Fantasy Football Today - Worst Values, Sorting RBs13-25, Fill in the Blank (08/27 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: August 27, 2025

Bid on Draft-A-Thon items here! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tiltify.com/@cbs-sports/fft-draftathon-2025⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Yesterday we covered the best values in Fantasy drafts, today we'll tell you about the worst values. First, news and notes (4:40) from around the NFL. How concerned are we about the Falcons losing their right tackle for the season? Or about Matthew Stafford staying healthy? Who are some players we are stashing in our IR spots? ... Bad draft values from Jamey (18:00), Heath (26:55) and Dave (36:30). They'll tell you why they are avoiding players at their cost including Aaron Jones, Garrett Wilson, Breece Hall, Derrick Henry, Marvin Harrison Jr., Xavier Worthy and DJ Moore. There are, of course, some disagreements within this discussion ... We play Fill in the Blank (44:40) and then we sort out RBs13-25 in the rankings (50:00). How do you decide between James Cook, Omarion Hampton, Alvin Kamara, Isiah Pacheco, D'Andre Swift and so many more? ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow our FFT team on Twitter:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @FFToday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @AdamAizer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @JameyEisenberg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @daverichard⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @heathcummingssr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports. What a play! Can you believe this? It's a no idea. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races, and he stays on his feet. It's just going to go the distance. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.

Happy Draftathon Day. We are here Wednesday, August 27th, remember 5 to 8 p.m. Eastern tonight. guests from around the world will be joining us to talk fantasy football and other fun things for three straight hours no commercial breaks

on our draftathon 5.8 p.m. Eastern Wednesday night YouTube.com slash fantasy football today we will see you there. We'll also see you at 1 p.m. Eastern today on CBS Sports Network.

But right now, it's a fantasy smorgas board. Dave, that you are very excited when you heard that smorgasbord word. Always pumped for a smorgas board. Yeah, a lot of different topics. Brotwurst, knock worst, and some brisket.

There you go. Maybe some corn pudding. Again, inspired, Heath? No, I was just, I was wondering, like, what is generally, like, what constitutes a smorgasbord? Oh, I don't know. According to A.I, it is a Swedish buffet-style meal, offering a variety of hot and cold dishes such as pickled herring, meats, meats, cheeses, and I could do without the pickled herring.

Picked herring. My goodness. I would have you pegged to love pickled herring, Adam. Don't even know if I'm sure what a pickled her is. Put it on a cinnamon raisin bagel. Right. Slop with some Russian dressing on there. All right, listen.

Raisins. This is fantasy football today presented by Bette MGM, the sports book born in Vegas. What are we talking about today? We got some news and notes to get to. How much does the Caleb McGarry injury matter for Bajon Robinson and Drake London? He's going to be out for the season. That's their right tackle. Najee Harris off the NFI list.

We've got a lot of interesting reports. Spencer Rattler, the starting quarterback. We're going to talk about some of the worst values yesterday. We did best values. Today we'll run through some of the worst values. But Jamie brought up a topic yesterday that I really, I thought a whole episode could be spent on it. And actually, let me go back and say this. If you're just, you know, you kind of knew, maybe not necessarily this is your first year listening,

but you weren't listening in the off season. We did a lot of episodes that you could go back. and listen to now, and most of it would still be relevant. So, for example, we broke down, I don't know, running backs in rounds four through six or wide receivers in that range or something like that, where we spent a lot of time on a small amount of players, and I think it would be very helpful. If you want to go back and listen to those, we're going to try to recreate that with running backs 13 through 26 today.

So after the top 12 are off the board, and that ends with that group of Jonathan Taylor, Kyron Williams, Bucky Irving, Chase Brown, yeah, in that order, in some order. After that group, what do we do at running back from rounds, basically three through five, maybe into the beginning of round six? So I do want to talk about that. Let's start with news and notes, though. And Jamie, Caleb and Gary out for the season with a leg injury. This doesn't, I don't know if anyone's going to change anything with Bajon Robinson or Drake London.

Should they? I mean, I guess if you were debating Robinson versus. Gibbs, Barkley, McCaffrey, you know, when you were close between those guys, it might put you, might sway you one way or the other. If you were debating London versus, you know, I've seen him go in some cases as a sixth or seventh receiver. If you were debating him versus, you know, Nico and neighbors and A.J. Brown and Brian Thomas Jr., you know, those guys, those, you know, usually the bottom seven, bottom seven, the next seven after the top three, Mara St. Brown, then, you know, it's going to maybe sway you one or the other.

But I'm not going to change my opinion on these guys. It's just, you know, it's an unfortunate situation that they lose one of their top offensive linemen. But I think that those two guys in particular will still be good enough to produce at a very high level. Yeah, I try to find some examples of star offensive linemen leaving, you know, going out with injury. I did find a stat from Bill Barnwell who said Andrew Thomas over the last three years in the Brian Dable era. The Giants have basically been the 21st best offense with Andrew Thomas on the field and the worst offense in football with him off the field. So he's made a star offensive lineman. Yeah, he is a star offensive lineman. Rishon Slater missed all of 20, or played three games in 2022. And it didn't

really affect Austin Echler at all. He had his very normal 4.5 yards per carry. In fact, in the three games with Slater in 2022, Echler averaged 2.5 yards per carry. Last year, Christian Dara saw, about halfway through the season, I think he played seven games. for the Vikings. He left with a season-ending injury, and they scored a ton of points without Christian Derrissau. So it's hard to know what this is going to, what kind of impact it will be. Do you care about the PFF grades for Caleb McGarry and also the fact that he's a right tackle for a team that has a left-handed quarterback? So this is the blindside tackle for Michael Pennix.

I mean, I know McGarry is obviously very good, a very good run blocker. We know that. More run blocker than pass blocking. Najee Harris is off the NFI list, Heath. When do you feel comfortable taking Amari and Hampton? This doesn't mean Najee's playing week one necessarily, but it does mean he's not mandated to sit out four games. Well, last night, thankfully, I was drafting with you, so I got to draft Amory and Hampton for the first time this year.

And Dave and Jimmy weren't in the draft, so that helped also. I like Hampton in round four. He is now going in round two or three, and so I'm not able to draft him. It was a half-PPR league last year, or last night, which helps. Jordan Roderick of the athletic, Dave, thinks that Matthew Stafford's back injury is going to have to be managed throughout the season, some concern about if he gets hit. You know, this does seem to be an injury that is spooking people, not necessarily off of Stafford, but off of Pooka Nakua, Devante Adams.

