Fantasy Football Today - Year 2 and Year 3 WRs! Can the Sophomores Break Out? (06/08 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Episode Date: June 8, 2021

We've got news on Cam Akers (1:40), Ben Roethlisberger (3:05) and Gus Edwards (5:00) before we get into the Year 2 and Year 3 WRs. What, if anything, could hold Justin Jefferson back (9:30)? How close... are CeeDee Lamb and Brandon Aiyuk (14:55)? ... Last season, we saw a few Year 2 WRs break out in a big way. Will that happen again in 2021 (22:00)? Moving on to the Year 3 guys, can we move DK Metcalf ahead of A.J. Brown (31:00)? ... We talk a lot about sleepers (35:00) and Dynasty targets (39:15). Do we still care about Jalen Reagor or N'Keal Harry? ... Your emails at fantasyfootball@cbsi.com Fantasy Football Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox, and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Follow our FFT team on Twitter: @FFToday, @AdamAizer, @JameyEisenberg, @daverichard, @heathcummingssr, @ctowerscbs, @BenSchragg Watch FFT on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/fantasyfootballtoday Join our Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/groups/FantasyFootballToday/ Sign up for the FFT newsletter https://www.cbssports.com/newsletter You can listen to Fantasy Football Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Football Today podcast." To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:21 Touchdown. Oh, he's done it again. Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, Heath, and Beck. Is there any stopping Justin Jefferson in his second season? Can we move DK Metcalf ahead of AJ Brown now? Let's talk about Chase Claypool, Deontay Johnson. Those two guys are in today's discussion. We're talking about year two and year three wide receivers and maybe some sleepers as well like Gabriel Davis, or I don't know if there's still any love for Jalen Rager out there. It's going to be a fun show.
Starting point is 00:01:49 We're going to talk about these exciting young wide receivers and some that might not really be on your radar right now. We've got a four-man booth today. Adam Azer, Jamie Eisenberg, Heath Cummings, Chris Towers. We also have some news to get to and your emails at fantasyfootball at cbsi.com. Heath, what did you put on the smoker this weekend? A tri-tip for the first time ever. It was a different process than I'd ever used before also.
Starting point is 00:02:14 I smoked it for about two hours at 225 degrees and then put it on direct heat and seared it. So it was a little bit overdone, probably more towards medium than medium rare, but the flavor was delicious. I would have sent it back. So what, am I supposed to know what tri-tip is? It's beef.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Okay. Did everybody know that? Jamie, did you know that? Yeah. Okay. Everybody knew that. Great. So let's talk about Cam Akers. Sean McVay says Cam Akers is going to be their punter this year. He said he's going to line him up.
Starting point is 00:02:52 He can catch passes out of the backfield. They can use him in the slot. They can use him out wide. Chris, what was your reaction? I know you've had some concerns about Cam Akers' role in the passing game. Did this do anything for you, these comments by Sean McVay? I mean, I saw some comments from Greg Roman that they're doing the same thing with JK Dobbins. Najee Harris was lining up in the slot. I don't know. It's all talk until we actually see it. But
Starting point is 00:03:18 the thing with the Rams is we do have evidence that they'll use their running backs in the passing game in the, in the Todd Gurley era Gurley era they were never you know he was never Christian McCaffrey but um you know he was like 50 to 60 catches at his peak um or at least pacing for that and you know that's the difference between like when Greg Roman says that about J.K. Dobbins I definitely dismiss that because the Ravens have never used their running backs in the passing game, and I have no reason to believe they will. With Akers, I could see it happening, sure. Yeah, this is a guy who is pretty hyped right now. He is a top 10 pick.
Starting point is 00:03:57 He's a top 12 pick. He's a top 10 running back in NFC, going just ahead of Austin Eckler, Aaron Jones, Najee Harris, behind Nick Chubb. So a lot of Cam Akers enthusiasm, and yes, we do hope that he's used in the passing game. Jamie, Ed Bouchette of The Athletic said that Ben Roethlisberger's elbow should be stronger this season than it was in 2020.
Starting point is 00:04:17 And also that offense we saw last year basically, you know, was I guess a result of the elbow, or at least partially. So I know we've talked about this a lot. It seems like there's a Roethlisberger story every day, basically was, I guess, a result of the elbow, or at least partially. I know we've talked about this a lot. It seems like there's a Roethlisberger story every day, but you want to chime in real quick? It is very interesting that depending on the day and the analyst and the site and whatever you're listening to, whatever podcast you're listening to, whatever story you're reading, that there's love for Deontay Johnson,
Starting point is 00:04:43 Jujutsu Mishustu,, chase Claypool and Najee Harris. And we're all counting on a 38 year old quarterback who says his elbow feels good to make this all work. You can't love all these guys. If you don't have some semblance of trust in Roethlisberger to some level of degree, whether it's as bad as he was last year, and that's going to be the floor.
Starting point is 00:04:59 And that's what you're going to expect from all these guys, or he's going to be better. And it's going to help all these guys improve to whatever level and Najee Harris step into the NFL and be a very good if not great fantasy running back so I hope Roethlisberger's fine I'm not drafting Roethlisberger nor are you as a number one quarterback but he has sleeper appeal certainly in two quarterback and super flex leagues and if he is anything close to what he was pre-injury you're going to have one of the biggest deals in fantasy because of all the weapons he has around him to what he was pre-injury, you're going to have one of the biggest deals in fantasy because of all the weapons he has around him and what he showed you before he got hurt.
Starting point is 00:05:29 So I hope his elbow is stronger. I hope that that's the case. But until I see a change or I see something different, I'm going to buy what he was last year and just hope that it helps all the guys around him still be able to produce at a high level. Would you guys rather have Ryan Fitzpatrick or Ben Roethlisberger? Fitzpatrick. Ryan Fitzpatrick or Ben Roethlisberger? Fitzpatrick. Probably Fitzpatrick.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Yeah, I currently have Fitzpatrick higher, but they are definitely in the same ballpark. All right. The old ballpark. Baltimore signed Gus Edwards to a two-year $10 million extension. Heath, that's not an insignificant amount of money. It's Kenya and Drake money, right? If you include his current year,
Starting point is 00:06:12 so this is a two-year extension that goes through 2023. If you include his current salary, this is the 13th most money that any running back is currently owed. What does that tell you, Heath? Well, that it's not going to be a situation where I don't believe J.K. Dobbins is going to get 55, 60 percent of the team's carries because we know Lamar Jackson is going to be at 25 to 30 percent of the carries.
