Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Draft Tips + Hungry For More - Fantasy Football Podcast for 7/30

Episode Date: July 30, 2024

Will Joe Burrow have a big bounce back season? On today’s fantasy football podcast, training camp hype that we are hungry for more of! Plus, reactions to big contract extensions for Tua Tagovailoa and Jordan Love, and lots of fantasy football mailbag! 2024 draft decisions, keeper advice, and more! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for July 30th, 2024. 2024 ULTIMATE DRAFT KIT is available now at UltimateDraftKit.com Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Check out today's sponsors: Hungry For More presented by Uber Eats Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and prepare for your fantasy draft. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. The Fantasy Footballers Tuesday, July 30th. Mike Wright. Chillo. Jason Moore, Andy Holloway.

No, you didn't get to talk. Yeah, no. He wasn't going to let another. He heard me chill-o, and he's like, we're past this. Shut it down. You already made me endure that incredible introduction. That's me. I don't know why you two love it so much. It is funny, and I'm sure that the YouTube comments right now are saying how funny it is.

And realistic. Oh, it's, well, I mean, it's our good friend Chris. Yeah. We are happy to have you with us. This is the final July episode of the show. People know it was not AI. Right. Yes.

AI can do way better. That's true. We are here. We are excited to be with you we have a uh a lot to talk about news players getting paid some money oh yeah we have our some people not getting money we have everybody gets money unless you're a cowboy if you're a cowboy no money unless you're a cowboy. If you're a cowboy, no money for you. It's weird. It's weird, and we'll talk about it. We have our first Hungry for More segment on today's show of the year, so that'll be our quick question of the day. And, yeah, final July show, which means five days a week,

starting August 1st. Yes. Which means football is here. I believe Hall of Fame. Isn't Hall of Fame game this week? Yeah. That's weird. Not that anybody plays.

No. Or watches it. Yeah, but it's football. It's the symbolic start. But that means two weeks from now is preseason. That is true. So, you know, we're going to have a bunch of questions we answer on today's show, try to help you win your league.

But, Jason, I am curious now that we're going into this new season, as someone that had to be in the presence of two champions for the entire summer, like what is the kind of mental hurdles you've had to overcome? How do you prepare for a season of us being the champion through the whole year? And then, like, what adjustments have you had to make? Because I know there's a lot of people out there that might be more like you and didn't win it this year. Didn't win a championship this last year.

Yeah, I mean, it is tough, but I am a man of the people, and everyone knows that only one person wins in your league. And I think what you do, if you are in my position, is you just look at history and you say well well self did you win a championship in one of our main three leagues in 10 consecutive years and then you're like okay yeah i'm fine thank you andy for bringing that up kind of backfired a little bit i don don't know. It sounds like some real hindsight analysis going on over here. We have a live show at the end of August in Los Angeles.

That is Saturday, August 24th at the Palace Theater. You can go to ballerslive.com for tickets. We have the Ultimate Draft Kit available right now. And you don't need to wait any longer. August is almost here and it's time to get ready for your draft. And I'm excited.

We're doing our League of Record draft right before the kickoff of the first game, which I realized, see, I have a new co-manager in this league, in League of Record, and it is my son. My son is my co-manager for the first time. Then I realized I'm going to have to make him. He's going to have to miss school. Oh, wow. He's going to have to miss school to come to our League of Record draft

because we decided to do it. Dude, priorities. Good father. I mean, like it is. He is going to miss school. It is. Yeah, it is what it is, man. It is what it is.

School can kick rocks. Am I right? Yeah, man. I don't go to school. Yeah, it is what it is, man. It is what it is. School can kick rocks, am I right? Yeah, man. I don't go to school. Neither does he. Did you get the waiver signed for the 18-plus draft party? No, no. All I'm going to say is the waiver from a – he's going to find a dentist to be like, you need to cover for me.

That's what I thought you meant, too, that I would tell the school he's got a dental appointment. And then a doctor and then something else covered. The Ultimate Draft Kit available at ultimatedraftkit.com You can get the UDK or the UDK Plus. Anything else going on you guys want to talk about?

I'm famished. Alright. Welcome to Hungry for More, presented by Uber Eats. All right, we are back into Hungry for More. So it's the off season training camp has started this is the time of extrapolating big things from little videos and um we all have something that we have observed or paid attention to that we are hungry for a little more of i guess i will toss it over to jason to start this segment what are you hungry for more yeah i am hungry for more of joe burrow i want to see a haircut not the hair not not m&m halloween outfit guys yeah i mean we're all clamoring to see who gets to claim uh m&m version of joe burrow you know who's stuck with that yeah that's the one who's willing to shave who gets to claim uh Eminem version of Joe Burrow you know who's stuck with

that yeah that's the one who's willing to shave and able to shave that's you um but Joe Burrow is someone that like even when when we were preparing for this segment uh Kyle our editor was like you know he was he was besmirching him he was calling them their backup quarterback and talking about some stupid stats from last year about how he was not even as good as Jake Browning. Joe Burrow is an unbelievable top five quarterback in the NFL when healthy. And I am hungry to see that for fantasy purposes, not only for Joe Burrow, who is an absolute steal of a value right now if he's healthy, but also for Jamar Chase, for Tee Higgins.

