Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Dream Landing Spots + Keep/Trade/Cut - Fantasy Football Podcast for 4/10

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

Fantasy Football show for Apr 10, 2025. Tough draft decisions for 2025! Andy, Mike, and Jason debate a number of tricky Keep/Trade/Cut decisions for the upcoming fantasy football season. QB strategy, NFL Draft landing spot dreams, and more! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.Get the lowest price on the 2025 UDK at UltimateDraftKit.com - Instant access to the Dynasty Pass with the UDK+(00:00) Introduction(02:30) Quick Question - Draft Dreams(02:35)  Tetairoa McMillan(06:30)  Jaxson Dart(11:00)  NFL News(17:40)  Keep, Trade Cut(17:50)  Jayden Daniels, Jalen Hurts, Joe Burrow(26:05)  Baker Mayfield, Bo Nix, Kyler Murray(32:40)  Chuba Hubbard, Alvin Kamara, Kenneth Walker(41:10)  Garrett Wilson, Tee Higgins, Terry McLaurin(50:15)  Sam LaPorta, TJ Hockenson, Mark AndrewsConnect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright. Welcome in! Thursday April 10th, the fantasy footballers Jason Moore, Mike Wright, Andy Holloway, happy Halloway. Happy to be with you for another episode of the podcast. Might be watching over on YouTube. YouTube.com slash the fantasy footballers. Thank you for tuning in. We're all here. We're all ready to go. We got keep trade cut today. We got some NFL news to talk about. We have a very fun, quick question we'll jump into momentarily, but how are you two gentlemen doing?

I'm doing very, very well. Thank you for asking. Good, good. What are we doing here? No, we're not doing anything. How are you, Mike? I'm fine, thanks. Right, not a lot going on. How are you, Mike? I'm fine. OK. Thanks. All right, not a lot going on.

Let's jump in here. I'm in the throngs of top 30 visits over here, man. Well, we've got to crack the code. We've got early rankings shows coming out very soon as well. And I know you were working through your top, what, 20 running backs? Yeah, we're getting into early running back rankings. Right before the show, I know you were working through your top, what, 20 running backs? Yeah, we're getting into early running back rankings. Right before the show, I know you were working on that a little bit.

Yeah, screwing everything up. Yeah, breaking some of our documents. But quick question of the day. When you stay at full in documents, like, how is, what am I, tearing them up? Yeah, we do it all on paper. And Mike walked over. Mike Will is out of ink. Our documents are in shambles.

You spilled some coffee on the papers, and we got to rewrite them. But that's why we got a team. You can see Deucer's Ellie. These guys take care of all the paperwork. You can break a doc. You cannot break a document. The document was too formal for you.

Yes. Yeah, sorry about that. UltimateDraftKit.com, the dynasty pass available now. If you want to check that out. Our quick question of the day, name a rookie and a landing spot that you would love to see. So pick a rookie, pick a landing spot and give me the reason why you want to see that rookie land there. I'm gonna jump in first. Okay. Yeah, I want to see Caleb Johnson go to the Broncos. And this is not my most ideal like, Oh my gosh, I'm going to go crazy if this happens. But the Broncos to me are my

favorite destination. There's there's a handful of really good destinations for running backs this year. You know, a lot of people love the Cowboys, the Bears. There's a handful. I'd be happy if the Chargers and Steelers. There's a bunch. But to me, the Broncos are the one I'm pretty much the most excited for. It's a young, up-and-coming offense. You have a long history with Sean Payton of getting a ton of fantasy production out of his running back core. And it wasn't just because of Alvin Camero. Way before Camero was there, whether it was Mark Ingram or whether it was. Pierre Thomas.

Pierre Thomas, everybody's. Chris Ivory. Yeah, I mean, the list was huge. This last year, the opportunity was totally there for Javante Williams. The pass catching running backs, like the targets to the running back position, outstanding. The talent was just not good enough. But the reason I wanted to be Caleb Johnson going to the Broncos is because the other tippy top guys, the guys like, you know, Amarion Hampton, obviously Genti, like Henderson, it doesn't matter where they go. It really, they're going to be drafted

high enough and they're going to go somewhere where they're gonna make an impact for fantasy football. But Caleb Johnson is a player I believe is very good. I think if given an opportunity in a good situation, he will succeed. And so he's the one I want to push up and add another guy to like your rookie drafts where you're going, oh, I'm excited about a fourth player. You know, you could say the same for like Kam Scataboo. I want him to be an early draft pick, I'm excited about a fourth player. You know, you could

say the same for like Cam Scataboo. I want him to be an early draft pick. I don't care where he goes. Just some team to invest early because I think he's good. You just want more players for us to care about. Bingo. Okay. Mike, who's the name for you? I'm going to go with Ted O'Rowan McMillan to the Dallas Cowboys. It's interesting because my answer to this question was almost Matthew Golden to the Dallas Cowboys as... It's interesting because my answer to this question was almost Matthew Goldin to the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah. So talk about

your like of this fit. So I like it because he is he's big-bodied outside wide receiver. We don't need to get creative with him. We don't need to move him into the slot which he'll do some of that I'm sure, but it's like we can keep CD Lam as the elite number one of the Dallas Cowboys moving him all around while you have actually someone who the defense has to care about and they're on the outside and then CD Lam you know runs PA crossers across the middle and then gets us tons of fantasy points where I don't know for sure if McMillan can be a true number one wide receiver in the NFL. I'm not saying he can't but I don't look at his film, at him being a prospect and go yeah

absolutely this is going to be a slam dunk watching Malik neighbors. We knew he would have no problem being a number one. Can McMillan do it? I don't know for sure. So get that secondary option where I'm not overly concerned about, holy crap, they added a true alpha here to the Cowboys. Is this going to bring CD Lamb down a couple spots? Is he wide receiver six now?

I don't worry about that, it helps the offense, and I think that it's just a great fit, and draft capital makes sense where they are selecting, so I could see it happening. So are you saying you would rather him go to a team with a quarterback, where he can be the two, than go to maybe a worse offense as a whole, but he gets to be the one? is yeah, that's what I would prefer

All right. I went with Jackson Dart to the Pittsburgh Steelers, which would be picked 21 if it stayed the way it is now I am a I'm becoming more and more of a fan of Jackson Dart the the more that I watch him play, the more film I watch. I think that this fit, there are players that we want to care about on Pittsburgh. We've been fatigued. Yeah, there are. We've been fatigued by the quarterback situation.