Where are you on the Rams passing game? I'm still interested in drafting them. In fact, I like that I'm able to draft Nakua much closer to the one-two turn than I was a month. month ago. And I don't, I obviously have concerns about what this offense would look like going from Matthew Stafford to Jimmy Garapolo, but I don't think it's, it's going to be a total killer for Nakua or Devante Adams if it comes to that. And we've got to put the if in there, because there's always a chance that Stafford does hang tough. We know he's a tough guy. And he's, he definitely has a chance to play most of the season and manage through the back injury. So

am I brushing it off? No, but if I'm able to get Pucanakua in round two in a full PPR, I'm very excited about that. If I'm able to get Devante Adams in round four in a full PPR, I'm very excited about that as well. I mean, that's basically their ADP right now. So it's not far off from where they're actually getting drafted. I do think if you're investing in the Rams receivers, you have to ask yourself, how much do you trust Jimmy Garoppolo, just in case there's the scenario of him playing a significant amount of games. And probably more importantly, how much do you trust Sean McPay?

Because, you know, this is where he takes good quarterback, makes him great, takes great quarterback, makes him Hall of Famer. And does he make Jimmy Garoppel competent enough to be the guy that's going to support two high-end wide receivers that are worth drafting in this range? So, you know, there's no more, I think, reaching for Puka. I'd be very surprised if any drafts this weekend he goes in round one because there's seven running backs and there's five receivers. I don't think he's in the top five in a lot of people's rankings anymore.

And so Adams is, you know, does he go in late round three or early round four right now? It depends. I mean, where do we see him go in the Superflex draft with yesterday? It was really late. Yeah, I can't remember, but it was late. Superflex obviously changes things. Well, forget about that. He was like closer to wide receiver 20, it felt like.

There was a handful of guys that went ahead of him. That was a little surprising. So there's obvious concern. You know, fantasy managers are concerned. But I think just in terms of like where their average opposition is right now, it's probably accurate. You know, Puka's at the, you know, closer to wide receiver eight than he is, than he was at the beginning of this process where some people had him wide receiver four. Can I jump in here? Because I'm, okay, let's look at the fantasy pros real time ADP.

It's a very up-to-date stuff. You've got three consecutive picks here at 16, about 16, 17 overall. Drake London wide receiver 7, Brian Thomas Jr. Wide receiver 8, Puka Nakua wide receiver 9. That's where he's falling, yeah. Do you agree with that?

I think when you look at the seven receivers after the top three, you can make a strong case for all of them, and you can nitpick and see where they're all going to have some flaws. So it really comes down. I wrote about this yesterday with the average draft position. Like 50-some odd drafts I've done, I've seen different orders for almost all of them. Like it just comes down to, I think,

what your personal preference is. So the fact that London is now creeping ahead of Puka, I think is kind of telling. Should you be closer to AJ Brown or should he be closer to Malik neighbors? That's the question you have to ask. For me, he's closer to AJ Brown. Puka, you mean? Okay, real quick, for all three of you,

Drake London or Pooka Nicola? Right now it's Puka. I'll take Puka. Even if we're concerned about Matthew Stafford and you're concerned about Jimmy Caroplo, it's not as if Drake London has a proven good quarterback. Yeah, someone we hope is good. Or a right tackle, as we just mentioned. Or a right tackle.

I'd be more concerned about the right tackle, actually. In the case of London, which is a guy that's gotten pushed up in a lot of cases, I think Dave, what was a week ago, you didn't have him in your top tier. Yeah, I do now. Right. So, Darnell Mooney did not get placed on short-term I.R. He's going to play at some point early in the season. If he was not going to play in the early part of the season,

like we would be looking at a potential target leader for the season yeah all right um devante adams by the way is wide receiver 19 in the real time ADP 44th overall going in between garrett wilson and dK metcalf yeah yeah i cannot imagine digging garrett wilson over devante adams would you take terry mccloren over devonte adams because he's going ahead of both wilson and adams i would no no way heath yes the other two no all right more more news and notes. Tajay Spears is going to be placed on IR. We talked about this yesterday, but that was a spur of the moment.

So now that you guys have had a night to sleep on it, where did you put Tony Pollard? 23rd in my running back rankings. 22. 20th round 5. The Saints... I agree with the round 5 part. The Saints named Spencer Rattler, their starting quarterback. He averaged 205 passing yards per game, which isn't good.

But it's not like horribly horrible. in five games in which he played 93% or more of the snaps. And I say it's not horribly horrible because he basically did not have Chris Olavay for any of it. And he had Rashid Shahid for one game. So as a rookie, 205 yards for game. You could do worse. But he's their starting quarterback. Chris Godwin and Tristan Worf's avoided IR.

We knew that was going to be the case for Godwin. Isaiah likely avoided IR. Remember, Mark Andrews scored 18.8 PPR fantasy points in one game that he played without likely. Now, it was a very good pass game for them. They played the Bengals. Lamar Jackson threw 33 times for 290 yards and four touchdowns, but Andrews had a 21.2% target share that game compared to 15% for the season. Christian Watson and Marshaun Lloyd are out at least four games.

They're both going to start the season on the Pup list. Brandon Ayuk is on the Pup list. Teteroa McMillan returned to practice. He has a hamstring injury, but good to see him back. The Raiders not looking to trade Jacoby Myers, according to Adam Schefter. The Jaguars acquired Tim Patrick from Detroit. for a sixth round pick. Dave,

does that matter? No. Let's see. The Cowboys are optimistic about Micah Parsons playing in week one against the Eagles, but he would be limited.

Meanwhile, the Eagles will not have Nikobi Dean or linebacker for at least four games. He's going to start the season on the Pup list. DeShon Watson's on the Pup list.

Foster Morrow and Taysam Hill are both on the Pup list for the Saints. Dave, you actually had a tweet about stashing Taysam Hill. You can talk about that, and is there any appeal

to Jawan Johnson? I don't have any appeal or any interest in Joanne Johnson. The only reason why I would have appeal in Taysam Hill is so I could stash him in an IR spot. And I would literally spend my very last pick to consider something like that. There would have to be nobody left in my draft who I thought was worth carrying in an active spot for me to go and get Taysam Hill. And let me ask you guys this. So if you're on CBS and you have a league with IR spots, well, let's, let's, say you've already completed your draft, you can go to the players drop down, click on

injury report, and then I would go to rostered percentage and see who's on Pup, sort it by roster percentage, and see who's on Pup or see who's on IR, or you can do status, and then you can see who's on Pupp or who's on I R. And that's how you can look for players that you can just stash, that you can just add with their freebies. Are there any players that you guys are looking to do that with right now christian watson watson and tasem yeah christian watson's only 27% rostered what league am i in here oh he's a free agent because this is the fantasy football today league which we haven't done the draft for yet uh all right good good call on

christian watson um oh travis kelsey's engaged congratulations congratulations yeah it's cool it's cool news and even cooler news it'll be it'll be telling if they announced their uh their wedding date before the end of the season. Why? Because if it's next fall, then he's done. Good point. Well, it could be a buy week. I figured that was going to be the Super Bowl halftime show.

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tonight, Wednesday night, YouTube.com slash fantasy football today. 1 p.m. Eastern today on Wednesday. We're on CBS Sports Network. We're going to give you our do not draft list, our final do not draft list. And I imagine it'll be somewhat similar to what we're about to talk about, the worst values. So we're going to cover this yesterday, but we'll get to it today. Jamie, you have Kyron Williams.

