Fantasy Football Today - Worryometer Wednesday! Plus Packers-Lions Preview and Fantasy Cops (12/04 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: December 4, 2024

A quick round of news and notes to start the show and then it's Worryometer Wednesday (5:30)! How worried are we about Garrett Wilson and Deebo Samuel? What about Brian Thomas Jr. and CeeDee Lamb (11:40)? We also put Cade Otton and Ken Walker (18:00) on the Worryometer, plus Malik Nabers (24:55) and more ... Previewing Packers-Lions (39:00) which should be a fun game for Fantasy managers. Can we trust Jayden Reed, Tucker Kraft, Jameson Williams and other iffy options? ... It's time for the Fantasy Cops (52:30), and this is a particularly wild edition! ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Shop our store: shop.cbssports.com/fantasy  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304 Follow FFT Express on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8 SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179 FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1 SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837 FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2 Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." Visit the betting arena on CBSSports.com for all the latest sportsbook reviews and sportsbook promos. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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with iGaming Ontario. This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports. What a play! Can you believe this? pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath. Oh no, it's week 14 and we're super worried. It's Worry-O-Meter Wednesday here on Fantasy Football Today presented by BetMGM, the sportsbook born in Vegas. You guys worried today? Who's feeling worried? I'm not worried at all. First time all season I felt good about fading Derrick Henry. It's kind of been working out lately, right? All season I felt good about fading Derek Henry. It's kind of been working out lately, right? Yeah, he hasn't quite been as explosive. His numbers, certainly his fantasy production

hasn't been as good, but I got a feeling he was just a little tired, gets the week off, comes back, finishes strong. Ooh, it is 14.1 or fewer fantasy points in four straight games. And with three catches last week, by the way, a season high. How many games do you guys have this week?

Like, does it feel like the playoffs are starting this week? Yeah, that's fantasy. I'm in seventh or eighth place in three leagues. So, and I'm in in some leagues, but yeah, no, this is huge, huge week. Like win and get in, lose and go home. Well, what's, what's, what have we seen the past couple of years in fantasy where there's like one team that's far and away out of everybody else, one, maybe two

teams that just absolutely suck there at the bottom and then everybody else has jumbled together. So of course you get to the last week of the regular season and there's a ton of meaningful games, winning winning get in games, losing go home, losing get help in our auction league, 12 team league, three teams are eliminated, nine teams left for six spots and I don't think anybody's clinched a seed. One guy's clinched a bye but no one else has like clinched a seed yet. So it's crazy competitive right now. Well, yeah, it's a big week

and this is the second year in a row. Yeah, that it feels like there's so much parody in most of my league. So that's a great thing. That's awesome. And good luck to all of you this week. Okay, quick news and notes. San Francisco, as Dave called, claimed, claimed.

Clammed? Israel Abanacanda. Israel Abanacanda. Israel Abanacanda. No, you just do his last name. I wanna reach out. Aban, Abanacanda. Why? The Niners reached out and grabbed ya.

There you go. All right, is anybody reaching out and grabbing him on the waiver wire? I did in our dynasty league. But this is a 14 team, 32 person roster dynasty sitch. I dropped Kaishan Bhutti to speculate on, should I sing it again? Up and up and up.

If I didn't know that you were like covered in body hair, it really looks like you went shirtless today, Adam. I have gotten that before. Yeah, but you do know that. So Romeo Dobbs still in the concussion protocol and there we're previewing that game. They're at Detroit on Thursday. So it was, it's a big deal potentially for Christian Watson.

It would be nice if he had a good game, but he played almost every snap last week. I think it's a big deal for Tucker Kraft. It might be, unfortunately, the Lions, I don't know if you care about this, but again, we'll talk about it later. Number one against tight ends. This just really good against tight ends,

but past defense been pretty leaky lately. Pittsburgh edge Alex Highsmith is expected back this week against the Browns. I never really talk about our Facebook page. We do have a Facebook page. It's just type in fantasy football today on Facebook. And it's pretty cool. You get to interact with other FFT listeners and viewers.

I'll occasionally post something on there and get your feedback. But we'll do some end of the year voting on Superlatives. But join our Facebook page. Again, just search for fantasy football today on Facebook. Okay, worry-ometer Wednesday, zero to ten on the worry-ometer. Let's start with, this is all from Twitter, Garrett Wilson and Debo Samuel. Adam nominated them for the worry-ometer, different Adam. Well, let's start with Garrett Wilson, three straight

games with 9.1 or fewer fantasy points against the Cardinals, Colts, and Seahawks and a worryometer for Garrett Wilson. Seven. Concerned about him not like wrangling work away from everybody else in this passing game. Like I think just as far as like pure talent goes with all due respect to Devonte Adams, Devonte Adams now versus Garrett Wilson. Now I would think Garrett Wilson is a more complete receiver, certainly a faster and more explosive receiver. And yet he's still not getting the same type of targets that Devontae Adams gets. He did get an end zone target last week. I believe he has like one more end zone target than Devontae in their last five games, something like that. Yeah. So he has five end zone targets.

Most of them have been deep balls. And like the just can't connect with Roger Rogers straight up. Missed him on a throw last week. We all talked about that before. I think he's got the upside to do it, but I've, I've got a team where I've got George Pickens, Jacobi Myers and Malik neighbors and. Garrett Wilson's going to be fourth on that list. I, I'm giving him one more week and there's a lot of guys because we've got six teams on a buy that like, I'm just kind of postponing the worry.

Um, I'd put them at a three. If you want to hear the positive, it's basically the same case that I made last week for Devante Adams. And it's the same case that could have been made two weeks ago for Keenan Allen. While he doesn't have as many targets as Devonte Adams, he does have 24 targets over his last three games. He does have 52 targets over his last six games. Like that's, that's really fantastic and is a must start wide receiver.

Anybody who's being targeted nine times a game is somebody you should just start and expect it's going to get better. And that's what I'm doing with Garrett Wilson this week. Right, but it's been three weeks of that. Like the whole reason why I've ranked him where I've ranked him is based on that stat alone. And there were some good matchups in there too.

And it's just, he's not scoring. And I almost think at this point that what are the odds that he's going to get triple digits in yardage with Rogers throwing the way that he's throwing right now? I think it's pretty slim. That means he's got to score or he's got to get a ton of touchdowns. Trey Lockerbie Yeah. Well, Aaron Rogers has thrown for 151, 184, and 185 yards in his last three games. But before that, he was averaging 234 yards per game in his first nine games. So I know he's bad, but can he just be as bad as he was in his first nine games and not as bad as he's been in his last three games where he's averaging 5.1 yards

per attempt. I feel like if Rogers can just be a little bit better, I know again, I've put too much faith in the Jets offense this year and it's been to my detriment. But if he can just be a little bit better like he was for the first nine games of the season, as opposed to the garbage he's been for the last three, then I think Garrett Wilson can at least get to like 70

yards. Right. And again, this could be wrong, but when, when there's six teams on a buy, any wide receiver with any quarterback that's seeing nine targets a game should be a starter. No, I'm pretty much. Yeah. I mean, as a Garrett Wilson manager, I agree with that.

