Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Crucial Start/Sit Decisions + Hungry For More, TNF Preview - Fantasy Football Podcast for 11/20

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

Week 12 start/sit advice on today’s fantasy football podcast! Which highly drafted players should stay on the bench this week? Plus, “Hungry For More” players and a preview of Thursday Night Football. Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for November 20th, 2024. (00:00) - Intro (05:50) - Quick Question - Drop strategy approaching playoffs (10:20) - Hungry For More (10:45) - Anthony Richardson (17:55) - NFL News (20:40) - Thursday Night Breakdown: Steelers at Browns (00:00) - Mailbag (27:55) - Deebo Samuel or Jameson Williams? (30:15) - Matthew Stafford or Anthony Richardson? (33:20) - Devonta Smith or Jameson Williams? (38:15) - Josh Jacobs insurance? (41:15) - Sam Darnold or CJ Stroud? (42:20) - Quentin Johnston or Raiders starting RB? (43:30) - Worst player you would start over Waddle? (44:35) - What is the foot pedal Mike uses? (47:00) - Bo Nix or Kyler Murray? Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Check out today's sponsors: Hungry For More presented by Uber Eats News & Notes presented by USAA. Visit https://USAA.com/Insurance Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hey, this is Job the Tailor running back for the Indianapolis Cots and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. The fantasy footballers, Jason Moore, Andy Holloway with you this morning. Jay Grizz holding down Mike's seat. Does Jay Grizz live in Disneyland and then swap places when one of us goes that's assuming you're saying every time we're missing it's Disneyland yeah yeah

which is true for Mike Mike's got a couple days off here with the family in Disney so the bear extraordinaire had to say thank you Jay thank you you know when it first came it was shocking the second time that it that it came I was like, oh, okay, that's funny, people like it, and now it's like, that's too long. It's been very long. Well, J-Gris was known for being silent. That was kind of his thing. Right.

And so this is a big adjustment for us, that he's so vocal with music. Yeah, and the fact that he can somehow push his own button, and you don't even get to participate in that. No, I've got no control. Welcome in, one and all all hungry for more NFL news, Thursday night preview, mailbag. Have a waiver, a quick question on today's show.

We are excited to be with you, excited to help you get ready for the upcoming week. Weeks, really, the final three before your fantasy playoffs. It's the nitty gritty of the fantasy football season. There is time to make a move to make the playoffs if you're right on the cusp. There is time to prepare for the playoffs if you feel like you're established

and you're ready to rumble. And we're here to help you out. That's what this show's always been about, just equipping you with all the information and you apply that to your league contacts and try to win a championship Yeah, I like I like calling it the nitty-gritty time because it's different for everybody Some people are gonna coast into the playoffs from here and they need to prepare for those matchups some people have to you know Scratch and claw their way some people have to look at opponents and plan some, you know, 3D chess.

4D. 4D chess. 3D chess is normal chess. Well, you're right about that, aren't you? Yeah. I guess if I'm playing chess, that's just in 3D. I mean, 2D, you could be on a computer. Right.

But normal chess is 3D. That's just chess. Just play some chess. Just regular old chess. Why don't we just call it 3D chess? That's way cooler. Yeah, no, you could. Well, next time I play chess,

I'm playing 3D chess. I don't think you play any of the... I play 2D checkers. Okay, my man, that's my game of choice. I was thinking this morning, just in turn, we did the Playoff Primer episode. We came out with that article, talked about good defenses to pick up, good matchups.

There is one little piece of nuance I think that doesn't get mentioned that is important, which is just you may be positioned now, you may have acted on that information and got yourself set up, but you still need to stay water because we saw the Denver defense, for instance, when they lost Patrick Sertan to a concussion, they weren't the same defense for about two and a half weeks. And so when you think about what makes a defense great, what makes their matchups great, those things still have the opportunity to change injuries on the defensive side.

Or you know, an example might be maybe Anthony Richardson gets it going for a few weeks, and that Indianapolis matchup, it doesn't look so good anymore, or something like that. Or, conversely, the Packers lose Jordan Love again, and they're starting a backup, and then they look like a better matchup. So, you position, but you stay paying attention. And we're grinding over here.

5D chess. This is, we're grinding, and we're gonna make sure sure if you're listening to the show the rest of the way We're gonna make sure you're set up with as much information Information overload so you can hopefully win the championship and make sure you click that subscribe Button that follow button on Spotify on Apple leave us a five-star review if you want to help the show It's an easy ten second way to help out the podcast help people find us and you can watch the show on YouTube YouTube comm slash the fantasy footballers subscribe click the bell over there and that's where you'll tune in to Sunday live Which Jason is handling this week. Yes, sir. I'm very very excited about that. I think

This is this is an important week and I'm gonna try to get, I'm gonna say 70% of things right. That's not bad, no, and there's a lot of spot starts in players that are gonna be finding their way into your lineup this week. I'm sure our Start Sit tool on the website will be riddled with players that don't normally make the list, but this week with the bye weeks they do.