The fact that he's 18th overall. It's just not sitting well with you on CBS ADP for Kyrin Williams. And Alvin Camara 26th overall. Which one's more egregious? Camara by a mile. Yeah. We don't want to beat that dead horse. But even if you like Camara, like Dave does, he ain't taking him 26th overall.

But Kyron Williams, is he better at 26 overall? Is that kind of where you put him? No, no, no. I have him at the back end around, too. It's just the fact that he's going ahead of those other running backs that are behind him. He's going ahead of who? Taylor, Chase Brown, and Buckyer. I'd rather have those guys.

As I said yesterday, it's most likely personal preference. It just seemed like it was a little too soon. Kyron is for you the last of the top 12, right? Correct. And Heath, you're a little higher on, Kyron. Yeah, I've got him basically right where he's getting drafted. Okay. And I think that if you look at the stretches that Bucky and Chase had in the second half

and they're able to repeat that for a full season, then maybe that makes sense. Through my process of going through the projections, I love it when a guy has basically had the same role each of the last two years, and we have no reason to believe that role is going to change. And it's been 21 touches per game each of the last two years. It's been basically a top 20 player each of the last two years, and I expect him to be the same thing.

Does the dip in efficiency worry you with Kyran? Because in 2023, it was awesome. Last year, he came down a little bit. He wasn't quite as good. It would worry me much more if he hadn't just turned 25 years old yesterday. Like efficiency moves up and down throughout players' career. It's not generally linear. If a player who's 28 or 29 has a dip in efficiency,

I'm going to be much more concerned than if a player has a dip in efficiency at 24 years old. Sure. And the contract they gave them was a huge plus, too, the fact that the Rams basically put their money where their mouth is when it came to Kyron Williams. The two things that I'm curious to see play out, one we already discussed. What happens if Stafford gets hurt? What does this offense look like, you know, across the board? So, again, what's your trust level in Sean McVeigh? What's your trust level in Jimmy Garoppolo? And when you're comparing those players that are relatively close, I mean, you know, you see if you're checking out our site right now, the average apposition for those running backs, you know,

Kairn is going, you know, what, 0.6, 0.5 ahead of Jonathan Taylor, you know, so it's, it's right there. But also just what Sean McVeigh said. And this is, you know, a coach that clearly takes, a lot of stock in evaluating his own team, evaluating himself. And as we've seen over the years, you know, he's not afraid to make some slight changes. The fact that he was praising Liam Cohen,

who used to work for him and wanted to get some more explosives in the backfield, do we see a change in the touches? So I don't think so. I think Heath is right on that. Like, you know, two years of what he's been, you know, 21 touches per game, top three in both the last two seasons.

But if there is a slight dip in those carries mostly, because I don't think it'll be anything in the passing game, then we'll find out. And I think it's more Dark West Hunter than it is Blake Corm because I think they know what they have in Corm. If Hunter can be that explosive running back and get some of those big plays, then that could change things.

All right. I've read that Corm's had a great camp, and it might be him up first in the event that something happens to Corm. Yeah, I think there's two different things they'll play. I think if Cairn misses time, it's Corm. I think it's something in tandem with Cairn is probably Hunter. All right, guys.

So next up is Brees Hall. And this is on Jamie's list of worst values. Breeze Hall going 40th overall on CBS as RB17. In the real-time ADP on Fantasy Pros, he's RB 18 going 44th overall. So really not much different. We had this moment in our podcast league draft that was fascinating. He just kept on falling. Jamie ended up taking him, but that was 58th overall, I think.

Yeah, he went after Pacheco, after Connor, after David Montgomery. And dare I say, if we had known about Tony Pollard, Tadge Spears, Brise Hall may have gone after Tony Pollard in that draft. So I know you took him. You couldn't pass up the value at 58th. But, yeah, Breece Hall is to you a bad value in round four. He's starting to get to a point where it's not bad value, you know, just if you're going to take a chance on him.

I do actually have Pollard ranked ahead of him at this point. He's R.B. 24 for me. So I'm concerned. I'm nervous about the potential workload for Brayette. Alan and what that could be. I'm nervous about, you know, maybe Isaiah Davis getting work too, that he could be a trapback based on Justin Fields and what he does when they're inside the 10. Reception total scares me, you know, so I'm definitely concerned. But that being said, 58th overall in a 14-team league when you're talking about, he was my third running back.

I shared the team with, you know, our guy Todd Rohn, so it was a combination of the two of us just saying, like, we can't pass this up at this point. Like, especially a league that, you know, running backs are hard to find on waivers. If he continues to fall, absolutely. you should buy the dip. If you were taking him in round three, which is where his average drafts started when we started doing a lot of drafts, no way.

And this is kind of like the tipping point here. So when you're looking at it, like I would definitely take Trevegonne Henderson over him. I would definitely take Chuba Hubbard over him. You want to nitpick with him and Connor, Swift, Aaron Jones. You know, if you scroll down, you start to see RJ Harvey and, you know,

some of these other guys, like I, Pollard, for example, like I would take a lot of guys over him still. But if he falls to the right spot and you're a brief, all truth are yes absolutely all right so so yeah go ahead good the only thing i'll say is like i've only got him projected for 11 and half carries a game and i've got him pretty much right where he's being drafted and the the key to that is what what they've been saying we get did somebody get

traded yep was it tank bigsby or travis ctn uh thomas your guy he's back oh feeling thomas is about to go nuts i'm not sure congratulations thomas you got out of feeling the key $38. How many targets? How many targets for Hull? And I've still got him pretty high in that regard because Josh Reynolds, Tyler, Johnson, Alan Lazzard, Arian Smith, Xavier Gibson.

That's the rest of the Jets receiving corps besides Garrett Wilson. Okay. But then it comes down to, I think, you know, how much will they throw, which we've clearly discussed a lot in regards to Justin Fields. And will it be just him as the prime? primary guy out of the back film. Okay, let's move on.

Jamie, let's go rapid fire here. Aaron Jones, RB 22, 54th overall. I just don't get it. You know, he could still have a very standout season, but it just everything you're hearing and himself saying that, you know, he wants to be sharing, he's okay sharing the way. I don't think he wants to be okay sharing the ball. You know, played through three significant injuries last year.

I think if you're getting him in the round seven range, you know, as a flex, I'm fine with it. Again, look at the names that he's being drafted ahead of. I would take Harvey. I would take Montgomery. Take Pollard. I'd take Pacheco. I would take Tyrone Tracy over him.

So there's just a list of names that I'm not comfortable with that are behind, that I'm not comfortable he's going ahead of. So I'd rather have those guys. And, you know, Aaron, Jordan Mason, somebody that I just find myself waiting for as opposed to targeting Jones. Okay. Yeah, I'd rather take Mason in round eight than Jones anywhere before then. Okay.

