Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Dynasty Draft Tips + Rookie Sleepers - Fantasy Football Podcast for 5/14

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

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Welcome in. Andy, Mike, and Jason, the Fantasy Footballers. Tuesday, May 14th. Welcome in, one and all. The gang is back together. School to be back. Welcome back, Mike. I did it. Made it back?

Yeah. Was that the objective there? Your boy was down bad. And we talked about it briefly on the show before we were interrupted. Yeah, I did hear. And, you know, you got a little bit, you know, I did. You got a little bit air. I got a little high on the own supply.

Yeah. You, you started talking about, ah, you know, I, I've been there, done that. I'm not getting sick again. Yeah. Yeah. The, the, the, the Rhone ski had been in my house multiple times and I kept dodging it to the point where I'm like, well, I mean, there's clearly only one answer here and it's I am now immune. Right.

At that point, it's impervious. Right. Except my body was just secretly waiting to get completely destroyed. Yeah, you had it yourself a week. Sure did. But you're back and we are thankful for that because it's Dynasty Week. Woo! Welcome to Dynasty Week.

It's Dynasty Week. That slaps. You're a big fan? That's when it's Dynasty Week, Jay, you got to... I'm a very big fan of that. You got to bring it. We've got rookie sleepers, some late draft pick strategy today. We've got a Dynasty mailbag show.

We have trade for, trade away players, and trade tips for Dynasty Leagues on Thursday. It's a special week each year as we give a little extra attention. Now we have a Dynasty podcast, but we take one week a year to do a special Dynasty week set of episodes and well, we also do some special giveaways because if you go to FootClanGiveaway.com right now, we are

giving away a signed Devon A. Chan jersey. Wait, what? If you can catch it. Yeah, it's going to be going fast. Who authorized this? You were sick. That's what I'm saying.

Who authorized this? And we spent your money. Yeah. And we did specifically. And I did take that out of the Mike portion of our finances. Thank you, Mike. The people applaud you. We keep all the money in buckets.

Like the Home Depot buckets. Yes, five gallons. And we went into your bucket and we bought our listeners a signed Devon HN jersey and told them. I thought there was an understanding that you never reach into another man's bucket when he's missing. That used to be the

case, but this was a chance to get a HN jersey and give it away. So sorry, but not sorry. Footclanggiveaway.com for that. If you have the UDK Plus, you can already dive into the startup rankings, the rookie rankings, the team opportunity pages, trade for candidates,

and you can get it at the lowest price if you don't have it at ultimatedraftkit.com. Excited to kick it off with a dynasty-centered quick question of the day. Nick in North Carolina writes in, says, what rookie wide receivers are not getting enough attention and could contribute quicker than expected. Good question, Nick. What do you think, Jay? I like all three of our answers. Yours, Andy, is my favorite. So I'll save you for last.

Oh, for last. But I want to throw out Jermaine Burton. I don't feel like he has gotten enough buzz. This is a wide receiver out of Alabama. He didn't have a fantastic production profile, but he was, he's very athletic, very talented, you know, 445 speed, six feet, 200. He still led them in receiving, even though he didn't have prolific production like for the team, he very very good but it's

his landing spot that I think really matters and if you watch in the draft how excited the Bengals were he went in the third round with the 80th overall pick to the Cincinnati Bengals and they were like yes they got their guy they wanted him this was a this was a player who was thought to be higher than this but character concerns behind the scenes. He might have a toad. He might have a bit of a toad problem. Toad alert. Might be a little bit of a Raphael situation.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like it. Raphael had a toad. Yeah. It's cool. That's why he was Mike's favorite. He was cool, but he was rude. Yeah.

That is- Which is a weird line to just gloss over. In a song, you're like, hey, this guy's cool, but he was rude. Yeah. That is- Which is a weird line to just gloss over. In a song, you're like, hey, this guy's cool, but rude. Well, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. He's cool. He's a cool guy, but he's just really rude? I feel like that's one and the same, Mike. The cool guys-

They're always a little rude. They're a little rude. They got a toot. George Pickens, cool, but rude. Yeah, absolutely. He's got a toot. Yeah. Very helpful. um they got george pickens cool but rude yeah absolutely he's got a toad yeah uh so anyways jermaine burton has a toad but that dropped him down to the third round but that's still

good draft capital that's day two 80th overall pick and the landing spot he goes to he goes to very nice very nice swish um he goes to a great quarterback in joserow and Tyler Boyd's gone so there's a need for a wide receiver and T Higgins initials is his quarterback T Higgins is about to be gone you know we the expectation oh he's gonna be gone long gone is that he will not be there next year so you've got Jermaine Burton all of a, he's got rookie year opportunity here without Tyler Boyd. And if he should take advantage of that, he should be the wide receiver, too, for Joe Burrow next year. Tyler Boyd had his games and his times in Cincinnati.