I don't know if we'll get what we want from Aaron Rodgers if he signs, but we want to care about DK McAf for a bunch of years. We want to care about Pat Fryermuth. We want to care about Jaylen Warren, whoever they bring in at running back. We want the offense to matter again in Pittsburgh. And Jackson Dart could be the guy that it works out. I think that he is probably going to go higher than 21. But Pittsburgh's a team that is going to be

competing, that has pieces that would make it very easy on him. This is a three-year SEC starter. I love his evasiveness in the pocket. I love the fact that he's gotten better every single year. I love the back shoulder throws. I love the ability. He's got some Josh Allen pocket awareness to him. Most yards in the SEC.

He's got NFL pedigree, right? Like his dad played in the NFL. So I think we see a lot of things out of- His name's Dart and he throws the ball. He does throw darts as well. Highest yards per attempt, those are darts. Love it. But no, I think that that would be a really unique fit

and it's one where like you could see, like what if Aaron Rodgers is not the quarterback? That's starter, that's like rookie starter. We've done the Kenny Pickett thing where you could see, like, what if Aaron Rodgers is not their quarterback? That's starter. That's like rookie starter. You know, we've done the Kenny Pickett thing, and I know that that didn't work out, and I know your odds are lower in the 20s, but I think that could be a move up. That could be a pick 14.

That could be a pick 15. Well, Pittsburgh does not currently have a second round draft pick. I think Pittsburgh taking Jackson Dart would be an excellent move at 83 in the third round Well Jason for some reason just you know, he clearly didn't watch the Gator Bowl because Jackson Dart was the MVP of the Gator Bowl He didn't watch the senior bowl so, I mean To me though Jackson Dart. It's about a Lot of isolated plays for him that That are NFL level throws and not necessarily,

I mean it. I think you're 100% right there because when I watch quarterbacks, and I've said this for years, so I think Andy is a way better scout of quarterback talent than I am. That is not the position that I feel like I thrive in projecting. And so I'll probably give Jackson Dart a little bit more leeway than based on my own eyes

because I'm like, I don't get it. I've watched a couple, but I think you nailing why. He definitely has incredible plays. Like this play where he evades the pocket, gets out, keeps his eyes down, field throws, or scrambles and runs. But he also has a lot of inconsistency. And I see that over. I see some things where I go, what? And I prefer the every play type of quarterback.

So I don't know. I think he's gonna go ahead of Sanders. That's what my follow up was gonna be for you personally. I do think he'll go ahead. That's why I don't think Pittsburgh at 21, look it's a spot you'd love to see. I don't know if it's gonna work out. Also I think Pittsburgh would be willing

to make some more moves. I know they don't have a second to get up and get that position figured out if they believed in it. But I think he's gonna go ahead as Shadour Sanders. I think teams are falling in love with him. I think, you know, it's strange, because it's like somebody like Patrick Mahomes in college at Texas Tech.

It was about a, you know, this is like a 500 starter, but there were the plays, right? There were the plays and the athleticism and some of the things that happened. You do tend to be, when you're that talented, a do it all guy in college, and that leaves a lot of room for mistakes. He's not without his mistakes. I'm not saying he's a guarantee to succeed, but I would like DK Metcalf to matter and right now he doesn't and I'd like some of

these other players to matter moving forward. Right now Mason Rudolph would be your projected starter for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah, yeah. And they, you know, Dart has spent considerable time visiting Browns, Raiders, Giants, Saints, Rams, and then Steelers, because I think that was last week he visited the Steelers. So look, I want more players to matter too, Jason. I'm with you on that.

So let's talk some news. News and notes from around the league. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reporting. It's always a tough one. Rapoport reporting. Yeah. You know what I mean? But it's also...

It's a real blockbauer. I think that's why he got the job. He's a Rapoport reporter? Exactly. James Cook will play for the Bills in 2025. That's good. he's under contract. Yeah, maybe this is more news because you worry about a hold-in or you worry about him listing his house for sale.

Yeah, right after- Or did he do the socials? Oh, he wiped socials, long time ago. Oh, did he do that as well? He did that, it was step one. Yeah, when Brandon Beane said that the contracts, they tried to extend it, it didn't work, they went elsewhere, and then he lists the house for sale. That is a...

You're trying out, you're pulling out all the stops. It looks petty. It's probably unrelated. I mean, putting your house to the market's a big decision. Maybe he just wants to move to a different neighborhood. But it looks very petty. A neighborhood far, far away from Buffalo. 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan said Christian McCaffrey is healthy

But the 49ers will look to add a running back in the draft as they should they probably had to I Mean this team needs five or six a year, but right now it's Gerindo, right? I mean, so you know Jordan Mason know Elijah Mitchell These guys were part of a backfield with McCaffrey before, so this is not a surprise nor a worry, really. It's not a surprise. It's not a problem for Christian McCaffrey. McCaffrey is just, if he's healthy, he's awesome.

And he's one of the better running backs in football. It's more about, isrindo gonna be the backup or are we gonna have another third round type running back going to the 49ers or you go, I don't know who the backup is anymore. Really hope they don't draft a third round running back. That would suck so much because right now Gerrindo. It's one of their favorite things.

Gerrindo really matters. Yes, he does. He's a very valuable fantasy asset and of course Christian McCaffrey would be in the running for the running back one again this year if they don't add someone. So hopefully, I mean, every time I hear a coach or a general manager talk about a position

that they're looking to add in this year's draft, I'm like, I just can't believe any, you know, it's like, they are doing a very high level job, and this matters to a great degree to them, and so to come out and say, I'm looking for a wide receiver, that just feels like, I don't believe you. I don't, I no longer believe you're looking for a wide receiver, and I hope that's the case here.