That's Aaron Jones. Wide receivers, DJ Moore, 52nd overall, wide receiver 22, Zay Flowers, 63rd overall, wide receiver 26. They're in a big range of exciting wide receivers, and you're probably not taking a lot of DJ Moore and Zay Flowers. It just feels as if Moore is just part of too much of a crowded situation here with what Loveland will do, what eventually burden will do, the hopeful step forward that O'Donzee is going to make, and DJ Moore's role. so I just can't put him ahead of a lot of these guys that I think just have more upside. So to take him 50 second overall, it's too soon. And Zay Flowers, we just have talked about this time again. Amazing talent could be fantastic as a fantasy option on a different team.

But just the way that the Ravens operate, they don't need an alpha receiver to dominate targets. So unless he has a big spike in touchdowns, I don't think you're going to get more than the 12 plus p.m. That is giving you each the last two years. And Jamie doesn't like Sam Laporte at 58th overall or Mark Andrews 71st overall. all, please refer to yesterday's episode when we talked about how we see the tight end position compared to average draft position where we basically just don't. We just think ADP is overvaluing the mid-round tight ends, basically except for David Nujoku. Heath, your list of players that are some of the worst values on CBS average draft position. Derek Henry eighth and

Josh Allen's 17th, TPR. So none of us have Derek Henry in the top eight picks. I think we all agree on that. I'm the lowest guy on him. And I just like almost all of the running backs on my list are the old guys who were still good last year. I would have, Alvin Camara would have been my headliner if I hadn't turned in my list last. And I just, I think we've said this a lot this summer, but be careful thinking just because the old guys overcame decades of history last year that they're going to do it again this year. I think Henry's still going to be good as long as he stays healthy. But I, I would not use a first-round pick on him. And I could have put Lamar Jackson instead of Josh Allen. They're both going in the top 18 picks. They're both going way too early. But at least with Jackson, he was good enough to deserve that last year. We think he's going to have some regression off those touchdown totals, so he won't do it again.

But the offensive philosophy, and it's part of the reason I've had a hard time getting around to Keon Coleman as well. The offensive philosophy in Buffalo from a year and a half of what we've seen under this offensive coordinator is they're not going. to be a high volume pass offense, and they are pulling back at least a little bit on Josh Allen's rush attempts. So he's my QB3, not my QB1, and I wouldn't take any QB in the first two rounds. When would each of you take Derek Henry in a, let's start with non-PPR league? Top five. Three. Yeah, that's a completely different story. I would say four. In a half-PPR league, Derek Henry. Round one.

Still round one, probably looking at like six or seventh. 10 to 12. So if you're talking half PPR, you're going Derek Henry or Malik Neighbors? Henry. I would still go neighbors. And in a full PPR league, when he's taking Derek Henry? I'll take him in round one. I'll take him at the end of round one.

Let's call it 11th overall. So obviously he's going to take neighbors, but Dave and Jamie in a full PPR league, You say, do you take Henry in half, neighbors or Henry in full PPR? Neighbors. I'll take the whole group of that tier of wide receivers we were just talking about over Derek Henry and full PPR. And I'd kind of split up that tier. I'd put, I'd put neighbors ahead of Henry, and I'd put him on Ross St. Brown ahead of him. I'd put Nico ahead of him.

I'm going back and forth on Brian Thomas Jr. As of now, I would take Henry ahead of BTJ, and I would take Henry over B. Pooka, London, A.J. Brown, et cetera. I just play it out like how I want to draft it. I know that I can get those receivers, one of them, in early round two. I'm running the risk of losing one of Henry or Gentie because I don't have them. Right. Totally.

All right. Heath, James Connor, 43rd overall, too soon for you. Yeah, and I think I'm probably just, for the most part, besides Trey McBride, lower on the Arizona Cardinals' offense, because I've got Marvin Harrison Jr. up next. But in terms of Connor, first off, it's easy to say, like, he's another one of the old running backs. Whether we believe them or not, they've all been pretty consistent in saying that Trey Benson's going to have more touches than he did last year. And Connor is, has been one of the more injury prone running backs when he was in his prime. So he's probably a little bit more injury prone in his 30s. You take Trayvion on

Henderson ahead of him? Oh, yeah. Take Chuba Hubbard? I would. DeAndre Swift? I would. They're all going after James Connor. Marvin Harris.

We never talk about Marvin Harrison, Jr. He's fallen into this abyss. Last night during the shared draft between Adam and I said, I had no idea how low you had Marvin Harrison ranked. And I said, well, it's only eight spots behind Jamie in overhaul rankings. It's not that low. But yeah, I just, listen, I was hoping for anything this offseason. and maybe you guys have seen something recently,

they'll make me feel better. But anything this offseason that suggested that Drew Petzig was going to change the offensive game plan in Arizona. And we've talked about it over and over and over. If it's your first time listening, the problem is that Marvin Harrison Jr. just runs down the sideline and makes circus catches. And he'll be good in the red zone.

He'll probably score plenty of touchdowns, but I don't think the target volume is going to be there. Trey McBride's still the number one option in this offense in terms of targets. And I don't think those layups, the easier short routes are there for Marvin Harrison either. Would you take some guys going after Harrison? I know you're going to say McLaurin, yes. Would you take D.K. Metcalfe for Marvin Harrison, Jr.

You all can answer. Metcalfe. Metcalfe for sure. Marvin Harrison, Jr. or Xavier worthy? Worthy. Harrison for now, but any semblance of suspension news for Rice before the season, then it would be worthy. In Harrison's favor, too, I think he is one of the wide receivers that has the biggest difference between my non-PPR and full PPR rankings.

I do think, like that style of wide receiver, for what he's been so far, at least, is better when catches don't count. He's definitely a better non-PPR receiver than he has PPR at this point, yes. You had Aaron Jones in there. You also have Michael Pittman, who's going 98th overall. I don't know why Michael Pittman is going 98th overall. I am terrified of the Colts passing attack. Dave has highlighted over and over and over again, the whole offense is just going to run through Tyler Warren. And Josh Downs is still there. I have not drafted Michael Pitman yet this

year. It seems, I mean, in his, you know, he's got the green arrow, like, flying up. Yeah. I don't know if the reason is because of Downs' hamstring injury, which he's expected to return to practice. And so it's just surprising. Like, if you were still like Downs was out for the season. I could justify it in this spot. Right. But clearly he's going to play. You guys love that that Pittman, I actually thought Pittman was going to be underrated because of what happened last year and the quarterback mess in the addition of Warren. The fact that he's just, you know, put himself, that he's gotten into this range. It's just shocking.

He had 6.9 targets per game last year. We'd love that kind of number. He turned that into 10.4 PPR points. Yeah, I throw out everything last year with him, back injury and just a quarterback mess. All right. But 12. What about 12 games with Gardner Minshue? Would you consider that? No, that I think is a fair comp for what you're looking at for this. Okay. So in 12 games in 2023, back wasn't an issue with Minshue.