How about Debo Samuel though? If we're, if Dave you're a seven for, and Jamie's here as well, if Dave you're a seven on the worry-ometer for Garrett Wilson, where are you for Debo Samuel? Probably closer to an eight, just because we haven't seen that type of target volume for Debo Samuel. We can hope that he gets more work as a ball carrier

with the 49ers running backs being depleted as it is. But one of the problems with both of these offenses is that their lines are in bad shape. And so if their offensive line's in bad shape, like, there's gonna be production that falls off. It happens every time. And so if the Niners can't get their own line together, then I don't know how much faith I'm gonna have in Debo Samuel is anything more than a number three receiver. And to be honest, and my worry-ometer ranking expresses this, I'm much more concerned about Debo than I am G-Dub. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 10 for Heath. 10 for Heath.

So 10 for Debo and like three for Garrett Wilson. But let me ask you this about Debo, because I think Heath, you called him a by-law a couple of weeks ago, but that was before the Purdy injury. But I still think you could make that case, right? Because I think you could throw out the last two games. The last two games ago was Braylon Allen. Last week it was the snow game. Let's say Trent Williams comes back. I mean, isn't that same appeal still there?

And now that McCaffrey's out, I think that's probably better for Debo. I'm not dropping him. It's possible. Yeah. But like we're talking, it's worry. I'm 100 dropping him. It's possible. But like we're talking, it's worry. I'm 100% worried. I could not be more worried about Debo Samuel. And yeah, you could throw out the last two weeks

and it still sucks. Like there's nothing good to point to. It's just been awful. All right, I'm gonna give Jamie the next one. But before we get to Jamie, let's talk about Bet MGM. If you haven't signed up for BetMGM yet, still got a lot of football left and you can use the bonus code fantasy

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baller move by Adam Plank, who is the one who submitted the Garrett Wilson CD, Garrett Wilson, Debo Samuel question. And he's in the chat and he says he's up at 7.45 to watch live before class. Good for you, Adam Plank, you're the man. Nice. All right, Jamie, so American Girl says, I don't see how the rankings are still so high

for CD Lamb and Brian Thomas Jr. with their current quarterback situations. On a zero to 10 scale, what's your worry-ometer for Brian Thomas Jr. and CD Lamb? Zero. Oh, wow, okay. scale what's your worry ometer for Brian Thomas jr. and CD lamb zero oh wow okay now I'm gonna tell you this let's take out week 13 for lamb because he left with an injury weeks 9 through 12 that was most of the Cooper you know a little bit of DAC but mostly Cooper rush per game he is number 15 per game in PPR

but he's number 25 per game in PPR, but he's number 25 per game and half PPR. And I don't have non PPR, but it's worse. So- You have a son, non-son rankings in there too? Oh, so, oh, I thought you meant my child. No, but this is, this is a Monday night game, right? Coming up.

So it won't be a... But just put that in perspective, not everyone plays in a full PPR league. So Lamb, all he's doing is getting a lot of catches. So did I make you a little bit more worried about Lamb? No. I mean, again, I'm still starting him. There are obviously when you do the stretch of games there, there's a bunch of random performances I'm sure that have been better than CD Lam.

And so if you're telling me that he's still 25th, I'm still going to start him. So we can't sit here and look at anything other than opportunities and he's still getting plenty of opportunities. So while his quarterback stinks and he's certainly been downgraded, this was a guy that was considered the number one receiver coming into the season or top three. He's gotten the opportunities to still be successful. So he's not going to be as good as he is with a better quarterback. He's still going to be disappointing, but I'm still starting him on a weekly basis.

And with Brian Thomas, we've seen now two games of what he's been doing with Mac Jones, and they've still been very good games. You know, so again, this one's a little bit easier to sort of look at because it depends on how you feel about Trevor Lawrence. You know, Trevor Lawrence was not having a great season. He's obviously better for Brian Thomas because he's a better passer,

but Mac Jones in the Detroit game and in the week 12 game, excuse me, week 13 game, there's still been positive production for Brian Thomas. So I think it, for me, it's more about who's not there for Jacksonville and the targets that he's going to most likely group plus schedule coming up is very good. I also say like in terms of lamb and I, I, I've kind of taken this whole thing as we're talking for week 14. Um, the Cincinnati Bengals have surrendered 592 yards to wide receivers in their last three games.

592 to the Steelers, Chargers and Ravens wide receivers. Like the best pass offense is in the NFL. Yeah. Wow. CD Lamb might be like, he might have 150 yards in this game. Yeah. To be honest, my only concern with CD Lamb is health. You know, it has nothing to do with the situation because, like you said, you know,

it's not like he's facing a juggernaut of a defense this week. I am concerned about, does he take a shot to the shoulder or land the wrong way? And he's off the field. I also think it's interesting in that game, just like talking about the game, like the Bengals pretty much eliminated last week. They're pretty much done. The Cowboys have won two in a row and are still technically in the race. Yeah, they're, um, they've got a lot more to play for. So the Bengals are still technically in the race too.

So, uh, Bengals by 15. Um, I think that, you know, when you look at neighbors who we're going to talk about and you look at CD Lam, it's a lot of, it's just so many short targets. And that's all it is. You know, that, and like Lam's ADOT, the last three games has been 6.8, 6.3, 7.9 yards. It's just hard to, he's like, he's like, he's like Wondell Robinson with more targets right now. That's why, I don't know where, if he scores, and he's getting so many targets,

but if he scores, there's always that. They haven't scored, right? Like, Lamb hasn't scored, well, he scored one in last three games. No, I don't know, whatever. Sorry, I'm looking at something else. I was wrong about his A-dot. I'm sorry, I was looking at the wrong date range.

Oh no, it's been super low. But I don't know, that's just my thing. It's like, yeah, he's getting a lot of targets, that's great, he's getting a lot of catches, that's great, that's great. He's not really doing much with them, but I don't know. I get it, it's six teams on a buy. I think I'm meaning more long-term,

not necessarily just week 14 for purposes of the show. So if we can just wrap up this conversation, rest of season, 0 to 10 on CD-LAM. Zero. It's going to be like a five and non-PPR and a zero and full PPR. Carolina, Tampa, Cincinnati, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Philadelphia. So I, I'll give it a one just because I'm worried that in the fantasy championship, he lets me down, but he's going to dominate those other three teams. And I think we're all worried about the shoulder, but this is, this is not a conversation about the shoulder. So we'll come right back. We'll talk about K dot and Ken Walker, Malik neighbors, James Connor, and more after this on fantasy football today.

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So get yours now in time for the holidays. Terms and conditions apply. Welcome back. Worryometer Wednesday continues from odd Donnelly, Kate Otten and Ken Walker. Zero to 10 for Kate Otten and Ken Walker. Let's start with Kate Otten. Heath, where are you on him? This week I'd put him at probably a two, facing a mediocre Raiders defense.

There's too many teams on a buy. There's no streamers. I would start over him. I'm sticking with K-Dot. Rest of season, I'd probably move him to like a six or a seven and I'm hoping that I can find somebody else to start over him. Okay. All right.

So that's pretty clear. We're going to start Otten this week, but we're going to try to move away from him. Okay, all right. So that's pretty clear. He's, we're going to start out in this week, but we're going to try to move away from him rest of season. Anyone disagree with that? This is a jobu week for rotten. If he can't, if he can't come through this week, uh, and let's just start with six targets. Can he get to six targets again? If he can do that, then I'll feel a little bit better about them. But if he doesn't deliver for fantasy purposes, Heath's right. You're going to need another tight end. Seven targets didn't do much for him last week.