You've got an offense here that is really, really important for fantasy football, and we are forgetting how good Joe Burrow is. We talk all the time about how hard it is to be a pocket passer, and if you're a pocket passer, we've talked about it a lot with CJ Stroud, you have benchmarks you have to hit to be valuable in fantasy football. You have to hit, you have to throw for 4,000 yards. If you're throwing for 3,500 yards, it doesn't work if you're a pocket passer. You have to throw for near 35-plus touchdowns. If you're not doing both of those things at the same time,

you're not going to be a consistent weekly asset, and certainly if you're being drafted highly, you must crush those numbers. But Joe Burrow has, you know, it's like, what's the best way to know someone can do it in the future? Well, they've done it in the past. And we forget because last year was a train wreck. Last week, last year, he started camp with a calf injury and was injured and then had the worst start imaginable in those first four weeks. He threw two total passing touchdowns. He was dead last in yards per pass attempt, dead last in completion percentage as he was working his way

back. Once he was healthy, the next five games before the thumb injury and five games, 12 touchdowns, the number one completion rate. You're like, oh yeah, that's Joe Burrow, unfortunately got injured. But look at the previous two seasons. The two seasons that are so easy to forget, even though they were just one injured season away, where he was the quarterback eight and the quarterback four. He threw for 4,600 yards and 34 touchdowns. Those are the numbers we need two years ago. Or three years ago. Two years ago was 4,475 yards and 35 passing touchdowns.

Oh, and he added 250 and five on the ground when he was the quarterback four. He's a really, really talented quarterback that we pretty much haven't seen. Last year was deleted. Maybe we lost our appetite. That is why I made him my hungry for more, because I think people have lost their appetite for Joe Burrow. It is reflected in his average draft price. You look at 2022, he was on average the 46th player taken. 2023, last season, he was the 32nd player off the board. Major bust of a season. Right now,

he's the 63rd player. Are you targeting him? I am. He is one of the few. I mean, I still prefer a mobile quarterback. So, like, my main targets go Anthony Richardson, Kyler Murray, Jaden Daniels. But of all the other quarterbacks out there, if I'm deleting the mobile rushing quarterbacks, he is the best of the pocket passer for the value, the spot, what he's done in the past, the weapons he has. And I'm hungry for more Joe Burrow.

Speaking of losing our appetites, Mike has the Broncos backfield. Yes. And I thought I was hungry for less of that backfield. So tell me why you're hungry for more of the Broncos. I guess you would call it like what, like a

sample platter that they have going on in the backfield? Yeah, you're pretty much emaciated from last year, so yeah. It's just the camp that they have going on in the backfield? You're pretty much emaciated from last year, so yeah. It's just the camp battle that is going on right now is so fascinating because there are really, really large fantasy repercussions from what happens here. We've talked about all these guys in the offseason. We're hearing more and more about each player.

We're talking Javante Williams, Audrick Estimé-Lauder, Jaleel McLaughlin, and Samajay Pirine is still on the team. And we've heard before training camp started was maybe Javante and Samajay Pirine are battling for one spot. It sounds like McLaughlin and Audrick Estime are locked into the roster. And the range of what can happen here of Javante would be wild if he's cut, but people are talking about it. All the way to, no, he's the starter for a Sean Payton offense.

And let me just read you some of the quotes. So the quote about Javante here, he's lost weight, he looks trim. And this is the coach talking about him. I thought he looked sharp today. He looked much different. His weight's down, and I'm proud of him. Look, running backs losing weight often turns into success for fantasy football. But then talking about Estimate, who wasn't like –

He needs to lose weight. Is that what you're saying? Which – Guilty as charged. Remember, Estimate is a day three pick. who what needs to lose weight is that what you're saying which dude guilty is charged remember estimate is a day three pick but he said when the draft started every once in a while there's a player you'd say when this thing's all over i'd love to have this player and fortunately we were able to get this player he's talking about audrey guesstimate and then talking about mclaughlin it's the he's here at 5 or 5 15 the morning, first one in, last one out, really commending his work ethic.

And I'm bringing all this up because the history of Sean Payton with the running backs, while last year didn't turn into a real focused fantasy production for us, Javante was running back 30 on the year, but he had 47 receptions. Meanwhile, Samaje Pirine had 50 receptions. I mean, just the two of those guys combined, like if we can get 75% of that, if Javante ends up being the main running back and he's healthy, but looking over the course of what Sean Payton has done, not just with Alvin Kamara, but in running back

fantasy points, the group, their total fantasy points, it's always incredible. And last year, when it felt bad, it was still the 10th most points for the running back position, even though it wasn't really usable. So it's just figuring out what is happening here, because if Javante is actually back and closer to the draft prospect that he was and not the guy we saw in the field last year, then you are getting an absolute steal at the running back 30. I don't know if that's the case of what will happen. And then should Javante Williams, they move on from him,

all of a sudden Andre Gaston to me is very interesting because he'll be the first and second down guy the goal line guy so there's just there is real value here and it's just it this is like reality tv to me what's happening with these three bronco running backs and i love it i can't get enough of the information about it all right i will go with uh an athletic an athletically gifted rookie in Xavier Legat of the Carolina Panthers. I am hungry to see more. I saw a little highlight of him doing an out route. Yeah, I am so excited.

Terribly thrown ball that he had to dive for. Yeah, I mean, that happens in Carolina. But Xavier Legat, the storyline that Jason has brought up with him, rookie wide receiver in Carolina, desperately in need of explosive weapons. The story has been you saw so little of the top tier Xavier Liget in college. He was one of the latest breakout-aged first-round wide receivers that we have ever seen over the last decade. When we say breakout age, we mean when did he have 20-plus percent

of the college team's receiving yards percentage and then the team's receiving touchdowns. He had one big year in South Carolina. And Brett Coleman had this thread talking about some of the things that Xavier Liget was up against throughout his adolescence, whether it was losing both of his parents, whether it was starting college and then COVID hits and your development stops, whether it was you started as a wide receiver

in high school and then your head coach decides instead of developing you as a wide receiver, we're just going to make you our quarterback and have you run for 1,800 yards as a quarterback in high school so that you don't develop as a wide receiver. He was late to that party when it came to developing the route tree and the opportunities. You saw a little bit of him in the receiver documentary with Debo Samuel, who comes from South Carolina as well and kind of brought Liga under his wing. This is, I think, an absolutely athletically overwhelming talent in Carolina. And it would be easy to say, well, he went to a place that didn't produce a lot on offense last year.

