Fantasy Football Today - Wide Receivers Preview Part Two: Complete ADP Review, Best and Worst Values (08/08 Fantasy Football Podcast)
Episode Date: August 8, 2025Bid on Draft-A-Thon items here! https://tiltify.com/@cbs-sports/fft-draftathon-2025... If you're looking for the best wide receiver values, this show should help guide you along the way! We covered the Round 1 guys on yesterday's episode, so today we talk about Round 2 (4:00) and beyond. Drake London and A.J. Brown are easy Round 2 picks, but what about Tee Higgins and Tyreek Hill? As we move to Round 3 (15:00), are we getting nervous about Ladd McConkey? We talk about him and the other WRs in this range including the polarizing Jaxon Smith-Njigba ... Round 4 (28:05) has Terry McLaurin, Mike Evans and Marvin Harrison Jr. Which of these guys do we typically draft?. Then we talk about Rounds 5 and 6 (36:45) which features a lot of high upside players, but there is one WR in this range that we typically avoid ... Round 7 (51:15) has a couple of potential steals in Jaylen Waddle and Jerry Jeudy, plus a few other enticing names. Rounds 8 and 9 (58:10) have the 49ers WRs, Matthew Golden and more high upside plays. And then we finish with Round 10 and more ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Wide receiver values.
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Whatever is relevant during this wide receiver preview.
So yesterday we talked overall strategy.
We talked about the differences between two receiver leagues and three receiver leagues.
Pretty big difference because we basically said to sum it up, you know, we like a lot of the receivers in the 30 to 40 range even.
You don't want them to be the anchors of your team.
But you could, in theory.
draft a hero wide receiver strategy and, you know,
take guys like Calvin Ridley and, you know, sorry, who are some of the names we mentioned?
Calvin Ridley.
So if you took a receiver in the first two rounds, which would be probably toward
the back end of the first round if you're going that way.
So you make sure you guarantee yourself somebody through probably Drake London.
But if you did get T. Higgins or Tyree Kill or one of those guys as your first receiver,
in any event, you're looking at as your second guys, if you do this, if you go this route,
maybe those round five, six guys of Tedaro McMillan and Jerry Judy and George Pickens,
those type of guys, Jameson Williams, but I think where you were going was more like Calvin
Ridley, Jacoby Myers, Ricky Pearsall, Cursel Avae, those type of guys. Matthew Golden, maybe now.
You know, some of those, you know, high-end number three receivers comparatively to the low-end number
two. But the blob, the guys are in the block. So anyway, we said you could pull that off,
but easier to do in a two-receiver league than a three-receiver league.
Sorry, I blanked on some of those names.
I need the rankings in front of me.
So what we'll do today is just go through ADP.
We also gave sleepers breakouts and bust yesterday.
And we ended the show with round one.
We ended the show with basically the top eight receivers.
So we went into round two with Brian Thomas Jr. and Nico Collins.
We're going to start today with round two and basically go through the end of the draft.
So we're using fantasy pros, full PPR overall ADP.
So let's go. Let's start with the round two guys. And we've got Nico Collins and Brian Thomas in round two. And we think they're very good picks early in round two. If anybody wants to jump in and disagree with me, go for it. But it gets more interesting after that as we go to 18th overall and AJ Brown, Drake London. And that's pretty much it. There are no other wide receivers going in round two. You have in round three,
McConkey, Tyreek Hill, T. Higgins.
So if we look at those five wide receivers, Dave,
A.J. Brown, Drake, Drake, Lundon, and then McConkey, Tyreek Hill, T. Higgins.
Are those two different tiers, Brown and London, and then the next three?
I would cram Brown into the top tier.
I would put London with Higgins, Brian Thomas, Jr.
And you know what?
That's it.
That's the second tier.
It's small.
It's three names.
I'm putting Tyreek Hill in the tier after that, and that's also just three names.
It's Tyreek, it's McConkey, and I have Rishie Rice in this tier, but I'm not drafting
them here.
I just think that Rishie Rice, if he's, once he's back and he's healthy, we're assuming
there's a suspension that's baked into the ADP.
I think he can be just as productive and full PPR as those guys.
Okay.
Anybody else want to weigh in on AJ Brown, Drake, London, Tyreek Hill, T. Higgins, Ladd McConkey.
So I obviously agree with Dave because I have A.J. Brown higher than a lot of the guys we've already talked about.
Yeah, I would put London, Higgins, and Tyreek.
I don't have Ladd in that tier anymore.
He fell down into the next group with the signing of Keenan, now the loss of Slater.
McConkey goes the round three tier and really mid to late round three tier, not early round three for me anymore.
I agree with Heath on the macaque tier, and you know where I come out on London.
I think London belongs in the same tier with AJ Brown.
London, but do you think AJ Brown belongs in the same tier as those topies?
Yeah, like I said yesterday, I think there's 10 elite receivers with London being the 10th.
So I would say London, AJ Brown are in, you know, wherever you want to separate those guys.
I don't think we need to go into those semantics.
But I would say, Tyreekins are in a tier by themselves, kind of what Heath's.
was getting to. And then it's that next group, which we'll talk about where McConkey's
now slid into, where I have them behind Devante Adams, JSN, and Garrett Wilson. And I think
it's worth mentioning that T was better that a lot of the guys were putting in the elite
tier, or at least a few of the guys that were putting in the elite T or this year, T was better
than them on a per game basis last year. And he has missed, I took a look yesterday at kind of my
top 12 wide receivers and just thinking about the Nico Collins situation and how much time he's
missed, there are two wide receivers in my top 12 that have played less than 80% of their
team's games over the last three years. Oddly, I was surprised to see T's played more than
Nico has, but T's at 78%. Nico's at 72. And so I think, like, obviously that injury risk gets
factored into T's BDP. If we weren't worried about that after what we just saw last year,
I think he might be up even higher. Is it just that? Or could it also be that we're not believers
that T. Higgins can be as good as he was last year? Because, I mean, almost 30% of his production
came from touchdowns. It was a huge number. We know what he's capable of doing. We know what
this offense is capable of doing. It's just a matter of, well, can he be over 18 PPR points
per game again or is it going to fall into like that 17 16 and a half point range no less i mean
i think well yeah i mean that's where he's been that's where i think he's going to be somewhere in
between where he's been and what he was last year in a contract year you know i give those stats
about joe burrow what he's been on pace for in three of the last four seasons when he t higgins
and jemar chase have all been healthy and if you've missed him and you're just this must be your first
episode then. Joe Burroughs been on pace for 4,950 or more yards in 2021, 2022, and
2024 with a healthy Higgins and Chase and at least 35 touchdown pace. In fact, more than
40 touchdowns in two of those three seasons.
2023 was just a horrible season for the Bengals offense, like a bunch of injuries and
it just doesn't fit. But Higgins, what has he been on pace for in those 2021, 2022,
22 24 seasons when everyone's been healthy.
15.6 ppr fantasy points, 16 ppr fantasy points, and last year it was 18.6 ppr fantasy points.
So the first two of those samples, he was wide receiver, you know, look at those points
per game. That's wide receiver 13 per game. And that kind of feels like the floor for Higgins,
wide receiver 13. I think that makes him a great pick in round three, which is where he's going.
but obviously I don't know if the ceiling is really wide receiver five per game that's what he was last year
but it happened so he could outperform the ADP but yeah I think he's I don't think he's going to be
any lower than 15 I mean it'd be surprising shouldn't be okay and then there's Tyree Kill which is just
he's just wild so how we feeling about Tyree Kill Jamie you're comfortable taking him in the second
round and are you also comfortable taking Higgins in the second round yes for both those guys
And I think, you know, format matters two receiver league versus three receiver league and what you're doing in round one, clearly.
If you take a running back, it's easy to take those guys in round two.
If you don't want to take running back, running back.
But yes, I think Tyreeks upside, you know, how much of last year was six games without two, a tongue of Iloa, the wrist injury, the change in somewhat philosophy.
If that carries over to this year, we'll find out.
But John Smith's emergence.
So there's a lot to like about Tyreek situation.
I, you know, don't like the fact that he's banged up right now, so he's not taking part.
in joint practices with Chicago.
