Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Draft Fallers + Combine Buzz, New Offenses - Fantasy Football Podcast for 2/27

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

Fantasy Football talk for Feb 27, 2025. Which players will fall the most in 2025 fantasy drafts? Offseason questions, NFL Combine news, and more on today’s podcast! Plus, a look at changing offensiv...e coordinators, with potential impact to the Lions, Texans, and others! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. Get the lowest price on the 2025 UDK at UltimateDraftKit.com - Order before March 1st for an entry to win a Listener League Spot! Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh welcome in Thursday February 27th the fantasy footballers Mike Wright Jason Moore Andy Holloway I saw you check your watch, Jason. Were you confirming the date? I was indeed confirming the date. I didn't realize we were this close to the end of the month. Do you feel like you know when February is going to end, like inherently?
Starting point is 00:00:54 Like you know how long it's going to be? I know it's going to be 28 days. And I know that definitively four out of every four years. So quarter of the time I'm wrong. Yeah. I don't know when and I don't really care. I don't care what I'm wrong. Like if I wake up to, you know, on the 29th
Starting point is 00:01:15 and it's not the first, I'm like, okay. You're cool with that. Yeah, I don't care. What happened? Oh my gosh, I already tore the calendar page off we yeah well look do you know how many this year 28 yeah I mean this is not a leap year exactly right right no I so Saturday March 1st arrives which is the deadline the final day for the ultimate draft kit giveaway we're gonna give away a spot in the
Starting point is 00:01:44 listener league as long as you have the ultimate draft kit pre-ordered by then The final day for the Ultimate Draft Kit giveaway, we're gonna give away a spot in the Listener League as long as you have the Ultimate Draft Kit pre-ordered by then, you will be entered to win a Listener League spot and you'll get some other sweet perks. The Dynasty Pass available right now, so you wanna get over there, ultimatedraftkit.com. And again, if you are an Ultimate member of Join the Foot, you already have the UDK and you already entered to win.
Starting point is 00:02:04 Yeah, but you go check it out because it's an amazing resource and we've got more and more information coming on the rookies. There will be a new drop after the Combine which is coming up, I mean, any minute now. The Combine's this weekend, right? So, yeah, I mean, not really. I mean, really. Checked his watch again. Yeah, the Combine's. have combine notes on your watch? That's a second check of the watch. How much of your life is run by that watch? Is that a teleprompter?
Starting point is 00:02:30 Way too much. If I'm talking to someone, I am. I feel so. Always looking at my watch. I feel so rude because if they're not used to the notifications on the watch, it looks like I'm looking at the time. Can we move this along? You know, you can also not look at the notifications.
Starting point is 00:02:44 That's true. Oh, I can't do it. Oh, there's another one. I would say. It feels worse having to explain that you're getting no. I'm sorry. I'm only interrupting for a notification, not a time check. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:57 Someone far more important to you is trying to get a hold of me. It could be. I don't know until I check. Oh, it's not. You get to keep going. And there he is again. We thought we were going to do a 10 Things to Remember episode.
Starting point is 00:03:09 But. Couldn't remember. We are pushing that to Tuesday because we have some of the coaching changes, OC news that we didn't get to. And then there's a ton of NFL news to talk about as well. So we're going to tackle the remaining coaching changes and get through the news, answer some questions, and then next week we'll do
Starting point is 00:03:29 our famous, now famous 10 things to remember episode. So I know we'll have some good stuff to share. Do you even remember last year at all anymore? Yeah, barely, which is why we need to do this show quick. All right, so a reminder, you can find us on X at the FF Ballers, Instagram.com slash fantasy footballers as well. Let's jump right into the news. News and notes from around the league.
Starting point is 00:04:09 Well, Khalil Shakir, four-year contract with the Buffalo Bills. Your cash money. Worth up to $60 million. His guarantee was like 30 something. I remember that correct. I didn't see the guarantee. You can look that up. But I think, obviously, for dynasty, this is always great when you've got a guy that gets an extension.
Starting point is 00:04:26 But I, you know, he had a very good fantasy season. He was reliable, impactful in certain games. For being someone that you come in not really drafting, you know, in half of leagues, was undrafted. And this is a commitment from the Bills as an organization that he is an important part of their offense. That to me is just nice to know that if they bring in another wide receiver, which I think they will, I think they need to, they see Khalil Shakir as a really core, like his role
Starting point is 00:04:57 is kind of entrenched to me that he's going to keep doing it next year. And this was a, I mean, he had a hundred targets. Yeah, I like Khalil Shakir. I think he will probably always be a player that's more valuable to Josh Elm than he is to fantasy managers. But when we were doing the off-season discussions and Curtis Samuel was making headlines
Starting point is 00:05:16 and they were trying to figure out who the next man up would be, clearly Shakir stepped into that role and more than doubled his target total career career high had 76 receptions in 15 games 821 yards for touchdowns those hips don't lie me. Oh is that a sweet so Shakira thing? Yeah, okay Thank you. You're you're really You're really really well today. Yeah, watch didn't warn you on that one? Nope. OK. Bad joke incoming. You gave blood again, didn't you?
Starting point is 00:05:48 Oh, no. Mike McDaniel said Tyree Kill had surgery to repair a ligament in his wrist. Matthew Betts, our injury expert extraordinaire, should be cleared for training camp. We did also get a full, I don't remember what, somewhat recent, a full reversal from Tyree Kill. I remember after the season, it was, I am out of here.
Starting point is 00:06:12 Miami is not where I will be playing. You guys are a bunch of chumps. It softened a week or so later, and then we've had the full, no, I'm gonna be in Miami doing my thing. What percentage of fantasy football players will use the wrist ligament injury to absolve Tyree kill of his one half as good season and Give him a I don't think anyone is gonna give him a complete free pass
Starting point is 00:06:41 What about justification to draft them higher than he should be Yeah, I mean that that will be the justification used because you have to justify it. He was not good. He didn't miss games. And he was, like you said, almost half as many yards as the season prior. I think when you pull the trigger
Starting point is 00:06:59 and draft him where he's going, which is, to me, I'm still surprised how high he is being drafted. He is wide receiver 12 right now in best ball. Exactly. You would not do that. I will not take him at wide receiver 12. I mean, 12 seems okay to me. He was still-
Starting point is 00:07:16 Give me some names around that though. He was still good. You had to throw the draft capital away once we got here, but it's like week one, 20 plus fantasy points, two of it gets hurt, he's gone for a month or so, and then over the, you know, like from week eight on, he's still very usable, it just was not the number one or number two wide receiver. Would you rather have Tyreek Hill on your roster
Starting point is 00:07:39 or Garrett Wilson? Right now. Tyreek. Garrett. JSN? JSN. Tyreek. Garrett. JSN. JSN. Tyreek. DJ Moore?
