Fantasy Football Today - Worryometer, Thanksgiving Start or Sit, Fantasy Cops! (11/22 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: November 22, 2023

Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and wherever else you listen to podcasts Which players on our Fantasy rosters are we ...most thankful for? We start with some Thanksgiving cheer and then get into the news and notes (3:00), our ideal Thanksgiving meal (8:15) and the Worryometer (11:15)! How concerned are we about Joe Mixon, Tee Higgins, Garrett Wilson, Travis Etienne, Davante Adams and others? ... Start or Sit for Packers-Lions (27:30), Commanders-Cowboys (40:40) and 49ers-Seahawks (51:15). We discuss A.J. Dillon, Zach Charbonnet, Jordan Love, Terry McLaurin, Tony Pollard and many more ... The Fantasy Cops (1:00:30) are here to settle your league disputes! ... Email us at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Get 20% off Fantasy Football Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-football-today%20?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-football-collection Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:33 This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports. What a play! Can you believe this? No, I can't. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. This is going to go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath. Thanksgiving Eve.
Starting point is 00:01:56 What a time to be worried. It's Worry-O-Meter Wednesday here as we get ready for Thanksgiving. I am worried about the pre-cooked turkey that we are getting and the best way to reheat it for dinner tomorrow night. But Heath will have plenty of time to talk about food. Jamie will be joining us very shortly here. What are you thankful for, Heath? I know you're not going to—we're going to do a show tonight, late tonight.
Starting point is 00:02:16 It's going to be me and Jamie for Thursday. So Heath won't be on that. So you can tell us, Heath, what are you thankful for? Well, in a fantasy football sense, I'm very thankful for Tank Dell. He's been fantastic. The Houston Texans in general, CJ Stroud, Nico Collins. We had that Noah Brown couple of weeks. Now Devin Singletary has become a thing.
Starting point is 00:02:35 Dalton Schultz is a must start tight end. That was a team that we thought could be one of the worst offenses in the NFL this season. And they have been anything but. And Dell was my most drafted rookie in rookie drafts this year. And so that feels pretty fantastic. I missed out completely on Puka Nakua, didn't draft him once, but I have a whole bunch of take Dell and I'm very, very thankful. That is great. I don't have a single Texan passing game member on any roster. I just realized now that with, so not very thankful for that. He's I have roster, I just realized. So not very thankful for that, Heath. I have a Devon Singletary.
Starting point is 00:03:08 Two teams at Singletary, so that's whatever. But I'm thankful I didn't draft Damian Pierce, I'll tell you that. Jamie is in the house. Happy Thanksgiving Eve, Jamie. Happy Thanksgiving Eve. What are you thankful for from a fantasy standpoint?
Starting point is 00:03:23 As you look at your rosters, what are you thankful for? Josh Dob standpoint? Look at your rosters. What are you thankful for? Josh Dobbs. Josh Dobbs. Yes. Things we thought we'd be saying in week 12. The hero of my fantasy season. I go for a hero today, by the way.
Starting point is 00:03:37 Let's see. I have like a lot of, I got like a blank slate for lunch. Got nothing in the house. We'll see what it's going to be. I'm thankful for, I have been thankful for Travis Etienne, one of my more drafted players. Let's see, can he come through?
Starting point is 00:03:51 He's on the Worryometer today. All right, news and notes for you. We're going to preview all three Thanksgiving games, by the way. Looking forward to, oh my God, Heath, what's your updated Zach Charbonnet ranking? Are you still super high on him? Because that was one of the biggest. He's top 20.
Starting point is 00:04:06 I've not updated my rankings. I will this afternoon or this evening. Okay, because I thought he was top 10 for you or something. He might. Like I said, that would be top 20. Okay, because that's a rankings dispute that we definitely have to get into here. Dave and Jamie.
Starting point is 00:04:23 A little bit more hesitant on Zach Charbonnet. Ken Walker and DK Metcalf mispractice. DK Metcalf always misses practice, but I think now it's a toe injury. And Geno Smith was limited, but he said he's still feeling pain. Ken Walker's not going to play. I feel safe saying that. Metcalf, hopefully he plays. He usually does.
Starting point is 00:04:42 But are we starting? Well, I guess we'll get into that. But just a two-second answer here. Are we starting any Seahawks receivers confidently in this game? Just Metcalf. But barely.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Yeah, I think like a three-wide receiver league, I'm starting Metcalf and Lockett. Yes, I agree. Well, Heath, in our 10-team league, we're starting both of them, I think. I don't know. I think I'd maybe like to get away from that. Rico Dowdle mispracticed. Antonio Gibson was listed as limited for the second straight day.
Starting point is 00:05:17 Luke Musgrave hospitalized with an abdomen injury, so he's out. Might have to go on IR. Thankfully, he's out of the hospital now, I believe, and doing better. But it said it was a scary situation, Dwayne Bay said, for Luke Musgrave. Aaron Jones sprained MCL. Jaden Reed was limited. Dontavian Wicks missed practice. So they're at Detroit on Thursday.
Starting point is 00:05:37 Denver safety Kareem Jackson. His four-game suspension was upheld. He will miss Cleveland, Houston, like Cleveland, whatever. Then look at the passing games he's going to miss after that. Kareem Jackson for Denver, Houston, Chargers, Detroit all on the road. Denver has been so good against the pass. Even the two games that he missed, they were
Starting point is 00:05:56 very good against the pass. One of them, Patrick Mahomes had the flu. The other was against the Bills. Michael Thomas is on IR. Still plenty of time to pick up Rashid Shahid and in deeper leagues, A.T. Perry. Running back Savan Ahmed for the Dolphins. He is out for the season. Still time to pick up Jeff Wilson.
Starting point is 00:06:12 You guys have any thoughts on whether or not Devon Achan is going to play this week, Friday? I don't think we know. I don't know if Mike B. Tangle knows based on what he said. At this point, I would anticipate, even if he plays, not starting him in your fantasy team. Aw, sad. The Rams waived Daryl Henderson.
Starting point is 00:06:34 Royce Freeman is 26% rostered if you want to pick him up. That was weird. Well, yeah, it was. Does that make you think that Kyron's going to be their passing downs back? Oh, I think that was going to be the case even if Henderson stayed on the roster. But I wonder if it means that Ronnie Rivers is coming back too. Because, like, why would you move on from, you know, what's been your depth? Unless, of course, they want to give maybe Zach Evans a chance to play a little bit more as a third guy.
Starting point is 00:07:03 But, yeah, it was a little surprising that they just outright waived him. Do you guys have the holiday spirit right now? Are you feeling it? Yeah. No. Very thankful. Me either.
Starting point is 00:07:15 Well, no, I'm thankful. But I'm not, you know. That is the holiday spirit. But you know the mood that you're in. It's like, oh yeah, holiday, fun, family, relaxing. I don't think, we're not going to be relaxing. Well, we don't, how long have you worked in it's like oh yeah holiday fun family relaxing i don't think we're not gonna be relaxed well we don't how long have you worked in this this job the last part we're not going to be doing but there should be fun and family at the very least i don't know you know that like right now we should be having that feeling that we get on friday afternoon when we're about to start our
Starting point is 00:07:41 weekend but i don't know if anyone's feeling that. I'm certainly not. Again, how long have you done this job? I know. I don't know what you're talking about, really. Thanksgiving is, yeah, it's not exactly. It's not so fun. The thing that's great and frustrating about this job, obviously the great part is, you know,
Starting point is 00:08:00 we get to talk football all the time. The frustrating part is like this time of year, and like this week in particular, is when people are making travel plans or, uh, as you said, you know, weekend plans on Wednesday, you know, it's like, um, yeah, no, that's not, that's not what I thought you were going to say. I thought you were going to say the frustrating part is this week when we've got a condensed work week and the kids are home from school. Yeah. The house is a little bit busier than it normally is this week. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:33 Thankfully, my kids are in school. Josh Downs, he has this knee injury, and according to Nate Atkins of the Indianapolis Star, it's been going on since OTAs. So I hope he's healthy coming off the bye week, but it's a lingering knee issue for Josh Downs. They get Tampa Bay this week.