And maybe this is why he's flying up draft boards, 9 or 10.1 targets per game, 16.5 ppr points per game. I don't think he's going to get anywhere close to 10.1 targets per game. I think it'll be a lot closer to 6. And I think it'll be a lot closer to 10 ppr points per game. So bench receiver and full PPR, I don't have a problem with that. all right um let's take a quick little break and dave will uh we'll try to get through your list of the worst values now before we do that though we short changed um

adam thielin a little bit here so just to just to put it out there adam feeling going to the minnesota vikings now remember i i said thelan averaged what over 16 ppr fantasy points per game in his last seven games he was really good so heath you have this look of don't even ask but they just stop at him I think there's definitely a fantasy impact here I am way more excited in the late rounds to draft Jalen Coker

maybe even Xavier Leggett there's a clear we don't have to worry that Bryce Young's connection with Adam Thielen cuts into Tedroa McNillan's target share early in the year this is a really good thing for the past catchers on the Panthers

and if you're in a very deep league Adam Thieland's probably still on your waiver wire he's maybe not a bad guy to add if you're really, like maybe you drafted Jordan Addison and your wide receiver three or your flex really stinks. Maybe Thielen could be that the first three weeks of the season, but when Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, and T.J. Hawkinson are healthy. I don't expect it any matter. Chicago, Atlanta, Cincinnati. Favorable matchups for everybody in Minnesota. Yeah, because Chicago's a little beat up in the secondary right now. I don't know if Jalen Johnson's

going to be ready for week one. And then obviously the next two look pretty good. We're going to take a break, Dave's worst values, more of the smorgas board, and sorting Arby's 13 through 26 after this. This episode is brought to you by Defender. With its 626 horsepower twin-turbo V8 engine, the Defender Octa is taking on the Dakar rally, the ultimate off-road challenge. Learn more at Landrover.ca. Bank more oncores when you switch to a Scotia Bank banking package. Learn more at ScotiaBank.com slash banking packages. Conditions apply.

Scotia Bank, you're richer than you think. Welcome back, everybody. Okay, Dave. So taking a look at your worst values, Brock Bauer's 19th overall. This is based, this is not CBS ADP. Although I think he's going, oh no, he's going more like the two, three turn in CBS. yes. This is NFC ADP in the last 10 days, right? Yeah, as of yesterday. So I don't know what the updated numbers are. I would imagine that

they're close to what they were yesterday. But NFC, competitive fantasy football leagues, high stakes leagues, 170 drafts over a 10 day period. This was the average for Brock Bowers. And I might be more inclined to say that this is a fair value and not a bad value if Jacobi Myers gets traded because that would open up some target volume for bowers to collect in an offense that otherwise has Amari Cooper, Dante Thornton, Jack Besh. I don't know if I can count on those other players to pick up substantial targets. I do count on Jacobi to get a bunch of targets. And so that would make me lean a little bit differently.

That would change the math, I would say, in Las Vegas. Okay. So he's going 19 overall. It's like going from 6 to 5 blackjack to 3 to 2 blackjack. I always have trouble with, yeah, now it's A-chan. A-chan, A-J. Brown, Drake, London, Chase Brown, Brock Bowers, Bucky Irving, you know. That round two range.

It's tough. I don't know that there's a wrong answer, but how do you guys... I think the wrong answer is not getting Brock Bowers on your team. Okay. I love your conviction. It changes for me in a 2- Receiver League versus a 3- Receiver League. yeah sure even if you're deciding and this is an interesting right concept right even if you're deciding between a running back and a tight end not a receiver it still changes in a three receiver league because it's just so much easier to fill the receiver position whereas in a two

receiver the way if you're in a three receiver league okay you might have to you take receivers earlier and that's going to hurt your chances of getting a stud tight end like kiddle in round three or something like that all right so how about this what's a better pick bowers in round two or Kittle in round three? Where? Middle of both rounds. It's Kittal. Kittal in round three.

Bowers for Heath, right? Yeah. Okay. How good do you feel about the target volume for Brock Bowers if Myers stays? And it sounds like he's staying. Myers was on the team last year. I know.

He had 150 targets. And the team didn't run the ball last year. And now they're going to run. And the new running back they have will catch passes. I know I mentioned Cooper, Thornton, Bess. They're not going to do nothing. They might combine for five targets a game. That's really the, like the crux of my argument is that I'm worried that Bowers won't have 8.9 targets per game this year and that the number is going to come down and he's going to be good. Is he going to be Travis Kelsey 2022 good? That's what makes

me hesitant to take him with a top 20 pick. Well, if he's Travis Kelsey 2022 pick, then you should have taken him in round one. Right. But even if he's, but if he's, but if he's not anywhere close to that. If he's what he does last year, it's 15 ppr points per game. That's what we got out of Kittle last year. We're getting him around later. We got that out of Trey McBride last year. We got that. We can get that at the end of round two, beginning of round three. So I don't see, I don't see the reason to go higher for Bowers without there being more excitement or optimism, I should

say, about target volume increasing. I agree that the efficiency should increase on his stories. He's got Gino Smith throwing to him. That's good. But I don't know if he's going down by a target and a half per game. I don't know if there's enough to completely make up for it where he's 16 and a half, 17, 18 PPR points per game. I think the question would be is like,

how much are you valuing Amari Cooper at this point in his career? Not much. No. To me, to me, Bess is irrelevant as long as Jacobi Myers there. Bess is an investment on the future. I don't think he's going to get very many opportunities with Myers being there. I think they're kind of locked into their roles. at this point. You know, you're going to get better production from Thornton. I definitely agree

with that. Their outside receiver play should be better, or their second receiver play, however you want to say it. I know Adam, you brought up, you know, just where Myers lined up. But I think their second receiver play should be better than when it was a year ago. Their run game should be better, as Dave alluded to. And it's a matter of how much more, how much does the quarterback play and just offensive environment situation either benefit or potentially hurt Bowers to his high-end potential? And that's the question you have to ask for them. You know, so, you know, if you're, if you're expecting his production to spike because of Gino Smith and, you know, they're going to move the ball more. They're going to get more opportunities.

They're going to have more, more plays because they should just be better. Then Bauer's has more opportunities across board. Next up is Garrett Wilson, 30th overall. Now, listen, the NFC ADP, the wide receivers go earlier than the running backs compared to CBS. But Garrett Wilson is still wide receiver 14, which is just too early for Dave. So we've talked about that at nauseam. Where do you have, where do you have Garrett Wilson? 25th.

Okay. Joe Burrow is the third quarterback off the board. And you have him. I think we talked about this yesterday, actually. You have him. Yeah, we did. And this is probably a lot of four point per passing touchdown leagues too. So we don't like Burrow at, as QB3.

I think again, that's on NFC? Yep. Okay. as wide receiver 19 ahead of McMillan, McLaurin, Sutton, DJ Moore, who you also have on this list. So if you don't like worthy at wide receiver 19, you don't like more at wide receiver 23.