And you can download the free mobile app, the fantasy footballers on iOS and Android as well and find our rankings each week always adjusted always being tweaked and you can check that out on the app store quick question of the day mr. Moore when preparing for the playoffs what is the right balance between dropping players you won't need versus not dropping them so your opponents don't have them? How many D on the chess are we playing here? Well... Because there are levels here where you can get crazy. I really do...

I've done it both ways. I've won a championship. I don't think. Being casual and just playing, just make my roster the best I can. Without concerning yourself with the. Without concerning myself with the opponents. This is not something you have to do.

But there are times and situations where to take it to the next level, a matter of who I'm gonna drop, I'm not looking at the player and saying, this player is good, I don't want someone to have him, but I am gonna look at my opponent's specifically and say This is a good quarterback and my opponent needs a quarter right now I look at my opponent's playoff schedule, and I go yes They are not gonna like the quarterback they have right now

And I'm not gonna drop Baker to the waivers because I don't need him, but his playoff schedule's great. Now, if his playoff schedule's great, and my opponent that I expect to play, again, how deep do you wanna go? Because you can really look at the matchups the rest of the way. Start planting out seeds. I mean, nothing ever works out exactly how we anticipate,

but you can look and say, okay, I think I'm gonna be playing this guy in round two. And he's got Lamar, so I don't care about losing Baker. Makes sense. I don't think I told you, so I traded for Lamar Jackson right at the trade deadline. So I had Kyler Murray and I put him on the block

to move him and I made a choice choice because I got several offers right away. Mm-hmm. I could have had a better pick. I made the choice to- Keep away from an opponent. It was a division mate fighting for the playoffs. It was like, I might see this person down the line. They desperately need a quarterback.

I took one round worse to send him to a team that's out of the playoffs. Because I felt like Kyler with the schedule, like I wasn't going to need him. I needed to capture a pick back. I traded a lot for Lamar. So that was one of the first times that I made a very conscious choice to take a little less. But I didn't want to be caught in the playoffs losing to the player that I'm trading for a six round pick.

Yeah, no, that feels bad. That's shades of Joyk Bell. Yeah, you did that. Years ago, and some of you, if you've been around long enough, you heard the story even when it happened, but I had a player you might remember, Joyk Bell, who I had been saving forever for the playoffs. His playoffs schedule was great, but I needed a roster spot like two weeks beforehand. I thought I could sneak him to waivers.

Oh man. I snuck him to waivers. Oh man. Andy picks him up immediately. Two weeks later, we're in the playoffs playing against each other. I am eating a lot of joint bell points as you just dunk on me.

You kick me out of the playoffs with that. And if I may say, look at, yeah, oh yeah., that was the old school joy. That was originally joint bill. I I don't like I don't like doing this at all Like I really don't like doing this but I'm gonna do it for the sake of the foot clan Not for the sake of you. I give you a lot of props Nice. Um, I'm gonna give you a lot credit, because I think you're the king of looking forward. You usually know what your next few matchups are. And for some weird reason, I mean, type A to the max, but you usually know what my next

couple schedules are, who's playing who, what week. You don't just go look at your lineup, set it and check out. You look at the league, you look at who's fighting for what, who needs what and make much more. Well, I'm a terrible father and husband. Right, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying is sacrifice all the other things in your life for fantasy football.

It just for eight weeks. You know what I mean? Eight, 12, 15, six months, eight months. Half the, I think you, half the year. I give them one good month. Which month? February. Okay.

Right after the Super Bowl. Got it. And I say, you remember me? No, look, it ebbs and flows. And then March comes around and your family's happy again because you abandoned them. Yeah, right. Great.

Yeah, you really took this to the next level. Let's do this. ["Hungry for More Theme Song"] Welcome to Hungry for More, presented by Uber Eats. ["Hungry for More Theme Song"] Well, Andy, you brought this name up a second ago. I don't know if you knew he was my Hungry for More player or not. No, I did not know. But Anthony Richardson is my Hungry for More player.

If you were on Sunday Live with Mike this last week, he was fielding some questions about Anthony Richardson and his thoughts were essentially, he wasn't confident to play him. Obviously, we've had a lot of bad games, but he's happy to have Anthony Richardson go off on the bench in hopes that we have learned something new and that really Anthony Richardson has learned something new through the little benching. I don't pretend to think that benching a guy for a couple of weeks can fix accuracy problems in and of itself.

If I had to put a bet on the probability, the probability says that this was an outlier game for Anthony Richardson and his accuracy. But he was benched, he came back, he goes on the road, and he played good football. He completed 67% of his past 20 for 30. Do you realize what his average was before that game, by the way? I would guess 45. It was 44%. Yeah, I mean that is a massive change and it wasn't like on 16 attempts. It was on 30. No, he played a good game. Not only I mean 272 passing yards on the road in a game that they weren't supposed to win had two rushing touchdowns, one passing touchdown. He had in the fourth quarter, back to back,

70 yard touchdown drives to get the win. And if you look at his first, he's got 11 career starts, he now has four top five finishes. Over the last decade, the only players with more through 11 starts are Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, and Deshaun Watson. If you remember, once upon a time he was good at football. This is this is the right segment for Anthony Richardson. This is where he belongs. Right, because we're hungry,

we're not sure it's gonna work. Yeah, we might starve. Oh yeah, yeah. I mean we've starved before and the risk you assume with Richardson massive. Massive rich risk, massive upside. Yeah. And upside wins championships. So, um, you know, you look ahead to the. Playoff weeks and you know, first week into the playoffs is Denver. She likes, I'm not going to do it. Second week, Tennessee.