Starting point is 00:06:40 And the way that Dobbins becomes a top 12 running back is he could have the extreme efficiency season that Mark Ingram had a couple of years ago, or he could see a big increase in volume. And one of those two things doesn't seem to be near as likely any longer. Gus Edwards is still a pretty good option, especially in best ball leagues, because it's tough to know when he's going to score or when he's going to break off the long run or when they're going to have a three score lead. And so he's going to get 15 carries that week. But I think he's, I think he's a pretty decent option as a, as a bench running back. And man,
Starting point is 00:07:17 if something happens to Dobbins, Edwards could absolutely be a league winner. Just to kind of tie in what we talked about on the Monday show. I think it was the Monday show. The last show with Dave. Yeah. Where, you know, once you get past the elite group of running backs, the ones you're taking in the first two rounds,
Starting point is 00:07:37 and then the dead zone guys. And when you start to get into the middle rounds and toward the end of your draft, if you're not looking at guys like Daryl Henderson and Gus Edwards, you're making a huge mistake in how you play because these are guys that are in unbelievable situations should the starter go down and they're going to play along with the starter. And so Gus Edwards has showed you what he can be if he gets minimal opportunities. Imagine if he got feature opportunities and Daryl Henderson has shown you what he could be when he gets feature opportunities.
Starting point is 00:08:07 We don't know how it's all going to work because we didn't see Henderson healthy with Akers when he was at his best. So it's going to be smart of you, especially if you don't take running backs early, to target guys like this and Jamal Williams and Latavius Murray and guys that are going to play and have the chance to be stars.
Starting point is 00:08:24 And I say that in quotes, but in their situations, if they get the chance to get those starter opportunities. Yeah, I would throw A.J. Dillon in there. A.J. Dillon's another one. The thing with Edwards, and I looked this up last year, I think when, was it the Pittsburgh, the second Pittsburgh game, I think, when Dobbins had COVID.
Starting point is 00:08:44 Edwards, when he's had, you know, I think it was 12 carries. He's been a fine fantasy option, but it's been more like a mid to low end RB two. And, and I wrote about Dobbins and whether he has the upside and whether, you know, Gus Edwards contract extension matters. That's that'll be up on cbs fantasy cbs sports.com
Starting point is 00:09:05 slash fantasy sometime when after you read this and i kind of view both of them no matter you know whether dobbins is the lead back as we expect or whether edwards gets the opportunity to be the lead back for some reason i kind of view both of them as like low floor low ceiling players where, you know, because neither really has the 25 carry in a game upside or the five catches in or seven catches in a game upside that you usually want for like a high upside running back. I think both of them, when they get that opportunity, it's more like, I know I'm going to have a good player, but I, it's, it'll be harder for them to be,
Starting point is 00:09:45 you know, truly elite backs. Yeah. Hope you'd hope that they would turn one loose, but it just, it doesn't happen. It's a good point. All right.
Starting point is 00:09:54 So I want to talk about these young wide receivers. Let's do it first. I want to tell you that on Tuesday night, that's tonight for most of you. We are going to be live on YouTube, youtube.com slash fantasy football today. And by the way, you can watch all of our shows on youtube.com slash fantasy football today.
Starting point is 00:10:07 But this is live, taking your questions and doing a mock draft. And yeah, ask away any questions you have. And we'll be giving away a year-long subscription to Sportsline during the draft. So subscribe to youtube.com slash fantasy football today. And we will see you, YouTube youtube at 7 p.m eastern time first question i have for you i started the show with it is there any stopping justin jefferson heath i'll give you the first word i don't know exactly what you mean by that i don't either i don't i don't think that uh justin jefferson is very likely to be quite as efficient as he was in terms of yards per target.
Starting point is 00:10:49 So if he's going to match the production that he had last year, he's going to need an increase in targets, and he may just get that. I do think the Vikings' defense improved just a little bit. Let's see, he had 1,400 yards last year. I think I have him projected for slightly under that this year um but he's a solid number one wide receiver yeah 1364 who has a chance to be like i think he's he is a very good argument to be the number one dynasty wide receiver right now yeah he did it he had exactly 1400 yards in 16 games he kind of came on strong late. He was good for most of the year,
Starting point is 00:11:27 but last eight games, he had 773 yards on 81 targets. First eight games, he had only 44 targets. So yeah, you mentioned the defensive defense. Hopefully, it could be a lot better. They're going to have two different starting defensive tackles. They've upgraded their secondary. They were a top 11 defense six straight years before last year,
Starting point is 00:11:47 and then they were pretty bad. But even still, they were only 27th in the NFL in pass attempts. Jamie, what do you think could derail Justin Jefferson, who's going to be most likely a second-round pick? You drafting him and dropping him for a stupid running back? Let's check
Starting point is 00:12:04 the updated Twitter poll. Did you guys vote on this? Heath and Chris, you probably don't even know the answer. Who did I drop Justin Jefferson for? No, I did not see that one. Okay, here are your four options. I dropped him after week two for a running back. Who did I drop him for?
Starting point is 00:12:19 Mike Davis, Miles Gaskin, Naheem Hines, or Peyton Barber? I'm going to say Peyton Barber. I'm going to say Naheem Hines. Most people said Naheem Hines, or Peyton Barber? I'm going to say Peyton Barber. I'm going to say Naheem Hines. Most people said Naheem Hines, 48%. It was Peyton Barber. Peyton Barber is the correct answer there. That would be a bad thing for Justin Jefferson if we're at any point dropping it for Peyton Barber.
Starting point is 00:12:41 Yeah, I don't know. What about Adam Thielen's role? I think the thing that you got to be concerned about is Mike Zimmer getting too much involved in the offense. I like what he said earlier this offseason that he has to sort of evolve with the times
Starting point is 00:12:57 and understand that it's not just the defense and run game NFL anymore. I hope Clint Kubiak, Gary Kubiak's son, has a little bit, you know, I don't know, different approach because obviously it worked really well for Justin Jefferson, but a different approach in terms of not necessarily, you know, allowing Zimmer to sort of go back
Starting point is 00:13:19 to we just have to run the ball and play defense. Kirk Cousins played really well last year, and the passing game played really well last year. This wasn't an offensive problem with this team. This was a defensive problem with this team. And so Jefferson, you know, there's now target on him. There are eyes on him. There are defensive players that are gunning for him
Starting point is 00:13:36 because of how good he is. You know, it's going to come down to, you know, he could have a very good season, but the touchdowns escape him. You know, he doesn't score as much, and we don't get to see the dances and the fun stuff. So, yeah, you know, there could be good play, but, you know, just natural regression. But I still think you have to buy into what he showed you last year and what his role is on this team and hopefully continues to flourish as opposed to regress.