Who are guys that you like better? I like James and Williams better. I like Tedaro and McMillan better. I like D.K. Metcalf better. I'm not sure what other receivers are behind them that I have ranked ahead of worthy. I don't mind worthy, but I like it more as like a low end number two wide receiver.

and I worry about consistency with him. And how many games this year will he go off? Maybe like six or seven. That's certainly within the range of possibilities. But we're going to start him every week. And some weeks he's going to have eight PPR points. And then the next week, 23, and then the next week, 11. And it's just going to be a roller coaster ride.

There are other receivers, I think, can be a little bit more consistent that I'd rather have. I think it just depends on how long is Rushie Rice's suspension and when does it happen. I mean, there's a chance still. that were these more productive than rice when they're both playing. But if you look at what he did towards the end of last year, there was basically one of those games

that Dave's concerned about because there was no rice. And he averaged 20 fantasy points per game in his last six games. I think that there's certainly, and a lot of times guys get drafted in certain places partially because of what we expect or project and partially because

of what type of upside they bring to the table and worthy he could certainly in round four be one of the guys that wins you your league yeah he also had he had 104 rushing yards and three rushing touchdowns in 16 games I don't think you should think about the rushing touchdown as repeatable

but the rushing yards you know that's that that could actually happen he could have one or two rushing touchdowns all right let's move on the sad that I like about him and this is just telling me kind of like what the expectation will probably be he had 12 games where he had

at least six targets last year. He averaged 15.8 ppr points per game. It's weighted by the Super Bowl, because the Super Bowl, he went berserk. If you take that game out, it's 14 ppr points per game, and it's 13.8 in the regular season. I feel like that's the number

that you should have in your head when you draft him. That's not so bad. No, he's still a number two wide receiver. He's just going a little too early for me. All right. I'm going to skip ahead to some... Hmm. All right, let's do fill in the blank.

Ready? And I'm going to use these exact fill in the blanks tonight on the draftathon show because I originally wrote them for the draftathon show. And I was like, you know what? I want to hear what Dave, Jamie, and Heath have to say. If I have the third pick in the draft, I'm picking blank. CD Lam. CD Lamb.

Who went first and second? Chase and Bijan. Jamir Gibbs. If I start running back, running back, then blank. I have great running backs. Hopefully you got good running back. uh yeah i was going to say something like then i'm not going to reach for a wide receiver in round three right it's you know the wide receiver i'm going to hammer ride receivers in rounds

five six and seven probably even if i start running back running back then i'm going to take five wide receivers in my next seven picks there you go unless like mike evans i think i would love to have and jsn in round three but if i can't get those guys that's what you're going to get Yeah, and that's fine. If I see... If I see Devon A-chan available in the middle of round two, I am blank. I'm doing what Heath's doing. Buying a Chief's Super Bowl ticket?

Yeah, I'm not going to go to the Super Bowl. They probably are, but I'm not. You know, I'm aesthetic. Okay. If I draft Ashton Genty in round one, then I am blank on Brock Bowers. Out. If you're drafting Ashton Gentian in round one, you're probably doing so with the late first round pick.

That would mean that you're out on Brock Bowers in round two. But I would be in on Brock Bowers in round three if he somehow slips. Maybe it's an 18 league or something like that. Who knows? Yeah, I'm probably unmoved. If I draft Amman Ross-State. You would start your draft Raider, Raider, 19-Powers? I've started my draft Ram Ram, Ram, with Puka and Kyron.

If I draft Amman-Ross, St. Brown, then I will be will be willing. to draft blank more Lions the rest of the way? Unmoved. Yeah. Well, I'm not going to draft Laporta, Jameson Williams, and St. Brown. Two.

I'm not going to limit it. If there's good value, if I'm getting James and William's in round five or six and Leporta in seven, and Jared Goff in 12, then go lion. I think you made me draft two lines last night. Two's fine.

Who would we have Jameson? and David Montgomery. That's right. Yeah. Used to be a time when you'd mock people for taking two lions on your fantasy team.

You know, you might have three or four. We did the, the Chad Smith interview, and he's a huge Lions fan. And it occurred to me, I don't know anything about the Detroit Lions franchise

before, like, the Barry Sanders era. Did they, I know they had a team where they, did they actually play? I don't know a single player from the 80s or, when did Herman Moore start? That's the oldest one that I could think of.

Herman Moore was in the Barry era. Yeah. I think they won some championships before they were called Super Bowls, right? They've never been to a Super Bowl. I hope that God they have. But I can't name a single lion from the olden days. All right, the player I keep drafting is blank. Tyler Warren.

Lately it's a Bucca. I've got two players on half of my redraft teams right now. You could probably guess who they are. The Brock Bowers. Yep. We drafted the other one last night. we got to both of them last night actually oh i forget you cursed at me in the text message when i oh jerry judy yep uh the player that would give me indigestion if he were on my team

is blank um the player who would give me indigestion would jesus be a good answer for that i think he would be. Having the McLaurin for Jamie, everybody's okay at the right price. Having to draft James Connor,

which it was a good pick when I made it. It was a good pick. It made sense, but it still gave me a little indigestion. I just, I don't really want him.

He's too old. But he's good. He's too old? He's dirty. It's just so funny how the complaint was Connor after you started McCaffrey Hill.

I know, but they're both, I mean, McCaffrey's younger than John. Those guys are young 31s, though. Yeah, just the lack of explosiveness last year scares me. Okay. Well, he's

giving you at least 15 PPR points per game. I know. Every year he's been in Arizona. It was a good thing. The average over three targets per game last year. It was the right pick. It was the right pick. It was the right pick. No, you would have taken, you would have taken Pollard. I would have taken Pollard. I would have taken Pollard, yeah. Oh, give me Connor all day.

All right. Um, sorting running backs 13 through 26. Let's end our show with this. So the top 12. are off the board, and those 12 running backs are Bijon Robinson, Jemir Gibbs. Jamie and I were remarking the other day about how we started calling him Robinson, because we didn't want to say Bajon. He used to be Bijon, right? We'd all just say Bajon.

Yeah, am I going to say it? Robinson. Robinson, Gibson, Gibson, Gibbs, Barclay, McCaffrey, Genty, Henry, A. Chan, Jacobs, Chase Brown, Bucky Irving, Kairn Williams, Jonathan Taylor. That's our top 12

consensus rankings. All right. After that, in our consensus rankings, in full PPR, 13 through 26, is James Cook, O'Mari and Hampton,

Ken Walker, Trevion Henderson, Chuba Hubbard, Alvin Camara, James Connor, R.J. Harvey, Brise Hall, Tony Pollard,

DeAndre Swift, David Montgomery, Isaiah Pacheco. I threw Tyrone Tracy in there, but probably Well, of course you did. Yeah, it was right. Close to the 26, then 25. All right, yeah, let's do that, right?

