Fantasy Football Today - WRs Rounds 3-5! Best and Worst Values in This Range (07/07 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

Bid on Draft-A-Thon items here! ⁠⁠⁠https://tiltify.com/@cbs-sports/fft-draftathon-2025 Looking at CBS PPR average draft position, we talk about (4:00) the best and worst wide receiver values of Rounds 3-5. Tyreek Hill is going way too late. Is Garrett Wilson going too early? Which WRs do we usually draft and which do we pass over? ... We start with the Round 3 WRs (28:00) including Ladd McConkey, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Tee Higgins and Garrett Wilson. Then we move on to Round 4 (34:10) with Davante Adams, Rashee Rice, Marvin Harrison Jr. and Hill. We tell you who we like and who we don't like at cost ... Round 5 (45:30) is filled with WRs who have some question marks, and not necessarily Top 12 upside. We talk about Terry McLaurin, Xavier Worthy, DK Metcalf, Mike Evans, Travis Hunter and DJ Moore ... Email us at [e-mail] Fantasy Football Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts Watch FFT on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Shop our store: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠shop.cbssports.com/fantasy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  SUBSCRIBE to FFT Express on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-express/id1528634304⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow FFT Express on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/6qyGWfETSBFaciPrtvoWCC?si=6529cbee20634da8⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT Dynasty on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dynasty/id1696679179⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT Dynasty on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/2aHlmMJw1m8FareKybdNfG?si=8487e2f9611b4438&nd=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SUBSCRIBE to FFT DFS on Apple: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fantasy-football-today-dfs/id1579415837⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW FFT DFS on Spotify: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/5zU7pBvGK3KPhfb69Q1hNr?si=1c5030a3b1a64be2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow our FFT team on Twitter:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @FFToday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @AdamAizer⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @JameyEisenberg⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @daverichard⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @heathcummingssr⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow the brand new FFT TikTok account: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@fftoday⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join our Facebook group⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Sign up for the FFT newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fan To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're gonna talk about so many wide receivers beginning in round three today with Lad McConkey and Jaxon Smith and Jigba. And over the next three days, working all the way through the end of most drafts. Welcome to fantasy football today. It is Monday, July 7th. I am Adam Azer with Dave Richard,

Jamie Eisenberg and Heath Cummings. It is also Scott Fish Bowl day. This is the unofficial start of the fantasy football season. The Scott Fish Bowl drafts are beginning and even more exciting. Tell your friends if you're listening between now and one o'clock PM Eastern today, we are on CBS Sports Network at 1 PM

with a special edition of fantasy football today. CBS Sports Network, find it on your cable, wherever you're watching. CBS Sports Network, 1 p.m. Eastern today. We'll see you there. Okay, what's up guys? Ready for Scott Fishpole? A lot of scoring nuances, Jamie.

You think you got it all figured out? I hope so. I mean, you know, it's year 15. I don't know exactly how many years I've been doing this, but Scott does an unbelievable job. And, you know, it's just amazing all the money that he raises and the attention that it rightly gets for, you know, his efforts and how many people take part in this. So, you know, I know there are people that are watching us that are, you know, hopefully doing it for the first time and, you know, people that are still excited to try and get into Scott fish bowl. So continue to try to do so. It's just, it's just a lot of fun, you know?

And I think a lot of people view it as the, uh, the official kickoff to redraft season, which is a, a great thing as well. So, um, yeah, I'm excited to make my first pick and, you know, discuss it as much as we can on the show. Have you seen the merch? No, the merch is amazing this year. Okay. So the divisions I think are sports teams, pro and college.

So he basically took every single pro logo and like Scott fish bull-eyes. And to be clear, I was, I was on the podathon yesterday and Scott was sharing some of his graphic design work. He did none of that. There's a talented cast of graphic designers that are helping out. Although trying to get some of Scott's designs on shirts for sure. It's really exciting. Mine doesn't kick off today because I'm doing a live event on Sunday in Kansas City.

Oh cool. But yeah, it's lots and lots of fun, lots and lots of money raised for lots and lots of good kids. Yep and we'll talk about another way that we're raising money, the Draftathon in a little bit. Okay so here are the wide receivers we're talking about today based on early CBS ADP. Now not a lot of wide receivers going in rounds three through five. It's wide receivers 11 through 24 in the rankings. And I think as we get closer to draft season, I would probably expect more wide receivers to be taken here. But this is what we've got so far.

I mean, on fantasy pros, for example, there are 33 wide receivers off the board by this point on CBS only 24, but that's okay. It'll give us more time to talk about these players. So we got Lad McConkey, Jackson Smith and Jigba, T Higgins, Garrett Wilson, Devante Adams, Rashi Rice. And when we get to there, when we get to Adams and Rice, we're at the three, four turns. So it's McConkey, JSN, Higgins, Garrett Wilson,

Adams and Rice in round three, maybe early in around four, Marvin Harrison, Tyreek Hill, they're in round four. And then Terry McLoran, Xavier Worthy, DK Metcalf, Mike Evans, Travis Hunter and DJ Moore, they are in round five. I'm not going to repeat all the names now because I'm going to be saying them the entire show. But looking at these wide receivers, who would you guys say is your favorite value in this range? Heath, I'll start with you. Boy, you're going to love this. I think the favorite value is a value that does not reflect his current worth, and that's probably Tyree Kill. Yeah, 40, 44th here. kill. Yeah, 40, 44th here. Right. I've got kind of a tier of three guys at the top of this group and it's Ladd who's first by ADP Higgins, who's third and Tyree kill who's seventh in this group.

So I think those three guys should be at the top. Ladd Higgins and Tyree. Yeah, Tyree is going 24th on fantasy pros. So what's the right spot for Tyreek Hill? 44th on CBS, 24th on Fantasy Pros. What's the right spot for Tyreek Hill? Ahead of Marvin Harrison for sure. I'd say 36. He's going to be going closer to 24th by the time we get to August. Ahead of Garrett Wilson. He's going to be going closer to 24th by the time we get to August. The head of Garrett Wilson.

He's, he's going to move up. I think he's going to be one of the biggest risers in ADP. Everyone's going to see that he's healthy. Everyone's going to remember how good he was. You check out the dolphins offense from last year. I'm going to go out and say that it was an anomaly. Tyreke was hurt. They had to, they didn't want, they wanted to protect Tua. They had to shorten his, his drop back. He's good at getting the ball out quick. They leaned into that. A Chan was awesome. They leaned into that.