Starting point is 00:08:51 We want to definitely start people against Tampa Bay. The Colts released Shaq Leonard. Once upon a time, the arguably best linebacker in football. And Jets left tackle Mekhi Becton is out one to two weeks with an ankle injury. And you can follow all of the action this weekend and on Thursday and on Friday on the CBS Sports app.
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Starting point is 00:09:34 iPhone, on Android, whatever you're using. It's the easiest way to keep your finger on the pulse of every game that matters. Before we get into the Worry-O-Meter, make a Thanksgiving meal. You have to give me two appetizers, one main course, and one dessert. What are we having? Turkey, mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, and apple pie. Turkey, mashed potatoes, turkey, mashed potatoes. Just need a big old plate, half of it turkey, half of it mashed potatoes.
Starting point is 00:10:10 All right, how about like, what if you had to actually follow the rules? Because you can, you know, you can have more good things. My wife makes a delicious cranberry sauce. So I will, like an all natural, delicious cranberry sauce. I do. Like an all-natural, real cranberry sauce. So I'll go with that next to the turkey and mashed potatoes. Okay. And then, I don't know. I like all the pies, especially the Thanksgiving pies.
Starting point is 00:10:37 Pumpkin pie is fantastic. Pecan pie is delicious. So I'll take pumpkin. It's Thanksgiving. Yeah, I should have gotten pumpkin too. That's a good call. Pumpkin pie? Okay, fine.
Starting point is 00:10:47 Pumpkin pie. But is cranberry sauce a side? Isn't that kind of like calling gravy a side? No. No. You eat cranberry sauce just by itself? You don't put it on things? Well, the way she makes it, yes.
Starting point is 00:11:01 Okay. Same. Yeah, well, I've never really had. It hasn't been a... Is yours in the shape of a can sitting on the... No, it's just... We never really... Just shake it out?
Starting point is 00:11:13 We never really had cranberry sauce. I don't... Maybe we did. It was never really a big part of our Thanksgiving. And again, it hasn't been up here in New York either. So I'm pretty much out on cranberry sauce. All right. For me, it's going to be a ham, obviously.
Starting point is 00:11:29 Got to have the corn souffle. Corn souffle is there you can call me. Big thing for me. I really like the green bean casserole. Going with that. Wow. You know, a good green bean casserole my you know who's not in the holiday spirit anybody who's listening to thanksgiving right here no but my wife makes it it's so good it's
Starting point is 00:11:52 got mushrooms in it it's got cheese in it like there's nothing healthy about it at all it's not like a healthy dish here it's it's loaded with good stuff um But the mashed potatoes are really good. Mushrooms are healthy. Yeah, but it's not just eating green beans. It's got a lot of good stuff in there. And how about like an Oreo pie? Can we do that? Okay, sure. We're going to have to have a pie.
Starting point is 00:12:22 It's the closest thing you said to something delicious. Can we? What holiday are you eating these things all together for? Okay. Sure. We're going to have to have a pie. The closest thing you said to something delicious. What holiday are you eating these things all together for? Tomorrow. I don't know about the dessert, but the other stuff. It's like the Pilgrims planned it. Yeah, exactly. All right. It's Worryometer Wednesday.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Don't be worried about me. I'll be fine. Michael C. is worried about Joe Mixon and Garrett Wilson. Zero to ten on the Worryometer for Joe Mixon. Let Wilson. Zero to ten on the Worry-O-Meter for Joe Mixon. Let's start with him. He's barely in my top 24 this week. I'm nervous. Yeah, I guess I'm trying to do this
Starting point is 00:12:56 relative to what he's been so far. So like a five and a half or a six? Yeah. I gave this stat when the news broke about Joe Burrow, but he scored one touchdown in the first six games of the season before the buy. That was with Joe Burrow, just not really being that good,
Starting point is 00:13:13 right. Dealing with the injury. And he scored four since then. So I think you could call it coincidence, but I think you could call it clearly a better Joe Burrow was just better for everyone. So yeah, it's we're better for everyone. So, yeah, we're worried, for sure.
Starting point is 00:13:27 How about Garrett Wilson? 0-10 on the Worryometer coming off a bad game after four straight really productive games. Again, nervous. I just don't know how much worse Tim Boyle is than Zach Wilson. Is he going from, oh, this was at least somewhat safe. And, you know, you feel confident to this is somewhat safe and feel confident.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Like, I don't know what the drop off is. It's probably a drop off, but how significant that I don't think really anything changes, to be honest. Yeah. Five. Okay. Ashley Cooper has Stefan Diggs. changes to be honest um yeah five okay ashley cooper has stefan diggs on the worryometer should i look to trade him before the deadline for a player or players who are past their buy already that is the thing he does have a buy next week but what's your worryometer on stefan diggs zero this week yep philadelphia rest of the season for me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:27 He does have Kansas City and Dallas after the bye. Kansas City just keeps shutting down number ones. But, all right, not concerned. We're seeing, what we're seeing from Diggs is much lower route depth, much lower ADOT.
Starting point is 00:14:39 Josh Allen not throwing the ball downfield as much. And, but we're also seeing him facing the Broncos and the Jets the last two weeks. And those are very tough matchups. All right. From Horse Racing Community, Worryometer on Adam Azer's Thanksgiving dinner ham. I wish I were having ham.
Starting point is 00:14:57 It's just so superior. So you're not having a ham at all? No, no. So Jamie, he has a pre-cooked turkey being delivered today. No, we're picking it up. Okay, picking it up. And then he's going to reheat it tomorrow, and he's not figured out how. So Jamie needed the context for what the Worry-O-Meter is.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Gotcha. Yeah, it's not up to me to figure out how. How would you reheat it? Are you hosting? Yeah. How many people? Four other people. Very small.
Starting point is 00:15:32 Four other people? So four other people are going to be eating at McDonald's tomorrow? The sides are going to be great. That's one thing I'm very confident in. But Heath, you take home a pre-cooked turkey. What's your reheat method? It would be in the oven. For what?
Starting point is 00:15:48 On what, like 250? I don't want to cook it. That sounds about right, yeah. Probably put a little bit of water in the pan with it. That's way too complicated for me. All right, let's go to our next one. Why does it fit in the microwave? From B-Darts.
Starting point is 00:16:07 Worryometer on the obligation to start Patrick Mahomes when in reality he has limited upside. Shots fired! Worryometer on Mahomes. Zero? I mean, is the
Starting point is 00:16:23 Worryometer supposed to be like, I'm benching this person. I mean, if I told you he was the number eight quarterback per game in four point and number six and six point, you know, it doesn't make him a, it doesn't make him a, a zero on the worryometer.
Starting point is 00:16:37 It might make him like a four. I mean, I guess, look, if you want to, you know, trust the hot hand of Brock Purdy or, you know, Josh Dobbs or Justin Fields or one of those guys that are either coming off big games or have the chance for big games, I guess you can make that move.