Starting point is 00:07:48 DJ Moore. I think that one's DJ Moore. It will be hard, I think, for a lot of people to pass on Tyreek. Yeah? Because you know the upside is still, I mean, if you believe that it could be there. May, you've done this a bit with Kupra Cop.
Starting point is 00:08:07 Let me put it. Break the records and then justify the problems with injury and then. Mike, you said, so from week eight on, right, to his back and he was usable. Usable. Yes. So in a points per game from weeks eight on,
Starting point is 00:08:22 he was the wide receiver 27. He's usable. That's not someone that you're not going to throw in your flex or not going to even have as your wide receiver 2. But that's not someone I'm drafting at wide receiver 12. You know when I'm building my roster. Now obviously if this year was a blip on the map and he bounces back in a significant way because he's Tyree Hill and he's the fastest man on the planet. Great you'll be happy you made that pick but it's very rare for aging wide receivers over the age of 30 to have a down season and then be like I'm back baby. Yeah I won't be in on that I mean the idea of a bounce back he'll be 31 when he plays this year. A full bounce back?
Starting point is 00:09:02 No but I mean. And part of it is the change of the system. You don't have to a stepping back and airing the ball down the field where Tyree Kill thrived. Once he was back from his concussion injuries, just get the ball out of his hands as quick as possible and plenty of targets to Tyree Kill, but those aren't gonna be the same value. Yeah and if the offensive line doesn't get fixed in Miami, they won't have time. And it's already looking back. Even if they want to switch back. What's the next bit of news we have?
Starting point is 00:09:29 Steelers general manager Omar Khan said the team will tender running back Jalen Warren. Mike, maybe take a second and explain what that means to those that are not familiar with that terminology. So he is a restricted free agent. We're talking about Jalen Warren, which means that the team can, the Steelers are the team
Starting point is 00:09:48 that they're negotiating with the first. Jalen Warren will be able to go out and talk to other teams and get a contract offer from them. And then the Steelers will be able to say, we're either going to match certain things. And based off, there's different levels of tender, of saying this is the compensation that we will get back if another team steals him from us.
Starting point is 00:10:11 Because with the tender, then we're saying, we're going to give him this amount of money. Are you going to beat that? Essentially is how it will work. This says to me that the- But we saw that. We haven't heard anything on Nagi yet. So this is the team saying, we're at least active.
Starting point is 00:10:25 We're going to do it. Now, it might be original. And I think. That's an RFA tender, right? Well, I'm saying an original round, which Jalen Warren was an undrafted player. So it's not like this isn't a heavy investment, but at least they're giving us some signal
Starting point is 00:10:42 that they want him back. It says to me that Jalen Warren will be back on the Steelers, like almost definitively, because the free agent marketplace for running backs this offseason, considering how strong the draft class is, I don't think general managers are going to go out and spend a ton of money for a player like Jaylen Warren. They'll want him on the roster. They'll make him a reasonable contract offer, but a reasonable contract offer is something that will be matched by the Steelers.
Starting point is 00:11:10 The original round tag, I'm seeing 3.19 million. Okay. Is that for a undrafted player? That's the, yeah, that's not the, the second round tender would be 5.2. Original round tag would be 3.1.1 Kyle am I getting that right? That's what I'm saying drafted status might make it different. Yeah, we'll figure it out So yeah, we'll see if anybody wants to bring him in I it's such a deep running back class in the draft Yeah, I look the Steelers are not
Starting point is 00:11:44 right now on offense. It's kind of a demoralizing picture to me. You have two free agent running backs. You have two free agent quarterbacks. You have one wide receiver, which I don't think it's even mentioned in the news yet, but there's the talk of George Pickens holding in. And you know, George Pickens has been a boisterous fellow.
Starting point is 00:12:07 If anyone's gonna hold in, it's George Pickens. So yeah, it just feels like they could, they could commit to the same level of kind of fantasy football and NFL football malaise on offense, or you could rebuild the whole thing. You could bring in a different quarterback and NFL football malaise on offense, or you could rebuild the whole thing. You could bring in a different quarterback and inject some excitement, but right now it feels weird.
Starting point is 00:12:30 All right, we have news from the Bengals, this is Combine Buzz, but the Bengals, their own executive, Duke Tobin, says that Jamar Chase will, quote, be the number one highest-paid non-QB in the NFL, which is what he wanted to be last year. Yeah, the Bengals committed pretty big whoopsadoozles. The T. Higgins won last year, I get it, as a franchise,
Starting point is 00:12:57 you're not sure you wanna commit to this guy who's been good on the field, but is he worth the money, he keeps getting hurt a lot. Jamar Chase, on the other hand hand was, what are you doing? You're going, like, unless Jamar Chase plays this year and has a career ending injury, you're gonna back the truck up, you're gonna give him all that cash.
Starting point is 00:13:17 And when you wait a year, now that cash has increased. Let me think for a second. Okay. Help me work through this and tell me why I'm stupid. If you wait on Jamar Chase a year, and yes, you're paying him a more significant per year salary, yes, but you didn't pay it to him last year, right? So you spread out the savings. No, it would have been an additional.
Starting point is 00:13:37 His fifth, whatever contract he was on, it would have been additional years on that. But what you are doing is you're getting a year on the back end at today's rate. That you would have had to renegotiate another long term deal with them at the end of this contract at tomorrow's rate. It's one of those things where do you care, does the franchise care more about the cap number and competitiveness or about the money that they are losing
Starting point is 00:14:03 when they pay players a lot of times. So they saved money, they saved cash out the door by not paying him last year and getting it started early. But they- In the owner's pockets, they saved money, yes. But from a cap standpoint, now they're going to have a larger cap number to deal with than they would have had if they did it last year.
Starting point is 00:14:23 So then you just go back to the top and say, is this a good organization? When I say good organization, I mean is this a when at all costs, you know, what the fans want? And no, the bangles are not. I'm saying yeah the cap has gone up, which all the players know that, and all the player agents know that. They'll say you know you have more room. You're gonna give us more. He's gonna get paid so much more now. Jamar Chase 100% made more money by not getting the extension last year. But Jamar will get it.
Starting point is 00:14:53 And the conversations from Bengals officials that we're hearing from the combine, like on T. Higgins, on Hendrickson, it went from last year of them being like it's impossible we can't there's no way we can't we can't do this to now like we better get this done yeah the NFL borough is dirt is definitely helping the NFL PA you know had their annual what is it like the team grade yeah the report on yeah the report cards based upon the players
Starting point is 00:15:26 in the building, they grade a bunch of different things. I think it's like one through 10 on a million different avenues, and then they get a letter grade on those. The treatment of families, the Cincinnati Bengals, were self-graded as an F minus. Food, dining room, F. So this is, you know.
