Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Biggest Draft Fallers + Super Bowl Reactions, Heart Punch! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 2/13

Episode Date: February 13, 2024

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Hey, this is Patrick Mahomes, quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs, and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in! The 2024 season has begun. Yes, sir. The Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Mike Wright, Jason Moore, Andy Holloway. Happy to be with you.

Well, well, well. Patrick does it again. Looks like everyone you knew was right. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's as close as it gets for – I was really kind of rooting for a double overtime. But I guess –

It wouldn't have mattered because they would have just won in double overtime. I know. I know. I know. And this is our first opportunity to react to what you saw two days ago. Thrilling. Mm-hmm. Repetitive.

Slow burn. You know, it was, slow burn. You know, it was a slow burn, and you guys know me. I'm all offense. If the NFL were to say, we're doing 10 guys on defense, I would be like, heck yeah. I absolutely loved that game. I mean, I just thought it was one of the best Super Bowls I can remember. I thought it was tremendous. First half was my fault.

First half was my fault because I was doing a lot of grilling during the first half, and I didn't want to miss anything significant. Gotcha. And so I asked them to slow it up. Okay. And once the burgers were in hand, they got it going. But, no, I mean, it was – we all knew – everybody in the world knew what was going to happen at the end of the game.

I think Kyle Shanahan deep down knew. The 49ers didn't because they didn't know the rules. Well, they didn't know the rules, and let me be honest, neither did I. Hey, I didn't know the rules either. But you know what? I'm not an NFL head coach. My whole mindset – like I missed the part where they put the renovated rules as the first time they've ever played under them.

I was still in regular season mode. Tell the people what those are because I think based on us not knowing, I think there's a lot of people that might not even be aware now. It's a shame to admit that I just blanked out like half of the 49ers players didn't know, where in the regular season, both teams must possess the ball unless the first team possessing the ball scores a touchdown. That ends the game in the regular season.

In the playoffs, both teams must possess the ball except for one rare condition, which is if the first team with the ball, they get sacked for a safety, the game ends. Or defensive score, too. Just any defensive score. No, just a safety.

What? I think that's true. Really? It's just a safety, yeah. See, we still don't know the rules. We got to look into that. It is supposed to be just a safety. A pick six doesn't – like, a pick six is then both teams have possessed the ball.

Mike, don't argue with me. I don't know, man. Argue with with me. I don't know, man. Argue with the rule. I don't know. You can correct me. I could be wrong. But I went into overtime just saying, like, on that fourth down play when they kicked the field goal with Jake Moody down near the red zone,

I was like, you have to go for it there because you don't want to give Mahomes the ball, but he would have gotten the ball anyway. And then the Chiefs have come out and said they were going to go for two if they had scored the touchdown, and they would have gotten the two because and then the Chiefs have come out and said they were going to go for two if they had they had scored the touchdown and they would have gotten the two because they're the Chiefs and uh here we are Kyle Shanahan is sad again this is the this is the third Super Bowl of sadness he should stop trying to get to the Super Bowl you know what I mean like it doesn't go well for him so he he can avoid the sadness if he just. Just like celebrate the NFC championship game like he won the Super Bowl? No, I'm just saying.

And then say, hey, you guys take it from here? I did my job? I'm saying slow down on the winning. You know what I mean? If you lose a little earlier in the season, you don't have quite as significant a loss. Yeah, so we have another. We have a dynasty, and we already have reports. Andy Reid, Travis Kelsey both returning.

They'll have an opportunity next year, likely with far better wide receivers, to do what no team in the history of the National Football League has ever done, which is to win three consecutive Super Bowls. This will be the storyline of the entire year, and it's exactly what Roger Goodell would like it to be. Yeah, and for fantasy football, the fantasy football world at least, Travis Kelsey has let us know that he is going for the three-peat, so he'll be back.

Yeah. Also, he was very mad at Andy Reid. Yes. That blew my mind when he was screaming at Andy Reid like that, right in his face. Well, I mean, mistakes happened when he was not on the field. I mean, Travis Kelsey wasn't getting the ball, and he was just like, get me the ball.

Scheme me up man well i would have been mad if i were superstar too so that way in the ball that was the kind of like second taylor's watching this you know that right she's up there the super bowl was this kind of the second big storyline on sunday yeah-hmm. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The big one, obviously, the Ultimate Draft Kit. Yeah, baby. Available right now at ultimatedraftkit.com. In fact, if you order it before March 1st, you get a chance to come play with us in the Listener League.

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which means rookie rankings, Dynasty startup rankings, team opportunity pages, trade targets for Dynasty, a whole lot of great Dynasty resources, which, look, we're jumping right in. I mean, it's 2024 preseason right now. Yeah, and even though you're getting the Dynasty stuff right now, it will continue to update as the season goes along. And obviously, if you're getting the Dynasty information, you're getting the UDK+, which means you'll have the draft analyzer

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Are you all good? Nope. I mean, well, it's great. The UDK? I love it. Personal reactions to the Super Bowl. I didn't want to see sad Shanahan. I had picked the 49ers to win by three. You guys both picked the Chiefs. You're obviously geniuses.