We'll see how much of that is just maintenance
or actually a legit injury to worry about
because it didn't pop up until they went to Chicago
that he's dealing with something.
So I'm not worried about some of the stupid stuff that's been said.
You know, the Devon A-chan comments.
I think the Dolphins purposely try to troll the media,
which I think hurts their football product
more so than them having fun with it.
But as long as his head is focused,
And I think the fact that he has talked about the comments at the end of last season and then what Tua said at the start of training camp, the fact that he came in in a better shape, I think he realizes like this is his last hurrah, if he's going to have a shot to do something special personally and maybe for the team.
So I'll buy into what he still can be.
I'm not expecting 20 plus points per game.
Otherwise, he'd be around one pick.
But I think he can be in that 17 to 18 point per game range, which is why I'll take him back into round two.
Dave, then Heath, when would you take Tyreek Hill?
Pretty close to where Jamie's taking him.
I think I'm 25th now.
I move the tight ends ahead of him.
Because I think you described him the perfect way, Adam.
He's a total wildcard.
We know what the upside is.
We know what the downside is.
Here's a question.
Is the downside what he did in 10 games with Tua starting and finishing?
So that's week one, weeks eight through 16.
This is last year.
It was almost 16 ppr points per game, 15.8.
is the actual number.
I want to draft him like, that's what I'm going to get.
And if someone else in my league is more excited about him,
then by all means, go and get him.
I don't like that he's sitting out in Chicago.
I don't like that Tua keeps talking about the hubbub at the end of last season.
I don't like that I went to practice and I saw Jalen Waddle get way more targets than Tyree Kill.
And I've heard from other people who've gone to Dolphins practice and they've said the exact same thing.
And I know, yeah, he's fast.
certainly that's not an issue in my mind.
But if he's banged up and we know that he was banged up last year and we don't know for
sure what this Dolphins offense is really going to look like, I would be a little hesitant
with Tyreek Hill.
The problem is that how many other receivers are out there that you can look at and say,
oh, yeah, slam dunk, they're going to be over 16 ppr points per game.
I'm sure you guys talked about this yesterday.
But there is just this huge cliff between like the top 10, 11 guys and,
everybody else in fantasy and so that that also makes me nervous but i know that tyriek hill
just has upside that no one at the two three turn or later has yeah yeah i would take t before
tyriek and i've got tyriek 25 also i don't think the floor is the 15.8 fantasy points per game
we saw last year because of all the other stuff it just feels like he has the risk of implosion
more than the other wide receivers
are being drafted ahead of him.
Totally fair.
Heath, his number last year,
including every game,
was 12.8 in PPR.
Is that the floor?
I don't think it's a point per game floor
when you're talking about Tyreek.
I think it's a risk of catastrophe,
either because he's 31 years old
or because he been banged up the last two years
or because something off the field causes catastrophe.
Okay.
So that's the surefire round two guys, A.J. Brown and Drake London. The next two were comfortable taking T. Higgins in round two. Tyreek Hill, you heard. Jamie's definitely okay with it. Dave has him 25th. Heath a little hesitant, but Heath has him as wide receiver 12. So you could see those guys going round two. You could have seen Ladd McConkey going round two. According to what we just heard from Jamie and Heath, I don't know if Dave gave an opinion on that. They're not.
going to do that at this point with Roshan Slater out for the season, the left tackle.
I gave some stats on the Chargers offense on the Milbag show, which we recorded last night
and we'll publish on Saturday in audio about 2022, I believe, when Roshan Slater played only
three games.
And last year, when he missed three games, and it seemed to have a bigger effect on the run
game than the past game.
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round three. So we'll start with McConkey. And so now he's in a different tier because of
recent developments,
Keenan Allen signing.
Although, I mean, I guess my first question is like, really?
Which I'm not saying I disagree, but it has to be asked.
Like, Keenan Allen's 33, coming off his worst season.
So just address it again.
I think we did a few days ago.
Address it again.
You got McConkey.
We're going to ignore Tyreek Hill and T. Higgins,
because we consider them ahead of this group.
We're going to say JSN.
And I guess I'll throw Garrett Wilson in there.
Devante Adams goes into round four.
But if we look at McConkey,
J.S.N. and Garrett Wilson, Heath. Your thoughts?
Yeah, McConkey and J.S.N. are the two wide receivers that I feel comfortable, I mean,
Tyreek, that I feel comfortable drafting in round three. I think I may have McLaurin
36 or 37. And Adams right there and Sutton right there. But I only have really those two guys
as Surefire round three picks. I talked about it yesterday. Garrett Wilson,
I think, has the talent to be drafted there. And if you want to just bet,
bet on the upside and the potential.
We've just, we've done that a couple of times, and it worked out for about half a year last year.
I just worry that the past volume is so low for the Jets that even if Wilson gets 30% of the targets,
it's not enough to justify this, especially because the past touchdowns will probably be really low to.
Do you know what the over-under is for Garrett-Wilson touchdowns this year?
I'd guess six and a half.
Four and a half.
Wow.
Yeah. And I think it's worth noting that I've given this stat too. Over the last 12 seasons, six wide receivers have finished top 12 in PPR and half PPR. And they've been on bottom five pass attempt offenses. And you've got, I don't know, maybe three possibilities here with Ladd McConkey, Jackson Smith and Jigba. That would surprise me. I don't think they'll be bottom five. And Garrett Wilson. So it's,
Possible.
Have you extended that to top 15 or top 20?
Top 15, you don't even have to worry about that.
Like, yeah, they absolutely could be top 16, I have.
There's, over the last 12 seasons,
there have been 16 wide receivers who finished top 16
on an offense that's been bottom five and past attempts.
Top 20, you don't even have to worry about that.
But if you want them to be top 12, it's going to be tough.
Okay.
But that's not to say that the Chargers, Jets, and Seahawks
are definitely going to be bottom five and pass attempts.
Just it's possible.
I think the Jets is easy.
one to say yes.
Like if you're betting on any of those teams
just being there,
that'd be the easy one to put your money on.
All three of those coaches would love it
if those teams were like bottom five
and pass rate.
One of the receivers who did.
We've already talked about one wide receiver
ahead of these guys.
It's probably going to be bottom five
and pass rate in AJ Brown.
And Lamar.
No, but pass attempts because the Eagles
were 21st, 23rd, and 32nd
in three seasons with AJ Brown.
Go ahead, Heath.
And then the Ravens are definitely going
maybe one of the bottom five so these not all these guys probably won't be i think the one that
worries me the most because lad mcconkey might be in a bottom five pass attempt offense but he also
has the most accurate passer of the group so the one that worries you the most is wilson yeah right
okay and then do you guys take devante adams ahead of all of these guys yes i've got jsn and mcconkey
over Devante.
I do not have any
Devante.
I had Devante
I had a Wilson
but not the other two.
Okay.
So if we were looking
at consensus then
McConkey and
JSCN
McConkey
Adams,
JSN Wilson
is how it is
in consensus
but you have to look
at each
individual guy here
Dave Jamie Heath
and their rankings
and see how they have it
but we can call
this a four person tier
Adams, JSN, Wilson
McConkey?
It is for me.
Yes.
Ideally,
this is our
wide receiver too. We'd love to get a stud wide receiver before this. And I will say just about
McConkey, like it's clearly a wild card at this point about who's going to be the slot receiver
for the Chargers or the dominant slot receiver for the Chargers. Clearly that was McConkey last
year. It's obviously been something Allen's done with this quarterback, not necessarily with this coaching
staff. And so last year he played a good amount of time in the slot, as you would expect,
for the Bears. But he has shown the ability to play outside. And what you've heard,
so far, at least from the general manager for the Chargers,
is they're going to mix and match both these guys.
But Connie can still win on the outside.
It's not to say that this is a crushing situation for his fantasy value.
I think that was the case we probably all would downgrade him completely.
But I think when you start to factor in maybe just a better receiving core as a whole
because of what Trey Harris can do and what maybe the combination of Quentin Johnston,
who finished last year, I think stronger than people realized.
and, you know, just to put some context to it, like we sit here and say to some degree,
well, Marvin Harrison scored eight touchdowns last year.
Well, so did Quinn Johnson.