Yeah, they'll draft a running back. Sure, but whether it's a third rounder or in the sixth or seventh, I mean they've also been good at grabbing the undrafted guys and signing them after the draft. The biggest, if you wanna paint the positive side of the McCaffrey story this year is hey, he's the same old Christian McCaffrey, stays healthy,

has a great year, could be running back one. The bad, the bad side is just the worries that you have with a running back that has been injured before and is getting older, which would be some sort of, if you have a tweak in training camp, if you have a small injury and you have depth, suddenly it starts to make more sense to protect the guy a little bit at some point in time. Get the most out of him on less snaps. Like I don't think there's anybody that thinks Christian McCaffrey's snap counts are going to stay prime Christian McCaffrey for the rest of his career.

His efficiency could still be there, but that's what you get scared of with aging, running back, coming off season ending injury You know going into the year So, you know if Caleb Johnson is a is a San Francisco 49er Jason, which is a very possible thing That would make me very sad For Caleb for Caleb for Christian McCaffrey and for Isaac Arendo. So triple set Yeah, that would that would be the exact opposite of what our quick question was of what my hope was and why. So maybe that would be what your hope isn't.

Correct. Yeah. Okay. Trevor Lawrence, optimistic he'll be a full go by the start of the camp or season. That seems like a big difference. Those are very different. Wait a minute. Can we get the full tweet from Cameron Wolf to make sure?

Those are very, very different. Camp starts in July. Camp slash season. Like if you say by camp, cool. If you say by season, I'm like, wow, this is a worse injury than I thought. Yeah. The season starts in September, so.

Camp slash season is a big range. Yeah, so this is not news. I mean, that's what, this is not news. William Cohen says they're going to be tweaking the footwork to fit the timing offense. Yeah, it says camp slash season. That's the actual quote from Cameron Wolf. Okay. It was non-throwing shoulder surgery.

Uh, Mr. Wolf, I'm gonna need like the audio clip or something there. Come on. Um. Help us out please. Okay. Okay, okay. Camp slash season slash playoffs, slash playoffs. I'll be ready anytime between now and October. Trevor Lawrence, for all of the mud we could throw on him for his disappointing career so far, he's pretty tough.

He's fought through some. Sure. I can't imagine, I think when camp comes around, a non-throwing shoulder injury's not gonna keep him on the sidelines. Camp slash season? Yes, but I full-stopped at camp. All right, we'll take a quick break.

By the way, there's a new Dynasty pod out, the Mock Draft Mayhem episode with Kyle, Jason and Mike Mike all in studio Yeah, you can watch it on YouTube the rookie mock draft. So if you want to know my microphone smells bad Is that Mike Mike was over there? No, it's Kyle. Oh Kyle was over there. It wasn't me. How dare you? I just thought I was going on with the joke I didn't remember Kyle as part of the show because we were so good He just said Kyle was in the studio.

That insinuates I listened to him. Yeah, and so we did a mock draft where with a little mayhem put in there where we would be able to use that and say, okay, here's a scenario. What if this happens? Do you still value that player there? So, you know, exploring more opportunities

and not just, hey, this is where I'm ranking a player right now all right we'll take a break and we'll jump into some keep trade cut keep trade cut Keep Trade Cut. ["Keep Trade Cut Theme Song"] All right, we're gonna start with some third, fourth round quarterback options. Keep Trade Cut, Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hertz, Joe Burra.

Man. Jaden, Jalen, and Joe. Well, we're supposed to ease into things, right? Right, you normally want some softballs. I want to lay up, because this one is brutal. I think the cut is pretty clear here. You do? I do, yeah.

Uh-huh, and you should tell us. It would be Joe Burrow for me, and it's simple. We've talked about it a lot at Nausium over the years, but the fact that he is a pure pocket passer, he's not going to be going out there and rushing for ten touchdowns and no 750 yards that means that he's got to stay complete magma fire and don't hear what I'm not saying I'm not saying I don't want Joe burrow next year I think he's gonna be excellent But if I had to draft at the same draft value today, and I'm deciding between these three players

I'm far more confident assuming the touch push is not outlawed, I'm far more confident in the other two guys because of their scrambling, rushing, and rushing touchdown ability. I know that's that is almost always my go-to answer but it's like what Joe Burrow did last I did it's like yeah, jaden was a rookie. He's gonna get better But like Joe burrow had was more points per game than both of those guys last year kind of what's kind of So Joe burrow was 21.9 fantasy points per game last year Jalen hurts got injured in the third to last game and then didn't play the rest. If you take out his injured game, he was 22.2.

So he actually averaged more than all three of these guys. It doesn't feel like that when you look at the season total. It's funny, because he was actually at 21 last year. Jalen Hurts was at 21 last year. And Burrow, two years ago, was 21.9 again. So this is tight. So, Jay, just saying, that's four point. Just so you know, those points per game are four point.

Sure, but they were for both. But it, OK. Because in six point, I'm seeing Joe at 27. Yeah, I would take Joe Burrow. You would keep Joe Burrow out of these three? No, no, no, no. I would keep Jayden Daniels. I would trade Joe Burrow, and I would cut Jaylen Hertz. Mike? Gosh this question is this

this question is wild. I guess I'm probably keeping Burrow just because this is I'll take a slight value of give me you know the whatever running back wide receiver in that Jayden Daniel spot and then get me burrow Like oh man the rushing attempts for Daniels is you know it's outstanding. Yes 148 I think It's tight the reason that you say this is not a softball question is because my keep is Jaylen hurts So you're at burrow I kept, and you kept Jayden Daniels. You can make a very intellectual argument

for all three of them. When I think about Jaylen Hurts. Are they in the same tier? Because if they're in the same tier, you should take Burrow. I was going to say, I don't think they're in the same tier because to me, I feel like the two mobile Russian quarterbacks are worth more than Joe Burrow.

I mean, Joe Burrow, 21.9 points this year, that's great. A couple years ago, 21.9, he's had 19.6, 14.7, he had some injuries that year. But if you look at Jalen Hurts, and yes, these are all four point per, both him and Jalen Hurts, all the numbers I'm talking about are four point per passing touchdowns, which does, that favors the running.