Starting point is 00:14:00 We know there's kind of an obvious analog here. This is the exact same discussions we were having about aj brown a year ago i mean the titans offense is a little less pass heavy but well he can't sustain the efficiency but the volume will increase he's i just think you bet on the talent he was just a lot better than aj brown was. Was he? Yes. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe for the whole season. But once A.J. Brown got going,
Starting point is 00:14:33 A.J. Brown was a wide receiver one for the second half of the season. Oh, they were both great. But I mean, Justin Jefferson was historical. He really was. I mean, that's the thing. He did. You got to put him in the conversation. When you look at players who could finish
Starting point is 00:14:43 as wide receiver one, personally, I feel like you have to put him in that conversation. I you look at players who could finish as wide receiver one, personally, I feel like you have to put them in that conversation. I don't know if you guys feel that way. Do you think that this is a player that could realistically finish as the number one wide receiver? Yeah, I think he would have to do it on elite efficiency,
Starting point is 00:14:59 you know, kind of the way we're expecting AJ Brown to be, you know, that kind of receiver where he could finish his wide receiver one he's gonna have to do it you know he's not gonna have a michael thomas 2019 season you know where it's just overwhelming volume he's gonna have to be you know an eight to ten percent touchdown rate guy he's gonna have to be you know 10 yards per target probably to get there but it's certainly doable okay i I guess we've said it sort of,
Starting point is 00:15:25 but just the stats that could hold back Justin Jefferson, Kirk Cousins, 26.1 pass attempts per game, first eight games, 38.4 last eight games. I might be a little off on that second one, but I know the first one's right, 26.1. So yeah, if it's back to 26... You think of games where Kyle Rudolph did not play?
Starting point is 00:15:43 No. I feel like it's a typo. where Kyle Rudolph did not play, uh, I feel like it's a typo. I think it was 33.4, but I'll double check. Uh, but yeah, you don't want to see them throwing 26 times per game. Okay. That's the first question. Is there any stopping Justin Jefferson? Second question.
Starting point is 00:15:55 Who is your number two? I think I know the answer, but let's talk about it. Who is your number two sophomore wide receiver, Jamie? CD lamb. You know, you just look at the way he performed in the beginning of the season when Dak was healthy, you know, obviously tailed off,
Starting point is 00:16:09 but the entire offense tailed off, but you know, just based on pedigree and clearly the offense that he plays in and, you know, hopefully the volume of this pass offense continues based on what we saw last year when Dak was healthy. So for me, he's the second guy,
Starting point is 00:16:21 but you know, there's, there's a lot of contenders, but he's easy too for me right now. It was 38.4. I was right about Kirk Cousins. Yeah. All right, so does everybody have CeeDee Lamb
Starting point is 00:16:33 as their number two, year two wide receiver behind Justin Jefferson? I have Lamb one spot ahead of Brandon Ayuk in full PPR, and I have Ayuk one spot ahead of Lamb in non-PPR. Oh, interesting. So basically a push, like within a half a point of each other. So yeah, I think Lamb's probably the best bet,
Starting point is 00:16:57 but Ayuk was pretty special. He really was. My goodness. Last seven games of the year, he was the number three wide receiver in fantasy on pace for over 100 catches, more than 1,300 yards, and nine touchdowns. Chris, how about you? Are you lamb?
Starting point is 00:17:15 Yeah, lamb. There's maybe a point and a half per game gap between him and Ayuk for number two. All right, Heath, let's explore that a little bit because I'll check ADP right now. I don't think they're going to be all that close, Lamb and Ayuk. No, Lamb is I think a top 14 wide
Starting point is 00:17:36 receiver in ADP. He's going ahead of Amari Cooper, which is interesting. Lamb, okay, yeah. So we're looking at NFC since May 1st. Lamb is 14th. Cooper is 15th. They're back-to-back. And Ayuk is 26th.
Starting point is 00:17:49 Wide receiver, 26th. We can all agree that we like Ayuk better at his cost than Lamb at his cost, right? Not necessarily. I don't know. What do you got, JV, Chris? So that's round four for Lamb, round six for Ayuk. I think it's right.
Starting point is 00:18:08 Which value do you prefer? I'll take Lamb. Lamb? Yeah, I think I might be closer on Lamb than Ayuk. All right, Heath, let's go on. Tell me why so high on Ayuk. I get what it is. It's that we think CD Lamb is going to be better than he was last year because he has Dak Prescott, andDee Lamb is going to be better than he was last year
Starting point is 00:18:25 because he has Dak Prescott, and Brandon Ayuk is going to be worse than he was last year because George Kittle is going to be healthy. And Debo. On a per-game basis. And that's probably where we have some disconnect. I just don't think Debo Samuel is near as good a wide receiver as Brandon Ayuk. He's going to do all the running back pass catching stuff
Starting point is 00:18:45 and all the reverse stuff and all that fun stuff. But Brandon Iyuk was better on a per-game basis last year than CeeDee Lamb was. So Lamb has to make that improvement, and Dak Prescott could be the difference. But I don't really know that Iyuk has a lot more competition. You know what has a lot more competition. You know what has a lot more competition? Kittle and Debo Samuel is not near as much competition as Amari Cooper and Michael Gallup and Break Lake Jarwin. I mean, the level of competition is probably the same.
Starting point is 00:19:16 Yeah, and you're probably talking about, what, 70 fewer pass attempts for San Francisco? Oh, yeah, probably. That's with Garoppolo. Right, what if it becomes Trey Lance? That's a little terrifying but how many fewer past attempts was it last year because iuk had was on pace for 17 more targets than land last year yeah but i know 49ers it was more we you know they didn't have as
Starting point is 00:19:39 many you know like dallas they just got so conservative like i don't i can never see kyle sh Shannon getting conservative, which would help with Lance, that I don't think they're going to change things too much. But Dallas, you know, their quarterback situation was worse than San Francisco's. That says a lot. It was 70 pass attempts, basically.
Starting point is 00:19:57 Difference between the two. Yeah, like, Ayuk was better than CeeDee Lamb, but it's really hard to say. Like, in the eight games that he played with Debo Samuel and George Kittle, he was on pace for 118 targets. In the four he did, he was on pace for 152 targets. He played eight games? He played eight games with them?
Starting point is 00:20:23 Because I have them. I don't think they played near that many games. They played four. They only played eight games with them? Because I have them... I don't think they played near that many games. They played four. Kittle only played eight games, and Kittle and Ayuk missed some time together. So I have the breakdown. I've given this before. Weeks four through seven.
Starting point is 00:20:36 It was four games where all three played. Now, one of the games, I think there was like a week eight where Deebo left almost immediately. But weeks four through seven are the games that we're looking at here and kittle had 40 targets iuk had 21 and debo had 22 iuk had not really broken out at that point the last game of that stretch he had his big game at 115 yards at New England. They blew out New England. And basically from that point on,
Starting point is 00:21:08 he was terrific. But Debo was out and then Kittle was out. You know, but I think there's at least a possibility that he could have sustained that and he just hadn't broken out yet because it does take wide receiver, rookie wide receivers a while. But that's just speculation on my part.
