Fantasy Football Today - What Happened?! Worst 2nd Half Fantasy Performers of 2025

Episode Date: February 23, 2026

The FFT Crew breaks down the worst 2nd half fantasy football performers of 2025, diving into the biggest drop-offs, late-season letdowns, and players who crushed playoff hopes. Were the struggles caus...ed by injuries, changing roles, tough schedules, quarterback play — or something more concerning heading into 2026? To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:03 What a play! It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races, and he stays at his feet. It's just going to go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. The worst second half performances of the 2025 season, that's our topic for today on fantasy football today. I'm Jamie Eisenberg.
Starting point is 00:01:29 That's Dave Richards. That's Steve Cummings. As you can see, no Adam Azer or here, no Adam Azer as a show will, get going. He is taking the day off to hopefully get himself healthy, not feeling very well. So I'm expecting him back on Wednesday. Hopefully be back on Wednesday. We hope that Adam's feeling better. My guess is he's just out playing in the snow with the big storm that's hitting the Northeast. But we know how Adam is. He's afraid to leave his house. So you never know if he's going to be
Starting point is 00:01:53 outside playing in the snow or not. But he'll be back on Wednesday. Anyway, guys, before we get to the negative and all the poor performances of the second half of 2025, how was your weekend? And did you happen to catch the gold medal winning game for the United States in men's hockey. Saw the end of the game. I thought it was awesome. I did not know that overtime hockey in the Olympics was three on three. And that made it really, really fun.
Starting point is 00:02:21 And I wonder, is that that way in the NHL, too, if somebody could let me know? Sorry to be ignorant to it. I don't think it is. But three on three hockey looks like a really good time. and a hell of a game by the Canadians, hell of a game by the Americans. It was very exciting. Otherwise, it was a really boring weekend.
Starting point is 00:02:40 I miss football guys. I know that the season just ended, and it's a grind every single year for us, but I miss it. I miss the games. I miss the action. Zero percent of the hockey game. I was coaching basketball,
Starting point is 00:02:57 winning a gold medal of our own. I had played some kids. good team basketball yesterday and some bad team basketball on Saturday. So it was all basketball for me, as usual. All right. But you got some gold medals, huh? That sounds good. And I got to watch the Celtics beat the Lakers last night, so that was great.
Starting point is 00:03:15 That is funny. Claire is letting us know in our chat that the regular season, three on three for five minutes, playoffs is five on five for 20 minutes. I guess that's how hockey goes. I can't believe we're taught. This is how you know, Jamie, that it's the off season because we've talked more hockey to start the show than at any point in our lives on this show. I've seen a lot of people like Dave refer to it as three on three,
Starting point is 00:03:38 but it's four on four, right? Right. It doesn't include the goalies, right? The goleys don't, like the most important player doesn't count. I think they refer to it as three on three. Yeah, you know, I think they do. But it's actually four on four. Right. You've got three dudes plus a goalie, and that's four people.
Starting point is 00:03:57 Heath is basically saying that the hockey community is bad at counting. Or that goalies are being disrespected. Sure. First off, congratulations again to the U.S. men's hockey team, and congratulations to the Heath eighth grade breakers team. So, Heath, give us your 30-second breakdown of how the team performed. You know, it's the funniest thing.
Starting point is 00:04:19 If you just share the basketball and pass more than you dribble, you win games. That's, I mean, listen. You don't need any more than that. You coach the Chicago Bulls, Heath, please. Yeah. They need you. I've learned that kids and people generally stop listening to me around the age of 13. So that's why I've limited my basketball coaching to that age and below.
Starting point is 00:04:45 So I lost a 8 and under soccer championship on Saturday. We were undefeated when everybody was like our whole team was there. We had one game where we missed a bunch of kids we lost. So the first time that we actually lost, which was, you know, frustrating to go that far. It felt like the 2007 Patriots. And then two and two and four baseball games on Sunday. So it was a long, long sports weekend. But good to hear that Heath allowed my son to win a championship. So I appreciate it. All right, let's get to the football. So we'll start with some news and notes. One of the guys that we're going to talk about from a news perspective is one
Starting point is 00:05:20 of the topics of today's conversation, which is worth second half performance. Last week, we talked about the best second half performers of 2025. That's weeks 10 through 18. And I'm working off the list from Adam. He was expected to be on the show. Again, he's not feeling well. So he gave me the list of players. Guys we're going to talk about quarterbacks for Jalen Hertz, Bo Nicks, Baker Mayfield, running backs are Sequin Barkley, Javante Williams, and Brees Hall. We'll talk about Javent in a second with his new contract. Wide receivers are C.D. Lamb, Cortland Sutton, and Ladd-McConkie. And the three tight ends that he gave were Brock Bowers, Tyler Warren, and Orande Gadsden the second. But let's start with the news and notes. And we'll start with Javante. So we can sort of wrap in the topic and today's conversation and what happened.
Starting point is 00:05:59 to him over the weekend, which is that he signed a three-year contract extension with the Cowboys for $24 million, which includes $16 million guaranteed. So, Heath, I know you were, I think, excited about Giovante last year, if I'm not mistaken, going to the Cowboys and had a very solid season overall. Again, did not finish the season strong. What are your thoughts on him now staying with the Cowboys? And this might be the first of, you know, several dominoes to fall in terms of where these guys are going to end up or maybe not go anywhere at all that Javante now stays with the cat.
Starting point is 00:06:33 So I think this was, this is the opposite of the breeze hall situation. We've all been sitting around lighting candles, hoping the Jets decide not to put a tag on Breeshole so he can go play football somewhere else. I'm very excited for Javante Williams that he gets to stay in Dallas and what should be, if not a complete workhorse role, definitely a feature role on a good offense. I think you can view him as an RB2 for next year. can have plenty of arguments about whether he's a high-end RV2 or a mid-range RB2 or a low-end RB2.
Starting point is 00:07:03 I'm probably somewhere in the middle on that. Probably the biggest thing, and I tweeted this over the weekend, is like, this is fantastic news for dynasty managers who have Giovante Williams, because if you are a contender, it gives you an RB2 for next year and quite possibly for the next two years. And if you're ready to head into a rebuild, this is a great time to sell Javante Williams on the seeming certainty that he's going to have a starting role. Dave, Devante went in round five of our most recent mock draft, which is the one we did post Super Bowl. He went after other running backs that were Trevion Henderson in round four.
Starting point is 00:07:39 He was the first running back taken in round five, second pick around five. Yeah, he went ahead of Swift. He went ahead of Ramandre. Well, here's the running backs that were taken just before him. Trevian Henderson, end of round four, Travis Eton, middle of round four, Breece Hall, Quintan Judkins, I think this is probably where he starts to come into play. And then the guys that went after him were D'Andre Swift, Ramandre Stevenson, scrolled out a little bit to round six.