Just to get in the ballpark is six targets. So doing that again would help me restore some faith in Aten. I don't disagree with anything. I just think we're at the point now where like we were talking about with quarterbacks yesterday, like how many set it and forget it tight ends do we have? How many set it and forget it quarterbacks we have? So for, for odd, it just feels like he's now part of the group of, you know, the, the mystery bag of tight ends.

Like is he any safer than TJ Hawkinson, then Kyle Pitts, then Sam Laporta, then Tucker Kraft, then, you know, these, these guys that have been Jake Ferguson, you know, who's got a great schedule, hopefully plays, you know, there's just been so many tight Jake Ferguson, you know, who's got a great schedule hopefully plays, you know There's just been so many tight ends that you know, there's there's not a lot of certainty for so, you know to Say you're gonna go find another tight end Maybe Joanne Johnson can get hot Maybe there's a there's a grand calcutta, you know couple of weeks if Dallas scotters out, you know, maybe there's I don't know

I'm trying to think you know, well this of weeks if Dallas scouts out, you know, maybe there's, I don't know. I'm trying to think, you know, well, this is probably going to get dropped, you know, so maybe he's, he's the, you know, a pivot play if, if he's thought there's just not a lot of better options that are going to get six or seven targets. And I think he's going to still be there. So he may have another crappy game. And then it's just a matter of you're dropping him to go play matchups and he has a bounce back. You know, I mean, it just feels like he's, he's just unfortunately part of the roulette

table now that you're stuck with. Okay. How about Ken Walker? I talked a lot about him on beyond the box score on Monday. Where are you guys? Zero to 10 on Ken Walker, who's got Arizona, green Bay, Minnesota coming up. Um, zero to 10, Dave on Walker. Hold on a sec. Green Bay, Minnesota coming up. Um, zero to 10 Dave on Walker.

Hold on a sec. The side, the side has it. Here comes the sun. Now I can get back to business. I'm at like a five with Kenneth Walker. I'm, I don't love how he hasn't been as explosive as he was earlier this year. He's trying to hit the home run all the time. He's not getting there. I feel like the targets and catches have come down a little bit from where they were. There's like a two game spam where he was on fire. And I don't love the matchups form moving ahead. That Minnesota one kind of looms large. And so I'm still going to start. Like I know what his upside is and I know he gets a lot of work.

I do not like that Zach Charbonnet got short yardage work last week. Don't take that role away from Ken Walker, but they did. I think that Walker is decidedly a middle of the pack number two fantasy running back. Over the last five games, he's not even in the top 30 per game. Over the last eight games, he's number 20 per game.

Ken Walker, but he's got touchdown issues and offensive line is absolutely horrible. The comments in the chat are just so good. Yeah. Dave looks like the Terminator after life into retirement. Man, it's great. I never change. How is this only happening this year? You've been doing shows from home for so long. I have absolutely no idea.

No. All right. This is from Cyber Cleric, sort of worried about James Connor running out of gas these last couple of weeks, zero to 10 guys on James Connor. I mean, just put the Spider-Man meme on James Connor and Ken Walker. Like it's the same rewind. It doesn't everything they've said aside from the Charbonneur stuff. Like you have to be in a pretty good situation to consistently bench James Connor. You know, he's going to get touches. I do like the fact that he's still getting some opportunities

in passing and this is offense has just been bad. You know, it hasn't been the same offense. I hope going home helps. They've had a tough stretch of some, I think maybe surprising matchups that maybe we didn't anticipate being as difficult as they have been. Seattle, for example, I think is going to be another tough one this week. But Connor, again, it's just how are you benching him with six teams on a bye? Okay. But forget about, I think honestly, it's hard to bench a lot of these guys at six teams

on a bye. But how worried are you rest of season fantasy playoff search on James Connor? The edge that Connor has over Walker is the fact that when everybody comes back from the buy and week 15, James Connor gets to face the Patriots and then James Connor gets to face the Carolina Panthers and then he faces the Rams. So I think you're probably going to keep starting him for at least the next couple of weeks.

It's weird. I guess I'm very worried about Ken Walker because it's been an extended slump for him. And the offensive line, I mean, not just by my eyes, that's what I noticed watching the last two games of the Seahawks, but also going into week 13, PFF had them 26 and run blocking ESPN had them 30th in run block win rate. So, San Jose offensive line is awful. I guess I wasn't as worried about James Connor. Maybe I should be, but he gets three, four targets a game now, and he's really been like a very good running back for a year and a half, in a little bit of a slump.

But I don't know, I don't know. I'd start him over Walker this week. They're facing each other. Who would you guys start? They're basically back to back for me. I just like Walker slightly better, but yeah. I've got Walker. It feels more likely that Walker could break off

a 75 yard run than James Connor. Yeah. So I've got Walker one spot higher, but they're, they're basically the same guy, except that Connor has a better schedule in the playoffs than Walker does. So I like Connor better rest of season Walker better this week. All right. Neighbors and Tracy from E double neighbors and Tracy.

We'll giants duo here. Worry-ometer. Let's start with neighbors. Worry-ometer on neighbors. little Giants duo here. Worry-O-Meter. Let's start with neighbors. Worry-O-Meter on neighbors. I'm just going to rewind to what Jamie said about CD Lam. A lot of volume, low A dot, except I think his chances of scoring are even lower than Lam's. So wherever you have CD Lam, put Malik neighbors a couple of spots lower. Let's get some numbers here. Let's stay true to the Worry-O-Meter. Six for neighbors, but I'm still going to start them.

Yeah, I was going to say zero must start wide receiver last seven and zero in full. Okay. Last seven games number 42 wide receiver per game in half PPR number 30 wide receiver per game and full PPR. His 17 game pace Malik, in his last seven games, 113 catches, 181 targets, love that, 1,003 yards, zero touchdowns. And he has one red zone and one end zone target in his last seven games.

And this is the weird thing, he is averaging 1.9 yak per catch. He's doing nothing after the catch. He's getting very few downfield passes. And since week seven, he has the sixth lowest yards per target among all players with 30, I think I did 30 or more targets at 70 players. So those all matter a lot more in half PPR and non PPR than they do in full PPR. Yep. Um, and I just think like, and I know you've said, and Dan said yesterday

on FFT dynasty, like, I don't know if he's going to score again and he might not, but even players on the worst offense in football, if they have 79 targets and zero touchdowns, we expect some positive regression. If you're wide receiver 30 over a stretch like this with zero touchdowns, you're a must start wide receiver. But even though he's averaging so few yards, he and Wondell Robinson are the two least efficient wide receivers in the NFL in since week seven.

It's average 67 yards per game over this stretch. He's been over that. He's had not been more than 71 yards in any, any of those games. I don't think. Okay. So you're not including, I thought we were going back to the touchdown list streak. So you're just including the last six. Oh, sorry.

Okay. Yeah. No, I missed one game before that. Just look at his game since his concussion. No, I was doing, since Andrew Thomas Oh, sorry. Okay. Yeah, no, I missed one game before that. Just look at his game since his concussion. No, I was doing since Andrew Thomas has been out. Okay. I would do it since the concussion. Same thing, I think.

