept running backwards and backwards. It's like something that you'd see in the Simpsons.
Starting point is 00:20:42 So bad. Homer gets a snap. And literally 11 guys running after Homer and they like something that you'd see in the Simpsons. So bad. Homer gets a snap. Oh, he's running away from the competition. Literally 11 guys running after Homer and they tackle him for a 98-yard sack or something like that. Flacco is so washed. It's brutal. Washed up. Terrible. Terrible. Terrible. Terrible.
Starting point is 00:20:57 Winners and losers. DeAndre Swift, Heath, started in 22% of leagues, roster started in 22% of leagues, rostered in 83% of leagues, 14 carries, 116 yards, two touchdowns, got some goal line work, three catches for seven yards. So his best game by far.
Starting point is 00:21:17 What does it mean going forward? I know what it should mean. I mean, we always kind of struggle to know what it will mean, but what should mean is the deandre swift is the starting running back for the lions deandre swift is a top 20 fantasy running back and maybe even better the great thing about this for him is like the area where they had trusted him previously the passing game is the place where rookies often struggle to get involved early in the year he already had that under his belt he needed a little bit, a little boost in the running game. We were hoping, I think Jamie actually has both bold prediction on this would be his
Starting point is 00:21:50 breakout week coming off the bi-week. And it was, and I think there's still a little bit of concern that he's going to have to share more with Adrian Peterson and carry on Johnson than you would like, but I would expect 15 touches a game moving forward. I like it. All right.
Starting point is 00:22:03 And I like that they're at Atlanta next week. Yeah, that's not bad. It's going to be a nice matchup for Swift. They're good now, Dave. You missed the memo. See what they did to Alexander Madison? I don't think that that's that. It was all Dan Quinn's fault.
Starting point is 00:22:14 They couldn't defend the run. Sure. Actually, it was Julio Jones bringing that defensive presence. Yeah. He didn't look like a guy that was hurt, by the way, did he? No, it wasn't on the injury report. You know, he was started in like half of our leagues, something like that, Julio Jones.
Starting point is 00:22:29 People were hesitant. That's a shame. If you wake up with a trade offer in your inbox, levy on bell for your DeAndre Swift, what button do you press? Remember when you were in the comments thing and you found the dirty comments that you'd sent to people about trade offers that's the one okay you reject it it's great that this is happening
Starting point is 00:22:52 for swift we talked about this is why you draft him with a top 70 pick back over the summer he's your other winner trey burton 21 rostered yeah we saw him get a little bit involved his first two games back but he was like the focal point of the indianapolis colts offense in this game and he did get a little dinged up as well but i think he's okay there was a feature story in the indie star about him after the game and it didn't mention anything about him being injured he actually ran the wildcat and got a rushing touchdown. Now that's not going to happen very often, but also caught four for 58 and scored a touchdown. This Colts offense has always been designed to lean heavily on the tight ends in the passing game. And we've seen Mo Alley Cox do a little bit earlier
Starting point is 00:23:42 this year. Jack Doyle scored a touchdown in this game. T.Y. Hilton doesn't exist anymore. So there's plenty of targets to go around in Indianapolis. Trey Burton could be a fantasy-relevant tight end. We thought that once upon a time, remember? Yeah, when he went to Chicago. When he was Dallas Goddard before Dallas Goddard? That's true.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Yeah, we can even go back to his days in Philly to say that. But this is the Indianapolis philosophy offensively. Like, it goes beyond just the Colts using their tight ends. That's true. But it's also Phillip Rivers using his tight end. But ultimately, it's Indianapolis wants to use as many people as they possibly can from week to week. There are a couple of problems.
Starting point is 00:24:21 I mean, obviously, Burton's a winner, and that's great. But two things. One, he has a bye next week, so you'd have to hold on to him during a bye week. Or maybe nobody will pick him up. This isn't the waiver wire portion of the show, Adam. It was the winners. Yeah, I get it.
Starting point is 00:24:32 And Rivers threw 44 passes, which is very high. They were trailing big in this game. A very surprising game script for Indianapolis. Yeah, but I mean, you can't dispute it. He's been involved two weeks in a row, three weeks in a row. And that stupid Wildcat play, if he could just hand off to Jonathan Taylor, that would have made a lot of people happier.
Starting point is 00:24:51 But whatever, very selfish play. Dave's winners. Phillip Lindsey had 23 carries for 101 yards at New England. Melvin Gordon missed the game with strep throat. He also could be facing a multi-game suspension for his DUI. They get the Chiefs next week and Travis Fulgham we talked about, but let's talk about Philip Lindsay. He was started in just 40% of
Starting point is 00:25:09 leagues and now it's going to be a full-blown split at the very minimum with the Broncos for whenever Melvin Gordon's back. I think Lindsay has climbed all his. I think he's climbed all the way back from where we were back in March,
Starting point is 00:25:25 where it was the odd guy out. They didn't really want to trust him. Well, now they're trusting him and they did it in a game in new England on the road against his Patriots defense. That's so tough against the run. And he had a good rushing average. He had a bunch of nice runs in the game. I think that Lindsay can be a 50, 50 back with Melvin Gordon and maybe even start to take work away from Melvin Gordon. If he continues to keep this up. Okay. Let's go to the losers.
Starting point is 00:25:52 Dave, your losers, TY Hilton and Julian Edelman. Hilton did have a touchdown catch called back on a penalty, but he had one catch for 11 yards on five targets. Even if he had caught that pass, it would have been like two catches for 13 yards and a touchdown. So not good.
Starting point is 00:26:07 Which would have been like maybe his best game of the year. Well, last week, T.Y. Hilton had six catches for 69 yards on 10 targets, but he has not had a touchdown this year. And the fact that Rivers threw 44 times and five of them went to T.Y. Hilton,
Starting point is 00:26:19 that's not good. So Hilton and Edelman, who would you drop first? Hilton. And Edelman would be right behind him in non-PPR. But I still believe that there will be games where Edelman's going
Starting point is 00:26:33 to get lots and lots of targets. Okay. But you don't feel that way about Hilton? I'm ready to move on. I just don't. We already talked about that philosophy i heard that from heath and it sounds like he has bad news or something no oh okay oh okay well i do unless it's about ty well i mean we're talking about ty hilton there's nothing but bad news
Starting point is 00:26:55 yeah well here's a team name tuesday on a sunday ty very little like thank you very little thank you that's for your production ty yeah i thought you were gonna go with like ty um comforted you know like a ty comfort in like because he's like he's hilton so you go i don't think we should name a bunch of brands though because you never know it's true look i love the company it might have happened before in the history of our podcast so let's not do this again. Let's just, you know. TY Cheapies Hotel.