You know, that kind of gets overlooked a little bit, that he was, you know, did a good job finding the end zone.
And now the addition of Keenan Allen.
And I think to your point, Adam, you know, I know the way you framed it, but yes,
he's a 33-year-old receiver and yes, he's coming off matching his worst year of his career points per game-wise.
the fact that he went back to this team and this quarterback makes it a little troubling for
everybody else there.
So again, however you want to view McConkey, I don't have a problem.
You still value him as a round two pick and think he's still going to be great.
And I hope that's the case because, again, he still may be their predominant slot receiver.
But now there's more competition for Targust than there was last year.
And you're, to me, I think comparing him to guys that have similar ranges of outcomes with
JSN and Adams and Garrett Wilson.
For what it's worth, Ladd McConkey, when he was lined up out wide, had even better yard per outrun numbers than when he was in the slot.
He was top seven.
Actually, when he was specifically out wide, he had the fourth highest yards per route run in the NFL.
Yeah, he was.
So the playoffs or just the regular season?
No, just the regular season.
It was Puka.
That makes it even more impressive.
Puka, A.J. Brown, Nico Collins, Ladd McConkey.
lined up out wide yards per outrun leaders amazing how far did you guys move him down
i moved him down from wide receiver 13 to wide receiver 16 he was already wide receiver 13 for me
i moved him down from the two three turn to middle late round three okay i moved him down one
whole spot if he's really going to go late round three then you know that then then it becomes
Do you take this group that we talked about over guys like Ken Walker and Alvin Camara, Omerie and Hampton, the running backs are going to be in this range, the quarterbacks, you know, probably not Allen or Jackson, but maybe Daniels, Hertz, Burrow for sure, George Kittle.
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Welcome back.
So the question that we left off,
on was this group of four receivers, Ladd-McConkey, Jackson Smith and Jigba, Garrett Wilson,
and Devante Adams.
Jamie, do you like those guys, or do you take a running back?
Do you take a different position there if we're talking mid to late round three?
For me, it would totally depend on how you started your team.
So not to take the easy way out, but I think it depends on what you need at this point.
I think in a vacuum, I would prefer the receivers over the running backs, especially
Walker's already battling or had some foot concerns.
and the other guys you listed,
he's really the only one that I would consider.
But, you know, I would take him over Hampton.
I would take him over Camara.
I'd take him over all those running backs for sure.
So that whole group of receivers just in a vacuum.
The quarterback's same situation.
But I think if you needed a running back,
I'd consider Walker and then forget about the rest.
Yeah, Walker is the only running back I would take over these guys.
I would take the top three quarterbacks.
And I split this group of four up.
I still think that McConkey and J.S.N. have a little bit more upside in full PPR than Devante Adams and Garrett Wilson do.
Maybe the better way to say that is I think Adams and Wilson have more downside.
Let me say it that way.
Adams and Wilson, I think, have a little bit more downside in full PPR than J.S.N. and McConkey do.
So there's a gap between those groups of two receivers.
And that's where I'd slide all three of those quarterbacks, Alan, Jackson, Dan,
It's where I'd slide Walker, Hampton, Camara.
That's not the order I have them in.
James Cook is in that group.
But to me, I value the younger guys more than the older guys.
I'm calling Garrett Wilson an older guy.
I should be whipped for that.
But he's in that group of guys that have a lower floor.
I just want to say, I look at JSN, and I know we're concerned about maybe Cooper Cup being there.
J.S.N's another guy who's had success when he's lined up out wide.
That's been pretty rare, but he's always always in the slot.
Cooper Cup has played nine, 12, and 12 games in his last three seasons.
He is 32 years old.
His numbers are getting worse.
Even if he misses, you know, if he misses four games, those could be just huge games for JSN.
So I just, I'll go out on a limb.
I say I love JSN if I can get him 34th overall, which is,
where he's going. That's like an automatic pick for me. Yep. I'm a little bit ahead of that.
I think he's a top 30 player. We saw it last year when DK got hurt. I want to give the exact number.
Give me a second. 17.7 PPR points per game from week eight on. DK is on a different team. I know it's a
different quarterback. And I know that the Seahawks say that they want to run the football. And they
should be better at running the football just because Ken Walker's hurt doesn't mean that they're going to
give up on running the football. We all know that Zach Charbonnet is.
behind him. Charbonnet might even be
the better fit. I say that every time we talk about these
running backs. There is no
better receiver on this team than
Jackson Smith and Jigba.
There's a trend that I think we're going to get in the
NFL. This applies to the Chargers.
This applies to a lot of teams. Guys that
are slot oriented,
meaning either they've played in the slot a long
time or they're so
shifty in their routes that
they seem like good slot
receivers, they're going to start to play on the field
at the same time. And they might both be
in the slot at the same time or they'll line up wide and they'll just run an inside breaking route
and teams are going to take advantage of that route running, that agility and then all these guys
have great hands too. I think that JSN is still going to dominate targets and the contingency
upside of Cooper Cup missing time and a further uptick in targets for Jackson Smith and Jigba just get
me really excited about him in full PPR, much less excited and non-PPR. I need those catches to mean
something for J.S.N. to be a top 30 pick. I've separated J.S.N. and Cup even more, but I do
think that the loss of D.K. could be entirely made up for in terms of target volume by
Cup. I mean, Cup played in an offense that threw 34 fewer times than the Seahawks last year and
only played 12 games, and he had eight fewer targets than D.K. last year. He's always been
a much higher target guy that D.K. has. So I just worry, they threw 593
passes in Seattle last year, that might go down by four a game and they might be less accurate
if Sam Darnold was just a creation of Kevin O'Connell last year. So that's, I think JSN's going to be
the best wide receiver on the team, but it might not be 137 targets like he had last year.
Okay. Into round four, here we go. So Devante Adams is in round four, but let's see.
Who else we got?
We got Terry McLaurin.
We've got Marvin Harrison, Jr.
And that's pretty much it.
The wide receivers are going to start flying off the board beginning in round five, basically.
But Terry McLaren and Marvin Harrison, Jr.
Jamie, who do you prefer?
Oh, Mike Evans.
Evans, very sorry.
Evans is there.
Yep, go ahead.
Of those guys, right now, I prefer Harrison.
The longer it seems as if Godwin's going to miss, I would prefer Evans.
but both of them make me nervous for different reasons.
I would not touch Terry McClellan at all right now in this range.
So I'll let somebody else draft them.
But in terms of the three of them,
this is where we start to see the drop-off.
They've alluded to this earlier, you know.
So once we get past, I think the JSN Adams group in terms of ADP,
there's reason for concern,
which is why I think you want to try and get two of those guys if you can
of the previous group, the previous 16.
So McLaurin with the whole.
in, just, and the expected touchdown regression that's coming, I won't touch him here.
Evans, I think when everybody's healthy, is not going to produce at this level.
I would drop him around at least if Godman were to be able to play early in the season, which
at this point we don't know.
And then Harrison, I think there's still immense upside, but clearly he's got to do a lot
of different things that he did last year.
I think he will.
I think some of the things that we're seeing will help him and hearing that will help
him. But it's just how much do you want to buy into it? So to me, he's closer to where
McCaff and Sutton are versus where he is right now. Heath, your thoughts on these three,
McClorin, Evans, Marvin Harrison, Jr. in round four. Well, I have, I think, six or seven
wide receivers in round four. And Terry McClorin is the only one of the three we're talking
about. Evans, I like just a little bit later. I think I'm 49th. So if you took him in
round four. It's not the worst, but I do worry about the age. I worry about the target competition.
I just, I think the Harrison thing, if you want to bet on the player, it's kind of like
Garrett Wilson. If you just want to bet on the player that you think is really good, I just haven't
seen anything to suggest that this offense is changing in a way that's going to make him more
valuable in PPR league. So I'm not taking Marvin Harrison as early. I haven't really downgraded
Terry McClureen that much yet because of the holdout.
It's just, I think it's too early.
I still expect he's going to play for the commanders.
There is going to be touchdown regression,
but I think even with touchdown regression,
he's a fine pick in round four.
And Dave, your quick rundown of those three, McLaurin, Evans Harrison.
Not sure how quick this is going to be.