I mean, just unrivaled. What's the situation in Deucer's Alley? Who were you guys rooting for? I was pulling for the Niners. You were? Yeah, I rooted for Niners. Now that actually, Papa Josh? Niners.

I was actually shocked by that reply from Al Borland because you went a different direction than Jordan Love, your quarterback. Because Jordan Love said verbatim, the Niners just beat us. There's no way I can root for them. But I guess you don't really – Yeah, I mean there's some advantage to losing to the number one team. Oh, is that the story? I like Brock Purdy a lot.

That is a common way to rationalize your defeat. Yeah. I've done that before. When we played flag football, if the team that beat us went on to win the title, you're like, ah, I lost to them. I lost to the best. For sure. But I guess that means the Packers did not lose to the best.

I think most of the world was rooting for the 49ers. It's fun to see greatness, to see a dynasty and all that, but also you get sick of it. You get tired of it. I was not rooting for the Chiefs until they were up against the Niners. As a Cardinal fan, it's against my religion to root for the 49ers. Yeah, I guess to be fair, I was kind of rooting hard for the Lions on Sunday. Right.

Yeah. All right. We had Kelsey with hard for the Lions on Sunday. Right. Yeah. So, all right. We had Kelsey with 9 for 93 in that game. McCall Hardman, 3 for 57 because, of course. You know how Hardman, Tony, and Sky Moore are the receivers that caught touchdowns in the Super Bowl the last three years? Justin Watson and McCall Hardman, the leading wide receivers. Like, Rashi Rice did very little.

You brought it up before the show, but the fact that last year the stars were Kadarius, Tony, and Sky Moore, and this year the stars were MVS, you know, and McCall Hardman, and back-to-back Super Bowl victories, they don't, I mean, goodness gracious, you don't, how is that possible how can you have

that level of you still had travis sure i mean you've got you've got 93 i mean it just seems impossible that those weapons can win a super bowl they had a super difficult path getting to the super bowl and to win it and it's just we're watching a legend. He's got better numbers before 30 than Brady did. You know, three Super Bowls, three Super Bowl MVPs. It's unbelievable. So credit where credit is due. I kept saying he's like Steph Curry.

It's like you give him the ball at the end of the game. You're like, everyone knows what's going to happen yeah and the Kansas City defense was pretty awesome specifically second halves in the playoffs Steve Spagnola in the second half of games like we were all mocking the fact that like the Ravens stopped

running the football well guess what I mean the 49ers stopped running the football until they you know towards the very end they handed it off a few more times. But, you know, they had three yards or something through the first, all of the third quarter. It was just kind of a defensive gem. Also, I got to give a shout out to Peter Schrager.

I mean, he has called the Super Bowl like I don't know how many years in a row now. He has got it right before the beginning of the winter. Yeah, the winter. It's like five or six years in a row before the beginning of before the beginning of the season that he has been correct. Oh, really? Yeah. He's got the winner. He's got the winner so many times in a row.

It's impossible. He got the Tampa. He got the Tampa. He got the winner so many times in a row. It's impossible. He got the Tampa. He got the Tampa. He got the Rams. He got, in fact, like if. Oh, both teams? Well, he doesn't always. This year he did.

He's a Chiefs over 49ers. Chiefs over 49ers. I mean, it's like at this point, we now know. Coming from the future? No, it is the script. I mean, he works with the nfl he's he's he's part of the writing staff obviously all right let's talk some news news and notes from around the league well it is going to be news season. And get this, guys.

The Patriots, Mac Jones, unlikely to be their quarterback. Likely a trade candidate. Oh, man, people fanging down the door. What a shocker. Begging to give their seventh round pick away. Jim Harbaugh came out and said Austin Eckler is, quote, a tremendous back. We'd love to have him back on the Chargers.

Yeah. There's a way. Oh, yeah. I don't think tremendous from Jim Harbaugh is going to translate to tremendous in Austin Eckler's bank account. I think the tremendous gap maybe in financial compensation. Well, you cut the quote off. The actual quote was,

Tremendous back we'd love to keep him on the Chargers for free, is what the rest of the quote was. We just cut off the for free part. I don't think they're going to pay him a lot of money. Cole Komet said he sustained a broken right forearm in week 18, so he's got an off season to recover. Yep. And this was one of the storylines getting tossed around.

Here we go. This is what I mean. It's like it's new season. This is the good stuff. The Bears want historic compensation for the number one overall pick. So if somebody wants to come at it, honestly, for this to get out there, this is more Caleb Williams confirmation to me, which I know we've had a lot of discussions about what the Bears should do.

But to me, the ending of this season further confirms my position on it, which is that you don't win super bowls and i mean this in the statistical percentage opportunity yes i know trent dilfer exists yes i know that that foals won a super bowl flacco and flacco yes but you're not gonna be able to go very long here in this no i'm done with the guys i can think of that aren't legends. You don't win Super Bowls without legends at quarterback and Justin Fields is fine, but teams that think that they can win a Super Bowl with Derek Carr and Ryan Tannehill and Daniel Jones and Justin Fields is in that category to me right now. I think we, as a fantasy community, we look at Justin Fields and we elevate him slightly more than the NFL community will.