Starting point is 00:27:29 I was just going for something smaller. Something smaller. Jay Glazer, by the way, said that Miles Sanders' knee injury is of greater concern than Zach Ertz's ankle injury. Oh, all right. And they play on Thursday, so that means you're not going to have... You know what that means? It's Boston Scott week.
Starting point is 00:27:46 Yeah, what could go wrong? Okay, Heath's losers are Juju Smith-Schuster and T.Y. T.Y. very little. Or no, how about... And to be clear, I did send mine in first. I like two minutes. But wait, you said you sent... We have a group text. You said you sent yours in first, your
Starting point is 00:28:04 winners and losers. Dave responded to a completely different group text, though. That didn you sent... We have a group text. You said you sent yours in first, your winners and losers. Dave responded to a completely different group text, though. That's correct. That didn't include Ben Tracker. So it doesn't matter. I wanted to make sure that he could pretend like he didn't see mine. So he just sent an email.
Starting point is 00:28:15 What time do you think... I didn't see yours come in until after I sent mine. And maybe it's just my phone didn't get it. Adam Azer can be the arbiter here. I don't really care. Okay. Heath sent his winners and losers at 636.
Starting point is 00:28:31 Dave sent his at 638. There you go. No, I don't. Let's just talk about Juju Smith-Schuster and how you value him rest of season. Would you trade for him? Would you try to give him away for pennies on the dollar?
Starting point is 00:28:41 What would you do with Juju? I don't have any idea i i i'm mystified and this doesn't really happen very often as very few players in the history of football have disappeared from the face of the earth like juju's mystery is um after being as good as he was as young as he was and he did score the touchdowns which kind of erased it early but like if this was i don't know other than the touchdowns are the only thing separating juju smith schuster from ty hilton right now 100 percent um and the fact that he has a better quarterback and so they should score more touchdowns, but his career,
Starting point is 00:29:26 his season high in yards, six for 69, just like T Y. Um, who's got more targets between the two of them and more catches between the two of them. Yeah. Um,
Starting point is 00:29:37 so I, I think that Juju will have that one. Did you, who has it? I assume T Y has more targets, but Juju has more catches. TY has a lot more almost touchdowns. Juju's scored all of his almost touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:29:50 TY has an almost touchdown every single week and never scores. That's true. That's true. Yeah, it is hard. Let's say you're drafting again today. What round are you looking at Juju Smith-Schuster? I'm going to be a little more optimistic.
Starting point is 00:30:13 I'm sorry, Dave. Would you rather have Juju or Darius Slayton? I'm telling you, Juju is going to come around. It's the nature of what Pittsburgh is doing on offense. They do not have a pure number one receiver. Well, right. That's the nature of what pittsburgh is doing on offense they do not have a pure number one receiver well right that's the thing when you say juju is going to come around that's not the same thing as juju is going to have a 100 yard game where he scores a touchdown and then you're going to start him and he's going to fail again is juju going to come around to where he's reliably producing as a fantasy starter again i'm not going to say no
Starting point is 00:30:46 i don't know and i am not and i've never been the juju guy on our shows but i think that if once it's established that claypool is a problem that defenses have to address all bets are off for all three of the receivers but i think the spread is going to be pretty even i think you know what the expectations are going to be for Juju. He's probably going to... This target share that he had today is ludicrous. He'll get more than that. I would absolutely trade for Juju Smith-Schuster if I
Starting point is 00:31:13 could get him dirt cheap. Juju Smith-Schuster or T. Higgins? So I think Higgins might actually be better because I think he's going to ultimately be the number one guy for Cincinnati. So Brandon Cooks is ahead of him. better because I think he's going to ultimately be the number one guy for Cincinnati. So, Brandon Cooks is ahead of him. Yeah. Darius Slayton's
Starting point is 00:31:30 ahead of Juju, right? I think. Sterling Shepard's about to come back. Juju's had five or fewer targets in all but one game this year, I think. That's insane. I don't think he's going to all but one game this year, I think. That's insane.
Starting point is 00:31:46 I don't think he's going to have many with 8, 9, or 10. 6, 8, 5, 5, 4. 6 or 7. 6, 8, 5, 5, 4. Those are his targets. That's insane. There's one player that I go back to sometimes that was so much better than Juju, but was kind of bad.
Starting point is 00:32:01 I remember people were writing him off after a terrible Thursday night game. This was back in 2016. And it was Jordy Nelson. And Nelson had caught a bunch of touchdowns early in the season. But through six games, he had 321 yards and five touchdowns. But he was on pace for 856 yards on 72 catches.
Starting point is 00:32:21 He was not doing well. And he had a game against the Bears on Thursday night. One catch for nine yards on four targets. What's wrong with Juju, this and that? Or what's wrong with Jordy Nelson, this and that? The rest of the season, 70 catches, 936 yards,
Starting point is 00:32:35 nine touchdowns in 10 games. He went off. Do you think Juju can go off? I don't think there's any chance. How is it going to happen? I think he's got a lot of great talent. I don't think he has any chance. I just don't like, how is it going to happen? I think he's, I think he's got a lot of great talent. I don't know if I see him as the same type of receiver as Jordy Nelson is, but that's splitting errors. I'm, I'm, I am certain that this is not going to be chase Claypool running away as the number one guy in Pittsburgh.
Starting point is 00:33:00 All right. In fact, I would, I would say I might be more concerned about Deontay Johnson being that guy ahead of Claypool and ahead of Juju. I would rank them Claypool, Juju, Johnson. Does the fact that DJ Moore got more targets than Robbie Anderson today give you sort of like some hope for... I just want to get the numbers there in that game. So I'm not...