Evans, if you just saw him practicing and running around
in practice against the Titans, and it's the Titans.
You would have guessed he's 28.
He looked great.
separating like crazy on the same page as Baker Mayfield.
I'm nervous.
I have him too low and I have him at 43rd overall.
Marvin Harrison Jr.
Every single highlight gets people excited.
If he's got his timing and rhythm down with Kyler Murray,
we all have him too low.
And I've got him at 42.
I've got him ahead of Mike Evans.
But I'm starting to get the idea of targeting these guys because I think that they can give us like a floor of 14 ppr
points per game. But the ceiling, we know what the ceiling is with Mike Evans. We saw it last
year, especially once Godwin went down. Marvin Harrison, if he just, you know, has better metrics,
basically, and maybe an uptick in targets, dude, he could be a top 12 receiver, no questions asked,
maybe return the value of where we were drafting him last year. McLaren in Washington, they need
him badly. They, they especially need him in the red zone. I don't know if they've got a receiver
that can really do what he does. They're using Debo in the slot.
more than anything else.
And I think this offense isn't quite the same without McLaren there.
I agree with Heath.
I think the solution will come eventually.
I just hope that it doesn't come too late in the preseason where McLaurin suffers from not being in camp, not being in game shape, getting off to a slow start.
Maybe he has an injury.
Like there are all kinds of issues that could come up because he's not routinely practicing with the commander.
So he's out of round four for me.
Harrison and Evans, they are right behind DeVante and Garrett Wilson in my rankings, and I can't
rule out moving one or both of them ahead of at least Garrett Wilson because of the upside that
they deliver. And just watching Mike Evans in person really made a difference for me.
Evans was so good last year. And the thing is, we do fall back on this issue of Mike Evans was
wide receiver 23 per game in the first six games of the season, 21 per game and half PPR, 23
per game in full PPR, and his pace was 71 catches, 878 yards, and 14 touchdowns.
He was on pace for 14 touchdowns, and he still was only wide receiver 23 per game because
he was on pace for 119 targets.
He did have eight end zone targets, though.
But I made this point on the mailbag, make it now.
He faced, he had three games with more than 20 fantasy points, and he had three duds.
One of the duds is kind of hard to explain, just a bad game.
One of the duds was against Patrick Sartan.
one of the duds was against the Saints
and he is never good against the Saints.
So I'll let you listeners decide
how you feel about that.
But you could look at that as kind of an excuse.
But for Evan struggling in those first six games,
struggling is a relative term.
He's wide receiver 23 per game in full PPR,
which is his worst format.
But if we're drafting him as wide receiver 18
or wide receiver 20 and he finishes his wide receiver 23,
it's not great.
We wouldn't be happy,
but it's not the end of the world.
I feel like we're drafting Evans much closer to his floor than his ceiling,
and those are the players that I'm always trying to get.
I think the one thing just to keep in mind is that those first six games,
while three were good and three were duds,
we now have the most competition for targets that he's ever faced.
Yes.
Because if a buca is as good as everybody says,
and all you hear from everybody that is around Tampa's team,
and that has seen them play and has.
talk to their personnel and players.
They just rave about this kid.
It's true.
And we know what Godwin was last year.
And if he's healthy, he's going to be a problem.
Whatever level you think Godwin's going to play at, he's going to be a problem for Evans.
And so to get to his ceiling again, I think is just a little bit harder.
So I don't think, and I think this is where Dave's evaluation is right.
Like, I don't think this is a Evans is slowing down situation because of his age.
I mean, that may happen at some point during the season.
We'll see.
But it's just there's so many mouths to feed in this offense,
especially if Bucky's going to be better based on what he did a year ago
and the run game is better.
And now you have to factor in some of the downside for Tampa,
which we talked about with the quarterbacks preview.
Like, I know you guys are concerned to a degree about Baker and the regression coming there.
You have Tristan Worst, who knows how long he's going to be out.
So the protection and the line may not be as good.
And so let's also not forget,
32-year-old Mike Evans missed four games last year with a hamstring injury.
Like, you know, those things don't start to get better over time.
Those things start to creep up more over time.
So I just think, like, this might be his ceiling.
I don't know if this is his floor.
Okay.
You want a hot take?
Real quick, go ahead.
Abuka's going to be more of a problem for Evans than Godwin will this year.
Okay.
All right.
So, there are three wide receivers who are 32 this year.
We've talked about two of them already.
Adams, Evans, Cooper Cup.
32 is often a fall off a cliff season for wide receivers.
Julio Jones was pretty good at 31.
He was injured, but he was good when he played.
He completely faded after that.
Last year alone, Keenan Allen and DeAndre Hopkins, two Hall of Famers.
They had their worst seasons at age 32.
Sometimes it is just a precipitate, like unexpectedly awful year at that age.
Not always, not always.
There are plenty of examples of great players continuing it.
But it's a worrisome.
It's at least something that should be on your radar.
All right.
Let's go on to the next group of wide receivers here.
After McLaurin, Evans, and Harrison, we get into round five.
We have DJ Moore.
Oh, man, this round is great.
I did a mock draft on the air last night, and I came away with three wide receivers in this range, which was great.
It was a 10-team league.
But it was, all right, so this round is DJ Moore, Rishie Rice.
D.K. Metcalfe, Cortland Sutton, Devante Smith, Xavier Worthy, and we'll stop there.
And then after that, Zay Flowers, Jameson, we haven't talked about Teterola McMillan.
He could end up being in the fifth round.
But DJ Moore, Rishi Rice, D.K. Metcalf, Cortland, Sutton, Devante Smith, Xavier Worthy.
Heath, do you like this round as much as I do?
I actually like some of the guys going after, like Jameson Williams and Teteroa McMillan
and Travis Hunter.
I just like this range, I guess.
Yeah, I've got Sutton, Metcalf,
more and worthy all in round four.
So I absolutely love those guys getting them in round five.
I think Sutton's probably the most underrated of the group
and should be expected to see 130-ish targets
and maybe score 10 touchdowns.
Metcalf is a little bit more of a wild card
just because of the age of Aaron Rogers
and the run-heavy tendencies of Arthur Smith,
but he has big, big upside
if somehow Rogers just throws to him 10 times a game
like he has his wide receiver won in the past.
Worthy, obviously, huge range of outcomes as well,
depending on how many games Rushie Rice is suspended.
I saw some speculation that the Chiefs are expecting
four to six games for Rice,
which I think would mean you're going to feel really good about taking
Xavier Worthy in round five.
you may want to take him in round four
and then the DJ Moore
how many times have we talked about not knowing
where the Bears targets are going to go
it's still possible
that DJ more like he has been the last
two years is the number one wide receiver
in a Ben Johnson offense well he's been the number
one for the Bears now it's in a Ben Johnson offense
and just smashes this
a couple of things real quick
Schaefer's pushing back on my Keenan Allen
Hall of Fame comment I stand by it
I think he's going to the Hall of Fame
let's do this
It's one of the hardest positions to figure out who gets in.
I would say probably not at this point.
All right, maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe I'm wrong.
But I'll stick in.
Chargers Ring of Honor.
He's in the Chargers Ring of Honor.
Fantasy Hall of Fame.
I think I might be wrong on this one.
Damn it.
Okay.
So we're going to start with DJ Moore.
We're going to do rounds five and six wide receivers.
And we're going to do the...
You think the Andre Hockman's a Hall of Famer?
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah, I do.
I do.
We forget how dominant he was.
He's one of the only wide receivers actually over the last 10 years or 12 years, I think 12 years, that is finished as wide receiver won in fantasy on a team that was bottom five in past attempts.
In fact, I think he is the only one to do that, DeAndre Hopkins with Houston.
I think somebody, maybe Schaefer can do this for us to just get a collection of the names of wide receivers who are not, who are eligible and still haven't gotten into the Hall of Fame because there are just some incredible, especially for these guys that don't win rings.
it's really hard.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Audrey Johnson did it.
That's the guy I would come back to.
I mean, I think he was better than both those guys.
Certainly better than getting him.
No question.
All right, so we're going to go through the rounds,
five and six guys.
It's a really exciting group,
and I want you to use the,
I want to draft himometer,
just zero to ten on how much you want to draft this guy.