Starting point is 00:21:24 Yeah. The fun part about what you just said, C.D. Lamb started to do that early. He did, yeah. And imagine if he had had the natural rookie progression later in the year. C.D. Lamb was more efficient on a per-target basis on an offense that I have to imagine wasn't,
Starting point is 00:21:43 if it wasn't less efficient, I don't think it was more efficient on a per-target basis overall. I have to imagine, if it wasn't less efficient, I don't think it was more efficient on a per-target basis overall. I don't know. I guess I'm the outlier here. I'm not convinced Brandon Ayuk's that much better than Deebo Samuel. I think Deebo Samuel's a really, really good player. Obviously, they have very different roles, and I think they can coexist together alongside George Kittle. But I think ultimately what it comes down to for me being lower on Iuke
Starting point is 00:22:07 than Heath at the very least is I think him and Deebo Samuel are going to have a pretty comparable target share. I have them both for right around 115 targets. I would guess Heath has a bigger gap than that. 115? Yeah. Oh, I think CeeDee Lamb is going to shatter that. No, no that no no i'm talking about debo versus iuk oh i'm sorry debo yeah yeah i have cd lamb 11 spots higher with 20 more targets i would that feels low
Starting point is 00:22:37 i would think that iuk is probably closer to 130 targets. I think I've got Iuke at 123. I may just be too low on CeeDee Lamb's targets. I've got him relative, like, slightly higher than where he was last year, but not a whole, like, not basically more than the 17th game. So let me ask this. I like Amar Cooper a lot.
Starting point is 00:23:01 We talked about this, Adam, on the other show. We don't need to get back into it, but it wouldn't shock me at all if CeeDee Lamb's the best Cowboys receiver. Yeah, and so here's the question then. Last year, it was, I think, pretty easy to really love A.J. Brown, Metcalf, McLaurin. I don't know, maybe not all three, but two of them, whatever. And they were all going in round four, and they just seemed like obvious breakout candidates.
Starting point is 00:23:21 When you look, and Jamie kind of alluded to this, I think on FFT in five. When you look at the year two wide receivers this year, it's a little crowded, you know? I don't know that the opportunities are quite the same. Claypool, Iuke, CeeDee Lamb in particular. And Higgins. Who? And Higgins.
Starting point is 00:23:40 Thank you, Higgins. You know, Judy gets Sutton back. So it's not, I mean, you love the talent. These guys had amazing years, but do you think taking Justin Jefferson out of the equation, do you think we're going to get players that have that kind of impact,
Starting point is 00:23:56 that make that jump like Brown and Metcalf and to a lesser extent McLaurin did? Lamb is the one just based on his team and what you saw. I mean, you saw glimpses of the quarterback receiver combo and the production and what it could be. It's a small sample size, you know, so that's the thing that you're hoping for is that year two, that he's better.
Starting point is 00:24:21 Dak is the same and the offense is the same. I mean, I don't think, you know, again, and I'll say this a lot, this isn't, I don't like, I love Brandon Ayuk. I think Brandon Ayuk's a star. Getting him in round six is fantastic. I would take him in round five. But, you know, it's just the offenses are different.
Starting point is 00:24:40 The competition is not the same. I mean, obviously, Lamb has tougher, more components working with, you know, tougher but more components um but i think there's just a little bit higher ceiling for lamb and dallas than there is for iuk in san francisco but if you can get both those guys that's a great fantasy roster you'd be putting together and i i can see jerry judy especially among the other year two wide receivers. I could see him making that kind of leap. I could see him having a Terry McLaurin-like season.
Starting point is 00:25:10 I know there were issues last season, but the QB situation in Denver, I think, is better just by virtue of the fact that Teddy Bridgewater gives them a higher floor. Have you seen the report today from Minicamp? Teddy Bridgewater has been more accurate, but Drew Locke has had a stronger arm. Is seen the report today from minicamp? So Teddy Bridgewater has been more accurate, but Drew Locke has had a stronger arm. Is that the report? Well, no.
Starting point is 00:25:29 Bridgewater and Judy are apparently like on the same page. They're connecting. They're making a lot of plays in camp. And then all of a sudden, Drew Locke's got this mysterious blister injury on his hand, and they're starting to make excuses for him. I mean, I'm sure it's legit, but Bridgewater apparently is out playing Locke at this point,
Starting point is 00:25:44 and him and Judy are very much in sync early on. And Judy fits. Judy fits with Teddy a lot better because he's open. Right. Right? I mean, it's not a joke. He gets more separation than almost any wide receiver, and Teddy Bridgewater doesn't want to throw it into a tight window. Yeah, I think when you look at under the hood for Jerry Judy, he had an average depth of target of 13.5 yards down the field,
Starting point is 00:26:11 an average yak per reception of five yards. There were only 12 wide receivers last season that had at least an 11-yard average depth of target with at least five yards per catch after the catch. And you're talking about Will Fuller, Tyreek Hill, DJ Moore, Rob Gronkowski, actually, surprisingly. And there were some guys who weren't great, Prashad Paraman, Jalen Guyton.
Starting point is 00:26:35 But all in all, I think that's a really promising combination. That's the A.J. Brown combination. Justin Jefferson also did that. I think that, you know, the ability to make plays down the field and make plays with the ball in your hands, that's what makes an elite wide receiver. And get Aaron Rogers to Denver. Heath, do you think Claypool or Higgins in their crowded, crowded rooms of receivers have a star potential this year, 2021? Yeah. Yeah. I, I would rather bet on Higgins because I, I like Higgins as a player better and I like Higgins quarterback better.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Um, I think, I think it's obviously Chase is a problem for him, but Chase is still a rookie. So I, we may be overestimating the, uhating or underestimating the possibility that T. Higgins is the best Bengals wide receiver this year. And when Joe Burrow was healthy last year, they threw the ball 40 times a game. So it wouldn't really matter if he was the number two wide receiver. He could be a star as the number two wide receiver for 40 pass attempts a game.
Starting point is 00:27:39 So I'd rather bet on Higgins than Claypool for sure. The thing going back to what you said about Roethlisberger's elbow, if he's right, Claypool's going to have a big season because that's when Ben's been at his best is when he's challenging downfield. So if he can throw the ball down the field, then Claypool's going to really be a star.
Starting point is 00:27:57 If he can't, then you're going to have some big moments like we saw last year and you're going to have a lot of inconsistent play. I actually really hate the I don't really know the best way to say but i hate the the combination of the terrific talent and rookie production from this wide receiver class but also the lack of clarity on the targets the competition within the sit with you know within the wide receiver core it's a little frustrating these These are players that in the perfect situation could be superstars this year,
Starting point is 00:28:28 and they're going to be a little bit tougher to draft just because they have a lot of competition. It's kind of a shame. Well, I mean, like you brought it up. The guys last year were easy. McCormick was easy to see because he had a great rookie season and nothing around him. A.J. Brown, yeah, Corey Davis had a good year,
Starting point is 00:28:44 and John DeSmith was expected to do a little bit more, but you could see what it was and what he had the chance to become. And, you know, Metcalf was just such a physical presence that it was just hard to overlook what he did as a rookie and what he had the potential to do. These guys, you know, it wouldn't surprise, I think, any of us if Iyuk built off of what he showed you last year. C.D. Lamb, you know, in those five games or four games before Dak got hurt,
Starting point is 00:29:07 you know, was able to, to be a star, you know, Chris brought it up. Jerry duties is kind of getting not criminally overlooked, but overlooked enough that, you know, his, his value based on what his upside could be because everybody remembers the drops that a lot of that wasn't his fault. And then, you know, Higgins and Claypool just, you know, they could really step forward in their receiving cores, even though there's so much competition, it wouldn't't be shocking but it's just not as clear and the drops i don't care i just don't care about drops at all i don't think
Starting point is 00:29:34 they matter unless your coach thinks they matter and there's no sign that jerry judy's coach thought that mattered they kept throwing to him um i i just yeah I don't care about that. I think he's going to be awesome. It has to happen for a lot more than one year for me to care. I do wonder, Adam, because we're obviously going to have to adjust your 900-yard threshold for wide receivers in 2021. I kind of wonder, like, the way last year was in terms of the passing game, the way the NFL's changed terms of the passing game,
Starting point is 00:30:07 the way the NFL has changed over the last three or four years, even, but especially last year, it went bananas with the passing game. If the 900, like we had a lot of these rookie wide receivers that were just like, right. Like nine 35 for CD lamb, nine Oh eight for T Higgins.
