Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - AFC West Breakdown + Jason's Devastating Curse - Fantasy Football Podcast for 7/12

Episode Date: July 12, 2025

Fantasy Football show for July 12, 2025. Saturday show! AFC West preview for the 2025 fantasy football season! Will the Chiefs air it out more? Can Bo Nix take another step forward? Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos, Raiders discussed on today’s episode! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.Connect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord

Hey, it's Corla Sutton and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright. Welcome in. It's a bad day to be a lawn, guys. That's the truth. It's a Saturday edition. Lots of feedback on the lawn-related manual labor discussion we had a couple of episodes ago. Some people asked Mike and I to mow their lawns for them

because we were pro labor. Some people were with Jason, certainly. And one person said very proudly that they they have a very expensive house and a Yellow lawn and they're happy and proud and be lazy with your lawn which I find revolting Yeah, I mean I find revolting too if you can afford that house get some landscapers You know what I mean take care of business, but you just don't do it yourself too bright too bright and outside Take care of business. But you just don't do it yourself. Too bright, too bright and outside.

Well, it is Saturday. We've got our third show of the week. It's a divisional breakdown of the AFC West, wrapping up the entire AFC. And then we'll take a break. We'll do a mock draft episode next week and jump into the NFC divisional breakdowns at that point, which is gonna be fun.

Today's division is fun. I mean, we're in the AFC West. It is very fun. And so AFC West, it seems, you know, on the surface, like maybe discussions around who will win the division seem moot at times because, what, it's been nine straight years of Chiefs on top but there are just a lot of very interesting teams for fantasy and good teams. And for the NFL.

Yeah, very good teams. So that's today's show. We got some news. We got some answers around Najee Harris. Oh man. Which I don't think we had talked about. I don't know that it's a full answer. We talked about it on the footcast but we did not talk about it on the main show. Yeah, so what we- It was, the rumors were too scandalous.

The problem- And unsubstantiated. The problem is that they were rightish. Yeah. Like, you know, it's one thing to be like, oh, the internet, ah, you just say things to say things. It's another when it's mostly right, and no one came out and talked about it,

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You can watch it on YouTube, youtube.com slash the fantasy footballers. Very thankful that Jason put a shirt back on this morning. Ooh, brother, barely, right before show time. We did some pickleball before the show and he felt the need to air it out I guess is the expression he was drying it off I showered and then I got out and you have a post-op stop sweating

Yeah, it sounds like I gotta sit shirtless in front of a fan I was so sweaty like right when you push the intro music to this show I took my phone out of my pocket and that phone was drenched That's scary. Did you replace your chair? No, I'm just, the chair's going to do what the chair's going to do. It is only his chair.

So I'm really, I don't care. We're OK. It's mine. I'll deal with it. You ever sit in that chair, Mike? No. No. Don't recommend it.

Different people have different slowdown speeds on the sweat after a workout. Yeah. Some people can kind of recover quickly. Mine's about two hours. Jason's always been like a very long after the shower sweater. After the workout, it's not the shower that causes me to sweat.

No, but even through the shower, I mean. Yes, yes, through the shower. The shower doesn't do anything to slow it down. It cleans the first layer. How hot are you taking these showers? No, I take a freezing cold shower. Do you? Yeah, I spend like the last three minutes totally cold.

All the way cold. Hmm. I'm a weird guy. No, I don't think that's a weird thing to do. I'm saying I'm weird that I can sweat through that. It's weird that it doesn't stop you from sweating, yeah. Have you tried the whole thing cold? Hmm.

No, not really. Aw, boogah. Okay, well, I know what my next shower feels like. Let's jump into that news. Let's talk about Naji and what happened. News and notes from around the league. It is debatable as to whether we have what would be called cold water in Arizona, because you can only get it so cold through the tap. Yeah, it runs out pretty fast. It does. Naji Harris' agent... Well, let me through the tap. Yeah it runs out pretty fast. It does. Najee Harris's agent.

Well let me set the stage. He lost an eye! That was the stage that was that was that was the that was the hardest thing we heard online was that in a fourth of July accident something happened with Najee Harris he injured his. Some people were saying he lost his eye. And we have NFL history, Jason Pierpaul, fireworks accident. It's Saturday, July 12th today. July 4th was a long time ago. And we heard nothing on this issue. And it was all speculative. But then you had like some of the evidence was like beat reporters were posting hearts on like Najee's posts. And we still to this day do not know the real details of how bad an injury was but finally yesterday his agent came out and said he is expected to be ready to start the season after sustaining what they're calling a superficial eye injury

during a fireworks mishap that sent multiple people to the hospital. So obviously terrible, terrible thing to have happened. I don't know what happened with the NFL insiders, no reporting from his camp setting the record straight and we don't know the severity of a superficial eye injury but it seems like he'll be ready to play football. But it got, it got hairy. Yeah. It was, that was strange. And when I say mostly right, it's like, it'd be one thing if, you know, yes, he didn't

lose an eye. Thank God. But he did have a fireworks, Fourth of July injury, and we knew about it for seven days and no one talked about it. So hopefully he is okay Hopefully everybody else involved in the incident is okay But that is the latest update because when you start hearing things about you know, maybe losing his career over this accident Which is what was being talked about pretty terrifying. Yeah, and a superficial eye injury means his eye was injured

It didn't penetrate the deep parts of the eye, but it he probably did have his cornea affected This doesn't a superficial eye injury does not mean he has no eye damage So we're still waiting. Yes, still waiting, but does he get one of those cool like the anime scars? Oh if it went like that goes across yeah like how are those guys getting those scars and they're either it's no my eyes they squinted the knife came down and they lost your sword with the thinnest part of skin on my body yeah like how's our cool they are cool if I do a character creation screen in a video game I add one of those every time. If you've got deep inset eyes, you know,

and it's just pouring up away, I think that's what happens. The problem is people should be poking the eye. They shouldn't be slicing downward. That's the mistake on them. All right, where are we? It's Saturday. 49ers wide receiver updates,

because we need more of those. We did have a report that it's not out of the question according to the often inaccurate San Francisco Bay reporters. I love this report. I guess that's a little disrespectful, but we've been fooled by them over the years. But it does say it's not out of the question that Brandon Iuke can play in week one. Okay. But you know what else is not out of the question? Well, landing-

He starts on the pup. Yeah, landing on the pup is still likely. Which means- You know what else is not out of the question? Well, Laning starts on the pup. Yeah, Laning on the pup is still likely. Which means. You know what else is not out of the question? That Tom Brady plays quarterback this year. Like, they are saying it's not out of the question that he plays week one, but also he may not be allowed

to play until week five, and there's no guarantee that once he's right off of the pup, that he goes right onto the field. Like, do you have any idea what's going on here? San Francisco? I do. ACL, MCL, meniscus. Very, very unlikely he's there in week one. Surgery was in November. Yeah, and if he is there in week one, do not expect him to be anywhere near full strength. DeMarcus Robinson pleaded no contest this week to a misdemeanor DUI charge, was

sentenced to three years of probation. He also plays for the 49ers. So he'll get a... So he'll get a what is it four game? He'll get something from the league. They have not ruled on it yet, but the legal likely suspend DeMarcus Robinson. So in reality, DeMarcus Robinson and Brandon Iyuk were probably both miss the first four games of the 2025 season. So the Ricky Pearsall discussions and whoever you like there in San Francisco in the wide receiver room for the first four weeks are gonna have opportunities. And also reports that Christian McCaffrey looks healthy

and quote, so explosive. Wait, who said that? Oh, UseChek said that. Yeah. No, wait. Okay. Yeah, I mean, it's good. It's not even regular explosive. It's great to hear.