Okay. I think they've got a good defense, but their offense collapses so much that they end up giving it up in the end. The Giants in championship week, I'm fine taking the shot on him. He is the type of player that I don't want to face him in the playoffs. I don't want to go up against, I'd rather go up against the Kirk Cousins than see Anthony Richardson on the other side. And if you're one of those teams. Because of upside potential.

Exactly. If you're one of those teams that is on the scratching and clawing your way to the playoffs. Yeah, on the lower talent than your opponent. Exactly. You're not the number one seed. You're not the behemoth team. You want to know how you can surprise people and win a championship? Yeah, yeah.

Having a quarterback go drop 35 points three weeks in a row. Yeah, no, you're right. And I hope it continues. I think we could be hungry for more just on the basis of like Richardson's career arc, even beyond this season, just hoping that he's another fantasy relevant player that performs.

I just really liked that he, it's so weird, but he just was accurate and that's I mean if I'm being honest that's the only thing I'm hungry for more of I don't need a 35-point fantasy game I just want to see him like for the for the wide receiver sakes for Josh Downs and and I like how Michael Pittman is now like fourth yeah but it's nice to have a quarterback that can Complete open passes and that he struggled with that in a way that no NFL quarter You can't play quarterback at the NFL know if you can't complete an open pass, which is a combination of

Taking the easy pass footwork Pocket presence all those things that that he needed to work on. My hungry for more is taste some stupid hill. Taste some hill. What is he? I don't know what he is. He's weird.

He had 10 targets. He had seven rushing attempts. He had three rushing touchdowns. He had a pass completion. And he's got a coach that loves him as much, if not more than the previous two coaches. He's a wild card. He's a wild card.

And you know what? Wild cards win championships. If what we talked about yesterday is true, which is they like him more, they're going to give him more work. They don't have other options. He was a key to success. They believe the more they give Taysom Hill opportunities to make big plays, which how can you argue with 7 for 183 or 138 on

the ground? If that comes true, if that's your tight end and his baseline is going to be 6 to 8 points the rest of the way and your top side is 40? There is a world where we're going to get another game with a rushing touchdown and a passing touchdown. Yeah, Jawan Jennings and Hunter Henry aren't going out there and dropping 30 points ever, ever. Camara or Taysom Hill was the plan, the focal point on 39 of 60 plays for the team last week. So, and he was, he was, Taysom Hill was the choice on 20 of the 60 plays. So

it's something about workload, it's something about opportunity, it's something about a schedule, which right now is the ninth easiest for running back. It's the third easiest for tight end. You have to look at both with Taysom. He could be, he could be. Just take advantage of whichever part of the game you want.

He could be the secret sauce. Did I say Jawan Jennings or Jawan Johnson? That was the name of that. I believe you said Jennings. Because he can put up 30, he's done it. Yeah, you want to know what else Taysom Taysom Stupidhill, as it's written in our doc, is Taysom Hill is the player that right before we hit record you were freaking out about on our waivers wondering how much fab people have because you want him. Do you want him for you or do you want him to keep your opponent from having him for the playoffs?

I want him just in case, right? Like I have Kate Otten. Mike Evans comes back, McMillan's back. You know, I don't know. I don't feel good enough. It makes complete sense. I understand that. So we'll find out about 30 minutes. He could be the best flex pickup. Like, that's the truth. Like, Kacen Hill could be good enough to flex. For sure.

And you know what's funny is? It's like, do you want to start him or Wondale? You know what I mean? This week, I have seen so many leagues, so many times, myself included, where I'm starting either two or even three tight ends because of bi-week apocalypse and those type of things. And also a combination of the fact

that there's good startable tight ends right now. It's like, yeah, Hunter Henry get nine targets, eight targets a week. Yeah, exactly. If you're going to try to pick up a Waverwire wide receiver or Hunter Henry I Would guess Hunter Henry's getting you know more work or will Dizzle II baby Yeah, big Montana that was hungry for more presented by uber eats where you can get the best deals on game day food all season long

Uber eats the official on-demand partner on-demand delivery partner of the NFL, order now. News and notes from around the league, presented by USAA Insurance. As expected, Jake Ferguson, hard-pressed to play in Dallas' week 12 game. Schoonman! Yeah, the Schoonman may get some opportunity.

You know their rookie tied in in that game? Yeah, he scoon man may get some opportunity. You know, they're rookie tight end in that game Yeah, he was very involved. He had five targets and I do not I know his name is hasn't you not Hyphenated his name his last name is to me. Hold on. Let me see if I can get to it span forward Man dash for you go. Yeah, I was unfamiliar with his work prior to the week Not not afraid to admit that obviously you don't need to rush back Jake Ferguson They're not looking to make the playoffs at this point for the Cowboys and Cooper Rush. It's a short week So yeah Cooper Rush is the starter. That was the other announcement. I mean that that's that's another name like Schoonmaker

Could literally be someone that you pick up and start in your flex off of waivers. I'm not saying it's... That one's frightening but... Exciting or that you're happy about it but he I mean he had ten targets this last week. Cooper Russia is gonna look his way so it is possible he comes out and has a at least a good enough baseline. They're hoping to get Brandon Cooks back this week too his 21 day window was opened. They threw the ball 55 times so maybe Brandon, man, nevermind.