Starting point is 00:16:54 But if you're going to do that, then just trade Mahomes. Why would you not start him? It just doesn't make any sense to me. So I think, has he been a disappointment? And you could say a bust, yes, because he's not delivering on the expectations. But to say that you're not starting him because he's the sixth best quarterback, like that's ridiculous. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:17:13 I think it's, he should be on the disappointment meter, not the worryometer. Like we're not, no, and you can't say he doesn't have upside. Like Marquez Valdez Scantling catches that pass at least 35% of the time. And if he does, it's like a 28-point day for Mahomes last week. I would have loved to see your reaction for that five seconds. Like when the ball leaves his hand, do you see him wide open? Yeah. It was, again, I don't get too worked up,
Starting point is 00:17:45 although I did get a little irritated over the next 24 hours just thinking about the Chiefs' choices of wide receivers and the people, like who they could have had instead of Sky Moore and who they could have had instead of Rishi Rice and who they could have had instead of Kadarius Toney and who they could have spent $30 million on instead of MBS. Like, I'm a little irritable about that. Mahomes, by the way, is on pace for 503
Starting point is 00:18:06 rushing yards. He just hasn't scored a rushing touchdown yet, which is weird considering how much he's been running. So, yeah, I do get that whole thing about the obligation to start Mahomes. I mean, you could easily make a case for Dobbs over Mahomes this week. But you would have had to make
Starting point is 00:18:21 a roster move at some point to pick up another quarterback. And really, aside from the bye week. So move at some point to pick up another quarterback. And really, aside from the bye week. So let's just say you picked up Dobbs. Would you start Dobbs this week? Two weeks ago. I wouldn't. But yeah, I mean, I know he's playing the Bears, but Mahomes is at Vegas.
Starting point is 00:18:41 Vegas has been a lot better. It could be 40 points. It surprised nobody. For 40 points from a homes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, let me just tell you the three quarterbacks who have had good games against Raiders. Josh Allen had 28 points,
Starting point is 00:18:54 Herbert 24 to a 21. Jordan love scored four points. Jared golf scored 14 points. You know, they haven't actually had that bad of a pass defense. All right, anyway, Scott is worried about Jalen Waddell. Zero to 10 on the Worry-O-Meter for Waddell. Seven.
Starting point is 00:19:14 Worried for this week, not necessarily worried long-term, but worried. I'm worried for this week and for the fantasy playoffs. Right. This week and the three fantasy playoff weeks for Waddell are all bottom five matchups. Jets twice, Dallas and Baltimore. In between that, you've got Washington, which is 30th against receivers,
Starting point is 00:19:34 and Tennessee, which is 27th. I can't really figure out what's going on with Jalen Waddell. He's just not making the big plays. But at this point, he has three games this year with 12 point with more than 12.4 ppr fantasy points at this point last year he had six he just had like a ton of big games and that was with two of missing some time last year i just it's just well he didn't have a lot of big games when two it wasn't there. Correct. What I'm saying is he had the big games last year, even though Tua missed some time. So he was just so much better last year
Starting point is 00:20:10 than he was this year. I think it's a couple things. One, it's that he's left or been limited in two or three different games this season. Two, he led the NFL at 18.1 yards per reception and averaged 11.6 yards per target last year. We knew there was a little bit of regression coming. We didn't know between that and the rookie year
Starting point is 00:20:33 where he was less than 10 yards per catch where he was going to settle. But he wasn't going to do what he did last year. I also think just in terms of the schedule coming up, they have been better at home than on the road. And so that's something I think you got to hope that really for Tua, because if Tua is going to play well, then you got to hope that it's going to lead it, lead into both Waddle and Tyreek playing well.
Starting point is 00:20:54 Plus Tyreek's having a record breaking historical season. That's taking away from Waddle too. Yep. All right. This is from Ryan. Worryometer on starting Devanteae Adams against the Chiefs. They just shut down A.J. Brown, Tyreek Hill, and Keenan Allen in the last month. Yeah, he's outside my top 24, too.
Starting point is 00:21:11 You know, just another week of being concerned. And look, you got the touchdown last week. The targets have definitely been there for him. Those things are, you know, he's definitely bounced back a little bit after what was, you know, an awful stretch. But this could be ugly. It really could be, you know, what was, you know, an awful stretch, but this could be ugly. It really could be, you know,
Starting point is 00:21:27 against what, you know, this chiefs defense and, and certainly their number one cornerback has been, he's currently just inside. I've got him just ahead of waddle. Um, but yeah,
Starting point is 00:21:38 it's, I'd put him at a seven as well on the worryometer. That's specifically for this week for Adams, right? Yeah. Yes, but they also have a buy, too, coming up. This is from Live...
Starting point is 00:21:51 What? Live Evil Pod. T. Higgins Worry-O-Meter. Is he even a roster-worthy player over Beckham, Reid, or Sutton? I would venture to guess that you see T. Higgins on your waiver wire, you're picking him up. So if you're dropping him,
Starting point is 00:22:09 he's going to be added and still may make an impact for somebody else. We just don't know that Jake Browning is going to be a complete disaster or is he going to at least keep those guys afloat? And you can point to various backup quarterbacks that have been disastrous for their receivers. If you want to hang your hat on that, I get it.
Starting point is 00:22:25 But unless you're, you know, in desperate need of a starter, so you need a Beckham or you need a Reed, I'm keeping Higgins on my team. I would like to. I do think within the context, if Cortland Sutton's available, like is this a 10-team league? Because I think I'd rather have Cortland Sutton. Oh, I agree with that, yes. This is from Pete Farmer.
Starting point is 00:22:47 Worryometer on Derek Henry. I mean, this is the week, right? This is the week where he's got to take advantage of this matchup, and I think he will. So should you be worried? Absolutely. It's been a disaster. But you've said it time and time again, Adam,
Starting point is 00:23:02 when they've been in favorable game scripts, he's been good and certainly gotten the work. When they've been in terrible game scripts and losing, he's been awful. And if this is a terrible game script, I'd be shocked. So hopefully this is the Derrick Henry week. And if your trade deadline hasn't passed yet and you can still flip him after this week, then I would do so. Yeah. So that's Derrick Henry. In the last two games, he's been terrible. They lost by 14 points at Tampa Bay. They lost by 20 points at Jacksonville. And those two teams, by the way, are both top eight in yards per carry allowed
Starting point is 00:23:33 at running backs, as in they are among the eight best. They actually have very good run defenses. So I think that's something you have to look at. He gets Houston twice in the playoffs. Houston has had, Houston allows the second fewest yards per carry to running backs in the NFL and and they're good you know they're gonna score a lot of points so usually Derrick Henry against Houston is the best matchup for any player against any team in fantasy. He destroys them. But facing them in weeks 15 and 17
Starting point is 00:24:07 might lose you your fantasy league. He might be terrible. I don't know if you guys feel the same way, but it's like bad game script and against a good run defense. Scares me. Top to trust. Like I said, if you can get through this week and
Starting point is 00:24:23 you still have not passed your trade deadline, then trade him. I don't want to say for anything yet, but trade him after this week. But this should be a good week for him. I mean, we said it with Tony Pollard, too. Should be a good week for Pollard. The Panthers just give away fantasy points.
Starting point is 00:24:37 Most touchdowns allowed to position. I don't know if they're still number two, but they're certainly top two in fantasy points allowed to running backs. They're second, yep. So it should be a layup. It really should be. All right. Heath, we'll go to you on this one. OJ Weber, worry-o-meter on Marquise Brown.
Starting point is 00:24:56 Pretty worried. I think it's over a five, like a six or a seven. I was fine with ignoring the first week of no target volume for Marquise Brown. The second week, I'm a little bit more concerned. I still think if you've got a three-wide receiver league and you're starting him, I understand that. But he's not a must-start
Starting point is 00:25:15 player this week. And finally, Worryometer on Travis ETN. A few people wanted this one here. Oh, I've got a lot to say about this. What's your Worryometer on ETN. A few people wanted this one here. Oh, I got a lot to say about this. What's your worry-o-meter on ETN? Zero. Zero.
Starting point is 00:25:30 Okay. Again, who's he facing this week? Houston, Game of the Week. Heath, you might want to lower everyone in the rankings. I already sang the song yesterday. It's the Game of the Week. Sorry. That's disappointing,
Starting point is 00:25:45 but I'm not lowering them in the rankings because of it. I'll just eat it. Okay. And yeah, they are second best in yards per carry allowed at running backs. They've allowed one run of more than 20 yards this year. But what really surprised me is you think of Travis Etienne, super explosive player, and I kind of feel that way, but his advanced metrics are not good.
