Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - ADP Price Check + My Guy Theft - Fantasy Football Podcast for 4/22

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

Fantasy Football show for Apr 22, 2025. DRAFT WEEK is here! Find out which players have surprising ADPs in fantasy football mock drafts! Chris Olave, Brock Bowers, and others discussed. Plus, a “My Guy” theft, NFL Draft  rumors, and a walk down memory lane. Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.Get the lowest price on the 2025 UDK at UltimateDraftKit.com - Instant access to the Dynasty Pass with the UDK+(00:00) Introduction(05:40) Quick Question - Favorite draft day memories(08:25) NFL News(18:45) ADP Price Check(19:20) Brock Bowers(23:30) Tyrone Tracy(27:25) Chris Olave(33:00) Brian Robinson Jr.(37:55) Rome Odunze(43:45) Mailbag(44:45) Rome Odunze or Tee Higgins in dynasty startup?(46:10) Drake Maye outlookConnect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. Oh welcome in! Yes indeed! Yes! Yes! Draft week has arrived! Yes!

You know what? Cause Jason's got a little extra bob in the head, Bob. Oh, it's a good week to be alive. Draft week is here. Jason Moore, Mike Wright, Andy Holloway, the Fantasy Footballer is back for Tuesday, April 22nd. The draft is two days away. We're going to do a little ADP price check on the show today.

Talk through some news, maybe get some thoughts from you guys on some of your favorite draft moments in the past, but soon all will be revealed on Thursday, we will know. Well, I mean, 32 will be. We will know the big names. Yes. Most everything.

Most the big names, yeah, yeah. You could have just said by the end of the weekend, we will know. By the end of the weekend, we will know. By the end of the weekend, we'll know everything. Really locked in on the one round. Well, you know. I'd say by the weekend. I don't care about them day three farts, you know?

That's not true. You are talking about the young men reaching their lifelong dream. Right, that's the ones. It's really not true. Talking about the young men reaching their lifelong dream. Right. They call themselves the Day 3 Farts. The Day 3 Farts. Goodness. You know, isn't Bucky Irving a Day 3 Fart?

Yes, he was. I mean, Pooka. Pooka's out there. There's a, it was a joke. Just, I'm just joking. I'm joking. Draft week is here, which means some exciting stuff going on this week. We have a live stream on Friday after the first round, before the second round, BallersLive.com.

We will be taking your questions, reacting to what happened in round one and all of our thoughts. You'll get that initial overview of our reaction to round one of the NFL Draft on Friday. That'll be 6 p.m. Eastern, one hour before round two starts up, and then next week we'll go through everything, all of our breakdown and analysis, which will also mean a huge update to the Dynasty Pass because it'll be our post draft update. Our league will be doing its keeper lottery in selections for our you know for the players after we

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So looking forward to it. Don't forget to follow the show. Click that follow button on Spotify or Apple. Drop us a five star review if you have a second. And if you want to subscribe and click the bell on YouTube, you can do that. It'll notify you when the live stream happens on Friday, youtube.com slash the fantasy footballers to watch the show, to see what Hughes Jason selects for his new found broader t-shirt variety. It's not all black. It's not all black. A lot of it's close to black.

You were in a tan, dare I say, nearly topless colored. Skin color, yeah. Mistakes have been made. This is all new to me. Now you don't even know what these colors existed. I thought only black shirts were allowed. All right. So quick question of the day. What is your favorite NFL draft memory? It can be fantasy wise. You could just be whatever. Maybe it's recency bias. I don't know. It was really fun. But it, I mean, it's, it was an incredible moment

last year when Kyle, the Atlanta Falcons fan flew to Arizona to watch the draft with us and watch his team draft Michael Pinnix with a top 10 selection after having just given Kirk Cousins that contract and just being there for the shared moment of shame and laughter. It was so much fun. It was so wild, man. And full circle now where it's like, that was probably the right thing to do. Well, yeah, the full circle is you were going to find out, you were like, is the signing of Kirk Cousins bad or is the drafting of Pennex as bad?

Because they both can't be good things, in my opinion. And the signing of Kurt Cousins looks like an absolute disaster. If you're Nico Harrison of the Dallas Mavericks, you are hoping that your trade of Luca Donjic somehow feels slightly more like the Michael Peninnock's selection does now, a year from now.

But to me that was the highlight of recent draft history. It was glorious. I do remember Jason being extremely excited for Josh Rosen at one point in time. Oh yeah, that was great. That memory did come to mind. Did it? Yeah. For sure. Yeah.

Did you have a jersey? I don't think I ever got a jersey. Maybe you just wore your Max Hall jersey. Maybe. All right, Mike, do you have one? I mean, sticking with Arizona, years and years and years ago, there was a man who I don't think any of us had ever heard of.