Because while we should go by ADP,
we do consider this part of the blob.
So, you know, they could go in any,
order um for example how much i want to draft him at adp or at a dp at round round five or later
i want to draft this big 48 okay and round five or later i want to draft this guy zero to 10
dj more seven at their spot i'm confused like we want to draft them at their sponsor you're up in
round you're up in round five and you tell me how much you want to draft this guy dj more
10
okay
7 8 and 10
Rishi Rice
4 game suspension
or less
10
oh yeah of course
I'm gonna say a 5
you're not getting him
if it's a 4 game suspension
or less in round
I think it's 4
this is where he'll go
yeah I think he won't be
a top 4 round pick
if he's suspended for
well
for one game yes
maybe 2
3 or 4 I don't know
no 4 I think
3 maybe
that's too much
Anything under three, he's going to go in the first two rounds.
Yeah.
First three.
Okay.
How about D.K. Metcalfe?
Ten.
Ten.
Eight.
Corlin Sutton.
Ten.
Ten.
Eight.
Corl and the last ten games with Bo Nix was over 18 PPR points per game.
Like, once Knicks figured it out, Sutton was pretty damn good.
How about Devante Smith?
Eight.
six.
Yeah.
Jamie wants everybody.
Jamie,
you are the high guy on Devante Smith.
The thing is we always talk about,
well,
he doesn't do that well
when everyone's healthy,
but there's Goddard's always heard.
Okay.
There's patches in every season
where DeVante Smith gets an opportunity
to be like a top 15 fantasy receiver,
if not higher.
Yeah.
I just,
I'm sticking with,
I'm sticking with my narrative
of I'm concerned about Barclay.
and I think it's going to benefit the passing game
and I think it's going to benefit
DeMontes-Smith and AJ Rob.
They do want to throw more.
Like you've heard that from their coaches.
All right, so we've got a lot of high numbers here.
How about Xavier Worthy in round five?
So Rice suspended four games or less, 10.
Four games or more, excuse me, 10.
Four games or less, it's probably six.
I was going to say seven.
Zay Flowers.
Four.
Negative 16.
Three.
So Devante Smith was on pace for 116 targets last year.
Zay Flowers was on pace for 121 targets last year if you remove week 18 where you played 20% of the snaps.
Even if you don't, he had 116 targets.
So that in 17 games, that was the same exact pace as Devante Smith.
And we know Devante Smith gets more targets when other guys are out.
So the production just wasn't as good.
only four touchdowns for Zay Flowers.
But I do find it interesting that there's that big of a gap for you guys
and your excitement to draft Zay Flowers compared to Devante Smith.
And I want to talk about that after we take a commercial break.
So we'll finish up rounds five and six and we'll get to –
and always good wide receivers in round seven to – not just good.
Round seven to nine, we get great wide receivers.
We get a lot of busts because it is round seven through nine,
but we get great wide receivers.
We got a lot more wonderful names to talk about on FFT.
We'll be right back.
Yeah, so we look at Devante Smith versus Zay Flowers.
Smith was on pace for 116 targets.
Flowers had exactly 116 targets and included one partial game.
Smith had more catches or was on pace from more catches.
Flowers had them beaten yards a little bit.
The difference was touchdown.
Smith was on pace for 10 and Zay Flowers had four.
So, Dave, should there really be that big of a gap, though, between Devante Smith and Zay Flowers?
I think there should be because Devante Smith still has that contingency upside.
I, what's the contingency upside for Zayflowers at this point?
Like, it's got to be not just Derek Henry misses time, but Mark Andrews has to be out for a while.
DeAndre Hopkins has to fizzle out.
This is a team in Baltimore.
Like, we know their identity.
They're definitely not changing it.
This team runs the ball.
They've always been run heavy.
And it's really, really hard for a receiver.
I mean, you talked about it, Adam.
It's hard for a receiver to put up huge fantasy numbers when they're on a
team that's so run heavy, especially with Baltimore, I think they produced one wide receiver
in the Lamar Jackson era that's averaged more than 13 PPR points per game. And it wasn't
Zay Flowers. So I just, I don't want to draft this guy in that same range as DeVante Smith,
who is the same type of player, if you ask me. Like they're both so fast, so small, very
shifty. But I just, I like the situation better in Philadelphia, even though Philadelphia last
year. Yeah, they barely ran the football. At least Devante Smith can get some action in the red
zone. Zay Flowers, really, especially inside the five, just is a total non-factor. Other receivers
that we're talking about in this range, easily much more of a factor in the red zone, if not inside
the five. Okay. So how excited are we then? So Zay Flowers is the one that if you're in round five.
I wrote a whole thing on this, if you want to read it on CBS about Zay Flowers. Don't take him in
round five we're saying.
What about Jameson Williams?
You heard my wide receiver strategy.
I mean, part of it I think I said was I want to get James and Williams at the five, six turn.
But, you know, Heath, I did a lot of research this morning about the last three seasons
and the wide receivers drafted in rounds four through six and the ones that really stood out.
And not surprisingly, targets were the biggest factor.
there were examples of players
who didn't get a lot of targets
and just had great years
like James and Williams last year
he was a later pick
but Jalen Waddle in 2022
Brandon Iuke in 2023
a couple of Terry McLaurin last year
but I am worried
that I'm too high on James
because he might be great
but he might just not get enough targets to matter
it sounds a lot like Zay Flowers
but anyway do you think
well give me you guys your answer
zero to 10 James and Williams
in round five
five
seven
eight heath low guy yeah i mean i've got him at the five six turn so i'm much more excited to
draft him in round six i think yeah the targets we are all anticipating to go up it's how much did
the targets go up if he stays at the same target volume he was at last year the ceiling may not
even be as high as what we saw last year because the efficiency was insane so it's just does he go
from, what was he, 105 target pace last year, to 120 to 115?
Like, that's going to determine it.
I think he's the perfect upside wide receiver three.
Okay.
You're going to get a little bit of rushing from Jameson Williams, and you'll get a little
bit of rushing from Zay Flowers, who's rushed for 56 yards, two straight seasons.
So that does help a little bit.
All right, next guy is Travis Hunter.
Let's say we're in, well, stick with round five.
Round five for Travis Hunter, zero to ten.
How excited would you be?
How happy would you be to get them?
Six.
Seven.
Eight.
And let's go to round six.
I don't think that at rest of these guys are going in round five.
Except, no, that's not true.
But I don't think Pickens is.
So Pickens in round six, zero to ten.
Eight.
Nine.
Four.
All right, we'll come back to that.
Teteroa McMillan in round six.
Ten.
Ten.
Eight.
Okay.
So that's a guy that we...
Those guys should be...
Those are two that I like a lot ahead of consensus.
Pickens and McMillan.
And is that it or do we have one more?
We have Calvin Ridley.
Round six.
Yeah, he's going at the six-seven turn, basically.
Yeah, that's where I'm good with that.
I'd be like a six and a half.
Five, six.
So Dave, talk about McMillan.
We did talk about McMillan a lot yesterday.
So briefly on him, but focus on Pickens.
We didn't talk much about him as a round six pick, George Pickens.
So what I am kind of expecting from the Cowboys this year is a lot of a circus and calamity.
I'm not a big believer in the defense.
I'm not a big believer in the run game.
Those two things would lead to the offense having to throw a lot.
Dak is back.
Hopefully that offensive line does get healthy in time for the start of the season.
And I could see this team end up a lot.
and Pickens has been a great star in camp.
There's been a lot of hype about him.
And he's not, he's never going to be double-teamed.
C.D. Lam is there.
He'll never be the top target getter over the course of the season as long as C.
LAM is there.
But there's going to be a few games this year where he'll get more targets than C.D.
Might be four, but it's going to happen.
But they're both going to get a lot.
And that's the point.
I think if there's just going to be a lot of volume and he's playing with,
with Dack Prescott instead of Russell Wilson,
I think there's absolutely, and he's playing as the number two receiver,
I think we can see George Pickens potentially average 14 PPR points per game.
And getting that in what round are we in?
Six.
Especially with all the other receivers that are going to come off the board after him.
I think that's a win.
I think he can be a great number three receiver,
and he might even sneak into the top 24.