Injuries to Chase and Higgins were frequent. And Jermaine Burton is a big play type of player. Yeah, big play. I won't be shocked if, you know, some of these guys are going to make plays early, and I think you're going to see them in waiver wires early because of it. So, Mike, you can go next with a wide receiver not getting enough attention. I am in – I am lockstep with you. I agree completely about this player.

I love him. But now you have to say his name. The player's name, it's Jalen Polk. I tried to give him a bit of a bump a couple weeks ago talking about how he's falling into third rounds of rookie drafts, and he was taken in the second round, 37th overall by the New England Patriots, and he goes right into a starting job. The Patriots depth chart is wide open.

Demario Douglas from last year, it was a fun rookie season, but it's like he's a slot guy where Polk should immediately go in to being an outside player. I feel like Polk's a slot guy where Polk should immediately go in to being an outside player. I feel like Polk's a slot guy. I don't think he'll get used like that, though. I mean, he's 6'1". He's thinner, 203, but to be 6'1", good breakout age. But that's a good enough size.

And at least the plan right now, I believe, for the Patriots with the actions is it's like moving forward, this is the new regime. They're hoping that it's Drake May and Jalen Polk are both hits, and they are the future of the offense. And look, scouting players is very difficult. I get it wrong. The entire fantasy football community gets things wrong. The NFL gets things wrong.

And right now, it just seems like everything is the nfl has gotten this terribly wrong polk is not good well what if what if he actually can play like what if it works out with him and drake may and this is instant week one opportunity like should be running the most snaps of the wide receiver core, and that's crazy. Great hands. Great contested catch. Watching him on film, he can play. Well, I don't know if it will translate to the NFL, but the opportunity plus getting to start with the quarterback,

everything is just so lined up that if he can, in fact, hang in the NFL, the value for the amount of targets that he is going to get for so cheap in rookie drafts, it still blows my mind. And if he hits, because obviously if Drake May ends up being a good quarterback, this is fantastic. If Polk hits, we can have unbelievable Polka music drums. I mean, the amount that the fantasy footballers can do with Jalen Polk. That's fair.

Is that what you're most excited for? We're rooting for you. I usually root for names that can be good nicknames. Like the Butterman. I don't even know who the Butterman is anymore. Who is the Butterman? Melton. Oh, Bo Melton?

Bo Melton. Why is he the Butterman? Because he melts like butter. Whoa. Yeah. No, I know. I know. I is he the butter man? Because he melts like butter. Whoa. Yeah. Whoa. No, I know. I know.

I wasn't here for that. No, that was a foot cast. Thank goodness. Polk, they did say, because it seemed like an early pick, right? He went 37th? Yeah. Jeff Howe from The Athletic had talked about the fact that there were multiple teams that were about to select Jalen Polk, and that's why they just took the shot at him at 37.

He did play inside Summit Washington, played outside, good hands, good opportunity. He was mocked by a lot of people into the first round. And then the name I'm bringing up is Roman Wilson, wide receiver for the Pittsburgh Steelers, third-round draft pick, a steal, in my opinion, by Pittsburgh, who loses Deontay Johnson, who have a new quarterback or two this season. And George Pickens cannot sustain the entirety of the passing offense here. Roman Wilson is a pro ready receiver. In my opinion, he comes in, he's an undersized guy, but he made every play at Michigan.

We've talked about the Steelers' general success in drafting wide receivers. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. They're so good at drafting wide receivers. Well, day two and day three wide receivers, we have Hines Ward in 98. Antoine Randall-El, that worked out. Mike Wallace, third-round pick. That was a tough one.

Yeah, I don't know why that was so tough Emmanuel Sanders Antonio Brown Martavius Bryant Juju which was a great pick at the time I know it's easy to dunk now but that was phenomenal James Washington that one didn't work out

but then Deontay Johnson Claypool who started hot and didn't work out and then Pickens and now Roman Wilson. Those are all the day two and day three. That's so wild, man. So that's a lot. Day two and day three wide receiver picks. Those type of picks have a very low hit rate,

and their hit rate is like 90%. So when you look at the NFL's hit rate, they're being buoyed by the Steelers. I dare you to name more Steelers wide receivers beyond George Pickens and Roman Wilson. Oh, on the depth chart right now? Yeah, go ahead. Oh, gosh, who did they just sign?

I want to say Devontae Parker, but that's – No. He's on the Eagles. I know what you're thinking of, but... Yeah. No, just try to guess. You're not going to look dumb. I promise. Yeah, this is what I mean. You would remember Calvin Austin, obviously.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's still there. Denzel Mims is on the roster. Sure. Scotty Miller's on the roster. Okay. Van Jefferson's on the roster.

Oh, Van Jefferson. Yeah, that was the one. Quez Watkins is on the roster. That was bothering me. I was Watkins is on the roster. That was bothering me. I was like, yeah, that's who it is. Right now, Van Jefferson is slotted as a starter. That's all Roman Wilson has to beat.