Yeah, don't do that. Aaron Rodgers likely won't be back with the Jets now that they fired General Manager Joe Douglas. I think this is, this report is a little bit more likely, speculative. Yeah, speculative. I think it's looking at just the reality of the situation where you've had Joe Douglas doing everything Aaron Rodgers asked. He's been the guy that went out and signed Lazard and signed, didn't they sign Randall

Cobb? Yep. And trade for Devontae Adams and try to rebuild it and hire the the offensive coordinator that Aaron Rodgers wants. So the fact that Joe Douglas is gone is certainly just a strike against this being pro Aaron Rodgers. I just wonder what he wants to end his career like. That's the other part of it. I don't think it's his choice, man. He wants to end his career like a Super Bowl champion. That's what he wants. Ain't happening. Probably not. That's today's News and Nuts presented by USA Insurance. Learn more at usaa.com slash insurance. We'll take a break. We'll hit the Thursday night preview. Thursday night breakdown. Well this is this is a bit

dirty Jason DraftKings has the Steelers at 8 and 2 against the 2 and 8 Cleveland Browns in Cleveland. Good palindrome game. Which you love. I know you love. I do love those. Draft Kings Sportsbook has the game Pittsburgh minus just 3-1.5. The overrunner is 36-1.5.

Oh, I don't love that. The implied point total is 20 for Pittsburgh, the favored team. That is the fewest implied points for an 8-win team over the last decade. Well, there are. They did not score a touchdown last week, by eight-win team over the last decade. Well, there are- They did not score a touchdown last week, by the way, in beating the Ravens. Yeah, I do think that the Steelers offense can move the ball against the Browns defense, and this low of an over-under is a little surprising to me. However, there is weather concerns here, probably some sort of rain or snow.

Little bit snow. Little bit snow. So that could be factoring into the overall just a divisional matchup with two good defenses and offenses that aren't prolific by any means. You add in some weather and I understand how you get here. But if I'm just looking at the personnel and what over the last month the Jamis led Browns have done and the Russell led Steelers have done obviously this last week was bad for the Steelers offense but they've they've been putting up points well Thursday night has a way

of slowing off and says down at times Cleveland beat them last year in November 1310 ooh that's a fun one so I think your fantasy expectations at a at times, Cleveland beat them last year in November. 13-10. 13-10. Ooh, that's a fun one. So I think your fantasy expectations, at a minimum with those, with the weather, with the lines, they need to be measured. Who were the quarterbacks in that game?

Was Watson, was that like a Watson picket matchup? Cause that sounds like a 13-10. Probably a picket Dorian Thompson Robinson game. I don't even know. Yeah. It was a while ago. But it'll be one with the running game, like, nausea, 20 opportunities a game, lock him in. Lock him in.

Pickens, you can lock in. Yeah, I mean, I. But you. The Browns have a good run defense on the season, so you don't expect a huge game from him, especially. Taysom Hill's like, what are you talking about? It was confirmed, DTR and picket. Oh, okay, I got it right.

Yeah, it was gross. I mean, this is, Jamis and Russ is an upgrade over what we saw last year. The question really becomes, is Jamis and the passing volume going to break against the Steelers defense? Because right now, Jerry Judy, Cedric Tillman, Elijah Moore, you've been fine with all... and David Njoku. They've just had so much volume.

So let's rate the confidence level of those players out of five. So for Njoku, I'm a five out of five in confidence. For Tillman and Judy, I'm a three out of five in confidence for Tillman and Judy. I'm a three for both for both and for Elijah more on the two Yeah, I I would say I am pretty equal there. I might be a four on Jerry Judy And really it comes down to Jamis I believe Despite the line despite the weather despite the defense, okay, so that's three strikes,

this should be out. But I don't know that there's anything that can stop Jameis Winston from chucking the ball. I just don't think the coaching staff can. I don't think anything, and that- Well, the Steelers could be the ones catching it. Sure, absolutely, they'll get some of that. I mean, yeah.

What was that? That was- Can we get that clipped for future use, please? Thank you. that. I mean, yeah. What was that? Can we get that clipped for future use, please? Thank you. That was a hearty agreement. That was a real big sure. It was a little goofy in there, probably when Disney came out. But still, a pick six has never slowed James Winston down.

No, look, they're not gonna be able to run. Chub hasn't looked. I mean, Chub was OK last week on a yards per carry basis, but they only gave him 10 opportunities. The likelihood is to be down, and Jameis will be figuring it out. And that can be enough. And so we'll find out whether push comes to shove.