It's funny because when I saw this, whatever, it's a fluff piece, but you don't want to hear that he looks bad or that he's going to be at full strength soon. So this is good, but you combine, he looks so explosive right now with the 49ers schedule. No, but I mean, I'm just thinking this is a team that is projected to win a lot of games, be up in a lot, have easy defenses. Man, we took Christian McCaffrey in the Scottie Fish Bowl. That is a large, you know, you've got to play against thousands of people, and so. It's because you play to win. Yeah, exactly.

That's the argument for Christian McCaffrey. It is not an argument that he's guaranteed to stay healthy. Correct. That would be a dumb argument. It makes no sense. We literally walked down the road of disappointment with Christian McCaffrey making these exact same arguments. Everything going into the season,

the argument to draft him last year was, he should be fine, he looks explosive, he looks healthy. We got a million reports. Did they say he looks explosive and looks healthy? No, no, no. Genuinely, because last year it was, he's injured. Yes, that is the difference. But we expect him to... No, I know. Everyone was saying he should be good to go by week one. He should be good to go by week one. But that's different. They were saying he should be good to go by week one. He should be good to go by week one. But that's different. Like, it was, they were saying he should be good to go by week one because he wasn't. And that's on us to be like, I don't know, man,

maybe we should have had a little bit more. We also had reports middle of the season that he was looking really good when he then missed more time due to Achilles tendonitis cropping back up. No, no, that was the PCL. He came back like. Well, no, I know he PCL. He came back like. Well, no, I know he had the secondary injury

in the Buffalo game. I'm just talking about predating that there was a lot of anticipation about him being okay, a lot of reports about him being okay before he missed prolonged amounts of time due to the tendonitis lasting much longer than people expected. The truth of the matter is.

Yeah, that's fair. Is he is and will not evade being an injury risk and he is young enough on a good enough team with enough talent and versatility to win you your league. Circling back to the main point, Christian McCaffrey is a draft pick to not finish fourth. He's a draft pick to not finish third. You're not taking players hoping that they're pretty good. Not everybody where Christian McCaffrey is going can put up a season that Christian McCaffrey can do. Even if you throw out Josh Jacobs.

Like Josh Jacobs' best season and Christian McCaffrey's best season are very, very different. So you can take Jacobs under the guise of safety, which no player's really that safe. Yes. So if you want to play to win the game, McCaffrey is an eligible lottery

ticket that could lead you to the Scrooge McDuck vault. I think that's the the biggest takeaway Andy is is no one's safe. Nobody, nobody, no running back in the NFL is safe from injury or missing games. Nobody's safe but you can also avoid them if you want to, because you don't want to go through that again, or you just went through it last year. Yeah, if you want to deal with it, the pain from a fresh face,

then just take someone else's. Yeah, if you want a versatile, different, variant pain from some other person you can hate next year, draft somebody different. Bijan is safe and immune from injury. Oh my goodness. I Don't even know what to do with that statement. He's playing 17 people You guys are mad at you Are we mad at you who says stuff like that?

Nobody just comes out and says that a certain players fine When we didn't bring him up Matt just hit the 17 snaps. Now you know that's going to hang over your head for every minute of this entire next. Yeah, he's fine. I'm the one over here. It's like Christmas. Catherine's going to be fine. Yeah. Which side do you want to be on? Neither of your sites. My own side. All right. We will or maybe I don't know maybe Jimmy or Gibbs side maybe Saquon side I don't know. We'll go ahead and jump right in we're gonna get into our divisional breakdown right here right now Let's get divisional No one's talking about Bijan no one says anything about Bijan out of the bushes he goes

Bijan no one says anything about Bijan out of the bushes he goes You don't find for the word here. We weren't naming names. No, but you said no player is safe Yes, and I was letting you know there is one that is safe That's a ones coming off crazy volume at 28 years old Derek Henry's old Devon a Chan's undersized Amir gives is undersized you got a young all caps Kyle Kyle just said I hate you Jason. Al just said shut up Jason. Bijan had over 300 carries. He's a young man built for it. He fine, not scared. What was Breeze Hall? Was he a young man built for it? He's a little smaller. Oh my gosh. Yeah, is he? Of all the dumb things you've ever said on the show, that was the dumbest. That can't be.

That was the dumbest. No way. I'm looking at at least the weights that are being recorded to us, Jason. Breeze Hall, 5'11", 217. Bijan Robinson, 5'11", 215. Yeah, I'm not surprised at what he said was wrong. One of those is a small guy.

One's a really big guy built for the workload. Yeah. Same height. I'm going to look up their weights and tell you what the real numbers are. Why does that matter? None of that matters. Of course that matters.

No, you can still get hurt. Of course you can get hurt. But it matters whether you. We're playing with dark magic right now, Jason. This nothing we're talking about is rational at all. I'm just telling you he's playing 17. And you're weight. Yeah, you keep saying 17 with 17 snaps.

You're weight and your ACL. I'm not saying what. Don't look at weight and ACL correlation. I'm not sure that they are together. Would you say that Devon Aitchin is a bigger injury risk than Breece Hall or Derrick Henry? And if so, based on what? Based on his past injury. Yeah, past injury. Oh really he's gotten injured before. I wonder why that small guy's gotten injured.

It's not that they don't get banged up easier. It's that I don't think there's a direct correlation to snapping a knee ligament. In fact some of the smaller more athletic players are the ones that turn on a dime more. Hold on, hold on. I gotta update you here. Here's Christian McCaffrey listed. 5'11", 210. Christian McCaffrey's always been known as a slightly undersized back. Always. He came in at like 205. When was his first injury? How old was he? I bet he was pretty young. It was year four for him. I want to sign documents making sure I'm not held responsible for what was uttered on this show when it goes south. Sorry, Kyle.

For no good reason, for no reason. We're into the AFC West. This show is about off-season changes, players that have changed teams within the division, rookies, coaches, and we'll look at the offenses, we'll look at how they can function, we'll look at our takes and the win totals

and what we think's gonna happen, and answer some of the big questions about these four teams, Kansas City, Los Angeles, Denver, and Las Vegas. The Chiefs have won the AFC West nine years in a row. In fact, if you wanna make it. Kyle, what was the Patriot run? Divisional? Yeah.