Starting point is 00:33:27 He had 11 and Robbie had five of them. Right, that's right. So he was much more involved. Anderson only had, what, 16? No, sorry. I don't know. He had fewer yards, 16 fewer yards than Moore, but he had six fewer targets.
Starting point is 00:33:41 But right, like it could happen. Does that give you some hope? You know, I think I'm kind of beating a dead horse here. I'm not dropping it. I'm saying Robbie Anderson over and over again. More targets than DJ Moore. More targets. And then all of a sudden here in week six,
Starting point is 00:33:55 11 targets for Moore, five for Anderson. The thing that happened last week does not necessarily predict what's going to happen next week. Yeah. But I was saying it wasn't just last week. It was five games. Well, no. For the first three weeks, Moore had more targets just last week. It was five games. Well, no. For the first three weeks,
Starting point is 00:34:07 Moore had more targets than Bobby Anderson. It was two games, I believe. Maybe it was three. All right. Well, those are your winners and your losers. I'm going to throw out a few more losers here just for the Worry-O-Meter. We've got three players on the Worry-O-Meter.
Starting point is 00:34:19 Mike Kosicki, Odell Beckham, Mark Andrews. Every tight end gets to catch touchdowns for the Dolphins except for Mike Kosicki. And he Beckham, Mark Andrews. Every tight end gets to catch touchdowns for the Dolphins except for Mike Kosicki. And he had two targets and no catches. This is coming after 91 yards at San Francisco. He's been very up and down, going into a bye. What's your worry-o-meter level on Mike Kosicki?
Starting point is 00:34:38 It's like a six. I don't know if I can count on him to be a reliable week-to-week tight end, but I'm going to evaluate him among my tight end choices if I have him on my team. Heath? I don't know. Five, because I have no idea. He's had two seemingly terrible matchups against the Bills and 49ers
Starting point is 00:35:06 and was a top five tight end both weeks. And he's had mostly good matchups in his last two games besides those, I believe, and just done nothing at all. He did catch a touchdown. He had like two catches
Starting point is 00:35:21 for seven yards and a touchdown. That's good for a tight line. He had like two catches for seven yards and a touchdown. He had one catch against the Jaguars for a touchdown. He's one of the 17 tight ends who might catch a touchdown next week. And 16 of them caught a touchdown this week, except for Mike Kosicki. I would like to see the correlation between Ryan Fitzpatrick's pass attempts because in the Jaguars game, I think Fitzpatrick threw 20 times and Kosicki had one catch and was a touchdown. This game, Fitzpatrick threw 27 times.
Starting point is 00:35:47 You know, it was a blowout win for the Dolphins, and it was kind of an underwhelming day for their passing game. He threw one more time last week against San Francisco, and Gasicki was awesome. Okay, never mind. I think there's obviously some correlation always between targets and pass attempts, but... Yes.
Starting point is 00:36:03 All right, Odell Beckham. I'll confirm that. Yeah. Yeah. Two catches 25 yards on four targets at Pittsburgh for Beckham. Speaking of up and down, um, where I'm going to run Beckham six. I was going to say five
Starting point is 00:36:17 at Cincinnati next week. I feel like he's a must start. He caught a touchdown against them earlier this year. Probably starting him at Cincinnati. They're going to score some points in that game. Um, I, I feel like he's a must start. He caught a touchdown against them earlier this year. You're probably starting him at Cincinnati. They're going to score some points in that game. I'm a little worried, though, because I referenced this earlier in the week that he had a lot more targets than Jarvis Landry, but the same number of catches and very similar yards.
Starting point is 00:36:40 In this game, Landry had one more target, one more catch, and 15 more yards. Neither one of them were any good but Austin Hooper also had more catches and yards so he's not a top 12 wide receiver than any of them no he's not a top 12 receiver he's not a a number a must start number two wide receiver but you're gonna start him more often than not especially if you start three wide receivers or flex. If Hooper, and this is just me, you know, railroading what we're talking about here, Adam,
Starting point is 00:37:12 but if Hooper had started the year with three straight games with five receptions, no one would have dropped him at all. We'd all be excited about him. He's led the team in targets over the past three games. That's true. And the fact that Odell is higher than a three on a Worryometer is not good. I mean, this is like, I don't know why I don't know why. Did you just think
Starting point is 00:37:31 that Pittsburgh's been so bad against wide receivers that we're going to have to throw the ball a lot? Because honestly, he's like a matchups guy. And it's not his fault. It's just their philosophy. What do you mean? It was easy to start him against the Dallas Cowboys, but for the most part, he doesn't get a lot of targets.
Starting point is 00:37:47 So why did we like him so much this week? We thought that the Browns would be playing from behind and have to throw a bunch of passes, and he gets a fourth of their targets. So we thought if they threw 40 passes, he'd get 10 targets. Yeah, I know. And I honestly, like my most agonizing decision this week, believe it or not, was to QB league,
Starting point is 00:38:05 Nick Foles or Baker Mayfield. And I thought the same exact thing that you did. So I was like, I'm just going to go with Baker Mayfield. Believe it. Yeah. So, but I don't know.
Starting point is 00:38:13 I guess I just still think that the Steelers were better than they were better than they had been defensively. My, my point is like, he's certainly not matchup proof. Odell Beckham. I think we've established that. Correct. Maybe it's more game script not matchup proof odell beckham i think we've established that correct uh maybe it's more game script than matchup but either way mark andrews all right
Starting point is 00:38:31 so i think probably dependent on how we think baker is going to do from week to week mark andrews i think i have the stat right please don't hate me if i don't but now it's going back to their week eight by. That is 14 games. In those 14 games, Mark Andrews has two games with 60 receiving yards. He does, however, have 12 touchdown catches in those 14 games, but two catches, 21 yards on four targets at Philly.
Starting point is 00:38:58 They used to yell at Dave Richard for saying, I'm looking for a receiver that's going to get me eight points without a touchdown. A tight end going to get me eight points without a touchdown. A tight end is going to be eight points without a touchdown. And now there just aren't that many of those guys. He's had a bunch of games with 50 to 60 yards. Yeah. This is concerning.
