Fantasy Football Today - Week 9 Recap! James Conner Wins, Chiefs Offense Loses (11/07 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: November 8, 2021

The Jaguars beat the Bills, and that basically sums up Week 9! It was a weird week but we did have big winners (3:30) and losers (5:00). Devonta Freeman is a thing again and D.J. Moore is a big concern. We'll also give you the big news (8:40) and the MegaDuds (12:50)! What is going on with Patrick Mahomes!? ... We've got MegaDud RBs (21:00) and WRs (23:30) as well, plus more winners (25:30) like Devonta Smith and Brandon Aiyuk and losers (32:15) such as Boston Scott and Kadarius Toney ... Recapping every game with our Fantasy takes (39:00) ... Email us at [e-mail] Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Welcome to Fantasy Football Today. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck. Welcome to Fantasy Football Today, your Sunday night recap of Week 9, where Josh Allen, the defender, outscored Josh Allen, the quarterback, where Jordan Love outscored Patrick Mahomes, and where Elijah Moore outscored DJ Moore. And every other wide receiver going into Sunday night football. Elijah Moore is wide receiver one in week nine. Week nine is not our favorite week.

Boo. Week nine. What a weird week, huh? Weird week. Terrible week. Terrible, terrible week. There were some entertaining games, but it really felt like the worst week of the year. And I think it was because there was a lot of terrible quarterback play. And it's not just the guys that you knew were going to be bad, like, like Jordan love or, you know, any of the other, you know, backup types, but also Josh Allen, miserable, Patrick Mahomes, miserable, Kyler Murray, at least you knew to bench him. There was just, there was horrible horrible

quarterback play throughout much of week nine yeah except for thursday night heath looks pissed at week nine you know in years past when a week like this happened who am i kidding i'm not sure a week like this has ever really happened um i i might have come on a little bit salty because i lost more than i won because both of my remaining undefeated teams are in serious jeopardy because patrick mahomes is apparently no longer good at football but i'm gonna try to just be a positive person and i think i just had a really good tweet in promoting this show. And so I'm just going to try to focus on the positives this week and not get too down.

Congratulations, Adam, on your just blowout victory in the 2QB League. I started Patrick Mahomes and Jordan Love. That worked out well. Dave, taking me down, taking down the first place team in our auction league.

Congratulations on that victory. And I'm just going to try to be strong. Thank you, Heath. And you know what? I'm going to let you continue that with the biggest winner of week nine. Well, look, I think one of the reasons why week nine feels so bad, honestly, is because the Jaguars beat the Bills. And it's just – That was honestly maybe my favorite part of week nine.

Maybe my favorite thing that happened in week nine was the joy on the faces of those Jacks. But it was kind of what happened in most of my fantasy leagues. Every league where I had a good team, I was the Bills facing Jacksonville, and I lost. Oh, man. All right, so who's the biggest winner this week other than Urban Meyer? I think what I sent in was everyone who faced me, but honestly, my biggest winner was probably Devontae Freeman because coming out of the bye, he was pretty clearly the lead back.

And for most of the game, we did see a little bit of Tyson Williams, but mostly just on plays where they didn't want the running back to touch the ball. Devontae Freeman was the lead back, and it was a two-back committee with him and Le'Veon Bell, who also didn't look bad. I think 13 carries, three targets for Freeman. If that holds steady, and if the Baltimore Ravens season tells us anything it's that we shouldn't make too much out of one week but if that holds steady then Freeman is a borderline top 25 running back rest of season as silly as that sounds it's true he played 58 of the snaps that was a season high for him and I thought he looked good I agree I thought Le'Veon also looked good we don't know when

Latavius Murray is going to come back. And when he does come back, I'm not sure what that means. Yeah, it shouldn't matter. Why? Well, maybe it shouldn't matter. It shouldn't matter. But it might matter. Then there's no need to correct me.

No, no, no. But it might matter. You know, it might matter. Right. You know, we don't know what they're going to do. Latavius was, I would say, their number one guy before he got hurt.

Is that fair to say? Yeah. And he was leading the run game. I would say by all Adam Azer measurements, they're worst running back that they've played so far this season. Absolutely. A hundred percent.

All right. Yeah. And you know, I didn't see him in any of our winners or losers, but I would say similar kind of win for Eli Mitchell. He only got eight carries if you saw the box score. Well, they only had nine running back carries.

Nothing for Jeff Wilson. One, I think, for Hasty. So it was all Mitchell. He also had some catches. Five targets and five catches. Yeah, right now it looks like he's still their number one guy. Maybe that changes as Wilson gets a little healthier, but that, that,

that was encouraging Dave. Who's the biggest loser of week nine, the biggest loser of week nine. I'm going to put it on DJ more who I w we, we talked about it late in the week, Adam, we were nervous about what we were going to get out of him. Patriots forget about the Patriots doing something to take him away.

Sam Darnold did a lot to take him away. Darnold was miserable. There's already chatter coming out of Carolina that Donald's something to take him away. Sam Darnold did a lot to take him away. Darnold was miserable. There's already chatter coming out of Carolina that Darnold's going to get benched. Matt Rule talked about after the game that they can't just keep putting the ball on the air like they did. And I don't know if P.J. Walker is going to be a better thing for D.J. Moore moving forward. And Moore's really been not great, honestly, for the majority of the year, but especially the last several weeks. Yeah. And I really think, what do you think? I think it's just basically a Darnold thing

because he leads the team in receiving on a weekly basis. It's just Darnold threw for 172 yards and that's been one of his better games lately. You're lucky as heck if he gets to 200 yards. He doesn't throw touchdowns anymore. By the way, he did not lead the team in receiving. McCaffrey did. No, McCaffrey did. But he led the team in targets. But he led the team in targets.

But, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if the Panthers were undefeated. But the thing is, to me, I guess it's just a quarterback issue is that how you see it but i think that has clearly a lot to do with it yeah but they're they're still going to run into some tough defenses here the rest of the way and eventually terrence marshall's gonna get a look and mccaffrey's back that's gonna take some work away from the passing game just in general like the best way to hide your quarterbacks mistakes is to run the football we're going to see carolina try and do some of that i don't know if they've got the offensive line to really let mcafree break out and have a monster

year but i'm not feeling good about dj more if i've got him on my team like i know i do this kind of thing a lot and it's just fantasy world and it won't actually happen even though i know i don't know why it won't actually happen why don't the panthers call cam yeah i don't know i think you know the answer like cam's been not very good the last couple times he's placed quarterback cam newton's never been as bad as sam donald's been the last three or four games yeah probably not i would say you're absolutely right about that bad cam newton is an upgrade over what they're getting right now yeah right but bad jerseys sure it could be a wonderful business i don't know how many jerseys will sell a lot of

people already have cam newton jerseys well'll sell. A lot of people already have Cam Newton jerseys. Well, he can wear a new number. You can choose whatever number. He wore like 99 or something. Choose whatever number you want. Yeah, I just think that the coaching staff feels like they didn't want him. How big of an upgrade would he be over PJ Walker and Sam Darnold?

Let's face it, it's not going to be enough to turn around the Panther season. Let's go. Who cares? Stop embarrassing yourselves. Darnold. Let's face it. It's not going to be enough to turn around the Panther season. Let's go. Let's go. Stop embarrassing yourselves. They stink. Fantasy Football Today is now on Amazon Alexa Flash Briefings. You can ask Alexa to add

CBS Sports Fantasy Football Today to your Alexa Flash Briefing. Good stuff. Another great way to access our show. Now we got the big news for you here and thankfully the one good thing about week nine is we don't have awful injuries. Shouldn't have said that with two games left, should I have? But the Raiders are signing Deshaun Jackson.