That favors the mobile quarterback, but that is still the predominant, that's the majority of leagues. It's getting closer to 50-50, but you look at his numbers, I mean 21 points which again, this was actually 22.2 if you take out his injured game last year for Jalen Hurts. The year before, 21, better than all those other numbers. The year before, 21. Better than all those other numbers. The year before, 25. I mean, you look at his rushing touchdowns, and I made a joke which wasn't a joke, which was the tush push matters. The tush push, Jalen Hurts, since his rookie year where he

didn't really play, as a actual starter, has not had fewer than 10 rushing touchdowns like in his career 10 13 15 14 there's a baseline there that is really unfair and that's with Saquon having like 700 rushing touchdowns what was so hurts was that what if you the injured game 22.2 okay in four points you take out week 18 Joe Burrow is at 22 and a half both burrow and hurts have a consistency rating of B with 52.9 percent of games exceeding 20 points each I think exactly tight like no no just to go back one second cuz okay. I'm gonna let you just oh Okay, take out his worst game. I was just taking one. But he played 100% of snaps.

I'm not taking out a random game. I'm taking out a game where Jalen Hurts didn't play. Oh, I was taking out a game that real fancy players don't play. Sure, but Joe Burrow did. I think I'm answering this question based on scoring format. If I'm in a four point, I guess I'll take one of the running quarterback.

But if I'm in a six point per passing touchdown, I'll take a value on Joe Burrow. He'll go after those guys. How is Burrow's, I haven't looked into this, his touchdown percentage. Was it very different this last year than in years prior? Do you have that? I can pull that up real quick. So this past year he was- 5.8, or wait.

No, he was at 6.6 in 24. And so the year, right, so 23, you know, it was the down year. That was, he was down in the fours, but before that was 5.8 and 6.5. So for Joe to be in the sixes is not strange. Yeah, Joe Burrows gonna throw more touchdowns this year than Jaylen Hertz.

That's a given. It's just a matter of. It's the total touchdowns this year than Jaylen Hertz. That's a oh, yeah, that's a given It's just a matter of just the total touch. Yeah, it's the total and the consistency and they both have been very consistent I mean we didn't we haven't spent a lot of time talking about Jaden Daniels. You're gonna be You know target on your back sophomore season a lot of expectations Not catching anybody by surprise You know any thoughts about Jaden in the conversation of like not catching anybody by surprise, any thoughts about Jaden in the conversation of like. It's funny, he's obviously being drafted ahead of the other two guys, and he's the most exciting.

He is the guy that if I leave the draft with one of these three, I'm the most excited for Jaden Daniels just because the what if, such an incredible good rookie season. Did you just gasp? Yeah, that was a. Oh, okay. That was for effect? Yeah, good rookie season. Did you just gasp? Yeah, that was a... Oh, okay. That was for effect?

Yeah, exactly. That wasn't to sustain life? No, it wasn't to sustain life or speech. It was to be wowed. But it's funny with Jaden Daniels because there's the opportunity for him to really take off and elevate his game, going into year two, adding Debo Samuel,

all those things that are fantastic. But there's also the world where, you know, the CJ Stroud that was impossible to get worse, adding Stephon Diggs and going into year two couldn't get worse, but he didn't have his biggest sample size. Neither Jalen Hurts nor Joe Burrow to me have aged out to where I'm fearful that their play is going to be bad next year and so I would rather have someone that's got three four five seasons under their belt doing it consistently than the one year even though the one year does mean higher potential. 500 votes in I threw it up really quick. 51.5% 4 point leagues, 48.5% 6 point leagues. Pulling the foot client. Which it seems pretty neck and neck right now. And

honest to goodness, Mike is very wise to say that those two players and really more than any other two players, specifically Joe Burrow and Jalen Hurts, when you're comparing those two, that scoring format makes a big difference. It does. You're talking about double-digit touchdowns on the ground for Jalen Hurts, guaranteed, if the tush push is still here, versus way more passing touchdowns for Joe Burrow. Well, seventh and eighth round quarterbacks then. Another three back to back to back. Baker Mayfield, Bo Nix, Kyler Murray.

Baker had eight finishes inside the top five at the position, which was the most of all quarterbacks. Bo Nix was at that sweet, sweet 21.9 fantasy points per game, which is Joe Burrow numbers in four point. That's from week five on for Bo Nicks. And then Kyler Murray, the fifth most rushing yards among quarterbacks. There was some little puff piece about him running more.

Well, it is. Interview, it's an interview with Kyler. That's what I say, it's not quite a puff piece cause this isn't someone projecting this. You just know it's a lie. They, yes. That is the thing you have to decide. Watch the clip.

It's Kyler Murray and they're saying, they're talking about him running. And Kyler is, he's saying like, he's like, yeah, next year I need to run more. It's gonna be part of the scheme. Essentially is what he's saying and it's this, oh my gosh, Kyler, are you seriously gonna try to drag us back in?

We just got out. No. And I was feeling so good and so safe on the outside. Stay out. The previous question had two Russian quarterbacks, one pocket passer. This one is more so two pocket passers, one Russian quarterback. Bonix can run a little bit, but. Yeah, how far behind is. But so can Baker.

I mean, they're scramblers, but they're not. Boeniks had 430 rushing yards. Yeah. But on 92 attempts, a lot of rushing. Well, and don't discount Baker. He was almost at 400 yards on the ground. So Kyler was at 572. Yeah, so where do you look here?

Kyler Murray with newly minted Trey McBride, Marvin Harris in sophomore season, Bo Nicks with Cortland, Sutton and Company probably adding some pieces in the draft. Baker Mayfield with his tried and true all pros. Godwin will be back, Mike Evans, McMillan. The thing for Baker is, I know he was still good and fine when Chris Godwin left.

But Chris Godwin, before he went down, was, I think he was the wide receiver too, in points per game. In all of fantasy football, he was dominating. We won't know the health of it, but if you could tell me right now, going into week one, Chris Godwin will be good to go, and he'll be fine then I would

go Baker. Baker is currently being drafted higher. I think Baker is very safe. Baker finishes the quarterback three last year. Would you rather, real quick sidebar, would you rather have one of these three names Mayfield, Nix and Murray at their ADP versus those first three names? Or do you, would you rather be at the bottom of that last group and maybe take Burrow

in the fifth pick off the board at quarterback versus waiting on these three? Because these three, you see upside cases, but you see downsides for all three of them. Yes, definitely. Like none of them feels like they're a lock. Like Bo Nicks could definitely regress, have his ups and downs, Baker Mayfield.