And then he goes to the combine and keeps running these challenges and you're like holy crap did you see this guy's vert did you see this guy's broad jump you see his 40 at that size it was unbelievable and then the Arizona Cardinals drafted David Johnson in the third round and then the meme was born. He was a hit. I mean, his career was short, but it was definitely an absolute fire pick for a couple of years there. And it was a great time for the show, great time for everyone who had that RB1 season with David Johnson. It's funny because players can be so good, even in a short period of time, where they dominate more of the fantasy football lore than they even did in the National Football League. And David Johnson was one of those players.

Whenever you enter that number one overall pick category for any period of time, it's memorialized in fantasy football players' minds for sure. So that's a good one. All right, let's talk some news. News and notes from around the league. All right, the Jets are picking up the fifth year option on wide receiver Garrett Wilson.

Yep, he should get signed too. There was more talk. I actually didn't see this update. The Athletics reporting that there has, quote, certainly been dialogue with other teams about Mark Andrews. Andy, you had tweeted out kind of the season by season. The last four years. It was actually mind-blowing to me. Yeah, the last four seasons of Mark Andrews

and his receptions per game dropping from 6.3 to 4.9 to 4.5 to 3.2. And his yards per game, back in 2021, 80 yards per game, then down to 56, down to 54, down to 56 down to 54 down to 39 last year 3.2 receptions a game for 39 yards. He had 11 touchdowns, which really you know for fantasy bailed him out But it's it's been a trajectory Yeah I mean

This is your moment if you if you want value for Mark Andrews and you don't want to go on the ride again in Dynasty I think you I think he has value right now. It's still a big name and it's coming off of a season with a good fantasy finish. So if you pay attention to the receptions and the yards per game, you know the trajectory, but the touchdowns give you a moment here. And it might be literally right this moment because he could get traded at the draft. And there's nowhere in my opinion that Mark

Andrews goes in is better. Oh, I can see an upgraded path for him if he were to go to say the Chargers and Go with Justin Herbert. I think that would be a wonderful situation for him Yeah, I mean it's it's um It's coming to the end It'll just be do we get another year or two of something relevant from him. What do we got about Kirk Cousins? What are we hearing about the Kirk Cousins rumors, Mike? Shifty's out there dropping some bombs for us because the draft's coming up and so we're getting that hot tea right now. And it's, as of right now, the Falcons are aiming for the other team, wherever Kirk gets traded to, for them to take on the remainder of Kirk Cousins guarantees. That has been the, like that's the biggest part of the deal for me.

It's not really the draft compensation. It's will a team take on all the money for a player that has been benched. The Falcons are in a really tough situation. They've already said, he's our backup quarterback. Michael Pennex will be the starter for the beginning of the season, which, I mean, that has its pluses and minuses too.

You get to the entire off season. You don't have to do a quarterback battle. You just go into all camps and Penex gets all the reps. But now all teams know that this is your backup and you're paying that backup so, so much money. He's just killing your cap. But is someone willing to take on last year's Kirk with that amount of money? I think there's very, very few teams that would be willing to even trade for him and then add in the money bit it's pretty tough. You still think he's going to the Browns Andy? Yeah and you think it's already done? I think he's going to the Browns. All right. I think he's gonna play for the Browns and I think they'll have

Travis Hunter as another weapon in that offense. I can agree with that part. And who knows maybe Nick Chububb even comes back to town. I would not be surprised if Chubb came back on a one-year deal. There is some rumors today about Brock Purdy and them making progress towards a deal. He doesn't have one yet. There were rumors about the Giants potentially trading up

for Jackson Dart in the first round someplace. Jackson Dart is gonna be so is gonna be so entertaining to watch what happens. The game of chicken of like once the Saints are on the clock it's gonna be it's gonna be gonna feel real tense. And then I want to mention this one because I think it's a more interesting discussion because the whole universe has been just saying Ashton Gentry's name alongside the Raiders and I've been feeling like maybe the Raiders are not as glued in on Gentry as some people think and he and they're teasing that pick for a trade-up from someone behind them. But then Daniel Jeremiah who's outstanding from NFL.com he came out and here's the quote about Ash and Gentie

it feels like Jacksonville to me which Jacksonville is at five right and so what you know he said it would be a statement picked for Jacksonville Jags are not committed to ETN long term in his mind. What about team? And they need to get Trevor Lawrence up and running to justify that extension. The team, you know, that's kind of like the Falcons going pits in the first, you know, six picks of the draft to me. It's a very loud offensive selection that has high risk high reward. Yeah I hope that clearer heads prevail because I think that like even the Raiders which is like if you go to you know mock draft database it's like 50% of mocks coming in right now or it's Ashton Gentry to the Raiders and you're like look what

look what Saquon did for the Eagles. Look what Henry did for the Baltimore Ravens. Those were Super Bowl teams. Those were Super Bowl contending teams. My example would be, look what the Giants did with Saquon Barkley. They spent the number two overall pick on this guy who was awesome, but a running back by himself. But you can't change the destiny of your team,

is how I view football. No, I think it's an interesting. He didn't turn Daniel Jones into a better weapon because you're not. But they didn't screw that pick up either. No, no, no, they didn't. Which it's easy to do. I mean, it's easy to screw your first.