But I have a lot of confidence in Dave Canales and putting people in the right position on this team and giving Bryce Young the best opportunity. And this was a team where we did see, we saw production that helped your fantasy team from an over the hill adam thielen for the first half of the year and xavier liga is so talented he's so large he's so fast i trust dave canales to put him into a good position to succeed and he talks about it

like we have quotes from dave canales you talk about being hungry for more out of the backfield jet sweep short crosses crosses, perimeter screens, down the field, post. He said, quote, there really isn't much else we do with receivers. He has done it all. He has a massive receiver with explosive ability. He can make things happen. And more and more of these superlatives around Xavier Leguette.

Yeah, the crazy thing is, so Xavier Leguette was a guy, I mean, I fell in love with his tape. I told people in the rookie draft season, his profile is one that you want to bet against for sure. I'm betting on him. Don't follow me. But I believe in him. So I believe in Leguette.

I believe in Deontay Johnson as a really good NFL wide receiver. He's going to get open, going to catch the ball really good. I believe in Canales. I think he's a good offensive mind. He's done good things the last several years with different quarterbacks. And I don't believe in Bryce Young. So it's like those – they can't all – something is going to give. And so I just – I don't want to find out which one it is.

Is that your way of saying like if Deontay Johnson and Canales and Liget have success, then by extension, you're wrong about Bryce Young. Exactly correct. That is what I'm saying. Alright, that was Hungry for More presented by Uber Eats. Get almost almost anything for game day delivered with Uber Eats. Official on-demand food delivery partner

of the NFL. Order now. News and notes from around the league. There's a specific drop that I think we need to hit here. Do you have the money drop? Can you find that for me? Well, the weekend was busy. Tuatunga BBailoa, four-year, $212 million contract extension. The Packers signed Jordan Love to a four-year, $220 million extension. Jordan Love is now the highest-paid quarterback in the history of the NFL.

That's insane. He's had one season, which was a great season and maybe he proved everything that you needed to see obviously he did to the Packers but that is also that's a tough pill to swallow to go from you've been a backup you weren't ready we're going to give you a contract that's like a try and prove it you proved it not just okay we're going to extend you we're going to give you a good contract but we're going to make you a contract that's like a try and prove it, you proved it. Not just, okay, we're going to extend you. We're going to give you a good contract, but we're going to make you the highest paid quarterback of all time. Well, you guys might be surprised, but I obviously always believed this was going to happen.

If you look back at my tweets and blur your eyes a little bit, that's what you see. Incredible confidence. Now, both of these, four-year 212 for Tua, four-year 220 for Jordan Love. You know, a lot's made because Jordan Love's is the highest ever, but Tua's right there with him. These are both gargantuan contracts. Same with the Trevor Lawrence contract that he just got.

Which one is the best? Which one is the worst? Of the deals? Yeah, for the franchises. Which one would you not have done? If I had to choose one, it was Tua's deal. I would rather have done Jordan Love's deal. Yeah.

I mean, because you're locking up a player that I think showed enough as fast as you can, and every latest deal will be the highest deal ever forever. That's one of my least favorite lines in all of this. In fact, I heard Patrick Mahomes talking about these deals because of course the media goes straight to him and says, your average value per year now is X and these guys are at X. And his response just, it's why he's a three-time champion. He's just like, I'm doing great for my family. I'm not concerned about the average annual price.

I signed a good deal when I signed it. It lets me put good players around me. It was just so incredible. But every new deal. Remember when Joe Flacco was the highest paid quarterback in the history of football? I mean, this will happen over and over again. It's not the deal numbers, the headlines today. It's whether you did what you're supposed to do.

Do you want to be in the Dak Prescott range where you just have this hanging over your team every time there's a deal about to be made, or do you just want to do the right thing like they did with Jordan Love? Lock them up, you know your next four years and beyond, and move forward. I agree. Whatever quarterback you sign to a long-term deal is going to have a monstrous contract. It's always going to be up near the top whenever they sign. But I guess my question was, is Tua worth it? Is Tua a quarterback that you want to be tied to for the next half a decade? It is not very different than paying Trevor Lawrence.

Tua, I think to all of us, feels like he's benefited tremendously from Mike McDaniel and the system. Sure. But what else is he supposed to do? So he earned it in the context of doing what you're supposed to do on that team when you're supposed to do it. He has a concussion history. Those things are going to linger. But, I mean, he should be great for the next few years.

What are we going to do, not pay him, Mike? No, you either have a guy who can win games for you or you're just stuck forever and ever being a losing franchise. Or you've got Derek Carr. Yeah, you have Derek Carr. You have maybe Daniel Jones. I mean, there's just – Did you see there was $1.2 million worth of quarterback contracts given out?

$1.2 billion, sorry. $1.2 billion worth of contracts given out this offseason to quarterbacks that have zero rings combined? Yeah. You are paying to play the game. What else are you going to do? Well, when you've got Mahomes kind of hoarding them rings, it's tough for other people to have them.

Stafford got a little extra money. Yep. Finalized a new contract. Nick Chubb, unlikely to be ready for the start of the season. Jerome Ford expected to be the lead back. That's the report we got. Pierce Strong Jr., the backup. That part is, that's interesting.

Pierce Strong got way more playing time last year than anybody wanted to see happen. Right. And then Deonta Foreman to fill short yardage roles. You know, you can take that news any way you want. I have been more on the hesitant around Ford side because I am afraid of him losing short yardage. But expected to be lead back, you can take that positively. Yeah, I take it positively.