Starting point is 00:39:18 It's concerning that in half of his games this year, he has four targets or fewer. But he's had six or more targets than the other ones. He's a tight end also. So you're going to start him. He's a... We lost Jonu Smith today, for goodness
Starting point is 00:39:35 sake. Please, I don't... I hope not. Yeah, I understand he's a tight end, but is he the number three tight end? Is he a stud tight end? Is he a top 50 player? My worry-o-meter on Mark Andrews is zero. Two. Two for me.
Starting point is 00:39:53 Okay, let's go to the games. Let's get into it. Here we go. Green Bay and Tampa Bay. It was a blowout. Tampa Bay and Tampa Bay fell behind. I think it was 10-0 in this game. It was. Yeah, and then they went 38-10. Holy cow.
Starting point is 00:40:06 Heath, what do we got, believe it or not? Believe it or not, there's not going to be enough pass volume in Tampa Bay to support Chris Godwin and Mike Evans as elite wide receivers. I don't believe it. I think they were like sixth and sixth and pass
Starting point is 00:40:28 attempts per game or something like that coming in. So I'm going to say no, I don't believe I think about who their quarterback is. I think about who their head coach is. I think about who their play caller is. Well, I don't just mean pass attempts, but we're six games in now and we've
Starting point is 00:40:44 got one 300 yard game from this offense in the passing game. But, and by the way, Mike Evans has now played three games with Chris Goblin and he has 14 yards in three games. So I'm just saying, you know,
Starting point is 00:41:02 I don't know. Yeah. I don't know, man. Rob Gronkowski led the team in receiving today. It's a good question. Maybe it's not the volume that's, that I'm worried about with Evans.
Starting point is 00:41:16 Perhaps it's just the fit with Brady. Chris towers. I think he's not at a hundred percent. Well, he certainly wasn't actually, I heard that on the broadcast. Bruce Arian said he probably should not have played last Thursday against the Bears,
Starting point is 00:41:27 so he may be closer now, but he certainly was not last week against the Bears. Well, all right. Do you still think right now Goblin and Evans are must-starts? Yep. Yes. I don't believe it.
Starting point is 00:41:41 You don't believe it. Okay. I gotta believe it or not. I feel like I've gotta try to convince you guys to believe it, whether I believe it believe it. You don't believe it. Okay. I got to believe it or not. I feel like I've got to try to convince you guys to believe it, whether I believe it or not. No, I think you should just pose the question or pose. I guess it's a statement,
Starting point is 00:41:54 not a question. And then we chop it up after that. Believe it or not. There's nothing to worry about Ronald Jones the rest of the season. I do not believe. I don't either. I do not believe that. I don't either. That's three straight 100-yard games. First Bucs running back to do it since Doug Martin.
Starting point is 00:42:10 I think he looked the best this week. I think this was his best game so far. He's a hammer. He's a physical... He's turned into a hammer. Right? It's incredible. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:22 Which is funny because they said they wanted to use Leonard Fournette in the fourth quarter, but this is the guy that's breaking people's backs in the fourth quarter. I think he's earned himself some leash. Oh, I definitely think he's earned himself some leash for sure. I don't feel quite
Starting point is 00:42:37 comfortable saying there's nothing to worry about. Rest of the season. Okay, so let's do some Ronald Jones oars. Ronald Jones oars. Toddald jones oars todd gurley's i'm doing it jones um rojo ronald jones or james robinson he's fading isn't he a little bit a little bit robinson though rob think I got to go Jones.
Starting point is 00:43:06 All right, let's do a Packers buy or sell. Buy or sell. Marquez Valdez Scantling is going to be a, you know, number three wide receiver. So,
Starting point is 00:43:20 of all the guys on the Packers, that's who you're going to pick? What was I going to say? There was no storyline. Oh, yeah. Look at Robert Tanyan. He did get hurt, but he also, three catches, 25 yards on four targets. Aaron Rodgers threw for 160 yards with two picks. Okay, Robert, drop Robert Tanyan.
Starting point is 00:43:37 Buy or sell? Buy. I think you can consider it. But if you're streaming and you've been streaming two tight ends, he could still be on your roster. It's not the 25 yards that bothers me. It's the 12% target share. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:53 Well, it's only one game, though. Well, no. He's not ever been a thing when Devontae Adams was healthy. Yeah. Okay. So who would you rather have, Tanyan or Gasicki? Gasicki. I think I'd rather have Gasicki, but
Starting point is 00:44:11 it's extremely close between both of them right now. Yeah. And by the way, first game without Vita Veya for the Bucs, Aaron Jones had 10 carries for 15 yards and a touchdown, but Williams and Dillon were better. He was even lucky to get that touchdown. Aaron Jones had 10 carries for 15 yards and a touchdown, but Williams and Dylan were better. He was even lucky to get that touchdown.
Starting point is 00:44:28 They combined for nine carries for 65 yards. But yeah, still very solid up front. Sorry, I wasn't focusing on you guys. Oh, it's okay. Something must be happening in the game. Pittsburgh 38, Cleveland 7. By the way, Ben Schrager with a great stat. J.J. Ortega-Whiteside scored eight fantasy points today happening in the game. Pittsburgh 38, Cleveland seven, by the way, Ben Schrager with a great stat. Uh,
Starting point is 00:44:46 JJ, our thing, a white side scored eight fantasy points today without registering a catch. Those eight points are the best, the most fantasy points that JJ, our thing, a white side has ever scored. I did that without having a guy,
Starting point is 00:44:59 a two point conversion and the fumble recovery. All right, Heath, Pittsburgh 38, Cleveland seven, Pittsburgh had the ball for more than 34 minutes in this game. What do we got? Well, Superboy conversion and the fumble recovery. All right, Heath. Pittsburgh 38, Cleveland 7. Pittsburgh had the ball for more than 34 minutes in this game. What do we got? Well, I think you stole in my top two.
Starting point is 00:45:12 So, believe it or not, Austin Hooper is a top 12 tight end rest of the season. Believe it. PPR, I believe it. Pretty low threshold. IPR, I believe it. Pretty low threshold. I guess I'll believe it. 23 targets in his last three games. 15 catches in his last three games.