Uncovered Canu, they leaned into him. I think they're going to try and change that a little bit. Listen, Tyreek's injury was to his wrist. It wasn't to his ankles. It wasn't to his legs. He's still fast and he still has huge upside. Getting somebody like that, someone that has, I don't know if we could say 20 PPR point per game upside, but 18, is that crazy? 18 PPR points per game, that's his ceiling. You're getting that in round four. Someone, people are eventually gonna start to grab him.

I've got him within my rankings and I feel like that's too low. I, the only thing like Dave listed a lot of good reasons why the offense was different last year. And I think the two that we don't know or how much they've changed is the offensive line and the desire to protect to a, Oh, I mean, they definitely want to protect to a there's no question about that, but I think they think their offensive line is better. And so until they realize that it's not, it definitely want to protect to a there's no question about that. But I think they think their offensive line is better. And so until they realize that it still sucks, they're going to probably try and incorporate

the receivers a little bit more. All right, let's go to the next question here in this range of wide receivers. Who is the worst value Jamie? Garrett Wilson. Garrett Wilson going 33rd as wide receiver. Levin's well there 14. And I like Wilson I think he's gonna have a solid season maybe his best ever but I think just going ahead of you know Rice for sure is a mistake and probably Hill and Adams as well I just think that's you're you're asking him to you know have this monstrous season, essentially.

I know we've been hoping for that since his rookie year. The hope would be is that, and probably this is what the ADP is reflective of, can he do what DJ Moore did with Justin Fields? And I think that's certainly applicable, but to be drafting him that high just feels like it's a little bit of reach. Anyone want to nominate anyone else for worst value here? Sure. I think JSN is going a little too high and this is full PPR.

He's going 30th overall as wide receiver 12 right after McConkey just ahead of T Higgins. We've talked so much about T Higgins over the last few weeks. I think you all know we like T Higgins. Everybody likes T Higgins in the second round. Right? Yes. Yes. Closer to the end of round two. Yeah, I've got him 25th. So yeah, I mean, a little ahead. I would say if rice is healthy, and not suspended, then I think Worthy's probably, I agree with Jamie about Garrett Wilson, but I think

Worthy would be my second worst value. I guess CBS ADP is pretty, it must be pretty running back heavy here. Cause man, I like a lot of these values, you know, especially after you get to like Tyree kill at 44, but McLaurin at 50 Xavier worthy at 50 Metcalf 51 Evans 52 Travis Hunter 53rd overall DJ more 56. I don't know. It just feels like I take also don't forget quarterbacks. They're going to be much higher in regular ADP than they are fantasy pros or anywhere else. Yep. And they'll continue to go higher, but I think last I looked, we already had one or two quarterbacks in round two.

Um, and that's the way it's going to be. Yeah. I mean, we've got five quarterbacks going in the first 40 picks and CBS ADP. Uh, let's see where QB five is going. QB five is going 58th overall in fantasy pros, ADP. So, um, that makes sense. And that, do you have the sources on the fantasy pros ADP? Cause I think that's probably still influenced by best ball.

Definitely influenced by best ball. I don't know. I don't have the sources. One of their biggest sources is underdog ADP, which is best. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So which wide receiver do you find yourself drafting the most? You know what?

This is so ridiculous. How many wide receivers are we talking about here? 14 wide receivers, right? Of these 14 wide receivers, who do you find yourself drafting the most guys? I draft Devante Adams quite a bit. Higgins and Metcalf, but that's a lot of best ball drafts. I would say Higgins. We haven't really talked a lot about Metcalf now other than whenever Rogers comes up.

Why do you find yourself drafting a lot of Metcalf, Jamie? I mean, I think just the opportunity that he has given Rogers history with his number one receiver, you know, and the fact that, you know, you're still hearing reports that they're trying to go get another receiver, which they probably should knowing that it's Calvin Austin and Robert Woods and whoever else they have. Roman Wilson, baby Roman Wilson opposite, uh, DK Metcalf. You know, I know the addition of John New Smith is, is a big help to that past catching group, but I still think that Metcalf has a chance to, you know, sort of get back to his peak Seattle days, maybe not his best Seattle days, but his peak Seattle

days and you know, is just great value. You know, this is actually sooner than you see him in some drafts. And again, it's been a lot more best ball drafts for me, but he falls further than, than some of these guys. So I like the opportunity to, um, you know, take him as a, as a second wide receiver, in some cases, a third wide receiver. And, and I just think the value is incredible. I have met calf a few spots ahead of 50.

I think I have about 47. Um, if she's the 47th highest player and he's 51 and ADP, I just think, and we've talked about this a little bit, but that, that conflict between Aaron Rodgers history and Arthur Smith's history and Aaron Rodgers wide receiver one target rate and DK Metcalf's historical target rate. Like there's just, there's a lot of room between all of those things. And which way it works out. Like Metcalf could be much better than this

if Rogers wins out. Well, it seems like they're gonna try to make a compromise between the run. We've seen so many reports recently of they're gonna not be quite as run heavy, but still it's gonna be Arthur Smith's offense. We will see how this works out. Of these 14 wide receivers, which do you typically avoid?

Evans. Yeah. I mean, it's probably the guys we said we think are the worst value, but worthy and Evans. I never see Wilson get drafted this high. So I, you know, I, I draft Wilson, but I would never take him at this cost. But he's going 33rd.

Don't you, don't you start considering Wilson around 36th or am I wrong? Yes. But again, it's, it's a question of the drafts that, that I do versus where I haven't ranked. I got to say guys, like Evans at 52nd is I think too good to pass. I never see him there though. Yeah. Right, right, right.

Someone's taking him late round three, early round four, which is a mistake. But would you, okay. So if Evans is going in the top 40, maybe that's too rich for you. But if he's going 50, 50. Oh, without a doubt. Yeah. I mean, again, this ADP,

I don't think is very reflective of the drafts I've seen. Well, right. If you're doing best ball drafts and you look at this ADP, it's not going to match up. You should probably talk about it in order of the wide receivers and not the overall picks. Right. But I do think this is probably closer to what CBS ADP is going to look like than underdog ADP. Evans is wide receiver 22 in CBS ADP. He has never in his career finished outside the top 24 in any format. He's been like a top, I want to say he's been a top 12 wide receiver, maybe top 13 per game in full PPR, which is his worst format in five of the last seven seasons. He's,

I would have to say the most consistent wide receiver in football since entering the NFL. He's one I definitely want to spend a lot more time on later. But yeah, I mean, is this going to be the worst season of Mike Evans career age 32? We finally there? You'd expect so. You think right, but he was so good. He was wide receiver 11 per game last year. I think if everybody stays healthy in Tampa, including

Godwin, which is really the big sticking point for me, then it sets up for Evans to have a down year. But yeah, I think even if he's getting picked at 50th overall and the average is 13, what was the averaging before Godwin's injury? 14.3 through week seven. Yeah. Well, I would be okay with that if I'm picking him after 50th overall. Yeah. Wouldn't be ideal.