It's possible. Because we know the numbers that he puts up statistically in the passing game are very below average. But because of the running game, we see him as a dominator on a weekly basis. But to me, it's like you have to move on. And you're probably not getting a legend. Let me just say that.

In Caleb Williams? Sure. Yeah, like your odds are not that you get him a Holmes. Your odds are that you don't. But you have to keep trying, and you have to keep rebuilding. Every team out there, you have to keep trying to get a legend. Yeah, and if you've got the number one pick and you've got the opportunity of drafting someone touted

to potentially be a legend, I agree with you. I was on the keep Fields side. The defense was getting better. Get a ton of compensation. Just build a really rock-solid team around Justin Fields. I think they could do that and win and win a lot and not win the Super Bowl. And if that is your goal, and that's obviously every team's goal, then you've got, I completely agree with you. I've flipped. You have to take the chance at finding, you know, a Hall of Famer.

You win Super Bowls with Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if you want to weigh in at all, Mike. That's just it's crazy. And a lot of people would come out and say, okay, look, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, these are the people that lost to Patrick Mahomes this year. But they also aren't Super Bowl

winning capable quarterbacks. It's hard because what you're describing is basically like the 49ers, where the 49ers as a team – I mean, the 49ers in that game, they kicked the Chiefs' butt for the vast majority of the game. No, they did. I wouldn't say that. The line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball was just dominated. They didn't get a first down from the four-minute mark,

like four minutes into the second quarter to the end of the third quarter. The 49ers didn't have a first down in almost two full quarters. Right, but the Chiefs weren't doing much better. Oh, defensively, the 49ers were exceptional. Until they ran out of gas, clearly. The team, I thought the 49ers were actually the better team and some things just because football's wild, things just hit right for the Chiefs at the right time. The 49ers are the example of the Foles,

Flacco. If you build a perfect roster around that quarterback you can do it in the right year yeah so for Fields I mean I would I'd be open to both I think the quote is more of like if I'm the GM

and I have the number one pick and Caleb Williams and or whoever it is which quarterback you like out of the crop I'm just letting people know, don't waste my time. I'm giving you a friendly courtesy. Don't waste my time. If you're going to call for the number one pick, you saw what I got last year, we'll start there.

Give me a top-tier wide receiver and a tradeback and a bunch of picks. Maybe we'll talk then. Look, I know we're all excited about the draft already because we've been doing some scouting. We've got our initial release of the rookie rankings in the UDK Plus, and there are some really, really good football players in this upcoming draft. And I know the Dynasty tradeoff is already going out there.

I do want to talk about one more Super Bowl thing before we jump in the mail. Sure. Which is, because of the overtime rules, philosophically, people have different opinions on whether you should defer or whether you should take the ball. Now, I have my thoughts on it, but I'd like to get your reaction. I am on the defer side, and I could see both,

and actually I think it it makes it really really even like super fair um for for both teams to have a legitimate chance at winning but the value of going for it on fourth down is i mean if if you stop them obviously you can go down and win the game. It's over. But if you don't stop them and they come down and score a touchdown or a field goal, now you get four downs every single play, and it's hard. It's hard to stop.

Four downs per play is really special. That's unique. It's hard to stop any NFL team that is constantly going forward on fourth that knows on second down that what they can call as a play call, they've got three more downs to go. I think it's a really unfair advantage where if a team actually played that way, like you just can't. You can't risk it.

When it goes wrong, you're going to get just shoveled poop all over you as the head coach but I do think if a team actually played that way they would score so many points and win a lot of games because going for it on fourth like you've seen the like there was some college I think it was a college or maybe it was a high school I think it was a high school where um you know they were like this last place team and they just decided we're gonna go for it on every single fourth down no punts right never punt and and it's like completely changed the program obviously it's very different from the NFL but I think yeah turning the ball over in your own zone it two times in a row will end that the that'll be the end yeah the going with that

strategy you're going to have huge wins or huge losses. There won't be close games, but I believe the follow-up on the story of that coach was then he was, of course, picked up by a different program and then they just got shellacked. Yeah, I mean, and there's a

fourth and four and fourth and 15. I mean, those are just vastly different things. To me, those are just vastly different things. To me, I would have taken the ball. One, because the 49ers defense had been on the field so much and they needed rest. And two, because if the game is tied on two field goals, you're the first team in sudden death in that situation.

But I do agree with the basic thing you said, Jay, which is really fair. If there's a debate to be had now in overtime on whether you defer or take the ball, that tells you they designed it the right way as opposed to whoever wins the coin toss wins the game. I mean, that's how it was. Yeah. It's so wild of the pressure to get a touchdown with that first possession.

Of not just making up a, well, now the other team has to score a touchdown, what I'm saying. You kick the field goal, and now what Jason was saying, this team has four downs, and all they have to get to keep the game going is a field goal, but they can now have a huge opportunity to go get a touchdown. I would defer. I don't think you're wrong of the... A lot more pressure on that side.

Looking at your team of, my defense is exhausted, which the 49ers got their defense a massive amount of rest on defense with the opening drive of overtime, so they should have been ready to go. The 49ers had two... I mean, when it comes down to it, they had two opportunities for their defense to get a stop. The end of regulation, at the end of overtime, they couldn't do it either time, and that was the difference.