Starting point is 00:15:42 Ownership a C though, and A for the head coach, who you don't like. I don't think that the players don't like him. And I don't think he's a bad head coach, but I do think he limits them from going, he's not a great head coach. What's funny is if you just lock up those four players, Burrow locked up, Higgins, Chase, and Hendrickson,
Starting point is 00:16:03 those four players, as long as they're on that team, they will be relevant every single year. Correct. Here on out, no matter what the peripheral pieces are, genuinely, an elite pass rusher, an elite quarterback, and two elite pass catchers. I would counter-argue that by saying they had all four of those players
Starting point is 00:16:22 have awesome seasons last year, and they did not make the playoffs. No, but I did did not make the playoffs. No, but I did not say make the playoffs. Okay. I said stay relevant. Relevant. Sure.
Starting point is 00:16:30 Yeah, yeah. So they were a much better team than the record last year. They lost a bunch of one-score games, dumb, stupid games that they shouldn't have lost, and then they still missed the playoffs barely at the end of the season. It's just, you're going to make, this is the thing, the message you might send to ownership, you're going to make more money the thing, the message you might send to ownership, you're gonna make more money. Yeah, there you go. You're gonna make more money
Starting point is 00:16:48 if you have the best players on your team instead of living in the basement. Also, you have enough money. Right. You're fine, dude. You're fine, your children's, children's, children's, children's. Yeah, but what about their children?
Starting point is 00:17:01 Also fine. Okay. Also, you have literally infinite money. It is different. Win. Win for your city. It is different now to have them come out in the offseason right away and say Chase will be the number one highest paid player. There's no more negotiating in the media.
Starting point is 00:17:17 There's no more funny business. But so, I mean, the number that I'm seeing floated is averaging 40. Yes. And so last year, Justin Jefferson got his contract. And then immediately it was, OK, well, is Chase going to be slightly under? Is it going to be at it? And I'm looking at Spotrek.
Starting point is 00:17:36 Jefferson's average salary is $35. Jamar Chase is so good that I feel like I should contribute some money myself myself because he's on my fantasy team towards the money he deserves to get paid. I bet the billionaire owner would take your money. Yeah, he would. He would, absolutely. There's still constant chatter with the Rams
Starting point is 00:17:58 and what they're gonna do organizationally. At quarterback, they've given Matthew Stafford the opportunity to go out there and find either a trade or a contract type of offer that would maybe make a trade conducive just to show what his market value is. There was a New York Daily News report about, and we should talk about this, about Aaron Rodgers preferring to play for the Rams, obviously California kid, the possibility of him bringing Devonte Adams there. We talked about Adams. Adams wants to play in California. the possibility of him bringing Devontae Adams there. We talked about Adams. Adams wants to play in California.
Starting point is 00:18:25 And, you know, also them potentially being comfortable with Jimmy Garoppolo. Also, Ian Rapoport tweeting out six minutes ago. Do I need the button? Sure. Come on, man. Breaking news. Raiders minority owner Tom Brady
Starting point is 00:18:43 and the Rams quarterback Matthew Stafford ran into each other at a ski resort in Montana. Yeah. That doesn't happen. You don't randomly. Oh well, you're here too. Off the beaten path a little bit. What are the odds?
Starting point is 00:19:00 Anyways. Since I got you. Are you still playing quarterback? So, I mean, obviously he's been given permission to go and test the market, see what the value is. I think he's, I have been on record. I do not think he's going back. It's so weird.
Starting point is 00:19:17 I feel like it is so weird what the Rams are doing here. You express confidence. So the Rams won with golf and then the Rams have the established offensive operation to bring it let's kind of like the 49ers with Shanahan right you can bring players in you express confidence in if Sam Darnold was the guy you'd think he would succeed. For fantasy yes. Okay for fantasy. And as a team they will succeed, but will they, can they win a Super Bowl with Darnold? Jimmy Garoppolo was a starter. Right. I could see an NFL team, I could see Sean McVeigh believing
Starting point is 00:19:52 that what they have in Jimmy Garoppolo would be fine. Well, that's what's been reported is that they are confident in Jimmy Garoppolo as their starter if they need to be. And so then Rodgers and Garoppolo, maybe they view, look Stafford's 37. He'll be 38. Like this is not gonna, no matter what we're having this conversation at some point soon, it's just a matter of whether the Rams want to spend 50 million dollars on Matthew Stafford for a couple of years or they want to spend it elsewhere on the team and rebuild and reframe the organization. And the best teams do figure out a way to turn over the quarterback. The 49ers have done it three or four times while winning.
Starting point is 00:20:28 I just buy into it and I don't think the circus around Stafford, which it is, it's not all coming from him, but his circle, it makes a lot of noise and press. And it is nasty dynasty season. Speaking of Jimmy Garoppolo, you should go see if he's on your waiver wire, because he's not on ours. Of course I picked him up. You know what? Why would you not pick up McMay?
Starting point is 00:20:59 He used to be on my team in that league. And then he became a backup. And look, Jimmy Garoppolo, I mean, I bet. The odds are not with you. I bet we're talking low percentage odds. But right now, this is when you've got to be making those small, low percentage odds of moves. Tell you who you don't need to pick up, Gronk.
Starting point is 00:21:18 Well, we'll talk about that in just a second. We'll take a break. We'll be right back with some more news. Performing theaters March 14th. Stop sitting on your Aeroplan points and get big savings. So you can be somewhere you actually want to be, like on a beach. Right now you can save up to 25% in Aeroplan points when you book a trip to one of 180 plus Air Canada destinations worldwide. So stop sitting on your next trip and start saving on one. Don't miss out. Your chance to save in points ends February 23rd.
Starting point is 00:22:07 Book at aircanada.com. Condition supply. Well, we'll be talking about another tight end here in a second, but Jason, before the break, you mentioned- There was just a, it was floating around that Grok, Gronk was- Grok is AI. Yes. That Rob Gronk was. Gronk is AI. Yes. That Rob Gronkowski was training for a return.
Starting point is 00:22:29 It's a different kind of AI, man. That he was training for a return to the NFL. And then he put those rumors to bed. Gronk, can we get Gronk AI? Oh, it's Gronk A2, tell me about this. Yo soy fiesta. I don't know exactly. Gronk AI.
Starting point is 00:22:46 Google it. So yeah, no Gronk returned but- At the very least when the voice portion of Gronk needs to have a Gronk- Version? Yeah, just let him do the talking. Chiefs updates from general manager Brett Veach anticipating Travis Kelce back and playing in 2025.
Starting point is 00:23:06 They also reported that he had been dealing with a big sickness, illness before the Super Bowl. Yeah. I don't know how I could. What about during the season? I don't know how I could keep that, genuinely, I don't know how I could keep it under wraps if it were me.
Starting point is 00:23:18 I've thought about this. Like there have been times where you hear that a player has had an injury that they played through. I think I am too weak that I would want the world to know immediately why I sucked everyone is that way if Kelsey but you sucked in the Super Bowl I'd be like yeah I had the flu no you can't say it you have to go to the because everyone has to talk after the game you show up and just just Kleenex balled up in your hands you're like that's you that, Hachoo, Hachoo.