Okay. But, all right. So I guess that's kind of an interesting philosophical question is like, is there gonna be touchdown regression to what degree? Because the Giants are the worst offense in football. Like I said, he has one red zone and one end zone target. I think I said that in his last seven games.

Yuck. That's amazing. Right. The thing I think you got to look at when we talk about players like this that are struggling, you know, so look at the players who are playing well right now. Right. Is anybody in any scenario playing Elijah Moore over Malik Neighbors? No, but I would start Judy over him. Judy's different story.

Would you start Nick Westbrook or Kene over? No, no. This is what we deal with because the success rate probably says you play the player who's hot. Yeah, well, Dave mentioned Jacoby Myers earlier. I forget who you said you were benching Garrett Wilson for. Pickens and- Yeah, I've got neighbors and Garrett Wilson on the same team. Yes, I would start Judy and Myers

over Malik neighbors as well. There are certainly scenarios of benching these guys. It's rare, you know, that you're going to have these perfect scenarios of these, you know, players who have been showing you something over a decent stretch. And maybe Elijah Moore deserves that credit. You know, I mean, he's been better than Malik neighbors for, you know, about six weeks now. So, you know, certainly the James Winston games, the five games that James has started that whole span. So you can make the case for some of these guys over, you know, neighbors and lamb.

I just don't think anybody's going to do it. You know, the start percentages don't, don't suggest that. That's the interesting thing is actually since week eight, which I've found the stretch that Adam was looking at neighbors as wide receiver 30 at 13.5 fantasy points per game, Elijah Moore's wide receiver 35 at 13 fantasy points. Yeah. 14.5 fantasy points per game. Elijah Moore's wide receiver 35 at 13 fantasy points per game. And to the point, Adam, if you only think he should have scored one touchdown over that stretch,

which would still be an exceptionally low, that makes him tied for wide receiver 20, one touchdown. Yeah. And someone's asking JSN or neighbors. I mean, we're going JSN at this point. We're going JSN. I've got neighbors. Got neighbors. OK. Yeah, I mean, the Giants offense has been so unbelievably bad.

But okay. Try Tyrone Tracy was the other one zero to 10 on the worryometer for Tracy. Zero. He's, he's, he's their main back now. Still capable of putting up some good numbers, even with this offense being what it is and he's finding the end zone. Okay. All right. And by the way, he leads the team in red zone targets. Uh, yeah, if we're talking rest of season, then I think I'm probably more like a five on Tyrone Tracy.

Cause it, like we did see a pretty good split last week with him and Singletary. I don't know that just because the fourth quarter favored Tracy that I mean Singletary is back out. Singletary got the start and got more work than he'd had since Tracy took the job. And week one of the fantasy playoffs, Tracy has to face the Baltimore Ravens.

Like he might not score you any points in the fantasy playoffs. I don't think Tracy had a single touch in the second half, but you're right. I mean, we hate that Ravens matchup for Tracy. Okay. Next up is we'll go faster here guys. We got to get to our Thursday night game. Scott Morrow says he's worried about all Falcons pass catchers 0 to 10 on the Falcons pass catchers. Zero on Drake London, 10 on Kyle Pitts, five on Mooney.

Sure. I might go a little higher on Mooney, but for the most part, I agree. But Cousins looks terrible. The line only gave up one sack, but Cousins was under pressure a ton. And then on the interceptions that he had when he wasn't under pressure, that, that was alarming. Like the fact that he's throwing the, you know, wide open chargers in the end zone is never a good thing. I hope he snaps out of it, but I just, I, there's been way too much up and down with Cousins to make me feel good about him supporting multiple pass catchers. In this offense, I think it's all London and I don't really feel good about him supporting multiple pass catchers in this offense.

I think it's all London and I don't really feel good about Mooney at this point, boom bus receiver. I almost wonder if it's better if he keeps this up Dave because then maybe we see Penix and maybe Penix is better for these guys at this point. I mean, this is- I don't know if Penix plays until they're out of playoff contention.

I mean, I just want to say Darnell Mooney had three good games in a row. 18.6, 19.8, 14.6 fantasy points. And he had a bad game against the Chargers. But I mean, I think feel like maybe an overreaction to one bad game. It could also be, you know, he wasn't fully over the hamstring injury. I know he practiced in full, had the bye week in there, but who knows with Mooney. I just think with these next couple of games, certainly this week, I mean, but who knows with Mooney. I just think with these next couple of games, certainly this week, I mean, you know, this is, this is his game,

you know, going back to Minnesota and, you know, facing a secondary that gives up a lot of production to receivers, you know, so no matter what Cousins does, hopefully, you know, he's still getting his guys opportunities to make plays. So I think, I think again, this is a week with six teams on a buy, you're probably starting down on Mooney's certainly through CRL leaks. Pits is I think an easy guy to go like, you know, go back to the K-DOT and conversation to me gotten I'd rather have on 10 out of 10 and cop is this point.

You know, I would I would play capitero over pits this week. All right. Let's do one more here. Chuba Hubbard, Chuba Hubbard with 12 carries of 43 yards, he had the fumble and he's at Philadelphia this week. Alex wants to know your worryometer Heath on Chuba Hubbard. Seven and a half. Like I think the carries were not the big concern.

It's that Jonathan Brooks had all three running back targets. And if Chuba Hubbard is not getting passing game work, um, like it's I'd liked, I'd love to sit Chuba Hubbard this week. I can't find 24 running backs that I want to start with Chuba Hubbard. So I'm probably still starting him this week. Um, the schedule is kind of mediocre. It's just was what we saw in the passing game by design or just a random week where Chuba Hubbard didn't get any targets because we had a couple of those earlier in the year

where Miles Sanders had six or seven targets. Chuba had zero targets in a game and the next week he had two, then he had three, then he had six. He had zero targets in a game earlier than he had five and five and four in the next three. So this week will kind of tell us, but if Brooks gets all the passing downs work again, or at least all the targets again,

then I'm gonna be very concerned. Okay, last one is from Sean. He says, I'm worried about Rob Manfred, commissioner of Major League Baseball, must have hit himself in the head practicing his golf swing to suggest that dumb golden at bat rule. Are you guys? Nope.

Nobody has any idea what you're talking about. Oh, really? So it's been brought up to have a golden at bat where a team would be allowed to put any hitter up at any point in the game. So like in the playoffs, when it was Aaron judges turned to hit, they could sub somebody else in. Exactly. Okay. They could, and they, they had to be someone on the Yankees. It couldn't be like the red hot Bobby with jr

Who was so good in the playoffs? But yes, like ninth hitting your number nine hitters up Ben You can put show hey, Otani up instead or something like it's so stupid. It's Say I mean it's intriguing but like baseball's got to be on life support for them to consider something like this. Come on now. I don't know. I mean, I'm aware of the rule. I just don't know the specifics.

So if let's just say, for example, Juan Soto's on base and they want him to hit again. Oh, that's a good question. I don't think so. So they pinch run for him and then he goes back up to hit? I doubt that. Cause pinch running for him would take him out of the game. I think.

No, it would take the guy. No, or not for a golden at bat or whatever this thing is. I feel like if you've already been subbed out of the game, you probably can't be available for the golden at bat. That's just my guess. No, no, no, no. He wouldn't be subbed out of the game. We've spent a full 60 seconds longer on this.