Either stop and you win the Super Bowl. Did you guys see the clip of the Hardman touchdown was almost identically what the Tony touchdown was in the last Super Bowl? Yeah, because Andy Reid eats your lunch, man. He sat on that plate. That's why he's, yeah. He eats your lunch, man. He sat on that plate. That's why he's – He eats your lunch. Let's try it again with those nuggies.

Yeah. All right. Quick break. Back with some mailbag today. All right. First mailbag of 2024, Mike. Here we go. Mailbag. Mailbag.

Mailbag. Oh. That's fine. That's good. That's good, Mike. Don't worry. I startled myself at the end. Don't you get worried about that.

If you have a question for the show, you can go to the website, thefantasyfootballers.com, click the submit a question button, or you can dial our voicemail hotlineline 302-464-TFFB. And here we go. The first question comes from Instagram. Christian Bjorn writes in, which 2023 first rounder will fall the furthest in ADP in 2024? So Brooks, do you, oh, you do have it here.

So the first round last year consensus was. So, Brooks, do you... Oh, you do have it here. So, the first round last year, consensus was CMC, Jefferson, Chase, Eckler, Kelsey, Hill, Robinson, Saquon, Chubb. Oh, yeah, it's Chubb. Diggs, Brown, Henry. Okay, take Chubb out. I don't know if that's true. Really?

Yeah, I mean, if he's in camp and he's going to play, he's not going to drop further than some of these guys. I would be very surprised if it is not Nick Chubb based on the injury. If I told you Nick Chubb was going to play in week one, would you disagree? Or would you change your opinion? We'll have to know where Austin Eckler and Derrick Henry are playing football or if they're playing football. Those are the three players, those three running backs to me

are the question marks going into next season. You don't think there's a chance Kelsey's the lowest of these guys? I would be surprised if one of those three running backs doesn't drop very far. The list is fun in terms of fantasy turnover because Eckler, Kelsey, I don't think are first-rounders next year. Nick Chubb, I would be surprised. Stephon Diggs is not going to be a first-rounder. Derrick Henry will not. So it's going to be fun because there will be a huge turnover.

Yeah, you're going to have Brees in the first round now. Most likely, yeah. You guys will be happy to know that with Kelsey's announcement to return next year, I will be riding. Oh, yeah. I'm going to be riding with my old men once again. That will be a gigantic question of the offseason for Dynasty football. What do you do with Travis Kelsey?

I'm riding. If you have a team that can win, Kelsey feels like a player that you just, at this point. Into the sunset. Just let him turn into dust on your roster and get what you can get. Yeah, you're putting on the cowboy hat. I did notice. And you're climbing on his back.

Oh, yeah. And he is crawling towards the sun oh yeah he's crawling towards the sun this is a strong man oh yeah look he's he's not gonna have a problem i'm i'm a heavy guy he no problem he's also get on he looks a lot like his brother now that he grew that beard out too the uh theoff run for Travis Kelsey has to give you at least a decent amount of hope. Absolutely. I wanted to pull up our dynasty.

He was great for three games. I'm pulling up our dynasty startup rankings. Okay. And I wanted to see where we were ranking tight ends. And so I have Kelsey at three still. Okay. Jason, you have him at seven.

Mm-hmm. Mike, you have him at five. Yep. These are the hardest players to rank in Dynasty. Because he is impossible. They're the hardest players possible to rank when they have one or two-year expiration, right? Yep.

But right now, that would mean that Kittle, Kincaid are guys that you have ahead of Kelsey. Mike, you both have McBride ahead of him, Hawkinson ahead of him. It's funny. It's wild. It's a tough call. Hawkinson versus Kelsey is very difficult. Our champ, champ, champ team where we won back-to-back-to-back,

we have Kelsey and McBride on that roster. When I was doing my startup rankings, it was really helpful to be like, well, which one would I rather have? And it was really clear. Having both of them on our roster, it's like McBride is a much better asset for Dynasty. If this was a startup draft, there's no way I would take Kelsey over McBride. But I wonder how many starts – you start one tight end, right?

Yeah. Yeah. So I'll be curious who starts more games for you next year. And that's where the nuance is in the Dynasty startup because if you drafted a Dynasty startup team that's built to win today, or you – McBride's such a better future asset, but next year you might start Kelsey more than McBride. Oh, absolutely.

Yeah. It's wild. I'll just say this out loud. I don't know if we'll be able to pull it off at some point, but I really would like to have some, I'll call them situational toggles for rankings, especially in Dynasty, where you can say something like, hey, I – like, because we had a debate this last weekend. Two quarterback rankings. Right. In our dynasty pass. Jason and I are more aligned in our view of the quarterback position in a two-quarterback startup draft.