Starting point is 00:45:34 Kind of already chopped this up. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I'm still not super excited about it. It's a really crappy offense for the passing game. But look at where we are with tight ends. How many tight ends are getting five catches a game in the NFL
Starting point is 00:45:50 in 2020? He still doesn't have a touchdown, though. That will happen. He has a touchdown. What are you talking about? You're right. I'm sorry. I was looking at my Jarvis Landry note. My bad. Yes, he has a touchdown.
Starting point is 00:46:06 Okay. Top 12. Jared Cook or Austin Hooper? Cook. Hooper. Ooh. He doesn't like Jared Cook. Ben Roethlisberger had 12 fantasy points, but played pretty well.
Starting point is 00:46:21 Didn't need to do much in this game. Pretty reassuring game for James Conner. Fair to say? Yes. 20 carries for 101 yards and a touchdown. Benny Snell did have a touchdown. He did get some work near the goal line, but it was mostly Conner's day.
Starting point is 00:46:36 Snell had six carries, 17 yards and a touchdown. And I think we have talked enough. Yeah, we talked enough about the wide receivers here. So anything else? Believe it or not fantasy managers should be concerned about Kareem Hunt not no Steelers defense is incredible
Starting point is 00:46:52 especially their run defense Dearness Johnson only had four carries and Hilliard had four they were almost all very late in the game Hunt has Cincinnati Vegas by Houston yeah over the next four weeks. And by then, Chubb might be back.
Starting point is 00:47:10 Indianapolis 31, Cincinnati 27. Another time of possession game. Cincinnati had the ball for 33 minutes and 28 seconds. Heath, what do we got here? Did I steal your believe it or not? No, I just wasn't prepared with one on this game. That's when you usually blame me. Yeah, believe it
Starting point is 00:47:30 or not, Jonathan Taylor's about to explode. Going to see what his schedule is for the next several weeks. Oh, yeah. His schedule is about to get incredible after their bye. Bye, yeah. His schedule was about to get incredible after their bye. Bye, Detroit,
Starting point is 00:47:48 Baltimore, Tennessee, Green Bay, Tennessee, Houston, Las Vegas, Houston. Yes, he should be. He should have exploded this week. Well, and he kind of did. I mean, he had 100 yards. He got four passes. He just didn't get in the end zone. I mean, I don't know if that's an
Starting point is 00:48:03 explosion, but it was good. It was good. You should be encouraged with Jonathan Taylor. Good things are coming. The other thing is two games in a row where Wilkins didn't play today, but he had Jonathan Taylor. Wilkins played. I thought he was active. Oh, he's active. Okay.
Starting point is 00:48:19 Well, that's great because that's two games in a row where he has had pretty much no role. Yep. Remember when Naheem Hines had a role? Same with Hines, yeah. What would you say? Taylor or Jones? Taylor for me. Which Jones? Ronald Jones? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:36 I'll say Taylor too. Me too. Okay, great. Marcus Johnson, 108 yards on eight targets. Does he matter? I don't believe he does. Deepest of loops. I'm happy for him. Just another guy in the mix in Indianapolis.
Starting point is 00:48:52 Let's say AJ Green's on your waiver wire. How much fab? Six. I was going to say 4%. Okay, so not a huge rush to pick him up. 55% rostered. No. All right.
Starting point is 00:49:08 They have Cleveland in week seven. Let's go to Denver, New England. Denver 18, New England 12. How? What? What do we got? Yeah. Buy or sell, there's not a must-start patriot.
Starting point is 00:49:22 Believe it or not. Believe it or not. Believe it or not, there is not a must-start patriot. Oh Believe it or not. Believe it or not, there is not a must-start Patriot. Oh, believe it. Oh, yeah. I believe it. Wow. One bad game from Cam and he's not must-starting. No, it's two bad games from Cam. He looked
Starting point is 00:49:35 so bad. Now, maybe he gets his act together. Belichick even talked about it after the game that they were not ready. They didn't have enough practice time. The offensive line was patchwork. But if maybe I'm wrong. Maybe
Starting point is 00:49:52 Cam is a must start. Okay. I don't think he's a must start because here's the thing. The first two games of the season, I believe he had two rushing touchdowns in both games. Is that right? First, yeah, he had two against the Dolphins, and he had two against the Seahawks.
Starting point is 00:50:08 He's got horrible weapons in the passing game. I don't think they have a very good offensive line. I don't think he's a must-start. I think he's a must-roster, but I don't know. Must-start doesn't strike me as that. They are home against the 49ers next week. Right.
Starting point is 00:50:25 At Buffalo, they have not played great defense. At the Jets, that's going to be three touchdowns. And then Baltimore, I don't think you'll use them. Heath, you're right. I think he is a startable. Heath didn't say what he... He said must start.
Starting point is 00:50:41 No, but he didn't say... I didn't believe it or not. He didn't say if you believed it or not. Heath, do you believe it? No, but he didn't say it. I said believe it or not. He didn't say if you believe it or not. Heath, do you believe it? No, I don't believe it. Oh, okay. How about that? Believe it or not, did you guys by any chance hear
Starting point is 00:50:56 how they were pronouncing Albert O's last name on the broadcast? Not. Okunabunam? I think they were saying it in such a horribly, terribly wrong way that we have to find out. It was pretty funny.
Starting point is 00:51:09 I don't have any other believe it or nots for this, so let's move on. This game was kind of gross. Yeah. Detroit 34, Jacksonville 16. Another time of possession game. Detroit had the ball for almost 36 minutes. Every single time I buy into Gardner Minshew Heath, every time he lays an egg.
Starting point is 00:51:26 And even though his fantasy points were okay, they stunk. But what do you got for Detroit and Jacksonville? Okay, that's an unfair thing to say. Like, he scored 19 fantasy points. It was a bad week. He didn't lay an egg. Aaron Rodgers laid an egg. He laid an egg for Chenault, who I bought into heavily this week.
Starting point is 00:51:44 He laid an egg for DJ Chark. He laid an egg. He laid an egg for Chenault, who I bought into heavily this week. He laid an egg for DJ Chark. He laid an egg. DJ Chark was fine, but believe it or not, no, he wasn't. Keelan Cole should be rostered. Believe it. Dropped him this morning.