Starting point is 00:08:06 Yeah, Bachel Tootin is who I took in round six. I think he was a pretty big gap from where Javante went. Then Jalen Warren in round seven, Kyle Monongai. So he sort of was like the almost like the end of a tier. Is round five the right spot for him? It might end up being just where he goes. and we'll probably, I won't say we, I'll probably end up calling him the last best RB2. And this is probably going to be that range because what running back in the draft are we going
Starting point is 00:08:33 to love more than him? It's going to be Jeremiah Love. I don't know if there's going to be another one that lands in a great spot where we're going to be inclined to take him. And while I don't think this signing precludes the Cowboys from taking another running back at some point in the draft, I do think it means that Giovante will be the lead back to start the year. And he can easily hand the same roles that we thought he would handle this year. And he did handle this year. Shore yardage goal line, passing downs. So it's a valuable role in a really good offense with a lot of continuity.
Starting point is 00:09:04 I don't think there's any question that he's a top 60 pick and he might end up being a top 50 pick if things break right for him slash break wrong for other running backs in the league. So currently 25 years old in 2025. He had 252 carries, 1,101 yards, 11 touchdowns, 35 catches on 501. 31 targets, 137 yards and two touchdowns over 16 games. He got off to a great start, as we know. First game was touchdown dependent, had two touchdowns against the Eagles, 24 fantasy points against the Giants in week two. He was basically over 18 ppr points in one, two, three, four, five of his first nine games.
Starting point is 00:09:43 Then we get to week 10 and he starts to struggle a little bit. He finished the season, averaging 12.2 ppr points per game, to me 12.4 PPR points per game, RB 22. So Dave, what went wrong for him in the second half? He stopped scoring touchdowns. And that's really all I can see. I mean, the Cowboys offense obviously changed a little bit in the second half of the year, too. But in the first half of the year, first eight games for Javonte Williams,
Starting point is 00:10:08 he had nine total touchdowns. He had four in the back half. His touches didn't really go down. His yards per game went down a little bit too. He went from 91 total yards per game in his first eight to 76.5. so obviously that type of a drop off stinks, but it's the touchdowns. And the fact that he's still going to be in Dallas, still, I just said all this, high powered offense, all that fun stuff, it's going to open the door for him to having
Starting point is 00:10:31 double-digit touchdowns again. That's why we're drafting them. Should be the lead back. Hopefully he gets north of 15 touches per game like he did last year. Other news and notes that we're looking at from the weekend, and I'm sure we're going to get a lot this week. So as the week goes on, it's the start of the NFL Combine. So as teams are meeting with the media, and we're finding out a little bit more about
Starting point is 00:10:49 the prospects. We'll get into that as we go. We know Fernando Mendoza, for example, is not going to throw, so we'll find out a little bit more about the rookies, whatever workouts they're able to do. But a lot of news and notes coming this week. But Zach Charbonnet reportedly had his ACL surgery on Friday. Timeline right now is undetermined.
Starting point is 00:11:06 He posted this on social media, so this is not coming from any of the NFL insiders. Again, I'm sure when Seattle's front office and coaching staff meets with the media, we'll find out a little bit more about Charbonnet's timeline. But we've said this a lot about if, Ken Walker returns to Seattle if he doesn't. What if Charbonnet is ready to go and Walker's gone? So let's say it's a day two, day three rookie,
Starting point is 00:11:27 and we know this class isn't that impressive, at least right now coming into the draft process. How much will you like Zach Charbonnet on drafting? It's kind of hard for me to like buy into the premise that he's going to be a full go by week one. But if we get to that point, then I think he's right there in the Giovante Williams conversation, depending on who else they've added.
Starting point is 00:11:48 I was just while you guys were talking, trying to update my Javante Williams projection now that he's back with Dallas. And I've got them, it looks like right around RB20. I think a low-end RB2 with low-end RB1 upside for Zach Sharper-day. It'll be interesting to see, you know, clearly he finished the season pre-injury on a nice run. And who knows what his playoffs would have looked like for him if he did not get hurt in that game against San Francisco. Without him, Ken Walker was an absolute beast in four games last year, 18 PPR points, more in all four averaged over 23 ppr points per game and was uh would have been in just those four games alone would have been the number three overall player so we'll see what happens with ken walker
Starting point is 00:12:27 but again this givante williams news may lead to a good contract for walker staying with the seahawks dave sounds like you want to jump in on there yeah can you name another running back besides adrian peterson that had a late season ACL and came back strong came back strong yeah and it's got to be late season right well i if i remember correctly i think it was new year year's Eve. It was either Christmas Eve or New Year's Eve when Adrian Peterson tore his. And he made it back before the nine-month timeline that we always lay out for ACL injuries. Zach Sharbonnet suffered his in mid-January. So for him to come back in eight months would be that he'd be able to participate in some. I guess let me let me rephrase the
Starting point is 00:13:08 question and we don't need a different answer. But I guess the way to look at it would be as if he's back early in the season and there is no addition of significance. You know, so we're talking about him expected to be the lead guy by, let's say, late September, early October with a committee prior to that. I think that would make us moderately excited, and I think the range that Heath laid out is probably where we would be working at Zach Sharper. Cam Ward, we know got hurt in week 17 for the Titans injured his shoulder, reportedly an AC joint sprain on a touchdown run against the Jaguars. The NFL network is reporting that Ward, who hasn't thrown yet, is on track to resume throwing in March. So a quarterback, I think, we'll be keeping an eye on there.
Starting point is 00:13:49 And then just the sad news over the weekend, we found out that Rondell Moore, former Vikings, or Vikings wide receiver, spent time with the Cardinals and the Falcons as well, unfortunately passed away on Saturday. So our thoughts and prayers with his family. And see if we'll find out any more information about that. But sad news that a 25-year-old person in Rondell Moore, you know, no longer with us and a former NFL player as well. All right. So let's see if we'll find out of him. Let's take a quick break right now. When we get back, we'll get into the second half performers, worst performers.
Starting point is 00:14:20 Again, we'll talk about some of the quarterbacks like Bo Nix, Jalen Hertz, Baker Mayfield, Seqwan Barclay, Javon, Williams, or Seqqley, Bricle, and Brise-Hall and a few wide receivers and tight-ins. Come back after break. All right, so let's get into the worst second-half performers here. Again, our topic for the show provided by Adam Azer. So we'll start with the quarterbacks. And Heath, you took Jalen Hertz in our last mock draft in round nine. He finished the second half. And again, this is defined from weeks 10 through 18.
Starting point is 00:14:45 as quarterback 15 at 18.2 fantasy points per game. How do we feel about Jalen Hertz? Looking at that spectrum of time, that period of time, is he going to return to the guy that we know that he's capable of being as the top five caliber fantasy quarterback? And I know there's still moving parts. Is A.J. Brown going to still be there in Philadelphia. Is it going to be with Dallas Goddard on the roster?
Starting point is 00:15:10 Offensive lines seems like it's going to be relatively intact. Lane Johnson says he's going to return, which is great. 35-year-old right tackle saying he's going to play in 2026. So what do we think about Jalen Hertz and what do we think about why he struggled in the end of the 2025 season? Yeah, I think those are two different questions because for me, at least, these second-hast performances and how much we care about them is really determined by how long is the track record for what the guy is. So if it's a first-year player or a second-year player, I might be a little bit more concerned with Jalen Hertz. We've got basically five years of him.