Starting point is 00:23:47 That's the only way you can do it. Cause if you come out and you're like, I'm making no excuses. We won't know officially until March 14th. The roster bonus. The way that this story has moved around with Kelsey is also super weird. The way that he came out and talked about it and then yesterday or two days ago, whenever it was, you had the report that, no, we heard, we knew right away that he came out and talked about it and then yesterday or two days ago whenever it was you had the report that no we heard we knew right
Starting point is 00:24:08 away that he was coming back it was fired up. I still don't think we have a real answer yet. Yeah March 14th is the start of the new league year and the last day to remove him from the roster before he earns eleven and a half million in a roster bonus. And the Kansas City Chiefs also said they would like to look to get Hollywood Brown back. Which is the same phrase they said the entire year. They hope to get him back. When Hollywood was on the field, their offense was better.
Starting point is 00:24:37 There was, I don't know if you watched the comments from General Manager Chris Ballard. I watched it, just talking about the Colts quarterback room last offseason was a lot of Anthony Richardson discussions about his potential for fantasy. It didn't work out. And the team is talking about Chris Ballard is talking about an open competition at quarterback with a quarterback they bring in and Richardson. You know, he gave a lot of credit to Richardson saying that look, he's not dancing around the fact he wasn't good enough, then he needs to get to work, yada
Starting point is 00:25:09 yada. So I think it's the right way to do business. Sometimes you worry about hurting the confidence of a player, but in today's NFL, you don't have time for that. You know, they benched Bryce Young. If you're the dude dude if you're good enough Richardson got benched right? It's like if you are going to overcome adversity and be a great NFL quarterback Me putting you in an open competition isn't going to ruin that. It's just not it's impossible that
Starting point is 00:25:41 You could have been that great, but I said, you know I I made it a competition you failed to win the job because you would have been so great if you just were gifted it. My god, Trey Lance. I was going to bring him up. That's exactly right. The 49ers, they invested the number three pick in Trey Lance and they just said, yeah, that's not the guy. I want to win football games. That's my goal. My goal is not to justify our picks. Our goal is to make the best picks we can,
Starting point is 00:26:08 train them the best we can, and put the best product on the field. Falcons have come out and said that Kirk Cousins will remain with the team for the foreseeable future. I don't know if that's a leverage comment from them. Yeah, you do. We don't have good offers yet. Yeah, you know if that's a leverage comment.
Starting point is 00:26:25 But the offers are contingent on basically cousins maybe being willing to lose some money. So like you have to basically tell Kirk Cousins through the media, yeah, we'll keep you as a backup. And if you like that, you'll get paid well. I think right now, there is still hope that a team would take on the entirety of Kirk Cousins' contract.
Starting point is 00:26:46 That they would look at that and say, we need a quarterback, we don't have one. If the Raiders look at Kirk Cousins and say, yeah, well, if he was on the market, we would pay him that. No one would. I agree, I don't think they would, but I think that's still the hope right now.
Starting point is 00:27:01 Is that a team that just- For the Falcons? Yes, the Falcons just hope that someone will trade for him and take on his contract. That's why you can't go out and say we're actively willing to trade. Exactly. Yeah, he's on the books for a cool 27.5 and then 35.35 for the next three years.
Starting point is 00:27:20 I feel like that's not insanely outrageous for a quarterback. For a starter? Yeah, for a starting quarterback? No, for a start, well. That's what I'm talking about, for insanely outrageous for a quarterback. For a starter? Yeah, for a starting quarterback? No, for a start. That's what I'm talking about, for a team to acquire him. For a... Well, his cap hits 40, 57, 57.
Starting point is 00:27:33 Ooh, that's a little spicy. So I was just talking the base salary, not the, that was just what the base is. But yeah, he's on the books for 40, 57, and 57. They could get out with 35 dead cap in 2026, so after next year. But it's, and he's 37. And other teams know that the Falcons are in a position
Starting point is 00:27:54 where you just can't have, you can't pay for that for a backup quarterback. So just hold out. This'll be a game of chicken that lasts too long. Trey McBride, a priority for the Cardinals in terms of extending Trey McBride, I think we all expect and know this to be the fact. That is the correct thing to do.
Starting point is 00:28:10 Saw that crazy stat about Kyler Murray. He's 84% passer between the hashes, middle of the field. Completion percentage. Completion percentage, yeah, 84% passer. Number one in the NFL towards the interior of the field. Trey McBride, Mike, you brought it up. That's a lot. That's his zone. That's a lot of why. towards the interior of the field. Trey McBride, Mike, you brought it up. That's a lot.
Starting point is 00:28:25 That's his zone. That's a lot of why. And I think that's it by way of news, unless you guys had anything else that popped up, Mr. Watch Alerts over there. I will keep looking at all times to break news. Okay, thank you. coaching carousel alright well the revolving door of head coaches offensive coordinators every
Starting point is 00:28:55 year makes a big impact on fantasy football production last episode we talked about the seven teams with head coaching and OC changes happening Bears Cowboys Jags Raiders Patriots and Jets. Today we will kind of conclude that discussion and talk about teams with offensive coordinator changes only. That would be the Browns, Lions, Texans, Eagles, 49ers, Seahawks, and Buccaneers. So I don't know if you wanna go through them one by one or if there's one or two names on there that stand out to you, but I think we could start with Detroit.
Starting point is 00:29:33 We could talk about Detroit losing. I think that's the big story. Ben Johnson, because you're talking about the team with the number one, the number one scoring offensive points per game, number two in yards per game. I mean, I could read through all the metrics, their top five and basically everything
Starting point is 00:29:45 on the offensive side of the football. And Ben Johnson took his assistant as well over with him. So they're losing a lot from an offensive coaching standpoint and they're bringing in John Morton, who is coming over, he worked with the Lions a couple of years ago. 2022. And so, and then he you know upgraded and
Starting point is 00:30:08 Changed teams went to the Broncos worked with Sean Payton for a couple of years and now after losing You know your two top offensive coaches. They are brought this man back I mean I think all of us would look at the offense and probably expect some sort of regression, even small, if Ben Johnson was back, just because they were. They were outrageous. It's hard to stay at the tippy top, although we would have a lot of confidence in them.
Starting point is 00:30:32 How do you feel about this move, Mike, with Morton taking over, the consistency of offensive weapons, right? You're not rebuilding from the ground up on all your pieces and offensive system. Yeah, I mean, you have, you should have a strong foundation, but I think there should be concerns.