Yep. Where we have – they're not all ranked the same by any stretch of the imagination, but they're all the same. But just your – where your line of elevation for the value. So, like, we – you know, I think, Jason,, Jason, you had two at 25 in the startup, and I'm at 21, and Mike had them outside the top 50. Me and you had Herbert at five and six, and then Mike had them outside the top 15. Because Mike philosophically undervalued – I don't want to say it like a –

No, I just view it differently. You devalue them because you like building the team more traditionally like a one quarterback and then finding value at quarterback later in a two quarterback. That and on top of who – the quarterbacks – the decision especially like Patrick Mahomes, right, has been the number one dynasty quarterback for – I mean him and Josh Allen at flip. But it's like, and in the two quarterback, Patrick Mahomes is in that range

where you feel like this is an untouchable player for my team. But the last couple years, Mahomes has just been good. Well, this year. Where did he finish last year? I believe he was one uh yeah okay he was but so last yes last year when i said but quarterback four you're saying because of variability you get locked into one guy yes invest a high pick in 2018 the breakout campaign where it was holy crap patrick mahomes 5050 then he was the qb8 Then he was the QB8. Then he was four.

Then he was four. Then he was one. Then he was eight. This is where I'm saying I'd like to be able to be in the Dynasty startup drafts under two quarterback and click a toggle that says later round quarterbacks. Well, you can. You just sort by Mike. That's the toggle. The toggle is Mike.

If you want that toggle, click Mike. All right. So next question comes from Lab on IG. Who are the top five draft picks for 2024? I mean. McCaffrey. Jefferson. Jefferson.

Lamb, Chase. Are they all in there? Hill. Bijon. I don't think Bijon will be top five. I don't think he'll be top five. So you're four quarterbacks. So you just went exactly what the –

Oh, what the best ball ADP is. That's what the best ball ADP is. But I think that there are going to be – there will be discussions for Bijon if you get excitement around Robinson, Zach Robinson coming in. Maybe Brees Hall. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

You agree with that, Jay? Four wide receivers and a running back? Yeah, I do think it'll be that. All right. Brandon writes in, keeper pick for 2024. Would you rather keep Gibbs or Mark Andrews? When you're looking at keeper selections, this is a good kind of overview opportunity.

If this question does not have any round compensation stated generally you want to look at keeper situations like this relative to where those players are going to go in the actual draft jamir gibbs is going to go ahead of mark andrews for sure and because of that you you want to keep jamirer Gibbs. Yeah, I mean, sometimes it's really simple. It's just math. You don't want to – if you really want Andrews, then draft him. You can still draft him ahead of – Gibbs will go, I think, a full round ahead of Andrews.

Yep, I agree. I think Andrews has a chance to be undervalued in the upcoming draft because we didn't see him at the end of the year. And so – and Laporta will grab a lot of headlines and Kelsey returning. So I think Andrews will be a third-round pick. Yeah. He'll probably be the third-drafted tight end. I think he goes behind Laporta and Kelsey. probably be the third drafted tight end.

I think he goes behind Laporta and Kelsey. And if that is the case, then he'll be of very good value so long as he can stay healthy. I mean, that's the knock with Andrews. When he's out there, he's great. He just needs to stay out there. All right. Another question coming in from Max. He says, Keeper pick, would you take DJ Moore for a fifth rounder or Chris Olave for a second rounder?

This is a pretty easy one for me. Is it? DJ Moore. I think it's very easy. Again, if you look at it from the standpoint of draft day value and what you can do, like Olave will go in the second round or maybe even later than the second. You're not even getting a value.

Probably third. Yeah, I think he'll probably be in the third. So DJ Moore won't get to the fifth round in any of your drafts. So the value is just significantly on DJ Moore. You want DJ Moore and Jameer Gibbs? Because if you give that second back, you could use the second on Gibbs. And this is kind of the example of if you're someone that's like I mean obviously we could be wrong right Olave could be so worth it and if you are looking at this player and you're like but I love him I believe

in him I want him you still don't keep him there because if he's going to go in the third round just draft him with your second round draft Draft him ahead, just like you would keep him for a second, and then you have DJ Moore at a value. Who goes whale about the fifth? I was questioning, are you so sure? Just because of the variable of Caleb Williams. And I

while CJ Stroud did what he did, and there was a little blurb of some, you know, I think what they were saying, Hall of Famers got together and said that Stroud's rookie year, that was the best rookie quarterback year that they had seen. It was incredible. He broke every metric for fantasy football of rookie quarterbacks

don't sustain top 15 fantasy wide receivers. He had essentially two of them in points per game with Tank and Nico. But I will still bet on rookie quarterbacks not sustaining a wide receiver even as good as I think DJ Moore is. So that was my only hesitation there. If it's a rookie, I'm going to be – Yeah, I get what you're saying, but Justin Fields threw for 2,500 yards. I mean, this is the –

But his tendency was hyper-focused DJ Moore. That will be Caleb Williams' tendency. It could be. I think it will be the tendency of the wide receiver core room when it's DJ Moore. Unless they take Roma Dunes, they add an eight or something. The Bears are set up that they could go a rookie QB and a rookie wide receiver and just go all out super powered offense.

Yeah. No, it's worth bringing it up. But Olave in the second is too rich. And I love Chris Olave. I personally am on the side where I believe that the percentage chance of rookie quarterbacks doing what Stroud and Herbert did is going to ever increase. Because that has been the evolution of the quarterback position and the offenses at the NFL level over time.