I wanna say it was double digits for sure. I mean like 11 to 13 is my guess, maybe 14. Yeah, it was. Kyle will figure that out for us. Yeah, it had to be like 14. I think it was something like that. Cause they won when Brady went down. I don't know if they won the division in the castle.

I know they made the playoffs I think, but I don't know if they won the division that year. I believe they did all. But Kyle, you know, he's crying because of what you threw out there in the universe about being a genre. He should be happy. He's a Falcons fan. I just let him know good news. You're welcome.

2003, 2019, they won every year except for the Castle year. Except for the Castle year. Oh, okay. Yeah, so that wasn't consecutive. Kyle's told that back to us in a very... That is... So what was the longest run in that stretch? Kyle? It's looking like 10.

Okay. Okay, 11. It was 11, so you got some... Oh no, Brooks at NFL record 11, straight AFC East division titles. Here's some stats around the Chiefs that are even more ridiculous. They have one AFC West loss on the road with Patrick Mahomes as a starter. He's 33 and 5 in the division. This one's the

crazy one. Since he became the starter in 2018, the Chiefs have played in every single AFC title game and five of the last six Super Bowls. So it's as good as it gets and when we talk about the 15 and 2 Bowls. So it's as good as it gets and when we talk about the 15 and 2 Chiefs last year's you know they were 12 and 0 in one score games. Impossible. And so it was it was kind of annoying there were fluky games, missed field goals, blocked field goals, there were flukes. However, you're going to win more of your one score games with Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. That's going to...

They create their own luck. They do. 72% win percentage in one score games for the career for Mahomes. So 12 and 0, outlier, 15 wins, too many. They were projected to win 11 and a half, and this year it's 11 and a half. And if I was Vegas, I'd make it 11 and a half every year

until Patrick Mahomes retires. They do have the 27th hardest schedule now wait does that mean it's difficult? Yes. Goodness that would make it the 27th hardest that would make it like the fourth hardest right? That's how it would work. Oh man, it's a Saturday. Yeah so Kyle to be clear this is one of the worst schedules is that right? It is very very hard. So that would be on a scale of hardest out of 32 teams what is it? I added hardest to help you. That's not it. You got it incorrect Hardest is it's not the 27th hardest. That would be an easy schedule. They have the 27th most difficult schedule No, they don't No, they don't is it but you're gonna say how the fifth most difficult schedule. That's what it is

Yeah, it's mmm. I see what you're saying. Yes but you're fired. Yeah can we start the show over please? Oh my gosh we are not here. Jason's still sweating he just guaranteed Bijan's healthy. We all know the Chiefs are gonna win the division. Look their schedule might be hard I don't know. Oh my gosh. See they're really hard to real easy. Oh my gosh it is a it's a difficult schedule. It would be the fifth hardest schedule. That's the truth.

Oh man. They were 12th in points per game, 19th in yards per game. It was not a special offense. The defense was special. This is kind of the equation now with Kansas City is you look at them for fantasy options like you did in the past

and it's harder to find when your defense is that good. When you can manage the game and win. You went 15 and two with the 19th best yards per game offense. Yeah, this is the opposite of the Bengals. We talked about the Bengals, and one of the reasons we like them so much is because they have good offensive pieces

that are required to try to score 35 points to win. When you are up and your defense is shutting the other team down, you can run, you can dink and dunk, you can do little screens, take up a lot of clock, win the game one, score games very easily. That was frustrating last year. They were probably the worst, best team of all time to watch play. Like no one enjoyed watching Chiefs games last year and they can do it again Well chiefs fans. Yeah, okay, sure don't say nobody Well, I'm saying that no fans of football other than people that are have a vested interest enjoyed That brand of football was not enjoyable

The the Bengals have a bad defense and so they could score so we've got to project the defense going forward this year They've got Chris Jones back. I think their defense is going to be basically just as good as it was last year. So they can win ugly games again. They do play tougher teams, or so we think. And the player subtractions, no more DeAndre Hopkins, Justin Watson, P Ryan, whatever. The additions, whatever. Juju Smith-Schuster. Elijah Mitchell. Thirty going, whatever. JuJu Smith-Schuster.

Elijah Mitchell. 30 going on 50. Elijah Mitchell doesn't, might not make the team. Kareem Hunt will make the team. And the addition is Rashid Rice is back. Rashid Rice is back from injury, that is correct. To me, I said this many many months ago, I do believe that Isaiah Pacheco has a path to be the dominant force in the backfield. At the time we saw him come back from injury at the end of last year, he was not himself. Kareem Hunt had a big role. Kareem Hunt's a year older and a year slower. So I do think Pacheco, I'm just trying to find fantasy value on this team right now. Yeah, Pacheco's drafted late, you know, compared to last year.

I mean, Pacheco's the running back 22. There is a path. If he is healthy, which at the end of last season he just wasn't. He came back, he looked terrible. Kareem Hunt looked better than him. So the way that I've got it projected, because around the goal line and in the passing game, Kareem Hunt was very much involved. He was involved as much or more than Pacheco down the stretch

and they got all the way to the Super Bowl. So I can see them just re-rolling that. Kareem Hunt knows this system well. He's a great veteran. And even if Pacheco has a little bit more juice, they might trust Hunt more. I think it will be a split. But if Hunt, who wasn't explosive in his own right, a year older, and a young Pacheco a year healthier, yeah, that's the pathway for Pacheco to just come out and be the workhorse that he was for two weeks to start last year. He needs it.

Like, Pacheco is, he's very fast. And in terms of his running back skills of the way I look at it, I think he is, he's a starting running back. I don't know that, I think that Pacheco is a real special talent, so I think he would need to get back into that. More work.

Getting all that volume. But in terms of, like the ADP is. Let me test it for you. Let me give you names that are right there. He's going right at the exact same spot as another running back. They're both averaging the 606. It's Isaiah Pacheco and Aaron Jones.

Oh man. Yeah, I might not want to answer that. I'll probably take Aaron Jones. That's a tough. I think so. If you were to go wide receiver, you could go Chris Godwin or Jerry Judy. Would you rather have Pacheco or one of those wide receivers?

I mean, I like the value on Pacheco there versus wide receivers. It's like when you're when you're talking about the players, the running backs who are not being drafted, what running back number is he? 22. Okay, so he is slightly inside the top 24. Yeah, that's not that. That's not low enough. But, Andy, in the 709, over a full round later, you can get Deandre Swift. Would you rather have Swift or J. Swift? Yeah, I'd rather have Swift. Now, if they were both there at the sixth round... I'd still rather have Swift. I think I'd rather have Swift. I thought so too. Yeah, no, okay, so maybe he's not as discounted, and maybe you're gonna get more of a groundswell in

training camp. And as of right this second, you've got Judkins, Henderson, RJ Harvey, all behind you. Alright, well, sorry I brought them up. No, no, it's a worthy conversation. I was with you. I thought we were getting to the place where Pacheco was becoming more interesting. He needs to fall a little bit. And the team's always willing to trust less athletic guys to just fill the role. I mean, Kareem Hunt is not in peak form.