It's why I like Najoku the most is because close to the line is scrimmage, escape valve, pass rush. Tight end position. Yeah, just he can out physical, you know, wide catch radius, all of that stuff. But in this game, I, you know, it's going to be a challenge. We'll find out whether like if Winston does have a game that he supports these guys in spite of the matchup, it will probably be prescriptive for that tough schedule down

the stretch where you might be able to look to him, you know, but I don't expect Cleveland to be able to win this ballgame. 41, 46, and 46 pass attempts in Jameis Winston's three starts. So yeah, I believe you can throw in Judy Tillman and the Joe Koo. Obviously George Pickens is in pretty much no matter the matchup right now. And the Browns have struggled against White Outs. That is one area where Pickens should be okay. Yeah, he's the wide receiver 17 on the season,

despite the beginning of the year being with Justin Fields. And he only has two total touchdowns on the season. So he can go north. Jalen Warren, forever a disappointment to you, continues to be? Well, until he scores ten fantasy points, which he has not done this entire season and probably won't So yes, yeah a little bit I mean because I the reason I'm especially disappointed because I think he's a talented player This isn't an anti Jalen Warren take as a player. It's an anti Jalen Warren being in my fantasy lineup take

But if you've got guys like Jalen Warren like Jerry Jerry, Judy, Cedric Tillman, Elijah Moore, these are flex level players. So this is a perfect time to remind you if they're going to start on Thursday Night Football, even if you've got a great stud in your wide receiver spot right now, move them into the wide receiver. Give you more time for the weekend to make those flex decisions later on. I'm taking a look into Deucer's alley real quick because who's currently got the toilet trophy? I believe it is Papa Josh. Okay so when

Mike misses, whoever's got the toilet trophy probably... Oh has the mailbag! Probably has the mailbag. Oh that's great let's hit that drop and go to that camera shall we? Mailbag be Mailbag Wow, that was pretty good Wow that I don't like what in the world just happened. Oh, no, that wasn't that bad No, I actually got a lot like Mike. Yeah, I thought I was good and Brooks even said dang. That was too good He just typed that sucks me and that talk about your old time backfire. can apply some filters to it yeah you know what that was that was confident which is not normally a part of the deuces alley you guys didn't hear Matt breathe the biggest sigh of relief he's ever breathed well he was full double fist pumping when you called on Josh well he'll be yeah trust me he'll get that

trophy soon that's off trophy will be his. Nice job, nice job. We will jump into the mail bag here, we'll answer some questions. We got some voicemails, is that true? Yes sir. I see voicemails in here. By the way, if you have a question,

you can go to the website, thefantasyfootballers.com, click the submit a question button, or you can dial the voicemail hotline, 302-464-TFFB, we're here to help. Let's jump in with a question from Anthony. Hey, Footballers, this is Aaron calling from Canada. Oh, Aaron. Just a quick question on who would you rather start

this week, full PPR league, Devo Samuel, who's kind of been crappy the last little bit, or Jamison Williams? I love the show, would appreciate the feedback, thanks. I can't see a world, by the way that was Debo or Jamison, I can't see a world where I'm playing Jamison over Debo. So it's funny I thought that you were going to go that route because I feel like you've been a little bit anti-Debo on the show the last week or two. We've seen you know some end of rounds that he's had

where you expect him to end up with eight, nine yards and he gets tackled one yard behind the line of scrimmage. He hasn't had great fantasy performances. And on the flip side, Jameson Williams has been very, very good. Just had a monster game with 124 yards and touchdown. He's got Indianapolis a much better matchup all that being said I I would agree that I would start Debo Samuel in the games that Jameson Williams has not scored a long touchdown right he

has a 64 yard touchdown 37 yard touchdown 70 yard touchdown 52 yard touchdown if he doesn't get that one long play which is fine to gamble on. One for nine, one for negative four, three for 53. So it's not gonna be volume. And maybe this is a little bit more of what do you need, but I still think I need a guy that's out there and getting more targets than Jameson Williams, despite the disappointment. Yeah, I agree.

I mean, Jameson Williams seemingly has the higher odds at a big touchdown play, but if you look back at the last couple of games, even when Debo's been disappointing, 10.6 fantasy points, 10.1 fantasy points, this last week was an absolute bust, but he hasn't really let you down, and he always has the potential to score touchdowns

for the 49ers and you look at opportunities and it's rare because usually we only talk targets with wide receivers but with Deebo you got to talk opportunities because he gets targets and handoffs 11, 9, and 8 in the last three games. Yeah give me that. So yeah I'm gonna take the volume. Former my guy. Dibo saying it. Once upon a time. Once upon a time. Okay, let's jump into another voicemail here. Hey, fantasy footballers, this is Anthony from New Orleans. Who dat?

Shout out Papa Josh. What? My question is, I have Newboro on the buy. I also have Cooper Cup. Should I ride the stack with Matthew Stafford or start Anthony Richardson for the upside both both teams playing tough defenses thank you ballers love the show so Matthew Stafford against Philly or Anthony Richardson against Detroit I know

I know my answer yeah and that he has Cooper cop right I would play Stafford I know the matchups terrible and I don't think that'll be your answer. I would play Stafford because of the stack, because of the power of that, because of the fact he's had two, four touchdown games in the last four games played with Puka and Cooper Cup in the equation. That's where I'd go. He's at home, which matters to me quite a bit in terms of the Philadelphia performance. That's where I'd go.