Starting point is 00:15:45 being a borderline elite fantasy quarterback. And we all know the offensive system in Philadelphia was, at best, controversial. A lot of hitch routes, a lot of A.J. Brown being mad. They really struggled to run the ball as efficiently, and maybe that's why they didn't do as much play action passing, but we didn't see much of that either. And so I think with a new offensive coordinator, you should be optimistic with Jalen Hertz track record. You should be optimistic. And some of it was just the fact that he didn't score as many touchdowns, both rushing or passing as he did in the first half. And that's probably a little bit of randomness.
Starting point is 00:16:25 I still view Jalen Hertz as one of those tier two quarterbacks who really, once Josh Allen and probably Lamar Jackson are gone, you can consider just about any of them. but he's right in the same tier for me with Drake May, Jaden Daniels, Joe Burrow, and maybe even Dak Prescott. Dave. I like where your head's at with it, Ethan. And I'm kind of excited about Sean Mannion as the new play caller there. I'd probably be more excited about like a raw steak being the offensive coordinator in Philadelphia. After what we saw with Kevin Petulow, a controversial at best offense,
Starting point is 00:17:02 I think Heath is actually like being kind by saying that there is something. I do want to point out, though, about Jalen Hurts. So we're talking about the second half of the season. In his first eight games last year, 25.5, no one's going to scoff at that. That's awesome for fantasy. 18.2 in the eight games following, his numbers weren't necessarily great with Lane Johnson either when he was out. That offensive line has to come back and has to stay healthy itself.
Starting point is 00:17:27 But Hertz last year, great start, terrible finish. 2024, 25.6 fantasy points per game in his first nine. and then 23.1 in his last five, and that doesn't include a game where he got concussed and left early. So a drop off two years in a row, make it three years in a row, 2023, 26.7 in his first 12, and then 16.4 in his final five. We have not seen Jalen Hertz finish strong in a long time. And that might be something that rattles around in the back of your head
Starting point is 00:17:58 when you go to draft him. It's going to be great. If he follows his track record, you know your team's going to be good with him for the first half of the year. What about the second half? Does he wear down? Is it other elements of the offense? Is it an older offensive line wearing down? And that's why his numbers back off.
Starting point is 00:18:15 Is it because of the run game taking a step up in the second half of the year? All these things matter. And it makes me wonder if I draft Jalen Hertz, do I want to get a quarterback at some point during the year to have on my bench in case we get a December swoon from him and the rest of the, the Eagles. Does this change dramatically, slightly, not at all, with or without A.J. Brown. Yeah, I'm assuming A.J. Brown will be there and it would be a drastic change. Agreed. If he's not. I agree. I just wonder, and I'm totally with you, but I just wonder, like, A, what the replacement is. You know, clearly that matters. You know, is it a rookie? Is it a retread wide receiver? You know, is it somebody like maybe on the high end in terms of the
Starting point is 00:18:59 free agents of a Mike Evans, George Pickens, one of those guys, and we probably don't feel any different. Is it a mid-tier guy? Let's say like an Alex Pierce. Is it a lower-tier guy? And I'm not trying to be disrespectful anybody, but like a Wondell Robinson, you know, somebody who's, you know, out there that's, you know, just going to fill a role or, you know, kind of be a replacement option type player. And we see maybe Jalen Hurts run a little bit more or have to carry the offense a little bit more in that regard. And that change is just the way we view him as a fantasy quarterback. So clearly there's still a lot to be determined here with what happens to Jalen Hertz. But a lot of high-end bounceback potential, especially if the wide receiver one is still on
Starting point is 00:19:36 AJ Brown's level. For sure. And he went in round eight in our most recent mock. And I think he went later than that in the mock before that. So if we're drafting a guy like this, you know, pick 90. That's awesome. Absolutely fantastic. And again, our drafts are hard to necessarily say this is where quarterbacks will go. But let's say that's round five. I think that's still pretty fair, given that he's going to be somewhere between QB6 and QB10, most likely the way that drafts are going to go. Bo Nix is another guy that had a poor second half. He finished as quarterback 18 per game at 17.6 fantasy points per game. And we know we're still waiting to find out the timeline for him with the ankle injury.
Starting point is 00:20:19 I'm going to guess he's going to be ready for week one, but still to be determined. And when you look at it, you know, Dave, you talked about this with Javante Williams' lack of touchdowns for Bo Nix. it really was a lack of touchdown. So starting in week 10, he had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven games with one passing touchdown or less. He had a four touchdown game in week 15 against Green Bay. We get to the playoffs. They have the buy in the wildcard round and the divisional round against Buffalo, which is
Starting point is 00:20:45 where he got injured. He has a three touchdown game there. But the lack of touchdowns, I think, really hurt him. So I don't know if there's really much to say about Bo Nix. Is he going to be somebody that anybody wants to draft as a set? second quarterback. So Dave, you make the point. And I know it's probably not the best to say, hey, we're going to take a guy who had a bad second half in Jalen Hertz and pair him with another guy out of bad second half in Bo Nix. And Heath, you sort of alluded to this with the sample size, like,
Starting point is 00:21:08 this is the type of player we don't know, really, I think, who he is yet fully, because it's only been in the league for two years. So do you guys look at Bo Nix, who last year we were drafting as a starter, at least the fantasy community was drafting as a low end starter? Do you have any interest in drafting him as a starter so he's healthy? And if not, do you have any interest in making him one of these high-end backups that you want to draft teeth i'll start with you probably not for me i think like the touchdowns are definitely the reason that the production fell off in the second half now whether the touchdown rate in the first half or the touchdown rate in the second half is more indicative i think we really don't know yet but the the bigger
Starting point is 00:21:44 problem for me is the passing efficiency just did not really improve last year he had several high volume games and maybe the real story was the difference between the two halves was the fact that he had some crazy comeback wins in the first half and didn't need as many of those in the second half. But he's now thrown 1,100 passes in the NFL and he's averaging six and a half yards per attempt. That's just pretty mediocre. So I'd view him as a mid-QB-2. Maybe you'll start him against high-powered offenses, but probably not somebody I'm targeting and definitely not somebody I'm ranking as a starter. Yeah, I'm almost positive. I can name 16 quarterbacks I would take ahead of bone necks at minimum.
Starting point is 00:22:24 And I might even be able to name three or four more on top of it. So probably somebody that could go undrafted in 1QB leagues. Makes sense. You know, I guess we'll see, you know, in terms of offseason, any additions, you know, what the Broncos decided to do. But, you know, this is one of those, I think, scenarios where you could say great defense. Run game did improve slightly, I think, from 2025 to 2020, from 2024 to 2025. So he had to do a little bit less.
Starting point is 00:22:51 so he ran a little bit less. And then now you factor in the injury. Offensive line is still great. Obviously, play caller is still great. You got an aging, Cortland Sutton. We'll see if guys like Troy Franklin and Pat Bryant, some of these other young wide receivers take a step forward, Marvin Mims as well.