Pinch running? Yeah, if you pinch run for him, he's out of the game. No, no, no, no. So I don't remember the gamekees batting order, but Soto gets on base, Stanton's out and then and then judges. Judge gets out. They want to hit for Stan. Right? So judges on first base. Oh, so Soto has already been retired. No, no, no, forget Soto. Okay. The player you want to be the golden

hitter. Yeah. Is on first base. He just got to hit. Okay. The player you want to be the golden hitter. Yeah. Is on first base. He just got a hit. Yeah. You want him to hit again. Yeah, I'm guessing you can't do that. Okay. Because if you pinch run for him, he's out of the game.

This is like, this is not going to happen. I hope not. This thing we're here. This is, you don't understand. This is the most buzzed about thing in sports right now. Everyone is talking about it, including us. Is the equivalent to this for fantasy, taking somebody who's on your bench that went off

and putting them in your lineup after they've gone off? What's this ball? I feel like that's like putting someone in your bench in your lineup in the fourth quarter and replacing an injured player or something like that. I think it's actually what probably makes more sense is if your best player in the one o'clock games, you can then use his score in the four o'clock games, like you take a score

doublet. But you guys can't know the outcome. It's like, yeah, you could take a four o'clock player and sub them in for a one o'clock player, but it's got to be before the game starts. So yeah, alright, go there. The golden the golden bench spot, we're going to take a break and come back and talk about the Packers and the Lions fired up for this one. We'll be right back on fantasy football today. Let's preview Thursday night football.

All right. The last time the lions and Packers met, it was 24, 14 Detroit, but the weather was pretty crummy. Jared golf threw for 145 yards. Jordan love to throw for 273 yards, but the weather will be beautiful in the dome. So are we feeling like a big high scoring game here feeling good starting just about everyone? Yep.

I think it helps that the lions have some significant injury concerns coming out of their Thanksgiving game. They lost Malcolm Rodriguez to a torn ACL. They've lost a couple of, potentially three defensive linemen for this game, including DJ Reader. He hasn't practiced this week. There's a chance that Reader goes, and that would be good for the Lions, both against the run and the pass. But Onzorrique, I think I'm saying that kind of right.

But Onzorike, I think I'm saying that kind of right. And then Paschal are two linemen that weren't necessarily like dominant players for them, but they helped replace Aiden Hutchinson. And they haven't practiced this week, and I don't think either one is expected for this game. And the Packers offensive line has done a better job protecting Jordan Love as of late. So I think that there's going to be room here for this game to be high scoring and kind of exactly what we need for fantasy. I love this game. Absolutely love this game. Love Jordan Love. I think it's going to be potentially a big game for one of Watson or Wicks, depending on Romeo Dobbs situation. Yeah, Lions are gonna have to score, which is

always great. There are some tough calls though, because like, you know, Jordan Love against a team that's giving up the six fewest fantasy points to quarterbacks and love the window there so beat up. Yeah, love but love hasn't been great lately, but he hasn't thrown lately. He's got 28 or fewer pass attempts in three straight games. Sure. I think Vegas has this one now. It's the highest scoring projected game in the week. I think we're gonna get it. He's as I scoring projected game in the week. I think we're going to get it.

Heath, as I looked at your rankings yesterday, it seemed like you were the low guy on love 15th, but sounds right. Um, that's probably a little bit low, but it is factoring in like the, the pass rate has been low for the Packers. The past totals have been low for love. He's done almost nothing as a rusher this year. Um, so that's pretty much completely disappeared and on paper, it's not a particularly good matchup.

I'd be interesting to see how many of those Lions defensive players are going to miss this week. Um, and it is the highest over under on the slate. It's, I think it's the highest implied total for the Lions who are three and a half point favorites. They've got a 27 and a half point total 24 points for the Packers, which is fine. Um, I think gloves a borderline QB one kind of like he's been all year.

I was thinking along the lines of Jamie goes like, Oh, okay. Well, he's going to have to throw a lot in this game. They're going to give up points. What I did notice though, is that over the last three games where the Packers have not thrown the ball, um, they're, they have the second lowest pass rate in football, but you look at their games. They've you know, they've been winning They've been kind of blowing they blew out San Francisco They more or less blew out Miami, but they also have the second lowest pass rate in the first half of those three games So kind of interesting but you know what like but even with that, like Jordan Love is still playing pretty well.

He scored 22 or more points in two of the last three games. So, okay. So Dave's right in the middle. He has Love 11th, Jamie has him eighth. What about golf? Golf isn't just because this team could score a lot of points and you never know how it's going to look for Jared Goff, Dave.

So starter sit Goff and how would you compare him to Love? I put Goff a notch ahead of Love. I think that he's got a chance to go out and hit his ceiling against Green Bay and Packer's defense just overall hasn't been that amazing. They can be competitive, but they don't necessarily get after the quarterback like other teams do. I know that Taylor Decker is not going to play again, but he didn't play last week. Lyons did just fine without him with Dan Skipper playing left tackle. And I think Jared Goff has a little bit more upside than Jordan Love.

So if I'm choosing between those two, I'm taking Goff. I've moved Love up to 12. So I've got Goff at 11, Love at 12. There's only one quarterback on the waiver wire that I'd start over both of them. Jamis? Yeah. Okay.

I'm not there yet. Would you guys start? Justin Herbert at the Chiefs or quarterback in this game? Quarterback in this game. Both quarterback in this game. Both quarterbacks in this game. Would you start Caleb Williams at the Niners or the quarterbacks in this game? Quarterbacks in this game. I'd be tempted to go with Caleb over love if I knew that the 49ers defense was just as beat up

as it's been over the past couple of weeks. Right. We may not know that obviously by Thursday. Right. Last one is Purdy. Purdy or these guys? These guys. Purdy scares me. These guys.

I probably should have it. These guys over Purdy. These guys. So the running have it these guys over Purdy. These guys. So the running back, rank the running backs. Jacobs, Montgomery, Gibbs. Whoa. I've got a Jacobs, Gibbs, Montgomery. Whoa.

Jamie? I said Jacobs, Gibbs, Montgomery. Whoa, okay. Jacobs won, not worried about the match up here? Not anymore. No, no. Especially if there's no DJ Reader, Wednesday will be an important day

if Reader doesn't practice on Wednesday. I mean, even if Reader plays, they're down still defensive linemen, they're down now their second middle linebacker. I mean, this is, this is trouble. Sure, it's true. And that's why I'm still gonna like Jacob's no matter what, but man, the floodgates could open if there's no reader

Clogging up the middle of that line More than 20 fantasy points in five of his last six games. That's Josh Jacobs Including good run defenses Houston in Miami, though. He didn't really run very well against Miami He had four catches for 74 yards. All right, so but these guys are all like must-starts Yep, okay. So let's get to the tight ends and then we'll spend more time on the wide receivers. Which tight end do you prefer? Tucker Kraft against the team that is giving up

the fewest fantasy points to tight ends, in fact, including Tucker Kraft, who had four catches for 34 yards against Detroit, or Sam Laporta, who has scored touchdowns lately. It's a tough call. Who do you guys like better, Kraft or Laporta? Laporta who is scoring touchdowns lately. It's a tough call. Who do you guys like better, Kraft or Laporta? Laporta. I agree. I have Kraft one spot higher if Romeo Dobbs is out. I will take Laporta over Kraft if Dobbs is back. Are they top 10 guys this week? 12. Laporta is, Kraft is like 11.