Richardson had a great game. Stafford outscored him by a few points. Yeah, it's close, but I am genuinely afraid of the Philadelphia Eagles defense. It's not like a great, unbelievable matchup against Detroit, but I there they aren't a passing defense that Scares me They also just lost Their D lineman they lost I mean they're linebacker. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Loni. Thank you

I can never remember beautiful blonde hair man's name It sounds like pasta. You know what I mean? It does make me hungry. Like a nice big bowl of Anzaloni with meat sauce. Dude, I would gobble it up. Yeah. Sounds delicious. So I'm going Anthony Richardson. Really?

Yeah, I would. Matthew Stafford's bad games have been really, really bad. Obviously, Anthony. How about Richardson's? No, I mean, both guys have a wide range of outcomes, but I can see a path for in this matchup for Anthony Richardson to go out and put up 30. If Stafford did it against Philly, I'd be blown away. We should make a bet. We should make a Stafford Richardson bet. But it's not just Stafford versus Richardson because I think I- Did you say Stafford? You said Stafford.

Okay, because here's the thing. I think that there's good odds that Stafford outscores Richardson in the sense that he scores 12 and Richardson scores eight and then it's like oh great It's it can either one get to 25 fantasy points if either one does then the other person wins because I think Richardson can have a 25-point game. I don't think Stafford can have a 25-point game here So I don't know how to bet that how about we make a bet I take staffer you take Richardson But the only way you win it is if your guy scores 25 or more. There you go done. Okay, what's this for? Water bed and $100. Okay, I'm in and $100. All right Taylor green back on Twitter writes in Devante Smith

Against the Rams. So the other side of that matchup or they aforementioned Jamieson Williams. Yeah Devante Smith here for sure this is a Player who has been what's with him though? You know, what's what what's with the the two disappearing games? Well, two disappearing games lately? Two disappearing games. One thing I did see is that there is no team in football that is doing less passing of

the football than the Philadelphia Eagles. Because they were talking, I saw an article, they were talking about AJ Brown and how he's performing at an extremely high level, but the Eagles offense is like dead last in passing expectation. So that might be what's happened with Devontae. Two for 14, four for 29, but you're very confidently on that side of the equation. I'm confidently on that side of the equation. I'm sure I can find that stat for you.

Because if you look at Devontae Smith, he was really getting it done. Downfield, lots of targets, lots of yards, 85 yards touchdown, 87 yards and a touchdown. This last week was really disappointing. Six targets, four for 29, a dud game. And you're going, well, back-to-back that games a week prior was a massive dud But that week prior was that game against Dallas where it was 34 to 6 seq one ran all over him and the in the game Just disappeared. I don't see that happening against the Rams in Los Angeles. It was Adam Levitt on that posted it Eagles are dead last in PR le which is pass rate over expectation in the last four games.

So by contrast, number one, just for curiosity's sake. Don't tell me it's Detroit. No, it's the Bengals. The Bengals are number one, in fact, maybe more interesting than that. Number two, Kansas City. That is a pass rate over expectations. I think part of that is that this is over the last month. Just four games. Yeah. So that Denver game

where Kareem Hunt got 10 targets wildly and differently, I'm sure skews that. But yeah, that's still interesting. I think Devontae, I mean, not I think. Devontae Smith is a disappointment this year. He hasn't had a top 12 week. Yeah, I mean. And he's right now, he's the 32nd ranked wide receiver. I think he was drafted higher than that. Yeah, he had his bye week, he missed a game. By contrast, last year he had like six or seven performances in the top 12 last year.

I don't know, I just feel like he's been more invisible this year is all I mean. He's not a worse player, but somehow more invisible because of Saquon and because of just the way the game has evolved for Philly. No one has drafted Devontae Smith this year and gone, I am succeeding because of him. Right.

I've got the Jalen Hurts Devontae Smith stack in dynasty and I've loved it most of the year. It's just not, it hasn't been a home run, but sometimes you need a double. And that is my final baseball comment. Yeah, cause Jameson Williams will give you a strikeout sometimes. Yeah, he's a grand slam or a strikeout. Dang it, I did it again. You did it again. You did it again. You love baseball. And that's one of the things that I've always known about you, Jason the baseball guy. You know, I do like baseball analogies.

That's it. Oh, is that a nice tune to put someone to sleep? I think yesterday we were talking about throwing out the first pitch. I mean, every day you're like- Go to sleep. You have to watch baseball tonight. Yeah. I wanted to take a quick look at the target pace for Devontae Smith compared to last year in case that was a contrast that was worth noting. 112 last year. He's on pace for 105 this year. It's not much of a difference which which, you know, maybe just, what has it got?