Starting point is 00:26:06 46 running backs have 60 or more carries. He's 32nd out of 46 in explosive run rate. He's 32nd in yards per carry. He's 36th in success rate. Also, he has only two carries inside the five-yard line all year, but that's because the Jaguars pretty much never get there. But he did get a lot of explosive runs. That's because he was leading the NFL in carries or he was second or something like that. So, and that's kind of, he's averaging 3.9 yards per carry. I just feel like he's had an overrated season
Starting point is 00:26:34 to be quite honest with you. But. I'll take it. Me too, but I just, look, the last two weeks have been really bad game scripts, a blowout loss and a blowout win, and they just haven't needed him. This will be an interesting week. Hope he's back.
Starting point is 00:26:49 I'm going to say I'm a three on the Worryometer. I'm a three. So what, that means, like, you're not considering sitting him at all? Definitely not. But it's one of those things where it's like, I go into a week starting Travis Etienne, and I used to be pumped up and now I'm a little worried about it you know because he has actually been pretty bad in tough matchups
Starting point is 00:27:12 this year if you go through the game log he's had a few of them he's had I think maybe one good game in a tough matchup and his schedule is interesting Cincinnati, I think that's fine. But then Cleveland, Baltimore, Tampa Bay, that sucks. Potentially, that sucks. Honestly, Cleveland and Baltimore haven't been that good against the run. But they still have very good defenses. Tampa Bay is a very tough matchup. Then he finishes with Carolina.
Starting point is 00:27:40 So I see reason to be concerned here. But no, I have no intention of sitting him at this point. All right, let's take a break. Let's preview the Thursday games. When we come back, we'll be right back on Fantasy Football today. Whether in the game or in life, the right coverage
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Starting point is 00:29:01 I like it. I like it. Good. Green Bay at Detroit. Stat of the game. In five games against teams that are top 10 against quarterbacks, Jared Goff scored 33.4 fantasy points against Carolina, but no more than 16 points in the other four games.
Starting point is 00:29:21 The Packers are fifth best against quarterbacks. Are you confident in Jared Goff this week? Jamie Eisenberg. Very much so. I don't really worry about his bad game at home last week. First game this season with multiple turnovers. He had three interceptions in that game. Last
Starting point is 00:29:38 year on Thanksgiving against a good Buffalo defense, 21 fantasy points in his two games as a starter for the Lions on Thanksgiving. He's got four touchdown passes in those two games, no interceptions. So I think he'll be in the 22 to 25 point range, which is kind of where he's lived at home for the majority of the season. And I don't necessarily think this Packers defense, two of the last four quarterbacks that they faced, have gotten, I think, 23 or more points against them.
Starting point is 00:30:07 One was Justin Herbert. The other was Kirk Cousins. In between that, they faced two stinkers. I don't think this defense is going to slow him down. All right, Heath, you do have him, as I see right now, 13th. Jamie's the high guy at eight from the rankings I'm looking at right now. And look, no teams on by. So 13th is pretty good,
Starting point is 00:30:26 but you have confidence in golf. Yeah. He's, he's in that range. Like I, I wrote about this yesterday. I've got Kyler and Trevor Lawrence right behind Jared golf. And I'm not telling people if they have those guys,
Starting point is 00:30:38 they need to sit them. I think a lot of times you look at the rankings and think, well, if he's outside the top 12, he's a sit. That's not the case. I think there's 15 isish starting quarterbacks this week. So I'm perfectly fine if I have Goff with starting him.
Starting point is 00:30:49 I think I might lower the 22 to 25 to 20 to 25, but I think he's in that range. All right, how about Jordan Love? Jordan Love typically does pretty well in good matchups. This is a pretty good matchup. I think it's clear the strength of this Detroit defense is the run defense. They are pretty vulnerable against the pass. How are we feeling about Jordan Love this week? I NQB two who has the same upside as golf. It's just the floor is a lot lower thing. This could go, it could go really bad. The, the um the the the passing game is like it's just can he throw
Starting point is 00:31:27 two touchdown passes they're not going to have a great efficient day they're not going to throw for a whole bunch of yards it's whether he gets that second touchdown pass or runs for one i could see two touchdowns but i could see a few turnovers too you know and that's kind of been his issue last last week was a clean game um but i i still think that you're looking at not a starter that you want to rely on in a one-quarterback league. Now, granted, there's a Joe Burrow manager in every league that's been searching for something. And so whether it was Love on the waiver wire
Starting point is 00:31:55 or you had him for whatever reason as a backup, he's not a bad pivot play. But if you're talking about some guys in the same roster percentage range or lower, I'd rather have Gardner Minshew, and I'd rather have Baker Mayfield. Would you start Love or Trevor Lawrence against Houston? They're in a similar range for me. So Lawrence is 15. I believe Love is 18.
Starting point is 00:32:16 And I would take the upside of Lawrence in that game as opposed to Love in his game. I mean, look, we have not seen love play great without Aaron Jones on the field. Right. Right. Love or, uh, Sam Howell against Dallas.
Starting point is 00:32:31 Howell. Oh, hell yeah. Howell. Yeah. By the way, uh, love on the,
Starting point is 00:32:37 love on the waiver wire sounds like a, a dating app, doesn't it? Like there's something that's just, uh, it's like, uh, we could make that a reality show
Starting point is 00:32:45 for helping fantasy analysts get married. Exactly. Dan Schneier, come on down. All right, so if you have any questions about this game in the chat, please go for it. I saw a Jared Goff or Justin Fields. How about Jared Goff or the two quarterbacks in that Minnesota-Chicago game?
Starting point is 00:33:03 Would you start Dobbs, Goff, Fields? How do you rank them? I currently have Goff ahead. I may drop him behind Dobbs and potentially Fields. They're all back-to-back for me. So there's probably more upside with the two running quarterbacks. I've got a Dobbs, Fields, Goff. All right, let's talk about the difficult call in this game,
Starting point is 00:33:24 and that's A.J. Dillon. So Dillon, in his previous game against Detroit... Say it right, come on. Dillon! At the end of the game, you might be going, you son of a... Dillon, his last game against Detroit, Aaron Jones played 35% of the snaps.
Starting point is 00:33:40 He had five carries for 11 yards. His previous three games without aaron jones had only two targets in those three games but you're hoping maybe jordan love is just going to start throwing those running backs more he's been doing that with jones did that with dylan last week anyway he's starter sid aj dylan against the detroit lions who are fourth best against opposing running backs and allow three and a half yards per carry to running backs. Yeah, my initial, and again, I'll do some rankings updates later today, my initial projections have him pretty close to a must start
Starting point is 00:34:11 as a number two wide receiver in that wide receiver 18 to 20-ish type range. Running back. I do think, running back, 18 to 20 range. I do think, I've got some computer issues happening at the same time, so I'm trying to focus on getting that taken care of, and it's not working. I believe in the past volume that we've seen recently,
Starting point is 00:34:33 two running backs. It seems like, and it's been terrible for the wide receivers because none of them get more than six targets a game, but it's four to six targets for almost everybody. So I think you can count on four targets for Dylan this week. Jamie starter set. I would set him. I mean, this lion's run defense, it's just been fantastic.
Starting point is 00:34:51 So he's going to probably need to score to get you a good stat line. I do agree with Heath that we'll see him involved in the passing game. I wonder what this injury he's dealing with. Is it a short week thing or is it an actual something that's bothering him? And he's been miserable really the majority of time that Aaron Jones missed. He started three games, played four others, but started three games without Aaron Jones
Starting point is 00:35:13 and had one good game and it was against the Raiders where he had a touchdown. You know, 20 carries 76 yards and a touchdown in that game against the Raiders in week five. So I don't want to start him. If anything, you know, I don't want to start him. If anything, you know, I don't want to say desperation flex, but just more of a flex.
Starting point is 00:35:29 In his last five games, he's averaging four yards per carry. There was a 40-yard run in there, which is good. I'm like, you can't just knock him for doing that. But if you take that out, he's averaging 3.3 yards per carry on every other run. And he's still, like, this is really bad.