Yeah. So I was going back through my Mike Evans notes and we always talk about this. He was wide receiver, 20, 23 per game in full PPR, 21 per game in non PPR in the first six games of the season. Obviously they didn't have a Mecca Bucca back then. So we think a book is going to be more involved in the third on the team in targets was Kate Otten. Basically those first six games with Godwin and Evans, Godwin and Evans had 50% of the targets, and then Kate Otten had about a 16.5% target share. Evans had only a 22.3% target share,

but there were two games in those six that I never talk about. One game against Denver, where he got Sir Tanned, one game against New Orleans, and he is always terrible against New Orleans. He had three games in those six with more than 23 fantasy points in PPR. So when you talk about these small sample size,

you have to face Sir Tanned once, you have to face the team that always shuts you down once, makes your numbers look a lot worse. So I did want to bring that up. I guess, oh, it's just, oh, it's so hard to bet against Mike Evans. What a noise. You're right with with all that. It's just a question of will everybody be healthy? And how much of the what has it been two

of the last three years or two the last four? The late season push to get him his numbers. Like will that happen again? It certainly could if he's behind. But like he could still have a very solid season and see a little bit of a decline, if not a steep decline. And I think at this point, you know, I mean, he's talked about this, like this is the deepest receiving core he's ever been a part of. Most talented wide receiver

room, I think, is the words he used, which makes sense when you have Godwin back in addition of a first round wide receiver. And let's not overlook Jalen McMillan and the way he finished last year as well. So I know Heath has talked about this, the regression for Baker. And if he does come down a little bit after all career highs, plus his new offense coordinator. I know it's a guy that was on the staff, but he may have his own ideas and designs on getting K-dotting more involved or using Jalen McMillan in a different role and getting these guys' opportunities. We have no idea.

Liam Cohn was fantastic, which is why I think the opportunity for Travis Hunter is great and obviously Brian Thomas as well, based on the numbers you just gave Adam in terms of the targets for those top two guys in the beginning part of the season. So there's a lot to still like about Mike Evans but at his age with all the other guys there and just what your expectations are for him I think is going to determine how early you want to draft him. So Dave said he's taking a lot of them and that makes sense. If you're getting them at this price why wouldn't you take them at this cost?

I think everybody would. But if it's, you know, around earlier, which I think is where he'll probably, not around earlier, but you know, six, seven spots earlier, 10 spots earlier, whatever the case may be. Like when you start to compare them to some of these other guys, like for me,

I'm gonna take the upside of let's say, Metcalf for example, I think has a chance to have a better season than Mike Evans is here. So the other thing I think is interesting is that the name that's not on here. And it's because we don't know for sure about the health, but Chris Godwin's not here. Yeah. And Chris Godwin was considerably better than Mike Evans when they were both healthy last year. If Chris Godwin is, we think he's fully healthy at the end of August.

Isn't he going to be out of Mike Evans? is we think he's fully healthy at the end of August. Isn't he going to be out of Mike Evans? I just, again, I mean, I always go back to this. What does that mean, fully healthy? Because they're probably gonna say, oh, he's great. You know, he's good to go. But then we always, we often see these seasons where guys are just not the same.

Being fully healthy and then being fully back to form are different. So I don't know, I'm obviously not a doctor. This is the the same. Being fully healthy and then being fully back to form are different. So I don't know, I'm not a doctor, this is the tough part, but coming off a really bad injury, I am sure that Tony Pollard was quote, fully healthy, coming off a similar injury, not as bad, I don't think as as what Godwin had, but later in the year, right? His was in the playoffs, I think. But he just didn't regain his form coming off that broken ankle or broken leg, whatever it was for Pollard. But Jacko, same thing last year. Right. So it's like remember what Godwin did in 2023. He was coming off of a torn ACL.

And it took him a while to really get back into the player that we remembered him as. Yeah, I think even like a little kerfuffle on social media wasn't his wife involved in that where they said that he wasn't himself. And then that was near that was the game I believe was against Carolina. Yeah. Yeah. And, and it was, uh, I think the end of a streak, right? He had, he had a cash streak that ended in that game. I think he scored a rushing touchdown if I'm not mistaken. Um, yeah. was, you're right, Dave, it was something with one of his family members, met him with his wife. But the other thing with Godwin that makes me nervous is Ibuka's role is almost by design the same as what Godwin's is.

And we know that Godwin's been at his best when he's been in the slot or at least getting a lot of opportunities there. And if they kick him outside coming off the injury, how much does that maybe not again make him stink, but just brings back down what his high-end potential could be? As much as I worry about Evans and would love to see Godwin back to his point, being maybe the preferred option for this Tampa Bay passing game, I don't think I could rank Godwin ahead of Evans going into the season unless he just looks absolutely fantastic in camp by all accounts. Right.

Okay. I'm so glad you brought up that Carolina game because that was why I was kind of avoiding Mike Evans in drafts last season because the first because the last six or seven games yet the last seven games of that season, he was only on pace for 126 targets and Godwin was on pace for 141. And then the first six games of this season, Evans was on pace for 119 targets and Godwin was on pace for 140. So I'm trying to look up the numbers now, pro football references being very slow, but

that stretch of, I want to say 13 games from after that Carolina game. I mean, God, this is a low target time for Mike Evans and it all changed when Chris Godwin got her. So yeah, it was, it was really, I'm glad you mentioned that. All right. Anyway, we got to take a break a little late on that. So yeah. This is the last thing. Aren't the last thing. Aren't there some similarity there between the way we view Travis Kelsey's targets after Rushy Rice became a big part of the offense and early last year and Mike Evans targets after Godwin got healthy in early last year?

So I think the difference is back in 2023, Rushy Rice has this big stretch, right? Travis Kelsey was still getting a lot of targets. Then in the beginning of 2024, he was averaging, I think, four targets per game in the first three games. They get 11 targets in the first three games. So I would say like a longer stretch of low targets for Evans, but never as bad as Kelsey in 2024. Does that make sense?

Sure. Yeah. And I'll try to double check on that. I have it in my notes right here. So 2023, the last six games, Rashid Rice had 56 targets. Yeah, actually, no, you're right. Travis Kelsey had 40 targets. Travis Kelsey had an 18.2% target share in those last six games. And then it got even worse than that in the first three games of 2024. So thank you for bringing that up, Heath. Kelsey has been phased out. It had been phased out, basically, not necessarily intentionally until the Rice injury.