Starting point is 00:30:52 Like, Amon Ra, that's fine. I'm a big Jameson fan. Like, this doesn't worry you at all for Jameson Williams? I mean, I guess this theoretically could be better for Jamison Williams of like if they get him more involved in the target sheriff because they already have Ben Johnson already had his ways. I think it's more about whether you believe this team for fantasy purposes I don't care if they're number one but is this a team that could potentially drop
Starting point is 00:31:20 out of the top 10 in terms of offensive efficiency effectiveness scoring? scoring. I don't think that's going to happen in Detroit under Dan Campbell's watch. I don't think so, but it's like the David Montgomery would be the biggest question mark. I do think his role could diminish. Yeah, does his role diminish a little bit, especially with how good the team looks when it's just a mere Gibbs, but on top of that, if they're not going to score, I think they scored like 50-something touchdowns this year. If you're not going to do that, then that's
Starting point is 00:31:51 where Montgomery takes the hit. That's his superpower. Yes. David Montgomery is great for fantasy football because he gets a touchdown every game. Every single game he gets a touchdown. And so if you're going to end up losing 10, 12 touchdowns over the course of the season, which is realistic,
Starting point is 00:32:04 I would agree with you. That's the player that needs to be the scariest as far as redrafting them the way that we did last year. Oh, I mean, I'm sorry. So it was 70 total, I'm looking on NFL.com right now, 70 total touchdowns for the Detroit Lions in 2024. And that number was, let me get 2023 real quick, that was 58 in 23. Yeah, I mean I look at this offense the way I would look at Tampa Bay, like what they did last year, losing Dave Canales, the name that everybody wanted,
Starting point is 00:32:35 and their offense pretty much hummed along because you have consistency and strength at the quarterback position, you know, the head coach, you know, we talked about how you lose your offensive coordinators when they do well, but I am not as worried, I guess. I can see the Monty argument, but that one is also, that one's there in general to me
Starting point is 00:32:54 because of Gibbs entering his prime, he showed he could handle a full workload, what he brings to the table on the offensive side and Monty's injuries. I would have been a little bit heavier Gibbs anyways than Monte. This is a great offense, but I do think it will take a hit. The same way that we saw a couple years ago, the Philadelphia Eagles, who when they lost their offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator in their Super Bowl run three years ago, they go to the next season,
Starting point is 00:33:27 it's like, well, they still have a great offensive line, they still have Jalen Hurts, they still have AJ Brown and Devontae Smith, and then the second half of that season, the wheels really fell off offensively for them, and then they replaced the coordinators again. So there's two case studies then. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Tampa Bay is an example
Starting point is 00:33:44 of an offense that even improved sure yeah I mean, I think they had it going right and I think part of that is because they they added weapons the first half of the Season they had Chris Godwin back and healthy and then Bucky Irving was added to the offense So we'll have to look at the personnel moves and what they do in the offseason But they're not going to be bad. Even that season, that down season for the Eagles, Jalen Hurts was still a top quarterback. AJ Brown was still a top wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:34:14 Devontae Smith took a little bit of a hit the second half of the year. But I think it's correct to just say that the player you're most worried about is the most touchdown reliant player. Monty right now is the lowest of the five, not unsurprising in... No, he should be. ...of their core five fantasy options, especially in underdog. But Gibbs, Amon Ra, Jamison, Laporta, and Monty, Monty being a pick behind Laporta already,
Starting point is 00:34:42 that'll be an interesting one to watch. Another team with a lot of fantasy-relevant talent that changed offensive coordinators, Houston. Like I could- Oh man, this one is- You know, Houston, Nick Kaley, 42 years old, coming over from the Rams. You like the sound of that.
Starting point is 00:35:00 Bobby Solwick driving everyone crazy last year after being a darling during the first year of CJ Stroud. But this was a team, just to give you a lay of the land, 19th in points per game. Right? They passed, they were top 10 in passing percentage, so they put it into the hands of their quarterback. Now they lost to Fond Diggs, they lost Tank Dell. They didn't get production outside of Nico Collins who was hurt. So, I think it's interesting with the offensive coordinator change, with how bad they were as an offense, you know, was this a perfect brew of just a bad year with all of that mixing together?
Starting point is 00:35:39 You also factor in, you know, the Houston Texans, their final offensive line grade from PFF was 29th. And not that, I mean, the Bengals. It felt like it. The Bengals are 30th. So it's not that a quarterback behind a terrible offensive like can't succeed. It is just certainly harder.
Starting point is 00:35:58 And CJ Stroud, for as all the accolades we were wanting to give him heading into year two. He's not where Joe Burrow is at this point of his career. So it's just, I think that the line was the bigger problem for me and just the, I mean, the crazy success rate that CJ Stroud had as rookie or going down the field that was gonna regress. But it went to a place where we didn't dare project because it would be too sad to project that much of a regression so I think that it's it comes down to that like
Starting point is 00:36:33 there they got some young guys on the line can they actually improve they did not last year but it can we have an offseason and a new coordinator figure out what to do with the talent. I'm excited for the change. You know, CJ Stroud is a talented quarterback and they wasted so many second downs last year. It was frustrating to watch. Second long, hand the ball to Joe Mixon.
Starting point is 00:36:57 Second longer, hand the ball to Joe Mixon. What are you doing? I mean, the second down, they were 28. A lot of wasted plays there. They were dead last in play success rate on second downs in the second half of the year. This is, and that kind of crushed them. It just killed drives.
Starting point is 00:37:12 So play calling wise, we don't know that it's an upgrade. It could be a downgrade, but I'm just happy that they're being proactive and that they looked back at the season and said unacceptable. Yeah, they had the five weeks with Dell Collins and Diggs together. Those were weeks in which Mixon was also very good before he got hurt. Then you had Nico sideline with the hamstring. Then you lost Diggs to an ACL in week eight. Then you lost Tank Dell to the knee injury in December. And you never had any type of play calling that wasn't
Starting point is 00:37:46 predictable that was able to overcome the injuries I think there's a lot to be excited about I agree and this team needs to make a splash at wide receiver though they got to do something oh yeah you you do yeah it might be in the draft that's the but you, they went from a position where some people wanted to make them the best trio in football to Nico Collins standing alone at the end of the street. The Eagles, new offensive coordinator again.
Starting point is 00:38:17 And they did what they- Price of success. Yeah, they did what they did the last time, which is they hired, not the previous last time, but the last time they went to the Super Bowl and lost their offensive and defensive coordinators they hired from within it didn't work last time hopefully it works this time I mean you just you can't know we don't have any knowledge on you know even what his role was so I don't know I just you got a view it kind of as same old same old
Starting point is 00:38:42 for next year so long as the tush push is allowed? Why, and if you break it down player by player like we did with the Lions, who would you be more or less concerned with? Saquon had a pretty special season, right? He's gonna be drafted as high as you can draft somebody in fantasy and had a prolific 2,000 yard type of season with a lot of touchdowns from a distance, right? So I look at Saquon and say, look, nobody in the right mind should doubt him, but you could also look at the numbers and say,
Starting point is 00:39:09 like, you don't do that every year. And if you change the offense, in some ways, you could regress a little bit in proportion to where he's drafted. Yeah, I mean, he wasn't involved in the passing game a lot and had a ton of touchdowns, 2,000 rushing yards. That's very difficult to repeat that. The change of offensive coordinator could hurt.