Starting point is 00:35:40 In his last five games, 22.6% zero or negative run rate. Like, zero yards or negative yards. That's really bad in his last five games, 22.6%, zero or negative run rate, like zero yards or negative yards. That's really bad. So just a lot of empty carries for AJ Dillon. Obviously we're going to start Jameer Gibbs and David Montgomery over him. How do you feel? Like sum up how to,
Starting point is 00:35:58 how do you feel about Gibbs and Montgomery this week against the Packers? Gibbs is my preferred lions running back in both formats, but it's closer in non-PPR. Montgomery certainly has a better opportunity to score if you want to bank on that. But I think what they're doing with Gibbs right now is fantastic. Yeah, I would view in full PPR Gibbs as a top 12 running back. Montgomery is more of a top 18 type guy. And in non-PPR, I would put Montgomery full PPR Gibbs as a top 12 running back. Montgomery is more of a top 18 type guy.
Starting point is 00:36:26 And in non-PPR, I would put Montgomery just ahead of Gibbs, but they're both must-starts in all formats. The Packers may not have linebacker Devondre Campbell, which could hurt their run defense. I've got a question here from the chat. Montgomery, Bijan Robinson, and Tony Pollard in half PPR. Who are you sitting? Pollard.
Starting point is 00:36:49 I'm sitting B. John. Whoa, really? Yeah. Interesting. That Saints defense is good. It's not that I don't like him. I just think these other guys have better matchups.
Starting point is 00:36:57 Okay. How about this one? No. I'm looking for one specific to this game. And Rushman says, I'm playing against Jameer Gibbs. Pray for your Uncle Rushie. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:10 No, I think what Gibbs, three or four games in a row with more than 20 fantasy points or something. He's just not. Four straight games with 21.5 or more fantasy points. How could you sit that? So involved in the passing game. Start him on with St. Brown. I'm assuming we're going to sit the other wide receivers for the Lions.
Starting point is 00:37:28 I mean, Dave talked about stashing Jamison Williams. If you want to do that, that's certainly suitable. But at this point, Josh Reynolds has been a complete disappearing act in every game that, for the most part, that Amonra St. Brown has played since Jamison Williams has come back. And so, yeah, I would get away from them. Like, Josh Reynolds is as droppable a player as you'll find. Here's another one. Raheem Mostert, Detroit running backs, Kyron Williams, sit one.
Starting point is 00:37:53 Kyron. I think it's Kyron. I think in full PPR, I'd probably sit Montgomery. All right. Sam Laporta, how much confidence do you have in him? Heath, you asked me to do some Azar stat. Sam Laporta, how much confidence do you have in him? Heath, you asked me to do some Acer statting for Laporta, what his targets look like when both Gibbs and Montgomery are healthy. I can get into that, but are you starting to downgrade Laporta? Who's moving ahead
Starting point is 00:38:18 of him? Yeah, he's a low-end starter for me. believe the tweet was from jacob sanderson i believe it was five targets exactly for laporta in every game that montgomery and gibbs have both been healthy i have him with six in one of the games five six five and five i wonder if one of the games one of those guys left early maybe but anyway regardless five five six-5 is not the top five tight end that we'd kind of anointed him to be. And so he is not in my top six tight ends. He's behind McBride, Kincaid. I'd rather start David Njoku. I'd rather start Dalton Schultz.
Starting point is 00:38:56 Okay. So let's talk about the Packers wide receivers. And are any of them worth starting? Detroit is 21st against wide receivers, and I don't know. I think this is a favorable matchup. I just don't think they have a very good pass defense. When you look at good quarterbacks, good receivers,
Starting point is 00:39:13 they do very well, I think, against the Packers. Not all the time, but I don't know. Do we want to get anybody in our lineup? I don't think there's anybody you're starting in two receiver leagues, and two receivers and a flex. It's questionable. Three receivers and a flex. You're probably starting.
Starting point is 00:39:28 I would lean toward Reed as the best Dobbs as the second best. And then Watson as I don't want to say distant third, but probably distant third. You know, the thing that Reed has done is, and the thing that I like is especially last week, they're trying to manufacture touches for him. So three carries,
Starting point is 00:39:43 you know, and he scored on a, on a rush that's encouraging. And what he's been able to manufacture touches for him. So three carries, you know, and he scored on a rush. That's encouraging. And what he's been able to do the last basically month. For Dobbs, it's been touchdown dependent. You know, four of the last five games, he scored a touchdown. When he doesn't score, you're going to get maybe at best a five for 50 type of stat line.
Starting point is 00:39:59 So it's not going to be the most encouraging type of production. So I think you have to understand what you're dealing with here. You know, Watson scored last week. I think his first time since week three. He's been pretty consistently under 50 yards receiving. So very tough to trust in terms of what his production has been. So you look at, let's say, two wide receivers that at some point have been must-start guys that we probably don't like that much this week. Well, let me throw three in there.
Starting point is 00:40:23 Would you start Reid and Dobbs over Amari Cooper against Denver? Yes. I've got Cooper ahead of them right now. Would you start them over Devontae Adams against Kansas City? No. Would you start them over Garrett Wilson?
Starting point is 00:40:40 No. Okay. Here's some chat questions. Laporta or Kincaid? Kincaid. I think his ranking was very appropriate, where he put Laporta. Okay.
Starting point is 00:40:53 Jaden Reed or Jalen Waddle? Waddle. Waddle. Not there yet. Jaden Reed, Javante Williams, or Jordan Addison? PPR. Don't love Javante this week, but I'd go Javante. I'm going to go with Jordan Addison.
Starting point is 00:41:12 Last one. Jaden Reed or Marquise Brown? Reed. Reed. All right. We are done with this game, right? I was, you know, unfortunately no Luke Musgrave. Honestly, maybe that helps the wide receivers a little bit, though.
Starting point is 00:41:25 Get you five, six targets or something like that. Maybe that goes to the receivers. But to who? Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's funny. Last week I made I made kind of a case, sort of a supporting case for Reed and Dobbs. I mentioned Reed, you know, slot receivers were very good against the Chargers. I mentioned Dobbs had the most, among the most red zone targets in the NFL
Starting point is 00:41:50 and all of his touchdowns came in the red zone and then he caught a touchdown from outside of the red zone and Reed had a great game because of his rushing touchdown. It was like, oh, well, that worked out, but not for any of the reasons that I thought. Just trust the process. You got there. Yeah, sure. I actually wasn't really saying to start them. Washington at Dallas. Stat of the reasons that I thought. Just trust the process. You got there. Yeah, sure. I actually wasn't really saying to start them.
Starting point is 00:42:05 So Washington at Dallas. It's that of the game number one. Washington has allowed 14.4 or more PPR fantasy points to five running backs in their last five games. That would be Barkley twice, DeAndre Swift, Ramondre Stevenson, and Ken Walker. And here comes Tony Pollard off his best game since week one.
Starting point is 00:42:28 And he's avoiding tackles really well the last two weeks, which is a good sign. But how much confidence do we have? Why don't I call this stat of the game number one? I only have one stat of the game. How much confidence do we have
Starting point is 00:42:40 in Tony Pollard this week? Nine out of ten. Yeah, I'm more like a six. He's a low-end number two running back. There's definitely blowout potential in this game, right? You see the spread, right? It's 11. And that's bad for Pollard.
Starting point is 00:43:00 He gets 12 carries in every blowout. 12-ish. Maybe it's not bad if Rico Dattel is hurt. Well, okay, did Dattel do anything last week? He did pop up on Ninja Report on Friday, if you recall. Yeah, and Pollard had 12 carries. He did have four catches at Carolina. All right, so would you start Ramondre Stevenson at the Giants
Starting point is 00:43:27 or Tony Pollard against Washington? Pollard, but they're close. I've got Ramondre higher. We're just one spot. They're back to back. I think this game is kind of tough, honestly, because Lamb and Dak are a piece of cake. Is anyone else a piece of cake or a piece of pie in this game?