All right. Now we're going to take a break. Good points by you guys, good stuff. We'll be right back, tell you about the draft-a-thon and ways to get your question read on the air and the Toronto Argonauts and more of wide receivers in rounds three through five. We'll be right back.

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No, just sitting there in a tin. and I was like, Oh, last sausage. I'm gonna grab that. Yeah. Oh, you have a recommendation. I've always been a bratwurst fan. I don't know that I've ever had a bratwurst. I don't know if you'd like it. I did in a,

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Okay, so there's that. Also, if you're in the Scott Fishbowl, please read the rules. Holy cow. If you're doing it on Sleeper, you get two and a half points per reception. And I'm pretty sure you get half a point for a carry. So a workhorse running back who also catches passes,

that's a lot. If you're on My Fantasy League, you get a point per target and a point per catch as well. I don't know if any of us are playing on My Fantasy League, but you get a point per target and a point per catch and a half a point per carry on My Fantasy League and tight ends get an extra point per reception. So, and there's no, you don't have to start any position, right? Yep. You just start 11 starters, no more than two quarterbacks, but you could start nine running backs and you could start 11 tight ends. I don't think so. I think you could have this. I think I'm seeing here is zero to nine for wide receiver running back tight end.

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Good job by them. All right then. That's all I got for news and notes. So wide receivers in rounds three through five. I'd love to give you guys a Lad McConkey stat. Please. Here we go. Lad McConkey over the last 20 years

averaged the 10th most yards per game by a rookie wide receiver. If you look at the top 15, basically, I guess I'd say top 13. It's pretty much all stars. Here's the top 13 in yards per game as a rookie over the last 20 years, Odell Beckham, Justin Jefferson, Pukinakua, Jamar Chase, Malik Neighbors, Michael Thomas, Brian Thomas Jr., Marquez Colston, probably the worst player on this list is Marquez Colston, Julio Jones, Lad McConkey, A.J. Green.

He's in between Julio Jones and A.J. Green. Mike Evans, Keenan Allen, and then you get Chris Olave and Amari Cooper. I mean, it's just amazing. And of the guys who finished ahead of him in yards per game, Lad McConkey, there were nine of them, but two of them were rookies from last year as well, neighbors and Brian Thomas. So of the seven, six of them averaged more yards per game the year after. He's awesome. I think volume is volume the only thing that concerns us with Lad McConkey. and are you guys okay with him at the two,

three turn? Yes. To both questions. We, I feel like there's a little bit of Brian Thomas jr. Concern with lad McConkey because so late into the year, he was the best wide receiver that the chargers had and he took advantage of it. He had averaged almost 19 PPR points per game in his final seven, not including the playoffs. As you include the playoffs,

he was over 20 PPR points per game. And he was on a 153 target pace. I do worry about all the additions that the Chargers made this off season, hindering his target volume moving forward. Remember, it's not just Najee Harris and Omarion Hampton. It's also they drafted Trey Harris. Uh, they brought back Mike Williams for whatever that's worth.

Quentin Johnson is still on the team. Uh, there's talk about Aranda Gadsden. Maybe he gets two or three targets per game. The point is that I would be a little worried about Lad McConkey getting a 153 target season, which is what his pace was at the end of last year. So I dug up this stat. Tell me what you guys think of this.

There were eight games last year where the Chargers had 20 or more running back runs. In those games, McConkey averaged 16 PPR points per game. He scored six touchdowns. Everybody loves that. He had just six and a half targets per game. So super efficiency, one on touchdowns. Everybody loves that. He had just six and a half targets per game. So super efficiency, one on touchdowns. But the number that really sticks in my craw is going to be six and a half

targets per game. And if that's the expectation for him, then even I haven't ranked too high. I've got him as a top 12 receiver. I really love the talent. He can do anything that any wide receiver in this league can do. But if he's only going to get six and a half targets per game, that that's no good. Well, that's okay. That would be if they, if they had 20 or more running back carries in every game, right? Sure. But listen, there were nine games where they had 19 or fewer running back runs and he averaged 16.4 in those games, but his targets were 8.2. When did those games come in the season? They were throughout the season. It was whenever any Chargers, any, not any one charger running back, but the Chargers

overall had 20 plus running back runs. I guess I'm just curious because when Herbert was still dealing with the foot injury versus when Herbert was healthy. Sure. Chargers were 12th in running back carries per game last year, 22 per game. Almost every team average at least 20 per game. 24 of the 32 teams got to 20 running back carries per game. So that's not even that high of a benchmark. Yeah. They drafted Hampton. They brought in Najee. That's right. They want to get better at running the ball. All right. Let me,

let me make it more broad here. I've got three, I've got four wide receivers in this, in this list here that are being drafted in round three. And that would be lad, McConkey, Jackson Smith and Jigba T Higgins and Garrett Wilson for simplicity sake and organization sake. I'm going to take Adams and rice and make them 37th overall and put them in round four. So McConkie, JSN, T Higgins, Garrett Wilson, and they're all going in the first half of round three. Well, that's not quite true, but first two thirds of round three. Any values here that you...

We love T Higgins at 31. We think he's a second round pick. Anything here that really jumps out, Smith and Jigba and Garrett Wilson, we said earlier were not great values at 30 and 33 overall. Heath, how do you feel about them? When should JSN and Garrett Wilson go? Round four is fine. I think, but it,

like, I think if you really like one of them, take them at the end of round three is fine. But like I said, I think Ladd, Tee and Tyreek are in a tier above the rest of the wide receivers in this range. So I'd be more happy with them early in round three and the other guys be three, four turn of the earliest. Why not JSN guys? Why does anybody like JSN in round three?

And they're on three. I think concerns about a more run heavy offense, a quarterback downgrade and the whatever you think the chances, the potential that Cooper cup is the guy he was at the beginning of last year, not the guy he was at the end. Cooper cups presence is pushing JSN outside more often. And I don't, I don't love that form. I know that, I know that just because you line up wide, doesn't mean you have to always run a route 12 yards down the sideline. And he can, we're going to see JSN run a bunch of in-breaking routes when he's lining up wide, but I just not having the, the option routes, the versatility to go in

any direction. I think that's going to hurt them a little bit. So as long as Cooper cup is healthy, on top of the fact that he just mentioned there, they want to run the ball more. They've talked about it a ton. It makes me a little bit nervous about JSN. It makes me a hell of a lot more nervous about him in half and non PPR, but a little more nervous and full PPR. Okay. All right. Then let's go to the round four guys here. And that would be an interesting group. Rashid Rice, Devontae Adams, Marvin Harrison Jr. and Tyreek Hill. And Rice and Adams are at the three, four turn. So Rashid Rice, she writes, if I'm to Adams, Marvin Harrison, Jr. And Tyreke Hill, obviously Tyreke Hill. We, we love, we think he's, I, I'm sorry. Did I ask you guys earlier where you think Tyreke should go with two, three turnish? He's closer to there now. Yes.