I mean, Daniel Jones was a screwed up first round pick. Yes. If you have the choice to pick. Like, Gentie can't fail at the NFL level. I would agree with that. And so while team philosophy wisewise, I get that. It makes sense. I mean, another example would be like, I mean, Zeke was a foundational pick for Dallas and

it changed the trajectory of their team. But they had the offensive line was already ready for Zeke. Yeah, yeah. No, look, you're not screwing the pickup with Gentie. That's all I'm saying. You can't screw it up. In terms of the player performing for your team, I tend to agree with that. You do screw up value.

Jackson Dahl, I like him. Could be a complete failure of a pick. But it's like, salary-wise, if Gentie goes, if he goes five or six, he's already one of the highest paid running backs in the league. So that's, wow, I'm like, I agree with you, I don't think he can fail. He still is a player who hasn't taken a snap in the NFL, and you're making him one of the highest paid at the running back position.

It's also hard to invest in a running back that high when you have already invested in a first round running back. You've got Travis ETN. That wasn't this crew though. Sure, but I'm just saying they have ETN and they've got tank Bigsby, you know, you look at the Raiders. It's like I Mean they really need Don't you have a dynasty team that has ETN and Mark Andrews on it? I do. Oh, no

You might want to send those guys out on a few offers Quickly. Yeah, dude, if you give me your third, I will take ETN. Oh, that is, I'm going to consider this. I'll have to drop somebody off of my team. Trade offer here, you'd send ETN in a third. Mike, you would send nothing. You would have to drop. Yeah.

But you would have to take the hit of dropping one of your bench. I'll tell you what I'm going to drop and I'll send it back. Okay. Perfect. Interesting, intriguing offer. Probably you could do better. I think so. I'm going to hold off until after the draft because I don't think I'm getting anything for him now and I'm hoping he does. Oh man. Genty to the jegs. Pick five. It'll be a new all-time draft moment just watching Jason's evaporating ETN. You

got to trade ETN then. You better have something lined up to get you just anything back What six is he? Remind me of ETNs contract situation. Well, he was a fifth year option last year Are they he's in the final year of his deal now? Yeah, I mean it's starting to make sense man Talk about identity change for that team starting to make sense, man. Talk about identity change for that team. I think that the number one thing you could say the last two years is actually that they didn't have

a working running game. If they were to take Gentie at five, which right now the betting odds, he is tied as the favorite. I don't know that we've ever seen someone's fantasy value evaporate more drastically and quickly than Travis ETM. He was a blue chip, foundational dynasty. First round running back.

RB3 in fantasy. Two years ago, the running back three. Not just the prospect, he delivered an RB3 season. Right, not his draft, he wasn't drafted as the RB3. He finished as the RB3. And then it's like never relevant again. He's young on his rookie context. Yeah, I was saying, it's not Phillip Lindsay. It's not Steve Slayton. Yeah, it's a first round pick. It's a first round pick.

And he didn't just miss half the season which I look I still think I last year it's hard to argue that he looked good but the year he finished RB three that was elite electric stuff that he had so yeah to see somebody go he would be worth negative oh yeah I mean I genuinely don't have a running back it's crazy 26. That's crazy. So, Gentie, why don't you just not. Scooch on back to Vegas. Yeah, let's not go Duval. All right, we'll take a break and we'll jump into an ADP price check segment. You better check yourself before you wreck yourself.

All right, this should be fun. We are going to bring them some names. We are going to guess their current ADP, which is average draft position on sleeper. And just, you know, when you guess where players are going, it's a way of revealing what you think about those players. And so we'll each get a different gauge of what one another thinks, starting with Brock Bowers. Brock. Brock. Brock. Brock. Brock. How did this happen? I accidentally said Brock Bowers instead of Brock Bowers. Brock. Brock. Brock. Brock. Brock. How? Brock. How did this happen? I accidentally said Brock Bowers instead of Brock. It was more rhetorical.

But I'm saying on this show, the greatness that is Brock Bowers. That's the juxtaposition of the student. Yeah. What's his nickname? Well, that's a chicken sound. You say his name like a chicken says. Was he a coward?