Starting point is 00:43:50 I'm not considering sitting Brian Robinson. What if Gibson plays? I think I'd still have him ahead of Pollard. I would not have him ahead of Pollard, but I would still start him. Yeah, I think it's easy to start him because then he's probably not game script dependent
Starting point is 00:44:11 if Gibson is out, seeing all the catches. But if Gibson is in, we have seen that before where when they lose, it could go really south for Bryan Robinson. And Gibson's been limited
Starting point is 00:44:22 in two straight practices or listed as limited. Yeah, I mean, for the Cowboys, I'm starting, as you said, Lamb and Dak. I'm still starting Pollard. I'm not having any hesitations, really. So Ferguson is still a low-end starting tight end. He's behind Laporta.
Starting point is 00:44:37 You know, based on Heath's rankings, again, I share similar sentiment. And Brandon Cooks, I think, is still a good number three receiver based on how the secondary has operated this season. So I don't want to say good, but a number three receiver you can hopefully rely on. I put him similar.
Starting point is 00:44:54 He's ranked similarly to the two Packers guys that we talked about in Reed and Dobbs. And I would start him ahead of Amari Cooper. I was just about to say that. I'm going to do that in a league. Yeah, I don't think this secondary is going to slow him down. If anything, it's going to be a lack of targets to him. But again, if you're looking at matchups,
Starting point is 00:45:17 there's very difficult to find a better matchup than this for what Dak should be able to do. And I wonder if Dak has another big game based on how sort of the season is unfolding. Is he putting himself in MVP consideration? I know it was such a bad start, but he's been so hot since, what, week seven? That if the Cowboys somehow manage to...
Starting point is 00:45:38 They're not going to catch the Eagles, so forget that. Never mind. Jalen Hurts is going to win the MVP, right? Is he having the best season, though? Who is having a better season? He's awesome. He's having an underappreciated season, I feel. He's clearly the MVP to me.
Starting point is 00:45:57 Josh Allen's having a better season. Josh Allen? Just got his coach fired because he's throwing 100 interceptions. I can't give it to Josh Allen. Too many turnovers. Josh Allen's not even close to MVP. I'm just saying statistically he's having a better season. In what stat?
Starting point is 00:46:11 He's having a better fantasy season. Barely. I mean, he's throwing, what, for more yards? I mean, Hurts has much fewer turnovers than I think, anyway. And got all the rush. He got all the tush pushing. The thing is like Tyree Kill and
Starting point is 00:46:29 Christian McCaffrey should be in consideration for it, but I don't think they're having like that outstanding of seasons to not just get the offensive player of the year award. Remember like Cooper Cuff, how great he was in 2021? Yeah. And then get the MVP. It's typically quarterback award. So it's Hurts.
Starting point is 00:46:45 Stroud would have to just stay. He might have hurt himself last week with the interceptions, but Stroud would have to probably win the division. But he's going to get rookie of the year, so they're going to give him that award. And then has Purdy done enough? Oh, come on. It's Hurts.
Starting point is 00:47:01 I understand joining the discussion. It is pretty incredible that Hurts just played an island game through for 150 yards, no touchdowns, and a pick and became the consensus MVP favorite. Didn't he score two touchdowns? He did. He did some record of the only player to score every point in the second half. He is the odds-on favorite to win the MVP.
Starting point is 00:47:21 You seem to have a problem with this, but he is the favorite right now. I can't think of anyone that it should be other than him. I can't imagine a Chiefs fan would be upset about it. I know. I'm just saying. Yeah, I know that he is. I'm not disagreeing with that. I agree that he currently is.
Starting point is 00:47:37 I'm just saying that statistically, he's got two more rushing touchdowns than Josh Allen, and he's thrown 15 touchdown passes this year. I don't really know what the issue is. How many touchdown passes does Josh Allen have? 22. Okay, but Josh Allen has 12 interceptions. Jalen Hurts has nine? Really? Wow.
Starting point is 00:48:00 And I think if... It's not so good. There's two more guys that show up to beat him. He has thrown for more yards than Josh Allen in one no he hasn't what am I saying
Starting point is 00:48:08 I'm going to stop talking now let's get back to this game there's two other guys there's two of two are Lamar Jackson if they get the one seed in the AFC they're going to be hard
Starting point is 00:48:16 to overlook too yeah it turns so who would start or sit Terry McLaurin still starting number two receiver
Starting point is 00:48:24 yeah he's in that range Who would start or sit Terry McLaurin? I'm still starting him. Number two receiver. Yeah, he's in that range. So Dallas allows the third fewest fantasy points to wide receivers. They have done... They're not necessarily doing great against good wide receivers, but one of the things that's interesting about Dallas is that they dominate time of possession,
Starting point is 00:48:43 and they've actually seen the second fewest pass attempts in the NFL. They're about to play a team that throws more than any team in football, like by far, basically. So how confident can you be in Howell? You think he'll be able to get 40 plus pass attempts like he does every week. I looked at some of the games where he's played teams that don't give up that many pass attempts or don't see that many pass attempts or don't see that many pass attempts and he throws fewer passes in those games not surprisingly um so anyway yeah dallas is second best against quarter no ninth best against quarterbacks third best against wide
Starting point is 00:49:17 receivers or fourth best against wide receivers it's not an easy matchup but do you have confidence in howell and mcclur I guess? I'm not benching McLaurin because I've seen enough of what he's done this season to say that he's still worth starting as a number two receiver. And like you said, they've struggled with good receivers. They've clearly benefited from taking advantage of some of their schedule and how the opponents have gone. Howell's not a top 12 quarterback. You know, I mean, you got to hope that he's going to get the volume. If he doesn't get the volume, he's gonna get pummeled in this game. I mean, their, their pass rush is going to be a nightmare for, for Washington.
Starting point is 00:49:49 So, you know, I, I think the thing you look at is, uh, a lot of dump offs to whoever the pass catching back has been, if not both guys, you know, so if Gibson plays and Robinson plays, I think you could say there's a chance for probably eight to 10 catches for the two of them alone. And then, you know, I think mccorn will get pepper with targets dotson really is the troubling one because you've seen what he's been with curtis samuel and last week samuel gets ejected dotson find the genzo so if they're not going to throw a lot then i don't want to bank on sam howell's yeah i still i think the key to how
Starting point is 00:50:20 many passes he throws is whether the decrease in sacks recently is just because of competition or if it's real. He was sacked five or more times every game from week three through week seven and also in week one. He has not been sacked more than four times in a game and he's been three or fewer in three of his last four games. So if it's three or four sacks, I think they're still going to be close to 50 dropbacks. All right, let me finish up on this game. If Antonio Gibson does not play, Brian Robinson is like a top six running back for you guys? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:59 Yeah. Okay. And if he does play, where would you end up with Robinson? 16, 18. Okay. All right he does play, where would you end up with Robinson? Six, 17, 18. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 00:51:08 Huge difference. And Logan Thomas or Jake Ferguson? All right. Logan Thomas. Good for about 50 yards or so every week. Just rarely scores. He scored seven or more. Seven is not a great number,
Starting point is 00:51:22 but it's not a terrible floor. Seven or more PPR fantasy points in nine of 10 games. And start the Cowboys DST. All right, let's take a break. We have one more game. We got to talk about Zach Charbonnet. I was trying to get to your emails
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Starting point is 00:52:19 in three straight games for the first time in his career. He is currently tight end three per game in PPR, and that would be six straight seasons. If he finishes that way, that would be six straight seasons as a top three tight end in PPR. It is unbelievable. He's doing it again. Stat of the game number two,
Starting point is 00:52:41 Seattle was really bad against the pass in the first three games of the season. Since week four, though, they are giving up the fourth fewest passing yards per attempt. Only Baltimore, the Jets, and the Panthers are better. And since week four, only Sam Howell has scored more than 17 fantasy points, and that includes Lamar Jackson and a gimpy Joe Burrow.