I see Jerome Ford as a really good value to start the season. Losing that goal line job, that's fine. He did the same thing last year. Kareem Hunt had, what was it, like nine rushing? That's fair. Kareem Hunt had, what was it, like nine rushing touchdowns? Kareem Hunt was the goal linebacker. So they're bringing in what I think is probably a downgrade from Kareem Hunt around the goal line and Deontay Foreman. And Ford has another year in the system. He's the veteran. He proved himself last year. So I do think that this is positive news for Jerome Ford. This is not a guy you're going to draft who's going to go out there and

give you top five weeks. He's not going to go out there and dominate, but he is a guy you're going to draft who's going to go out there and give you top five weeks he's not going to go out there and dominate but he is a guy that's going to go out there and give you top 24 weeks almost every week until you know maybe until chubb is is fully back and healthy and integrated and you have yeah you have the the timeline of nick chubb okay he's actually back how long until nick chubb is back to being the starter who's getting the bulk of the work? That's a whole extended period of time, too. You saw with Jonathan Taylor last year, right? Jonathan Taylor comes back, and they don't just go straight to it. Zach Moss still had a couple of weeks where he was more the lead dog.

I have a harder – this one's tougher for me, okay? And it's not because any of the things you're saying are incorrect. It's because of the nature of building a team. And so if I'm going to build a team where I probably have drafted my starting running backs already and I get Jerome Ford. And Jerome Ford's expiration

date is coming when I'm not starting him. It makes him a tough pick for me. That's my hesitation around Jerome Ford. Does that make sense? That is well said, and it's accurate. Jerome Ford is like a zero RB darling. It's one of those builds where

RB 41 right now. Yeah, if you are punting running back to start your draft and you're wanting to go a little bit more anti-fragile, get wide receivers, maybe go after the onesie positions. That is round 11. So like your shot on somebody else there is not a high upside shot. It's very, very poor.

And on top of that, look, unfortunately, we know that in rounds one through five, there's going to be a lot of players that it just doesn't work. Guys get hurt. Guys get hurt. Guys aren't what you hoped that they would become. And, like, to me, even with the expiration that will certainly happen to Jerome Ford, it's, well, what if the running back I took in round four doesn't work out and all of a sudden now Jerome Ford is my RB2

and he was free? All right, I want to talk about quite a bit of the news still. So we'll take a quick break and come back with some news from Chargers camp. All right, turning towards the Chargers training camp discussion. J.K. Dobbins has been full participant in training camp. Now, did you see the picture of yeah jk one leg yeah in the most literal sense like the calf of one of his legs is not as developed yeah i'm gonna guess that's the leg with the achilles problem you're wrong oh no um yeah it i mean one photograph i'm not gonna go crazy about obviously he's out there playing practicing

um this is good news for JK Dobbins I'm not gonna overreact to the photograph and besides he has had successful times he's he's had successful times on the field where he's been JK one leg right yeah I mean he's still recovering from the Achilles. Are you fully out? You're betting out against him? I am betting. Yes. My bet is out on Dobbins. It's not that Dobbins can't come back.

It's like Dobbins, to me, can come back and be the Anteforman for a team. Right? You didn't sign him probably to take over everything. No. Because those days are gone. He is the presumed number two running back behind Gus Edwards, but the contract is in such a way that we get into August, this team sees what JK is and evaluate the running back, the room,

and be like, this isn't going to work and we have to go, like, they cut him and they go pick up Dalvin Cook or something. Yeah, talk about players you want to see on a preseason field. Like, I would love to see this. I reserve the right to change my opinion. If that cap gets a little bit bigger. Bad news for you two gentlemen from the 90s. Jarrett Patterson running ahead of six-round rookie Kamani Vidal.

You addressed him properly. Thank you. Sorry, Kamani Vidal Sassoon. Thank you. Which earlier he mentioned Odrick Estimay-Lotter. Yes. And then we do have Adonai Paul Mitchell. That's right. And of course... Skirting the rules a little bit.

What was the last one that I heard? Oh, Drake Maybelline. Yeah. So we do have the full allotment. And I have to explain this because I'm pretty sure that earlier in the show, if you're under 35 years old, you thought that we mispronounced the last name of Audrey Guestimate when, in fact, we were making a really creative and deft 1995 salon joke. Yeah.

I mean, it was a professional joke here. Yeah. I'm happy that you got to explain it. You always want to explain jokes. Yes, you need to sometimes. Thanks for tuning in. I will say this. First of all, Kamini Vidal Sassoon as a round six pick,

you have to bet against these late day three guys. I know the draft season comes around and everyone gets all excited, but just historically, they don't work. They do work sometimes. An undrafted guy becomes Austin Eckler, but the majority, and I'm talking like 90% of the time, it doesn't work. But on the flip side, Jarrett Patterson, that's a name from the past that I ever, like, did he even, was he in the NFL last year?

You are remembering Jarrett Patterson from your fantasy football championship game two years ago. On the Washington football team, I believe. Same team he was still on last year. We had 17 total attempts. Okay. But yeah, right now, the Gus bus, JK one leg, the end.

So I can tell you, so last year, Jay, of the top 10, let's see, we had five first rounders, four second rounders, one third rounder, and then there was one fifth and one undrafted of the top ten.

The numbers are so against anybody actually doing anything. Ladd McConkie, Josh Palmer, DJ Chark. Those players have comprised three wide receiver sets and two minute drill. Wait, read that again. Ladd McConkie.

We're talking about the charges, right? Josh Palmer and DJ Chark. Wait, don't they have a first round wide receiver? Have comprised three wide receiver sets and two minute drill and move the ball periods of the first two days of chargers camp. I feel like you're forgetting someone.

I don't think we are. Oh, Quentin Johnston, who has been left out of that. Uh, Harbaugh did talk him up saying he's saying he's been wonderful and gets a bad rap. It feels like a lie. Oh, for sure.

And then a video comes out of him. What else are you supposed to say? Just dropping a warm-up over-the-shoulder track-the-ball thing, you know, doing a huge. He didn't drop it. He didn't get to the ball. It touched his hands. Ladd McConkie, Josh Palmer, DJ Chark.