Does that do anything for you guys? Raiders signing Deshaun Jackson? I thought it was interesting because it probably means they're not signing Odell Beckham, right? Yeah. Well, I guess not. We're certainly not going toell Beckham, right? Yeah. Well, I guess not. We're certainly not going to put in the waiver claim for him. Unless they are.

Carr needs him. But I would be surprised if they did that. Carr needs him. Yeah, I think you've got to be a little worried. The offense needs a burner to take the top off. But also, and we can talk about this more when we talk about the Raiders game. Like, Carr was also just bad today, and I think the Raiders have a pretty built-in excuse,

as rough as their season has been with things that are beyond their control, at least the guys that are there now. But he just blatantly missed Waller multiple times for touchdowns. Easy touchdowns. Yeah, they played a great team. Give them a little bit of a break here. Ezekiel Elliott hurt his knee, but he returned to the game. Congrats. Congrats. team give him a little bit of a break here uh ezekiel elliott hurt his knee but he returned to the game now uh congrats congrats guy removed any chance of getting a top five pick so we can solve that problem nope we got the bears pick don't worry all right josh jacobs and kenyon

drake both got a little dinged up in this game uh jacobs came back in when drake hobbled off probably okay they got a big game against the Chiefs next week. Jacobs was running hot early in that game. And then Drake was. Zach Moss left with a concussion. That's probably the biggest news right now. Devin Singletary, 75% rostered. Josh Allen sacked Josh Allen.

Josh Allen intercepted Josh Allen. And Josh Allen recovered a Josh Allen fumble. Very fun stuff. You remember when they used to do the wrestling retirement matches? I was thinking after the sack that this should have been a name match where only one of them got to keep the name Josh Allen, and whoever won the battle, whoever lost, had to change their name. What would Josh Allen, the quarterback's name have changed to?

I mean, I think the best thing would have been if he changed his name to Alan Josh. Okay. Ramadre Stevenson. Actually, the Patriots got pretty banged up. Stevenson,

Damian Harris, Johnny Smith. They all had injuries. And that's going to be pretty interesting when we make our waiver claims on Tuesday. So we'll hopefully get some good news there from New England. Chase Edmonds left with an ankle injury after one touch.

Right. Yeah. One snap. Chase Edmonds out. Thankfully, no update from Cliff Kingsbury. Thankfully, I only have Chase Edmonds on 14 of my 20 teams. No, you don't. It didn't really impact my day. No. Do you remember? I don't think it was last year. I think it was two years ago when David Johnson

played like three or four snaps. And he hobbled off and Chase Edmonds came in and he had a monster game. I think it was against the New York football team. It sure was. And this is what this game felt like for James Conner. Yeah, James Conner. I think James Conner's future trajectory

could be better than what chase Edmonds trajectory was after that game. Yeah. The next game for Edmonds, he played the saints and he had a horrible game. The saints that were tough, tough matchup. James Connor is your number one running back in fantasy.

Somebody beat Jonathan Taylor and it was James Connor with 96 rushing yards, 77 receiving yards, three total touchdowns. Amazing. I started chase Edmonds in a league and had James Conner on the bench. So that was fun. I'm sure a lot of people did.

One of the more interesting things I heard today, guys, was during the Chargers-Eagles broadcast, announcer Charles Davis said that Mike Williams has been dealing with a knee injury and they haven't really been talking about it. So we were worried about him, and rightfully so. Oh, we're still very worried about him. Yeah, well, look, we knew, especially going up against Darius Slate,

but now you get this knee thing, and he did have an end zone target on the opening drive. He couldn't come down with it. He had a catch, or I think it was actually incomplete, of the one-yard line on the next play, but only five targets in a bad game for Williams. And that's it for the news and know we got a few more news items a little bit later, but that's the big news. Meanwhile, your mega duds. So I got a bunch of mega duds here, guys who had terrible games. I want you to tell me who you're worried

about going forward. All right, we start with three quarterbacks, Patrick Mahomes, Derek Carr, and Josh Allen. All of them scoring about 11, 9 to 12 points and 6 points for passing touchdown leagues. Mahomes with 12, Allen with 9, Carr with 11. And if you have Darrell Williams, by the way, it was pretty frustrating because he got stopped at the goal line twice before Mahomes' only touchdown pass.

So Mahomes could have had an even worse game. He also got stopped at the goal line when they settled for a field goal. He had three times, I think, he was tackled inside the two-yard line. He's the headliner of the almost touchdowns. But Mahomes, Allen, and Carr, mega duds. Who are you worried about going forward, Dave? I'm not worried about Derek Carr because I don't have to make line-up decisions on him except in two quarterback and super flex leagues.

If I need a bi-week replacement quarterback, I'm not going to be ready to trust Derek Carr anytime soon. Mahomes, I am definitely worried about. This has been three straight weeks, sub-20 fantasy point performances. Defenses are consistently finding ways to limit him. He's making sloppy mistakes. His protection isn't stellar. There's a lot of trouble going on right now limit him. He's making sloppy mistakes. His protection isn't stellar. There's a lot of trouble going on right now with him.

The one I'm least concerned about is Josh Allen. Hopefully he can bounce back from this and come back with a three-touchdown game as soon as next week. All right, Heath, let's talk about Mahomes a little bit here because the previous four games, now they've mentioned three because they were three bad fantasy games,

but you look at the previous four games for him, his 16-game pace was 4,600 yards, 20 touchdowns, 24 interceptions, but also 548 rushing yards. Now 4,600 yards is pretty good, but he was averaging 46 pass attempts per game. So the yards per attempt, terrible. 6.25 yards per attempt in his four games before this. I don't even know what it is after this. They keep

trying to hit the big plays and they're consistently incomplete. So what do you think about Mahomes going forward? Is he a top five quarterback going forward? I'm really trying to... I don't know.

We had a group chat going with a bunch of my friends I'm really trying to like, I don't know. I, I, we had a group chat going with a bunch of my friends. Um, cause you know, I'm from just 20 minutes from Arrowhead and, my home league, just a big group of guys.

And just, there's a chat about what's wrong with them, what's going on. And the consensus and what I think it probably is, it seems a lot like the yips. Um, the homes is just doing uncharacteristically dumb things. Occasionally,

not every play by any means. Kelsey drops two or three passes a game. Sometimes Tyreek drops a pass. Hardman can't hold on to the, like it's like the entire offense is just waiting for what's going to go wrong. And I think it's almost an impossible thing for us or football writers to diagnose. I don't know when it's going to stop.

It might not stop this year. And so I think it probably will. I still think they're probably going to remember how to play football unless we find out that the Monstars stole all of their talents and now they're going to have a game in some faraway planet. But I don't have any other explanation. Like they're not this bad. They didn't lose all of their ability to play good football. The NFL didn't figure out Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and Tyree kill, but they are very successfully taking away the big play. And they've always tried to do that, but it's working this time, much more so than in the past.

I just, like, watching these games, I do not think it's entirely that defenses are preventing the... Because you said it, they're trying to make those plays. And often, those throws are hitting receivers' hands. Often, it's times where Tyree Kill has beat his man by two steps and Mahomes overthrows him by four feet. I don't know. I hadn't really seen that as much

I guess. I thought it was double coverage a lot and kind of forcing it. It is sometimes double coverage and it is sometimes forcing it. Those plays they made over the past two years in double coverage, in forcing it, and they're just the past two years in double coverage in forcing it and they're just not making any of them at all it's really interesting dave you know it kind

of reminds me of how many times did people say tom brady's done and every time he's he showed you he wasn't um but i don't know what you do here you know do you just roll out obviously kelsey and hill i know he'll have a great game. He still had a ton of targets. Kelsey responded. I know everybody's going to start them. I was trying to kind of beat around the bush, too, because the headliner for Believe It or Not tomorrow,

I was going to wait until we got to the game, but I'll just do it now. Patrick Mahomes is no longer a must-start quarterback. I'm not ready to believe that? I'm not ready to, I'm not ready to believe that I'm not ready to, I it's so hard to put a guy who as recently as five or six weeks ago was putting up huge fantasy numbers. Yeah.