Roman Wilson is really good. He's got exceptional speed and I think the best or the second best hands in the draft class. And he is born and bred to be a stealer, in my opinion. Hard-nosed. Hard worker. Hard worker. Hard worker, yeah. I think they're going to fall in love with him quickly. So there you go. This is the guy that took a plane to school in high school every single day.

What? You don't know his story in Hawaii? Oh, to another island? He had to take a plane to another island every single morning and then fly back that night, take the bus transportation so that he could be at a school with this football program. It was like he was a – he's been a professional for a decade. Also, he flies free forever now.

I mean, the mileage he must have. Yeah. Interesting. Right in first class. Let's jump into some news news and notes from around the league well as of this recording we know that the chiefs will face the ravens to kick off the season that's awesome very fun and then uh tomorrow we'll get the full release of the schedule. That's also fun.

Cardinals signed Zay Jones, formerly of the Jacksonville Jaguars, to a one-year contract. I have always liked Zay Jones. I think he's a very good wide receiver, and he's going to fit in perfectly on a depth chart that needs a Zay Jones because they have Marvin Harrison and then Michael Wilson who's going to fulfill a depth role you know they hoped he could be the number two I think he could be the two but Zay Jones is a better real life wide receiver today than Michael Wilson when they looked at the depth chart and they're like, oh, guys,

as of right now, Greg Dortch is probably a starter. We can't have that. They just – they hate the Dortch. That's Dortch disrespect. Yeah, I agree. Every time he's on the field, he produces, but this team hates him. Last year, Arizona wide receivers ranked 29th in total fantasy points. Yeah.

Because they didn't have it. Because they didn't have wide receivers. Hollywood Brown vacates 19 percent of targets it's going to be I'm not saying you draft Zay Jones I'm saying he may you may be shocked to pick him up in waivers he'll be on plenty of waiver shows yeah yeah and if you're if you're doing a best ball league where you're going 18 deep Zay Jones is a great pick he's's going to have some touch. He's going to be on the field. This was a player who at this time of the off season, there weren't other veteran wide receiver options to add to your NFL roster, which is why he made the rounds. He went to Kansas City. I think it was Tennessee he went to. He picked Arizona. He wanted to play on a roster where he can walk right in and be a starter for a good quarterback.

And then we got a quote from Sean Payton, and it's the offseason, and it's Dynasty-related too. So let's just bring it up and talk about it. Sean Payton said, quote, We'll go by what we see when asked about the possibility of the team holding a running back competition this offseason, not committing to which running back will be the RB1. So he didn't come out and say, oh, no, Javante's our RB1 to start the offseason,

which a lot of coaches come out and say about their players. He says, who knows what we're going to get when summing up how things could play out. So, Javante Williams, Jaleel McLaughlin, Samajai Pirine. Technically, Samajai Pirine. I mean, 50 receptions. You cannot dismiss 50 receptions. That's just the right amount to ruin the other players. I'm saying technically because we'll see if Pirine's on the team. And then, Audrick, estimate. Samajai Pirine, it is really shocking or whatever words you want to use,

disgusting to realize how much football he played last year. I mean, you're telling me he had 56 targets. He had 50 receptions, and you don't remember them. They really didn't happen. It's unbelievable. But, yeah, I mean, we talked about the overreaction episode last episode, which was – and we disagreed on this one – was don't overreact to how Javante looked last year

coming off that catastrophic knee injury. And this – Do you want to know why I disagreed? No. Okay. Sure. Yeah, well, you asked. The main reason I disagreed with him, because I agreed with the other two examples.

Sure. The main reason I disagreed with Javante Williams is that I think that's very, very true of a player very, very established. But I don't view Javante Williams through that lens at the NFL level because he hasn't done it over a sustained amount of time. And because Sean Payton specifically brought in Jaleel McLaughlin, specifically brought in Samaj P. Ryan, and specifically brought in Otto Gastame and inherited Jav brought in Samaj P. Ryan, and specifically brought in Adrogestame and inherited Javante Williams, I have less confidence in that narrative. It makes complete sense. This quote of, we'll go by

what we see, I mean, this is basically good news if last year's Javante was because of the injury, was because he needed another year to work out, recover, get to full strength, because then what they'll see, like if Javante was, if he returns to what he was, that he's the dude. He was great.

Yeah, he was great. If this is a Chris Godwin situation where, you know, Chris Godwin came back really quick too from a knee injury we didn't expect him to be back from, and then he never got better. It was like he, you know, they didn't let him get all the way recovered. So, you know, TBD, we'll go by what we see. I was curious if Javante had better splits in the second half, but his yards per carry were worse

in the second half than the first half of the season. So that is not the case. Now, McLaughlin averaged 5.4 a carry, didn't get as many carries, let all running backs and targets per route run. Pirine caught a bunch of balls, and then you know, Javante profiles as the most complete back when healthy. So it'll be interesting to watch.