Starting point is 00:23:04 But it feels like you just kind of know who Bo Nixen is, be some great weeks. And unfortunately, just the stretch of games that we saw in the end of the second half last year, not great. This next quarterback was somebody that we thought was going to be great. He had a great 2024 campaign, struggled down the stretch in 2025. and now a lot of things still up in the air with Baker Mayfield for 2026 because his receiving core could be different, especially if Mike Evans leaves first time that he would not be a member of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Starting point is 00:23:29 He is expected to play in 26, but could test the market. And a new offensive coordinator, they have Zach Robinson now is the play caller there in Tampa Bay. So Dave is Mayfield somebody? See one of those guys in the top 16 quarterbacks for you and someone that you would be looking to draft as a high-end backup or maybe a low-end starter? More so than Bownecks. and it's because I believe that the receiving core in Tampa will be still strong whether or not Mike Evans is there or not. It'd be weird seeing Mike Evans in another uniform, but we'll see how it goes.
Starting point is 00:23:59 But I felt like Baker Mayfield season did a hard U-turn when he got hurt and then when the offensive line got hurt. And a little bit about when a mecca, Abuka got hurt too. And those three things started, I want to say like in that Lions game, and it kind of snowballed all the way through till the end of the year. So I don't think we got a healthy Baker and a beat-up Baker with a beat-up breakout receiver behind a bad offensive line led to some really bad numbers. And so now we're going to have the opportunity to take Baker Mayfield with a late
Starting point is 00:24:36 pick, see how his season starts. And maybe he does put together a year like he did to start 2025 and like he ended up having in 2024. And it's going to be great value. He's going to be a name that I target in two QB drafts for sure. Yeah, I've got him just ahead of Bo Nix and the projections. And I think the thing that makes him more complicated is, if you remember, when at the start of this season, his first three games,
Starting point is 00:25:03 he wasn't actually particularly good. He just threw a lot of touchdowns and was averaging almost 40 rushing yards per game. Those first three games, he was averaging 205 passing yards per game and 6.2 yards per attempt. But he threw six touchdowns in the first three games and he ran for 40 yards a game. He only had two games the rest of the season where he ran for 40 yards. And then you had the other things. And I think the other thing that makes it more complicated is like there's been some inconsistency with Jalen Hertz, but it hasn't been to the degree of Baker Mayfield. We've seen him sore to great heights and just completely fall apart in the past. So I think he's, I agree with Dave.
Starting point is 00:25:43 I like him more than Bo Nix, but I'm not targeting him as a starter for sure. It's pretty remarkable on one hand and frustrating another that he's had to go through so many different offensive coordinators in his career. And this is now his fourth and his last four years in Tampa Bay. So he goes from Canales to Liam Cohen to Josh Grisard, Grizzard, to now Zach Robinson. And look, two of those guys have become head coaches. and it's understandable why they were good because Baker was good. And then last season, you know, they have to move on from Grizard.
Starting point is 00:26:19 And hopefully we'll see if Zach Robinson can, you know, sort of work the Rams magic that didn't necessarily materialize from a quarterback perspective, at least for the Falcons. We'll see if that materializes for Baker Mayfield. But still a lot to like, especially if Evans does return because that receiving court could be amazing, Abuka taking a step forward, Godwin, two years removed from the injury, and, you know, still Jailin McMillan as well.
Starting point is 00:26:39 But I don't think anybody's going to necessarily target him as a number one fantasy quarterback. I was transition to the running back. We already talked about Javante Williams. Again, signing the three-year contract extension. We talked about that at the beginning of the show. If you missed that, you can go back and listen to it then. But another guy that Adam has as a poor second-half performer is Seguan Barclay,
Starting point is 00:26:57 who we know had a lot of high expectations coming into the 2025 campaign. Finished 2024 is one of the best fantasy options. Ran for 2,000 yards and was just amazing. finishes weeks 10 through 18 as RB19, an average 13.1, I'm assuming it's PPR points per game. Dave, when you look at Barclay and the struggles that he had and kind of just, you know, touched on this a little bit with Jalen Hertz. Offensive line was a concern. Offense in general, play caller, all those things. Is Barclay somebody you're targeting as a bounceback candidate in 26, knowing that he's now a year older? Thankfully, did not deal with any significant injuries in 2025, but.
Starting point is 00:27:38 Can he get back to being that running back that we saw in 2024, at least close to that as a fantasy option? Can I get him in late round two? Is he somebody who I can pair with a stud receiver, or even if I want to go RBRB to begin my drafts, assuming I'm picking in the first, let's say, three or four picks in the draft, so if I'm in slot one through four, and I can get Sequin then, I'll do it. I'm assuming that the offensive line in Philly will at least begin the season healthy,
Starting point is 00:28:06 their depth will be addressed. Again, the new play caller, I think it makes a difference. I think it's important. Will the receiving core still be dangerous enough to force the safety to play back? And will Saquan Barkley somehow get a good target share, which we've been kind of wishcasting for a while. I really like to see that develop even further. I just don't know if we will. That's the spot for me, James.
Starting point is 00:28:31 If I can get him in late round two, I'd feel pretty good about it. So he went, he to before he jump in. He went with the eighth pick in round two. So 20th overall, again, the running backs just ahead of him were Ashton Genti, O'Marie and Hampton, James Cook, and the running backs who went after him were Josh Jacobs, Bucky Irving, Derek Henry. So I think that's probably the range we're looking at for him. It's just a matter of does he go ahead of receivers like Rashi Rice, Justin Jefferson,
Starting point is 00:28:57 league neighbors, Trey McBride also went ahead of him. So Heath, is that the spot you're looking to target him as well? Yeah, and I think that the new offensive coordinator complicates it a little bit because Dave mentioned the target share. And I wonder how much of the need to throw the ball to AJ Brown more cut into Saquan Barkley's targets because he had a catch at least one in every game through week 12 and was averaging like three and a half catches per game. Last five games of the season, he had four games with zero catches.
Starting point is 00:29:31 like and again new offensive coordinator so that doesn't necessarily show us any sort of trend going into this year maybe it was just that hey we got to throw the ball to a j brown enough to where he stops complaining while we try to go be a playoff team and so they had fewer design targets for for berkeley but i think that will be a big key he's not going to be the past catching threat that he was once upon a time but there's a big difference between three catches per game and zero it's also a look at the way that the season unfolded for him. Once we got to week 14, it's just in terms of touches. I'm totally in agreement with you that the catches matter for him, but it was 20 carries against the chargers in week 14, 22 carries against the Raiders in week 15, 21 carries against the commanders in week 16,
Starting point is 00:30:17 19 carries against the bills in week 17. Like if you say going into it, he's going to get you 19 plus touches week to week. Like you're signing up for sake while in three of those games. He was 16 PPR points or more. It's just that he's not helping you the way that you're used to Sequin Barclay, helping you since he's been a rookie when he had 90 plus catches that rookie season, gets the playoff game in the loss against San Francisco.