Putting that guy on your bench is a risk. It is, it obviously comes down to who you're starting over him well let's go sorry no i mean you if you want to start naming names you can but if you want to be encouraged it's that i would think that the chiefs by now are understanding that they've got to do something to at least make it so that not every single game they're in is tight and that they're making self-inflicted mistakes their schedule for the rest of the season i think is mostly good like they've got las vegas next week that's a team that's got a pretty decent pass rush but their secondary isn't good they've got dallas their defense is starting to fall apart a little bit

the week after that and then they're in a buy in week 12 so So I don't know if these next two games are the right time to say, all right, let's get away from Mahomes and let's just pretend he's on bye for the next three weeks. You can consider what other options you have at quarterback, but I don't know if I'd feel really good sitting somebody with that type of upside on a fantasy bench. All right, so I'm just going to give you quarterbacks for rest of season versus Patrick Mahomes.

If I guarantee you that Aaron Rogers plays next week, would you rather Rogers or Mahomes? No, I'll take Rogers home against Seattle. No, no, no. Rest of season.

Oh, I thought you said you're guaranteeing. Oh, I mean, he's bad. Yeah. Um, Rogers are pretty easy one for me because he's been a low-end number one quarterback this

season right not not if you don't include the dream of the homes he's been about 19 fantasy points last week top six i think he didn't have davante adams he's got two weeks this season as a top five quarterback yeah but but i think if you look if you're willing to exclude week one he's a top six quarterback and if you're willing to exclude week one, he's a top six quarterback. And if you're willing to exclude week one and the Devontae Adams-less week, he's probably even better than that. Can we take out Patrick Mahomes two worst weeks and see what he is?

Whatever you want. But I think it's pretty reasonable to at least get rid of the game without Devontae Adams. But all right, fine. That one seems pretty close. Patrick Mahomes or Jalen Hurts, who throws 15 times a game now? Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes or Jalen Hurts, who throws 15 times a game now. Mahomes.

Patrick Mahomes or Justin Herbert. Another one going in the wrong direction. Did you say Herbert? Yeah. I think I'm still... This is tough. I kind of like Herbert. I really do.

But I don't want to trust him when there's a tough matchup. And I still think he's got a handful of tough matchups left. More than Mahomes. I'll say Mahomes. What did you say, Heath? I didn't hear the third name. I'm sorry. Oh, Herbert.

Justin Herbert. Mahomes. All right. All right, let's go to the Megadeth. Mahomes is the top five-ish type of fantasy quarterback. Heavy on the ish. Seems that way. Okay, let's go to the Megadud running backs now.

Megadud running backs. Boston Scott, 10 carries for 40 yards. Jordan Howard led the way with 17 carries, 71 yards and a touchdown. Kenneth Gainwell barely got any touches, but he scored. I think, is that my only Megadud running back? It was also my only loser, so we can just cover both those segments all at once. All right, but he scored. I think, is that my only mega dud running back? It was also my only loser, so we can just cover both those segments all at once.

All right, go for it. And I don't want any, I'm not trying to take any credit, but this is what I was scared of with Boston Scott, was just that Jordan Howard didn't do much in the first half last week, but gained more

YPC for life than Boston Scott last week, and they gave him that many touches in his first game back. And so I just didn't feel confident in who was going to be the lead back. And I think Scott actually started out, but Jordan Howard's first two carries went for 26 yards. It's not as if they're being dumb and just saying, we're going to run slow Jordan Howard at three yards per carry. And we don't want to play our good running back Jordan Howard's outperforming Boston Scott and in fairness if you were to go back and just didn't know anything about football and you looked at Jordan Howard's pro football reference player page and Boston Scott's you would assume Jordan Howard's going to be the

starting running back for the Philadelphia Eagles and not Boston Scott. So I think that he just like, he's just not, they don't view him as good as Jordan Howard. I don't know if they necessarily view him as not as good as Jordan Howard, but there's no question who the better running back was in this game. And you saw it right away. You mentioned it, Jordan Howard, his first two carries, he looked good. And I just think that was a hot hand type deal. And, uh, that's, I really think it's that simple. Well, Austin Scott just did not get off to a good start and Jordan Howard did.

And Howard ended up being the better fantasy running back. What was weird was that they both played, uh, eight second half snaps each and gain. Well, I believe had like in the neighborhood of seven to 11. I don't have the exact number in front of me, but gamewell really did not play much in the first half and then he was the guy that was just in at when they got near the goal line in the second half and gainwell punched it in and so they were they were playing from behind the whole second half right sure but gainwell only played 19 of the snaps it's pretty close game though i mean yeah mean, yeah, but it was, you know, it was a pretty back and forth game. And Scott led the way.

I think that's the problem for Howard is if they get down two scores in a game, I'm not sure we see Jordan now. So are you going to start any Eagles running back next week against the Broncos at Denver? Jordan Howard will be a high in flex. Agreed. All right, Megadud wide receivers.

Any long-term issues with these guys amari cooper cd lamb adam feeling jamar chase courtland sutton so we got the two i think two cowboys sorry i'll just recap two cowboys guys feeling who did catch a touchdown but only had six yards jamar chase and courtland sudden i think i should definitely just call adam feel in a um touchdown dependent flex again so he can go catch seven passes for 120 yards and two touchdowns um i don't know i don't think i really like i had the most concern about feeling i think but i'm mostly just going to start all these guys okay i'm concerned the most about sudden oh yeah sudden i think you're not the biggest worry guy

here the fact that he only had two targets i thought jerry looked good jerry judy looked good again just didn't come through with you know a touchdown or you know 60 yard pass or anything like that tim patrick had a real nice game and then he got hurt in the second half. Sutton's a good player, but he's not the clear number one guy that Bridgewater's just going to keep throwing to over and over again. Okay, I think

Tim Patrick, by the way, had cramps. It was reported after the game, so he seems okay and never drops anything. He's just a sure- handed guy. Okay, let's go to our winners and losers. This is a bit of a surprise and it's not a spoiler for anyone.

First carry of the game for the Titans goes to Adrian Peterson. Is that a surprise? I kind of figured that Jeremy McNichols would at least like he's been on the team for more than four days. I thought they might give him the first touch. No way, man. I knew it was going to be Peterson. Oh, I wish we had bet than four days. I thought they might give him the first touch. No way, man. I knew it was going to be Peterson. Oh, I wish we had bet that.

I'm sure I can say that now, right? I knew it was going to go all along. I knew it. First catch to A.J. Brown. I would have guessed that, too. Okay, let's do some winners and losers here. Heath gave us... Who will have the last carry for the Titans among their running backs?

Oh, no. It'll be a Ryan Tannehill kneel down. No, no, no, no, no. A big upset victory. No, I'm not including Tannehill. No, I. It'll be a Ryan Tannehill kneel down. No, no, no, no. Yes. No, I'm not including Tannehill. I just picked them to win. It'll be Peterson. Last carry.

Okay, winners. Heath already gave us Devontae Freeman. There's another Devontae that had a huge game. Started in only 40% of leagues. Devontae Smith had 116 yards on only six targets. And I don't remember off the top of my head how many yards Jalen Hurts threw for, but it was like 150 or 60 or something.

And... And... That was not a good... I don't think we're going to get the deal down after that play. 162. 162. 116 of them to Devontae Smith. Heath, throw him back in your lineup at Denver next week. Not just like without any hesitation.

I would guess I'm going to have him as a borderline number two wide receiver. It was just good to see him have some success with Jalen Hurts to see Dallas. It wasn't good to see Dallas Goddard struggle, but to see Dallas Goddard not completely dominate all production in the passing game, because this does look like they've made a shift to a more run heavy approach, at least for the time being. And so it's okay for them to be a run heavy offense.