I've got three, four terms, but if not a little three, four turn for he is two, three ish for Jamie. And what'd you say, Dave? I think he'll end up being right up there with Higgins and McConkey at the two three turn. Right. So Heath, if you have him in the same tier as Higgins and McConkey, where do you have Higgins and McConkey? If you have Tyreek Hill at the two three at the three four turn, I mean, I've got him at the at the the back of the term, but I have other guys in round three. So okay. Okay.

So just where's McConkey in your overall rankings and Higgins? Uh, McConkey is 33rd. Higgins is 25. Okay. I've got T at 23, McConkey 24, Tyree kill behind them. Okay. And I mean, do I say you're welcome for the Tyree kill love or do we just? No, you, you deserve a lot of credit for which you're welcome for the Tyree kill love or do we just know you? You deserve a lot of credit for that. You were ahead of the curve. You should say you're welcome for the John Smith trade. I know is what you should say. Yeah, I kind of felt I would have been a high guy on Hill without the John Smith, even if John Smith had not been traded. But also I did make the case on our last show.

Can Darren Waller not do what Tyree what John Smith did last year, a four and a half yard eight on or whatever, catch a bunch of balls at the line of scrimmage. You know, I feel like most people could do that. But all right. Anyway, Rashi Rice, Devante Adams, Marvin Harrison Jr. How do you rank those three, Jamie, Rashi Rice, Adams and Marvin Harrison Jr. Right now it's Adams, Rice, Marv, but Rice can easily jump ahead of Adams any day. How you guys feel about this group? Break it, break it down.

Good. It's a- Good value. All these guys have potential to finish top 10. Some of them have potential to finish top five. I'm talking just- I'm sorry, specifically Adams, Rice and Harrison. Oh, okay. Because they all scare me to varying degrees, but they all excite me too.

Yeah. Harrison doesn't excite me. He scares me the most. I don't like that he's put on weight. I'm nervous about what his role will turn into. I think he needs to have the type of volume that like Trey McBride had last year in order to push for a top 12 spot in fantasy. Go on, discuss Jamie, Heath, want to get in there? I mean, I think, I think the thing with Harrison, obviously, you know, we'll see how much the, the weight gain is, is a hindrance to him if it's going to, you know, slow him down by any stretch, but the fact that he scored eight touchdowns as a rookie, him if it's going to slow him down by any stretch. But the fact that he scored eight touchdowns as a rookie, I think it's something that hopefully he can build off of. And if he can get to that double digit number, that will certainly boost him in the right direction. He wants to obviously get better at contested catches and breaking

tackles, which is why I think he added the weight because it's all muscle. It's not Dibo Samuelite. So for a guy who was, I think I saw this morning, was 18th in contested catches last year, if he can get into that top 10 range and perform like some of the guys I know that you were concerned about last year, for example, Adam, like a Drake London, who doesn't necessarily separate as much but can win on some of those, then that certainly will help him even more. So this is the right range to take a chance on him with the hope that he's the guy that we were all promoting for the most part industry-wise as a top,

I'll say top 20 just to be conservative, top 20 overall pick, in some cases a first round pick. So the upside is still there, the potential is still there, the opportunity is still there because they did nothing to enhance their receiving core, which I think speaks volumes how much they feel about him, and even speaking to their coaching staff. There's a lot to love about the situation that Harrison is in, but he's got to prove

it. And so when you start to compare him to obviously the first two guys right behind him, I think you easily make the case that Tyree kill situation is better if he's right. And Terry McCorin's coming off arguably his best season. So I think those two guys should go ahead of him. Um, you know, and then you start the sliding scale of Mike Evans, his consistency, DK McCapp is upside, uh, and his opportunity, you know, Xavier worthy, what he did, you know, so, you know,

a lot of people have different opinions on it, but I think when you start to get to the round four range, the receivers that are on the board, and again, upside, Marvin Harrison Jr. has as much as anybody. It gets pretty interesting at this range of wide receiver. Once we get close to wide receiver 18 or so, and I'd love to have two guys that I don't really have question marks about, you know, and because we think running backs kind of deep, right? So taking advantage of that, maybe getting two of the top, let's see, and in this ADP Higgins is top is 17th or something like that to the top 17 ish wide receivers, just me speaking here. Um, and not having,

you know, not having Marvin Harrison Jr. Be my number two. Now, Tyree kill changes everything, but he'd be in that mix too. Uh, I'd love him to be my wide receiver too. Well, I think that's kind of the point though, of Adam's rice and Harrison at this range is you might have a wide receiver one, it doesn't really take that much imagination to see any of those guys as a wide receiver one. Correct. But you also might have a wide receiver three.

Well, you say that for rice is you say that for Rice just because he's coming back from the injury? Yeah. And there's, yeah, that's pretty much just it now. What gets me about Rice? I mean, to be fair, what Worthy did at the end of last season, you know, could certainly be a big problem for Rice. And we don't know know what marquis brown is going to bring to this offense Because we didn't see him healthy last year for the entirety of the season and now you have a you know What did what you say Travis Kelsey lost a hundred some pounds?

You have a more in shape Travis Kelsey and so the best of rice has been with the the start of the decline for Kelsey and the lack of the other guys being contributors or even on the field with him. So, this could easily be a problem for Rice. I tend to agree with you though Heath that this is, he should be the best receiver in this offense based on what we've seen from him his last 10 regular season games and what he did in the playoffs two years ago.

But again, coming back from the injury with all these other mouths to feed now and what if it's not a more, I don't want to say patch friendly, but you know, a more dynamic passing attack for the Chiefs. You know, we're still getting the same old or the last two years of what... Yeah, the A-Dot. Yeah, the dink and dunk stuff you mean? Right, there could be a lot of flaws in what happens to him, because again, if Worthy is better in their mind, then it's a huge problem for Rice. What gets me about Rice is that he's unlike anyone else.

You could say in football, I mean, he's so, such a low ADOT guy. He does almost nothing downfield. But on the rare occasion that they have thrown that he had a 44 yard touchdown catch last year where he just absolutely burned an outside cornerback. What? He doesn't know the corner played it poorly. Yeah, but he took a really nice step inside. He burned the guy off the line. It's great throw from the homes to look, you got to give him credit for it. I'm not going to poo poo it. Yeah.