No, no, no. He's great. He's awesome. He's great. Brock. Brock. Brock. Brock Bowers. That's the awesome rock rock Bowers that's that so I feel like that's better rock rock rock rock rock all right guess the ADP of

Brock Bowers embarrassing who wants to start he was the tight end one guess the ADP tied in one last year 112 receptions he feels really easy. He's got to be Early second round. I would have said 202. I'll go 203 Mike. Oh, don't you do me dirty Mike Myself in a real sandwichable position I was 201 was what first popped into my hands. Fantastic. So I'll stick with 201. You're the meat sandwich. If he had, I've been called worse. By the way, it's 204.

So if Mike had just done, If he had just done what you told him not to do, you would have nailed it. So is he worth that pick? I mean, I think so too. Next player. I mean, Brock Bowers, last year, no quarterback, 153 targets, dominated as a rookie. He's 22.

I mean, man. Where did he go in the drafts last year, eighth round? Something like that. Boy, I wish it had been me. I wish I had made that pick. Yeah, I mean, all of his stats are incredible and he has room to go north from a touchdown perspective. So I talked about recently the fact that like,

too much has been made about, well, he didn't have a quarterback that could, you know, throw him an accurate ball, but he did. You know, he caught, you know, 72% of his passes. That's a great completion percentage. The thing that the quarterback he had couldn't do is in the shortened field in the red zone is throw touchdowns.

Six total targets inside the 10. Yeah, and so that's what I expect to be able to go north while retaining 130 plus targets at a good catch rate, breaking tackles, doing amazing things things so is he worth it yeah I think him and and Trey McBride in the second round I will have a hard time passing those two up. Let me give you your opportunity cost because these are the players going like pretty close to right after Bowers we're talking about the sleeper ADP. So Tyreek Hill, I think for Jason that's an easy, Brock Bowers.

JSN. Bok? Oh. How many boks? Trey McBride, which are you Bowers? I actually, I haven't stated them out yet, but I presume I'll be Trey McBride ahead of Brock Bowers, but they are in the exact same tier to me.

And then the last one that you would even think about would be Ladd or T. Higgins. Yeah that's Brock. I think Brock Bowers is going to be pretty cemented where he is and he'll be drafted on a lot of my teams. It is a very safe selection. When you talk about players that have gone around the 204 in recent years, there's been a lot of the Drake London's and the Garrett Wilsons and the players

that you're hoping have a big season. And it's like, or you take the guy that just machine-like outperforms your opposing teams tight end every week. On he, to look at his stats a little bit deeper, his targets per route run, same as Trey McBride. His target share overall is the same as Nico Collins. His first read target share is the same as Mike Evans. His first down per route run is the same as Justin Jefferson.

And his YAC was the same as C.D. Lamb. And this was a tight end on a bad bad team. First time playing at the NFL level. He is he he's different. Interesting name being brought up here our second ADP price check maybe the fact that I even said it that way reveals a lot about the view of this player right now. Tyrone Tracy of the Giants. I mean if you watched him play, he had a ton of impressive plays. He was a top 25 wide out as a rookie. Running back. Yep. He did catch 38 passes, but yes he's a running back. The first four weeks he barely

even got any work. So this was a pretty impressive run for Tyrone Tracy and yet it feels like, I don't know, to me it feels like no one's excited about it. Yeah, because you're all waiting, you're waiting for the shoe. Right. Which is for the draft. Like if we get out of the draft it, I think people will look at that Tracy a lot different, but as of right now the Giants have had like the information we have today Giants have had four top 30 visits at the running back position. Judkins, Caleb Johnson, Scadaboo, and Olly Gordon. And then we talked about this a little bit on the Dynasty podcast, but Kyle the Borgogons did some deep diving and he found that when teams use three or more, top 30 visits on a running back, which the Giants have done, you see a running back drafted by that team in the first three rounds 64% of the time.

If you go to the fourth round, now you're talking 80%. So this team is- They're looking for another piece. Just based on history, they will be drafting a running back. The historical good bet to make would be in the first three rounds Yeah, you know you look at the guys they're bringing in Judkins and scatter They're looking at more like a first second down a big-bodied banger the Tyrone Tracy was very

Utilized in the in the receiving game, so I think they view him as You know that change of pace down change of pace back So yeah, I mean where we where are we thinking he is ADP wise right now? Oh, I would guess I Would guess I Don't want to go for no you got to go first cuz you 803 I Think he's above that. I think I think he's early seventh round

Mmm, I'll go 701 and you were Andy were what oh three. Oh 702 oh Got him. I'll get you this time. Let's see RB 21 right now six away Oh, you went on the wrong side again Mike.. I win again. I was gonna guess way later. It was funny. I almost went ninth round, but I'm thinking about where I think I'll end up more than where he would be today.