If it's concentrated targets between Devante Smith and Dallas Goddard is the one in the two. It was a problem. If Dallas Goddard was the clear 25% George Kittle, Travis Kelsey target share getter, and Smith was just an afterthought. And I think this type of production keeps him in that one-two combo range and not the afterthought range.

Okay. The Eagles over the last three weeks, Adam, listen to this. Last three weeks against Las Vegas, 18 running back carries against Detroit. Blowout against Las Vegas, 18 running back carries. Against Detroit, blowout win for them, 37 running back carries. In this loss against the Chargers, 29 running back carries for the Philadelphia Eagles. Heath is 100% right. They are learning to lean on their ground game,

and I think they are learning that Jalen Hurts doesn't need to have the entire weight of the offense put on his shoulders for them to be competitive. So I don't know how big of a winner Devontae Smith is, but at least for another week or two, you'll probably feel OK flexing him. Well, no, because if they really are going to be this committed to the run, then I'm actually going to be discouraged by not his game, not Smith's game, but the fact that Jalen Hurts has, I think, 31 pass attempts in his last two games. I think that's extremely low, and there's no way that's going to... Yeah, you know what?

Considering Smith gets such a big share of the targets, I guess he doesn't need to throw that much. But he can't throw 17 times. If you tell me he's going to throw 17 times, I'd be nervous about it. Give me like 24 at least. All right.

Brandon Ayuk, 50% rostered and six catches, 89 yards and a touchdown. Let's pair him with a winner for Dave Donovan Peoples-Jones, 29% rostered. I am sure that even Dave would prefer Ayuk to Peoples-Jones. But, yeah, do you think that there's going to be Heath you can start for both Iuke and Peoples Jones you know a good second half here I think there could be but Peoples Jones is going to be a little bit more boom busty and a better best ball play but for me the Peoples Jones thing is more about I feel like there's a little bit of upside there for dynasty purposes now. There's a little bit of long-term hope for Donovan Peoples-Jones

as a fantasy asset. For Iyuk, and dumb me, I thought coming into this year he was their number one wide receiver. He kind of looked like their number one wide. He looked like the guy we thought he was in this game. That's probably going to be a problem for devo samuel now that george kittle's back if brandon iuk's going to play this well not that samuel can't be good but if it's a three-headed attack in the passing game especially if they go

to trey lance and it's a problem for everybody yeah but very very good for iuk that he's at least back in the conversation okay uh dave your winners winners are Connor, Drake, and Peoples Jones, if you want to add anything there. Well, Drake just got a decent amount of work in the passing game. I think we know what his role is. So if you're in a PPR league, I think you can at least consider Drake as a flexible option. And we know that Jacobs misses time.

Flexible option. I like that. I like that. Flexible option. I've never really heard anybody call it that. Well, you know. But he's a little banged up, right? For us in the aerobics world, we have terms like that all the time.

Is he a little beat up? Yeah, he got banged up. I didn't think it was anything. If he's okay to play next week against the Chiefs, would that be flexual healing? I don't have a good one for that um people's joke 16 routes run on 23 dropbacks for baker mayfield this is the new number two receiver number one on the outside for cleveland he's going to be the one replacing odell beckham i'm not going to get excited over the play that he made for the big

touchdown it's nice that he's got that type of potential to do that. I'll be more excited in games where I think that Baker Mayfield will have to throw a bit more, and there's a chance for him to come up with maybe six or seven targets, four or five catches, be useful. I don't mind stashing him on the bench, but you're right, Adam. I do like Iyuk better. There is still the question about how good Iyuk will be when the 49ers inevitably

turn to trey lance and that question can also go toward debo samuel and george kittle we've we've really it really wasn't until this week where we were really like or at least i was i'll speak for myself where i was like all right debo is what he is and debo samuel if you've got him on your team you shouldn't try and get rid of him now he he's the most obvious sell-high receiver that's out there because eventually Lance will be the quarterback. We know that the passing game won't be as good, and there's more mouths to feed with Kittle healthy and with IU starting to step up.

Okay. Buy or sell, Baker Mayfield is about to become fantasy relevant now that Odell Beckham is off the team. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he became a streamable fantasy quarterback, but not somebody I'm comfortable starting ahead of Patrick Mahomes. Okay. All right.

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Ensure your next project is safe. Visit OntarioOneCall.ca. It's free. It's's easy it's the law data sourced from the orcga 2023 dirt report we're back with our big losers from week nine dj more for dave we already talked about him cadarious tony 72 percent rostered goodbye bye coming up and not much reason to keep him, I guess. We'll let Dave tell you that. And Marvin Jones, same situation.

Marvin Jones, at least, was wide open for a touchdown. Trevor Lawrence missed him. So, okay. We talked about DJ Moore. Do you think Tony and Marvin Jones are droppable? I think Jones will start getting dropped in more leagues as more and more people race to get Elijah Moore, Brandon Ayuk,

Donovan Peoples-Jones, Jordan Howard. He's going to be an expendable player. He's a good player, but he's on a Jacksonville offense that just isn't dynamic. Maybe toward the end of the year, we turn back to Marvin Jones, but for now, I don't think you have to roster him. And I think there's definitely the end of the honeymoon period for Kadarius Tony.

I want to see him make some big plays with Daniel Jones. We haven't been able to see much of that. I know he's an exciting player, but he's not getting the job done. And he is a rookie wide receiver that maybe we got a little too excited about. Not me. I don't understand and like it was just i mean it was kind of two games but really it was the one game that was like six players have ever done this before but it really you're talking about the cowboys game the 10 10-189? Yeah. I think that he was the sixth rookie wide receiver to ever

have at least 180 wide receiving yards in a game. But it really does seem like the Giants just view him as clearly behind Kenny Galladay, Darius Slate, and Sterling Shepard. He's their fourth best wide receiver at best.

None of those guys have ever had 10 for a 189 in a game much less the rookie season why don't you play this guy and throw it to him more it would make sense and maybe they come out of their bye week in week 10 putting him in that type of a role but especially now that he's going into his bye and then they're at tampa bay the week after that no one's going to be excited to hang on to cadarious tony no one will prioritize hanging on to cadarious tony so you should expect him to hit the waiver wire in a bunch of leagues and you know if you want the snap counts it's just really weird and you just you wonder if health is a factor

because all three of their top wide receivers slayton galladay and tony, had 31 to 32 snaps and ran 19 or 20 routes and had one or two targets. And what do you, what do you get? It was just Daniel Jones threw for 110 yards. He threw for 110 yards. He's turning back into a pumpkin. The offensive line is terrible too. Like it all really does lose to this team.

Their defense playing a little bit better. I keep that in mind. Do you know how dumb this season is? Yeah. Week 9 was dumb. This was the dumbest week of the season. Heath's losers are Boston Scott, who we already talked about. Let me see if I can think of some bonus losers. All the losers were hurt or didn't play.

I hate to always say someone's hurt is a loser. How about... What about the Cowboys wide receivers? We put them in the... And that's the thing that's different. When I say loser, I think someone whose future value took a negative hit today. Yes.

And I don't really feel like CeeDee Lamb and Amari Cooper's future value changed today. Oh, I got one. They play the Falcons next week. I got one. Mike Davis. Because Patterson. Yeah. I almost said him.

Is a true wide receiver. But he also was in goal-to-goal situations a lot. If not everyone, then almost everyone. The reason I was excited about Davis this week, or not excited, but willing to start him as a low-end number two in PPR, was because of his involvement in the passing game in the games that Calvin Ridley missed.