Samajay P. Ryan, not peak, has had a role before. We've had different running backs in Kansas City that just kind of, I mean, Clyde had a role. Yeah, the question for the Chiefs is the passing game. And the passing game comes down to primarily Travis Kelsey. Does it now? Let's find out after this break. Whoa. ["Dog on Fire"]

Sorry, we were a little late on the break, Jay. You were talking about the passing game, and that is going to come down primarily to Travis Kelsey. So Travis Kelsey has always had a 24 to 700,000% market share of this offense. Even last year, now granted, Rushie Rice went down to injury and he's still in a down year. His usage was really good, 24% of the targets last year. However, those first three weeks when Rushie Rice was playing, 15% of the targets,

14% of the targets, 14% of the targets, 14% of the targets. We've never seen Travis Kelce around there. The rest of the season when Rushy Rice was gone, that's when he was up at 26% of targets the rest of the way. So I think you've got to project him first to know how much is left for Rushy Rice, for Xavier Worthy. Is it just going to be all of these guys, Hollywood Brown, and there's really no value to be here, They're not going to have to score a lot

of points because of their great defense checkout? Or Travis Kelce takes just a demotion in the packing order and Rushie Rice is a star? Or Xavier Worthy, who broke out the second half last year as a rookie, fastest man in the NFL with Patrick Mahomes. Now, maybe they're talking about Aaron it out downfield. Who are you putting your chips on? I'm going with Rasheed Rice. Looking at the receiver room, I don't... When Xavier Worthy finally started to make some things happen, it was over the second half of the season, and they had pulled him in closer to the line of scrimmage, at least where his targets were, and they were trying to let him do yards after catch stuff the way that Rashid Rice is.

So can he, but Rice is just, if Rice is healthy, he's much better at that than Worthy. So do they put Worthy back, or I would say, I'm projecting Worthy will go back to his, try to be a traditional wide receiver, and I don't know that he is good enough to really command a high target share in that role. Yeah, I think roles evolve and players evolve and offenses evolve. And when you see what you had in Xavier Worthy over the back half of the year and how valuable he was,

including two monster touchdowns in the Super Bowl on big plays, I mean, to me, Worthy's taken a step up over the back half of the year. A rookie year with 100 targets. I think all three of those players, I think Kelsey will still have value. I mean, Kelsey's in good shape. He wants to come back and make an impact. And so- Are you drafting him as- He's never gone at 6'11. I'm fine taking him there. I'm fine taking him in the late six, early seven and taking a shot at it.

Yeah, I mean, he could still be a touchdown machine around the red zone. He could pull on Antonio Gates. I know last year he only had three red zone touchdowns, but he's got that skill set certainly. I believe he was number one in targets. All tight ends in red zone targets. All tight ends in red zone targets. I mean we're talking about his down year being, how many total targets did he have last year? Travis Kelsey had 133 targets, 97 catches.

So you get that in the seventh round with touchdown upside, that's fine. Yeah, I mean seeing 133 targets turn into 823 yards is bad. Andy, I know you have been worthy over Rice through this off season, but are you really off of both players, or are you targeting Xavier Worthy, or have you switched to Rice now? They're only around a part, so it's hard not to go with Rice.

Worthy's climbed that high? Yeah, it's 408 and 511. Oh, I just over 21 and 27. I do think that both of those players project to be in the Their ceilings to be lower teens So a lot of distribution over I mean we didn't talk about Hollywood because we're not looking at him as a fantasy option But he will be a an NFL option. Yeah, he'll be a streaming play someone that if you need a play off the waivers or I Just mean to take away from rice and worthy on a weekly basis a little bit There's still going to be a lot of targets in in Kansas City and rice for all his his astounding work last year. He had

Three games played and yeah, only one of them was inside that top 15. And he's coming off of an injury where there's you know disputed you watch these videos of him in camp and some people are like look how good he looks and other people are like he's hobbling on that knee. So yeah I would say that both of them have a ceiling slightly above where they're being drafted but I just it's unpredictable in Kansas City. That's the challenge with the wide receiver room, and then you talked about the defense, and so that's about where I have those guys. They start on the road against the Chargers,

Philadelphia at home, the Giants on the road, and then Baltimore, so some fun games. Chargers, Philly, Baltimore. Three out of four tough ones. So yeah, those'll be entertaining games that you're probably gonna have to score some points, because those other teams are gonna put some up on you. Let's talk about the Chargers. You wanna do that? Yes.

Oh by the way, one quick final question there. Mahomes, what are you willing to do with Mahomes? I'm willing to watch him go to someone else's team. Yeah? That's pretty much where I am too. Yeah, I mean he might be the lowest he's ever been, but I don't think he's low enough. It is the lowest. He's been the ADP one, two, or three every year since he was starting basically. Right now he's still being drafted as the sixth quarterback off the board, and he finishes the quarterback 11, but you could say, oh that's not bad, but he was terrible. I mean, he was an F inconsistency that his good games, 23% of his games last season was, you know, in four point

exceeded 20 points. What percentage chance do you give him to him and the chiefs to go to revert back to the high flyers? I think there's a 30% chance that happens, but I think the majority is, I mean, it got to the Super Bowl. They don't need to destroy this thing, tear it down and rebuild. They just need to keep on winning. They get there no matter what they do.

It doesn't matter what style their offense is. They just get there. Chargers 11 and six last year, four and four in one score games, didn't have the amazing 12 and 0 run of the Chiefs. Their projected win total last year was nine, they outpaced that, it's nine and a half this year, they have a middle of the pack strength of schedule,

so it's kind of not gonna factor into the analysis here. 13th in points per game, 20th in yards per game. They passed it. Uh, they were the 23rd ranked team in terms of passing percentage and 10th and rushing. It was what we expected for the most part from Harbaugh and Giro. But the defense was amazing. I mean, it's very similar to what Kansas City's recipe was. They were number one in points per game allowed on defense.

But you did see a back half of the year where they trusted Justin Herbert a lot more. A lot more. And it correlated with Lad McConkie evolving as a go-to target in the offense. And kind of the lowering efficiency of JK Dobbins over the back half of the year as well. So it does, it begs a question a little bit like did they did they feel forced to put more in Herbert's hands because Dobbins efficiency kind of collapsed and then they so they solved for that with Najee Harris and the drafting of Amari Hampton.

And Jason, you uttered yes. Do you believe that that's kind of what happened? Yeah, I do. I mean, if you look at J.K. Dobbins, he missed a stretch of games towards the end of last season, came out the gates on fire. You know, those first two weeks had a 61-yard run, a 43-yard run, was an explosive back, and then really took a step back from that point forward

He was not good 2.9 yards 2.3 yards 3.8 2.9 Like atrociously bad on an efficiency and explosiveness factor And so yeah, they they pivoted away after that first month and said well, we've got Justin Herbert We've got to win more with him and then you go. Okay Well, maybe they realized that Justin Herbert's the dude and so they're going to come out this year and throw more just like they did the second half of last year. But what were their transactions? Their transactions were to immediately go out and sign Najee Harris and then spend their first round pick on a running back.