Laporta is, Kraft is like 11. Okay. So would you start them over? Are there any streamers? Will Disley or? Nah. Jake Ferguson if he's cleared. Yes, I would start Skoonmaker or Ferguson over Kraft. Starting these guys over Pitts.

Oh yeah. How about Hawkinson against the Falcons? Yep, starting. I've yeah. How about Hawkinson against the Falcons? Yep. Starting. I've got I've got Laporta over Hawkinson and I've got Hawkinson a spot over Kraft. If there's no Dobson, Kraft makes sense and people. I have both over Hawkinson right now. I would put Hawkinson over Kraft if Dobson. I've got Hawkinson over both. All right. Wide receivers. Is Aman Rasain Brown the only, I think you're gonna say no, but I'll ask it. Is he the only must start wide receiver in this game?

Yes, yeah. Oh, okay. I thought maybe you were gonna say Jaden Reed is a must start, but. No, Reed, I mean, look, you're probably starting Reed. Three receiver leagues, sure. It's just one of those things. I would not be surprised if there's a Watson game,

if it's a Wicks game, if it's a Reed game. Look, they're all sort of interchangeable at this point. Reed is the safest because he's been the most productive, but how many catches did he have last week? Three. He had three catches for 24 yards and two touchdowns. Right. He has one game with more than three catches

since October 13th. Right. He has one game with more than three catches since October 13th. Wow. Yuck. Now, if you look at his game log, Jayden Reed's game log and Jordan Love's game log, it's not a 100% correlation, but usually when Jordan Love is really good, Jayden Reed is really good too.

So, you know, that kind of makes sense, right? They just haven't been that great. They haven't been a very prolific passing offense lately. So you're like, yeah. Like I guess we're counting last week as really good. No, not really. Okay. I wasn't really counting that.

What did Love throw for last week? Decent amount of yards, right? Just 274. Yeah, okay. I mean, you could. 274 and two yards were very low for Reid. I think St. John's missed him on the first play of the game for a huge play. Like, there's going to be some better, you know, less touchdown, more, more catch yard game for him Could be this week. I don't think a lot of people are saying jadroni. He's coming off a two touchdown game He's playing Detroit is expected to be issued out like it most likely to be everybody's line

I think he's a coin flip with Jameson way and I've got in one spot ahead of Jameson Williams But they're both like number three wide receivers who could be top 12 this week and could score four points Would you start read or Jameson over, you know, Malik neighbors or CD lamb? No, no, no. Okay. Would you start them over Christian Watson? Yes. Yeah. But to me, Watson and Williams are closer. Correct. They're literally back to back for me too. I like Williams and notch higher. And again, like if Jordan's not going to get pressured,

that gives them time to sit in the pocket and extra second and unload deep. And that would absolutely help Christian Watson. It is funny though, because like Jameson Williams is the high target guy of this group. That's true. Yeah. He's got, uh, he's got seven or more. Let's see.

He's five to seven targets in four straight games, sorry. Yeah, I wish Christian Watson was doing more. If you go look at his game log, he's really not having a good year. Well, when he's catching deep passes, he's putting up decent numbers, and when he's not, he stinks. He's just a poor man's Calvin Ridley, right?

At this point, he might be a poor man's Nick Westbrook Akina. His A-Dot is 18.8 this season. Probably a poor man's MVS. Oh gosh. I mean, basically, yes. He's... Yeah.

Okay. So, Jameson, okay, how about this? How many Bears wide receivers are you starting over Jameson Williams? Two. Two for sure. Yep. If Cedric Tillman gets in full practice on Thursday,

it looks like he's gonna play against the Steelers, at the Steelers. How many Browns receivers are you starting over Jayden Reed and Jameson Williams? One over Reed and two over Williams. It's two over both either way for me. It's either Judy and Moore or Judy and Tillman. Yeah. I think just on an aside,

I couldn't believe how many leagues Cedric Tillman was available in in our leagues. Cause we don't have, you know, a lot of guys on waivers. I dropped him in two. Okay well that must be it. His you know his numbers pretty good when when he's been on the field with Jameis. I think the problem is like we had a three for 47 yeah we had a two for 28 and then he misses a game and this is a guy that's had three good games in his life Yeah, I know

It's dropped but he got but he got hurt in a two for 48 game. But alright, let's see Jordan love or Justin hurt. Well, I think we answered this one, but Jordan lover Justin Herbert Love love go through the chat here. Jaden Reed or Joanne Jennings Great. I'll take Jennings and PPR. I have Jennings one spot ahead of Reed one spot ahead of Jamison. Reed or Debo Samuel? Reed. Reed.

I have Debo a spot ahead of Jaden Reed. Nick Westbrook-Akine or Jamison Williams? Jamison. I have Jamison. Marvin Harrison Jr. or Jameson Williams. Marvin. Jameson Williams or Thielen. Jameson. And that's it. I'm feeling higher in full PPR. Oh, okay. How about that? That's it for Thursday Night Football. I need one second

here. Talk amongst yourselves while I cue up some music. Oh, he's about to play a game. I thought it was another Acer here, talk amongst yourselves while I cue up some music. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do

do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do No, that one we can't play. All right, Fantasy Cops got a couple of entries here. This one comes from Brendan. By the way, email us at fantasyfootballatcbsi.com.

The letter I, that's for anything, Fantasy Cops or otherwise. Put Fantasy Cops in the subject line though. Brendan says, we have an issue in our guillotine league. There were four managers left. One manager had Pacheco in his IR spot. He proceeded to leave Pacheco in his IR spot even after the Friday Las Vegas, Kansas City game had started.

He was also clearly aware that Pacheco was active but didn't wanna drop him. Therefore keeping his four players on the bench plus Pacheco in the IR spot. He argued that this was a strategy move but clearly it was an illegal lineup. It did not affect his playing roster and he moved on by six points.

What should be the repercussions for keeping Pacheco on IR? He has no fab budget left. The other managers have zero and $6 respectively, and he does have the highest waiver wire priority. What would you do? I would take, I'd take a Pacheco from him. Yes. It seems tough, but fair. Dave, you good with that? Not really.

I might take a player from him. It might be a player of the commissioner's choosing, but that needed to be made, made clear to the manager before he decided to illegally stash Pacheco. The problem in my opinion is like, don't just shut up. Don't talk when you're interrogated. He should have never said that this was a strategy move. He should have said, Oh, I'm sorry. That's what he should have said.

He said, but he said it was a strategy move that expresses intent and he must be punished. Yeah. I think he should, should he have to drop a check? Oh, or should he have to make the claim, make, make the move of activate Pacheco, drop someone before waivers run. That's probably too late now. If you really wanted to be tough without cutting Pacheco, because I think cutting Pacheco is a bridge too far. You can let him drop a player and then enforce that he cannot use Pacheco this coming week.

I like to just take Pacheco. Cut Pacheco. All right, next up we have Jeremy, needs help from the fantasy cops. Playoffs were set to begin in week 14. I usually make preemptive moves and beat the waiver wire, but I was pretty sure I'd win week 13 and get the quarterfinal bye in week 14. So I took a risk and didn't pick up any subs

for my quarterback Lamar Jackson in week 14, my kicker, Kayemi Fairbairn and my DST, the commanders. I won and I was looking forward to a week off and a chance to prepare for week 15. And then at midnight Monday, literally two days before the playoffs begin, the commissioner changed the settings, pushing the playoffs back to week 15.