Anybody else have anything to say about Pickens or McMillan?
I didn't say a word about McMillan.
Yeah, no, we've covered him a lot.
We're getting excited about McMillan.
He's a round five guy.
McMill is a top 24 receiver that could easily push to the top 20.
I mean, you know, just looking at what his opportunity is in his offense, what he did in college,
the way that the draft capital was spent on him.
Like, there's a lot to like, especially if you buy into what Bryce Young did at the end of the season,
that this is going to be his go-to guy, and I think it will be.
So I would take him ahead of several of the guys here.
like and round five i think is a great spot for okay so now we go into round six and i mean i kind
have to do a double take to see or no we're in round seven right around seven sorry do a double
take to see jerry judy here because you know we just we've never made it this far in our drafts
we do it's go scroll up a little bit thomas i'm sorry we have jalen waddle is the first guy in this
range here.
So Jalen Waddle, Jerry Judy, Chris Godwin, Chris Olavay, and Jordan Addison.
That's round seven.
And we're up to wide receiver 36.
These are wide receivers 32 through 36.
And I just looked at football guys, and Jerry Judy is going 72nd there too.
So can we just say if you can really get Jerry Judy in round seven, you should take him?
One hundred and six?
He says you should take him in round six.
Would anybody take him in round five?
In a very heavy receiver league, yes, but I would prefer to get him in round six.
I would take him in round five, but you really doesn't seem like you have to unless you're drafting with me.
Although there's been a couple of times I've tried to play that game,
and Schaefer's using my rankings in the mock draft and takes him.
It makes me upset.
And this is part of the reason I think that if I really pay attention to these round seven, round eight wide receivers,
and do you see the potential for these to be number two or number three wide receivers?
Because if you do, it makes the elite quarterbacks, the elite tight ends, and the running back heavy starts more attractive, that hero wide receiver approach.
If you think, you know what, I could take Jerry Judy in round six and Jalen Waddle in round seven, and we haven't even said Jacoby Myers' name yet, I'll be fine with my number two and number three wide receivers.
I want to be elite everywhere else.
I mean, Chris Godwin was the number three receiver per game last year.
He was amazing.
we're going to have an injury doctor on, not next week, but the week after.
I wouldn't even mind trying to get him on next week.
I want to ask him a lot about Chris Godwin.
But yeah, man, I mean, this is an appealing group here.
Waddle, top 24 per game in each of the first –
is he going to his fifth year or sixth year?
Every year but last year for Waddle.
Year five.
Okay, so each of the first three years of his career is top 24 per game in all formats.
Yeah, then there's Judy, then there's Goblin.
So, all right, let's do the same exercise.
I think just one thing with Judy that I'm so curious about is we saw him take off when Cooper was traded and clearly the quarterback change.
But the first couple of games, it was Tillman.
It was kind of everyone, wasn't it?
Because they were throwing 42 times a game, I think.
Yes, but Tillman was better.
Tillman was better.
What week does that start?
That's week eight.
I think week eight was the was the quarterback injury.
Week 7 was the trade.
Oh, okay.
Yep.
Tillman, yeah.
Week 7 was, was, Sean Watson got hurt in that game.
It's 12 targets for Tillman, six for Judy.
And then, yeah, then after that, Jerry Judy was the number three wide receiver per game from weeks eight through 15.
That's how good he was.
He was on pace for 119 catches, 1,9009 yards, seven touchdowns on 168 targets.
Right. This is not to say that Tillman should be drafted ahead of Judy.
This is not to say that I think Judy is not the better of the Browns receivers.
I just wonder how it would have looked over the course of the season if Tillman had stayed healthy.
Just a small factor.
One more case for Judy.
Because, again, if you've been listening for months, you've heard me say this.
If you're just starting to listen now, you probably haven't.
2022 is actually a really good season for Jerry Judy.
There were three games in 2022 where he played 1%, 14%, 14%.
and 38% of the snaps, and he had eight targets in those three games.
If you take those out, he averaged 15.8 PPR fantasy points per game that year.
And they were the lowest scoring team in football, by the way,
which is kind of what you're expecting for the Browns.
That was with Denver.
And he basically started the year's second fiddle to Sutton,
and then he took over and was better than Sutton in the second half of the season.
So he is not necessarily a one-year wonder.
Heath, what were you going to say?
I was just going to say that I really think we have to qualify our expectations for the Browns offense and separate it based on as long as Joe Flacco is starting and after somebody else starts.
Because I don't expect them to be one of the lowest scoring offenses in football when Joe Flacko's quarterback.
I think they might be when someone else is.
But I think there's a pretty, as much as Joe Flacco is not like maybe going to help them win games, although he might win a couple.
I think they're only five and a half point underdogs to the bingles in week one.
Like, I think that they will be closer to an average offense in terms of production,
even if it's a bunch of garbage done.
Well, then take it like this.
He's already played on the worst offense in football and still done very well.
Okay, so let's do this exercise.
If you can get these guys in round seven, zero to ten, how likely are you to do it?
How excited are you to do whatever you want to say?
Jalen Waddle.
10.
100.
eight
okay and Dave's not even the high guy on Waddle
but we still think round seven
is Dave's always pointing out Waddle with
A-Chan on the field has been a different player
but round seven's good
Jerry Judy it's A-chan and Hill
they both have to be on the field
A-chan sorry
Judy we'll just say a 10
200
Chris Godwin
5
Yeah like a 6 max
Uh, four.
Tough.
All right.
Chris Olave.
Five.
Seven.
Four.
Jordan Addison.
Three.
That's a five.
One of the weird things about Olave last year, because he played only one game, I think, without Derek Carr, and he had a huge game.
But Rashid Shaheed didn't play.
But when Rashid Shahid was healthy, Shaheed was out targeting Olave.
It was very strange.
I was having a good camp, too.
Shahid is?
Yeah, he is.
Put him on the sleepers list, I guess.
For sure.
Yes.
All right, so we said Addison,
we're expecting a suspension,
but he's,
I mean,
Addison's kind of like
James and Williams, right?
Yeah, but as I pointed out to you
last night on the mailbag,
you don't have him for three games.
Week four is Pittsburgh.
Tough matchup, obviously.
We don't know how McCarthy will look by then.
Week five is Cleveland.
Week six is his baseball.
buy you may not feel comfortable playing jordan addison until week seven that's a tough ask good point
all right let's get to round eight here pretty soon we're going to see a drop off in tier but
depends who you ask because like two of the guys that heath really likes are in this tier cooper cup and
david joku so we've got romo dunezay super dub and divo samuel sorry cooper cup and debo
samuel he does like david de joku and he's going in between those two guys but uh we've got
Romo Dunzee to start off round eight
Cooper Cup
Debo Samuel
Stefan Diggs
Jacobi Myers
will end it there
It's not bad
O'Dunesay Cup
Debo Samuel
Terry McClurent's holding out right now people
Stefan Diggs and Jacoby Myers
Dave it's not a bad round
Not a bad round round eight
Nope
It's definitely filled with a bunch of wide receivers
that you can see the upside four
and the price tag is good and cheap.
I don't know if I,
there's not a single one that you named
that I would say,
eh,
too soon.
Not one.
How much longer until Almeca Booka is in this group?
He's there for me.
Yeah.
He is for me too.
I meant an ADV, but yeah.
Really?
I still feel like that's a little rich because.
Well,
he's not,
I mean,
he's in round eight for me.
He's not,
I've got Cup and Debo higher than this.
But he's right there with digs.
I think in terms of,
of Odunze, for example, like you're banking on expectation. You're not banking on certainty.
And to me, that's a bucca. Same thing. Like, you're hoping that they have a prominent role in this
offense. You're hoping that their draft capital shines through. You're hoping that whatever changes
may be happening for the Bears, it's a coaching change in offensive line and better quarterback. For the
bucks, it's maybe an injury to arguably their best receiver. So, like, I'm not, I'm not drafting either one
to be a starter if I don't have to.
And in the case of the buck's offense
versus the bear's offense,
O'Donzee, I hope will be better
because of his situation,
but it wouldn't shock me if Abuca's better.
And so at this point, I'd rather bet on him
the longer God won't miss his practice.
This is a group of old school
versus new hotness.