Starting point is 00:52:01 Adam. Well, I picked him up. This isn't a Gardner Minshew problem. This is just an adam azer problem i picked him up because i thought charke was going to miss the game i was thinking of starting him over daryl henderson in a ppr league and charke's gonna play i dropped him for uh cordaro patterson you know just in case david montgomery got hurt or something like that but uh look he's this is obviously by far keelan cole's best game. So let's talk about him. 31% rostered, six catches, 143 yards on nine targets. He had been 47, 58, 43, 46, 25 yards in his first five games.
Starting point is 00:52:35 So there is hope for Juju Smith-Schuster. Yeah, there you go. So what do you think? Do you believe it or not? Keelan Cole needs to be rostered. I do believe that he needs to be rostered. He gets a lot of red zone usage. He has had multiple games this season
Starting point is 00:52:47 or this year leading the team in targets. I'll probably have him projected a little bit higher than Leviska Chenault next week, but they'll all be in the same wide receiver three range. Buy or sell Matthew Stafford is going to have a great rest of
Starting point is 00:53:03 season. I'm going to sell that. Yeah, I'm going to sell it too. Not feeling it. This is a letdown. The word great is what I can't buy. Solid, I can buy. They have won two games,
Starting point is 00:53:20 and those two games were not won on the strength of Matthew Stafford's play. They were one running, running, running, and playing a little bit of defense. Like the black-eyed peas, right? He's thrown exactly 31 passes three games in a row. Wow. Okay. Oh, yeah, you're right.
Starting point is 00:53:40 How about that? It's out of the game. It's in my notes, too, and I didn't even see it. So they're at Atlanta next week, so perhaps. It's really a free space. It's unbelievable. Atlanta, great for quarterbacks. Okay, one more thing in this game. Chennault.
Starting point is 00:53:57 I mean, Heath, I can't believe you have him as a top three rookie wide receiver. I feel like people are going to drop him after this. What do you guys think, rest of season for Chennault? I think this was a bad game. Sure. I don't really appreciate the way Jacksonville is using him, but I believe in his talent and what he's done when he's been given the ball this season. And so I expect he'll be better. All right. No complaints over how they're using them. He's had at least six targets in each of his last four games. He had five catches in each of his past three going into this week. He just did not come up with as many
Starting point is 00:54:30 catches. Players have bad games. He absolutely has to be rostered. Do not cut him. Cool. Giants 20, Washington 19. Yeah, what a thriller. Believe it or not, what do we got? Yeah, believe it or not. What do we got? Yeah. Uh, believe it or not.
Starting point is 00:54:47 Logan Thomas is better than Evan Ingram special season. Don't believe it. Did Evan Ingram lead the team in receipt? No, no late late at 41 yards. No, I'm not going to believe that. But has Logan Thomas been better than Evan Ingram so far? Yeah. Other than the rushing touchdown? No, I would have to say for sure,
Starting point is 00:55:08 because I think he's had two touchdowns this year and Ingram's had one. Well, what do you think, Heath? Logan Thomas or Evan Ingram? I don't know. What is wrong with Evan Ingram? Why are we having this discussion? He had eight more PPR points than Logan Thomas
Starting point is 00:55:25 coming into the game. The simple fact that it's close between Logan Thomas, who's... He had eight more coming into the game? Yeah. Logan Thomas outscored him by eight today. So they're tied. It's ugly. It's really ugly for Evan Ingram. I think
Starting point is 00:55:42 he's an easy tight end to start to separate yourself from. If you've been using him this whole time, you need to look in a different direction here. Yeah, well, Daniel Jones threw for 112 yards against Washington. And they were lucky to win the game. 19 passes.
Starting point is 00:56:00 Yeah, I don't know if they got conservative or what, but they had a lead, and he threw that interception. They drove down the field. He threw another, just like in the Steelers game, all the way down the field. He got inside the 10-yard line. He throws another interception. Ridiculous. But you look at the running backs in this game. Gibson, McKissick. McKissick
Starting point is 00:56:16 with a big game. That's six or seven catches. Three straight games with six or seven catches and more than 40 receiving yards. And then you look at Devontae Freeman, who's getting a lot of work. How would you rank them rest of season in PPR? Gibson, McKissick, and Devontae Freeman? It's really close for me between Gibson and McKissick. And maybe I'm just a little stubborn
Starting point is 00:56:35 to not just say, screw it, McKissick. But I'm going to go Gibson, McKissick, Freeman. I think I'd go Gibson, Freeman, McKissick. I get another game with plenty of touches for Devontae Freeman. Just didn't score a touchdown, but I'm pretty encouraged by what I've seen from Devontae Freeman, and I think he's going to be a borderline number two the rest of the way. I'm worried about the efficiency for sure with Freeman
Starting point is 00:57:02 because he has not had a good rushing average at any point here. Yeah, I know. So we're kind of, what are we saying here? Because he's had a bunch of plays where he does look good, and full disclosure, I haven't watched the game in week six. I don't know how many runs he had in week six where he looked good, but a lot of the runs where he looks bad, it's because of his offensive line more so than him.
Starting point is 00:57:25 Yeah, I agree with that. He had 10 PPR points back-to-back weeks before this game. No, he had 10 and 16. For fantasy, he was good last week. He only had seven in this game. That was a bad game, but there's not enough running backs to say he's definitely not a top 24 guy.
Starting point is 00:57:46 He's on I would say the second worst offense in football ahead of the Jets. That's just my opinion. I know going into the game, I think they were... Well, going into last week, they were the lowest scoring teams. Now it's the Jets. The Giants put up a lot of points against the Cowboys, but they scored 20
Starting point is 00:58:01 points against Washington with a defensive touchdown. It's just the correlation between scoring offense and running back fantasy points has not been as strong lately. But when you start talking about these teams with terrible offenses, it's hard to get great production. But he's obviously a must-roster player. You know, you start him when you need to. McKissick's interesting, though, because this was his best game. You know, especially with the running game. Eight carries for 41
Starting point is 00:58:29 yards. I don't know how you take him over Gibson. I'm glad, Dave, that you took Gibson over him. You got to stick with that. Because Gibson himself had four catches today. Just, you know, not as many yards. We've never known McKissick to be a complete running back. We've always known him to be a passing downs back
Starting point is 00:58:47 and kind of just like a serviceable one at that. So he's making the most of the opportunity, which is great, but it's an opportunity on a terrible team where he's splitting with a player who I think is much better than him athletically. I don't want to talk about this game much longer, Heath. I'm sorry, but any issues with Terry McLaurin? Seven catches.