Because right now, I mean look, 64% chance, that's a little bit above 50-50 that they go in and bring somebody in that would make a huge impact. He still has the potential to be very valuable on the team and a starting running back is probably not going outside the top six rounds until a compliment comes in there. Now if Scataboo ends up as a giant,

how are you gonna view Tracy? I mean it's complimentary third down back. Dead. Oh, that's one way. Wherever Scataboo goes, nothing but a cloud of dust and just bodies left in his wake That's right. That's right Mike We gotta make this thing happen The dudes a beast you you're saying you want scataboo to dominate at the NFL level

Think we just want him to keep doing what he's done his entire life His entire life from high school college just dominate as a running back Against all odds yeah, yeah, he by the way Devon Singletary still on the roster wait That's Guy yeah, man. Okay, next name on the list, Chris Olavi! Chris Olavi, going into

year four, finishes in his career, 25 as a rookie, 19 as a sophomore, 93 last year, missing half the season, concussion issues, quarterback that might not want to play for the team The concussion issues will always be hanging over all the lobby at this point at least for especially Derek cars the quarterback

For the couple years yet when he plays is a very talented contributor he's entering kind of a Terry McClory and DJ Moore stage of his career where you know how good he is but he never delivers for fantasy. Yeah he never delivers on the promise I mean he has on a per game basis been very very good. He's an AR consistency score. Yeah. So he's you know he's obviously very very good. He just it's a risk he's a risky player with a lot of upside. That's still young ADP wise

I'll let you guess first this time Jay Okay, so where do you think he's going right now? I I think he's You he can't drop too far. He's too good to drop too far But obviously he's not gonna go in the top 10 wide receivers probably not even the top 15. So I'm gonna say he's Fourth round smack dab middle for oh, I'll go six. I'm gonna go 305 I was gonna go 308. Okay. So there you go. He is going at 410 For 10 or 10 wide receiver 24. I so I have been living the chris olave experience you know our

Army like when you traded like a pick in an Addison away. Yes Thank you Mike picks and That's a plural s for ch's a plural S. For Chris Olave. I invested heavily and it feels really bad. So wait, what's going on with your dynasty team, man? I know. ETN, Andrews, Olave? Don't forget Breeze Hall.

They are dying. Yeah. Your team is like, they pick up the wrong... Your team is the Wizard of Oz, man. It's this big scary machine, but in the back is just this lumbering Oph who's operating on the board. It's not like we're naming worthless players here.

No. We're naming the running back three from two years ago. Breeze Hall, everyone wanted. Chris Olave, unbelievable. Mark Andrews, a top five tight end. They picked up the wrong cup from Indiana Jones and passed it to one another. Shows poorly.

This is the one for sure, guys. I got to look at the rest of my roster, see who else is about to fall apart. Good thing you traded for Drake London, because you had Waddle. Yes, I had Waddle. Oh, man. So 410 is Chris Olave.

Going right around him just before him would be Rashid Rice and Courtland Sutton. I would take Olave all day at that spot because it's far enough down the draft board with enough reward where basically you know that if he's on the field, he's going to outperform that spot to me. Now me now it doesn't mean he's gonna be a top eight wide receiver but he's outperforming wide receiver 24 if he's just healthy yes so that's a you know fool me twice situation you could you could end up

with a player that look one concussion for crystal of it and he's missing multiple weeks. This is not gonna be a one week off thing. No, I mean, at this point, I fear that a concussion is a career ender. Like that's how it feels having him in dynasty. So I didn't think he would be, you know, in the third round when there's that much risk

at any moment. I wanna see you offer Andrews, Etienne, and Olave in a single deal to somebody. Mike. So put something together. Jamar Chase. Oh no. No. Are you sure? All three.

Three for one special. No, I'm very sure on that. Three for one, you're gonna have to give them some picks and more players. Don't waste your time. Yeah, I mean, the quarterback situation is up in the air. I mean, you could have a rookie. Or a, I mean, the Derek Carr situation. I don air. I mean, you could have a rookie. Or I mean, the Derek Carr situation.