Who do you want to take the chance on? I mean, I've said it all offseason. Ladd-McConkie is a player I believe in. Ironically, when you talk about the late breakout ages, for Xavier Leggett earlier, he had a late one. Ladd-McConkie technically didn't have one. He didn't get there. But when you watch the film, the dude balls.

He is absolutely outstanding. He is a great slot receiver. He will have space space he will be where Justin Herbert wants him to be and I think he'll be the number one wide receiver for this team so that's where I'm taking my correction on Jared Patterson that was 2022 when he had 16 carries yeah that's what I was wondering like last year so 17 carries between the last two years was he in the NFL like I know he didn't play I hadn't heard his name in forever. Practice squad. When I saw this, I was like, wait, he's back?

He's practice squad. And look, the reports that I have at least heard on Jared Patterson are far more of a he'll be back on the Chargers practice squad. Chase Brown. Chase Brown continues to take. This one is significant. Yeah, this one has changed my rankings bangles running back chase brown continues to take the majority of reps at running back with the first team offense at training camp the day before the director of player personnel

duke tobin told reporters that brown would have the opportunity to be the guy or the second guy or in tandem with zach moss but the fact that this is an open competition with opportunities to be the guy is one of the reasons why there's this, like, I think we all wanted to like Zach Moss all off season, but Mike kept saying the same thing, which is like when you stack up all of the historical data on players like Zach Moss,

it almost never works out like this, where you just get a clean run at a starting opportunity, even though he had the success last year. Now it looks like it's a really open competition. There's obviously some loyalty to Chase Brown having an opportunity there that they feel good about. So, thoughts? Yeah, so I have reacted to this. It did change my rankings as well, Mike.

I've moved them closer because originally I thought Zach Moss was giving the money. He was brought in. He's a perfect fit for this system. He's a veteran. And so I certainly had him as the well ahead of the timeshare role. I've moved them closer to each other, but I would caution people to not overreact yet. It is so early in training camp. If you want to give all these guys an opportunity to be the guy or the second guy or in tandem, then a report could come out next week saying, now Zach Moss is

taking all the first team reps. They're giving these guys opportunities. So just this is the first major beat of a drum that you want to pay attention to. Does it continue? Because if it does and it started early, that's great news uh for chase brown when there's actual real life defenders blitzing off the edge we'll see if it's chase brown or zach maas all right and then the eagles offensive coordinator kellen moore on his plans to move aj brown and davante smith around said i think those guys are going to move around the game throughout the game throughout each and every week. We know that the offense is changing in a dramatic fashion in Philadelphia. My biggest curiosity has been, like, you have a lot of enthusiasm around motion,

which the Eagles didn't run much of over the last few years, which was a strange thing for them to do, right? Like, we all have a great reverence for Shane Steichen and his innovation in Indianapolis, but he was also the offensive coordinator for this team two years ago. They didn't move a lot. Now they're going to move guys around a lot. I'm curious what's going to give. Is it going to be, you know, fewer, you know, option runs?

RPOs? Yeah, RPOs for Jalen Hurts because he's not in the in the um shotgun as often is it going to be that goal line we don't have kelsey so we don't get the push push like i don't expect every single player on the entire philadelphia eagles offense to have an upshot just because of change so i'm really just curious broadly who benefits who suffers under a transition this dramatic. Yeah. So when you're looking at that, and I think everything you said there was well laid out, it's not necessarily great for everyone. What I want to do, what I want to bet on is talent. I go, okay, this system's going to change. Who's it going to be? Who's going to succeed?

We do know that motion and these pre-snap movements, things like that, they put players in better positions to succeed. It makes things a little bit easier for the passing game. So when I look at A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith specifically, those two wide receivers are awesome. They are human beings that are great wide receivers. A.J. Brown is, fortunately for him, an athletic freak, a tank. Unfortunately for Devontae Smith, he is not, which is why he's the clear number two here. But if you just talk about wide receiver talent, there's no question that these guys are elite, awesome, world-class wide receivers. So if you would put them in positions that open things up for them to be a little bit easier, maybe catch the ball in stride, maybe create more space. I'm

betting on both of those players specifically. I don't think it goes to the entire offense. I'm not betting on Dallas Goddard. I'm not just across the board saying I've got to get every eagle I can, but I think it will be a significant year for both A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith. It will be a big adjustment too for Jalen Hurts, who struggled with the passing game over the back half of the year last year. That'll be something to watch, too. Adjusting to a new offense is not always smooth, or maybe it takes some time. Does it start worse than it finishes?

You know, those are questions. I feel like he has had a new offensive coordinator for about 20 years. Like, back to college. Like every year was, you know, he's transferring schools that he gets here, and then failure causes a change. Then success causes a change. Then it's like every year he's got a new system. I don't know what will happen if he has two years of the same system.

Yeah, I mean, they were obviously a really good offense until the tumult of the end of the year. Yeah, the second half of last year, I don't know if it was just teams figured out the very vanilla offense or something was broken in the actual play and talent, but I lean more the latter. Ricky Pearsall is back from the active NFI list. Rookie first-round wide receiver for the 49ers. And do we have any of the lock-ins?

Or the lock-ins. The hold-ins still happening, Mike? We saw no Jamar Chase last we heard. Practicing, we have no CeeDee Lamb. We have no Brandon Ayuk. What's with the Cowboys? Oh, what? Brandon Ayuk what's with the Cowboys oh that is a look I mean there was a

clip that kind of went viral there about Jerry Jones talking about how he's going to time up the market perfectly and comparing it to a read option of you got to wait until the very last second sometimes to know if the timing is perfect

and the timing is not perfect. It is, in fact, terrible for them. They have botched this with every, especially those two quarterback contracts. You're telling me Dak and Dak's representation is not like, that's nice. That's not. Yeah, this is not better for the Cowboys. That's not. You're telling nice. That's nice. Yeah, this is not better for the Cowboys. That's nice. You're telling me Jordan Love just got 220?