Now I have to suddenly scramble and burn the number one waiver claim I've held onto for most of the season to adapt to the last second rule change, which was never discussed or announced to the league before I got the notification that the commissioner had changed the settings. Granted, it's better that the playoffs begin

in week 15 instead of 14, but that should have been remedied before the 11th hour of week 13. The commissioner made a mistake when setting up the league, but at this point I believe the solution is worse than the problem, especially for those of us who paid attention to the settings and planned accordingly. Anybody who didn't consider the playoff schedule was given a gift, while I have to drop three players to sub for one week that wasn't on the schedule last night and possibly lose my two seed and the buy it's Monday as I typed this and probably too late,

but I could use a third party objective opinion since I seem to be the outsider and the only manager affected negatively. This is awful. Yeah. Whoops. Absolutely awful. So yeah, first you're going to strip him of his commissioner shit. And second, you're going to kick him out of the league. He made a mistake. He set up the league through the playoffs to start in week 14 and then he changed it to week 15, but right at the, at the wrong time. Everybody's like, everybody agrees with me that you can't, that guy

cannot be commissioner anymore. No, can't do it. Here's the problem anymore. And you got to let it stand. Unfortunately, it's gotta go back to week 14. You guys are wrong because as a bad commissioner, you don't know what you don't know what it's like to be a bad commissioner, but I do. I should have been stripped of commissionership of our Big Burger Dynasty League several times. Yeah, but it's a learning experience. You mean when you ran waivers without telling me. When I ran learning experience, you're in year 16 of hosting a fantasy football show.

I'm running a dynasty. You're not some noob who doesn't know what he's doing. Running a dynasty league. The league is hosted on the site you work for. Running a dynasty league is tough. There are a lot of things that you don't anticipate that come up and you have to learn on the fly. It's a learning experience.

I've never been a commissioner of a dynasty league before. Now this is not a dynasty, but this was an honest mistake. You have to allow commissioners to make mistakes. We can't just kick people out of being commissioners. No, no, no. You allow them to make mistakes. You don't allow them to fix their mistakes mid-season. So what should be done?

Over the week before, it was a week. If the playoffs were set, so I'll give you an example. I set up a league, a charity league, and most 10 team leagues I've ever done, they only do four teams to make the playoffs. I realized two weeks ago, I never changed the default settings. So six teams make the playoffs. I'm not changing it to make it four teams make the playoffs. I'm allowing all six teams to make the playoffs because that's how I set up the league, unfortunately.

So because I made a mistake, I'm not going to change what would normally be done. In the case of this, they have this set up to be 14, week 14 as the playoffs. That's when the playoffs are starting. I'm sorry, you can't change that because let me guess, I'm sure it wasn't in there. The commissioner probably has a chance now to make the playoffs if he wins or she wins and gets in week 15. I would guess so. And Thomas, another excellent point in the private chat about Adam's commissioning. BS. That's 100% true. 100% true. Okay. Let's look at the facts. Hold on. Can we get back to this real quick? I propose for this commissioner, for this commissioner in the league that we're talking about to start, you know, to start the playoffs in week 15, but give Jeremy

the number one waiver claim back because he doesn't deserve to lose that. He kept it the whole season in anticipation of the playoffs. He should get that back in week, in week 15. That's what I think should happen. That's an awful, awful rule. At least put it up to a vote in the league. Well it sounds like a unilaterally change it. But you're going to allow that more people are going to vote for week 15. That's true.

But at least in that case, the league speaks and it's not one person deciding on behalf of everybody else in the league. The playoffs can't start in week 14. But that's what they said it to be. It was a mistake. It was a mistake. You can't start the playoffs. I know in the FFT Open, it has to be that way because it's a tournament, but in a regular

league, you had six teams on a buy. You can't start the playoffs this week. But they should have realized this weeks ago, not the week before. They should have, but they didn't. So what do you do? Do you continue a stupid thing or do you make it a better stand? No, but this manager managed his team purposely for this. That's why you give him the number one waiver claim. You give him the number one waiver claim. You give it back to him.

And what if there's another manager in the league that did the exact same thing? Or two, or three. Does he get the number two? Yeah, sure. He can't be the only one that saw the rules and acted accordingly. Keep the waiver claims in the same order then. That's fine. But the playoffs cannot start in week 14. That is awful.

You can't have the playoffs in week 14. The playoffs start in week 14 in a lot of leagues. In tournaments, not in regular fantasy leagues. It's perfectly fine as long as everybody knows it. No, there are a lot of leagues that were adjusted for not in regular fantasy leagues. It's perfectly fine. No, there are a lot of leagues that were adjusted for week 18. They kept it 14-15. It's perfectly fine as long as everybody knows it. I haven't seen a single email from our listeners

that say, I'm in the playoffs this week. Everyone's playoffs start next week. We actually had someone comment in the chat at the beginning of the stream saying, my playoffs start this week. I just barely made it. And people told him, congratulations. Okay, honestly, I would, the vast, vast,

you know this is true. The vast majority of the people listening or watching this podcast, they start next week, right? Like, yeah. Playoffs are week 15. The majority, yes. I would rather- I would venture to guess that all of their rules

set at the beginning of the year that the playoffs started in week 15. I get get that so you guys are saying that they should start the playoffs right now in week 14. Yes Yeah, that's what they said when they set up the league I bet but he already changed it like the guy already changed it to week 15 and then All right, I look I think that he's since he's already gone and done it We're sticking with it. Like you're telling this commissioner to start the playoffs. It's too late to start the playoffs now. The commissioner is not going to listen to us. This damage has been done. It's going to start in week 15. That's what I'm saying.

It stinks. You can't let this guy be commissioner again. Okay. I'm saying that because he's already... Yes, Adam's trying to find a solution for Jeremy. I think your solution for Jeremy is fair if in fact he's the only one that was impacted by this and his waiver claims are going to be screwed up as a result of it. So if the way to appease everybody is to allow his waiver claims to go through and then he gets back to his same waiver spot because he managed it this way, that seems like a rational thing to do. There's going to be other managers in the league that aren't going to be okay with that though. So jkid in our chat says, my playoffs start this week and it's created terrible effects in one of my leagues. The commissioner failed to adjust these settings and everyone, literally everyone in my

league wanted to change it. So why not change it? I don't understand. Right. So that's an example of if a league votes for it and it's a huge majority, then go for it, change it. But this commissioner didn't do that. This commissioner just changed it on his own you can't change the playoffs like literally the week that the playoffs start if the rest of the league is on board then you can there's six teams on a buy this week why would we have a playoff matchup this week no I agree it's dumb but that's how they had it set up yeah all right I feel like there's a compromise to do the right thing and start the playoffs in week 15 while also not screwing the owners. Even giving him the number one waiver spot,

he has three players on a buy this week. It's not like giving him the number one waiver spot's not going to fix. Well, one's a kicker. I mean, he can get by with that. And one's a DST. What do you say? Quarterback, kicker, and DST. Yeah. But also like he's benefited so much from having Lamar Jackson who hasn't had his buy yet. Like he deserves to have his quarterback have a buy. Everyone should have their quarterback have a buy. That wasn't the league rules. Oh my god, you're penalizing it for the players he drafted. No, no, I'm just saying that it's, he, every player should have a buy week, you know, and you would if you started the playoffs in week 15. It's not this guy, it's not Jeremy's

fault, but obviously Jeremy's getting screwed here, but the intent- No, it's the commissioner's fault. It is the commissioner's fault. It's definitely the commissioner's fault. But you don't double down on the commissioner's mistake. The commissioner made a mistake, he had the league set up wrong. I still think the best thing to do is start the playoffs in week 15, personally. Obviously you guys disagree. Even if he realized it Monday night.