I don't know if we've talked about it enough. It's been up on the show, but it is really weird what's going on of Derek Carr. I mean, news coming out that Derek Carr may have to miss the season from his shoulder injury. Then you got reports of, hey, Derek Carr he's there they're letting this out because they don't like what's going on with the Saints even though the the Saints gave him just so much money and so yeah like what's going if it's

not a rookie then who is it I mean like who's on the roster right now? Kyle's just Spencer Rattler? Yeah, it's Rattler. Oh, and Hanus. Yes, Hanus is. That's a great one to remember every time. I'll forget tomorrow and then I'll remember and I'll go, oh yeah, it's Hanus. Next, any-

Which isn't actually his real name, by the way. What's his real name? Haner. Oh yeah. His name is not actually heinous yeah all right Brian Robinson jr. ADP price check very very good team we talked at our running back ranking, our early running back ranking show from last week,

how important being on a winning team is. And I think last year at Times you saw why it was so valuable for Brian Robinson in this offense. He ended up at RB 29, but he only played 14 games. There was a time at the beginning of the season where this was like a top running back. Yeah, I mean, he was scoring the first seven weeks. He was 15.4 fantasy points per game.

Looked great on a great offense. But I've seen, I don't know his ADP, but I've seen him in ADP lists very late. I imagine he's a late fourth, early fifth. Oh no. He's got to be ahead of, I mean you mean you gotta put him ahead of Tyrone Tracy. No, no, no. He is, when I've been looking through ADP, just you know, doing whatever stat stocks we're making,

he always sticks out to me as one of my favorite picks. It's like, I think he's in the eighth round. Well I would imagine an underdog, it would be, he's like the least desirable player. So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go 8-0-1. I'm gonna say 5-0-1. I will go... I'm gonna put him in the seventh.

So behind Tyrone Tracy. Yeah, I'll go 7-0-3. People don't wanna... What was Tracy? Six, 10, was it? Yeah, so the... Tracy was 6? Yeah so the. Tracy was 608. So yeah I'll put them behind Tracy and they,

Washington has had three top 30 visits with the running back or with running backs and then they also did a private workout with Bashal Tutin. So like that doesn't count into the top 30. That's gonna be such a fun one. Tutin? Tutin. I mean we're gonna do some good work with that.

We need. That's not on us. No, we don't. You know what I mean? We get dealt the cards, we gotta play the cards. Yeah, his name is Tootin. I don't get to pick new cards. This is just what we do, man.

And when we got. My lip curled when you said his name. We got aces right out the gate, boys. With tootin'. Brian Robinson's at 710. That's his ADP. I win again! D, what'd you go with?

801. Oh, you went over, Price is right. Oh, is that the rules? Yeah. 710 is, you know, is his dead zone problems. Brian Robinson isn't gonna get all the work. He is going to score some. He was a low end RB1 through the first seven weeks

and got a little banged up. I mean, if they don't have anybody, he's going up, right? He's very, very unsexy. I expect that they will draft someone, but I think it's important when I look at the lists of players he is around, he's usually around other nebulous players in backfields that you don't really know who's the guy,

but they're on terrible teams. They can hand the ball to Debo. This is a team that's going to score a lot of points. I just feel like, I think Brian Robinson, Austin Eckler, and some Debo mixed in is enough at running back for this team to contribute their picks elsewhere. But if they draft somebody, you're going to be really doubtful of Brian Robinson's ability

to contribute. Yes. And he's not generally the kind of guy that gives you humongous weeks. He's so strange, because you can have, like week two was the Giants, where he had a big 40 yard run. He was 17 for 133 yards on the ground.

That's a 7.8 yards per carry. And you're just like, it's happening. It's happening for Brian Robinson. And then the next week, 16 carries for 33 yards against the Cincinnati Bengals. I've always liked Robinson just a little bit more than other people. And I have always liked him just a little bit less.

Yeah, so I mean, I just think he's one of those players that plays really hard, a scattaboo, if you will. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Put scattaboo in Washington, see what happens. Yeah, well. Cash those Super Bowl right now. We might, he's 26th in yards per carry, 4.27. 34th in miss tackle rate, 30th in rush success rate among 54 qualifying

RBs. This is just, this is like you've got to run it back. He thumps. He's big and he- If you take the default running back in Madden, that feels like Brian Robinson. Yeah. That's very, and I think that's, it's like a poor man's Nagi. Yeah, okay. You know? Sure. And Nagi is not someone that is exciting. A lot of people know Nagi's a poor man's Bija, something else.

He's a poor man's Lindale White. Oh, come now. All right. Let's take a break and we'll bring up a player. I am. I don't know. I might be falling I might be falling for him and it's probably stupid All right ADP price check on early offseason darling a player I think I might Early offseason darling a player I think I might be falling for Roma Dunze of the Chicago Bears Kenan Allen no longer a part of this offensive Dunze last year a rookie

Caleb the offensive line troubles. We've got a new head coach I think this is the year Roma Dunze takes a huge leap forward and I brought it up. I mean it There are years with Roma Dunze the talent where he's by far the number one receiver drafted. If he was in this draft, he's ahead of McMillan. He is a top 10 pick. So we'll see what year two brings. Year one, 54 for 734 and 3 that that's not that bad no it's not it's not that bad especially when a hundred plus targets went to Keenan