Starting point is 00:30:22 I think Claypool was just under eight 73. I wonder if that's going to be as predictive as it was in the past when we, when the league as a whole was 10 to 15% worse throwing the ball. Well, the reason why, okay. So if you're not familiar, I think you probably are, but we've just sort of established that wide receivers who get to 900 yards as rookies, most of them turn out to be pretty damn good, at least since the year 2000 or 2003, whenever this research started. Most of them turn out to be great players or very good players. And year two is typically very, very fruitful.
Starting point is 00:31:01 And the three that we were looking at from 2019 were McLaurin, Metcalf, and A.J. Brown. So this year, the three are Jefferson, who shattered it, 1,400, and Lamb and Higgins, who, as Heath just mentioned, didn't really get there. They didn't really blow past it, but did get to 900 yards. The reason why, Heath, that I
Starting point is 00:31:20 don't adjust to say, oh, well, it was barely over 900 yards, but it was in this environment, this great environment of passing and scoring, is because their quarterbacks got hurt. And if you just look at what they were doing when their quarterbacks were healthy, they'd be over 1,000.
Starting point is 00:31:36 So probably. At least they were on pace for that. I think it would have continued. So that's why I'm so encouraged by the years that they had, that they were so good when their quarterbacks were healthy. And Higgins, holy cow, every single week, he was great.
Starting point is 00:31:50 Now we know they added Jamar Chase. But A.J. Green, I believe, was out targeting Higgins. He wasn't out producing him. But he showed that he can be great with Green and Boyd also getting a lot of targets. But that's my take, Heath. If their quarterbacks hadn't gotten hurt, I might be a little more skeptical. But I think they would have shattered 900, if not for the injuries.
Starting point is 00:32:08 We have not talked about your three wide receivers at all. So let's talk about these guys. Can we move DK Metcalf ahead of AJ Brown? Anybody ready to do that after the Julio Jones trade? I did. I did not. I did not. I actually kind of moved AJ Brown up a little bit. Interesting. To what? I just not. I did not. I actually kind of moved AJ Brown up a little bit.
Starting point is 00:32:27 Interesting. To what? I just won? I don't think there's going to be a big change in how many targets he gets with Julio Jones. I think it's... They're not taking targets away from AJ Brown. They're taking targets away from
Starting point is 00:32:38 Dre Fitzpatrick. Des Fitzpatrick? Is that his name? And Racy McMath and Josh Reynolds. I think they're going to be fine. I still have A.J. Brown at 135 targets. I think the efficiency is going to be a little better.
Starting point is 00:32:53 I'm regressing his efficiency less than I was before the Julio Jones trade. Jamie, you moved Metcalf ahead? Just slightly. I'll probably change it 100 times between now and then. It's like group of receivers i had aj brown third before the trade so i dropped them behind metcalf who i think was uh eight um so they're all in the same you know relative range i i just think that you know julio's gonna take enough targets because julio's a little bit better
Starting point is 00:33:19 than cory davis and john smith combined um certainly better than des fitzpatrick and josh reynolds and and the group that they have there now so he's going to command more attention and that's going to take away a little bit of what aj brown was expected to do i thought aj brown could potentially even on this passing attack uh challenge for the league lead in targets you know he just was going to get so much attention so that's going to come down a little bit he's going to be efficient he's going to be awesome this isn't stay away from aj Brown by any stretch. It's just, uh, I think DK Metcalf and what the Seahawks told us this off season was we're
Starting point is 00:33:49 going to let Russ play the way Russ wants to play a little bit. And I think that's going to help Metcalf going into year three as well. Which side would you rather have combination of sophomore and third year junior receivers, uh, Justin Jefferson and Deontay Johnson or CeeDee Lamb and Terry McLaurin? Jefferson and Deontay.
Starting point is 00:34:14 I actually have Deontay ahead of CeeDee Lamb. Oh. I also have Deontay ahead of CeeDee Lamb. Oh. I'll take the other side. Oh. Actually, only in full PPR. In non-PPR, I have Lamb ahead.
Starting point is 00:34:29 Okay, so it's two votes for the Jefferson-Johnson side. Jamie, you have McLaurin fifth, right? That's in non-PPR. I think I have seventh in PPR. He's 11th for me, so there's a little gap there. Which side would you rather have? Deontay Johnson.
Starting point is 00:34:43 I did another one with deontay johnson that's weak deontay johnson and jerry judy or marquise brown and chase claypool the judy side oh yeah deontay and judy for sure that's an easy one i can do better than that yeah i have judy ahead of marquise Brown and Claypool. Same. Okay, who's a better sleeper? Henry Ruggs or Paris Campbell? Ruggs. I would rather have Ruggs on my team.
Starting point is 00:35:23 I've got Campbell projected higher, but they're both so far down that I'll take the upside of Ruggs. If Ruggs hits, he has star potential. I don't know if Harris Campbell has star potential. Okay, how about Henry Ruggs or LaVisca Chenault? Chenault. Man, I wish the Jaguars had done different things this offseason for LaVisca Chenault's sake.
Starting point is 00:35:43 I could see him getting lost there and it's very frustrating, but I would still go with Chenault. He might be the number one wide receiver. Urban Meyer hates DJ Chark. Yeah, but he might be the number four option in the passing game. Anything could happen in Jacksonville this season. I would not be
Starting point is 00:35:58 particularly surprised. Okay, who's a better sleeper? Denzel Mims or or Mikko Hardman? I think I would go Mims.