Starting point is 00:53:02 So, Brock Purdy, start or sit? Must start quarterback. I'm starting him. Purdy or Goff? Purdy. Purdy. Okay. We like Purdy quite a bit.
Starting point is 00:53:20 Zach Charbonnet, as I saw the rankings last night, Heath had him top 10, and Dave and Jamie, basically Dave and Jamie had him outside the top 24. So extremely different. Are we still feeling that way about Charbonnet? I've dropped him three or four spots.
Starting point is 00:53:37 He'll be top 15 for me. I think he's going to touch the ball 20 plus times. It's a bad matchup, but the team he faced last week, the Rams, have given up fewer fantasy points to running backs this season than the 49ers have. And he scored what? 12 and a half? No. Yeah, 12 and a half PPR
Starting point is 00:53:54 fantasy points without a touchdown. I think he's going to get 20 touches. I think he's going to score you 12 points. If he scores a touchdown, he's going to score you 18 to 20. I don't see him scoring. I don't think this is going to necessarily be – I don't really look at necessarily what the production against this team has been because Greenlaw has missed some time.
Starting point is 00:54:15 Their run defense I don't think has played up to its level, but you have a banged up Geno Smith right now. And what is going to be the second running back here and the role that that player will play will DJ Dallas take away the passing down work from Charbonnet will Kenny McIntosh take away the passing down work from Charbonnet if he's losing the passing down work which could be the case then he could be awful so I think he's a good flex but must start no yeah it's a key he really needs to uh catch some passes seahawks i mentioned this yesterday seventh or eighth fewest targets to running backs this year but more so lately um yeah i'm also really nervous about the seattle wide receivers because i just don't know what
Starting point is 00:55:00 to expect from geno smith i mean he could be just horrible in this game coming in with it within i think it's a triceps injury i know this said everything is elbow he's he's complaining more about the tricep right right so you know losing their starting all pro safety the 49ers that's definitely a big deal uh but this is a team that doesn't really get beat deep a lot and um all right how about this? McLaurin, McLaurin or a Seahawks wide receiver? McLaurin.
Starting point is 00:55:30 I have the Seahawks higher. So you have them in their top 24 Heath? Yes. You're not concerned about Gino or you are? I'm a little bit concerned, but we just talked about Devante Adams. We just talked about Jalen Waddle. We've kicked Marquise Brown all the way out of the top 36.
Starting point is 00:55:46 There's a lot of guys we've been ranking in the top 24 that we don't feel very good about this week. How about the Texans-Jaguars game? I know Tank Dell is going to be ahead of them, but how about Nico Collins, Calvin Ridley, Christian Kirk? How many of them are ahead of DK Metcalf? All of them. Dell and Collins for me.
Starting point is 00:56:06 Okay. Yeah, because after that you start getting into the Drake Londons of the world and the Demario Douglases and Debo Samuel. Debo Samuel's injured in this game. I mean, I'm assuming Iyuk is the highest ranked receiver in this
Starting point is 00:56:22 game, but what about Debo? Jamie, how does Debo measure up to the Seahawks receivers? I would start DK over Debo in PPR, Debo over DK in non-PPR. I believe he's got a pretty good, I haven't got to this yet, but I believe he's got a pretty good history against the Seahawks.
Starting point is 00:56:37 So I'm going to bank on that. Yeah, I go Iuke, Metcalf, Debo, Lockett. I would agree. Iuke, Metcalf, Debo, Lockett. I would agree. Iyuk, Metcalf, Debo, Lockett. Charbonnet versus all of the wide receivers in this game, how would you rank it? PBR?
Starting point is 00:56:57 Yes. Iyuk, Metcalf, Debo, Charbonnet. I'd put Charbonnet ahead of Debo. You guys have any Charbonnet teams? Any tough decisions to make? I have him. I'm going to activate him most likely off of the taxi squad, right? I could do that, Heath, in our YOLO League. Yes, you're going to have to cut three players
Starting point is 00:57:24 because you currently have two players more than you're supposed to. Well, I know Bosa was going on the IELTS, so that's why I picked up a defensive lineman. That happened already today, so I just haven't made the transaction yet, and I'm cutting Henderson. Just didn't do that yet. So, yes, I'm going to
Starting point is 00:57:40 activate Charbonnet maybe because we play two flexes there. Two flexes, double flex. So in those type of leagues? Well, I have them in a league where I have Camara and Bijan, so definitely not starting Charbonnet,
Starting point is 00:57:54 but then I have Mostert. And if A-Chan's going to play, I guess I'm probably going to start Mostert. But Mostert doesn't catch any passes anymore. I suppose he could on any given week. So I'll probably go. I'll just go Mostert doesn't catch any passes anymore I suppose he could on any given week so I'll probably go I'll just go Mostert but I love Mostert like I was sitting on Charbonnet and now I can't even put him in my lineup it is it is really funny that like because for me when I hear that group the guy I'm not sure about is Bijan I've got Mostert way ahead of Bijan
Starting point is 00:58:22 um I've got Mostert ahead of Charbonnet and Charbonnet ahead of Bijan. Bijan Robinson had 22 carries last week or two weeks ago, last game. So I think the committee is, I'm hoping that the committee is basically over. But if we're just going on what they did their last game, like Jack Charbonnet has got 11 targets
Starting point is 00:58:42 in his last two games. Oh, it's true. But he's facing the 49ers. I mean, the Saints are good. I just think Bijan is like, he's so good. And the Falcons have shown in the past they can run on anyone. So I just, and plus I don't think they're going to, well, I mean, I guess they could get blown out,
Starting point is 00:59:01 but I definitely think there's blowout potential in this Seahawks 49ers game with the way Geno Smith comes into the game. So I'm worried about the Seahawks maybe more than you guys are, but I'm really worried about them getting destroyed in this game, even though it's at home.
Starting point is 00:59:16 All right, anyway, I'm looking forward to debating B. John Robinson with Jamie on Friday. I think that's it for this game. We could do a little more Debo. If anybody has some Debo or IU questions or anything like that. By the way, where's Kittle?
Starting point is 00:59:34 Is he ahead of Kittle or Schultz? Kittle. I have Kittle. I see Kittle. Kittle's fifth behind Kelsey, McBride, Hawkinson, Kincaid. Fields or Purdy this week? Oh, it says rest of season, but you can answer for this week.
Starting point is 00:59:52 I have that in one league, and I'm just going to play the matchups weekly. But if it's just you have to decide on one, Fields has his bye next week, so I would go with Purdy. But I would start Fields this week. I would start Purdy. Purdy or Stroud? Stroud.
Starting point is 01:00:09 Stroud. Okay. Debo or Josh Downs, half PPR? Debo. Debo. Howell or Herbert? Herbert. Yeah, I've got Herbert higher.
Starting point is 01:00:26 I'm worried, but they're back to back. Same, 12 and 13 for me. Okay, this one's a little relevant here. Start two. Garrett Wilson, Zay Flowers, Gabe Davis, and JSN. Wilson and Flowers. Yeah. Guess what I'm doing this week?