Four touchdowns this year? What did he score last year? Do you know off the top of your head? I don't know off the top of my head. I would guess seven. Seven. Yeah, I mean, it's not that much different. Just maybe spread out a little bit in more wide receiver two performances than the big games and the bad games. And you feel it when it's coming off of a down. Yeah. It's like, if, you know, two weeks ago we were happy with them,

he had three or four weeks with a touchdown, it was doing great, and then two bad games, you're unhappy. If you only have just recency bias and you play based on what happened last week, especially at the wide receiver position, you just end up making the wrong start so often because there's not a ton of consistency at wide receiver outside of the top guys and so when I look at these players certainly Jameson Williams can outscore him but I think who's the

better wide receiver? Davante Smith is the better wide receiver. I want the I want the more talented player. This is a good question. We actually talked about this in the studio briefly. Everyone's dealing with players they have to drop for by week pickups and Sandra writes in on Instagram says who is Josh Jacobs backup and is he even worth rostering conversation yesterday was one in which Marshawn Lloyd was on a Josh Jacobs managers bench They have You know Lloyd hasn't played Lloyd hasn't made it to the field this week got disrupted by appendicitis apparently yeah and What Emanuel Wilson's been the guy back behind Josh Jacobs, and he's even worth rostering

That one's not clean. It's not a clean Trey Benson, not a clean Blake Corum. And so probably not. Like I will tell you, I am not rostering Joe Mixon's backup. I don't care. Because you're not sure that it is Damian Pierce. Because it's not. It'll be Damian Pierce and it'll be Daria Gumbelwale. It'll be a few carries to another guy because we've already seen that. We saw Mix and Miss time earlier this year and it was supposed to be Cam Akers and well

it wasn't. It was Cam Akers Plus. And so if you think, like it's better to roster somebody else that you'd flex above the randomness of a committee backfield. Yeah, I can agree with everything you're saying. We talked on the Dynasty podcast. We were talking about the players who have disappointed and wrecked their Dynasty stock and whether they're going to sink or swim. Like, do we cut bait or do we think? And Marshall Lloyd

was one of the names I brought up who has obviously destroyed his value coming into the season as a day two running back in a committee for a good offense. And now, if you don't remember, he played 14% of the snaps in week two, and that's it. That's the only time we've seen him on an NFL field. I still like the talent and the opportunity. The report came out that he was supposed to be heavily involved in the game plan this last week. Except he got a pin to Scythus. Like worst luck ever. I just don't believe it. And that's fine. I don't believe that he could possibly be a big part of the game plan. I do not. Having never played it down and being third on the chart. I do not think

Marshawn Lloyd needs to be rostered right now because I don't see the clear path towards starting him. But I do not think Marshawn Lloyd is dead. I think he's got bright days ahead. For dynasty? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, I'm with you on that, for sure. But this is a very competitive team, and I just would be shocked to have him trust in that much.

Now if he's a game breaker, he'll make his way to the field. Looks like Jeremy dropped Marshawn Lloyd as the Josh Jacobs manager this morning. Yeah, and I think part of that is he had been You could tuck him under IR Right, you're not gonna be able to do that anymore. All right, let's take a break and then we'll jump into some more mail back Well, we've got the we got a lot of tough questions coming in.

This one from X says Sam Darnold or CJ Stroud. I am a pretty big Stroud fan this week. Darnold plays in Chicago. CJ Stroud is at home against Tennessee. I like Stroud more this week. I do as well. Which is not something we've said almost ever this year. Yeah, I mean, Stroud gets Nico Collins back,

which is helpful. The Titans defense, I think, is good. However, this game is, you know, on the road for them. And you just, you see it a lot with teams where the offense is so bad and that a good defense just can't hold up. You just can't hold up the whole game. And I think that's what's happened a lot recently for the Titans. You know, and if the offense turns the ball over, gives some short fields, some easier touchdowns for Stroud.

I will say I'm not as bullish as Stroud this week as you are. This is more being a little bit more anti-Darnold. He's going up. Chicago is currently ranked number one in fantasy points against the quarterback position. It's on the road. It's not an exciting matchup for me. All right, YouTube question from Caleb Lewis, you Quinton Johnson against Baltimore this week,

bad passing defense, we like Quinton Johnson, or the Raiders starting running back? You can't make me start the Raiders starting running back. And also, I mean, this one is, this one's like a 360 dunk. You know what I mean, this is easy. That's not a 360 dunk. You know I mean this is easy That's not a baseball reference that you know I saw I'm done with that okay I'm saying this is this is like you're gonna love this Quinton Johnson against Baltimore is a player. I want Baltimore this last week had a slugfest in division Where it you know wasn't a lot of fantasy points given up

Although Pickens still had a decent game, but through the course of the season, you expect Lamar to score a ton of points, and then if that happens against the Chargers in the Harbol, then Quentin Johnson's gonna be necessary and their secondary's not very good. YouTube, I was laughing, because this question I just read at Austin Anderson

writes in off of YouTube, who is the worst player you would currently start over Jim and wattle? Okay, that's a weird question. I just keep scrolling. I'm here for it. Okay, Elijah Moore. Oh We're going flex. I was thinking running back. I would definitely start Elijah Moore Over wattle over wattle. Yeah, how about? Michael Wilson of the Cardinals Michael Wilson of the Cardinals Michael Wilson of the Cardinals think so Yeah, sure. Give me Michael Wilson. I'm trying to trade Tucker of the Raiders

Or Jalen wattle. I'll go Jalen wattle there I don't I don't think Trey Tucker is gonna get it done this week the old Johnson in the flex or Jalen wattle I'll go wattle, but how about this one though? this week. Theo Johnson in the flex or Jalen Waddle? I'll go Waddle. How about this one though? Gus Edwards or Jalen Waddle? Probably Gus. I think Gus because chance on a touchdown against Baltimore where he scored so many.