Starting point is 00:36:17 At this point, Hardman's had enough opportunities to do something and he just really hasn't. I'm going to go with Hardman one more time. That's a quarterback thing. if tyreek hill gets hurt micole hardman's a monster among monsters what if that what if everybody stays healthy then who would you take i'll still take my chances hardman okay yeah i i mean mims could be the number one receiver for the jets but it's you know which would probably make him the fourth receiver on the team. Yeah, the last three words of that sentence
Starting point is 00:36:47 are pretty important. But maybe Zach Wilson's really good. I'm still so intrigued by Mims, though. We just never really got to see what he could do. It was such a weird year because he had that hamstring injury that he really couldn't practice. I think it was early in training camp. He didn't play for the first four or five games. And then he had a family issue where he had to leave the team so you know there
Starting point is 00:37:09 was just a lot working against him i i thought he was pretty good when he played he does have the escaping from adam gaze thing going for him which is gets him closer to hardman like elijah moore never played with adam gaze so we don't know how good he's going to be. Do you guys like Escape from L.A. or Escape from New York better? Never seen either of them. I don't know if I've ever seen fully Escape from New York, but Escape from L.A. is a fun movie. Very fun.
Starting point is 00:37:35 Snake Bliskin, right? That's the name? Snake Bliskin, I believe. It's good stuff. But Tango and Cash, definitely better than both. Waiting to hear. Waiting for the angry email on that one. So any other sleepers you guys want to talk about? Tango and Cash is definitely better than both.
Starting point is 00:37:51 I love Tango and Cash. I really want to see Tango and Cash. I haven't seen that movie in so long. Definitely never seen Tango and Cash. I thought you were talking about Turner and Hooch. Never seen Tango and Cash? Never seen Tango and Cash. Oh my gosh. For a while, that movie was always on TV when I was a kid. Always.
Starting point is 00:38:09 And I never should have watched it. It's very violent. We haven't talked about Michael Pittman yet, right? No, we haven't. Do you consider him a sleeper? Well, he deserves to be in the conversation somewhere. Well, I didn't know if he was too highly rated to be a sleeper. I didn't know. I don't
Starting point is 00:38:25 think so. Oh, he's going right after LaVisca Chenault, so I suppose not. Yeah, he was... The weird thing about him was he was playing a lot, you know, even early on in his rookie season coming back from that injury. And so, you know,
Starting point is 00:38:42 what's the opportunity to grow? What does that look like, I guess? You know, it's not going to come from more playing time. He's just going to have to play better. And I definitely have bigger questions about their QB situation now than I did last season. I don't know if I agree with that. I don't know that.
Starting point is 00:39:00 Like, I had quite a few questions about Phillip Rivers. I thought he was going to be fine. He was fine. I have very little confidence in what Carson Wentz is at this point. My prior is that he's not good. Who's the number one receiver for the Colts? Could be Pittman.
Starting point is 00:39:21 I think you've got to treat it as Hilton going in, but it could be Pittman. I think Pittman's being drafted first. Yeah, it's pretty close. I think it's probably T.Y., but... He is being drafted first. Wow, it's not that close. No, it's not that close.
Starting point is 00:39:37 In our drafts, it is. It's like 45 spots in NFC. Chris and I took them back-to-back. Okay, Gabriel Davis stepping up. Any hopes, thoughts for him? Gabriel Davis? Love Gabriel Davis. I love drafting him with one of my last picks.
Starting point is 00:39:54 If I can get him, you know, the fact that John Brown's not there anymore, it's entirely possible Gabriel Davis is the number two option. I still have Cole Beasley as the number two guy. I pretty much expect nothing from Emmanuel Sanders, but Davis could be the kind of guy who, if he gets 80 targets, ends
Starting point is 00:40:12 up being a starting caliber fantasy option, albeit a frustratingly inconsistent one. I really only want to draft him in best pool. That's fair. Jamie, I'm going to just say some names. Some are year two, some are year 2 some are year 3 Tampa Bay Tyler Johnson
Starting point is 00:40:29 Jacksonville's Colin Johnson Quintez Cephas of Detroit Isaiah Coulter of Houston Donovan Peoples Jones in Cleveland Darius Slayton Travis Fulgham Chargers with Jalen Guyton and Tyron Johnson did I say anyone I know we're not going to draft them,
Starting point is 00:40:46 but anyone that you could see emerging or maybe even just having dynasty value? Cephas, for sure. Just knowing what that receiving core looks like. And, you know, I mean, look, Tyrell Williams and Brashad Perryman, you kind of know what they are at this point. You know, if they stay healthy, maybe they have a chance to produce. Amon Ron St. Brown, the rookie.
Starting point is 00:41:06 That's who he's competing with. He could easily be in the mix for the number one receiver in Detroit. Not that you're going to draft that, but somebody to put in the back of your mind in deeper leagues. And then Travis Fulgham. Look, we had that stretch of games last year for
Starting point is 00:41:21 Philadelphia where he was amazing. Jalen Rager and Devontae Smith should be the top two guys, but he could be third. You know, I mean, they're talking about Greg Waters, their third receiver, and, you know, that's a former quarterback. You know, so Fulgham physically, you know, could be their best option as a red zone threat, you know, not taking into account JJR's Segoe Sega white side and what he can maybe do ever.
Starting point is 00:41:47 But those would be the two that I keep an eye on it. I think it's going to be, you know, like I, I like Tyler Johnson and Colin Johnson. Those are two guys that I had my eyes on, you know, as some free agent dynasty pickups, just knowing that the receiving cores were changing a little bit this off season and they changed for the worse for those guys. For Tyler Johnson, the fact that Antonio Brown is back
Starting point is 00:42:09 and Chris Godwin stayed, and then Colin Johnson bringing in Marvin Jones, that didn't help his outlook at all. Heath, Dynasty man. Dynasty man. Jalen Rager and Nikhil Harry. Thoughts? Jalen Rager and Darnell Mooney
Starting point is 00:42:25 are both very, very interesting. Guys that I would like to try to buy low on. I think it's pretty clear Mooney will be the number two wide receiver for the Bears this year. So there's, especially if Fields is able to take over that job early in the year, there's some significant upside for him.
Starting point is 00:42:42 I'm more excited about him than I am Rager, but once Zach Ertz is officially not a Philadelphia Eagle, there's going to be some room for Jalen Rager. They say he's playing the slot a little bit more. Love both of those guys. I don't have hardly any hope at all for Nikhil Harry. There was a report that came out. I don't remember who it was.
Starting point is 00:43:00 I'm sorry, but they were talking about the top three wide receivers and then somebody pushing Nikel Harry for number four. And so he's just apparently not very good. Yeah, it's weird. I agree with Heath on Rager. Actually, I may like him a little more than Mooney. He was one of those guys who was in that 11-yard A dot
Starting point is 00:43:21 plus five yards after catch on average. You need to raise your sample size to qualify. It was 50 targets. And he wasn't good last year, but he had the shoulder injury right before the start of the season where he separated his shoulder, played through it early on, tore the ligament in his thumb. He might have had a leg injury at some point too. It was just a really tough year for him,
Starting point is 00:43:46 and it kind of all happened right at the beginning, which makes it really hard to get going. And then the quarterback situation was awful in Philadelphia until Jalen Hurts took over. So I do think there's a chance he's the number one wide receiver there. I think there's a chance he's a viable fantasy option. So I'm not giving up on Jalen Rager.