Starting point is 00:30:41 It's 26 for 106 and three catches, 25. Like that's the Seekle and Barclay. I think we all want to see because he did that without a touchdown. The ironic thing about putting him on this list is that he would probably had his best stretch of the season in the fantasy playoffs. Like, or 14 through 16 at least. Yeah. Like he was 18 fantasy points per game in those three weeks.
Starting point is 00:31:01 So it was just a really uneven season for the Eagles and Sparkley. Last running back on this list is Breece Hall, who ended the 2025 campaign, Weeks 10 through 18, as RB25 averaging 12.1 ppr.R points per game. It feels like that's kind of just who he was all season. Yeah. So I don't know, second half, first half, you know, I'm sure Adam has a rhyme of reason to this.
Starting point is 00:31:24 But we spent a lot of time on Breece Hall. So, Dave, just sort of wrap up the pre-free agency Breeze Hall conversation, like if he comes back to the Jets, how discouraged would you be and where would you be targeting him? Assuming, you know, new quarterback, we know they have a new coordinator, things are changing for the Jets, but are they changing that much more than you'll be saying, I have to have Brise Hall,
Starting point is 00:31:47 who is somebody that I think we're all excited about and hoping to see him maybe, you know, change franchises for 2026. Yeah, I think we need to see him change franchises. I think the driving, the driving force of the, the Jets using multiple running backs was Aaron Glenn and not Tanner Engstrand, their offensive coordinator from last year.
Starting point is 00:32:08 And I'm pretty sure that Aaron Glenn's going to want to do the exact same thing this year. And the drop off from his first eight games to his last eight games really wasn't that big. It was 14.1 in his first eight games, 12.1 in his last eight. And he needed some huge games just to get that average. Jamie, he had four games under nine and a half PPR points in his first eight games. And he had four games under eight and a half in his second. That offensive line needs to stay healthy. I'm sure the offense will be a little bit better coordinated under Frank Reich,
Starting point is 00:32:40 but we've still got questions about everything else in that offense and how they're going to go. And I would expect Reese Hall to still split reps to some degree with Isaiah Davis and Braylon Allen there in New York. And that makes me worry about him getting back over the 15 PPR point per game hump. I feel dumb for having them ranked as high as I did last year. I don't want to come close to having them ranked anywhere near. I don't think I even want him to be like a top 24 pick. I don't think he's worthy of that if I'm worried that he's not even going to average 15 ppr points per game.
Starting point is 00:33:16 The quarterback will matter a lot there probably as well. Like how many targets is Briss Hall going to get? He's not probably going to be an efficient rusher behind this offensive line on this offense. He's probably not going to score a lot of touchdowns. but we know he has the ability to catch 50 or 60 passes. Is he playing with a quarterback who might give him that opportunity? And to Dave's point, Braylon Allen got injured early in the season.
Starting point is 00:33:37 This was a guy that they expected to be a factor throughout the course of the year, whether it was going to be short-yarded situations, goal-line opportunities, like he was somebody that was going to be getting touches for them and then suffer the knee injury. So we'll see what happens to Braylin Allen coming back. But yeah, I mean, at this point, like either complete overhaul of personnel or just, you know,
Starting point is 00:33:56 changing teams and we talked about this one of the shows last week, like our preferred destinations. I know for me, Brise Hall was Jacksonville to see him go to a team like that and replace Travis E.T and I think that would be fun. Are we taking another break? When we come back and get into the, sorry? How about almost anywhere in the
Starting point is 00:34:12 National Football League? Yeah, well, I mean, you know, certain teams have running back starting plays. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I don't want to go to Atlanta or Detroit, but right. Right. Any place that's got even like a chance of an opening to be a usable workhorse would be a lot better than the Jets. Absolutely. All right. We take a break. We're going to come back and talk about some
Starting point is 00:34:30 wide receivers in tight ends who had some terrible second half in 2025. First wide receiver on this list that Adam gave us is C.D. Lamb, who finished the second half of the season in weeks 10 through 18 as wide receiver 19 averaging 13.8 ppr.pr.P.R points per game. Again, it feels kind of similar to Breece Hall. Like, this was just kind of who C.D. Lamb was was for the majority of the season, except for the first couple of games before he got hurt. And then George Pickens sort of took off, and we had just the lack of touchdowns for CD Lamb to close the year. So Heath, when you look at CD Lamb, and let's assume that George Pickens comes back, because it seems like everybody in Dallas, except for Jerry Jones, at least as of now, has said he will be back with the Cowboys. Are you worried about CD Lamb at all?
Starting point is 00:35:13 Are we expecting just him to get back to being this elite fantasy option and somebody we should be targeting around one? I am definitely worried about CD Lamb being a top two or three wide receiver in fantasy. I'm a little bit worried about taking CD Lamb in round one if George Pickens is back. I also think that the second half numbers are a little bit too impacted by, as you said, the lack of the touchdowns, which is probably a little bit of randomness, and the fact that two of the games that he played in the second half of the season, he played less than half of the offensive snaps, I don't think he was fully healthy in that stretch either. In one of those games, he had one catch for four yards against the Giants. So I think you should expect him to definitely bounce back to be better than what he was in the second half last year.
Starting point is 00:36:03 I still expect him to be a number one wide receiver for fantasy purposes. But I don't think if Pickens is there, he's competing to be the number one wide receiver. Dave, let me ask you a question about CD Lamb because we have, for the most part, a very balanced career in fantasy production of somewhere between 14.1 and 17.2 ppr points, except for 20203, where we get this spike year of 22.9. Are we chasing that year? Yep. And really, he's just more of a very good borderline number one wide receiver who could be great, but kind of just needs to, A, stay healthy, B, have every target going in his direction.
Starting point is 00:36:47 I mean, that year, he goes from basically about 150 targets per game, which is what he was in 2022 and 2024, to 2024, to 100. and we know Doc Prescott's been injured throughout this time as well. But are we chasing the wrong type of player here? Is he just really good and not elite, or at least consistently elite? No, he's the right type of player. He's not getting enough targets to warrant being a top three wide receiver or a top five pick in a fantasy football draft.
Starting point is 00:37:16 His situations change. He's got George Pickens to compete with for targets. And what the Cowboys can do now in short-yardage situations, that also works a little bit against C.D. Lamb, but you mentioned 2023 and what he did after the buy, then it was like 12 targets per game. I think it was more than that for that stretch. And that's why he averaged 23 fantasy points per game. And I think we chased that for sure in 2024 and to a degree going into 2025. And we didn't really think that George Pickens was going to take away a ton of targets from them. But here's what it was. In 2025, CD-LAM average 10.1 targets per game.
Starting point is 00:37:57 When we draft CD-Lam, we sign up for that. No questions asked. That's awesome. Last year was 8.4. And so losing one and a half targets per game, almost two targets per game, that's rough. And you throw the injury on top of it. I think Heath nailed it. I don't know if CD-Lam was exactly, I don't think he was 100% after his injury to start the year. Because he started the year playing great. He got a lot of targets, did well. I'm looking right at it, 18 PPR points and 20 PPR points, first two games of the year.