Yeah. That's terrible. I, I, I agree with you. It just not be happening now. Like if, if the rules were set in place, this can't be the only person who noticed it. Well, I would like to know a little bit more about how the rest of the right, the whole league needs to know about the whole league needs to act on it and then they can probably find a solution from there and the playoffs can start in week 15. The commissioner needs to know about the whole league needs to act on it. And then they can probably find a solution from there and the playoffs can start in week 15. The commissioner needs to take that step right now. Yeah, it's probably too late, unfortunately, but I suggest to be clear, the playoffs should

start in Jeremy's league, where it was set to week 14. And then on Monday night, the commissioner changed it to week 15. The playoffs should start in what week. When it was originally scheduled. Seat says 14, Dave, 14, unless the league agrees to move it back to 50. 100% degrees, right? Yeah. I mean, listen, Jeremy's not going to agree. So, but he's, he has to, if to, if they throw him the bone that you suggested at him and everyone else

agrees then move forward into week 15. But short of something like that, I think you got to stick with what the rules said. Most people agree with you guys. Obviously, I'm on my island here. I just feel like we all know the playoffs should ideally start in week 15 if you can do it so you're not screwing over the manager who planned for it to be in week 14, Jeremy in this case, then it's better to make it in week 15. So if you give him Jamis Winston and kicker and defense of his choice without losing his waiver claim, you're

fine with that. I'm not giving him any waiver claim he wants this week, I'm just letting him keep the number one waiver claim for week 15. Like he's- We're reading this two days later. Waivers have probably already run. I know that's the issue here. But that's what I would have done. You can still give him number one waiver priority next week. That's still on the table.

And he already had number one waiver priority, so he's probably picked up Jamis Winston or any quarter. I also wonder, I mean, look, there's a lot of variables here. Like how far ahead is he on keeping his bye? I think we should guarantee him a bye as well if you're moving the playoffs. That's the thing. Like how far ahead of the three seat is he for the bye? I think you're stubbornly just making it week 14 because like, but even though-

No, because those were the rules and he won the league, like the rules, like we're screwing him over because he did everything appropriate. Right. But what I'm saying is there's a way to keep that advantage that he gained while also making there's not because he may, he may, he may have drafted Lamar Jackson with this in mind. I drafted in the Scott fish bowl, extra week 14 players, just wanting to get to that point and then figuring I get it. It'd be easier to like, just to figure it out week 14.

Now I'm going to pay for it now. Cause I couldn't get Isaac Arendo, but like people do draft in the FFPC contests based on like, you know, I can get the buy, I'm going to draft all these players on a buy during the first week of the playoffs. Okay. Like you're, you're, you're screwing this guy over. Not really. By changing the rule.

You are. Yes, really. How are you screwing it over? His buy is in jeopardy. He managed his team at some point during the season when he knew when the playoffs were, he managed his team. And it got to a point where he knew that he, he knew he's getting a buy. He knew he didn't have to, he knew that he knew he's getting a buy. He knew he

didn't have to. He said that in the start of the only time. Yeah. He did it last week when he didn't preemptively pick someone up for. That's what he said he did at this particular junction. We don't know at what point the season he knew playoffs week 14 and he where he was in planning. That's all he did. That's all he did was not pick up someone for week 14 because he thought he had a buy. That's it he did was not pick up someone for week 14 because he thought he had a buy. That's it. Because he thought he was playing by the rules. He didn't plan the entire season based on the playoffs starting in week 14. You don't know that. That's what he wrote in the email. He just didn't beat the waiver wire for week 14. I hope the guy realized, like, has screen

grabbed this and is playing it for the commissioner. And just in case he is, I just want to tell the commissioner, like, you should resign, don't make your friends. Kick you out of the commissionership. Just like, apologize or let somebody else take it over or make it right. So that everybody in the league is happy. And the idea of giving this guy the buy that he earned based on what the rules said going into this week would make your, would make Jeremy happy. He would live with the playoffs starting week 15, his buy was guaranteed that that that would be a

solution that week 14 to piece him I don't know if you necessarily give him the win but no matter what he's got a buy going into the playoffs I don't see how you can do that though don't make it because he earned the buy already with the playoffs starting in week 14 but if he loses based on there's another week on the schedule and somebody passes him, like you're screwing somebody else over then. Playoffs should start with week 15. But that's what would probably get Jeremy to OK moving the

playoffs back. Yeah, I don't think Jeremy's OKing it if the playoffs start with week 15. I'm getting absolutely killed in the chat today. Not a good day for me. Not a good day. Well, you know what? I can't just agree with everyone all the time, right?

I should make Adam resign. Heath would make me resign. I mean, Heath is with everyone all the time, right? I should make Adam resign. Heath would make me resign. I mean, Heath is kicking people out of leagues, firing commissioners, unrealistic, absolutely unrealistic. I am coming up with realistic solutions, not these pie in the sky, kick everybody out, lose all your friends. Well, the realistic solution is you follow the rules. Follow the rules of the commissioner's side.

They were not intended to be that. And it's kind of common sense. The playoffs should start in week 15. I think it's, I personally believe it is worse to have the playoffs start in a week. Like it's like you looked out of the hole and saw how far down you dug. Like you looked into the chat and you're like,

oh my gosh, look how big of a hole I've done. I believe what I believe. And then you just like furiously started shoveling. I believe what I believe. I think it's a worse take to say fire the commissioner and kick him out of the league than it is to say, begin the playoffs in week 15. Fine.

I don't think you have to fire the commissioner, but you got to follow the rules that the commissioner set. Right. But you also can't have a commissioner that changes the rules 13 weeks into the season. Adam, you would never do that as a commissioner. How can you know how to draft next year? You don't have any idea what the rules are going to be at the end of the year. So you made a mistake. Like these things happen. People

make mistakes. Did the rest of the league know it? Did the rest of the league know that we can no longer trust him for the rest of his life? I want to clarify, Adam, I would not say that he has to lose this commissionership if he said, I'm really sorry, I made a mistake. The playoffs are going to start in week 14 this year. Cause I made a mistake. Correct. He's not, he is not losing it because he made a mistake. He's losing it because he's changing the rules on December.

The second five days before the playoffs without even consulting the rest of the league first. Five days before the playoffs. Without even consulting the rest of the league first. We're out of here. He didn't even consult anybody else. We are out of here. Have a great day everybody. Maybe I'm wrong. I will reevaluate.

Maybe? I will talk, we will talk to all. Wait, does the rule say we have to end the show after an hour and five minutes or you just take it out of the park? No, cause Jamie, when you run the show, it's an hour and 20 minutes. That's true. All right, we'll, when you run the show, it's an hour and 20 minutes.

That's true. All right, talk to you tomorrow on Facebook. I'll see you. Paramount Podcasts.