They want to be able to establish it. They care about winning games and you know if they've got a good defense and a hardball and they can run the ball, they're going to win more games. Now, Herbert's great. They also added Trey Harris, a wide receiver in the draft I love. I think he went pick 55? 55! I pushed the button.

I'm not even 100% on that one. That's why I was laughing. But, yeah, I mean, I think this is a team that's gonna run the ball more and run the ball successfully. He did? All right. They did add Tyler Conklin at the tight end position, Trey Harris at wide receiver, lost Joshua Palmer,

and added Mike Williams back to the offense. I think balance is what they're aiming for. Yes. The ability to come back and win in a game they're losing, the ability to dominate with the offensive line in the running game on games that they're winning or neutral game scripts. So, you know, can Justin Herbert return

to being an elite fantasy option as a top six guy? Can he, yes. Will he, probably not. But I've got good news, Andy. They have the 15th ranked strength of schedule. So we know no matter what, no matter how I word it, it's middle. That's right.

Just an average schedule. That's right. 15th easiest. Also the 15th hardest. Yeah, about there. Yeah. Najee Harris, we talked about him in the news, but he has been an Ironman, which is what we have expected from him to be able to come in here and be. Other guys would have lost an eye. Najee. Not Najee?

No. Because he closed the little flap. Yeah. The flap, that's what we call it. We don't know what happened, so I don't want to joke about it anymore. That's fair. I mean, it's easy enough to be like,

the fireworks thing, it's a crazy event, but let's just see how he's doing. Amarion Hampton was, he is currently going three rounds ahead of Najee. So the rookie running back that they took in the first round who on film, love him, well rounded, does everything well, in my opinion. I think it's a really difficult running back room.

Because look, Hampton, the stats on first round running backs are they just they are some of the best bets in fantasy football I it Naji was a first-round running back but the that split of right now back of the fourth versus back of the seventh I think that's a little too confident by the drafters that saying like it's for sure gonna work out to be Hampton because he like he needs to be substantially better than Najee for that to work out as a good draft pick. Najee could be the starter the entire season. I think ruling that out and just putting all your chips on Hampton is not being honest to what the real situation

is. I won't argue with you if you was like Hampton's just such a better running back, but they immediately went and got Najee and Najee can absorb so many carries that he will be on the field. I think it'll be a time share. I do think Amarion wins out as the lead. I mean, Gus Edwards was the starter last year, and then it was like Dobbins is better. They're gonna see that Najee, who is much better than Gus Edwards,

he's a good quality back, but he is not as good as Hampton. Hampton will play his way more and more onto the field. And I remember in the off season, Mike, after the Najee-Harris signing, you were talking about if they were to go out and get another running back, you could see that running back if he's good. Taking over.

Taking over by the end. And I'm curious, you know, NFL draft scouting, you weren't as high on Hampton as Andy and I, who we love Omarion Hampton. If Trevion Henderson had come here, would you be like, he's's gonna take over? I would think, I think Hampton will take over. It's just it's about the ADP of that he is where he is and Najee is where he is. That's the discrepancy that I take issue with. I think Hampton does end up becoming the starter before the end of the year. It's just at what point. Because if you're going, I mean, he's a first-rounder, so this is not apples to apples, but it's like the,

Jonathan Taylor, when he was drafted, and we all loved Jonathan Taylor, got drafted in the second round, and you're like, Marlon Mack is in front of him. You're like, Marlon Mack? And then the way it was playing out, if you drafted Jonathan Taylor, you got completely bailed out. That Marlon Mack went down to, I think it was an Achilles, I don't remember which injury it was, but it was like up until the point of the injury, Marlon Mack was the 1A.

So that's all I mean of if you're going to spend a fourth on that guy, you gotta be patient, you gotta wait for it to happen. It's always correlating to your belief of the talent of that player. It's one of the reasons why Jason was a stone cold lock on Breece Hall as a rookie in the face of Michael Carter. It's why you are so confident in Trevion Henderson in the face of Ramondre Stevenson.

And I think it's why Jason and I are more confident in Amari and Hampton, showing enough evidence that, it's always gonna be a timeshare. It's just gonna be how effective, efficiency is very, very, like, high odds in this offense. You don't necessarily have to have 20 carries in Los Angeles because they are so effective on the ground.

Like the games that, I mean, JK Dobbins shocked the world to start that year last year, and it was big plays, it was chunk plays, so I think it's just a matter of who's the most effective player and does Omarion earn the trust of things like goal line, third down, and eventually the majority of the work. Right, oh Mack only had four carries? Yeah, that was instantaneous.

We never got to see how that one played out. Oh man, 15% of snaps. I'm sorry, I apologize. I remember that one incorrectly. Probably remember a little bit of camp in there. Maybe, maybe that's what it was. A difference for me for the Henderson situation difference for me for the Henderson situation like versus this one the Chargers 31 out of 32 teams and talking talking running back target percentage

they do Greg Roman doesn't throw to his running backs you know that was like we're like way was that a Ravens thing was that a Lamar Jackson thing I think it's a Greg Roman thing and so that if you aren't getting the bulk of the carries, there's not gonna be a ton of targets to go around to this running back position. So that's where I'm more nervous about this timeshare. Lad McConkey at two 11, you like that spot in drafts or no? I love it.

I do not tie break us It seems expensive But you think bringing in Quentin Johnston bringing in Trey Harris Having a better running game. Are you using huge as a reason? I'm just saying There are more didn't you say Mike more Mike Williams Did you say Mike or did you say Quinton Johnson? I said Quinton Johnson. Yeah, but bringing in Mike Williams, bringing in Trey Harris, bringing in a better running game I think that there's just some letdown potential not like bus potential. Not bus potential. Just slightly

Like does he does he profile to score seven times again? Maybe? You know 120 targets. I think that's reasonable. I think we all have him ranked pretty high. It's just, you do need to get it when you're taking him in the second round, that's all. You need to get volume. You need to get the second half passing volume.

Lad McConkie's numbers are truly, truly elite. It's probably not too hot to handle. It's just like, I have to switch hands, like back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Yeah, I can see that happening. And Lad, yeah, I mean, Lad was down the stretch. He was so good. Yeah, and into the playoffs.

Anybody else that you think is gonna actually be valuable for fantasy in the passing game, tight ends, wide receivers? I would love to take a shot in the double-digit rounds on Trey Harris. He was a prospect I adored. I think he was my wide receiver four in this class behind Iguca. And the fact that he goes to Justin Herbert

on a team that really needs an outside wide receiver, I could see a path to success. Kansas City, Las Vegas, Denver, and then the Giants to start the year. So a couple of tough home games, a couple of very winnable road games to start the year. So a couple of tough home games, couple of very winnable road games to start the season, and that's your Chargers. The Broncos, we're gonna talk about them in just a second.