Starting point is 01:00:50 Just putting Gabe Davis back in the lineup. Is Gabe Davis going to have a good week, Magic 8-Ball? Ow, I just banged my finger on the desk. Magic 8-Ball says, chances aren't good. Wow. Magic 8-Ball has not been wrong about Gabe Davis yet, so maybe I need to reconsider. Alright, that's it for our game
Starting point is 01:01:08 previews. Obviously, we have a lot more games to get to, and we will do that tonight. I don't know, figure around 10, 30, 11. I don't know what time it will be. Jamie and I will be doing the starter set for the rest of the AFC home games. In the meantime... Fantasy Cops
Starting point is 01:01:23 to finish the show! This is from marco dear john betty and dorothy i have no idea i am on the outside looking in to make the playoffs and the teams that i need to lose face the bottom of the league the rest of the year? Is it bad for me to suggest people to start or pick up for the bottom teams that I need to win and I'm also the commissioner? What do you think? You're suggesting players pick up at the waiver wire for other rosters? For other teams that are facing the teams in front of him. He's trying to help the bad teams in the league that he needs to win
Starting point is 01:02:06 so the other teams that are in front of him lose. Yeah, no, don't do that. That's not okay. What you might be able to do, assuming you play on CBS, we have a function where you could write an article for your league. And maybe you could say, you know,
Starting point is 01:02:21 I'm just trying to try something new. I thought I'd write a waiver wire article this week and just publish it for the whole league and if the worst teams will have the first crack at those guys but then you're telling everybody uh comment here from the chat i agree damn y'all hating on green bean casserole haters thank you uh no no i i wasn't hating on green bean casserole the fact that that's your first side or second side i was hating on it's so good um it's healthy yeah i went corn souffle and green bean casserole as opposed to mashed potatoes like that's wrong if you had the corn souffle
Starting point is 01:02:56 you would know how good it is okay but then replace green bean casserole mashed potatoes i find i don't not really a big but but not fine. You don't have to, but we could say you're wrong. This is from Derek. Trade got accepted in my league between a husband and wife. The wife needs to win out to have a chance at the playoffs. The trade is,
Starting point is 01:03:16 the trade is, the wife receives Tyreek Hill, Jalen Warren, Justin Fields, and Luke Musgrave. The husband receives George Kittle, Garrett Wilson, Derek Carr, and George Pickens. I call them out on the trade not being fair. Please help settle the dispute if the trade is fair or unfair and that the trade should be vetoed. Well, I mean, one guy's in the hospital, so that helps. That's it. help settle the dispute if the trade is fair or unfair and that the trade should be vetoed?
Starting point is 01:03:47 Well, I mean, one guy's in the hospital, so that helps. Not anymore. That's it. Yeah, I mean, it's not. It's Tyreek Hill, Justin Fields are the headliners for one side. Garrett Wilson and George Kittle are the headliners for the other, but then. It's not vetoable. Yeah, it's not, right?
Starting point is 01:04:01 No. No. But it's one of those, like, you just put on your radar because it's not, right? No. But it's one of those you just put on your radar because it's a husband-wife, because there's a situation where there's one team trying to help another team. It's questionable, but it's not vetoable. It's a bad trade, and if you want to lose friends,
Starting point is 01:04:20 I think it's acceptable to kick them out of the league for collusion, but you can't veto it because that's not a thing. Yeah. All right. This is from Ben. That is a thing. I'm not going to let you get away with that. You said yeah already. Thomas has already got the clip. I didn't think you were going to say that.
Starting point is 01:04:37 So this is from Ben. Just had a situation happen on the trade deadline and I need your input. Two players made a trade right before kickoff on Monday involving Travis Kelsey and some other players that played on Sunday. Due to our platform setting
Starting point is 01:04:56 and to make the commissioner's life easier, trades process immediately. Due to this, Kelsey was moved off of the player's roster in a closely contested matchup on Monday, where both players are fighting for a playoff spot. Before the game, the manager reached out saying he didn't think that Kelsey would be moved off the roster, and he wanted him to play tonight. His opponent is stating that the platform processed the trade, and he could still play Noah Gray gray to complete a roster what say you
Starting point is 01:05:27 fantasy cops should kelsey stay on his original team's roster until tuesday or should he have stayed on that roster until tuesday if your league rules suggest that once trades are processed they're processed immediately then that's the risk you run of making trades while there's still games going on. So did the guy who traded away the Sunday players lose the points that the players scored on Sunday?
Starting point is 01:05:53 I'm not getting that impression at all. I think it's a terrible answer from Jamie. I'm not going to lie. Terrible. Not critical thinking at all. It stated in the email to make the commissioner's life easy. If that's the rules that you guys have been playing by, critical thinking at all. It stated in the email to make the commissioner's life easy. Like what is the,
Starting point is 01:06:07 if that's the rules that you guys have been playing by, then that's what you have to adhere to. Adam is the most heavy handed commissioner I've ever played fantasy football with. And so I know that what he's going to do is say if somebody says they didn't understand what was going to happen with the trade,
Starting point is 01:06:24 then you should reverse the trade. That's exactly what I even replied to the email. And that's exactly what I said. I know. Yeah. I mean, you're going in every week in our baked burger dynasty league and setting like four different teams lineups. Just Schneier.
Starting point is 01:06:36 Basically altering the landscape of the entire league. Oh, you're setting lineups? Because he always has an illegal lineup. So I had to make it illegal. Okay, fine. No, I'm not had to make him out. Okay, fine. No, I'm not going to kick him out. No, seriously. It's very annoying.
Starting point is 01:06:50 We've clearly shown that people will donate a lot of money to play in this league. So if he's not going to take it seriously, then kick him out. I mean, he's tanking. I'm not kidding. Come on. They're not kicking Dan Schneier out of the league. If he's not paying attention to it and the commissioner has to take advantage,
Starting point is 01:07:06 take, take, uh, use your commissioner rights to set his lineup for him because he's not following the rules. Come on. That's ridiculous. Well,
Starting point is 01:07:14 anyway, for this, I don't, I don't think this person should have lost Travis Kelsey. That's really dragging something. I can't say his last name. Just said,
Starting point is 01:07:23 it'll take a spot. How much would you donate dragging something? Oh my gosh. Uh, yeah, we can't say his last name. Just said he'll take a spot. How much would you donate, Dragon something? Oh, my gosh. Yeah, we can't say his full name. Why not? Jamie is spicy today. Yeah. He's in the holiday spirit.
Starting point is 01:07:36 He's not in the holiday spirit at all. All right, so my commissioner ruling would be to reverse the trade. Your commissioner ruling would be what? Trade stands. Fix the rules for next season. And Heath, break the tie. No, I think I would probably be with Adam on this one. One of the few instances, because I think it's very similar to when somebody, like what happened last week in our Scott Fishbowl Kids League.
Starting point is 01:08:07 Somebody apparently sent my son a trade three weeks ago for Jamar Chase. My son doesn't check it very often. He looked at it. He accepted the trade after Joe Burrow got hurt. And we had to reverse that trade because the person didn't actually want to make the trade under those circumstances. Right, right. Adam, you were right. Thank you, Heath.
Starting point is 01:08:25 I appreciate that. Okay, that's it for the Fantasy Cops. That's it for our show today. I'm sorry I didn't get to the emails that I intended to get to, but have yourself a great Thanksgiving if you're not listening tomorrow. Well, if they send the emails in and you don't read them, but you read them on Friday, they count for Thursday. Under Jamie's rules, yes, for sure.
Starting point is 01:08:44 So, yeah, have a great Thanksgiving. I know not everybody's gonna be able to listen tomorrow, but hopefully you can. But if not, and you're traveling, whatever safe travels, enjoy time with the family.
Starting point is 01:08:54 We'll have our normal schedule this week. So hope to, hopefully you'll hear from us. If not talk to you next week. Thomas said, check the poll, check the poll. What's the poll.
Starting point is 01:09:04 I don't know. So check the poll. All right. Let's check the YouTube poll. It's going to be something about green bean casserole. I'm sure it's going to be something negative for me because Schaefer is the new Heath Cummings. Oh, should Dan Schneier be kicked out of
Starting point is 01:09:18 the Bake Burger Dynasty League for not setting his lineups? I'm going to vote no. Oh, no. Yes, a billion times. 74% going to vote no. Oh, no. I want to vote yes a billion times. 74% say yes. Wow. Oh, Schneier. Oh, that's bad news. All right, Schneier, you're on the clock. By the way, Jamie, you missed this great moment on Beyond the Box score. Someone said that
Starting point is 01:09:35 Schneier looks like a young Jason Alexander and he lost it. He was not happy with that comparison. But he kind of does. Jason Alexander, I said, he's a handsome guy. All right, we're out of here. Later, everybody.

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