Starting point is 00:44:05 He's someone I like in the late rounds. How much of a chance do you think that he's the number one wide receiver? I mean, he doesn't, he's probably, it's going to be, okay, Fulgham maybe, but Devante Smith is the favorite. Yeah, he's, I think he's the number two, you know, Fulgham kind of Rager's the number two, but like, you know But Smith's better, but Rager was the number 21 pick in 2020 in a pretty deep wide receiver. I bet the Eagles would like to do that one again. Oh, sure. I'm sure they would rather. Did Justin Jefferson go right ahead of him?
Starting point is 00:44:36 Yeah, no, after. It went Rager, Jefferson, Ayuk, Higgins, and then Pittman, Chenault, Hamler, and then Clayton. Not great. Not great. I think he's better than Hamler. That's good.
Starting point is 00:44:51 But, you know, he has pedigree. He was a really productive receiver in college at a very young age. There's still a lot of things working in Rager's favor. So I could see, you know, a 900-yard, you know, seven-touchdown season for him. Okay, what kind of dinner would you buy me? Like, we'll go out, we'll hang out. so I could see, you know, a 900 yard, you know, seven touchdown season. What kind of dinner would you buy me? Like, we'll go out,
Starting point is 00:45:08 we'll hang out. You and I will go to dinner after the season. First time since I moved here 18 months ago. Uh, well, we went to Hill Country. Where did you live when we went to Hill Country? I was,
Starting point is 00:45:19 I was still down here. Or down in Florida. If Deont, if, uh, Devante Smith has 800 more yards than Jalen Rager,
Starting point is 00:45:30 you've got to buy me a steak. Are we talking about injuries? If they both play X number of games? What's the other side of that? Adam, if that happens, I will invite you to my apartment. I will buy a $130 Wagyu steak and I will cook it for you.
Starting point is 00:45:48 Oh, okay. All right. That's fine. We're in. 800 more yards and they're both healthy? Yeah, they both play at least 12 games. I mean. I'm just throwing out.
Starting point is 00:45:59 I'm just having fun here. No, but it's not fun. It's not a bet if there's no way that Chris gets a steak. Right. If it doesn't happen, I get $5. He's going to make the steak for both of us. If it doesn't happen, Adam buys me a Hungry Man Salisbury steak dinner. We'll go to Patsy's.
Starting point is 00:46:17 We'll get some terrific New York City pizza. For some reason, Jamie doesn't think Patsy's is good. It's amazing. I'll buy you Patsy's. I've never had good New York pizza. You go to, you, you're Michael Scott.
Starting point is 00:46:27 You've been here for 12 hours. You're Michael Scott. You go to New York City, you go, oh, look, they got Sparrows here. This must be incredible.
Starting point is 00:46:33 This must be authentic. Didn't Dave take you to the place? Wasn't that Dave's place? Dave, Pizza Dave took me to the place. And I've been to New York twice. The quality, there are really good,
Starting point is 00:46:44 like there's Polly G's in Greenpoint, maybe the best pizza I've ever had. Yeah. If you're talking like a New York slice of pizza, you can't hype it up
Starting point is 00:46:52 because there's a very small range of quality. They're all pretty good. They're all great, except for the, except for like famous Rays and stuff, except for the chains.
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Starting point is 00:48:31 Alright, email time. This is from Ryan from the home of Tony Paco's Hot Dogs. I think it's worth mentioning that the guy who doesn't even live in New York City doesn't get to be a snob. I did live in New York City doesn't get to be a snob. I did live in New York City twice.
Starting point is 00:48:48 Did you? Yeah, twice. You live in Massachusetts now. I live in Westchester. I live fairly close to New York City. That's basically Connecticut. It is pretty close to Connecticut. You're not wrong about that. I don't know what Tony Paco's is, but they look good. Okay. The question is... The discussion last week... Oh, this is a good question. The discussion last week about the
Starting point is 00:49:12 Jaguars was great, and I'd like to hear from all of you how you projected the Jaguars players for 2021. New head coach, new system, drafting Trevor Lawrence, changes abound. The question is just, you know, how did just, it's a great question. How do you go about projecting a team with
Starting point is 00:49:27 so much uncertainty? I started with just league average from last year ratios. Just hands up in the air. I did adjust them a little more
Starting point is 00:49:43 run heavy when they took a running back in the first round and said they wanted to be top five in the league in either rushing or rush attempts or stupid first round draft picks. So, yeah, I think they're going to be a little more run heavy than league average possibly. Yeah. But they're also going to be bad.
Starting point is 00:50:02 So that generally lends itself towards passing. Yeah, my thought was very similar. But they're also going to be bad, so that generally lends itself towards passing. Yeah, my thought was very similar. I don't have them more run heavy than league average, but I do have them more run heavy than an average team that I expect to be bad. Because that's, you know, you look back at Urban Meyer, Dave wrote his coach breakdown when they hired him, and he's been incredibly run heavy in college,
Starting point is 00:50:25 and obviously that'll happen when you're winning games by 50 points regularly, but still, even accounting for that, he's been run heavy. Everything he's said since then makes me think that they're going to run the ball a lot. I think that's a good place to start. This is from Emily from the Bachelorette capital of the U.S.
Starting point is 00:50:43 Nashville. Oh, is it? Yeah. Okay. Dear Green, Carter, Ross, and Hathaway. Ans. I don't think so. What are your thoughts on keeping career stats in mind
Starting point is 00:51:02 and potential to hit big records as a deciding factor in your draft so in other words if a player has milestones you know like brady breaking records and whatnot does that ever factor in jimmy i know that's something that you more talk about in week 17 you know around those times where you want you think how they got a single season record on the line do you ever think about that from more of a long-term, season-long perspective? Not really, no.
Starting point is 00:51:32 I mean, it's obviously something that you want to keep an eye on. I know like Brady, for example, has got to average a certain amount of yards before the Patriots game to break Drew Brees' record. So people think he's going to be airing it out more. I don't know how that's possible. Things of that nature. but no, not really. I think it's more end-of-year things when guys have incentives on the line and maybe looking at milestone situations.
Starting point is 00:51:54 But beginning of the year, not so much. It's ER. Yeah, it's ER. It's ER. Thanks, Chris. Thanks for stealing my Google Thunder. It is ER. Green, Carter,
Starting point is 00:52:05 Ross, and Hathaway. Great show. Remember the Blizzard episode? Great episode. Bruce from the North Bay in California. Dear Index, Middle, Ring, Pinky, and Butter. No idea. Fingers. I'd rather eat
Starting point is 00:52:20 human fingers. I can get your toe. 12-team Keeper League. Half-point PPR. Keep four total. $110 budget. Keep as long as you want at $1 every year. I'm keeping Mahomes for $9 and Swift for $3.