And then Audruc Estimé just sitting there waiting in the wings for things to shake out depth chart-wise. When we were discussing the pre-show, the different ways that this running back depth chart can shake out, it could be Javante, it could be giovante it could be samaj it could be estimate mclaughlin but mclaughlin is the only one that is involved in every situation however it shakes out so if you're in a dynasty league um you know he he could be a a sneaky a more valuable asset than he seems so then mike and and jason do you see what do you

do with giovante in a dynasty league right now? Are you in a position where you're so stuck with the disappointing season that shipping him off is impossible and you're just praying for the resurgence? I think you can trade him, but the value of what you would get for him right now to me is not worth it. Because maybe you can get a second for next year, maybe. I think you could get a second. But at this point, would you trade him for a second?

No. I wouldn't either. For a 2,025 second, no. I'd ride it out, and if it doesn't work out that it's Javante, then you just take your lumps. I'd rather shoot for the upside with him than get a second for next year. So hold and hope? Yeah, that's where I am.

Any other news that you guys have or want to discuss? Any rumors? Anything you have? I got nothing. Nothing? Nothing you have? I got nothing. Nothing? Nothing new breaking? Okay. We'll take a quick break and come back with some more Dynasty questions.

All right. Let's go ahead and dive in on this very fine, beautiful Dynasty Weekday to some Dynasty Mailbag. Mailbag. My old bag. Oh, it's Dynasty. You almost just said the end of that. You stopped the singing.

Well, it's sing-talking. Did we have, did Papa Josh do a mailbag drop on the show last week? I believe I heard that. You heard it? Happened. What did you think? Because you're the kind of. Oh, I didn't listen to it because I respect my ears.

Okay. It was actually. It was okay? It was pretty good. Oh, well then maybe I'll give it a listen. Relative to the other producers and what they've contributed in the past. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't hear what Andy's not saying.

It was pretty good by comparison, not in general. Like if all the fruit is moldy and then there's fruit with just a little mold, that fruit's the better moldy fruit. If you had to eat one, I'm eating the one with the least mold. Yeah, that's what we're saying. So he's a moldy oldie? Compared to the other moldy fruit, he was pretty tasty. All right.

Wait. All right. Dynasty questions here. There's some Dynasty tips questions. First one comes in from Beverly in Michigan. Help! With two exclamation points, so not just a standard help. What is a piece of advice for

just starting out in a dynasty league i have been playing fantasy football for a few years just signed up in a dynasty uh league with my son's husband and three of my brothers please help this old lady out that is what what Beverly the Lions fan says. Okay. Well, we give tips every year. My main tip is usually when you're starting out in Dynasty, so you're going to do a Dynasty startup draft, you're going to have to punt something, right? You can't be great everywhere, and if I have to punt something, I'm punting running backs.

The shelf life of them will turn over quickly, and the startup roster is going to be what your foundation has built upon for a long time. So I focus on wide receivers. I want as many young, established, proven commodity wide receivers that I can get on my roster. Do you agree with that, Mike? Yeah. I think you could definitely, if you build that foundation

and then you end up with some slightly older productive running backs, that you get late in drafts and you're running into the season with Kamara and Connor and Mostert and maybe one young name. It's exactly it of trading for real good wide receiver production, I've found that can be very difficult. And in rookie drafts and everything, where we're just replacing running back value of some kind to give you enough, it's much easier in the rookie drafts.

And then crazy things happen on the waiver wires more often to me for the running back position. And just trading for guys who are kind of at the end where their dynasty value is low, but their real value for that season is still pretty high. And don't overemphasize youth in totality as well. I think a good example of that, unfortunately, is Javante Williams, a player who the entire Dynasty fantasy community

was merely just begging to have at the tippy top of the list for the future. Yeah, it was going to be awesome. And it still could work out, but the likelihood is much lower, and you could end up having all that expectation and none of the reality and that happens a lot in dynasty whether it's juju or you know the guarantee even if like Garrett Wilson's career ends up staying where it is now compared to what people think it would be he's putting up

numbers like Deontay Johnson did and that's not the kind of outcome that you would have hoped for. So it's hard when it's all anticipatory. If all your picks are, I hope it ends up this way, you could end up in a difficult spot. Potential is great, but known commodities are better. All right. Next question comes in off of Instagram, C Jones 32, which rookie quarterbacks would you take over Trevor Lawrence in a dynasty league startup draft I love this I would say the Trevor Lawrence man like the expiration date on that

milk carton is starting to creep forward in terms of meeting the potential that people hope for and I don't think it's expired no no but it is uncomfortable shine is off. It certainly hasn't expired. We're like smelling to make sure.