We just went and looked at those old school passer ratings the other day where eight of the top ten passer ratings in football history are active quarterbacks today. But to go into that is those quarterbacks you named were not the first quarterback drafted. Well, I'm not saying you always get it right. I'm just saying that if you discount them all, it will be at the peril of the Nico Collins and Tank Dallin.

Yes, you could end up with some big misses. It just comes down to what you believe about those players, and you have to be willing to go with that. All right, Mike. Carter wants to know what percentage of trades that you send get accepted. Ooh. What percentage of trades that I send get accepted?

Andy's is 0.002%. Because Andy's not afraid to just fire off a bunch of trades at once. Not saying you don't put thought into it, but you're – No, you can say it however you want, man. You are more likely to shoot a trade off. When it comes – I really overthink even sending the trade offer. If you fire 100 golf balls at a green.

Right. One of them goes in. Two might roll in. If you just cannon fire 100 golf balls at a green. Right. One of them goes in. Two might roll in. If you just cannon fire 100 golf balls at a green. Yeah. That's your secret. Because even though we talk about. Yeah.

I'm like, oh, you get 0.02% of your trades accepted. You still make the most total trades completed which is incredible um you use do you think about trades do you just strategically oh 100 yeah i'm saying like do you just open it up and go this would be fun no no i i don't i think i think i i sit down and i i try to find two or three angles for every team, and then I start there, but then the counters and stuff, they get ramped up. All jokes aside, what percentage of your trades?

I'm curious, all three of us. All three of us? Yeah. I mean, I would say like 3%. I'd go 15 to 20-ish. Yeah. I'm probably about 10%, I think, of my offers. What do you think, Papa Josh?

I said you go fishing. Yeah. Yeah, I mean. But it works. Got to have the right bait, man. And to the credit of Andy's strategy, and we talk about this a lot, when you're making trades, hyper-targeting one player, because I'm going to get that guy, your leverage is zero.

Your chance of actually getting that, you're going to have to overpay more than likely to go get that player. Andy's just trying to find this. This improves my team because this player will fill some statistical holes that I need. It may not be the elite superstar, but it helps my team. It's money ball. Yeah. Oh, I know. Yes, very much moneyball. I'll tell you why I close trades

sometimes more than other people in our league. I don't get bogged down with the peripheral non-important parts of the deal. I'm willing to overpay. I'm willing to give an extra pick so that the trade just hits you in the face like, I can't pass

on that. You know, when I went after CeeDee Lamb, you know, hits you in the face like, I can't pass on that. When I went after CeeDee Lamb, it's just like, okay, you don't want to do it for a second? I'll give you two seconds. Just in two seconds, that's the decision I make. I'm just going to give you... I'm going to make it so that you feel dumb not taking my trade, even though I want the best player out of the deal. And it doesn't always work, but it did this year um all right would you trade aj brown straight up for a 2020 for the 2024 101 in a dynasty rookie draft would you trade aj brown away to basically get marvin harrison jr no no i wouldn't i i think marvin harrison jr is as good a prospect as we've seen since probably since megatron just as far as like wow that that high up yeah I mean I I think so but at the same time he hasn't done it on the NFL field we don't know his landing spot

we there are a lot of tempted there are a lot of great great looking wide receivers that don't hit the way we hope AJ Brown alreadyJ. Brown already has hit. A.J. Brown is a superstar. Yes. He's a top 10 wide receiver in fantasy next year in the draft. He's super young. He'll be turning 27 this year. Yeah, that's not super young compared to the other guys at the top of our dynasty. Like, he's the oldest of the top seven that we have by consensus at 26.6 years old.

You have him the highest, Jason, at five right now in our dynasty rankings. I got him at seven, Mike at 26.6 years old um you have them the highest jason at five right now in our dynasty rankings i got him at seven mike at six so we all i just think it's a gamble you could take yeah yeah i mean what so would you i think i would yeah yeah i i don't like some of what happened last year in philly with aj brown and so i do worry a little bit about the unraveling potential there so it is funny another way to think about the exact same thing is if this is a startup draft and you can draft your yeah picks you know you could draft the 101 um you know wherever it's a matter of saying okay I think Marvin Harrison then is, what, like a top 5, 6, 7, 8? Like he's clearly a first-round, not just rookie first-round,

but you're saying a first-round startup pick. I mean, if he's Kyler Murray's number one, and you guys are both very bullish on Kyler long-term, I think it's a decision to be made. Mike, what would you do? Would you do it or not? At this point right now i don't think i would okay i'm if you tell me like if you lock in marvin to the arizona cardinals

okay now now the conversation is even more interesting i'm but the nfl draft can be very painful to those who have really high rookie picks. Like, remember how excited everyone was. And situation is not everything. I will say that. We say that all the time. But when JSN went to the Seattle Seahawks and everyone with the 102 went, I guess I still take him or maybe I take Gibbs now.