Starting point is 00:59:04 No, I'm going to start him again next week. Okay. All right, then. Let's go to Tennessee 42, Houston 36. This was a fun one. Deshaun Watson, 39 fantasy points. He's QB one right now. Heath, what do we got? What's our takeaway? What's our believe it or not from this game?
Starting point is 00:59:19 Believe it or not, Darren Fells is a starting fantasy tight end. I'm so mad at myself. I believe it. I knew it. First of all, let's pump the brakes here. He didn't say for the rest of the season. If Jordan Aikens is out, that's the caveat, right?
Starting point is 00:59:39 It has to be. I just asked the question. You can add your own caveat. You could say believe it if Jordan Aikens is out. I was going to pick this guy up. I called him a sleeper on Tuesday. This is, I think, six games they've thrown a touchdown to either Aikens or Fels four times.
Starting point is 00:59:53 But he usually gets two targets a game. So that's my caveat. I'd pick him up if Aikens is out. Agreed. And who do they face next week? They have Green Bay, who just struggled against Gronkowski, who's slower than Fels.
Starting point is 01:00:13 Okay, what else do we got? David Johnson is a sell-high, buy or sell? I would sell on him being a sell high. Yeah. Like he's kind of Devante Freeman on a better offense. I think he's better than Devante Freeman. Not going to be particularly efficient,
Starting point is 01:00:37 but they'll score more touchdowns and he might catch a couple more passes. Ruined his streak of four consecutive weeks with two catches. Only had one this week. But I think he's got like he's
Starting point is 01:00:54 six, five, five weeks in a row now where he's had more touches each week. First week of the season this week with 20 touches. Brandon Cooks, Will Fuller. Two good games. Fuller was a little better. A lot better. But both were good.
Starting point is 01:01:10 So that was encouraging. Jason Lock and Fora reported on Fantasy Football Today this morning that the Texans might go into fire cell mode. Certainly after a loss like the one they had in week six. That could happen a little sooner than later. And Fuller is not under contract after this year. Interesting. So I would put this at like a 5% chance of it happening.
Starting point is 01:01:34 It would be bad for either of them. Well, I mean, we don't know where Fuller would go. If you are just looking to pick up a wide receiver who's pretty widely available, Adam Humphreys or Keelan Cole and Humphreys has now six or seven targets in like four out of five games. Does Humphreys keep it up when Corey Davis comes off the COVID-19 list? Well, what's your answer? Cole or Humphreys? I would say Cole because I think if John is okay and or Corey Davis comes off the COVID list, Humphreys won't be as good. I do not understand how I'm going so slowly
Starting point is 01:02:07 today, guys. We have a lot of games left. Let's go. Chicago and Carolina. Chicago 23, Carolina 16. Go! Actually, DJ Moore is the number one wide receiver on the Panthers. Nope. Don't believe it. Don't believe it. Heath?
Starting point is 01:02:23 No. No. I mean, I's this is a 1a 1b situation and there's a chance that dj moore ends up being better certainly but as of right now i'd still have to lean towards robbie anderson give me one more week of dj moore and then i'll say that dj moore is the number one and then robbie anderson can be the best again i really think it could come down to the type of defenses that they're playing and i I've said before that DJ Moore kind of struggles against man coverage, but in zone, he's good. And the Bears played a lot of zone. And that's bad for a deep ball guy like Robbie.
Starting point is 01:02:54 Robbie makes an awesome catch. But Robbie's not a deep ball guy in Carolina. He was today. He had a couple of really – he laid out for a deep ball that was awesome. But this was a DJ Moore game plan. I don't think we're heading toward DJ Moore being disused every single week.
Starting point is 01:03:12 Buy or sell. It would be nice if David Montgomery would look like a good running back every now and then. I mean, this guy... He looked good as a pass catcher today. First of all, Madison was such a bust today. Montgomery was not exactly a bust, but he was a little disappointing.
Starting point is 01:03:28 Both of these guys had chances to score touchdowns and came very, very close, especially Dave Montgomery. He had a touchdown called back. Yes. But still, three yards per carry against this defense? He just, he has been... What? At least he had the opportunity. At least, remember,
Starting point is 01:03:49 he had played 80% of the snaps in weeks four and five, and he had only 10 carries in each. So how are you feeling about him? He is my reluctant RB2. Okay. Yeah, I mean, look, the touches are very encouraging.
Starting point is 01:04:03 Four catches again. Yeah, it's not going to change. No. Unless hurt okay ronald jones or david montgomery jones montgomery okay mike davis scored that was wonderful and he had a really rotten game and he left a couple of times with an ankle injury but i believe he finished the game and he fumbled too yeah all right baltimore 30 philadelphia 28 wild game here ravens had the ball for over 36 minutes ankle injury, but I believe he finished the game. And he fumbled too. Baltimore 30, Philadelphia 28. Wild game here. Ravens had the ball for over 36 minutes, 36 and a half. Heath, believe it or not,
Starting point is 01:04:32 if Mark Ingram misses time, Gus Edwards will be the best Ravens running back. I can't believe it. Don't believe it. He'll be good, but I think J.K. Dobbins will be better. I have no idea, Heath.
Starting point is 01:04:48 What do you think? I would wager on the side of Dobbins because of the passing game work, but I do think Gus Edwards has been more involved as a runner. He out-carried him 14-9 in this game. And if it's a split to that range, then I'm still not sure that Dobbins is going to be startable even if Ingram's out.
Starting point is 01:05:13 And that doesn't sound very good. Well, they have a bye next week. So you're sitting there, you have Dobbins. He doesn't even get more carries than Gus Edwards when Ingram gets hurt. And then he has a bye. And then let's say Ingram misses week eight. It's Pittsburgh. It's unfortunate.