["Demons on Fire"] All right, Denver was 10 and seven last year. It was impressive. They had a projected wind total of five and a half before the season began. So on the last episode talked about the Patriots, talked about their potential to, you know, to jump. Vegas is predicting it a little bit more with New England. They did not predict it with Denver. So it was, you know, nearly doubling their win total.

And it was the Boeniks experiment gone right. I mean, the pick looks like it was a win. This year they have a projected win total of nine and a half. They were 10th in points per game, which is super impressive with a rookie quarterback. They were very good defense once again. Third in points per game allowed. So here we go.

We got three of the best defenses in football for the first three teams we're talking about in the AFC West. And now we get to talk about fantasy football options in Denver where they lost, and I'm putting that in like quotes, they lost Givante. They lost Zach Wilson.

But they added J.K. Dobbins and Evan Ingram. Ingram, I think, is gonna play a vital role. Whatever you wanna say about him in fantasy, he only helps Bo Nix in this offense, move it down the field. A lot of what we watched last year was, okay, Bo Nix is getting it done, and Cortland Sutton is scoring touchdowns,

but you really don't know who else is going to contribute on a weekly basis, and suddenly, you're surprised with some big game by Marvin Mims out of nowhere, or Vailay has a catch here, and Troy Franklin, they give him a shot down the sideline. It was a little bit unpredictable, but I think Ingram will really help Bo Nix maintain stability and week-to-week consistency.

You also have a much, much improved receiving game out of the backfield. Gervonta did nothing with those targets, and he had a ton of targets, and now RJ Harvey, their rookie, is very good at the receiving game out of the backfield. J.K. Dobbins is better at this point than what we saw from last year from Javante. We know that Sean Payton has padded those stats of his quarterback. Drew Brees for years would always have, just have extra yardage, extra passing touchdowns through the running backs. And so I think that's good. Bo Nix is, to me, I think he's my favorite value, my favorite target in drafts. If you look at, you cut

the first month of last season off, right? It was his rookie year. They didn't let him throw the ball a lot. All of a sudden there was a huge transition after the first month and they started saying, okay, this is Bo Nix's team from from week five on which is the vast majority of the season he was the quarterback six in fantasy and and if you go what what does that mean Jaden Daniels through that time scored 28.7 fantasy points per game Bo Nix 28.5 is like he was the case of, he's the opposite Caleb Williams in so many ways where you had an amazing offensive line and structure around him.

And coaching that you trusted. And they allowed the least amount of pressure in football last year to the quarterback. And then you saw Boeniks thrive. All the starters returning, should be a great offensive line again. You look at that, that's a huge advantage for the running game and the passing game,

and also just week to week consistency. You don't have to just expect Bo Nicks to go out and make something out of nothing every week. You need him to go out and execute a good offense with a good coach. And he's gonna run for 400, 500 yards on the ground. Like that's, you know. It's very weird to have a division where,

okay, one team has won nine in a row, but I can easily see two other teams winning the division. It's very weird to have a division where, okay, one team has won nine in a row, but I can easily see two other teams winning the division. That's how I feel about Denver and Los Angeles. I agree. So, fantasy-wise, R.J. Harvey, second round pick, who they had their eyes on, very, very good collegiate player.

I believe he was number two behind Gentie in some very impressive Dominator metrics. number two behind Gentie in you know some very impressive like Dominator metrics it's going to be an experiment as to who gets what work we just talked about it Harvey Dobbins McLaughlin there will be at some sort of committee but the team's doing a lot of games we love that about for running backs even if JK Dobbins is the starter let's's pretend that report, that rumor, that speculation is confirmed. Even if he's the starter, we saw at this juncture of his career, a huge reduction in efficiency over the back half of the year. We also saw Sean Payton willing to move it around and change to what works last year. We got Tyler Badewix.

So part of the Dobbins conversation isn't just maybe I take a shot on him. It's also like, does he stick around as a starter, or as a high snap count player? Yeah, and Harvey was extremely productive and very explosive. Sean's gonna use a running back by committee approach, he always did.

When Alvin Kamara was great, he still had Mark Ingram there. And these players are not as good as Mark Ingram and Alvin Kamara, so you can't just paint that over here. But I could see those being the situation where both of these players, J.K. Dobbins being a double-digit round pick, probably is a good pick there. R.J. Harvey going ahead of him, probably still a good pick with that explosiveness and I anticipate more work in the receiving game. Just to put, I said dominator rating. The rating I was referring to was Gentie was number

one in college football in yards created per attempt. Harvey was two. So a head of Hampton, Judkins, Henderson, Caleb Johnson, Scataboo, all those guys. He did have a, you know, it wasn't an expectation that he was going to be the most heralded running back pick coming in. Right. But Sean Payton fancied him. Yeah, they did. They were targeting him. In fact, he said if you watch the the press conferences after the draft, they loved Gentie. They wanted Gentie, but they quickly realized he's never going to fall to him. And so then they were looking for the next running back that they really loved that was realistic they could get, and their

target was R.J. Harvey. R.J. Harvey was coming off of 1,400 rushing yards and 16 rushing touchdowns, followed by 1,500 rushing yards and 22 rushing touchdowns. This is a good pack. He's older, so in dynasty leagues you can have arguments about like, okay, maybe... Pays for his own insurance. Right, yeah. He's a good back. He's older, so in dynasty leagues, you can have arguments about like, okay, maybe. Pays for his own insurance. Right, yeah, he can't be on mom and dad's insurance no more. He's 24, right? Let me ask you a simple question.

He's renting so many cars. They play Tennessee, Indianapolis, the Chargers, and Cincinnati to start the season. Oh, that's nice. When you play those four, after those four weeks, which word do you think is gonna be more easily associated with their backfield? Frustrating or exciting? Exciting. I think exciting. Let's say this

ADP holds of Harvey, like back of the six, was we were talking about Isaiah Pacheco being right around there. Mm-hmm. A couple picks ahead, I would rather have Harvey. Yeah, I would be there too. And then shift to the wide receivers. Yes, Sutton. Corlan Sutton to the wide receivers. Yeah, Sutton. Corlyn Sutton had the big year. I mean, he was a big year of touchdowns, really. But for Bo Nix as a rookie to put up 3,700 and almost 3,829, like that is very exciting for his future moving forward, especially when you factor in the first month

of not really letting the offense run through Bo Nix. So it's- Sutton feels safe. He feels- He feels very safe to me. Really? Very safe. I don't-

You can't, he is such a, he's such a leg above all their other pass catchers in both the pecking order and experience and size. Like to me, Bo Nix cannot have the season we all expect from him without Cortland Sutton being a very, very safe option. Not flashy, but I think safe. Yeah, it's fair.