Hey, can you give me a second opinion on this? Trevor Lawrence is going to play a long career. He's going to get another contract. He'll be fine for the NFL and in fantasy be a usable asset. There's no question of that. Whether he will ever be a sensational top tier fantasy asset. There's no question of that. Whether he will ever be a sensational top tier fantasy asset because he's throwing for 4,500 and 35, that seems like that's what you're smelling. You're like, I don't think that's going to happen. Do either of you think

that's going to, like, obviously it can happen, but do you believe that that happens? Do you think he levels up, played through a lot of injuries last year? Do you think he levels up? Played through a lot of injuries last year. Do you think he gets to a place where he's throwing 4,530 touchdowns? I think he is set up to have a Matt Ryan outlier season at some point, but most of the seasons are going to be like this.

I think he could have a special year here or there. He has, since coming into the league, he's averaged 19.3 passing touchdowns per season. Boo. While having the fourth most total passing attempts of any quarterback since coming in. Started 50 of 51 games.

So it has not happened. But now you have a retooling. You have Gabe Davis and Wow, you said that so sincerely. You said that like it was real. You said it like that was a real thing. You sounded like a man reading a teleprompter.

He's got Gabe Davis so they're retooling. Gabe Davis. Oh man. That's getting your tools from the swap mart. I think Brian Thomas tools from the swap mart. I think Brian Thomas is more like the lead. Brian Thomas is great. Yeah.

Try that again. Stay that sentence over. Get a tool in. Take out Gabe Davis. Honestly, what happened was all I could think of was Brian Wilson. Oh, you couldn't get the name right? So I was trying to buy myself a little bit. I know Gabe Davis is there. Okay. Who would you rather have as an and i was like well the beach boys are not playing for right the jags

no um but that brian guy would you rather have kyler or trevor lawrence if you're an nfl franchise starting today oh that's a really fun question. Not fantasy football? Not fantasy football. Probably Lawrence. Yeah, I think so. Okay. I was just curious because those are both number one picks that have not quite done enough to make you feel like the fan base has hit a home run. Yeah.

Right, 100% the same. But they're also not bad enough to where you're like, you do say, wow, I could be way worse off. The stat that Mike read last on Trevor Lawrence is the tiebreaker for me with Kyler. He's played 50 of 51 games, and he's had his own injuries. I mean, he's a tough guy. Whatever you want to say about his touchdowns,

which you can't say much good about it because he doesn't throw many. Caleb Williams or Trevor Lawrence? Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams. Jaden Daniels? Jaden Daniels. Yeah, I'll go Jaden. J.J. McCarthy.

That's where I'll probably take Trevor. Yeah, I'm fine going Trevor. Dak or Trevor in a dynasty? I'm taking Dak. Yeah, me too. He's only 30. I mean, how old is Kirk Cousins, by the way? Dak will be 31 this year.

Kirk will be starting the season at 36. Okay, so like you just invested a huge amount of money into a 36-year-old quarterback. Dak at 30 is not that ancient. I'd rather have a few premier years. 100%. Drake May?

The real question on which rookies would you take over trevor lawrence is jj mccarthy and drake may would you take you could throw bonics in there would you take any of those three over trevor lawrence i would not probably not i lean no as well drake may is so perfectly named because he may be all right he may not. He's just... Oh, I thought it was a Drake thing. Oh, well, no. Goodness, no. Let's jump into a voicemail question. Hey, Ballers.

Love the show. Just had a quick question. How exactly do y'all go about valuing rookies in a dynasty startup draft, considering that they've never played an actual NFL down. Thanks. Jason? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot that goes into it.

If you're evaluating rookies, we scout them personally. So we watch a ton of film and we declare our opinions are like, I think this guy's really, really good or he's average or he's below average. So you take some of that. You take a lot of historical data. You take draft capital, and you really look at, well, what has recent history shown us rookies doing? And then we try to essentially slot guys into that kind of expectation on production based on everything we see. I mean, right? So in the end, I don't know if there's, you know, something where this caller is wanting, like,

how do you actually value them compared to a startup draft ranking? You know, is the first rookie worth a third-round startup pick? You know. Mike, I think that this is one of the best aspects of Dynasty football or Dynasty fantasy football is that you get to call your shots of, I think that this player is going to be great. So, I mean, my advice is always don't get carried away

versus players who are not aging out and you know that they're great players but still have some fun like get guys who you believe in get guys you want to root for on your team so like valuing rookies over veterans you just everything that jason laid out and then also some of your own just like sometimes you got to go with just your gut of how you feel about a player because you're mixing in all of the variables. And like Jason said, playing the percentages of how players perform when drafted at certain draft capital spots over time is very important. Breaking news.