He had a great catch on an overroute against Atlanta. He did. He can win downfield, but they don't use him that way or they didn't use him that way. Right. Last year, he was almost a compliment to the run game. He had a bunch of screens and short area targets, you know, slants right off the snap where he's getting the ball. And then he breaks a tackle,

Weinbacher tries to tackle him and he just, he skips right past him. He was great with Yak. And that really helped him out a lot. And that's what helped him buy a lot of targets early on. If the run game can't get going, that's going to be great for Rishi Rice. Cause then he'll have a chance to get way north

of seven targets per game. But they could use Worthy in a similar but they could use Worthy in a similar fact. They did use Worthy in a similar fashion toward the end of last season. And they can use Brown the same way. Kelsey's a short area target now and an easy guy. He's been an easy guy from a home to dump the ball off to. But at least we did see Rice last year have a couple of downfield hits that were really, really good. If he's healthy, if that knee is right, like they're saying, and he's good to go for training camp, it's just another reason to be excited about Rice.

Yeah. They just keep saying that they're going to throw the ball downfield more. But the thing is they can throw the ball downfield more and still throw the ball a lot underneath to Rishi Rice. We're downfield to Rishi Rice. He can be the second read. All right, let me get a break in here and we'll talk about Terry McLorin, Xavier Worthy,

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are PPR, is PPR ADP. It's Terry McLaurin, Xavier Worthy, DK Metcalf, Mike Evans, Travis Hunter, and DJ Moore. Terry McLaurin, Xavier Worthy, DK Metcalf, Mike Evans, Travis Hunter, and DJ Moore. I just wanna do a quick fantasy pros check. And McLaurin going 50th on our website, 32nd on fantasy pros. And yeah, I never see him go this late. The other guys, I mean, do you feel like you could buy

worthy Metcalf Evans, not Evans, worthy Metcalf Hunter and Moore being fifth round picks and McLaurin and Evans likely to be higher? Is that how you sort of perceive it right now? Yes. I guess it would be worthy getting up there too. I mean, this ADP is ADP, it is what it is, but we don't have that many drafts yet. So, all right, we'll see.

Anywho, who do you like best in this group of six? Who's your highest ranked? McLaurin. Reluctantly, it's Evans. Heath, talk about Terry McLaurin, what you like about him. Well, I think I've talked more about why he's not going to probably repeat what he did last year, but, um, he finally scored touchdowns last year because he finally got a really good quarterback.

And there's a chance that second year quarterback gets to throw a little bit more than he did last year. There's a chance that second year quarterback improves as a passer. Hopefully McLaurin's target share is not impacted by Debo Samuel because McLaurin really didn't have enough targets to justify his fantasy production last year, which is why I think you see him in round four and not in at the two, three turn where last year's production may justify. So the question really is, is there a volume increase to make up for the near certain touchdown regression that's coming?

Yeah. Terry McLaurin had 13 touchdowns. He had 117 targets in 17 games. Um, I kind of get rid of the first two games cause Jayden Daniels didn't seem to know what he was doing. And then after that, you know, Daniel's figured it out. But even even then it's 119 target pace and the red zone and green zone targets didn't really go up. What did go up were the end zone targets. And he had a career high catch rate on his end zone targets. 69% catch rate on his end zone targets is very, very good. But yeah, I mean, at the other end, like, do we think,

do we think that Jaden Daniels can be better than 4,000 yards and 28 touchdowns? Because that was basically, that was his pace after week two. Yes. I have a projection for 4,228. Right, I think that that's, I think he can be better than 4,228. Right. I think that that's, I think he can be better than 4,028, but as Heath is projecting, not

much better than that. Okay. And remember, you know, you mentioned more pass attempts Heath, when Cliff Kingsbury had Kyler Murray, this guy threw the ball a ton. 35 or more pass attempts per game basically. And DeAndre Hopkins obviously benefited from it. All right. So McLaurin Evans, you said Dave is your favorite McLaurin second for you. I think he's actually going to be third for me. This is this is the set that always gives me the

heebie-jeebies on Terry McLaurin is that last year, 29% of his PPR fantasy production was touchdowns. And if you adjust his touchdowns from 13 to eight, eight would be the second most of his career. He's averaging 14 PPR points per game. And I know he was great on end zone targets and, and that was awesome. I just can't help but feel like they've got more options this year with what they can do down there compared to last year. And so I, I just, I don't want to, I don't want to spend too, I don't

want to spend a big pick on Terry McLaurin. If he falls into my lap, we're talking late round 4, round 5, I'm good with it. But another player that I just don't want to draft too close to a ceiling, whereas Evans, the biggest strike against him is that he's old. The next strike against him is what happened early on last year. And that could come back to haunt us, no question about it. But if he's healthy for camp, he's gonna be the go-to. He's the alpha in the offense still, I believe that. And if he's the go-to guy for- Well, he wasn't last year.

What? He wasn't the alpha last year. When they were both- In the early going, he wasn't. But I think push comes to shove, they need a big play. They're calling Evans number. A big play for sure. In the end zone to what was the

percentage on McClellan? 29%. So 27.5% of Mike Evans PPR points were touchdowns. He's done it more. But we've seen it from before. And I'm not expecting Evans is in that exact same boat. I just I feel a little bit safer with him than I do McLaurin. And I get it if you don't, I totally do. So follow up Dave. I'm leaning that way. You have Evans ahead of McLaurin.

You said McLaurin is going to be third. Who's the other guy that you have ahead of McLaurin in this? I have Worthy in there just because he has built in upside. If the chiefs follow through with attacking downfield, this is who's going to be the biggest benefactor of all. He's the, he's the main guy in this offense that has speed. I know Hollywood Brown has speed, too. But he proved it as recently as his very last game in the Super Bowl, where he can just, he, it doesn't matter who's covering him, he can outrun them. And then on top of that, and we saw it

throughout the year, he's got great variety to his routes. And it wouldn't take much for him to see to do well and be hyper efficient even if it's six and a half targets per game and he gets carries on top of that. So I'm definitely going to tap into some of Xavier worthy in my drafts this year but he's right in that range of receivers in that late round for early round five that I would target as a number two fantasy receiver. There's um there's's like four guys, I think, unless I'm forgetting somebody, but they all feel like they have a very similar profile because of the touchdowns and it's McLaurin, it's Evans, I put Metcalf there and Cortland Sutton. And it's like, if you like that type of player who the targets could obviously vary to a certain

degree. The catches are going to vary to a certain degree. They'll probably be, you know, 11, 1200 yards, but they're double digit touchdown guys, right? Sutton's not here. Right. You're saying wait for Sutton. I would. I mean, if that's the type of player you're looking to draft based on cost, like Sutton's done it for two years in a row.