And the fact that he only had two targets in this game without Calvin Ridley, I'm not really that surprised. He and Patterson were both awful running the ball. We didn't expect them to be good running the ball. I'm not really that surprised. He and he and Patterson were both awful running the ball. We didn't expect them to be good running the ball. It's the Saints.

Yeah, the fact that they didn't throw it to him. I don't know if that's a product of the fact that they were just it was a different game script than I normally have and they were ahead for a large part of that game. So they just didn't throw quite as much. But I mean, you can't start Mike Davis

with any confidence in any format at this point but i feel like we've been there for a while we've seen his playing time decrease slowly since the bye week and today was the new low 54 of the snaps and he's just not getting he he never had a ceiling his ceiling was 12 pprero Patterson just continues to outperform him. You know what changed for me, though, Davis? I think it's now two weeks in a row where Patterson is the goal line or a goal-to-go guy, where he's just their preferred running back. And you would have thought that Mike Davis would at least have that role.

And last week, Davis had a pretty good fantasy day, right? Yeah, 9-12. That's what he gets every week. That's what he's had in all but two games. But if you can never get the touch, if you can rarely get the touchdown, then it's frustrating. All right, let's go to a few more news items.

Kyle Pitts didn't have a great game, but he could have. He had a bad drop on the first play of the game, would have been a big one, had an opportunity for a touchdown. So I don't think I'd be too discouraged. Pitts could have had a much better game statistically. Dave already talked about Carolina's offensive line where they just lost their center for the year

to a torn ACL. Two Broncos offensive linemen left with injuries. Graham Glasgow and Bobby Madison. They were without another one. What's that? And they were without their starting left tackle. Oh, right. Yeah. And they whooped.

So you knew they were going to have a terrible game running the Oh, right, yeah. And they whoopsie-cowdows. You knew they were going to have a terrible game running the ball, right? Yeah. Patrick Sertan left with a knee injury for Denver, too. DJ Moore left but returned. Devontae Booker left, but he says he's fine. But we're, you know, fingers crossed. Barkley's back after the bye.

Green Bay defensive tackle Kenny Clark left in the second quarter. That's a pretty big deal. And Darius Slay limped off late in the third quarter but almost positive he came back. The one saving grace for this weird week, the injuries really weren't that bad. Let's go to the

games. Jacksonville 9, Buffalo 6. Oh my goodness, what happened here? Heath, what do we got for Believe It or Not? Oh, good grief. I don't know if I had one for this game. Believe It or Not. Oh, good grief. I don't know if I had this one for this game. Believe It or Not, basically everyone on Jacksonville is droppable except for

James Robinson. Oh, no. No. I don't think that's necessarily true. Dan Arnold. Dan Arnold is for real. Hey, Arnold. 60 or more yards in three of his last four games. Yeah, I agree with you.

Good job. Lots of targets for him. Extreme level tight end for sure. All right. Would you rather have Conklin, who also is relevant, or Dan Arnold? Arnold. Arnold.

And what about Agnew? People's Jones or Agnew? Agnew dropped a touchdown. Like a 40-yard touchdown. Yes, he did. One of the best throws the Jacksonville quarterbacks made of the day. It was C.J. Beathard. It's true.

Was it Beathard or was it... I think it was Beathard. I think that was during the period of time when Lawrence was out. Beathard completed both of his I think it was Beathard. I think that was during the period of time when Lawrence was out. Beathard completed both of his throws. He only threw two passes? So Heath is lying to us. Wow.

Must have been a penalty on the play. I think if I had to move forward with one guy, I think I'd rather have Peoples Jones. Adam, you were right. Thank you, Heath. I appreciate that. I think there was a penalty on the play. All right.

There might have been. C.J. Beathard in two completions had more yards than Sam Darnold had in the first half. So, okay. For the Bills, believe it or not, oh, man. But believe it or not, you should not drop Cole Beasley. He only had 33 yards, but he had his fifth game of the year with seven or more catches, and he's 92% rostered. So believe it or not, you should hang on to Cole Beasley. If it's a non-PPR league, you can let go of Cole Beasley.

I've got about half a full PPR league. You can hang on to him. Believe it or not, if Zach Moss is out next week, you're starting Devin Singletary. That's not a better one. That is an easy one. Believe it, of course. You believe it? Okay. That's not a better one. That is an easy one. Believe it. Of course. You believe it? Okay.

I believe it. They play the Jets. They got like four carries today. They were in weird Josh Allen mode. Yeah. You start Singletary. He has a better game script than he had against Jacksonville. I was joking. Singletary's been pretty good without

Zach Moss over the last two years. Week one, he had 80 Jacksonville. I was joking. Singletary's been pretty good without Zach Moss over the last two years. Week one, he had 80 total yards, only 11 carries, but 72 yards on those three catches. All right. Let's go on to Denver-Dallas. Denver 30, Dallas 16. Broncos had the ball for 41

minutes and 12 seconds. Dallas barely had the ball in this game. What do we got, Heath? Believe it or not, the transition has happened. Javante Williams is better than Melvin Gordon rest of season. Whether I believe it or not, I don't think the Broncos believe it. The Broncos were

thrilled to have both of them play well. They basically split snaps. This was the closest they've been in three weeks in terms of... Javante started. He did. But Melvin Gordon still played a ton. I believe he played a little bit more than Javante.

They both had the same amount of snaps inside of 10 yards. And I'm almost positive Melvin Gordon played more in passing situations. I think the big problem for Javante, if I remember correctly, Melvin got a carry from the one, got stuffed, lost two yards, got back to the three, scored on the next play. Javante got a carry from the one, got stuffed. Got another one from the one, got stuffed.

I worry that the next carry from the one goes to Melvin Gordon. I think it probably does, but then the one after that might go to Javante. I don't know that they have much of a rhyme or reason because there was a stretch where Javante Williams had three or more catches in five straight games. That just ended with the last two games,

and now he's barely involved in the passing game. So it doesn't make any sense. And he's, look, you've got to be excited from a dynasty standpoint because he makes big plays every game, it seems. But I don't feel any more confident starting him this week than I did last week. Then I, you know, I don't, I'm sorry.

I don't feel any more confident starting him next week than I did this week. So they've got the Eagles. It's going to be interesting how that offensive line looks against Philadelphia. Then they've got to buy after that. I think these, they're both fine as number two fantasy running backs,

but no one's really jazzed to start either one unless you lose sight of them. Don't forget the fact that you might have lost Derrick Henry or another stud running back along the way, and these are the running backs you have left. You should be happy to have them at this point. And as far as the Cowboys go, we still feel pretty good about all their stud. I would expect bounce backs all around against Atlanta. All right.

Okay. Speaking of Atlanta, big win for them. 27, 25 over new Orleans. Great, great comeback win for them. And I was thinking is Cordero Patterson,

the best free agent signing by any team this past off season. I mean, he had such a huge catch on their game-winning drive. I've never seen a guy play two positions like this. It's amazing. But anyway, we don't have to talk about that now. What's our believe it or not

for Atlanta and New Orleans? Believe it or not, both Matt Ryan and Russell Gage are startable in Week 10. They are facing the Cowboys on the road. I think they, Gage, I'm going to have a hard time with. Ryan is a streamable quarterback. You're not going to put Diggs on Gage.

No. So I don't think he has to worry about that. He's got beat by Tim Patrick. Maybe they will put him on Gage. I don't know if has to worry about that. He's got beat by Tim Patrick. Maybe they will put him on game. I don't know if the aura of being a great corner is appropriate for Trevon Diggs anymore. I'm going to go back to what I said last week. I think he's Marcus Peters, who gets beat all the time,

but also gets eight to ten picks a year, it seems like. Right, so sometimes Pete Briscoe said it today while we were watching games. He's a gambler, so sometimes he's going to look like a stud corner and sometimes he's not. But I don't think quarterbacks are scared to go after him. Well, it doesn't matter. Gage is not going to get him. But I mean, I can't ignore how bad Gage was last week. He was dinged up last week, right? Didn't he get dinged up last week? I think so. Sure, why not?