Well, we've got some money coming someone's way. Is it me? No, it's Jared Goff. I'm rich. Introducing a four-year $212 million extension. Oh, man, that sucks it wasn't me because that's a big contract. 170 guaranteed. And it's funny cause Jason annoyingly made me rank four terrible quarterbacks for dynasty

while we were in here earlier, just talking after the show. And he's like, I mean, this question was just terrible. It was super flex like backups, right it was joe flacco jamis winston um zach wilson zach wilson and hinden hooker and i and i put you know hooker at the bottom with zach wilson and i was like hooker's career is not gonna happen and then jared goff just signed a four-year deal so it won't happen in Detroit, barring injury. That's a lot of money. I think it's worth it. I think they're building their own machine there in Detroit,

and, well, he's only made $161 million so far, and now he gets $170 million on top of that. So he may own some of the Lions at some point. Did anybody see, you talk about dynasty when he was traded away from Los Angeles. Oh yeah. Yeah. And yes,

you know, the lions were condemned to have Jared golf as their quarterback, the aisle of misfit toys. And then now the lions were supposed to take a quarterback. That wasn't going to be, they were eating his salary. And then they did. They took Hinton Hooker.

And then it was like, oh my gosh, we've got a great quarterback. We've got our franchise quarterback of the future. And Hinton Hooker was dropped. Yeah, it's the right move. And that sucks for Hinton Hooker, man. How do you? Well, no, I mean, Hinton Hooker was what, a third-round pick? He was a third-round pick.

I mean, whatever. Well, I'm just saying – I mean, you don't get drafted in the third round with a guarantee that you're ever going to get a chance to start a game. Fair, but he also fell to the third because he was – No. Yes. Third round?

I'm just saying he was on his ACL, right? Yeah. I mean, to me, a third-round quarterback, you're drafting that guy to, if he's lucky, compete at some point in time. I agree. You don't get handed a starting job in the third round. Okay, you have to get –, a third-round quarterback, you're drafting that guy to, if he's lucky, compete at some point in time. I agree. You don't get handed a starting job in the third round. Okay, yeah. Third-round quarterback. I'm just thinking in totality. You're drafted in the third round of the NFL draft, and you may never start a game. Yeah.

That sucks. Yeah, that's fair. I'm looking over at Desmond Ritter going, come on, man. So there you go. Jared Goff in Dynasty now. What's the prognosis? I mean, in Dynasty, he's a top – he's for sure a top 15 guy. I'd say borderline top 12-ish.

But it's still Jared Goff. But what's nice about him is you know, we've known for years when you can play Jared Goff and the hit rate on following the process of Jared Goff is at home and he's against a bad secondary. Fire him up. It's been, it's felt fantastic. Would you rather have Goff or Tua in Dynasty? Oh.

We can predict Goff's good starts more i would rather have golf i'll go i mean i think there's two still has a higher chance of becoming an every week quarterback i don't think jared goff is ever going to become that for fantasy i got really curious and wanted to look up the last 10 third round quarterbacks and i'm going to read okay yeah yeah fun so uh desmond ritter yeah was the most recent davis mills before that yeah kellen mond okay will greer mason rudolph oh yeah cj bethard okay a lot of these guys started but they got to start jacoby brissett yeah Yeah. Sean Mannion. Oh, my Mannion. Garrett Grayson. Mike Glennon. I mean, most of

that list really did... They got to start some games. They got to play some games, but also... But he could get to start some later. NFL. Just, what are you doing? Stop drafting quarterbacks in the third round. Let me go to the next 10, though, just for the sake of.

Oh, there's still a third round? All third round. These are the last 20 third round picks. They're right at the first 10. 11 was Nick Foles in 2012. Russell Wilson. Okay. And then Ryan Mallett, Colt McCoy, Kevin O'Connell, Trent Edwards,

Charlie Whitehurst, Brody Croyle, Charlie Fry, and Andrew Walter. So they're all like that Russell Wilson pick Yeah I mean Russ was the only True Home run of that group and I would not say Foles was a home run No he was not a home run He went on a heater

He did Alright this question comes in from X From Reverend Muscle Daddy. Reverend Muscle Daddy. That sounds like a nickname for a running back at some point in time. Reverend Muscle Daddy. Oh, yeah.

Is Kenneth Walker a sell high right now is the question. That's Reverend. Yeah, no, that's not. Mr. Muscle Daddy. It's Reverend. Yeah. Reverend Muscle Daddy wants to know. Is Kenneth Walker a sell high?

He's had almost identical seasons over the last two years, which is true. I mean, he's had 189 and 184 fantasy points. Same points per game. Similar snap percentage in opportunities. They've been nearly exact in terms of being the same. And two missed games each year in totality they are very similar the the path of the rookie year was much different as the path of the rookie year was starting the year behind rashad penny eventually getting the job and then being like the rookie running back of the year. A sell high?

Oh, man. Maybe. I would not blame anybody at all for wanting to get out of Kenneth Walker. It could be – like this could be the best that we will ever see of Kenneth Walker. It's a good dynasty question. It really is. Because he's still – he's young. He's 23.6. He has done incredible things on the football field.

It seems like he is locked in as the starter for the Seattle Seahawks. Doesn't catch a bunch of passes. No. He's all big plays. It's hard to find that level. When he's hitting, that's not production you can just find. Would you rather have Kenneth Walker or Joe Mixon? Kenneth Walker. Wow. Joe Mixon's not good you can just find. Would you rather have Kenneth Walker or Joe Mixon? Kenneth Walker.