Kyle says he's a Ford Taurus. I agree, I think he is. Okay. We're gonna get where we need to go. That's right. No one, when we get out of the car, no one's like, hey, sweet ride, man.

But we got there and we all got there safely. I don't know if I want him to be a Ford. My, where I was shifting the conversation to is, let's project an increase here for Bo Nix. We get over 4,000. We're flirting with the 30s of touchdowns. Someone else has to be. Someone else has to.

Someone else has to. Someone else has to. So. Hey, it's Franklin. Oh. So Troy Franklin out of nowhere. And OK, you can make your case for. Something about hitting a button and then acting like you

didn't hit the button that tickled me right there. The what? Where I am looking at it is you got Troy Franklin who was a fell massively in the draft he finally got on the field and did some things Marvin Mims despite what Sean Payton says about him continues to be a I don't want to call a gadget player, but I will call him a side, a bit player. He's a side hustle. Let me just say that, because I saw the news report yesterday, I'm looking at it right now.

There are reports right now from the Denver Post saying that he is emerging as the number two option. Mims? Mims. That would be awesome, because he can do it. He should have already emerged, because when you put the ball in his hands, he's very good, and they just don't put the ball. Yeah, stuff happens.

They don't put the ball in his hands, he's very good. And they just don't put the ball. Yeah, stuff happens. They don't put the ball in his hands enough. But then you also have. He finished as the wide receiver six, four, and six in three of the final five weeks. Yeah, and then. And he. On no snaps. He averaged on the season, which he appeared in.

We don't talk about season, sorry. He appeared in. Five game samples. In every game. And he averaged 27% of snaps despite Sean Payton continually telling us how he is... Yeah, but it jumped to 37% over the final five weeks on pace for 1,200 yards and 17 touchdowns.

I don't know what to do with Sean Payton and all of the gum flapping because I want to... The gum flapper is right. I want to use this argument of he was like, he says all these things to Marvin Mims, but you know what, then he did say, rookie Pat Bryant, who they just drafted, who after- Day two pick, round three? After they got done gushing about how stoked they were

to get RJ Harvey, which, a reminder for people, O'Marian Hampton- On the board. Was on the board for their pick. They said not. For their first round pick. Their first, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not saying this, but in the first, if they had Hampton ranked so much higher

than RJ Harvey, I imagine they would have taken him. But then their other day two pick was Pat Bryant, who Sean Payton gets on the podium and he starts talking about Michael Thomas as his comp for Pat Bryant. Yeah, he can say whatever he wants. This is what- Fricking Marvin Mims, Paul-

This is where I'm like, I'm getting to this of like, I don't know, Sean Pate, do we trust this guy? That's why I say Cortland Sutton and then just, if you need a spot start, see what's happening during the year. You're not drafting Mims, Franklin, Bryant or Vailay. Especially with Ingram now taking a target share.

And look, what'd they spend their first round pick on? Cornerback. Yeah. This was a team that was already an elite defense. I think maybe Sean Payton wanted to run the ball a little bit more than he could last year. Yeah. So it's not that, that's your pathway

to being slightly disappointed with Boeniks as a value later in the drafts. The pathway is you can finally run and you have the best defense in football, maybe. I mean, they were number one in EPA per play, per pass. Third in EPA per rush. Third in rushing yards given up. Seventh in total yards given up and they drafted a first round corner. So if you need the path of maybe like, nobody wants that path, but if you need the

path to being a little disappointed in the offense, or maybe slight regression, or maybe just neutral performance by Bo Nix, where you're just like, oh, he didn't take the step forward, but they won 12 games, that's your path. Yeah. All right, the Raiders are the final team we're discussing today on this fine Saturday.

And they're not bad. They had a projected win total of six and a half last year, it's six and a half again this year, they went four and 13. They were one of the worst offensive teams that we've had to cast eyes upon Mm-hmm, especially once Devante Adams departed 29th and points per game 27th and yards per game But don't worry. They also gave up a ton of points. It was one of those things where it's like that's just like a bad team So they replaced their head coach and their offensive coordinator. And their quarterback.

And their wide receivers, some of them. Their running backs. Yeah, Pete Carroll, hello, you're back. You're 74 this September, but you're like 54 in the heart. How many prime time games do the? Oh, you think it'll be snoozing? Yeah, I'm very concerned.

Can you do a sideline? I mean, there's nothing, there's no rules. You can't have like a rocker, like a lazy rocker. Oh, that'd be neat. You can lazy boy. Ah, they probably don't. You can't get out of the way. They probably don't want it that big. You're going to have to have more sleek wood rocking chair. Yeah, just like a cracker barrel little. You want one of those? Rocking chair. Just for between. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting.

Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Get them some knitting. Just over there whittling. Yeah. No, they'd be popping bubble gum and doing back flips. That's what Pete Carroll does. He's young at heart. Chip Kelly coming in on the offensive side of the football, they brought in a quarterback. So they have one now.

Geno Smith traded for him, who's been effective a lot over the last handful of years. They draft Ash Jengenti, just fixing your running back room in one fell swoop. Now you spent the six pick in the draft to do it. Raheem Mosher will back them up. They drafted Jack Besh in the second round. Down to Thornton.

I gotta get that in in there, Jason, for you. That ends for you. Thornton Jr., a big boy and a speedster. Yeah. And they said goodbye to Madison and Terris Marshall and Gardner Minschew so basically nobody. So I like all that. This division's brutal.

They will not be projected to win any of the six divisional games that they play. Correct, which is why they are projected for six and a half total wins. But the team is not terrible. The offense, I mean you've got Max Crosby on defense. That's gonna help. What tickled you?

They are not terrible. Yeah. Which is a step up for Vegas. Yeah, I mean they won four games last year. I don't know if I'd take the over or under on the six and a half this year, given this division, but I think they'll be in games. And the nice thing about Ash and Gentie is, okay, you're going to be down, but he is a

good pass catcher and will be involved. He'll be a three down back. So I don't worry about, oh no, maybe they're down the way that you would worry with Derrick Henry. If Derrick Henry were on this team, I'd be worried about Derrick Henry. I'm not worried at all about Ash and Gentie and losing game scripts. They're just gonna have to throw the ball to him a lot.

It's nice to have like Gentie, super confident. You want him, it's gonna be great. Bowers? That's the discussion. Is it? I was about to follow it up with the same sentence. Have to be Ash and Gentie. Oh, you just know, okay.

Super great, super safe. Like it's nice to have stalwarts in an offense even when you have question marks elsewhere. But it all comes down to the draft cost. So 202 is where he is right now. So that means he's gonna be sneaking into the first round for a lot of fantasy football drafts. And I know, look, Brock Bowers, and I know look Brock Bowers this is this is

nothing against Brock Bowers it just was a I thought an interesting stat of Scott Barrett friend of the show says in 18 seasons so this is not a small sample in 18 seasons as a head coach Pete Carroll has never had a receiver clear a hundred catches a tight end of receiver so like a receiver clear a hundred catches. A tight end? A receiver. So like just anybody catch a hundred passes. I did see that. So that is it Brock Bowers is it there's no argument here. The dude came out and is he's already an elite tight end. So it's just the offense that Pete Carroll will be a part of. I know Chip Kelly's the OC and everything.