Jalen Waddle is just dead. You know it's. I mean John New Smith. Oh John New Smith. It was an easy play. I mean, John who Smith. Oh, John who Smith, I would definitely start. Instagram question from Riley, what is the pedal that Mike is using with his foot during the show?

That is a mute button. So both Andy and I have a mute button just under the desk where I can touch it and mute myself as I'm doing now. This is great audio. Makes for really good audio, yeah. And then Mike just put his on the floor so his hands can be free. To do jazz.

Right, he does jazz hands usually when he mutes. Talks about dattle. If we have to cough or take a drink. Mike is a musician, a guitar player, and very used to using pedals. So he prefers it on the floor. Is yours on the floor, Jeremy? Mine is on the floor.

And the Deucers, Your buttons are different though. Your buttons allow you to talk. Oh yes, ours are push to talk, yours are push to mute. Yeah, because we like talk, we should be talking. Yeah, and you should be mute. I mean, if I could get rid of the push to talk part, I would.

If Josh could deliver the way he did the mail backdrop, we'd let him talk more. Most of the stuff that comes out of his mouth is not that good. It's not like that at all. No. All right. It's usually wild nonsense. I wish you were joking. Or, yeah, no, no, no.

That one isn't a bit wild nonsense or incredible stories from the 27 lives he's lived. Can I ask you one question, Josh before we move on sure? When you were a child back when it was black and white And you were in school, how many times did your teacher say the quote? Joshua, please use your inside voice Never never he did. You know, I never went to school. I do talk a lot but not loudly. I did get in trouble for talking a lot in school. Just so you know, Papa Josh, real quick, do you

believe that you do not? Yeah, I need to know this. Do you actually believe that you? Yes, I'm loud. No, I am loud. Okay, all right, okay, because, okay. We're not saying we don't love you. No, we love you, man. We're saying that it's just good to know what you are. And we know where you are at all times. At all times.

Oh, yeah, yeah. I would just like to apologize to our devs who have to wear headphones. Yeah, they have noise-canceling headphones because of you Josh brings a lot to the table. He does company Tina on Twitter says start bone nicks or Kyler Murray this week. Oh, I love that question because I really like Bo nicks and the answer is Kyler Murray, Yeah, Kyler's got Seattle.

And I've been looking forward to this Kyler matchup for a while. Yeah, he's coming off of the bye. And I mean, this is where, as a Cardinals fan, we know what's coming, which is a, you know. Some type of colossal defeat. Just awful play and looks like they've never played football before, because right when you start to get hope that's what happens

saying you have hope now I Refuse to have hope I am a hardened Cardinals fan where I know better than that Breaking news This is big Mike Evans seen participating in practice on Wednesday is big. Mike Evans seen participating in practice on Wednesday. Baker Mayfield managers rejoice. Mike Evans managers of course get excited. Couldn't come at a better time if you've got players going on by this week. Yeah, that that is that's great. Like Jamar Chase. Yeah, and not

just for Mike Evans, but really for Baker like Baker has balled out and he's done an admirable job with Mike Evans, but really for Baker. Baker has balled out and he's done an admirable job with Mike Evans' absence, but it was all he could do. All he could do. Now he gets a legit option back. Back to the Kyler Murray. Kevin Cole does some great work on Twitter. The adjusted quarterback efficiency through week 11, Kyler Murray is number one. He is above Lamar Jackson now. So he's been playing some really good ball, and I would start him over Bo Nix.

Are you in the same camp that Mike was, asking for a friend, that you would not worry about Otten because Godwin is missing, and they found something special with Kate Otten I think you said it right Macmillan is the worry if if Jalen Macmillan their rookie wide receiver who I think has looked pretty good this year if he comes back and is healthy and Kind of takes that next number two pecking order roll Then that could disrupt, I don't think Mike Evans is disrupting Autin.

They play in different areas of the field. Autin's gonna get his chain moving shorter yardage stuff, and Mike Evans is gonna stretch the field. With waiver wires going through, it's a good day to remind you to drop it like it's hot, especially on a bye week situation like this week. Drop it like it's hot. That is what that phrase means on this show

is please check who players drop to pick up other players. They're needing to fill bye week spots. Maybe it's somebody even more important than the Marshawn Lloyd we talked about earlier, but people are gonna get dropped today. Double check on those guys and make sure you survey the field there. We also don't take the opportunity very much to remind you about other podcasts that we produce

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Yes, we have our super-sized Megalodon show next Wednesday. And we're aiming for 14 hours. 14 hours long. Starts of the week, matchups tomorrow. Divided by seven. Matchups plus Wheel of Shame on Friday. That'll do it for today's show. Shout out to the Deucers, regular volume Al Borland, extra loud volume Papa Josh and the

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