So let's end it at Pacheco, and I'm going to delete Tyrone Tracy's name. It's a really interesting group, and it starts in round three, probably ends around the five, six turn, or into round six in most leagues. How are we tiering them? Who are the guys that deserve to go in round three?

in a 12-team league. James Cook, Amarian Hampton, and Trevionn Henderson. I've got James Cook, Trevionn Henderson, and Ken Walker. And I've got Hampton, Cook, Camara, and I think that's it for round three. Okay, so Jamie goes, Cook, Hampton, Henderson. Hampton, Cook, Henderson. You want the ranking.

Okay, Hampton, Cook, Henderson. Heath goes, Cook, Henderson, Ken Walker? Well, Walker, Cook, Henderson. Walker, Cook, Henderson. Yep. Dave says, what's your order? Hampton, Cook, Camara. Hampton.

We're talking full PPR, right? Mm-hmm. Okay, so this is helpful because James Cook is on everybody's list as a round three pick. Travion Henderson and Omari and Hampton are on two lists. Ken Walker's on Heath's Alvin Camarra's on Dave's. So who's in round four? Who's next?

For me, it would be RJ Harvey, Ken Walker, Chuba Hubbard, and I think that's it. And I've got Hampton, who I missed from last round, Hubbard, Hall, and Swift.

I have Hubbard, old man Winkle that's James Connor Kenneth Walker the third Trayvon Henderson and R.J. Harvey. Okay. I think I might have Camara

at the back end of round four. All right, I'll throw him there. All right. Heath is the only one that has DeAndre Swift in the first four rounds. I think when I looked last night Jamie has him 49th,

so he's in round. Maybe I have Connor in round four two. End around four. I'll tell you right now. I have the page open, so. Connor you have oh no I have the wrong page open

I'll go to the top 200 Connor you have 44 yeah you do you have 44th you have DeAndre Swift 49th okay so I'm gonna put Connor on that list All right so reviewing who we think should be in round four not R.J Harvey for Heath but R.J. Harvey for Dave and Jamie

Ken Walker should be off the board by the end of round four Heath hasn't been round three Jamie and Dave have them in round four everyone's got Chuba Hubbard in round four we've got two votes for Connor Heath I'm guessing you have Connor in round five Yep

We've got Camara in round four for Jamie And round three for Dave And round five for Heath right He is the guy who splits us up the most It seems well swift Because Dave has him in round 12 Not true

Where do I have them Since you're looking at rankings Six seven turn That's right. Breece Hall looks like Heath is the only one that has Breece Hall in round four. Dave and Jamie have Breece Hall in round five. And then who are the leftovers,

the guys that should go at the end of this group? I have Pollard, Camara, Connor, Harvey, Montgomery. Yeah, round five for me is Swift, in some order. Swift, Pollard, Pacheco, and Montgomery. Hall, Pacheco, Pollard, Montgomery. Definitely Pacheco and Montgomery. It seems like Tony Pollard. Heath, who were your guys? Pollard, Camara.

Yeah, everybody that, basically all of the round four guys that Dave and Jamie had that I didn't, plus Pallard and Montgomery. I've got Pacheco in round six. Fair enough. All right, so that's the end of the group. So the guys that are at the front of the group, you know, James Cook,

Omari and Hampton, Trayvion Henderson, for at least two of our guys. And then maybe Ken Walker, he's close. The guys were at the end of the group, Tony Pollard, Isaiah Pacheco, David Montgomery would seem to be consensus. DeAndre Swift is toward like the back of the middle. Like flirting with the middle of the group

and the, it's basically four or five turn. And then Alvin Camara, you heard he'd say he splits us up more than anyone else. I thought I did that. And James... We are united in the way we feel about you. Yes, but I pit you against each other. So,

all right, so I think we have a sort of clear picture there. But within this, let's get some debates going here. We have just over a week to finalize the Swift's Camara bet. I don't even remember. It was between Heath and Dave. Yes. Am I in on this?

No. Yes, you have to pay the winner $50. I think if Swift wins, then Dave has to buy tickets to her next concert. And if I win, if Dave wins, I have to buy a Camaro because they're basically the same price. All right. Well, tell me why Chuba Hubbard should go ahead of Tony Pollard. Taijay Spears will be back at some point this season and provides more competition to Pollard than anybody on

Carolina's roster does to Hubbard, in my opinion. What Hubbard accomplished last year feels like it's better than anything Pollard has done in Tennessee. Yep. And I think you're seeing an offense that's on the rise in both cases, But in the case of Carolina, I feel a little bit more confident in their offensive line play. I feel a little bit more confident as now in their quarterback.

That could change. But just I think the entire offense just feels a little bit safer for the Panthers. So based on what Hubbard did a year ago, I think carries a little bit of weight, should carry some weight. And again, really the biggest thing for me is if you said right now, Tysay Spears is out for the season, they're definitely closer. But there should be a little bit of separation between that because of Spears' potential return. He's why, I'm sorry. Where are you on R.J. Harvey, Heath? I've got him in round five.

So I just think he's moved up for me during the training camp, but I also think that Sean Payton's preseason usage does not necessarily mean that's the way that it's going to be in the regular season. And Sean Payton is going to use a big committee. at running back and I've come around on Evan Ingram a little bit and I feel pretty confident Cortland Sutton's getting 140 targets

so if there's more targets going to the tight ends there may be fewer targets going to the running backs than there were last year. Okay and then Jamie you want to give the counter to that for Roger Harvey because you've seemed to be pretty high on him. Yeah, and I think a lot of this might come down to and Heath you can answer this for yourself is your pre-draft evaluation of Harvey

was not as high as everybody else. So I do buy a little bit, not fully, but a little bit of the preseason usage because I think that's kind of how we're going to see it. Dobbins playing more on pass-down situations and Harvey being the first and second-down guy. As we've seen from Sean Payton last year, his history in New Orleans, he will throw to running backs on first and second down. And I think that's going to matter for Harvey in terms of his reception total, just because he's not playing on third downs shouldn't hinder his production. You said this time and time again, Adam, how good the Broncos' offensive line should be. at least on paper coming into the season, you know, has a chance to be top five.

You keep calling it number two. So very good situation. That's where I see it ranked. You're quoting the rankings that they're number two. So there's a chance for him to play behind one of the better offensive lines. I think the maturation process and the continued improvement of Bownecks matters here as well that this offense is going to, you know, pick up where it left off last year. So buying into the coach, buying into the system, buying into the player,

dealing with another guy that's playing behind him that's got a very long injury track record. Like for me, I'm all in on RJ Harvey Harvey. You might be a round three pick by the time we're done. And the only thing I would push back on it all there was I don't think my, like I think pretty much everyone's pre-draft evaluation of RJ Harvey was lower than Sean Payton's. Agreed. I think even after the draft Matt Waldman had him an RB7 in this class.

So like now Sean Payton is the one that decides who touches the ball. So his opinion matters a lot more than mine does or anybody else's. But I'm just, I don't view him any work. close to the same type of prospect as Hampton or Henderson. To that end, he did the same thing with Bonnex. Yeah. He did. That's true.