I don't remember. There was no love for Olamide Zaccheaus? No. Okay. You want another one here? Another Believe It or Not? Sure. Okay, we'll go to the Saints.

Believe it or not, ingram is uh flexible i don't believe it i don't think he's gonna have five receptions on a regular basis he barely had five receptions in games when he forget that one i have a better one i have a better one believe it or not now tasem Hill is a good waiver wire pickup. He's not that. You shouldn't have to use a waiver wire pickup on a guy that's a backup quarterback and his coach isn't going to tell you

he's starting until Saturday night. But I don't think you should drop him. And I do think the Saints should start him. I don't know if Simeon did enough to lose the job. I didn't really watch it. He did enough in the first half. I thought they'd come out to Hill in the second half. But Simeon did enough to lose the job. I didn't really watch it. He did enough in the first half. I thought they'd come out to Hill in the second half, but Simeon was better in the second half.

All right, let's go on to Cleveland 41. Anyway, sorry, real quick. Adam Troutman getting seven targets. Does that move the needle for you at all? No, that just puts him in the range of Cole Komet. All right. Cleveland 41, Cincinnati 16. Believe it or not, Jarvis Landry is not actually

going to be good without Beckham. Don't believe it. I don't know. There's going to be better game scripts ahead for Cleveland. He was kind of mediocre at times last year. Right? He had at least 11 PPR points in eight of his last 11 games.

We were just jumping all over Mike Davis's case for scoring 11 to 12 PPR points every week. Right, but that's a number two running back that we're framing him as. Landry, I don't think we're going to say is a number two fantasy receiver. Okay. He's a flex in PPR. Not even half PPR. so i think you believe i think that means you believe it yeah well when you look at his his games last year his you know his 16 game pace based on those last five or six regular season games for Jarvis Landry. It's a pretty good 16-game pace.

It's like 100 catches. They haven't missed more than five or six games. Yeah, right. We're just randomly choosing his best five or six games. No, listen. Everybody says this. A lot of people don't. Remember they had that stretch of bad weather games.

So if you go after the bad weather games, you want to make the best case possible for Jarvis Landry. You get this great 16 game pace, but what you'd really get is one game where he had like 150 yards. I remember off the top of my head. And then most games he's 50 to 60 yards. What he did give you consistently was five catches a game. So he gave you this look PPR floor and occasional touchdown.

They also use them kind of creatively on this, in this game, they gave him a handoff and and then he ran the option, and he threw a terrible pitch that lost yards. Probably shouldn't do that again. Yeah, but I think, to me, he felt like a 5-for-60 kind of guy on most weeks, and you hope he scores.

It's an occasional big game, but that's that. Jarvis Landry or Hunter Renfro? Renfro, big time. Yeah, 100%. Okay, let's go. Let's see what we got here for this game. That's Jarvis Landry or Hunter Renfro. Renfro. Big time. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Okay. Let's go. Let's see what we got here for this game.

I mean, this game is pretty interesting. We should probably stay on it here. Nick Chubb is amazing. Burrow. Are we cool with just kind of shake it off? Bad game? Yes. Okay.

And Jamar Chase. We saw Higgins drop a big pass in the game. Chase dropped a big, deep throw in the game that might have gone for a touchdown. It was a tough throw for him to reel in, but he got a step on his man. Ball hit him in the hands. Probably should have caught it. Yeah, he had a rough game, but he had 13 targets.

That's nine or more targets in five of his last six games for jamar chase so i think that's pretty damn good what do we make of t higgins 78 yards six catches eight targets coming off a game with 97 yards on six targets um he scored in weeks one and two he has not scored since since then dave what do you make of T Higgins? I would put him in whatever category is a step up from Jarvis Landry. Exactly. His PPR floor seems to be closer to 13 than 11. And two of the last three games, at least eight targets. I think that Burrow does like throwing to him.

I think he realizes that defenses are trying to clamp down on chase and Higgins is his next best guy. And I'm sure they fancy him as what he is, that defenses are trying to clamp down on Chase, and Higgins is his next best guy. And I'm sure they fancy him as what he is, which is a physical outside type of receiver who's supposed to win contested catch balls, but he just doesn't win enough of them for as much work as he gets. But I don't think they're going to go away from him.

I think he's a pretty safe number three receiver who during the bye weeks you could use as a number two. Miami 17, Houston 9. You should bench all of your Dolphins on Thursday night against the Ravens. We're not expecting Tua to play? I think right now, I don't imagine we're going to rank him.

I don't think so either. That's not usually how our protocol works. I'm still interested in starting Gasicki and Waddle. Probably not Gaskin. Gaskin had 26 touches. 26 touches. And a season high in snap percentage. Played the most, got a ton of work, really

farted it away. I was really worried when he fumbled that they were just going to bench him again. I'm glad they didn't. Which tells you what you need to know about Savan Ahmed as a possible stash guy. Gaskin has an incredibly valuable role right now.

It was amazing that he, against a team that I believe was allowing the most yards per carry to running backs, rushed 20 times for 34 yards. That's alarming. You hope that maybe Tua could help him with that. He was having a fairly efficient year, but this was bad.

This was a terrible game to watch. It was almost as bad as the Chiefs and Packers. You'd rather watch Chiefs and Packers. No, no, no. You'd rather watch Chiefs and Packers than this pop show. No, because with the Dolphins and the Texans, you can kind of embrace the suck. You know that these guys are not very good

and that they're going to do silly things and you just kind of giggle about it. With the Chiefs and the Packers, it's like you got Aaron Jones and Devontae Adams and Tyree Kill and Travis Kelsey, and remember what those guys used to be like? Do you want a Texans running back? No.

No. They're on a bye this week, right? Yes. Believe it or not, Brandon Cook is the only Texan to be held over the bye. Yeah, I believe it. But how do you feel about Brandon Cook? Six catches, 56 yards on 13 targets.

He's in the T. Higgins group ahead of the Jarvis Landry group. Giants 23, Raiders 16. I just talked about Hunter Renfro, but I want to do it again. Believe it or not, Hunter Renfro is a top 24 wide receiver in PPR rest of season.

I don't believe it. I think he's right in the T. Higgins range, that 13 PPR point range. Yeah, but I didn't protest when you said this, but I don't think the T. Higgins floor, if you had said Hunter Renfro's floor seems to be around 12 or 13 PPR points, I would have believed that

because he does that almost every week. B. Higgins has shown us quite a bit lower floor more often than Renfro has. Sure, but not lately. Lately, he's been getting either really, really impressive target volume or doing good on limited target volume. That's what happened two games ago for Higgins. Yeah, I think he's going to be top 30. I think Renfro has more touchdowns this year than Higgins.

Yeah, I think it's 3-2 now. I think he's going to be top 30, close to top 24. I will name 29 wide receivers that I like better than Hunter Renfro right now. Ready? Renfro or Waddle? Waddle? What's the difference? What's the difference?

Ben, do you have your microphone? Or no? I have my laptop. Okay, okay. That's fine. What's the difference between Waddle and Renfro? Good question. You guys answer um i think renfro is a little bit

more consistent waddle has a little more upside um right now renfro's quarterback situation is a lot better sure but once tua comes back then I think we can say that they're closer. But we don't have a great deal. I don't have a great deal of confidence that once Tua comes back, he will just start the rest of the Dolphins games the rest of the year. You don't? Why? If he doesn't, then his career is in big trouble. This is nothing. Maybe it's all dumb luck, but the guy has gotten hurt and hurt and hurt.