It makes sense. And Sutton finished the season so strong as as Bo Nicks got better. Now they did at Evan Ingram. But yeah, no, that's it's a good point. Actually, I was going to ask a more general question about this group, Jamie. So let's say the draft unfolds in a way where you only have one wide receiver and Adams and Rice and Harrison and Tyree killer off the board. So now this group of McLaurin, Worthy, Metcalf, Evans, Hunter, DJ Moore are going to be your number two receiver. And I guess I'll say we're in a three receiver league here. Either way, how do you feel about these guys being your number two receiver? Because they are in the top 24. They're just not as glamorous as some of the other guys ahead of them.

Do you take two of them? What do you do if you only have one wide receiver as you get to round five? I would probably look to take two of them. So just based on at this point, so we're four rounds, you're saying this is round four and five around? This is round five. And I still get two of them? I mean, well, that's a good point.

Would you take, if you, one of them leaked into round six, would you take two of them? Well, yeah, but I would probably, I have Sutton ranked ahead of a few of these guys, so I would probably look to go that route and you know, Jerry Judy comes into play as well, you know, so there are, there are some receivers that aren't listed here that I think I could still get, you know, in, in round five and round six. But yes, I think at this point, if I only have one wide receiver, um, I probably drafted, I'll say one of the top two tight ends, you know, maybe George Kittle, but,

and I, and I, you know, went against what my typical strategy would be, would be to probably take two running backs as well. So yeah, I would, I would be chasing receiver at this point, you know, based on how I like to build my rosters. So yes, if I can get two of these guys that, if they're top 24 and, you know, based on my rankings. Yeah, absolutely. But if this, in that scenario also, like you're talking about, you've either got two elite running backs and either an elite quarterback or tight end, or you have both an elite quarterback and tight end and, and like, yeah, and an elite running back. So I'm okay. And I agree.

Like I would take Sutton over all of these guys in round five, except for McLaurin. And I think if you can get him in round six, that's pretty fantastic. We haven't talked about DJ Moore yet, but I think he almost fits in that Marvin Harrison Jr. Devante Adams group of might be a wide receiver one, might be a wide receiver three. Oh my gosh. I can't stand DJ Moore.

He's hard enough to analyze. Well, he's hard enough to analyze if you look at his career before they drafted Luther Burden and Colston Loveland, right? And then they have those two guys that it's just like, who is DJ Moore? But I think the last two guys on this list, Travis Hunter and DJ Moore are the two

that we've spoken very little about. So we'll get to them. Let's do a quick exercise. Do you see top 12 upside for the following players? I'm just gonna read them in order of these round five wide receivers. You see top 12 upside for Terry McLaurin. And by the way, in full PBR,

even with the 13 touchdowns last year, he was wide receiver 16 per game. But Terry McLaurin, yes or no? No. No, not realistic. Xavier worthy. No, no, close. But no. I do. I thought it's not super realistic, but it involves my homes having a big year. And worthy is just arguably the

fastest wide receiver in football. The Chiefs know how to make that awesome, right? It's true. It's true. DK Metcalf, top 12 potential? No. Yes from Heath. I said no. I said yes.

Yes from Jamie. Yep. That's bold. He's only done that once. He's got to watch the recording. Again. Roger's history. Okay. Mike Evans. Yes. Yes. How can we say no to this? It does it almost every year. I know. Well, he was 11th on a per game basis last year. That is right about where he could end up this year. Yeah, I guess. And maybe if we're considering injury possibilities for Evans, like Godwin not being okay, then we should do the same for others. And I should say yes more often.

Like if everybody's healthy, I don't think that's realistic. I think there's just a difference between again, healthy and Godwin's coming off an injury and like somebody like Rushy Rice. No, the Z like the Rushy Rice and Chris Goblin are the most comparable guys. But I'm not saying oh, there's an injury to Debo Samuel, there's an injury to Brian Thomas Jr. You know what I mean? I'm saying guys that are coming back, you're not making up an injury. I'm just saying guys that might not perform that well because of last year's injury. Travis Hunter top 12 upside? No.

Yeah, that would be a little surprising. But he's Travis Hunter, right? No, yeah, I think I wouldn't want to put any limitations on what Travis Hunter could do on a football field. It's true. DJ Moore, top 12 upside? Including a cornerback. Yes.

No, no, DJ Moore, no. Two yeses and a no for DJ Moore. All right, who do you guys like better, Travis Hunter or DJ Moore? Let's finish with these two guys. Moore. Moore. Moore is my second favorite player in this round.

Oh, all right, let's talk about that then. Sell me on it. I don't, like I think that it's still a bit of a mystery box in terms of who the wide receiver one's going to be for the bears and that's why DJ Moore falls. But the fact that Luther Burden missed almost everything this summer and Colston Loveland did the same, I think that matters for rookie pass catchers. And if DJ Moore ends up in that wide receiver role, one role for Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams is just not terrible.

Then holy cow, how good could DJ Morphe? Can you imagine DJ Moore with all those Amunra St. Brown targets and then working after the catch as he has throughout partial times of his career? Yeah, it'd be great. Anyone, anyone want to add anything to DJ Moore, the most confusing player in the fantasy enigma? Can I call him that the fantasy enigma DJ Moore?

Sure. I mean, I think he's nailed it. You know, it's, it's a big mystery right now. You know, do and say is getting a lot of love and he could easily be that guy, you know, burden and Loveland can come back healthy and camp and, you know, anything that, you know, the, uh, the motivating tools that Ben Johnson is using in the media for Burden, you know, can certainly, you know, come to fruition and he comes out and he balls out in camp. Um, a lot depends on obviously Caleb Williams, you know,

playing like the number one overall pick with three offensive linemen upgrades that hopefully will keep him from getting sacked at a record pace. But I mean, obviously, DJ Moore is the most proven guy in this receiving core and has shown the ability to do well with different quarterbacks at times, to do well with different systems at times. And to your point, Adam, it's hard to sort of finger on what, what exactly he's going to be. But at this cost, it's fantastic, you know, to take a chance on him. And, you know, even last year when they made the coaching change, you know, we started to see him get fed targets. I know it wasn't exactly the best targets, but he was getting fed targets and that

could still be the case once again. So, um, I think just given, you know, the, the potential and it's, it's worth taking chances on Odunze at his cost and even burden at his cost, but Ben Johnson decides that DJ Moore is that guy and it's still the same front office and ownership. They paid DJ Moore last year a pretty hefty contract, so they probably still believe in him. I think he's easily, at this price to take a chance. I agree. And I do, I worry about him because they could go the other way. And when you, when you talked about Ben Johnson motivating through the media, I thought you were talking about how he kind of called out DJ Moore for loafing it