It's just, will Brock Bowers be able to break that? Because if you're drafting him at the back of the first or the early second at the tight end position, you really need that to happen. I mean 18 years. Baldwin, 94 receptions. I know, 18 years, I know it's wild though. 18 years is such a sample.

Yeah. But, I mean I'll bet you anything you won that he has 100 receptions. I'll bet you anything. That was the question. I'll bet you anything he does. You have been betting your life a lot lately. I mean look, if you make enough bets with your life,

there's a chance that one cancels the other one out. Do you get two lives? No. I can win those bets? I don't think the bookie will take the second bet. They all get added up at the very end, and then you see what side you're on, and then it's to the gallows or to, you know.

Or to the grocery store, because I'm alive. Yeah. To the grocery store? That's the first place you're going to get. Yeah, you're alive, you gotta eat. Let me just say B. John Robinson is guaranteed to stay healthy all year long. He is.

He's so safe. I'm looking at Deuza's alley, and Matt is dying over there. What'd you think of that comment, Matt? Is it the kind of comment you would make here on the show? No, not at all. Why is that? Because Bichon should play all 17 games.

You're afraid. I'm a little scared. I did just trade for him in dynasty two. Oh, no. What do you buy you, Papa Josh? Is that the, is that confidence? Because you're afraid I'm a little scared I did just trade for him in dynasty too What do you buy you Papa Josh is that the Confidence I'm for it man. I like Jason making these bold you have Josh on your side just for the except Josh I like you saw it come through Josh and Jeremy have a $20 bet now that Bijon's gonna be hurt. Oh, no they do not For the record I'm betting for him to stay healthy No, they do not for the record. I'm betting for him to stay healthy

Josh is betting on his I'm betting on Jason's bad juju in the universe now So you remember when B John didn't he miss one with the migraine? Yes, but he didn't know no No, he took he played yeah, he played Arthur Smith. Yeah, I think he took a snap in the fourth quarter Yeah, it's like get him in. Oh man Yeah, we need to not talk about that day. So we like GNT, we like Bowers, we have the most Ford Taurus wide receiver in all the land, Jacoby Myers. Yes. Who is just a good player. He's not a fast player. He's not an explosive player. He's just a good player. Possession receiver. He was 30% of the Raiders first read targets.

That's higher than T. Higgins, that's higher than Brian Thomas Jr. And you improve at quarterback. So to me, Jacobi Meyers, I don't even like saying it because it's just not a cool take. It's not cool. But I'll just say, he's going to be better than his draft position.

That's probably gonna be the outcome. But probably doesn't matter. I don't know that, I mean, where he's going, if you're in a double flex league, you know, he's the wide receiver 40, so he's just a depth piece. The wide receiver 24 fantasy finish with no quarterback last year tells me he might matter a little bit. When injuries start happening, I mean, to finish a 24 is just, it just feels like that's really, like people should pat him on the back for what? That team had last year. I have no doubt that he will finish better than wide receiver 40

We're in complete agreement there and anyone who's gonna be you know a top 36 wide receiver is an important flex play a double flex And injury a bi-week like that's just nice to have on a roster I just also when I'm in the, I'm trying to get someone that, even in the later rounds, I think could be, you know, a top 15 wide receiver can explode onto the scene or something, and I don't know that that's in the range of outcomes. Yeah, I mean, it's,

if I draft him, I guess I know that I can play him if I need to. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I feel about him. I'm on your side, Andy. I love him in like a dynasty league, where you don't have waivers to go get. I think Jacoby Myers will be on waivers

at points in the season. And other than that, you're already talking about fourth, fifth, sixth options at this point with the rookies and with Trey Tucker and company. So that's kind of like those other guys on Denver where you're just gonna kind of get a feel. Maybe training camp tells us more, but you get a feel for those guys to start the year. And it's just hard to bet on Gino supporting a fourth option at great fantasy value.

But yeah, Gino can support two guys. And I'm not talking about Gentian. I'm talking about Brock Bowers and Jacoby. That's how it seems right now. Jacoby feels like- Is he final year of contract? I would have to check that. I feel like he might be. Kyle, do you know that that offhand he is final year so that that could be something to pay attention to if they do decide to trade him or move on from you know build for the future he feels like Darnell Moon he felt last year to me yeah a player who's like in the double-digit rounds and watching him on tape you go this player still has it and now he has Gino,

who is an accurate quarterback, who everyone loved in JSN last year. Gino was throwing him the ball. So I think there's room for some upside. This is, I'm not saying top 15. They're gonna be losing a lot of games but that defense, so maybe you throw the ball a ton. Jacoby and finishing inside of the top 30 would not be surprising to me.

Well, yeah with with the addition of Gino and him doing it last year, I think you're right. First four matchups New England on the road Los Angeles at home, Washington on the road, Chicago at home. It's not so bad. Here we are. We got to predict the division. Are you gonna to break the mold? Are you going to break the nine-year streak? Come on, Jay. I'm breaking the mold. I've got the Chargers winning the division, followed by the Chiefs, Broncos, Raiders. I am breaking the mold. I am going to pick the Broncos to win the division. I'm going to take the Broncos, Chiefs, Chargers, Raiders. You guys are so dumb. Can't see Chiefs with the division. Yeah, no, go for it. Go for it. No, for the record though, the odds right now, I mean the Raiders are plus 2,000, they're like in an outer space odds-wise, but the the Broncos and

Chargers are only plus 300 and plus 310. They're basically tied and not that far behind the Chiefs. So the Chargers were 15th, Broncos are 14th. The schedule's not gonna help you. Ah, I'm, oh. So you're taking the Chiefs. I'm taking the Chalk, man. So you're going Broncos then? I'll go Chiefs, Broncos, Chargers, Raiders.

All right, all right. By the way, I'm just asking, because I don't know how the fantasy gods and luck and rules and whatever Jason did with Bijon works scientifically. If someone guarantees he gets hurt on the show, would that counter-effect his guarantee of health? Oh, yes, that would.

That would absolutely. So I'm getting nods from Doos Rizali. Anybody back there want to be the guy that guarantees the injury? You want to be that guy that guarantees Bijon gets injured? No. Oh, I thought Papa Josh for sure was hopping in. No, nobody wants to do it.

All right, the curse remains. There ain't no curse. He's staying healthy. Oh sweet mercy. All right we're shutting the show down. Thank you for tuning in. Put him on the cover of Madden. I'm not scared. You're probably done mowing your lawn so go get the Ultimate Draft Kit at UltimateDraftKit.com. Check out the community at JoinTheFoot.com. We'll catch you later. Good bye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on Twitter at the FF Ballers.