Starting point is 00:39:28 This is the first head coach, Nick Sirianni, to have four different OCs in a four season span for one team. And two Super Bowl appearances, one ring on the finger. So I think the price, like you said, the price of success. Some of these, I don't know how much it really has an impact. Like San Francisco 49ers, they've got one of the Kube brothers. There's two new cubes at OC this year.
Starting point is 00:39:56 Those would be the Kubiaks, right? Yes, so they got Klay. You almost made me say Kubiak. Is there not three of them? Well there are three brothers, but there's only- So they're cubed. Oh Cubiac. Cubiac. Because you call them cubes. Is there not three of them? Well there are three brothers, but there's only- So they're cubed. Oh my goodness. Wait, there's three brothers?
Starting point is 00:40:10 There are. There are three brothers. One I believe is a scout for the Dallas Cowboys. Clint, Klay, and Kline? Or is that who you're talking about? Yeah, scout for the Dallas Cowboys. Clint. We got a real Kardashian situation going on here.
Starting point is 00:40:23 Clint, Kline, and K Clay, all with a K. No. Clay Kubiak is the offensive coordinator. Wait, they're all with a K? For the 49ers. Yes, it's Kardashians. Clint Kubiak is the offensive coordinator that was with the Broncos at one point in time.
Starting point is 00:40:40 Hmm. OK. Yeah. Yeah, so. Personally, I would have spelled one with a C you choose you But yeah, so clay and line is the one with the the Cowboys. Yeah, so You've got and then Gary You know what I mean? Like that's the dad dad. Yeah, there's no there's no K there
Starting point is 00:41:02 So they've been famous for their run scheme. The Kubiak run scheme has always been great, which is really the Shanahan run scheme. It's succeeded most places that they've gone to. For the 49ers, it's mostly irrelevant. I think it's an upgrade for them. It's nice for them to have someone in house, but they haven't even had an OC since McDonald's left. This is simply adding
Starting point is 00:41:25 another person to help with scheme and planning. Wait, since who left? McDonald's. McDonald's. Mike McDonald. Mike McDonald. Mike McDonald, now you got me. See what, that's what I thought.
Starting point is 00:41:37 Yeah, that's the plan. Mike, he is ruining this name. Yes, I know. Anyway, since he's been gone, they haven't had an offensive coordinator. You can't just call everybody McDonald's. You know that, right? I only call one man McDonald's.
Starting point is 00:41:49 No, you call many people McDonald's. I only call the head coach of the Miami Dolphins McDonald's. So wait, you call McDaniel's McDonald's. But then McDonald's in Seattle is just McDonald's. Yeah, because he's not plural. So there's a plural. OK. We do a little too much with names.
Starting point is 00:42:07 I'm gonna go out there and say that. Nicknames. How dare you. The Kubiaks. Yeah. The Kubiaks. They did too much. They, that's on there.
Starting point is 00:42:16 Sorry, Clay Kubiak. So Clay is added. He's gonna fall back behind Shanahan. Added to the 49ers. Clint. He's gonna be helpful. I think he can help their offense, but he's not gonna drastically change it because that's Shanahan's offense.
Starting point is 00:42:26 But Clint is a massive change. This is, we talked about the run scheme and what he can bring to the table. The Seattle Seahawks won 10 games and they made a shift. They've got a defensive minded head coach. I think they want to run the ball a little bit more. If you look last season, they were number five in passing percentage, number 28 in rushing percentage. So like that college itch, that college game that you know they brought in as their former OC Ryan Grubb, I think they just passed too much for the liking of a defensive minded head coach. So now you bring in a Kubiak who has a great run scheme.
Starting point is 00:43:05 I think this is great news for Kenneth Walker. I am in agreement. And maybe not so great news for like DK Metcalfe, aging coming off of a down season. Like Metcalfe, it is tough, like volume-wise, yes, but it's like, can we get Metcalfe back to where he was thriving, where he's like, he's an efficiency big play type of a player.
Starting point is 00:43:31 Yeah, I guess I've grown a little fatigued on relying on offensive coaching or offensive changes to make me excited about Ken Walker. I think the only thing that can stop Ken Walker is Ken Walker. Yes, that has been the case. It's gonna be soft tissue. Which he is? Yes, that has been the case. It's going to be soft tissue. Which he is. He's great at it. Yeah, he's willing to stop himself from
Starting point is 00:43:51 frequently a great season. So yeah, they didn't like the Grubb experience. 20th in points per game, Metcalfe's regression. We'll see if Tyler Lockett's back. If he is, it'll be on the contract adjustment. The verbiage has not been strong on that. Tampa's doing it again. And really proud to let you all know out there. This is the shining gem. We said it's names, man. This is a name show. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:21 Josh Grizzard, the Grizz. Jay Grizz himself. I don't make this up, man. And you know what? He's 34 years old. He's way too young for the job, but the team, they did it because they knew we needed Jay Grizz to be an office coordinator. It gets better, Andy. Josh Grizzard. Tell me more. Was born in Lizard Lick, North Carolina. We got Josh Grizzard from Lizard. Wait, he's a Grizzler was born in Lizard Lick, North Carolina. We got Josh Grizzard from Lizard. Wait, he's a Grizzliz?
Starting point is 00:44:50 He's the Grizzler. The Grizzler. From Lizard Lick. The Grizzler from Lizard. Hi, what's your name? Josh Grizzard. Where were you from? Lizard.
Starting point is 00:45:00 Lizard Lick. I'm the Grizzard from Lizard. Lizard Lick. This is prime off season content. Yeah, this is good stuff. I'm looking at Deuces Alley. They love every minute of this. This is what you're here for.
Starting point is 00:45:11 Who's not loving hearing about Josh Grizzard from Lizard Lake? So they went from. Duval. From Duval to Lizard Lick, baby. It's a lot of fun. It's not like we don't have lizard drops. Oh, we do. I mean, we've. We got cold blooded. It's not like we don't have lizard drops. Oh, we do. I mean, we've got cold blooded.
Starting point is 00:45:28 It's not like we haven't been around the- He can't be the lizard. We haven't been around the block. He's from there. I don't know, man. I think if you're from Lizard Lick and you become the offensive coordinator of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, you are now the king of Lizard Lick. Well then I can agree with.
Starting point is 00:45:42 Well wouldn't that make him the lizard king? Hold hold on wait I'm trying to get some popular Kyle I need a population deep dive on lizard lick it is an unincorporated town what does that mean can we do that what do you mean it's what do you do you like do you like to hire Baker Mayfield gets the deal with another OC. He proved he could do it. Fourth in points per game after losing Canales. Third in yards per game. This is one of the reasons why I don't know
Starting point is 00:46:12 if I believe in Liam Cohen, genuinely. It's just because sometimes- I've got some reasons I don't believe in him. Sometimes- Ball. Thank you. You just come into the right situation, right, Adam Gaze? Yeah. And sometimes you have like, how do you know?