Starting point is 01:05:29 For Marquise Brown, I understand how rostering Marquise Brown might be annoying. You kind of have to start him. He led the team in receiving with only 57 yards, but it's hard to get away from him. I really think we've seen Justin Jefferson, what we've seen from him three of the last
Starting point is 01:05:45 four weeks Marquise Brown's going to have a stretch similar to that and Justin Jefferson's going to have a stretch similar to what Marquise Brown's had this year Brown still doesn't have a game this year with below 21% target share from Lamar Jackson well that's good the issue is more about Jackson not
Starting point is 01:06:01 throwing a ton real quick guys do you think it's worth picking up Carson Wentz 32 fantasy points for is more about Jackson not throwing a ton. Real quick, guys. Do you think it's worth picking up Carson Wentz? 32 fantasy points for Wentz. Getting the Giants and then the Cowboys. Yep. Yeah. On your list of bi-week quarterbacks.
Starting point is 01:06:17 I picked up Carson Wentz in a league this morning just to have him for when Gardner Minshew went on bye. I wish I would have started him instead of Gardner Minshew today. Yeah. I think Minshew felt, I think Minshew was on by today. He's Atlanta 40 Minnesota. I've got one more, believe it or not. And maybe we address it on a future podcast, believe it or not.
Starting point is 01:06:35 Now's the time to sell high on Lamar Jackson. I don't think the perception of what he did today is that good. I had people complaining about it, but it might be. Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, New England. I just wonder if he might be better in those games because they actually have to try the whole game. Yeah, that's a great point. Earlier this year when he took on Kansas City,
Starting point is 01:06:58 you knew that he had to try in that game and he stunk. He was terrible. I would be interested in hearing what kind of offers I could get for Lamar Jackson. And I've got him in a 2QB league. Would you rather have Deshaun Watson or Lamar Jackson? I'm not ready to... I think I'm ready to say...
Starting point is 01:07:17 I think I am ready to say Deshaun Watson. Because his game script is crystal clear from here on out with that defense being what it is. Not running though. And I anticipate he'll run more, but doing a hell of a job as a passer. Yeah. And his schedule is pretty favorable too.
Starting point is 01:07:37 All right. Atlanta 40 and Minnesota 23. And this, okay. Minnesota's time of possession is pathetic. This is, I think this is the third game with less than 20 minutes of possession, or at least less than 21.
Starting point is 01:07:48 Unbelievable. Heath, what do we got? Can I just do a tight end on every single game? Hayden Hurst? Yeah. Believe it or not, Hayden Hurst is a starting fantasy football tight end. I've said it before on this very podcast. Julio Jones is the linchpin for this offense.
Starting point is 01:08:09 When he's out there, good things happen for everybody else on the Falcons. And when he's not there, bad things happen for most of them. And as long as Julio's rolling, it's much softer coverage on guys like Hayden Hurst. And talking about game script, you know how it's going to go for Falcons games
Starting point is 01:08:24 because that defense ain't getting better. He's a startable tight end. I think what's very interesting is when you look at, you could divide Matt Ryan's season in two different ways, three great games and three bad games. And you could say Julio Jones is the common denominator when he's been healthy in those three great games with 28, 35, and 38 points. But also keep in mind, they played in those three games, Seattle, Dallas, and Minnesota. So it's interesting. The other games were against Chicago, Green Bay, and Carolina,
Starting point is 01:08:58 who somehow, someway, once again, great against Allen Robinson. They're just so good against wide receivers and quarterbacks. I don't understand it. But it's just interesting because I do think Julio Jones is the linchpin. And I started Matt Ryan because Julio Jones played and it paid off. But you can't ignore that he's played Seattle, Atlanta,
Starting point is 01:09:20 and Seattle, Dallas, and Minnesota in the three games. Well, here comes Detroit, Carolina, Denver. Well, yeah, you heard what I just said about Carolina, but it should be very smooth sailing for them. Yeah. Otherwise, we talked about the Minnesota wide receivers, and you can probably get rid of Kirk Cousins now going into his bye week.
Starting point is 01:09:42 He scored 29 points, and it pretty much pissed me off because he played terribly. Miami 24 and the jets zero. Uh, yeah. What a game. Uh,
Starting point is 01:09:52 Heath, what do you got? Believe it or not. Miles Gaskin is a top 15 running back rest of season. It's close. I think the answer is yes. I believe it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:08 And now this is Gaskin or Ronald Jones is quite interesting. I, yeah, I, right. That's tough. You take the physical runner. Who's going to score more touchdowns or the more versatile runner who probably has the job locked up the rest of the season.
Starting point is 01:10:22 As long as he stays healthy. You tell me. I think Jones carries a little bit, a little bit more value. Heath. Rojo. You have any thoughts on Jamison Crowder's disappointing day? 13 targets
Starting point is 01:10:47 absolutely keeps him in the starting rotation for my squad. How about Rashad Perriman coming through for 62 yards and four catches? 86 to go, guys. Dolphins are going to make the playoffs, by the way. Dolphins are going to make the playoffs.
Starting point is 01:11:03 They got to get healthy on defense. That's part of the problem. They're 3-3. They don't need anything. It was cool to see Taco Vidal-O play. Yeah, sure. They're going into their bye. They'll get healthy. Okay, look at their schedule. Rams tough. At Arizona, that won't
Starting point is 01:11:19 be easy. Chargers, Broncos, Jets, Bengals. Piece of cake. Then this Kansas City team. They suck. New England, Vegas, Buffalo. They'll fall apart at the end. They're 8-8. That might get you in.
Starting point is 01:11:35 Good show. Yeah, you got an extra spot this year. Might get you in. Maybe. Who do you guys think is better right now? Patriots or Dolphins? Patriots. Still the Patriots think is better right now? Patriots or Dolphins? Patriots. Still the Patriots. Wait.
Starting point is 01:11:48 Right now, I think the Dolphins are better because the Patriots have a lot of players that are not eligible to play. But I think by the time the Patriots and Dolphins play each other, again, the Patriots will be better. Okay. All right, fellas.
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