Allen and Caleb Williams forgot how to play football 50% of the time I think Roma doomsday is a probably gonna be a really good pick this year because I don't think people are drafting him assuming success they're drafting him hoping for success and so which is a sweet spot for fantasy taking a chance on certain players now where do you think he's going ADP wise I I would guess fifth or sixth round is the top of my head fifth round I think and and if we you know we game of fight everything because we're competitive and we just like winning but I'm sitting here looking at How these players were picked out and I'm like, okay, we've got we've got a seventh rounder

We got a fourth rounder. I haven't heard a fifth rounder yet. He's gotta be in the fifth. I'm gonna say 506 All right, I will go five oh two I will go five oh two five oh seven oh we are way off oh no we are way off right now is it going later um it is but I don't know if I trust it 701 yeah I win again I mean I I don't think he won't go that's not where he's gonna go in August But it does show you maybe the apprehension right now. Yeah, I would say I'm I'm skeptical. I mean give me give me players in the fifth round at wide receiver Not the ones going around him at 701 but players in the fifth round. Yeah, okay, you got it

DK Metcalf Devante Smith. Yeah, okay, you got it. Uh, DK Metcalf. Devontae Smith. Yeah, all those guys are going ahead of Adunze. Uh, Chris Godwin. Probably ahead. Jordan Addison. Dude, Roman Adunze is gonna end up on my guy. Mmm.

And it's not, it's against, it's gonna be against my will. Ha! Mmm. Some players just, some players... Mmm, not sure he can. Yeah, no. Have you seen the board? Have you seen the board, Andy?

What did you do? I don't know. I didn't write anything on the board. I'm just saying, I don't. There's marker up on the whiteboard. I don't know. It's been there for, I saw it happen. It was a while ago.

Yeah, it's been there for a while. What the heck are you talking about? I'm just saying, I don't think you're gonna get it. I said on the show. Yeah, but he said it with the board. The is the rules the board is always in the my guy I don't know what you're talking about. I mean, it's not Mike Well, I mean, you know don't look at the board Go look at the board. See what the board says

We send a spy. Okay, Jeremy's gonna go Jeremy. Jeremy will go and he'll report back. All right Anyways, talk more about my dude. I mean cuz look there's there's no way that we could have gotten that on the board Since you just said I think he'll be a my guy Right that had there'll be a magic trick of of incredible proportions unless Jeremy's writing it on the board right now That's a fair I Think he's gonna snap a picture and share it on the show. Okay. All right. Oh come on man. I hate this guy. Roma Duzai sucks. But like I am I'm hesitant of Rome. All those names. Well DK Metcalf

is gonna be tough. But all those guys I would have taken in front of Rome and Well, the rookie season wasn't bad. It's just I Don't know you want to see more than wide receiver 46 finish on the gear of the the guys who Like we haven't let's see top 10 wide receivers with 100 plus targets as a rookie Like we haven't let's see top 10 wide receivers with 100 plus targets as a rookie Rome is the only one who is in the 40s and the lowest finish of guys with 100 targets That would be Drake London at 30 before Rome did it this past year I mean that it's a and then London season and then London broke out and was was two years later sure

But this was not the next year though You look at what the offensive line has how that's changed here in Chicago Ben Johnson coming in the departure of other wider shoes. I think wrong. Yes, the externals should Point to Roma doons a having a good season. I agree with that He's going to be under drafted You know, it's funny because a lot of the picture. Yeah a lot of a lot of comparisons were made rightly or wrongly Between him and JSN as far as he went to a team where there were other wide receivers that he was behind You know JSN was drafted

Behind DK Metcalf and Tyler locket whereas Rome came in and you had Keenan Allen and DJ more there already And then you also had the Shane Waldron, you know, office of coordinator thing. But JSN this last year was a top 10 wide receiver. So Rome is just what a great pick. Just to be clear, he's not on your dynasty team, right? So we safe? Yes. Okay.

Thank goodness. Let's do some mailbag. Mailbag. mailbag mailbag first question coming in whatever happened between you and Jason why aren't you guys friends anymore does it have to do with stealing Roma doonsay this is a question from the future gene just asked gene just asked Doc Brown. Yeah. Here's exactly what happened. I'm remembering, hold on, I'm remembering

the discussion on the show. The discussion on the show a few weeks ago, because I brought up that Rome might be climbing into my My Guy, and you said, you know what, that's funny, because I've got DJ Moore as my My Guy. I love DJ Moore. Maybe we'll have a competition about it. Yep, that is exactly what we had said way back then it has been written right behind

you for weeks yeah okay okay a real question from Lex so upset wax in Maryville Tennessee oh no I don't need a Rome question what is the what is the question Roma doons air T Hins? In a PPR dynasty startup. Did you just put this in here? So this is super ironic. Rome or T. Higgins in dynasty. In a startup? In a startup.