Starting point is 00:38:28 Yeah, that's what we signed up for when we took him with a top three pick. Are we ever going to see that again as long as George Pickens is there? I don't know if we'll see it consistently. And that's why I'm worried about even having them as my wide receiver five. Like if Malik Neighbors makes the full comeback and the Giants put him in a position to get 10 targets per game, I probably will take Malik neighbors ahead of CD Lamb with George Pickens in Dallas. I think it's going to be pretty close to consensus of whatever order for the three of Pooka, Jamar Chase, and Jackson Smith, Nijigba.
Starting point is 00:39:06 Yep. Wide receiver four is probably going to come down to three to five guys of CD Lam, Amon Rae St. Brown, healthy Malik neighbors, and depending on the quarterback, Drake London. Am I off on that? How about the court, but depending on the quarterback, Justin Jefferson? Certainly depending on the quarterback, Justin Jefferson.
Starting point is 00:39:26 I guess he belongs in that discussion as well. Maybe depending on the suspension, Rushie Rice. And maybe depending on the suspension and health. There you go. That's fair. Yeah. Those. Those people are off the board and drafts this year.
Starting point is 00:39:39 Is there really, is there an argument to be made? that only three wide receivers should go in round one? I think you have to throw him on Ryan there as well. So I think at least four. So four wide receivers in round one. So no question, concern, issue with, let's see what name we use. Stephen Petting for the new office coordinator of the Alliance and how that changes things. For what that means for St. Brown.
Starting point is 00:40:09 Because we're all excited about Sam LaPorta. Right. We're not all excited about that. I'd be more worried about what that means for James and Williams. Fair. Just it's, it feels like once you get past those three wide receivers, question for St. Brown,
Starting point is 00:40:25 question for CD Lamb, question for Malik neighbors, question for Rashi Rice, question for, like, just questions. And then you start to look at these running backs, and it's,
Starting point is 00:40:33 okay, Jonathan Taylor should be a first round pick. And I'm, you know, I'm skipping past Devon A. Chan and Christian McCaffrey, obviously Bijon Robinson, Jemier Gibbs.
Starting point is 00:40:41 But like, you look at James Cook, an easy argument for him to be a first round pick. You look at a Margin' Hampton situation, Chris Chase Brown situation. Like, are those guys just better than the wide receivers there? Jay McBride better than the wide receivers there? I think you'll gravitate toward the running backs
Starting point is 00:41:00 based on what might be left when you get to rounds three and four. I think that by the time we get to July, one or two of these other guys are going to be solidified enough to where he feel good about. It's probably a six and six split most likely. I think we'll get six wide receivers, whether it's Jefferson or London or Rice or whoever happens to fill those last couple spots. And, look, Lamb is easily in round one of George Pickens leaves. There's no question about it.
Starting point is 00:41:31 I think we're all back to being gung-ho about CD-Land without any issues. I think, again, just nitpicking here. But, you know, addition of George Pickens, first time that he had. as since I think it was a Marry Cooper, some strong running mate that is taking targets away from him, and he had a disappointing season. I just feel like every time you look at C.D. Lamb, it's like that 20-23 season just really stands out on its own, and everything else is kind of maybe that's just who he is, and we're chasing just a season that will never be replicated, especially as he continues to get older.
Starting point is 00:42:01 But, again, if Pickens leaves, then it's easy to say he is a first round. All right. Next wide receiver on this list from Adam is Cortland Sutton, who I know Adam drafted because he drafts him in every, league that we do. He took him in round five. So Cortland Sutton finishes weeks 10 through 18 as wide receiver 26, 12.4, PPR points per games. Let's assume Bownex is healthy. Let's assume no significant changes for the Broncos receiving core. Drafting Pat Bryant last year, Troy Franklin the year before, those guys having some good performances throughout the season, maybe took away a little bit from Cortland Sutton. Maybe they addressed the tight-end position and get somebody younger and more
Starting point is 00:42:35 explosive than what Evan Ingram gave them last year. Heath, how do you feel about Cortland Sutton going into 2026? I think probably the safest way is just to view what he did in the second half as pretty close to what you're going to get and view him as a borderline wide receiver too. We know Sean Payton loves to use a bunch of different guys. And I think maybe in the past he's been forced to use Cortland Sutton and Denver a little more than he wanted to because he didn't have a lot of wide receivers that he trusted. Seems to have some more guys that he trusts now. Although really Sutton's targets per game didn't go down in the second half. The touchdown rate went down with Bo Nix's.
Starting point is 00:43:09 but I just think the borderline wide receiver 2 tag is a better way to view him, especially the fact that he's aging out. He's not too old yet, but he's definitely getting up there. And all of his target competition is five plus years younger than him and developing. So there's a risk that more of those targets go to Bryant or Franklin next year. Dave, let's look at round five in the wide receivers. And I'll start with the end of round four just because a couple of wide receivers went in this range. And you tell me Cortland Sutton or this guy.
Starting point is 00:43:40 So we'll start with Devante Smith. Would you have Sutton or Smith? Smith. Jalen Waddle or Cortland Sudd. Wattle. Jamison Williams or Coralun-Sutton? As of now, Jammoh. Luther Burden or Cortland Sutton?
Starting point is 00:43:51 As of now, Luther Burton. D.K. Metcalfe or Cortland Sutton? I might go Sutton there. I'll go, I'll go, D.K. Cortland Sutton or Cortland Sutton. Tary McCloran or Cortland Sutton. McClearn. Yep.
Starting point is 00:44:05 and Marvin Harrison or Cortland Sudden. I think Marvin. I've got those guys projected almost exactly the same. I think there's more... They feel the same. There still feels like there's more upside with Harrison than there is with Sutton. And Heath, I guess I'll just let you chime in.
Starting point is 00:44:25 Smith or Sutton, Devante Smith or Sudden. I agree with... I have everybody that you listed over Sutton. Okay. So there he is. You know, sort of kind of where he finished, about wide receiver 25. my guess is that when we, or 26, excuse me,
Starting point is 00:44:39 my guess is when we get to drafts will go a little bit sooner than that, depending on what some of these guys are dealing with. Metcalf's got a quarterback issue. If AJ Brown's back in Philadelphia and Dallas Scotters back, maybe Sutton goes ahead of Defante Smith. Quarterback situation, Miami could be awful. You know, so some of these guys, you know, may not necessarily be in great spots as well.
Starting point is 00:44:57 But I think we could just kind of know at this point what Cortland Sutton is, you know, kind of going back to what he said about Jalen Hertz. Like you kind of just know what you're getting. You're getting a guy that can be a borderline top, 20 wide receiver, probably not going to be a top 10 caliber guy unless he has a double-digit touchdown season. I'm going to combine this next wide receiver and one of the tight ends on Adam's list because they play on the same team.