So with all the rumors abound, we got the Patriots at three? Yeah. Just – Yeah. That's why I'd really like to know the team first, if you want to let me know that. I am not projecting that the Patriots are taking Marvin Harrison. I think that they should take a quarterback. But imagine a world where draft night happens

and the Patriots take Harrison at number three. How you're going to feel like you got punched in the heart. Seriously. It doesn't sound fun. I don't think I've ever been punched in my heart. No, I think it could stop it. Or if you do have the bears not take caleb williams

they drive back two spots and now he's the number two right for justin fields there's ways it could go wrong that's that's yeah no that's and that's fair that's why it makes sense to keep what you know it's tantalizing though it is for sure instagram question what is the worst reason that you have passed on a guy in a fantasy draft What you know. It's tantalizing, though. It is. Oh, for sure. Instagram question. What is the worst reason that you have passed on a guy in a fantasy draft? The worst. Okay. I think I know that I probably have passed on players because I almost don't want your takes to be right about them.

Okay. And the truth. I mean, oh, don't give me that. I'm not alone. I'm not alone there probably. Okay. I mean, does that make sense? Oh, yeah.

100%. That is hilarious. I'm sure I've been sitting there with Michael Pittman at a value in a draft before. Yeah. Najee Harris, you think? I probably made some wrong decisions before. That's funny. I don't know.

That's the best thing I can come up with. I think it's when you've been burned by a player. Oh, yeah. When you've got the scars from a previous season and you're like Mike didn't have a lot of DeAndre Swift. Right, exactly. Mike wouldn't have drafted DeAndre Swift in the undrafted ranks. He wouldn't put him

on the roster even if he's a value last year because of the scars from the year prior. I think that's the most common poor reason to miss out on a pick, but it's going to keep happening. Do you have any must-have players already for next year's draft?

Regardless of value, this is a question from Irishboy8 on Instagram. Man. Do you already have any must-have players for next season? Yes. Really? Kyron Williams. Kyron Williams is a – I mean, mean obviously he's going to be uh first but he's like a a must to me I think he's the second best running back so then that top five discussion yeah he was the name I we moved on so I didn't go back to it but

I was going to bring Kyron up because I think he's right there. I mean, that's a profound statement. No one's on the must draft list, but the short list of I'm really intrigued would be like Anthony Richardson, assuming his shoulder is okay because it was a tough surgery to come back from. We'll see if he's all right. But I think that he will be still a higher draft pick in the middle rounds, but what he can do fantasy-wise, I think he's going to be a really sought-after guy the following year.

I think Tank Dell is the name coming to mind. Okay. Did you see CJ Stroud talk about his super team? Mm-mm. He was on a Michael Parsons podcast, and he was asked to build your perfect offensive lineup. So his wide receiver is

always interesting when you ask a quarterback of an actual team to pick a team. His wide receivers were Devontae Adams on one side. Oh gosh, why am I forgetting the other side of the field? It was another big time wide receiver. And Tank field? It was another big-time wide receiver. And Tank Dell?

Tank was his slot guy. Oh, baby. Not Nico. No, no, no. And the offensive linemen were from other teams. Lane Jackson was his right tackle. And his running back, I don't remember who he was running. Oh, it was Jameer Gibbs was his running back.

You know what I mean? So he built this super team out, but Tank Dell was a slot guy. I just think he's so talented. If you remember years ago when we kind of saw Stefan Biggs in Minnesota, and it was like, oh, well, that guy's going to be a superstar. I don't care where he's drafted. Tank Dell's on that path. All right, quick break. Back with some more questions. Well, before we answer a couple more questions,

I did want to throw a little shout out because we had Candice, who she's a huge fan of the show. She was on Wheel of Fortune last week. That's so awesome. nfl super fan week and she wanted she said she wanted to pimp the show but they wouldn't let her yeah what's that all about say jack yeah don't mention the name of that show and say jack oh yeah yeah we're not talking about their show yeah it's the one with the big wheel. You can make a fortune. You can make a lot of money. What?

But shout out to Candice who went to the bonus round. If you could go on any game show, which one would you go on? I'll tell you right now, I don't know the answer, but it will be the one with the least embarrassment possible to me. You want to go low stakes i low i do not like i think it's um price is right it's not millionaire no i think it's price is right where like the worst thing that happens to me is i don't get a treadmill you know what i mean right but and you lose and then it's now someone else is up yeah i don't i move on real fast i can't be there i can't be there and do the like the wheel

of fortune when they misread the the answer oh that's oh yeah some of those videos can be brutal i can't be in that position because when i'm in the pressure's on i'm afraid i'm gonna shrink yeah and i don't know maybe maybe i'll come through big time our own al borland was on a game show on a cruise ship this past week wait what in front of 2 000 people and won what you're right what what game it was with his son uh it was called what's age got to do with it and it's a parent uh child competition but he won it wow so that's a man that doesn't shrink. I can't wait for this story. At least in international waters. I had one time where one of the Disneys, and I think it was basically, it was like who wants to be a millionaire, but everyone gets to play. Did you win it?

No. No, but as the person is playing, everyone in the audience is also playing, but time is a massive factor in it. So, I mean, you've got gotta get it in be right and then there was about the halfway point before the next person comes up and so they show you know who's leading i was leading and i went into a full panic oh yeah because it was you're like the knowledge of the fact you were winning all you want is oh dude i want to go do it and then i'm actually. The knowledge of the fact you were winning. All you want is, oh, dude, I want to go do it. And then I'm actually staring down.