You know, you feel okay about it, but you don't really look at him as an every week auto start. And then Kyler Murray, he's had his disappointments of late that are just burning people out. Yeah, I mean, it's really tough. I put Jalen Hurts at the top of the earlier three pack. I would rather have him than any of these three,

including the ADP in and what you're sacrificing at the running back or wide receiver position. When I look at these three quarterbacks and I'm like, okay, I think Bo Nix is gonna be good. He looked great as a rookie, hasn't done it yet. Kyler, I know is cursed and will ruin me. He's out. He will only be good once we're all out so just get him out don't

don't include him but Baker I mean we can never go back in though because as soon as you go in correct you will be your stops yes you just if you want him to be good stay out be everyone get off the Kyler Murray train and then he'll be okay otherwise if he has one believer if mama still believes he's going to make sure to disappoint her Of the three quarterbacks Baker Mayfield is the best quarterback For NFL purposes, I believe he is the best quarterback. That's who I want. But for fantasy purposes, it is scary I brought up Joe Burroughs passing touchdown numbers when you aren't a prolific pass rusher

Which Baker did scramble a lot this year, which is helpful, but that's not necessarily guaranteed that he's going to be a 400 rushing guard type player. The previous year he was 62 for 163. Exactly. He rushed the exact same amount of times this year, but for 378 yards. It's very outlier. It is an outlier, but the other thing that's an outlier, so if those rushing numbers come

down. 12 fumbles. Baker, hold on onto the ball. The passing touchdown rate for Baker Mayfield, if you take out his rookie season, actually we'll include his rookie season because it was great, 5.6%. Even help him out here. His average before this season, his passing touchdown rate is 4.6%, which is slightly above average for the NFL that's not a bad percentage that's like hey you're a you're a franchise quarterback but that's not fantasy winning pocket no but you don't want to

know what is 7.2 and that's what he threw last year so you know there's there's warts on all three I think Baker I look at Baker at this point in two careers I got I don't you know it's it's Tampa Bay Baker and everything before I think Baker, I look at Baker at this point in two careers. I don't, you know, it's Tampa Bay, Baker and everything before. Right, but the first year Tampa Bay, Baker was 4.9. Yeah, 4.9, yep. So I mean, if you meet in the middle,

you're still okay, you're not QB3, but. I'll keep Baker, trade Kyler, I'll cut Knicks. Man, I think at the value, like Jayden Daniels has the ability to regress going into year two, so does Bo Nicks. But the value where it's later in the draft versus earlier, they both have the option to go north. I think I'm gonna take Knicks.

As your keep? As my keep, trade Baker and of course cut Kyler. But that's, yeah yeah it's tough I like Baker a lot I don't think there's any player I'd prefer watching right if he's the best quarterback and has the best wide receivers which is the current situation definitely and and has a passing like a running back room that can catch catch the football with buck yearving and with Rashad White, it's easier for me to lean that way. Would you guys, did you answer the question of would you take

one of these three or the first three at their ADP? I would take Burrow overall. Yeah I would take Hertz. Running back, keep trade cut, Chuba Hubbard, okay. These are back to back to back again they're all they've been designed to be difficult Chuba Hubbard Alvin Camara Kenneth Bonewalker K bone the bone man yeah the bone zone this one's not difficult now Chuba is RB 17 he's a higher ADP right now than the other two guys. If you look at the game log you will probably be shocked again just how outstanding Chuba Hubbard was.

4.8 at carry almost 1200 yards despite missing a game and his opportunities didn't even shoot up to week three but you're talking about I mean he had games 31 opportunities 34 opportunities he was a workhorse for them Jonathan Brooks will not be in the picture Alvin Kamara we know what we got with him at this point in time and then Kenneth Walker new head coach new offensive coordinator new quarterback but obviously a ton of talent what what is your instant reaction to that my instant reaction is that I don't think Alan Kamara should be at this place in the draft as it's too low it's too low he's old he's 29.7 he's gonna play at 30 years old this coming season and so he's

gonna stay in this area of the draft. There's a player who has just never not been great, like ever pretty much, the last couple years, he was on a per game basis outstanding, but at the end of both years kind of fell apart. I mean, any- I think his ADP, can I just defend his ADP here?

Yeah. I think his ADP here is very specific to, I think where underdog is on basketball type of situations. The injury risk that you talked about, the fact that his prime is behind him. Chuba Hubbard could have a better season. Chuba Hubbard could be entering that, I mean, he just got paid big money, the team made huge steps over the back half of the year

and he is the guy. So I think in underdog you're also looking for ceiling and I don't know if we believe that at this stage Alvin Kamara has much ceiling left. He's got a good floor. Do you disagree with that? I was looking at it, I wanted to see on sleeper where it's not a best ball mentality

Alvin Camara is a few spots ahead of to make sense to me They're basically at the four or five turn Kenneth Walker is almost a full round ahead of Chuba He's an early fourth versus a late fourth for Camara versus early fifth for Chuba Yeah That it's super surprising and won't be normal for redraft leagues for Chuba to be the highest drafted among these three. Right.

So to me, I'm throwing the ADPs of underdog out. I'm looking at it from a redraft league. I'm looking in August what I'm going to be doing. In that case, it's easier to sell Chuba as the best value of the group. 17 fantasy points per game from weeks three through 16. RB seven. It's probably time we gave him a little bit more credit.

So I will do that now. I'm gonna keep Chuba Hubbard at the value. I'll trade Alvin Kamara and I'll cut Walker. I have no problem giving Chuba the credit. I mean he financially it's all there They But there were for fantasy purposes, I mean the Carolina Panthers backfield it was a situation this year It just worked out of they thought they were gonna have Chuba and Jonathan Brooks and maybe even and Miles Sanders like they thought they had going to have Chuba and Jonathan Brooks and maybe even and Miles Sanders like they thought they had enough bodies and then the bodies just

depleted and it was only Chuba and the Jonathan Brooks comeback was very short and very bitter and well look I'm not saying Rico Daddell was overtaking Chuba but looking at just box score hunting you after the bye week, you had a full straight month of Chuba Hubbard averaging about 3 1 1⁄2 yards per carry. So I'm wondering, did the Carolina Panthers see a guy who was- And still was at 4.8 on the year. Yeah, he opened-

Which is wild. That's what I'm saying, the season opened up gangbusters for him, but do they feel like we overworked him, and we do need someone else to come in here and take some of these carries? Because his total opportunities. I don't think 304 was the goal, but he was at 282 the year before.