Starting point is 00:45:17 So we have Ladd-McConkie and Orronday Gadsden. McConkey finished weeks 10 through 18 as wide receiver 43. Gadsden finished that same stretch as tight end 35. Is it just easy to say offensive line fell apart for the Chargers? Justin Herbert struggled for the Chargers. and things are going to be dramatically different for that team in 2026 because of Mike McDaniel. Sure. I think that that's,
Starting point is 00:45:43 I think that's fair to say. But to me, it's all about target volume for Ladd-McConkie. And that's the biggest difference for me between 2024 and 2025 was that his, he saw his targets drop and then the combination of that and the surrounding offense atmosphere, uh, situation, whatever you want to call it is,
Starting point is 00:46:04 is what made Ladd-McConkie very undesirable for fantasy. Every game that he had at least seven targets in, he had at least 14.9 PPR points. Can we get back there? That's something that I'm not sure will definitely happen. He was closer to begin with. I think it was like six and a half targets per game last year. But if they've got,
Starting point is 00:46:26 even if they'd move on from Keenan Allen, Quinn Johnson's still there. They have two rookie wide receivers. They'll be second year guys. they'll be competing for time. Oronda Gadsden will be competing for time. Amaran Hampton will be a better running back and a better pass catcher. It does make me worried about overrating Ladd McConkey,
Starting point is 00:46:47 who's a great talent. But there's a lot of mouths to feed. And when that happens, there's usually a fantasy decline. I would try and take a cautious approach with McConkey, especially in half and non-PPR. Yeah, I think, like he only had. six fewer targets last year in the same number of games that he had in his rookie year is that really true that's unbelievable it's just that he was he caught 73 percent of his targets as a rookie
Starting point is 00:47:14 and he caught 63 percent last year and averaged two fewer yards per catch that's why and he wasn't like he had a huge target volume in the first half of the season he was on pace for 144 targets but he was also on pace for nine hundred and ninety four yards so we've got this rookie year where he was just incredibly efficient on a maybe mediocre for a good wide receiver number of targets. And then last year where he was actually slightly below average in terms of efficiency. And we got to figure out which is the real Ladd-McConkie because it's not like in the first half of the year before the injuries to the offensive line, he was producing efficiently. He was averaging 6.9 yards per target in the first half and didn't have a touchdown in the first
Starting point is 00:48:03 month. So I think he's a wide receiver too. I like him better than Sutton, but I'm not, I'm not expecting him to get back to his rookie year efficiency. He, do you have the ADOTs for 2020? 9.9 both years. All right. I'm okay. So it really does come down to the catch rate, touchdowns, and all that other stuff. Just so this is the type of player that I'm generally very interested in because you're going to get what could be borderline I don't say superstar, but, you know, superstar caliber production at a
Starting point is 00:48:39 discounted price. Because any time you get these players that are coming off down seasons, and then, at least for me, I don't want to speak for anybody else, but I'm very excited about the Chargers changes. I think offensive line healthy, Mike Daniel there,
Starting point is 00:48:50 I think those are two significant upgrades. Obviously, the offensive line is easy to point to, but I like McDaniel as the play caller. I think that's going to be great for Justin Herbert. I think it'll be more creative and open up some things and allow him to, you know, get back to being an eliteish-level quarterback.
Starting point is 00:49:04 and his receivers should benefit Keenan Allen. I'm expecting to be gone. We'll see if, you know, Trey Harris, and as Dave mentioned, you know, Lambert Smith, for example, you know, these other young wide receivers if they step up in full roles, Gwen Johnson, somebody I'm going to be excited about as well.
Starting point is 00:49:17 And the same thing for Arunda Gads, and obviously looking at what McDaniels done with this tight ends at times, Johnny Smith and even Darren Waller in the small sample size. Like, I think there's just lots of like about these, the players on this team. And so I drafted McCocky, I think, let's see where I got him.
Starting point is 00:49:33 It was the end of round 3. Like to me, that's great. That's a lot of upside there. And he was really after a tear break. So, you know, as I'm watching the, I was at the end of the round. So I'm watching it unfold. It goes, Garrett Wilson, T. Hagan's AJ Brown. Obviously, I take all three of those guys right now over Ladd-McConkey.
Starting point is 00:49:48 I think there's more upside, especially if the quarterback situation for Wilson is right. But then the wide receivers who went after him, Devante Adams, I'll take McConkey. Abuka, depending on Mike Evans, right now, I'll take McConkey. Flowers, I'll take McConkey. You know, so Smith, Waddled, that whole group that starts to go where, Cortland Sutton. To me, I think McCawkey's got more upside than all of them. And I know it's debatable, but I just love the situation for him. And for Gadsden, look, last year was, I think, somewhat fluky with how he started to perform. It was almost directly tied to Quentin Johnson.
Starting point is 00:50:17 When Johnson was out, Gadsden was great. When Johnson was in, we didn't see the best of Gadsden. But again, we're looking at just a retooling of this offense. I think Gadsden's just the type of tight end you wait for. Certainly going to go after the tops, what did we say, seven. It's the two at the top of Bowers or McBride and Bowers, then the younger tight ends of Colson Loveland, Harold Fanon, Tyler Warren, Tucker Crafts in that group, and then Sam Laporta. So I think after that range of, that group of tight ends comes off, then I think you can make an argument, Gadsden belongs in that second or third tier after those guys,
Starting point is 00:50:52 but certainly a good tight end to wait for, again, depending on what the Chargers do with the rest of their personnel. All right, let's wrap it up with the last two tight ends we're looking at here, two that I just mentioned. Brock Bowers finished as tight end five, which is just awful. I mean, how could he only finish his tight end five?
Starting point is 00:51:07 And then Tyler Warren has finished as tight end 17. So we'll start with Bowers. I think it's kind of easy to say what happened there. The knee injury, quarterback play, offensive line, everything. Everything is changing for the Raiders.
Starting point is 00:51:20 Do we like Bowers enough? And it's not about, I think, calling him tight end two, because I think everybody's going to draft him as tight end, too. I don't think anybody's going to take the younger tight ends ahead of him. yet unless you're just really in love with Love Linter Fanon.
Starting point is 00:51:33 Those are probably the next two guys. Do we like the situation enough for Bowers with the coaching changes of Clint Kubiak, now the head coach, and again, Fernando Mendoza expected to be the quarterback there? Any interest in maybe taking Bowers tight end one ahead of Tray McBride? Can't do it in PPR. I've got Bowers ahead of McBride right now in my projections, but I will probably, the advice will probably just be like, you just wait until Shrey McBride's taken in round two.
Starting point is 00:52:03 I guess if you have to make that choice, I'm probably taking a wide receiver or a running back that early in round two, but Bauer's usually there in round two, late round two, and McBride's not. So what's the earliest you would take Brock Bowers? 20? Not bad.
Starting point is 00:52:21 I mean, certainly, you know, if you want to guarantee him, he's probably the early round three. Right. I mean, yeah, it's that point where you look at your pick at the end of round two and you're probably not going to get him in round three, so you have to decide if you want him on. Right.