at times last year and having bad body language on the field and he wants him motivated, but the thing that stands out to me, his, his targets after, I don't know what Shane Walden was thinking last year with DJ Moore. After he got fired, DJ Moore's targets went up by 2 per game. His A-dot fell by about 4 yards per game. His PPR points went from 11.1 to 17.3. I'm hoping that he's used a little bit more explosively, but still gets a lot of volume. He's averaging the neighborhood of eight targets per game each of the last two seasons, just with very different results. This is yet another receiver that you're drafting closer to the floor than the ceiling. And that makes me feel okay taking him in this range. He's not going to be my favorite in this range. I worry about the upside,

but he can still be a quality number two fantasy receiver. I like that you said you drafting DJ Moore closer to his floor than his ceiling. Cause he's look 56 is a great value for him, but wide receiver 24 is another way to look at it. Cause usually wide receiver 24 is off the board well before pick 56. Like I said, the CBS ADP is not so high on wide receivers, but wide receiver 24 here in this is PPR ADP. This is where DJ Moore has finished in the last six seasons. He's been in the league seven years. Last six seasons, this is DJ Moore per game in PPR.

13th, 25th, nope, that's overall. This is per game, sorry. 14th, 26th, 26th, 36th, 9th, and 27th. So only once has DJ Moore been worse than wide receiver 27 per game in PPR. And that's great when you're taking him 24th. But only twice has he been better than 26th per game. That's why he's kind of an enigma.

And I don't think he's just some safe player. I think he's obviously really good and has big upside, but for some reason, well, not for some reason, he's been on bad passing offense for most of his career. Four straight years where he's been on a team that's been bottom five in gross passing yards per game. There's a lot going on with DJ Moore. It's kind of a tricky one to analyze in my opinion.

Where did you say he finished last year in PPR points per game? 27th. Okay. Yeah, that's close to where I was at. Four games with 16 plus. And 33rd and non PPR. And he was one of, he's one of seven wide receivers over the last five years with 130 or more targets in a year and fewer than a thousand yards. He and Wondell Robinson did that last year. I mean, just it was a terrible year. Well, their quarterback play was similar. Yeah. That's the thing. And

we're projecting a leap for Caleb Williams. If it doesn't happen, like if it doesn't happen and you're taking no, but right now, you know, Xavier worthy is going ahead of DJ more. But if you're going to take DJ more over Xavier worthy, you're running a big risk of betting on Caleb Williams over Patrick Malhulms. I don't, there's not a safe wide receiver in this round. I don't think I guess at my point, I were, I'm terrified by Terry McLaurin. If he has the same targets as last year, but has a touchdown regression, we all

expect there's a huge risk that Rushy rice comes back and just earns nine targets a game and Xavier worthy is the big play guy and that's pretty much it. DK Metcalf is on an Arthur Smith offense. Mike Evans is 32 and could have Chris. What if Chris Godwin's fully healthy and he has the same targets here he did last year? Travis Hunter might be a cornerback. I don't think he, for the record, I think Hunter will play a ton of wide receiver this year. I did too.

Very pessimistic view of round five. No, I'm just saying that I don't think you should hold DJ Moore's floor against him in comparison to the other guys that are being drafted ahead of him because they all have terrifying risks. And if you've heard the whole show and you kind of get grossed out by a lot of the names, then you should probably be a zero RB drafter this year. Collect as many of those top 15 wide receivers as you can. I think what do you think about the strategy of going well, I

don't really know who I like in this group. They're all kind of risky. I'm going to go with the bet with my favorite quarterback. And maybe that's not my homes. And maybe that's Baker Mayfield. Maybe it's take Mayfield in this range. No, I'm so sorry. That was a really stupid way of putting it. I meant my favorite with Hertz. No, no, my favorite quarterback attached to one of these wide receivers. Oh, and maybe that's not, maybe that's not my homes with worthy.

Maybe that is Mayfield with Evans. Maybe you think it's Trevor Lawrence with Travis Hunter. You just go for the best passing offense. Also, I think Mayfield slash my homes is the perfect example of guys that are pro actually potentially available. I don't think Jalen hurts is going to be available in round five of very many real fantasy football draft. Right. No. Um, but no, I said that poorly, but thank you for calling me out on that.

Also, but just like draft Portland Sutton. Yeah. Maybe the goal is you just lump them all together in the same tier and you take the last guy or you target the last guy as late as you can. I, uh, I'm a little nervous about Bo Nix though. I I've seen some stuff on social media. I've seen Dan Schneier break it down where Bo Nix, you know, ran the Sean Peyton offense very well, but when things broke down,

when he didn't have a lot of time in the pocket, it didn't go so great. He threw a lot of balls, like at the line of scrimmage. Maybe it's because I kind of had my doubts on Bo Nix going in. And maybe he could be bad and Coraline Sutton could still have a really solid year. But again, you know, if you just,

you might look back and go, geez, I really should have just taken Xavier worthy because I missed out on this Patrick Mahomes. This opportunity, this is the opportunity in the draft, whether it's Rice worthy Mahomes or Kelsey to get a piece of the chief's offense if you're into the chief's offense. Well, it's also like if you,

if you plan your draft accordingly, like this could be your third receiver, which is minimizing the risk, especially with such a deep running back group. Fine. Give me each of you give me 10 seconds on Travis Hunter. Well, that's easy. Liam Cohen, Liam Cohen, maximizing his top two wide receivers last year. Like that's the upside for Travis Hunter.

Ultimate mystery box. I think he's gonna get volume. Anything is possible. I think he's gonna get volume. I bet he's gonna be involved in the red zone, a solid amount. I don't know how well they'll be able to run the ball. Look for him to get in the neighborhood

of seven targets per game. Be a good borderline number two wide receiver. Sorry that was longer than 10 seconds. Unbelievable. All right. So far in my Scott fishbowl draft, Bijan Robinson and Malik neighbors are off the board. Malik neighbors. I've got Josh Allen and Saquon Barkley off the board.

Okay. Someone did us a solid and took Saquon early. Wow. Yeah. I don't think you should take a running back. It's not going to catch a lot of balls. He could catch more this year, but targets and catches are key. All right.

Thanks everybody very much. We appreciate it. We will talk to you tomorrow with rounds six through eight of our wide receiver ADP. Have a great day and go to our Draftathon page. The link is in the episode description. And we'll see you tomorrow. Oh, we'll see you at 1 o'clock, CBS Sports Network. Bye. Now streaming... When people go missing, I get hired to help find them. When lives are on the line...

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