So you're talking about a player that's held up to 280 plus for two straight years. So I think Rico is going to take more workload than the Chuba people want to believe. And then Kamara, it's, they have to draft somebody, right? They have to someday. I mean, they definitely need a running back, yes. Because if they don't, then Alvin Kamara's gonna get,

he'll get all those receptions again, he'll be gross. He'll be hurt again. It grows into disgusting. That's what'll happen. Man. So you're keeping Chuba Jay, who are you? I'm gonna keep Alvin Kamara. You know, the most explosive per play guy is Kenneth Walker here.

But if you wanna talk about getting hurt, I have more confidence in Alvin Kamara playing 17 than I do Kenneth Walker. Yeah. I think this is gonna be a very controversial one that we just discussed. I don't think people are gonna be, I don't think many will agree with me about Chuba.

I think a lot of people are bullish on Kenneth Walker and are probably sitting here going he should 100% be the highest among this group. He is currently being drafted as the highest. The team has made an offensive coordinator change that from the outside appears to be to get towards running the ball more And that you know that it makes sense and when you see Kenneth Walker on the field. He's very very good. Yeah You know my cause him forced missed tackle rate among 46 running backs with 100 plus carries Yeah, if you're not factoring in draft costs here, I think Walker is just fine to be your key Yeah, I wouldn't argue with anyone for keeping Walker.

He could end up being a steal in this year's draft. But Ken Brittlebone Walker is tough to really anchor your ship to. I'm gonna keep him though. So again, we're keeping, so you're keeping Chuba, I'm keeping Kamara. You can't quit Ken Bone Walker. You're keeping Ken Bone.

It's too sensational when you want to play. Yeah, I'm just Kamara. You're keeping Ken Bone Walker. You're keeping Ken Bone. It's too sensational when you want to play. Yeah, I'm just going for value. But yeah, I think pure talent and entering, like Kenneth Walker and Chuba Hubbard, you put them in the exact same system and you tell them, you give them the same opportunities and you say, you're not hurt for the year. Kenneth Walker will have a bigger fantasy year

than Chuba Hubbard will. But I just don't think anybody really wants to build their team around Chuba Hubbard will. But I just don't think anybody really wants to build their team around Chuba Hubbard, even though they could have done it for two straight years now. For two straight years, you could have had them in as your RB2 and you would have been living life. Whereas Walker missed time, Kamara missed time.

It's a tough call. Imagine if Walker doesn't, though. Exactly. But the biggest problem of getting hurt a bunch is just teams decision making on how they manage the future. Like they just invested money in Kamara too. Like they just re-upped Kamara and it's like, well do you want them on the field?

They don't know what they're doing. They don't want them on the field 38 times like he was on the field in week nine. 38 opportunities. That's all they got. I'm sure that played a part in missing the last three weeks of the season and not being helpful. I believe he led the team in receptions.

Yeah, because that's your case for them is they draft one of the top wide receivers and they get healthy. Maybe they go down. Yeah, I mean, hopefully Chris Olave can stay healthy. That would be great. Derek Carr play 17 for them? I don't think so.

Mike? But not because of injury. Right, that's why I'm asking. You think they take someone and he gets benched? I think towards the end of the year he gets benched whether they take someone or not. If they're not winning games, they're gonna, you know, probably due to injury contract situation,

just be like, let's go, let's get our quarterback of the future next year. Let's get Jackson, dart a few snaps. Ooh. All right, we'll take a break, we got a couple more. ["Darkest Night of the Year"] And I mentioned it at the top of the top 15 running backs and wide receivers early ranking shows

coming next week, by the way. Keep trade cut. These are all hard. Garrett Wilson, T Higgins, Terry McLaurin. Just to give you the- Let's change Terry to DeAndre Hopkins. Just to make it a lot easier. To make it easier to have an easy cut.

Oh, yeah. McLaurin last year was one of 10 wide receivers since 2000 with 13 plus reception touchdowns receiving TDs on fewer than 125 targets, so hyper efficient in the touchdown department. But, I mean, go-to guy for Jaden Daniels. T. Higgins last year, fourth best among wide receivers at fantasy points per game.

If you run up the hill and get on the field, T, it's nice. They call him the Ken Bonewalker of wide receivers of fancy points per game if you run up the hill and get on the field tee It's nice. They call him the kin bonewalker of wide receivers And then just got paid I have a type Mike has a type he likes the guys who if they play they're great. They burn so bright guys I just imagine Blake Jarwin if he had been out there Garrett Wilson second most targets through three years in NFL history. He'll have Justin Fields. This is, what's actually interesting

about these three names that I like is that they are all three players that have been, so much hope in each name for so long. So much, it wasn't their year has happened to them. And here we are with. Good seasons. Coming into twenty twenty five, being drafted back to back to back on underdog. Terry McLaurin, to me, is the easy cut of the three of these people. Really? Yeah, to me, he's the easy cut because, you know, Andy just read the crazy efficiency of these people. Really? Yeah, to me he's the easy cut because you know Andy just read the crazy efficiency of touchdowns. We talk about it all the time even for prolific career long

touchdown scorers there is a lot of variance from year to year when it comes to specifically touchdowns. This is a guy obviously we've always talked about he's got a quarterback problem well now he's got a quarterback solution it doesn't change the fact that he's had four touchdowns, five touchdowns, five touchdowns, five touchdowns, four touchdowns, 13. Thirteen touchdowns when you've got a great quarterback is hard to repeat. That number at that volume is. Yeah, now you add in Debo Samuel and you go, okay, I see how it goes wrong. You also look at these three guys and you go, well, who's the oldest? Terry McLoran's gonna turn 30 this year.

So it's not that, Terry McLoran is a great player. I don't think he's aged out, but he is getting older. He's got a great quarterback that could take a step forward but could also take a step back. So when I'm comparing him to T. Higgins and Garrett Wilson, I would rather have those other two guys. It's funny, because I mean, you are cutting the, by far, best fantasy finisher. From last funny, because you are cutting the by far best fantasy

finisher. From last year, yeah. From last year. Mike, do you agree with the easy cut on Terry McLaurin? I don't think I do. I think my key peer, I actually think he's going to be T. Higgins. I thought for sure it's going to be Terry McLaurin.