You're not saying they're going to bench him. No, I do not think they will bench him. Hey, but listen, Will Fuller and Devante Parker are going to be back any minute, right? I don't know about any minute. They'll be back. Well, Parker won't be back for two more games for him. Fuller, who the hell knows when he's going to come back. Waddle still is just stuck in the same

role that Renfro's been in, but at least Renfro should give you a little more consistency. There will be more 20-point PPR weeks for Waddle than there will be for Renfro, but I think I'll take Renfro anyway. All right, guys. Last one.

Last one here. Believe it or not, Saquon Barkley is the only giant you need to hang on to during their bye. Need to, yes. I believe that. I'd like to hold on to a couple of wide receivers, but I don't need to. Would you hold on to a couple of wide receivers but i don't need to would you hold on to graham ganoe no no doubt about it all right baltimore 34 minnesota 31

would you oh yeah i guess it'd probably probably be kind of silly to drop davante booker he'll be healthy when he comes back. He's not going to have any more injuries. All right, Baltimore 34, Minnesota 31. The Ravens had the ball for 46 minutes and 4 seconds. Remember, this game went to overtime, almost a full overtime. But Minnesota had the ball for just 23-40. All right, what do we got for this game, Baltimore-Minnesota? Believe it or not, well, I was going to just want to say Freeman,

but we already did that. Believe it or not, Rashad Bateman is going to be a thing rest of season. I think he'll be a thing. I don't think he'll be in the T. Higgins range of things. Eventually, Sammy Watkins will come back

and that could put a little bit of a cap on Bateman, but he's still making some nice plays. Would you rather have a Rashad Bateman or Brandon Ayuk? Ayuk. Rashad Bateman or Peoples Jones? Bateman. Oh, if I could get an Adrian Peterson touchdown right now, what I would do for an peterson touchdown right now what i would do

for an adrian peterson touch what would you do what would you do lots of things name one will you do the macarena i don't think i know the macarena very difficult dance i'll teach it to you someday i i have no doubt that you know the Macarena. I believe, it's not even hard for me to envision you doing the Macarena. I would do it this morning. You are the best Macarena dancer at CBS Sports. We could send you a video on how to do the Macarena, and you could watch it for about 30 seconds and know how to do the Macarena. I need you to commit to doing the Macarena.

Oh, never mind. Dang it. Oh, that was crushing. That was crushing. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So back to the business.

I'm facing Ryan Tannehill in the league where I needed the touchdown. Back to business here. Justin Jefferson is interesting. He caught a 50-yard touchdown, but he only had 69 yards on five targets. So that's after a 21-yard gain. A game, sorry, against the Cowboys. So for Jefferson, obviously no one's going to sit him really, but do you still view him as a stud wide receiver?

Yeah, I still view him as a top 12 type of fantasy wide out. I still view him that way. I'm not sure that he actually deserves that based on this year but he's young and he was so awesome last year that i think we should give him a little slack yeah you know the big plays have really been way down this year but he got one today that's all he had in this game basically yeah and cousins only And Cousins only threw 28 passes. And Cousins, he scored 25 fantasy points, but didn't exactly light it up. On the other end, Lamar Jackson with his third game of the year

with multiple touchdowns, 36 points. This is kind of what we were talking about, where things have just been going so, with such bad luck for Lamar Jackson, it just felt like he has these big blow-up games in his future, and he gave you one today. Here's the interesting thing on Marquise Brown. Tell me if this matters to you.

Huge game, nine catches, 116 yards, 12 targets, 60 yards in overtime. So if this game had ended in regulation, you would have been talking five catches for 56 yards. Does that matter? I like the fact that when it really mattered, that's where Lamar went. Ooh, Henderson left with an ankle injury.

All right, well, Sonny Michel. Hope you didn't drop Sonny Michel. Does that matter to you, though, at all? Is that a bad thing or just fine? No prob, Bob. I'm fine. If Debo Samuel is the number one sell-high wide receiver, Brown might be number two.

Oh, interesting. Might be. Why? Because this is still a quarterback in Lamar. Listen, Lamar did not start off this game well, if you ask me. He threw the one touchdown to Bonta Freeman. Yeah, I know. He's

getting upset. He's got 386 total yards and three touchdowns. We're going to critique his performance. No, you're right. I mean, it was a slow start, but... It was the first part of the game. I was nervous about him. But that's okay. Look what he did in the last part, you know? I mean... If I could finish my thought, I would have said, listen, he came through at the end, and he came through in overtime,

and I think it's safe to call him, yes, a top-five fantasy quarterback for the rest of the season, but I am a little concerned about what's going to happen to Marquise Brown when all the receivers are healthy and when they do eventually get what they want, whatever they can squeeze out of their run game.

I think they did that today. Yeah. And then it took overtime for Hollywood Brown to have over a hundred yards to have over 60 yards. Well, okay. That's an interesting take interesting take we maybe we can explore that on wednesday's show let's go to new england 24 give him away it's the same thing that i'll say about any player who's been good yeah but there's definitely if there's an opportunity

to turn him into off the top of my head justin je. I think that exists. That opportunity probably exists. I think Diggs is the one that probably that opportunity exists. I would love to do that too. All right. New England 24, Carolina 6. Stephon Gilmore, revenge game. And he got an interception. All right. What do we got here? Believe it or not, Damian Harris has

a Ramondre Stevenson problem. Believe it. I was assuming that Stevenson's healthy. I know that Stevenson problem. Believe it. I was assuming that Stevenson's healthy. I know that Stevenson left. I was assuming that Harris is healthy. It's true. So they both have problems beyond each other. I'd like to know this. I don't know the breakdown. Do you?

How many carries did they each have when Stevenson got hurt? I've got playing time. Give me one second. No, no. When Harris got hurt. I'm sorry. When Harris got hurt. I've got playing time. Give me one second. No, no, when Harris got hurt. I'm sorry, when Harris got hurt. Because it seemed like he was dominating. Playing time before Stevenson got hurt in the fourth quarter.

No, but I need before Harris got hurt. Because Harris got hurt first. I'm pretty sure. I could try and figure it out, but it'll take me a little while. All right, well, I think it's interesting. I think Brandon Bolin has a Ramondre Stevenson problem because when Stevenson plays, Bolden has basically no catches when he doesn't play. Oh, Ben Schrager's telling me that Harris got hurt after Stevenson.

So Dave. Yeah. And Bolden had the same number of catches as Stevenson in this game. Yeah, but they both had two. But when Stevenson doesn't play, you get like six catches out of Bolden. Dave, so give me your numbers here because Schrager said Harris got hurt after Stevenson. So what was the snaps? I wasn't 100% with what you were saying. So before Stevenson got hurt in the fourth quarter, and Harris also got hurt in the fourth quarter, Bolden had 40%

of the snaps. Harris had 40% of the snaps. Stevenson had 36% of the snaps. Harris had 40% of the snaps. Stevenson had 36% of the snaps. Remember that Bolden can sometimes line up in addition to one of the other running backs. Two of the three snaps that the Patriots had from 10 yards or closer to the goal line went to Damian Harris. Yeah. All right. Well,

Stevenson is interesting. I think he's in it. He's, you know, regardless of the health of Harris, he's 26% rostered, probably someone to look at again. He'll be inactive next week, I'm sure. Let's go to the Panthers.

Buy or sell? Believe it or not, Christian McCaffrey is going to be a superstar for fantasy going forward. Yes, I believe it. He will be fine. Wait, let me do a different one. Hold on. Christian McCaffrey is the number one running back rest of season. No.

No, I do not believe that. He will not be that fine. Who is? Derrick Henry? No, stupid. Who is? Zeke? I would say it's Taylor. Jonathan Taylor would be up there I think Jonathan Taylor would probably be the one um Najee will probably be up there Zeke won't be up there I mean

you know who the number I believe the number three fantasy running back in fantasy for the season is Joe Mixon wow he could be close to it but he won't be the one okay either or Daryl Patterson, despite how good you got to tell me you. So you're taking Taylor one over McCaffrey. I think if we're doing a rest of season draft, he would be the one. Yeah.