Starting point is 00:46:31 But who would have thought that the right situation was Baker Mayfield in 2025? Well, I mean, I don't know. I would say the people that watched him play the year before. Why did Dave Canals get a job? The nice thing here about Josh Grizzard replacing Liam Cohen, it's in-house, they know the system, it's also the third change. It's like the 800th change in 800 years for Baker Mayfield. He is very used to that. I don't think I will look at this offensive coordinator change at all with any predictability or any change in how I would view the players on the roster
Starting point is 00:47:09 Yeah, so I mean now by the way unofficial population of lizard lick is 1300 people also There's not a lot of people that come from Liz you rule over to 1300 people and say it's not a lot Yeah, well, I guess making them all happen in March 1998 the small town received publicity when Nintendo first released the Nintendo 64 game Yoshi's Story there with the name of the host town reflecting the Nintendo character Yoshi's ability to extend his tongue over a long distance.
Starting point is 00:47:37 Thank you. What is happening? This was a top five quarterback, top 15 running back, top 12 wide receiver offense. I am so done talking about Baker Mayfield. That's all lizard lick from here on out. If I was J. Grizz, Josh Grizzard is his real name. If I was Josh Grizzard, I would come in
Starting point is 00:47:55 and do as little as possible to change anything. Oh yeah, oh I would just, yeah, it'd be cash and checks. Just cash and checks. He is gonna have to call plays. The one thing that is concerning or uplifting for the Liam Cohen side is simply that because it's the defensive head coach, you're now the play caller.
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Starting point is 00:49:09 ["The Daily Show Theme"] Before you get into the mailbag... Oh, okay, so... You better be reporting on this. Uh, I don't think I'm reporting on whatever it is you think, because I have no idea what you think. Um, I'm just saying, we did not mention that the Browns also got a new offensive coordinator.
Starting point is 00:49:24 Oh, who... Get out of here. Tommy Reese replacing Ken Dorsey, but it's really Stefanski's gonna call the plays now So it's reverting back to what it used to be. I meant Brooks told us there's a band called King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard Now let me ask you this who's the lead singer because I swear I'm going to freak out if you tell me it's Josh Grizzard. I don't know. I will freak out. I don't I can't confirm nor deny it so you're gonna freak out? If it's Josh Grizzard wow. I think they would be freak that would be King Grizzard not King Gizzard. Okay fair. Goodbye everybody. No we got some mailbag. No, we got some mailbag. Mailbag. See, I don't know what's more disturbing, the fact that that name exists as a band or the fact that Brooks knows that it exists.
Starting point is 00:50:15 Brooks, did you know them or did you just stumble into them? Yeah, say hi Brooks by the way. The people, they need to hear from Brooks. Are you still on the space station? Oh, are you on the space station? I don't care if he's on the space station. Hey everybody. Yeah, still on the space station? Oh, are you on the space station? I don't care if he's on the space station. Hey, everybody. Oh, hey.
Starting point is 00:50:26 Yeah, still on another planet. Sounds a lot closer, though. He might be in Australia with King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. All right, first question. Coming in from Lewis on Instagram, which players do you estimate to have the biggest drop in ADP this year?
Starting point is 00:50:42 So I saw this earlier in the name I was going to bring up. We just talked about him. But I saw this earlier in the name I was gonna bring up, we just talked about him, but I think DK Metcalf will take a tumble. He's getting older, I think people will be less excited about this offense, and more excited about the JSN portion of it. So he is a player that I think next year
Starting point is 00:50:59 will be significantly lower than where he was this season. Kelsey. Oh yeah. Pittman. Oh man, do Oh, yeah. Pittman. Oh, man. Do you even draft Michael Pittman? Those are a couple of names. Monty might end up losing some ground.
Starting point is 00:51:15 Trying to think of some other. Marvel Drop. Tony Pollard compared to last year. I feel like that name, unless you're really intentional about talking about it. Pauler had a good year. I bet there's no one that won a championship with him on the roster.
Starting point is 00:51:34 My memory, Tony Pauler was the RB22. Like the whole first half. I mean, if people don't want to draft Tony Pauler, that's great, I'll draft him. I know where a player has fallen, at least in underdog off-season drafts, Kyron Williams. I don't understand it. He's the 35th pick.
Starting point is 00:51:52 We don't want to believe in Kyron ever. Dude, I am fully in. If Kyron stays anywhere remotely close to that. That was underdog? Yeah. Yeah, I think when we brought him up the other day day He just doesn't profile on underdog the way he he'll be a first-round pick. You know what I mean in redraft when we did our Little first round mock. He was right. He was in yeah, I think it was cuz of me Why you don't know could have been could have if you passed on maybe we would have taken him fair
Starting point is 00:52:24 All right, we did not report on any Mark Andrews news, but there have been rumblings from everywhere. Yeah. Instagram question from Nathan wants to know after the roller coaster season, which it was, what do we do with Mark Andrews in Dynasty? He basically disappeared, then reappeared, scored a bunch of touchdowns I
Starting point is 00:52:46 Don't think it was a great fantasy experience But it if you did stick with him and you had him and you could play him down the stretch you were fine What do you do with him in dynasty Jason? You're a dynasty manager of Mark Andrews? I am I think you just have to hold them and and keep rolling them out there This is the type of player where you're going to hold until the end. I don't believe you're gonna get a lot for him. Yeah, I agree. And if you're not gonna get a lot for him,
Starting point is 00:53:10 he's gonna score touchdowns. And even if he is traded, because you know, there's rumblings or goes to a different team, he's going to get a lot of touchdowns. Unfortunately, that's not what you'd love to bank on. You'd love to say, oh, he's getting 150 targets, and I can have consistency every week. But he was the tight know, he was the tight end five this year and that's despite the first month of the season, basically not playing football. It looked like, I mean,
Starting point is 00:53:32 at least two gooses within that stretch. So, um, he has not aged out of tight end. Um, you know, tight ends, you can be 33, 34, 32. He's's 29 not this one though. I don't think oh, I Don't think this one. I I he is he's aging differently to me This is not the same explosive player that like we saw Kelsey maintain a level of Performance consistently through this age Mark Andrews did not look like the same player to me last year at all He's still gonna be a red zone threat, but he didn't look the same you can't disappear for that many games Yeah, I mean I I and they here's a here's a quote from the the Ravens general manager that you can comment on as well He'll be in our ring of honor someday. We'll figure it all out on the roster
Starting point is 00:54:18 Whoo, that's a new word Machinations machinations machinations. Yeah machinations over the coming weeks, but there's no bigger Mark Andrews fan than me. He's been a blessing to have on the team. There was another comment earlier in the week insinuating maybe they were saying goodbye, but go ahead. Yeah, I mean, I want to go back and look at some late season film because I don't remember him slowing down. Now, I definitely, obviously for fantasy football purposes, he slowed down. The targets weren't there. Isaiah likely stepped up.