Because O'Donzee, we've never seen it.
We love him. We want to see him break out.
Abuka, obviously a rookie,
hoping for a breakout,
versus a lot of names of guys who have been around a long time
and have been great for fantasy before,
but there's issues at play on top of age
that kind of keep us from being really excited about any of them.
Yeah.
So officially, who's your favorite in this group?
O'Donzee Cup, Debo, Diggs, Myers.
I still have a receiver you haven't named yet who's, I like better than all these guys.
It's got to be Pearsall, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Where the hell is Ricky Pearsall?
Yeah, Pierceall just continues to rise for me.
Absolutely.
I worry a little bit about him getting like too steamed up because it is a 49ers receiver.
The same thing that I talked about was say Flowers can certainly apply to Ricky Pearsall.
But man, what a great start to the season he could have.
If Jennings is sidelined and he's clearly the number one, 49ers have a great schedule all year long.
Like he could really, I said before, I don't think he could be a breakout.
I might eat those words.
I might think.
Oh,
Pierce is definitely a breakup.
Yeah,
I just,
I don't know.
Can he finish as like a top 15 fantasy wide receiver?
I don't think he has to,
especially the fact like,
no,
no,
I agree.
Right,
but like,
I don't know if he has his best year ever.
I think he has a good year with a chance to be even better than that in
2026.
I always like to be ahead of those players.
Best year ever is not a big ass.
Well,
yeah,
I'm talking about like even after this year.
Well,
I would hope that he continues to get better.
but I think the situation may be the best that he's ever going to face because the guy that is being paid the most is most likely going to start the season on the pub if not not be ready for the early part of the season and then you have the other guy who wants to get paid dealing with the calf injury most likely or could just be a hold in but in any event not ready to go and so while the targets may not be what you love the opportunity is fantastic okay all right let's I guess move on then a little further down
To answer the question, Roma Dunezay is my favorite.
Yeah.
Do you guys like O'Donzee or Pearsall?
Pearsall.
And I'll take Diggs over Adunzee, too.
Diggs didn't practice much with the first team offense,
but every time he was on the field, he was targeted.
He looks like he never had an ACL injury.
It's really incredible.
I just doubt, it's not personal to you.
I just, I doubt the media's ability to truly,
assess that or anyone's ability to truly assess that until the games start because it's
what are you talking about assessing uh if a player is fully back well he can't be fully back
if he's not a full-time player in practice i think just by that notion you could say that they're
kind of you know taking it slow with him and he's 32 years old coming off of the torn ACL
i get it but that's why we're not drafting him in round six sure can i that's why this round
a range is just amazing just to finish off the round eight range can i give the uh
Cooper Cup pace through
week 14 last year.
Yeah, everybody get ready to pick your job.
And again, he only played nine in the first 14 games,
but through week 14, he was on pace.
17 game pace of 171 targets, 119 receptions,
1241 yards, and 11 touchdowns.
Might have been better if he'd just gotten hurt that week
and missed the last three games,
and his value would probably be higher right now.
But he played the last three games,
only got three targets in each game.
And so maybe, maybe that December 9th, he hit the cliff and went over it.
Or maybe he's a great value.
I think everybody is avoiding him because he got hurt a bunch, not just last year,
been in the years prior, and he's on a different team with a different quarterback.
I think the question will be is, why did he still play as much and not get opportunities?
they ran the ball a lot
they were they were super run heavy
they for some reason just stopped throwing the ball
to anyone other than Pooka Nakua
it's just weird to me
no it's it's it's very weird
but I think like comparing him to Diggs
who just played six games
and then tore the ACL and didn't play at all
there seems to be more optimism about Diggs
and I think Cups 100% right now
I think the the thing with Diggs
Debo and Cup
you have three guys on different teams you have three guys coming off of questionable situations whether it's performance or injury and you can make the case for and against for all of them i think if there was everybody all in on all three of these guys to whatever degree like keith you're obviously all in for the most part on cup and debo clearly clearly clearly clearly clearly clearly clearly clearly clearly clearly clearly clearly clearly clearly clearly clearly clear to deal with they're being drafted david's a little bit more positive on digs um i haven't ranked in a similar range but i'm going to adjust a few things but in any event like you could see it all going bad clearly for all three these guys like yeah digs
your point, Adam. Like, we don't know how healthy he actually is. And typically when you see guys
come back sooner than expected, something else tends to pop up. Hamstring becomes a problem.
Ankle becomes a problem. Like, they compensate for things to make sure that they're, you know,
working out their ailment. And then we see these, you know, other things become an issue. I hope
that's not the case for digs. But how much will he have success playing on the outside? Last year,
he was a predominantly slot receiver for the Texans. And will he be that for the Patriots?
It doesn't seem that way. So will that, will that be a,
benefit to him. And then in the case of, you know, Debo, I mean, look, the hold in, hold out track record the last two years has not been good for those guys. A lot of it has been injury related. If McCorn misses any time, like Debo could be the number one guy there, but he also may not be the same guy that he was in years past. And obviously Cup, as we just sort of alluded to when we were talking about JSN, like does he even have the ability to stay on the field? And then will he get enough opportunities based on switching teams from where he was in Los Angeles to Seattle? All right. Next up,
We go to round nine, and we've got Khalil Shakir, Joanne Jennings, Matthew Golden, Ricky Pearsall.
That's one I'm getting really excited about it, too.
Golden?
Golden.
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah, man.
Pearsall or Golden, who do you like better?
They're going to be back to back by the end of the day ahead of all the old guys for me.
So it'll be Pierceall's like Rob Receiver, 34, 35 in that range, and Golden's right there as well.
I've got Pearsall 38, Golden, 39, both at the end of round seven.
So does this mean we're out on Jaden Reed?
Yeah.
Yeah.
What round?
He's going in round 10.
Out.
Johnnings?
What round for John Jennings?
Same.
10.
Yeah, 1011.
I've got him in nine.
We'll see if there's any more players.
But I think when you look at Pearsall and Golden here,
And we shouldn't discount Jennings.
He's been really good, too.
I just know he's injured right now.
Maybe people look at those guys in round nine or ten and say,
this is my last chance to get a guy that could really just have this Ladd-McConkie-esque season.
I mean, I'm not going to say it's going to be that good, but really must-start territory.
And, you know, a lot of guys that have become must-starts, they're not obvious to us.
They just happen.
But you could see the reasoning behind it.
And we're still, we're 45 wide receivers deep when we're staying that.
So that's pretty cool.
All right, let's scroll down and see who's after Jaden Reed.
Jaden Reed's wide receiver 46.
Let's keep going down the list here to rounds 11 and later.
We've got Brandon Ayuk, who's unlikely to be ready for week one.
We've got a mecca.
You're drafted because you know his name.
Well, I think at this point, you'd love for Iyuk to go on Pup, right?
You get them, you put them on Pup, you get the roster spot back.
It's not a bad thing.
Yeah, but I don't want a player like that now.
I want a player like that around her.
three from now.
Okay.
Abuka, obviously,
should not be
an 11th round pick.
Keon Coleman.
You know, excited.
Did you just get Myers and Shakir?
No, they were backed up.
We didn't really talk about them,
but Myers and Shakir should be what for your team?
Myers, I think, is in that
wide receiver three range.
Yep.
I've got him as a mid-wide receiver three.
I think I'm not going on him,
but Shakir's, I'm,
feels like Myers with an injury currently and probably worse.
Jacoby Myers has been a top 30 wide receiver per game in half and full PPR,
three straight seasons.
It's never been higher than I want to say 22,
but that's pretty impressive.
He's going as something like wide receiver 40.
Let's see.
So I, Iuk Abuka, Kian Coleman, Josh Downs, Michael Pittman, Darnel Mooney.
Definitely some names in here that Jamie likes.
I know Abuka everybody likes,
but Keon Coleman and Darnel Mooney are going to be on a lot of your teams, right?
Yeah, I think the value for Coleman's great, you know, just looking at what he can be, especially with Shakir dealing with the ankle injury.
It's similar, again, to what I said about Odunze and Abuka.
You know, you're banking on expectation more so than production, but I still just can't get past those two games that he had last year before the wrist injury.