Maybe they get paid every two weeks, so these checks are just smaller leading up to the – It's so weird, man. A cool stat for all the Cowboy faithful, the Cowboy fans, to just get excited about this upcoming season. Right now, their free agent guaranteed money they've spent this offseason is $9 million. So that's all they've doled out.

That's a pretty powerful offseason. They need to pay probably a little bit more than that to lock up CeeDee Lamb and Michael Parsons and Dak Prescott. Yeah. And Trey Lance looks terrible in camp, so no, he's not going to work. He's not going to work. He's not going to work. He's running as the third string. I saw video.

For now. I saw video. For now, guys. I saw video. And look, you should have seen those plays and then walked off the field and handed a contract to Dak. Yeah. Also, Trey Lance reminds me of, Mike,

what was that quote that you saw from Sam Howell? Oh, that was spectacular. It was fantastic. There was a report from the Seattle Seahawks that Sam Howell is three days into an almost alarmingly inaccurate. Like you've crossed the line to from inaccurate to alarmingly inaccurate almost almost alarmingly inaccurate it's like we're not there yet but a couple more days so we'll be alarmed almost alarmingly inaccurate these three reporters please give us stuff like that like if you're gonna share your opinion make it entertaining it is that is killer alliteration it's excellent work up there. Yeah.

Cowboys got to figure this out because we would like to see those players under contract. Yes, we would. Mike still has zero of his three dynasty wide receiver because you won't trade them to me. I can do this for you. Don't get paid, guys. They're going to get paid. All right. We have a ton of great questions to

answer as we get ready for 2024 quick break and we're back with the mailbag mailbag Mailbag. Mailbag. Yeah. All right. It is time to jump into the mailbag. Excited. These questions really matter. The year is on the way. And if you have a question for the show, you can go to the website, thefantasyfootballers.com.

We are here to help. Click the submit a question button or dial our voicemail hotline, 302-464-TFFB. I got a question. Before we kick it off, my own question. Where is the third deucer? Oh, yes. Where is Matt?

Where's the falcon? You did it. You brought it up on the show. Where is the? Where's the Falcon? You did it. You brought it up on the show. Where is the third guy? I don't know. I see an empty chair. Let me count.

That man has a family. Al Borland, say something. I'm here. All right. And then we've got Papa Josh. Oh, no. Papa Josh. And then the Falcon. Yeah, say something, Falcon.

Let's listen. He's not there. He's missing. No, I'm not hearing anything. Well, my understanding, okay, is that he had lunch and coffee. And it was possible. Oh, no. It was possible he was brewing a little something.

I just haven't seen him in a while. Oh, man. And I was just kind of. We have a note in our chat that he said, I hit both bathrooms out of spite. He's just desecrating the building right now. The Falcon is fully. He's questionable to return. Yeah, I mean.

We got three bathrooms, Falcon. You got some work still to do. Oh, my gosh. Well, okay. Question answered. You got some work still to do. Oh, my gosh. Well, okay. Question answered. Let's jump into the voicemail questions. Here's one from Ryan. Hey, Ballers.

This is Ryan Amarillo. I had a quick question on draft preparation in a keeper league. How do you, any tips or tricks to prepare when the typical ADP doesn't apply? Thanks. So, I'll lay some groundwork for the answer. Keeper question when they're talking about what ADP just doesn't apply. Just, yeah, draft tips when the ADP doesn't apply to your league, which ADP is average draft position.

When we refer to it on the show, sometimes we might be referring to sleepers ADP, which is the average place players are going in a mock draft on sleep show, sometimes we might be referring to sleepers ADP, which is the average place players are going in a mock draft on sleeper, on Yahoo, on ESPN. Sometimes we refer to underdog, which is best ball and their ADP. There's all different platforms have different ADPs. They are always changing. And I do worry sometimes, I'll be honest, that because it's the common way we compare value, that it can seem so universal that it's always going to apply to your league. And so this question is so smart by Ryan to say, look, I'm not going to bank that everybody in my league has the

exact same viewpoint on every player. So what are some draft tips when there is variance? When there is, you know, I think the one that we see a lot of is if you draft at a hometown, hometown players might go in a different place than they do on the ESPN ADP, for example. I think if you even take our league of record, I would recommend this for all leagues out there that are serious, not like if you're at your office league and you've got half the people that don't know what they're doing, whatever.

Make sure ADP's on to help them to not just destroy themselves and make it an easy victory. But like in our league, we don, make sure ADP's on to help them to not just destroy themselves and make it an easy victory. But like in our league, we don't have the ADP sorted when you're drafting. You come in with your list. There is no ADP. So I think he's probably talking to a league that there is no predetermined next guy up in the queue in my league. I know you could do that on the sleeper platform where you just turn it off and it's alphabetical.

And so average draft position at that point will still be a guide of where most people in the world are seeing them. But it will be much, much looser because there is something that happens when the ADP is on, where people are just like, I got to choose from one of these three guys at the top. Don't be that person. But as far as tips, when that doesn't apply, first of all, you have to come in with your own rankings. You't be that person. But as far as tips when that doesn't apply, first of all, you have to come in with your own rankings. You have to come in. We've got the tiered

rankings in the Oldman Draft Kit. Cheat sheet creator. Yeah, we've got the cheat sheet creator so you can make your notes, you can star your players, you can move them around. But you have to come in prepared with some idea of the order of players you like and you want to a draft without i mean our league of record does not use an adp that's what i'm saying yeah just like you said

yeah just like you said just like just like you totally heard it so nice you said it twice but because of that everybody has to come in with their own plan and there's a level up that happens in terms of my plan versus your plan versus Mike's plan and where we think players are going to pull the trigger and how long you think you can wait and it's a guide I would say that the the it's always important like our league of record does not have an ADP what we don't oh my goodness breaking news that's crazy. I will say this. Drafting by tiers, which we explained on a recent episode, is always important. But if you are without ADP, that is the way to win a league,

is to make sure that you've got your players bucketed together. Because you can end up without ADP gaining extreme value later if you pay attention to guys that are in the same tier of quality. Do you have anything to add there, Mike? I do not. Preferably hand out ADP sheets to your league mates and tell them to believe them and make them. I've never gone with that one, but it could work. Yeah, you could just print out a bad one and leave it on the ground somewhere. Backwards ADP? Whoa. All right.