It's going to be T. Higgins, but then I'm going to trade Terry McLaur but then I'm gonna trade Terry McLaurin, I'm gonna cut Garrett Wilson. I don't like the level of, Garrett Wilson may put up a fantasy finish that you're kind of okay with. I do not think it will be very consistent with Justin Fields in that division.

And I think that the team needs to add more pieces. So that's the way I'm gonna go. So I'm doing a quick look here of the history of Washington. While Terry is there, like how many passing touchdowns per year were they having? So the rookie year, that was where it was just brutal. That was like, you know, the Alex Smith threw six touchdowns.

So they had 16 total passing touchdowns that season. So that one, I'm not even going to factor that into any of my thought here. In 2021, they had 21 passing touchdowns. In 22, it was 24. 23. In 2023, it was, where did we go? 24 passing touchdowns. And this one, it was, this year it was 29.

25 was Jayden Daniels. So my point being, it's not a crazy difference. They weren't substantially higher in passing touchdowns this year, but Terry McLauren hit. And so that makes it even scarier. That makes it far more difficult when that when the team is still throwing mid 20s and Terry McLaurin is catching five to six touchdowns a year And then he has the one year where he shoots up

And of course Jane Daniels is the the variable that we don't have enough information on yet. It's a That's scary that like Jason saying that that feels like It was the magical year for Terry McLaurin because the yardage was normal Terry yardage. This was just a... He came through with a lot of receiving touchdowns. Yeah. T. Higgins would be my keep as well, Andy. T. Higgins last year was 15.5 fantasy points per game when he played. That was significantly ahead of Terry McLorin's 13.3 or Garrett Wilson's 11.8.

So you're talking about a player that, I mean, again, he has a health issue, but good news everybody. That was also a spike for T. But the good news is his new contract incentivizes him actually playing these games. It does. I was so thrilled when he... Yeah, there is such a high per game bonus check for him every single week. Yeah. If you look at Garrett Wilson, if we're talking touchdowns, he has

469 career targets. Nice. He averages a touchdown every 33.5 targets. I don't think that's going up with Justin Fields. Which is only 14 touchdowns on 469 career targets across three years. He's never had the spike year. He doesn't have the quarterback situation figured out. You know what? You were right. It is not an easy cut for Terry McLaurin. It's an easy keep for T. Higgins to me. That's fine.

Because if I had to bet money on which one would have double digit touchdowns, I would bet T. Higgins despite Terry McLorin's 13. Yeah, me too. But Terry McLorin get to eight or nine with the best, you know, a much better quarterback situation than Garrett Wilson. Like, what are the odds of Garrett Wilson

putting 10 into the end zone this year? McLorin has to be higher than that. Yeah, and then quarterback-wise, Jayden Daniels had an incredible year, 25 passing touchdowns. He could go up. Yeah, he can't, but is he gonna be anywhere close to Burrow? No. No. No, so that's why I'm Higgins, McClellan, then Wilson.

Yeah, even though he's the technical wide receiver two on his team, I'd rather be the wide receiver to or my quarterback can be 4040 then Garrett Wilson upsets me he did he upsets me to really makes me upset because Yeah, okay, Aaron Rogers didn't play the best and and and he had a fine fantasy See how to he had a stretch run in the middle of the season right before Devante Adams got there where it He had a stretch run in the middle of the season right before Devontae Adams got there where it was, the breakout was happening. But I also- And then it got shut down.

I don't watch Terry McLaurin or T. Higgins when they're on the field and get frustrated by them. Like, why can't you tap your toes? Garrett Wilson is a talented wide receiver. He's super good, but he does some stuff out there that I feel like just mental errors over and over. And so if you're taking the volume from Aaron Rodgers to Justin Fields, that's gonna be frustrating.

What if Garrett Wilson is more driver's laundry than we'd like to give him credit for? I could see that. What if he's not that guy? What if he's not Justin Jefferson? We've been waiting for him to be Justin Jefferson. I mean, he's just not gonna guy. What if he's not Justin Jefferson? We've been waiting for him to be Justin Jefferson. I mean it's just not gonna happen. He's caught 57% of his passes in three years. He's got no... It's been... I mean it's not like he's... it's

not a lack of targets. Yeah but those targets... those first two years the targets were so bad. He's got to be the first player to turn 95 receptions into a wide receiver 32 finish. Because look, those first two years he caught 56, 57% of his passes. That jumped to 66%. Quarterback play. With a bad Aaron Rodgers.

And yet still much better than what he had had. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. So where did you finalize? I'm keeping T. How do you rank the other two? I guess I'd trade.

I mean, Garrett's going higher, but that's also best ball mentality. I think in redraft, people are going to prefer Terry, so I'll trade Terry. You know what? Oh. I'm going to make that pivot. Oh!

He would be an easy cut to me if this was keep cut cut. Yeah dude, the question becomes much easier if it's keep cut cut. This guy can change any rule he wants. Look you guys won me over. You swayed me. I'm gonna one up you. Imagine the game is cut cut cut. That's so easy.

I'm cutting T Higgins, Terry McLaurin, and Garrett Wilson. I'm cutting Garrett Wilson, Terry McLaurin, and T. Higgins. You can't get it wrong. No. This is way easier. Man. Do we want to try on this final tight end, keep trade cut? Sure.

I want to try on tight end, cut, cut, cut. Well you would cut, cut, cut the tight ends sometimes. Sam Laporta, TJ Hawkinson, Mark Andrews. This one is fun. There's some stank on all these guys right now. TJ Hawkinson, you know, had the major injury. It was tough. Mark Andrews, the slow start. You had to have some metal to keep playing him. Yeah, which the Mark Andrews was, you either had the stones to keep him

and he destroyed you to the point where it's like. It didn't matter what he did later. It was the comeback, it was too late. So even if you survived it, he was murdering you on a week to week basis. Laporta obviously did not have the replication of his rookie season, but did have a nice finish. Andrew's the nice finish.