I mean, this is just do you believe or not. T is gonna be fine and good for your team. T is 26.2 years old. Yeah, I think I take Rome. And Rome is about to be 23. Yeah, I mean, I love both of these guys dearly. If this was a redraft, I would flip them, but that age gap will...

Really? Yeah. I'll go, I'll play T. I mean, T's had his own problems. You know what I mean? Yeah, he absolutely has. If you are drafting to win today, T's the better pick. The age gap of 23 to 26 is,

that doesn't scare me off of T Higgins who is now connected with Joe Burrow. It's not just, the Rome Hope is not just Rome. The Rome Hope is not just Rome. The Rome Hope is also in Caleb. I'm not saying I'm betting against those guys, but I know that Joe Burrow is the top five quarterback in the NFL. The dude just produces tons of fantasy points for his wide receivers. Yes, and he has the injury problems, but that's where I would make my bet.

Ryan writes in off of Instagram, what's Drake May's outlook? Rushing upside makes him feel valuable. Yeah, but that team is going to be, I don't know that they're going to turn it around anytime soon. Yeah. So it's just like for Drake May, it would. 421 yards rushing in two touchdowns last year in 13 games. That's pretty nice.

Stephon Diggs coming to join the roster, maybe some stability in the passing game. Much better head coach. We have a tremendous amount of confidence in with Mike Rable. What is his outlook? His outlook is he's a contender for a surprise season at quarterback. Where you have, we're bringing his name up more often

than you'd expect on the streaming prediction show on Thursday and you know, to me I think that's really possible. Yeah, I would expect him to finish somewhere around quarterback 15. The fact that he can run the ball and is really secure in his position. Let me guess, is it my guy for you?

Do you wish he was? Because you could talk me into it. At a minimum, I'm going to take all that credit. What about Justin Herbert? Mike Benjamino writes in, how do we feel about Herbert this year? I'd like to hear where Jason is on Herbert. My guy, for Jason. Yeah, so what we saw last year with Justin Herbert was

quarterback 13 with the first five games being real slow. Yeah, that's what I was gonna bring up. There was a shift, This was the first time that G-Row and Hard Dog come to the Chargers, they wanna establish the run. They start out and you look at the attempts, just the passing attempts, how much they let Justin Herbert throw the ball at the beginning of the year.

26 times, 20 times, 18 times, 27. That's like, that is not who Justin Herbert has been in his career. And they really unleashed him, completely said, look, this is our leader, we're going to pass more. And you know what that unleashing worked out to though? On a, I'm going weeks eight through 18, which eight was his first top 12 finish of the season where he put up 24

points so I mean 24 points in your the QB 12s like we had a big week but from that from those weeks it's 4,200 yards and 26 touchdowns like that's not you cannot you cannot do special with the current group. Like receiving. You need them to draft someone? You have to add somebody more meaningful. Lad McConkey by himself with Quinton Johnston. Yeah, you have to, there has to be a, like maybe you add one of the big tight ends in the draft.

Oh, I mean that's, I think that is who they're hoping. If Loveland or Tyler Warren can fall to them, I think they would take that. The other hard part is if their defense plays the way that they want it to, they will not throw as much as you want them to. That's true. That's true. If they can win, not throwing it as much, they will. Yeah, so from a fantasy perspective, I don't think that this is a team that would ever

let Justin Herbert be a top three tight end. I do think though, you know, you talk about what- Quarterback. Yes, or tight end. I still stand by my statement, 100%. I think you're allowed to go with that one, it's a good bet. I'm safe there.

But, you know, obviously 4,300 passing yards is fine. But obviously 4,300 passing yards is fine. 26 touchdowns would be very disappointing for fantasy. But the touchdowns are the thing where if he gets another weapon in the draft, I think the touchdowns can come up. I was just more talking about the passing attempts, the fact that after their bye week, when they kind of turned it over to him he was at 31

passing attempts a game and that's enough for him to be pretty valuable he also was running the ball a little bit more which is great because he's got the skill set to do that i mean that that time you know from week six on he was on pace for almost 400 rushing yards we have not seen Justin Herbert We have not seen Justin Herbert be anything special in the touchdown percentage since his sophomore year. He has been. What did he throw his sophomore year? So sophomore year. Did he get to 40?

That was 38. 38. So 5.7% of his attempts. Like that's a really good percentage. Keenan and Mike Williams. The following three years though, it's league average or below. By the way. That's a long way, we're wrapping this show up, but I did repost the picture of the three of us

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