I think they'd figure it out eventually. I think they'd figure it out right off the bat. DenverB91 on Instagram writes in and says, Bijan101 and then like a thousand exclamation or question marks. Yes, you can take Bijan101. Yes, you can. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I've 101. Yes, you can. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, I've said this a handful of times.

If every running back plays 17 games, I think Bijon's the only guy that could outscore Christian McCaffrey this season. I think Brees, I put Brees into that bucket too, but it'd be better to take Bijon a 102 or 103 if you can make a trade. Sure. If you can trade, if that's successful to you and it's I think that the larger question to me of this is just we all have Christian McCaffrey number one do we still have McCaffrey number one I do as a group it's look if you have convictions and you have a process that has led you to believe

that I think Bijon the I like I have a higher probability of Bijon finishing as the number one player overall over Christian McCaffrey, and you have the 101, and it's the only place you can get him, because if you have the 101, you will not get Bijon Robinson in anything. It could be a linear draft. It could be a snake draft. You won't get him with your second pick. If your process is, I like Bijan more than the other guys, it's not egregious. Be bold. Take him up front. The decision you make there

simply comes with the fact you need to live with the results. Because if you take CMC where you're supposed to at 101 and he doesn't work out, at least you did what you were supposed to do. I'm just saying psychologically, but if you take CMC where you're supposed to at 101 and he doesn't work out, at least you did what you were supposed to do. I'm just saying psychologically, but if you take Bijan at 101

and Christian McCaffrey laps the field again, you will feel bad. You will. But that doesn't mean it's the wrong decision. No. Because it's very rare for players to repeat. I mean, whether by injury or circumstance or, you know, you could have a better season from CMC, but Bijan could be better over the last eight games,

so he's better for fantasy playoffs. Like, that's an outcome people don't consider very often. You just look at the, oh, cool, I've got the number two running back, but he was number one over the last five weeks. I would also throw this out there to anyone that is considering the Bijan. Like, I would take Christian McCaffrey. That would be what I do. But if these guys that you take in the first are epic failures,

it is because of injury. Like, that's what's going to happen. Like, your failures are because of injury. And you can't predict that, but there are certain markers, certain things. Obviously, age is a big one. So if you say, well, hey, I would rather have the 215-pound 22-year-old who is close enough rather than the 28-year-old who is close enough rather than the 28-year-old who's 209 pounds.

Okay, that's a fair tiebreaker. Yeah. Yeah. Just trying. No, I mean, you're trying. I mean, you said epic failure, but you could have like a normal failure. What's happening here? Is there a trade I don't know about?

No, you could have a normal failure. Like, Bichon could just be okay. B. John could be the RB7. B. John could be the RB11. Sure, okay. Like those things could happen without injury. Yeah. Just because we haven't had the years of Christian McCaffrey

lapping the field for B. John. That's why Christian McCaffrey is going number one because how Christian McCaffrey finishes as the running back seven is he missed several games. You got it. There is no world where he plays a full season and finishes RB7. There is a world where Bijon plays the whole season and finishes RB7. There you go.

Makes sense. All right, Mike. This question is from Instagram. Joe Mixon or Mike Evans in a full PPR keeper league? I would take Mike Evans in a full PPR keeper league? I would take Mike Evans. I have my biggest question for Joe Mixon is related to pass catching. And look, we've seen quarterbacks change their play style once they have a player at the running back position who actually is really good at catching passes.

The easiest one to talk is Cam Newton. Never checked it down. Then he got Christian McCaffrey, and Christian McCaffrey's catching 70-plus passes a year in Carolina. But last year, C.J. Stroud, he didn't throw to the running back position. Is it chicken or egg? But then on top of that, that very fair question is they've also added Stephon Diggs into this offense.

So you have three great pass-catching wide receivers. Is Joe Mixon going to see a huge uptick in receptions? So you're Evans. Jason, are you Evans? I am. Well, if this is at ADP because Mixon is going a full round later, I would actually be on the Joe Mixon side here. If I have to give up my pick, like if you're saying,

okay, I take Evans for a third or I take Mixon for a fourth, then it becomes harder. Yeah, I take a little bit of contention. Obviously, you talked about how Mixon coming in might allow for more receptions, but even Singletary, you know, at the end of the year, the last seven games played where he was the guy, he was on pace for 55 targets. That's not like a ton, but even Singletary, you know, at the end of the year, the last seven games played where he was the guy, he was on pace for 55 targets. That's not like a ton, but that is.

That's how many it is. Just saying, on the year, they were 30th in the NFL targets to the running back. Yeah, because the first half of the year they were trying to do the Damian Pierce thing. So if you're looking at it with the average draft position, you guys are both on the mixing side? I am. I think I'm still gonna go evans and falcon oh my oh did he find the third bathroom okay no more french dips buddy good thought good thought french dumps french dumps did switch oh he does not get paid enough to undergo what he's

undergone and never will oh the deucer's alley is just cracking up over there they know hey as long as the heat's on him we're good they love not getting dunked on

as long as the heat's on I'm still not here heat doesn't turn off it just changes Yeah, they were good. They love not getting dunked on. As long as the heat's on. I'm still not here. All right. Heat doesn't turn off. It just changes where it's pointing. Oh, yeah. Which burner's on?