And I'm just, you know, in front of 50 people or whatever. And the fact that I almost got to go up there, I just start sweating. My hands are all shaking. My heart starts going like 150. You have a game show, Jason? Yeah, I mean, it's not as big a end to win but man i would love to do the family feud yeah that's just fun like that game is fun they must drive it home to every person on that show that they have to clap and say good answer they have yes yeah like

that like if you don't do it they will the big hook will come and grab you you're not allowed on the show if you don't say good answer. Alright, Noah wants to know what Tyreek Hill's dynasty value is. Is it a good time to trade him away? Trade him to me. My team could use him. I was going to say, Tyreek is one of those assets in dynasty where he's very, very, very valuable to a

contender, and he is not the right piece for a rebuild. I think he has two more seasons under contract how and he whether or not he follows through he told us yes he told the public when he was going to retire i think it was it was that it was he was going to finish out this contract and then walk away that was what he said obviously things change um plenty of players walk away when they don't expect and stay longer than they thought um but right now i'm that's kind of how i'm mentally valuing tyree kill is i'm seeing him

as two more awesome seasons than zero than nothing not like two more that's that's super valuable yeah and i agree i agree that That's why I've got – We have him at 5, 9, and 8 as a teaser for the Dynasty rankings here. I have him at 5, Mike 8, Jason 9. Yeah. So, I mean, he's still a very valuable asset. Yeah. Oh, if you're going for it.

But if you are truly in a rebuild looking at your roster going, I'm so far away from the playoffs, then I'd probably trade him away. If you're looking at your team with the rookie picks you have saying, hey, if something's bounced right, I could get in the tournament. And that's all you got to do is have players like Tyreek Hill once you're in the playoff situation and hope that they go nuclear in those couple weeks. Otherwise, I'd move them. This question from GameOver

says, are y'all dropping a fantasy baseball or podcast? What are you talking about? My Dembex? You do have a Dembex. That's funny because all the baseball teams yesterday, the second the Super Bowl ended, they had their baseball season tweets going out.

So, Jason, are you going to host that one for us yeah man pitchers and catchers okay that's who you need to draft he's so good at throwing the baseball i mean you you must have a few other suggestions yeah for sure fielder uh uh hold on babe ruth oh man i really thought you could get gonzo i can't remember his that's just yes the muppet yeah uh yeah this is where you're at in baseball names now uh mariano rivera uh mike you want to throw a few more in there? Ken Herbeck. Yes. We got some Craig Biggio up in here. I know we have a good player on the D-backs, and the only name that's coming to my head is Corbin Dallas,

which is – that is the action star from Fifth Element. It's Corbin Carroll. It's Corbin Carroll. Okay. Corbin Dallas from Fifth Element. So what do you think. It's Corbin Carroll. Okay. Corbin Dallas from Fifth Element. So what do you think? You answer the question for yourself out there. Do you want to listen to it? The whole show is

us naming players who are from the 90s. They're 80 years older. They're deceased already. Jeff Bagwell. Oh, he was one of the killer bees right Yeah with Biggio Great job Mike

I wonder if you locked me in a room And you said like You have to name 50 baseball players And then they'll release your family from the hostage situation Exactly I don't get out of the room Until I literally sit down And come up with 50 I wonder if I could do it.

Like, at all times. Yeah. He starts naming characters from Field of Dreams. Right. Hey, those were real players. Yeah. At some point. All right.

Alex Tabor says, or asks, how do I convince my redraft league to switch to a keeper? Well, keepers are my most. Yeah, you hit him with a come on. Keeper leagues are an absolute blast. That's my favorite format. Our league of record is a keeper where we basically get to take three players over to the next year. It gives us assets in draft picks to be able to trade.

It allows the draft to still be extremely important and matter just like a redraft, but it, it keeps it, you know, completely going. Like there, there's no real off season now. Now we're in a part of our keeper league that can be fun again. Convincing other people to do it, that's the argument. That's the story. I think if you have one league that you're very close with that's great and you're wanting to convert, you either will get the support naturally.

People will be like, heck yeah, that sounds great. Let's do it. And if they don't and you're needing to convince them then what i would try is creating just a second league with that say you know let's keep that that league going but let's also add a keeper league um that would be my only advice of being able to try to convince people who aren't already in it yeah the the the part that I like about the keeper leagues is the change of strategy a bit, but then I've become more invested in certain players because you end up, it's not all the time,

but sometimes you'll have a guy kept for three or four years, which I actually think is more of a rarity now. But when you find that one player and you hit when they're in the hot times. Antonio Brown is yours. Like Antonio Brown is Mike's. Yeah, we know him as Mike's. Yeah, and you guys, you didn't get to experience the greatness that was Antonio Brown. Yeah, and that's why I'm really hoping I'm beginning that that was CD the CD lamb

lineage here you and me both you me all right we're gonna we're gonna wrap it up that's gonna be it thank you for joining us today we'll be back with another show on Thursday a rookie review episode so for those of you like us

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