Starting point is 00:54:49 Say Flowers got better. They started, you know, Bateman all of a sudden was an important part of the offense. So schematically, I don't think he's as important. You know, it used to be basically him as the primary target where he's getting, you know, 154 targets in a season, whereas last year he had 69 targets. I don't know, like I don't think he lost it, I just don't think they needed him the same way. Ta-da.
Starting point is 00:55:15 Targets are earned, my brother. I agree targets are earned, but this is also an offense that was, you know. They needed him. They didn't, I mean, they needed him to catch the overtime tying pass, sure, but they did need him. What do you think's more likely though? I mean, like, Rashad Bateman's been there for a while.
Starting point is 00:55:32 Why wasn't he a bigger focal point in previous years? Well, Rashad Bateman's been injured in all the previous years. Isaiah Likely was coming into year two, and obviously Mark Andrews is not getting faster and younger as he gets older, right? My point is, you know, Lamar Jackson threw, what did he throw, like 40 touchdowns, 41 touchdowns. So this was an offense. It was just humming.
Starting point is 00:55:57 And they were humming wherever Lamar wanted to go. And it used to be he had to go to Mark Andrews. Now he doesn't have to. But the point of going back to the originals, now he doesn't have to. But the point of going back to the original question, I don't think anyone's trading something valuable or even as valuable as the amount of fantasy points Mark Andrews will score the rest of his career. So to me he is just a hold on to him.
Starting point is 00:56:17 Yeah, I would hold on to him and it is just a reminder, I mean he was coming off of a broken ankle, a very similar injury to which Tony Pollard was coming off of for two years ago and Tony Pollard was very disappointing that year. And then I thought he was a much better player for the Titans than he was on Dallas two years ago. So I think that is a factor. I agree that he's not elite anymore, but if I got him in dynasty, I'm just gonna hold on.
Starting point is 00:56:52 61% snap share last year for Mark Andrews, which will be something you'll have to factor in. Do you roll the dice? He's the Montgomery of tight ends. You need the touchdown. But if you get it, you're really happy and he does it a lot. So where will Drake London be drafted in 2025 this question from Dane super duper high yeah he'll be a second rounder back of the first or second yeah I don't
Starting point is 00:57:16 disagree with that people are gonna be real hot for but are you in on that that price I mean I'm in on Drake London I'm in on the talent. It looks like, like, I don't know that we saw enough of Michael Pennex last year to make any really conclusive decisions on, is it going to work? But what did work was Pennex was all about, I'm just going to throw the ball to my number one guy. So for fantasy, we like that.
Starting point is 00:57:42 Yeah. Drake London right now is the wide receiver nine. Let me ask you some names around him and see on underdog and see if you would rather have Drake London or this player Would you rather draft Drake London or AJ Brown? AJ Brown I'm on the London side. I mean, I think I go London there Drake London or Lad McConkey London Drake London or Tyreek Hill? London. Drake London or Brian Thomas? Thomas. Okay so that's basically where he is at ADP. He's ahead of Lad McConkey and Tyreek Hill. Fair valued. He's right next to AJ Brown and he's
Starting point is 00:58:19 behind Brian Thomas and Malik Neighbors. Do you foresee this year being a little different with the way the rookie wide receivers coming in may land? I mean, because we got a great running back class. It will be different. There's no Malik Neighbors or Marv who are going to like T-Mac out of U of A, even if he gets drafted as a top 10 NFL pick, we're not going, yeah, high third round pick for this rookie.
Starting point is 00:58:46 They will slide back, which is going to be great. The ADP, when you have to risk so much ADP on a rookie wide receiver, sometimes you get Malik, sometimes you get Jamar, sometimes you get Marv. Where would be the best destination like including draft capital So if you look at the first round, you know, like the absolute best landing spot I'm you know, would you be excited about going to New England because you believe in no, okay So I had what you're popping my head right away. I don't know if it's a good. Okay, it was Green Bay Green Bay Okay, so if if you made it to Green Bay Green Bay is 23, which in some mocks
Starting point is 00:59:24 Yeah, he Mac has fallen into these 20s all over Green Bay, okay, so if you made it to Green Bay, Green Bay is 23, which in some mocks, T-Mac has fallen into the 20s. I've seen them all over. But for fantasy purposes, I still feel like going there, now you're in a crowded room, it's definitely one where you can come out number one. I agree. What about Dallas?
Starting point is 00:59:39 Sure, Dallas. What about Las Vegas? Las Vegas has a desperate need, but he doesn't have a quarterback. So I mean, I. Not yet. I don't think Brady's going to be patient. No.
Starting point is 00:59:51 Brady says if Brady's going to be moving out of that cushy broadcast job, he's going to be trying to win games. So this says to me, I think Mike is correct, that I don't see any location where the combination of draft capital and landing spot opportunity quarterback can coalesce to where people are really bullish on rookie season T Mac and he is the clear bell of the ball of the rookie wide receivers coming in
Starting point is 01:00:18 it's like to me there's a He's in his own tier and that tier would be behind a lot of last year's wide receivers Even though he's number one this year. He's not as good. He's not in the tier of Malik and Marv and Brian Thomas jr So this is a guy that's probably gonna be you know sixth round Fantasy pick six seventh round if he makes it to the end of the first There's some exciting spots fantasy pick, sixth, seventh round. If he makes it to the end of the first, there's some exciting spots. The reason it even came up is you were reading
Starting point is 01:00:49 all those names around Drake London, and I was just thinking about where Drake London falls in the draft, and normally you'd have a smattering of rookies kind of working their way through and into that range, and I didn't think, like I couldn't think of any rookies ending up there. No, they won't. Like if you have a,
Starting point is 01:01:06 of the names you said, Brian Thomas and Drake London and Lad McConkey, like all those guys right now, it's hard for me to find that landing spot like you said, where I'd be like, oh, I want TMAC. Yeah, we might have like three rookie running backs in the top 20. Yep, yep. So next week we're gonna cover
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Starting point is 01:01:51 and I guess it's worth a final reminder since this is the last show before the March 1st deadline. But if you pre-order the UDK before March 1st, you will be entered to win, not wintered. No, no, no. We're getting warmer. It's already 90 degrees here. Entered to win a L wintered. No, no, no. We're getting warmer. It's already 90 degrees here. Entered to win a Lister League spotted ultimate.
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Starting point is 01:02:26 everything you want. That's a big stone. That's a big stone. If you're getting two birds. Yeah, some call it a boulder. Don't move. All right, that'll do it. Take care everybody.
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