The oven's always on. It's just which burner. He can't be here, Andy. He had lunch today and coffee. So, like, eventually, you just can't work. Eventually, you need to. Poor guy. I love you. You brought this up. I love you. You brought this up.

I did nothing. You brought this up. No, I did everything. I'm just going to pile on when it's here. Instagram, Hamish Dowell says, why don't you record your League of Record draft? Oh, because you will be so bored. It's kind of true.

You will be so bored. We've recorded parts of it before. We have done a little highlight video on YouTube. A little highlight video when Traeger came out and helped sponsor. And it was pretty cool to see some. We'll throw some pictures and maybe a little clip or two on socials. But really, like, you know, it's a long draft. You know, we're not in the sleeper ESPN platform drafting in there.

This is an offline, local, you know, everyone's here. We've got a lot of pages that have been printed. And by that, I mean Andy does. And then all of us have iPads. But, you know, it's a slow, arduous draft that's a lot of fun if you're in it. And I don't think it's a good viewing experience. Yeah, I mean mean i feel like i feel like most people are gonna be like oh just record it you think they'd want to see it yeah

all right well i don't think i don't think telling them it's boring is gonna make sense i'd say give us our one day give us our one day not under the microscope i want to be under the microscope if they'd enjoy it i just i don't want it would be so boring man that's that i lead that way all right um this question comes in from x in dynasty how do you manage your aging out veterans what uh what are those uh what are you willing to take in trade for example i have keenan allen when do you think you'll have the most trade value i actually have a great tip for this okay well when do i think keenan allen will have the most trade value i I actually have a great tip for this. Okay, well, when do I think Keenan Allen will have the most trade value? I traded him this offseason.

A year ago? No, I traded him this offseason. I did that. You don't trade old for young. That doesn't work. That's a bad philosophy. You'll never get that. You trade old for old. That's what you do. That's how your team has stayed so old? Yes. Okay.

You just go like one year? Yes. I traded Keenan Allen and stayed so old? Yes. Okay. Yeah, you trade old for old. You just go like one year? Yes. I traded Keenan Allen and I got Amari Cooper. Okay. That was my trade. Yeah, that's great. Amari Cooper is younger. Amari Cooper is not quite as aged, but he's not young,

and he's looked at as an older player. You will never successfully convince somebody to take a – you will rarely successfully convince somebody to take an older, proficient, great, you know, like last year, Keenan Allen still would have been a hard player to trade while he was doing well. But I could trade him for Amari Cooper this offseason. That's what I did.

I will say that you are right when you're talking about examples that have already aged past the age cliff where they've lost a ton of value. Eventually you're not going to be able to trade old for young. However, I think my answer to this question, which you have personally done, I have done many, many times in our league, I think one of the most important dynasty tips is knowing where that age range is

and when they are still holding really, really good value. So for instance, at the end of this season, when A.J. Brown, I believe, has an awesome season, he is not seen as an old, aging player. He's going to be a top, if he has a great season, he's going to be a top 5-6 dynasty-wide receiver. That is when I will trade him. He'll be 28 years old. He'll still have plenty of real, legitimate value to offer someone, and I'll trade them for a young, up-and-coming player and a first.

That's what I look for. We've done that several times across many leagues. So I think both are good ideas. If you want to get out a year early, you can get a lot for your future. If you wait and you want the production that comes from that age 29-year-old awesome season, then trade old for a little less old. That's not bad. Old for a little less old.

Yeah, I think it's a good way to go about it. That way you can keep your team as old as mine. You have done an excellent job at that. I posted the fact that I had gotten all my old guys' contracts this offseason. It's unbelievable. I offseason it's unbelievable it's almost everybody it is literally every single person on your starting roster other than your quarterback who's already locked in

forever and that doesn't count McCaffrey, Stevenson, Evans, Cooper, Kelsey, Mostert lock it yeah so it was just Alvin Kamara that's it yeah and I posted that and then I got a lot of snapback ah your team's so old your team's so old your team's so old what are you your team's gonna die his team has been old for 20 years yeah i mean like i did

snap back and then i deleted it but i like i was like dude i've won two titles with this team outscored everybody in the league by 500 point 450 points last year they I'm not saying you don't want to be strategic. I just moved Josh Allen for Kyler in a first. That works towards my future in some fashion. But I am not so obsessed with looking at my rookies in a mirror and being like, oh, someday. I like winning now. Yes.

So I will represent all the old guys. There could come a point where the creditors come to collect on your team, but they have not done it thus far. Yeah, they could, but I live in denial. Like Mike and I's champ, champ, champ team. You guys have been living that life? How does it feel? It feels awful.

It feels awful because we did we did something different how many championships did you win in a row three oh okay yeah yeah did that feel awful or awesome that felt awesome and that caused us to continue just we said we're gonna ride this thing Thelma and Louise style until it's over and right now right now I'm looking at our roster it's it's fantastic it is fantastically old though and the creditors will come calling and we're gonna have to we're gonna have nothing to offer anyone we're not even gonna be able to rebuild we'll just have to just delete the league um that's the pro tip yeah start a new league don't do that dynasty Dynasty Beagle. In light of recent events happening to my team.

We are retiring. We're going to re-roll. We're going to do another startup draft in August. Hope you're there. All right, that is going to do it for today's episode of the show on Thursday. Guess what? What? Wait, was that Papa Josh?

It wasn't Matt. Wow. Where is Matt? Oh, there he is. The falcon is flying low. It's not every day that Papa Josh jumps in with the what, but Ice and Fire episode on Thursday. What?

Ice and Fire. For real? Yeah. Ice and Fire on Thursday. What? Thank you. Mid-round Madness on Friday. And then five shows a week. Oh, brother.

Is here. So I'm sure we'll have a lot more news to talk about. Matt will be back maybe. And hopefully he's still here, like employed. Don't quit, Matt. We love you. We love you. All right.

Goodbye, everybody. Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on Twitter at the FFBallers.