It seems like things were starting to click, and then he suffers the wrist injury against the dolphins, and he was just never the same guy.
And so you look at this offseason and what they've done, they bring in Josh Palmer as a 30-year-old journeyman.
They bring in Elijah Moore, the journeyman.
You know, these guys, I think, will fill roles for them,
but they don't have the upside that Keon Coleman has.
And so he's got a long way to go to be, I think, a fantasy starter,
a long way to go to even be somebody you want to say as one of your top reserves.
But if you're talking about a fifth receiver,
if you're talking about the value of where he is right now,
and again, Shakir dealing with an ankle sprain,
like there's an easy path to success for him being tied to one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.
And so they changed last year, the philosophy changed.
they don't really need to have an alpha receiver.
But I think this is the guy they want to be in that role.
Like, I think Shakir is more of a complimentary guy as opposed to a lead guy.
Like, this could be a lead guy.
I don't know to what extent.
I don't think he's going to be a Brian Thomas,
a league neighbor's,
you know, a young receiver who can step up and elevate a passing game.
But he can certainly be a Jameson Williams type of guy.
He doesn't need a lot of targets, can make a lot of plays, you know,
different ways of doing it.
But, you know, still somebody that can be, I think,
in that borderline wide receiver to range if everything goes right.
But again, just almost a free pick in this point of the draft.
Could he be 2024 George Pickens?
Yeah.
I mean, it's going to be touchdowns.
I don't think it's going to be anything that's going to, all of a sudden,
you're saying, wow, I can't believe Keanu on 100 catches.
Like, I don't think that's in his, no chance.
In his resume, his resume, but, you know, like, he could be a 70-catch, you know,
1,000-yard, 6-7 touchdown guy, sure.
Is anybody drafting a Colts wide receiver
because Downs and Pittman are both around
wide receiver 50?
What round?
11?
12, 11, yeah.
Fallback at best, yeah.
Yeah, Downs is great for the bench in full PPR.
Yeah.
Okay.
I like Downs much more than Pittman.
Then we get...
I'll just continue to say,
I know darn on Mooney's hurt right now,
which is clearly hard to justify
drafting him with any level of excitement,
but they're going to throw the ball a lot.
He's going to be on the field a lot.
He was really good last year in a lot of ways.
And one really good game with Michael Pennix got hurt in the second one,
didn't play in the third one.
To me, he's another free space at this point.
The more he falls, the more excited I get about it.
Yeah, you got to take advantage of that preseason injury
because you don't have to start him.
You're taking him his wide receiver 50.
You don't have to start him right away.
Okay, Jaden Higgins.
We now get to some rookies here.
Jaden Higgins, Trey Harris,
got Rashid, Marvin Mims,
Luther Burden.
So in this group of five wide receivers,
there are three rookies.
Jaden Higgins,
Trey Harris, Rashid,
Marvin Mims, Luther Burden.
Heath,
do you find yourself drafting
any of these guys a lot?
I draft Burton and
Shaheed semi-regularly.
I've drafted Higgins
once or twice,
but later than this.
Are we pretty much
out on Trey Harris
now that they sign Keenan Allen?
I am.
Yeah.
Okay.
How many rounds are we drafting?
Yeah, I don't know.
Let's get another round in there.
Like an 18 or 19 round draft, then of course, Trey will make an appearance, but yeah, I think
the last out of ditched crushed every receiver in L.A. except for McCawkey.
Look at those last four picks on the list.
I want all four of those guys.
Wide receiver or just?
Bachel Toon, Trey Benson, Luther Burden, and Jerome Ford.
They're going after six kickers.
Please give me them all day long.
I'll take fair bear.
No, just kidding.
All right, let's scroll down to the next group.
I think burden to me, is.
Oh, okay, Heath, wait, Heath.
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We got wide receiver 58.
I think he is the easiest pick of anybody we've discussed so far.
Like, he is, as of now, the slot receiver for the Bears.
And if that's the case, oh, my God, could be absolutely ridiculously amazing.
Yeah, and it's cheap.
Marquis Brown
Jack Bech
Christian Kirk
That's your guy
Yeah it is my guy
Wide receiver 60
I think that's a great
I see a good
Yes
Markis Brown Jack Bash
But it's a bench receiver
I don't think
Christian Kirk's going to have a year
Where we go
Oh you got to start Christian Kirk
You know what
I think it's
Fairly realistic to say
He's going to have a season
That's like Jacoby Myers
Or Khalil Shakir
You want to know how that happens
Joe Mixon never plays like Joe
Mixon.
They can't run the football
and they need to change up to the wrong game.
You know,
D'emico Ryan's when I asked him at the owner's meetings,
you know, where do you see Christian Kirk?
And he said the word slot about 20 times
in a two-minute answer.
Of course.
So playing in that role, I think, is fantastic for him.
He's got to stay healthy.
If he stays healthy, I think he could push for 14 points per game.
He did that once his first year in Jacksonville.
But how much will,
Higgins and Jalen Noel, yeah, Jalen Noel, um, noel, no, excuse me, um, be impactful for
this offense.
I, to me, it was a great landing spot for him because, you know, clear path to targets.
So it's, it's a easy selection here just to take him.
And I think to your point, Adam, like, Khalil Shakir, I think Jacobi Meyer's ceiling is a little
bit higher just based on what their resumes have been.
And still being most likely the number one receiver, forget about number one target getter,
because we know that's Brock Bowers, but the number one receiver there for the Raiders.
But the Shakir comparison is great.
Like the difference between those two guys may not be even in Shakir's favor at this point.
Like, you know, you're talking about 12 and a half, maybe 13 PPR points per game.
That should be something that Kirk can do very easily.
Christian Kirk was misused last year.
He struggled last year.
His A dot was way too high.
He also didn't play a normal snapshot in a lot of the games.
So like his snapshot was the lowest.
It's been in Jacksonville, 70% for the season.
his per-out data pretty similar,
but a 13.7-yard Addot for Christian Kirk.
That is ridiculous.
So look at the way they used Stefan Diggs last year.
He was terrific.
Kirk's not going to be that good.
But he's wide receiver 60.
He's a great pick.
Rashad Bateman, Adam Thielen,
one more page of wide receivers,
and we'll end the show.
Xavier Legate.
So we got a couple of Panthers there.
Kyle Williams.
It just hasn't been playing with the ones enough.
He hasn't.
It's Mario Douglas.
Oh, you've been there.
You were there.
What did you say?
What did you say?
Mario Douglas and Kishon Booty have worked with the first team offense the most.
I would imagine that when they open week one against Las Vegas, it'll be those two guys along with Diggs when they go to three receiver sets.
Douglas is the slot receiver.
Think about the past slot receivers that Josh McDaniels has had and how productive they've been.
And Drake may absolutely attack the middle of the.
field against Washington and Washington has some good linebackers there so Douglas absolutely in play
is one of these late round picks booty hasn't really hit the radar yet maybe if you're in like a
mega deep league you could tap on booty's name um but i don't see Kyle Williams being helpful
well what's so funny oh nothing Dave nothing oh okay you got another guy here I know Adam this is one
of your wait a second was that on purpose or no what what was what on purpose okay I can't
never know with David if it's stick or not there's there's three guys in this range that to me are
easy selections uh one you've been very i think bullish on drafting at him is romeo dobbs seemingly
playing a lot for the packers more so than jaden reid at this point and a guy that jordan love
has continued to lean on you know so i don't think dobbs is is uh worth overlooking especially
this late wandole robinson is going to be still a prime target for the giants and we'll see how
that goes um again cedric tullman to me is so easy to draft here
So.
All right, Dave.
Good job.
Dave.
You got everybody in the chat making booty jokes now.
Way to go.
What do you mean?
Why?
Because his last name is booty?
Come on, people.
Grow up.
Grow up.
All right.
We'll finish at a fantasy football show, not some weird locker room.
We'll finish at Romeo Dobbs, wide receiver 69.
So, good.
Oh, Romeo.
Ha, ha, ha.
It's a chap blowing up about that.
All right.
Thanks so much for watching and listening to everybody.
we've got sleepers breakouts and busts next week.
If you haven't heard the mailbag, it was a lot of fun.
So you'll hear that tomorrow.
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