Wow. Joe Mixon's not good. Joe Mixon. That's a shocker for Dynasty. I assume that would be a unanimous Kenneth Walker. So when I look at running backs, I don't really care so much. I mean, I care to a good degree about age, but I care about contract length and how many years is left because,

you know, Kenneth Walker, let's say he plays this season and it's more of a split with Charbonnet now that Pete Carroll's gone. You know, we don't know what this system is going to look like with Kenneth Walker. Whereas Joe Mixon just got signed to an extension with CJ Stroud and the Houston Texans and the situation looks good. And I don't think Joe Mixon is not good. He's older and he's not as explosive as Kenneth Walker. Nowhere near as explosive as an athlete

nowadays, but his situation I think is much better. Jonathan Brooks or Kenneth Walker in a dynasty startup? Brooks. I'm okay going Brooks there. Mixon better hope that C.J. Stroud wants to throw in the ball a whole bunch. James Cook or Kenneth Walker?

I'll go Walker. I didn't hear that. Walker or James Cook? James Cook. Trey Benson. Kenneth Walker. Walker. Walker. Okay, one more. Rashad White or Kenneth Walker?

Ooh. Walker. Walker. Okay, one more. Rashad White or Kenneth Walker? Ooh. White. Yeah, I think that one might be Rashad White. So, to me, going through that, I think Kenneth Walker's a decent sell-high candidate, especially considering we don't know what this new offensive system will look like in Seattle. All right. Looking at the contract real quick, though, Jay Jay the Texans can get out

real easy next year if it doesn't work for Joe Mixon but it will my guy? I don't know about that we're at the stage we're statting right now there's some players that have been jumping out

how did you get Joe Mixon there where like last year stroud just didn't throw to the running backs and that's like joe mixon and his 3.8 yards per carry he needs 50 plus receptions where did you end up with joe mixon on your rankings uh joe mixon i ended up with him at running back 17. Okay, I'm higher than you. My guy? No, no, I've done that before with Joe Mixon. I was looking at our team profiles.

Houston Texans 30th in targets to the running back position. Now personnel can change that. Yeah, remember when Cam didn't do it? Yeah, again, personnel can change that. But if Mix cam didn't do it yeah no again personnel can change that but if you if mixon does not get those targets he's gonna be a colossal disaster mixon will get the targets because you you like andy said the personnel changes it also once devin singletary got that role and and you look basically from you know the last 10 games of the season he was on a 50 target pace devin singletary was i need more 50 targets i need 50 receptions well sure i mean basically from the last 10 games of the season, he was on a 50-target pace.

Devin Singletary was. I need more 50 targets. I need 50 receptions. Well, sure. I mean, I would love 150 targets, Mike. That would be great. But my point is – But it's enough for him to get in the end zone and get 50, 60 targets.

Yeah. I think he'll be north of 50 targets. I mean, how many targets did Kenneth Walker get in this discussion? Oh, yeah, no. I'm not arguing that Walker catches a bunch of passes, but he actually has juice, and he can get you a 50-yard touchdown. Yeah, Joe's not doing that. No, he is not.

I will 100% concede the point. Mixon is not. What is Mixon's longest run of this forthcoming season? Wait, what? Of the future? The future, yeah. What's going to be his longest run this year i thought you would miss spoken you really do want me to predict the future yes wow uh i think

he'll have a 24 yard run yeah i was gonna go 22 yeah i was gonna go in the mid 20s whatever whatever the angle will be it will be from the center of the field to the sideline over 24 yards all right quick break Back with some more questions. The incredible research team here has informed me that Joe Mixon went right tackle for 44 yards last year for his longest run of the season and then over the right guard for 22, up the middle for 20. But look, that is not the most important factor. James Conner was living in those exact type of numbers. Right, but it was only three total for Joe.

Of over 20? Yeah. Yeah. And who is his court? More than two, Mike. Who is his court? So. Let's jump into another voicemail question.

Hey, Ballers. I was wondering how I should value this current draft class versus future 2025 and 2026 draft classes. Thanks so much. Yeah, so this is something that dynasty managers, there's different lines of thinking and i think that the astute dynasty manager knows that the people who say that they know for sure what the future classes are going to be are not the real astute ones um we you know first of all always take a bird in the hand approach in dynasty a first round pick this year is worth more than a first round pick next year. By a lot. Always. Because you get an extra

year. You get production now. And on top of that those, unless it's a just a massive disaster for that player they're going to hold at the worst, they're going to hold their value of if you're

wanting to trade them next year to try and get some picks, if not increase their value because they actually got to play. Yeah, and that's not a 2024 is more valuable than a 2025. That's every year this year is more valuable than next year, which is more valuable than the next year. I've seen people give advice of, like, you should trade this year's first for next year's first because next year's draft class is better. We've done this long enough now. Sometimes it works. Sometimes you know that next year it's going to be a great draft class for this reason or that reason. By the time that

next year rolls around, an injury here, a breakout of a younger player there, a guy re-declaring for college. It just changes. It's really, really hard to accurately predict what's going to happen next year. Now, I would say that the quarterback position is a little bit more predictable. We knew that this year would have a handful of good quarterbacks. We hear right now that next year does not have as deep of an elite quarterback draft class next year. I would say even that changes, though, because you had – Yeah, like when Joe Burrow breaks out and no one expected him.