All right. So who makes you nervous in this group? It can be more than one person. Camara, for sure. Is anybody else nervous about Connor? Am I only the only game? He was on my list. Right, right, right, right.

I'm only nervous just because he's probably going to miss a couple of games, or let's call it three or four games. over the course of the year, but still such a huge part of what they do on offense. I don't think that they're getting away from it now just because he's a little older. Okay. Why am I on...

Why am I on Pacheco Island that I feel like he's better than everyone else thinks he is? I don't think you're on Pacheco Island. When are you drafting him? I would draft him ahead of David Montgomery. I would draft him ahead of D'Andre Swift. Same.

I would draft him early. early round five. Oh, so we're in the same spot. You're not on an island at all. I would take him ahead of Montgomery, too. So that group for me, as I said yesterday, this is kind of where I think this conversation started, was that group of guys, essentially, if you want to put Connor in this group. So it's Connor, it's Swift, it's Pollard, it's Pacheco, it's Montgomery.

It's just, there's so much upside for these guys. There's also so much downside, you know, because you have an older. player and Connor. You have a, I don't want to say disappointing player in Swift, but he just never lived up to the potential of what he could have been, and maybe hopefully will be this year. You have Pacheco and what could still be a shared situation and, you know, coming off a pretty significant injury, Pollard's going to get competition at some point. And Montgomery may be trending in the absolute wrong direction if Jamir gives us gets more work and we don't get the touchdowns from Montgomery behind what might be a worst offensive line. So I think there's a reason why these

guys are in the round five plus range as opposed to the rounds three and four range. And I guess I am on Pacheco Island. So I'll say like the reason I am is just it's a 13 game sample basically in a three year career where he was playing more than half of the offensive snaps consistently. And I am concerned that Andy Reid goes back to the more of a committee approach. I think that there, Kareem Hunt seems to have not done much in camp, but he still might be the short yardage guy. And Breschard Smith seems to have kind of caught fire the last week or two of camp. And after kind of not earning great reviews, they surprisingly kept Elijah Mitchell too. I just worry that he's in that 50% snap share range instead of the 65 to 75 plus that he was

for that short stretch between the end of 2023 and the first two games of last year. So who are you taking over him? everybody we've talked about yeah he's last in this group for you well and I I would in full PPR I think he's right in the same tier for me with Aaron Jones

Jalen Warren Tyrone Tracy so he's like a tier below the guys we've talked about wow okay and then I just want to end with this obviously we know why we're nervous about Breece Hall but I'm a little nervous about Ken Walker you know and

me too a little if I take him in round four hasn't been a great offseason for him he's been hurt which is the typical situation for him it's strange because even he has been and that's not good because he has been hurt throughout his career it's also that in terms of what people in Seattle are saying

about him it's been a great offseason for him what are they saying it's pretty much like he's the engine that makes the offense run but they also been saying that Charbonnet is having a good off season there was that quote that came out too yeah I think round four is a good spot for him because

you know, unless you just have such a strong feeling about the other guys that are in the same range or maybe behind him, like I would take Harvey over him at this point. So like for me, if I see those two guys sitting there, I'm taking Harvey over Walker. But, you know, if I don't know where Heath is on Swift versus Walker, for example, just somebody you're high on, you know, by comparison to somebody that's not going ahead of, that's someone that's going ahead of him based on average after. So, you know, there's going to be some cases where you have just a strong, I'm definitely taking this player over that player. And I'll give you just a real life scenario of in the. draft i did the same night as our podcast league i started with three wide receivers lamb puka and a j brown you know got lucky with how those second guys felt to me second two guys fell to me it was in round four the top running back on my draft board was ken walker and the last of the top five quarterbacks were sitting there in joe burrow it's a two running back to receiver league i took joe burrow oh yeah the idea was the the hope was that i was going to get two of swift pollard pacheco montgomery only got one of those guys so it did not work out in my favor because

picking in the middle. Yes, it did. All those other running backs went except for Swift, so Swift was the one I took. And then my second running back is Jalen Warren. Love my quarterback. Love my receivers. But that second running back spot is going to be a potential struggle if Warren is not that guy. You did the right thing, taking

Joe Burrow. I'm very happy with how it worked out. But, you know, at the time it was like almost consecutively, like Pacheco went, Pollard went, I took Swift and then Montgomery went after him. All right. If you quick questions here. Any update on when we will hear about Jamie's leftovers leagues?

Yes, when I have a chance to take a look at it, I will discuss with Adam the people he did not choose, and then I will go through all the emails that were sent. So if you want to continue to send, hopefully interesting, funny entries, that would help. But I will make that decision in the next day or so.

We will probably do those drafts post-Labor Day pre-Thursday. How about this one? One, two, three, four. Bengals are at the Browns. Adam said it's going to be a banana. And that's the game of the week. Yeah.

I think Bengals Browns has a good chance to be the game of the week. That was an acoustic version by one of our listeners of the game of the week. I thought it was me for a second. It was not. All right, we're out of here. Oh, some team name Tuesdays on a Wednesday. I have Romo Dunzee and Drake May. Rome wasn't built in a May.

No, it's really bad. I just see some messages here. I'm going to reward two guys that are always with us in our chat. Oh, Johnny Airport? Johnny Airport, send an email. Make sure we know it's you. And Mr. Popinski, send an email. You guys are in the left-level league.

I bet we get 10 emails. I am Johnny Airport. I am Mr. Piminski. Malik, oh, this isn't bad. Malik, a good neighbor. Stafford is there. That's good. And how about

a mecca leca hi, meca, hi-ne-hine-ho? Yeah, one more. I don't know how to pronounce it. Is it Apex Fusey? Oh, this guy? Yeah. Yeah, he's in, too. He's always here, too.

Okay, cool. Blah. Last thing, Dave, I need your help with something. I won a Fantasy League last year and my... No, now I know you're a lot. My reward is I get to choose the team name and avatar for the last place team. And the last place team is someone we used to work with, Justin.

He's a Gators fan. So I've got one day to figure out the team name and the avatar how to punish this Gators fan. So you put your thinking cap on and we'll make. Oh, boy. I mean, it's got to be something like, you know, let's go Cain's, but better, you know. I think TiVo sucks. No. You would anything upset a Gator fan more?

You should get someone to do a Tibo and a Gator in a Hurricanes jersey as the avatar. I don't want Tibo in a Hurricanes jersey. Tim Tebow, by the way, the only person ever to make a motivational speech to his team. Put a freaking statue up for it. Unbelievable. Yeah, it's not like he won two. I love Tim Tebow. He won one.

Come on, he won one. He won one. He won one. Um, I, I love Tebow. Actually a Tebow fan, but the worshiping of Tim Tebow gives me indigestion. And with that, we are out of here. We will see at 1 p.m. Eastern CBS Sports Network, 5 p.m. Eastern for the draftathon show, YouTube.com slash fantasy football today.

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