Okay. But I'm not sure he would be the one in 2022. I don't know if he's the one-on-one chargers, 27 Eagles, 24. Believe it or not, Jalen Hurts is not a starting fantasy quarterback. He's in the

he's a starting quarterback unless you can find an option that you're willing to take a chance with off the waiver wire. So not a must-start fantasy quarterback. I do not believe he is a must-start fantasy quarterback. I'll have to he is a must start fantasy quarterback. I'll have to decide between him and Derek Carr going forward. And I think that, I think that the,

so the last two weeks have been a little unlucky for him because they just keep handing off near the goal line and it's starting to really piss me off. But also 31 pass attempts in his last two games. So the fact that he gave you 18 points today, cause he rushes so much, all you need is a respectable passing performance. in his last two games. So the fact that he gave you 18 points today because he rushes so much, all you need is a respectable passing performance. I'm probably going to stick with him over Carr.

But that'll get you 20. It's not going to get you to the 25 to 30 range. It might. I mean, look, so Carr is actually an interesting comparison because Carr gets off to this great start to the season. Looks like a true breakout. Then weeks, what did we just have? Week nine?

I want to say weeks six and seven. He was really bad. Well, they had a bye. Five and six, he was bad. Week eight, he comes back.

He has a huge game. And then week nine, he struggles after the rugs situation. So, I don't know. I try not to live and die by each week. So, I don't know.

I just feel like if you can get a decent amount of pass volume plus the rush volume, you'll probably get a start-worthy game from Jalen Hurts. I will not believe it. All right, good. It took me 30 minutes to get to that point. Okay, let's go to the Chargers. Believe it or not,

Mike Williams is a sit. Ooh. Yeah. This was actually one from the article. Believe it or not, Mike Williams is a boomer bus flex like he always was. I'm ready to believe it. Yeah. Target

volume hasn't been there. Does he really have a knee issue? I know Charles Davis said it on the broadcast. Would he lie? Would he lie? No. No, he would not lie. He's a CBS guy.

You would. I would never. All right. Arizona 31, San Francisco 17. Technically, every Acer stat is a lie. I bet a lot of money on this. I bet $2,000 on Arizona. I lie. That's a lie. I bet a lot of money on this. I bet $2,000 on Arizona. I lie.

That's a lie. I'm just lying. I don't bet. Believe it or not, James Conner is a top 12 running back for as long as Chase Edmonds is out. Hell yeah. Yeah, I believe that. Oh, yeah. Just so everybody knows, I was lying about the betting.

I just was trying to think of a lie, and that was the only thing I could think of. So let's just say, I want to do this then, because that seemed to be the response on Twitter as well. I want to say, hypothetically, Chase Edmonds is out for the year. James Conner is RB what? 10 to 12? Yeah, yeah, 10 to 12. Yeah. Yeah.

10 to 12. That's not really the same thing. We don't get challenged on. No, I mean, I'm not going to put them ahead of Joe Mixon. Aaron Jones. That's like Zeke.

And no, I think I'd rather have Jones. Of course. I think I'm, I think he's going to be pretty close to there. I've got the list of, of running backs here. Okay,

let's go. Jonathan Taylor, Austin Eckler, Mixon, Aaron Jones, Kamara, Daryl Henderson. We'll put an asterisk on because he just left with an injury. Zeke, Najee Harris, DeAndre Swift,

Damian Harris, Leonard Fournette, James Robinson. Wait, there are others. Hold on, hold on. Nick Chubb is still here. Dalvin Cook is still there. But that's it. You're probably going to take him ahead of Saquon Barkley and McCaffrey.

He's out of top 12 running back. I don't think we named 12. I don't think we named 12. Henderson's back in for the Rams. Very close. Very close to naming 12. But I think he'd be... Would you take...

Daryl Henderson is a good one. Daryl Henderson or Connor. For as long as Edmonds out. Henderson. Henderson. All right, Fournette. Connor. I think I'd go Connor as well.

Okay. Man, I got so much Edmonds because I was like, Connor's going to get hurt. Edmonds is going to be great when Connor gets hurt. And that is something that is definitely possible if James Connor is going to continue to get this much work. That's what happened in Pittsburgh. It was that he wore down pretty quickly.

And in Arizona, he wasn't getting that type of work from game to game. And they actually kind of salted the game away with a different running back. You know Benjamin. You know Benjamin, yeah. Sorry. But he had nine carries for 39 yards and a touchdown and was used late. Okay, anyway. Let's just say Chase Emmons is out for the year.

I think James Conner would clearly be the lead back and see a good majority. Would he get to 70% of the snaps week in and week out? I'm not sure. He might be living in that 60 to 65% range, which is still really good. And he's still be there. Edmonds is back. We want Edmonds back now on the other side of the ball.

Eli Mitchell started in only 62% of leagues. You can understand the hesitation. Do you think that Eli Mitchell is a must-start running back going forward, or will be rest of season at least? Yes. Said it all week. He's their guy in San Francisco. All right. I don't think he's

a must-start running back. I'm not sure I'm going to want to start him next week against the Rams. Okay, well, we'll see how Adrian Peterson does. Kansas City 13, Green Bay 7 7 our last game yeah my believe it or not for this one was that Patrick Mahomes is the top 12 quarterback it's hard to take anything or a must start quarterback it's hard to take anything from the Packers but I got this one from a couple

people on Twitter so I'm going to say it this is not me saying wait I know what it's going to be can I guess you know what it is go ahead AJ Dillon is better than Aaron Jones AJ Dillon is better than Aaron Jones. AJ Dillon is better than Aaron Jones. Nope. Don't believe it. Dillon's fun though. I mean,

this is, this is part of what he gives the Packers offense is that tough physical presence. He's underrated as a pass catcher. And he, he would also turn into a running back. That would be not a top 12 running back rest of season, but maybe top 15, top 18 if Aaron Jones were in this season.

Oh, excuse me. Are you kidding me? He could be top five if Aaron Jones were out. He would be, I swear he's top five. I would call him top five if Aaron Jones were out and I hope I never have to. If you really feel about him, then you should try and trade for him every league.

Why? Bonus, believe it or not, the Titans are actually the best team in the NFL. They are kicking the crap out of 14-3 right now. Really, you don't think, so you're willing to say James Conner would be better without Edmonds than Dylan would be without? Maybe not. Maybe not. But he'd be, he would be close to where weonds than Dylan would be without. Maybe not. Maybe not. But he'd be,

he would be close to where we were going to place Connor. He'd probably be a little bit ahead of the thing for me to see it. Cinch is it, is that I believe Kylan Hills and I are right. Yeah. I don't know if that means that he can't come back. No, but if we're at three games of AJ Dylan with no AJ Dylan with no Aaron

Jones is better than Aaron Jones with A.J. Dillon. Fine. But there's also not going to be this scenario isn't real right now because Aaron Jones is healthy. This week has sucked so bad. We're talking about it with Connor because Edmonds is hurt. I would rather talk about things that are not real. This week has sucked so bad that we are just playing fantasy football every day for an hour. This is real fantasy football.

Like this is actual fantas football. This is actual fantasies. That's all I got. It's a fantasy. It's not real. We don't know Chase Edmonds out for the year. Aaron Jones isn't even injured. That's all we're talking about. We talked enough about the Chiefs, I'd say.

I thought it was interesting that Darrell Williams absolutely dominated touches. Derek Gore had three carries and Williams had 19 of them. My 12 year old was so mad because he thought Derek Gore was going to a big game and he kept yelling at the chiefs to give Derek Gore the ball. All right, everybody. Thanks. It's been a fun show. We've got a Monday episode for you to recap Sunday night Football and some some advanced stats and things like that

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