Hawkinson, you know, it's going to be a new quarterback, but we know what he's capable of it just coming back last year. He wasn't the same guy. It was pretty clear that he was on some snap counts. Um, where did he get to? Did he get up to 70% of snaps? He did that twice, but you know, he averaged four catches a game, which was not what we saw in 2023, right?

I mean, he was a six catch a game guy in 2023. Is this an, do you have this one worked out already? Laporta, Hawkinson, Andrews. Right now on underdog it's Laporta first, Hawkinson second, Andrews third. And this is probably Andrews last year with Baltimore. It certainly could be. Hawkinson is extremely difficult because he was last year I don't it's hard to take stock in anything from last year because he was recovering from such a devastating injury.

He didn't catch any touchdowns. 95 for 960 and five the year before. And now he will have a, essentially a rookie as his quarterback, which like that then caps your touchdown upside because if J.J. McCarthy hits mid-twenties in touchdowns, he had a great year. All right, I've got my answer. caps your touchdown upside because if JJ McCarthy hits mid 20s in a touch in touchdowns he had a great year. All right I've got my answer PPR leagues I'm keeping Hawkinson okay and then I will trade Laporta cut Andrews in full PPR if

I am a hundred percent standard league I'm actually gonna keep Mark Andrews okay and I will go ahead and trade Hawkinson and cut Laporta. I think no matter the format I'm gonna keep Laporta, trade Andrews. I think he's slightly more valuable than Hawkinson. I think I'm gonna keep Laporta here. I really want to keep Mark Andrews because I... Neither of you considered keeping Hawkinson? I did. I considered all three. I mean, I think these are, you can make arguments for all of them.

Hawkinson, when he was on... He'll catch the most passes by maybe 30. He will catch the most passes. He was coming off of an injury, didn't play the whole season. His projection, you know, if his projection for the season would have been, you know, 69 receptions, which would have been significantly more than either of the other two guys, significantly nicer. And so, Hockenson is definitely in the running to me.

But you've got, you know, last year was a down year for Laporta, and you know, Mark Andrews was better than Laporta because he got a ton of touchdowns, but we know Laporta can get touchdowns, he just did it his rookie year. So the touchdowns to me aren't what I can bank on. I've gotta bank on volume a little bit, so that's where Hawkinson,

maybe he should be the right pick, but I also think that Laporta should be better this coming season than he was this last season. You know, kind of me in the middle. I'm gonna keep Laporta. I'm gonna keep Laporta. Laporta ended up as the tight end seven despite the rough start to the year, still scored seven times. That's not, I mean that's okay.

Yeah, I think I'm gonna go Laporta-Hawk-Andrews. My question on Hawkinson is if J.J. McCarthy throws 25-26 passing touchdowns, which again is for a first time starter, that's a great year. How many of those, like what's Hawkinson's touchdown upside? Yeah, I would be, that's why I said PPR, because I don't, I'm not counting on more than five. Yeah and Andrews, Andrews, he'll, he has the opportunity to go double digits again, so I like him more than Hawkinson. I still think Andrews could be,

like when I watched Andrews, I did not see bad play. I really didn't. I saw an offense that no longer. There was one bad play. Oh yes, okay. The drop-ski on the two-point conversion was bad. But I think the offense has moved beyond requiring Mark Andrews. Well this is why he'd be the biggest risk

of these three by far. Like Laporta and Hawkinson are very, I think those two guys are much safer. We saw from Andrews that he can completely, like, what, he shut it down for the first five weeks. At least weeks two and three. But then he was very good. It's just I don't have as much confidence in his role.

Like I know Hawkinson, with J.J. McCarthy and Hawkinson, that's like BFFs. That's gonna be the most important player to McCarthy outside of Jefferson because of just how many underneath safety valve plays. Whereas we've talked before, Laporta, he's gonna fall behind the pecking order of Amon Ra and probably-

JMo. Probably JMo and the running backs potentially. I mean, I would expect more receptions from Jameer Gibbs than 60. I think then it becomes philosophical of, if you're going with the tight end position, do you wanna go safe? I think that I-

Sure. I think I just wanna go upside or I think that I... Sure. I think I just want to go upside or I'm going waver wire. So... That's why you drafted Mark Andrews where you did. The jokes happening about cut, cut, cut are fun, but that's genuine. I don't want any of these tight ends. These are the exact type of tight ends that I will not be drafting in 2025.

Do you have rounds? Do you have the sleeper rounds for these guys? Because I don't really like the, like looking at underdog basketball, what tight end they are doesn't matter to me. But like if Hawkinson's a, if he's an eighth round tight end for me, then I'm cool getting 90 receptions at my tight. It's like taking Ingram. Yeah, eighth round is fine.

If he's an eighth round tight end, I'd be cool. Yeah. I mean, Laporta right now is showing up in the sixth. Andrews is in the seventh. Hawkinson is blowing my mind and I feel like the data has to be broken because this says he's in the fourth round. What? Yeah. Well, that won't work for me. No, but I don't want like to me. I know you like the eighth Andy But what if it was the fourth? No, that's not gonna work. Yeah, so like me I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna draft Brock Bowers or Trey McBride or George Kittle. I'm gonna get I'm gonna take Bowers McBride or Kittle and then if I don't get one of those guys I am checking out and I will go

or Kittle. And then if I don't get one of those guys, I am checking out and I will go late. I will take someone that I don't think is- You'll take Evan Ingram on the Broncos late. Sure, I'll take Evan Ingram on the Broncos. That could be good. I'll take David Njoku again. I'll take one of the two rookies, depending on where Loveland goes or Tyler Warren or Fannin. Oh, man. I'll add him in there.

Dude, you gotta calm down on- He's gonna be a day two pick. Tyler Warren or Fannin. Oh man. I'll add him in there. You gotta calm down on Harold. He's gonna be a day two pick. Well there you go. Those were tough. Those were tough. There were a couple positions where I think the league format makes the biggest difference. Gotta get Harold to a purple team.

Are you talking Harold Fannin? Yeah. Why to a purple team? Oh come on, Harold and Purple Crayon. Yeah. Yeah. Why, to a purple team? Oh come on Harold and Purple Crayon. Super sick reference. I mean where's the crickets on that? Someone will like it. Oh someone will love that I've never heard that in my life. What? Have you? Ten years Mike we don't know things. Harold and Purple Crayon, it was a kids book. Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.

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