Starting point is 00:52:34 And the later you get in a round two, the more likely he'll go. So I think if he's even on the board when you get to, let's call it 22nd overall, you might be surprised. So for Heath, I think it's an interesting question. You love Brock Bowers. You loved him last year. And, you know, again, injuries sort of derailed what could have been because he looked like he was great in week one and comes back in that game against Jacksonville has a 45-point game.
Starting point is 00:53:02 You know, looks every bit the superstar that we saw is. rookie season. You love Harold Fanon, too, and Fanon may go two rounds later than Bowers. Which player at that cost would you take? Bowers end of round two, Fanon, round four, whatever part of round four maybe. Yeah, assuming you're looking at pick 20 and pick 44 or whatever, I'm, I'd probably say if Fanon turns into a round five pick, then I prefer Fanon, but if Fanon's a round four pick, then I'm probably taking Bowers. But it's close. I think the two rounds makes sense. Yep. And again, you know, there'll be a lot of Bauer's hype. Mendoza, I can't believe I get to throw this guy.
Starting point is 00:53:40 Clint Kubiak, I can't believe I get to coach this guy. He's healthy. He looks like his rookie season again. Like there's going to be all those things that come out about powers unless something goes wrong. But that's, you know, we're hoping from an optimistic perspective. And I think also like the upgraded offensive coordinator or play caller is fantastic. The upgraded quarterback, we hope is good. But just they ran 948 offensive plays last year. year. That was dead last in the NFL and league median was about 1,052. So just the fact of running
Starting point is 00:54:12 four or five more plays per game is going to be a boost for Brock Bowers next year. Very true. And Dave, a guy that you were very high on last year and materialized for the majority of the first half of the season fell apart in the second half of the season was Tyler Warren, who got off to a great start with Daniel Jones. Jones suffers the Achilles injury. It's almost like a week before where Tyler Warren started to start to struggle a little bit. just did not finish the season on a high level, finished this tight end 17, 8.8, PPR points per game over that span, weeks 10 through 18.
Starting point is 00:54:43 Is he kind of getting overlooked at this point because of all the hype for Loveland and Fanon against early hype? But the way that those two guys finish the season and Warren struggles, it feels like we almost forget how good Warren was early in the season. And how much of this is tied to because it sounds like they're going to be committed to Daniel Jones. I think there was the report last week that it's going to be Daniel Jones and Riley Leonard.
Starting point is 00:55:02 They're going to try and shop Anthony Richardson. So knowing that Jones is coming off a pretty significant injury tearing his killies, Riley Leonard actually I thought looked good in week 18, but still it's not a proven quarterback. Is Warren just the almost perfect upper echelon tight end to wait for? Because he's going to go after, you know, potentially even Tucker Kraft as well. And maybe if there's a lot of hype for Sam Lipporte, like he could be tight end six or seven. He's going to end up being tight end up being tight end five off the board in every single draft.
Starting point is 00:55:30 I don't think there's going to be a mad rush of people. You think that's the case, though, if Daniel Jones is not ready? Yes, because I think that Warren is an easy short area target for everybody, for anybody who's the quarterback there. And I don't think it'll be Anthony Richardson. That would be bad if it's Anthony Richardson. But if Daniel Jones makes it back on time, he's probably not going to run as much. That means more pass attempts.
Starting point is 00:55:53 That'll help Tyler Warren. That'll help Tyler Warren in the red zone a little bit too. And his numbers were great with Daniel Jones. He averaged 13.1 p.pr points per game. And yet we can easily say, well, he got off to a hot start and he had that great first half of the season. And then like you said, Jamie, he did start to tail off toward the end when Daniel Jones was starting to struggle a little bit. I wonder if Jones was beat up a little.
Starting point is 00:56:15 And he was banged up. He was on the injury report. He had a broken leg. Yeah, and then he right. It ended up. Yeah, he had a fracture in his leg. And then he ended up tearing his Achilles. So he's got a lot to come back from.
Starting point is 00:56:25 I think he's a good fit with Daniel Jones because he's a good short area target. And there's talk that Michael Pittman might not be on the Colts next year. They move on from him. And that means Alex Pierce gets the bag from Indy, Josh Downs gets a souped up role, and Tyler Warren gets a big role. Maybe that could be enough to push him closer to Fanon and Loveland on that second tier of tight ends.
Starting point is 00:56:48 But I don't think it'll be enough to put him over the top of either of those guys, unless there's major changes in Cleveland and or Chicago. That means he's going to be the fifth tight end off the board. That means you can put your radar up for him as soon as one of those two tight ends, Fanon or Lovelin gets paid. then you know that Warren's going to be coming soon after the other one. But he's going to be the fifth tight end off the board. He's going to be drafted as tight end five,
Starting point is 00:57:11 and he's got a chance to finish the year as tight end five. Still absolutely love the profile, and the situation for him could get better in Indianapolis. And I think, sorry, go ahead. No, I was just going to say, I'm just going to take whoever goes sixth or seventh, I think, out of that group. Just because I've got Kraft and the board are close enough to those guys that I just like, I think all five of them have a good chance at being tied in three.
Starting point is 00:57:33 and so I'll just take the last one. Just to let everybody know, again, our latest mock draft, you can see the results. I keep referencing this draft. It's on CBSPorts.com. So McBride went with the third pick of round two. Bowers went with the last pick of round two, 24th overall. No tight end went in round three.
Starting point is 00:57:53 Then we get to round four where Colston Love one comes off with the seventh pick of round four to Johnny Airport. In round five is when we see the other two guys come back to back. Dave takes Harold Fanon with the seventh pick of round five. Tyler Warren goes with the eighth pick of round five. And then just to give Heath's two other guys that he referenced, he took Sam Leporta with the second pick of round six. And Tucker Kraft was the next tight end that went off with the eighth pick of round six,
Starting point is 00:58:19 followed not far behind from Mark Andrews, which we don't like that pick, and Kyle Pitts right after that as well. So I think if you're getting those seven tight ends in the first six rounds, which is probably going to be, let's just say, we'll stretch it out, to round seven because we'll see if, you know, Leporta with the back and Tucker Kraft with the ACL and some other things that are moving parts. I think most likely you see top two guys in the first two rounds and a round one maybe for McBride and a round two for Bowers. I think you see probably a pretty close, not too much of a separation between Loveland and
Starting point is 00:58:55 Fannin in that round four, five range. I think end of round five beginning around six is kind of where we'll maybe see Tyler Warren settle. And then round six, round six, round six, seven is where we start to see Leporta and Tucker Craft come off the board. But hopefully better second half for Bowers where, oh my God, you can finish in the top four tight ends. Adam will take him off this list. And then for Tyler Warren and Orande Gaston as well. Well, that'll do it for us. Good job, Dave.
Starting point is 00:59:19 Good job, Heath. Thank you for Claire for producing our show today. Thomas is also taking the week off. We'll be back on Wednesday. Hopefully Adam will be joining us and we'll be in better health and we'll give you some more fantasy football offseason storylines to follow heading into the 2026 campaign. For Dave, for Heath, for Claire, I'm Jamie. Thanks for watching.
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