Starting point is 00:52:39 Who should my remaining two keepers be? That's kind of rhyming. I like that. Aaron Jones for $10. Cam Akers for $ 10, Calvin Ridley for 26, Adam Thielen for 3, or Mike Evans for 5? My first thought is Jones and
Starting point is 00:52:57 Evans, but I could be talked into Jones and Akers. I wouldn't really consider Thielen and Ridley probably not either. Ridley for me is an easy one. Ooh, but he's 26 bucks. I don't care. Why not?
Starting point is 00:53:15 He's going to be awesome. He is the price of every other player. All other four cost $28, and he's $26. Yeah, well, that's why you can afford to get him, because you have other guys cheap. Aaron Jones would be easy if we know Aaron Rodgers is there. Question. Who are you taking first in drafts?
Starting point is 00:53:34 The answer better be Ridley. Cam Akers or Calvin Ridley? I'm taking Akers, but he already has Swift cheap. How could you keep a $26 Ridley over a $10 acres? It's the roster construction. Just get Ridley in your draft. If he can. I mean, if you tell me that's an easy thing to do, okay.
Starting point is 00:53:54 I gotta feel like... Yeah. I'll keep all three running backs in my homes. Yeah, I mean, I think you could look at it this way. How much is acres probably going to go for in a draft? 20 plus? So you look at it. Yes, roster construction construction but if you wanted to get ridley back you know maybe you spend 30 on ridley and you've got ridley and acres for 40 whereas if you keep ridley what are your chances of getting acres for 14 i think it's pretty low yeah it's a good point jamie's wrong
Starting point is 00:54:20 uh this is from john from a city in Rhode Island not named Providence or Newport. Burling, Providence, Vermont. I don't know any cities in Rhode Island. Westchester's a county, by the way. Hey, Bodie, Poot, D'Angelo, and Wallace. That's the wire. Yeah, more like boring poop.
Starting point is 00:54:48 Yeah, nah, not my favorite. favorite so this guy the title of this email was uh the two worst azer takes ever something like that i said that the wire is the most boring cop show ever i get killed for this all the time i don't like the wire i do want to re-watch it though i i'm sure it's great i'd like to re-watch it uh but then he also brought up the whole agreeing to trade via text thing and he said secondly the notion that a trade that is agreed upon via text being able to be backed out of is absurd two adults agree to make a deal the deal is made end of story anything else is dirtbag behavior it allows for all sorts of shadiness shadiness such as walking that trade up to another owner and one-upping your deal.
Starting point is 00:55:26 Jamie goes to Heath and says, hey, Adam agreed to trade me player X for player Y. Can you beat that? Heath agrees to give Jamie more value than you did. Before the trade is processed on the site, should Jamie get to not go through with his trade with you and do one with Heath? Obviously not. And before you say,
Starting point is 00:55:39 well, obviously that would not be allowed, why wouldn't it be? Your deal wasn't official. Yada, yada, goes on and on. He's really mad that I said a solution yeah how do you enforce it i'm gonna make millions of dollars off of this what if we had a system within the leagues where you could make trade offers and counter offers within the league and then if someone had accept it was binding so you're doing a bit yeah i appreciate it it's good comedy but sometimes you make an offer and the person accepts you lose that that back and forth.
Starting point is 00:56:10 You know, you got to have the discussion. Yeah. Off site. But the problem is, like, I agree. It's shady as hell. It's not. You say I agree to make a trade in text message and then you don't do it. You get cold.
Starting point is 00:56:22 That is shady. You know, let's let's take into account the Titans Falcons trade. Right. in text message and then you don't do it, that is shady. Let's take into account the Titans-Falcons trade, right? So let's say they had agreed, John Robinson and Terry Fontenot agreed over the phone that we're giving up a second and a fourth for Julio and a sixth and we're taking all the contract. And let's say the Patriots called an hour later before one of them called the league to report the trade and said, we'll give you a first for Julio. Are they not allowed to back out of that deal?
Starting point is 00:56:51 Of course they are. You're allowed to. But like you may never make a trade with that team again. Well, that's the thing. It's like you have to understand that that's what you're dealing with. Yeah. Yeah. Look, sometimes you get you when when you don't have to actually click the button
Starting point is 00:57:06 and have the trade go through. You might say things that are a little bit different. You might feel bold. Oh yeah, let's do this trade. And then you think about it. Well, I didn't. Adam, I just, I don't know why you're defending it because nobody disagrees that it shouldn't be legal.
Starting point is 00:57:19 Oh no. It's just, it is a dirtbag move. No, no, no. What did Heath or Jamie did a Twitter poll and half the people said that it's binding and half the people said it isn't, roughly. No, Jamie had C results in there. I don't understand.
Starting point is 00:57:34 It's unenforceable. Yeah, look. I said yes to a trade. It's unenforceable. It's not a rule. Yeah, but, well, whatever. That's too technical. All right?
Starting point is 00:57:46 We're having fun here. That's it for the Fantasy Cops. And this is from Shane in Rocket City. As the Austin Eckler manager, I'm trying to decide between backfield backups for my 12-team PPR Dynasty League. Snell, McFarland, Jackson, and Kelly. Who to pick of the four? Snell, McFarland, Jackson, and Kelly, who to pick of the four Snell,
Starting point is 00:58:08 McFarland, Jackson, and Kelly. And he has Eckler. I think it's either Jackson or Kelly. I don't know which one my, my, my assumption is Jackson.
Starting point is 00:58:20 Cause he was better last year. Much better. I think it's, I think it's between the two of them. I don't think there's much value in having one of the Steelers guys. The only thing is that if Snell gets that job, he's better than the two Chargers guys.
Starting point is 00:58:32 So if Najee Harris gets hurt, we'd be racing to get Benny Snell. And then he probably wouldn't be that good because we've seen this before. If I can put my bid in. He was good. Was he good? I feel like he had... Yeah. I think he's a little up bid in. He was good. Was he good? I feel like he had...
Starting point is 00:58:46 Yeah. I think he's a little up in it. Well, you know what he is? He's a no-catch guy. He did have the one good game. Yeah, two games. Yeah, it was like an 80-yard... Yeah, three games where Connor got hurt or didn't play,
Starting point is 00:58:57 and Snell was good to him. But he also had a little bit of an audition the year before. Yeah, he's fine. But he never catches the ball, right? I don't think any of these four backs are good. Yeah, I think they're all guys. At best. I'm not sure if Anthony McFarlane did.
Starting point is 00:59:14 They are all guys. Case closed. All right, Jamie's going Snell. I would go Snell. Heath, Blake Snell? S would go Snell. Heath, Blake Snell. Snell, you have more upside because what if Najee Harris gets hurt and Austin Eckler doesn't
Starting point is 00:59:30 and now you have two starting running backs? Yeah, but I guess there's a chance one of Jackson or Kelly could be a starting running back even with Eckler. All right, well, I think I'm over this. Let's call it a day. Thanks for this wonderful discussion.
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