Joe Burrow, Jaden Daniels has – I can't imagine before the season started that people were saying Jaden Daniels was going to go number two overall. There was – I mean, not that long ago, Spencer Rattler was supposed to be the number one overall pick, and he was not. All right, this question from Noah Halloran. Is there a thing as having too many rookie picks?

Oh, is there such a thing? Yeah. Yeah, I read it verbatim. It was tough. So here is the problem with too many rookie picks, and sometimes you don't think about it. You do have to cut your roster for all the picks you've got. And then the guys without picks, like me, scoop those players up.

Thank you. So it's like sitting at the edge of the table. I am sitting there like a hyena waiting for the scraps of the lions to finish up on the carcass. And I'm like, ooh, Jaleel McLaughlin got dropped? You've got to look when you're making these picks and you've got to say, when I take this third rounder or this fourth round guy, is he more valuable than who I would be cutting from my roster for him? And oftentimes it's not, in which case, that's when, okay,

go ahead and trade that pick for a future pick because that one is not going to be on your roster. I've finished a draft before, a rookie draft, where I had to draft four rounds, and the fourth pick that I had in that draft was my drop. I literally just cut the player because I'm like, it's not as good as what my current roster was. YouTube question from Scott.

Trade Hollywood now, hold, or wait for potential higher trade value during the season? I actually have a good answer for this. Oh, I've got a bad one. Let's see if they're different. What if they're the same? Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. I would trade Hollywood Brown the day after Rashi Rice's suspension gets handed down. That's what I would do because it's coming,

and it's going to be four or six or eight or whatever. It's going to be some amount of games that gives people a pretty good amount of excitement over a Hollywood start to the year. I really do agree with that. I have trade now as my piece of advice, but that's even better. It's trade in the offseason, trade before the season because Hollywood might have been – this might have been the heel problem um that he

was dealing with last year he's a like he's a bad guy right we're right he really plays the heel I think he'll never be a one again yeah and but we watched him he was bad he was he was hashtag bad on the field maybe it was the foot and he's healthy and all that but he's on a one-year contract right now for Kansas City and Kansas City what does that tell you about how every other team views him yeah and he and they can't afford to pay him long term so if he if he comes out he's great he's going to go elsewhere if he comes out and he's bad then maybe he can stay in Kansas City for a while cheaply but then he's irrelevant so I think trading him now is and and actually waiting until the rushy suspension is great that's when his

value will begin to Darius Tony as I call it that's the that's what it's called when a non Tyree kale wide receiver begins to get publicity and buzz in Kansas City happen with MBS happen with Skymore yep yep I'm in agreement of let let the market simmer for now. A few moments ago, Kyle Borgogin puts Hollywood Brown on the trade block. Yeah, this advice should be acted on immediately. All right, IG question. I'm curious about this one. Well, I'm curious for more than one reason now because it comes in from a handle.

Alcoholic ostrich. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. You're not flying. His head's not in the sand, guys. It's in the bottle. It's in the bottle. Oh, what?

I didn't get my swish out. What would you give up to acquire Derrick Henry for a championship push? Well, this is good because, Mike, you have him in Dynasty. You won a championship. You would love a back-to-backer. I would. You know, what would you take to get rid of Derrick Henry? And maybe you're not the right person because you are.

I am not the right person to ask the question because I could share with you my other running back options options and then you will say you should not. Kenneth Walker right? Well Ken Walker and Derrick Henry are the starters. That's it. And then hold on. Oh I want to hear this. I think your running back three might be Clyde.

Please. No no no no hold on hold on. We got Alexander Madison. We got Clyde Edwards-Alaire. We have Audrick Estimé. We've got Clyde Edwards-Alaire. Yeah. We have Audrick Estimé. Oh, this is why you're rooting hard. Markets moving.

Ty Chandler, whose hopes and dreams were destroyed because of stupid Aaron Jones. No, I don't think so. The dreams of him being the starter. Yeah, the dreams are dead. No, Ty Chandler is still going to play. Yeah. And then Evan Hull. I have a bunch of backup running backs. That is so encouraging to me, being in that league with you,

knowing now where your greatest weakness is. Because that's where everyone's greatest weakness is, except for Jason. That is very true. I think Derrick Henry is worth a first, and a first is worth Derrick Henry. It's like a match made in heaven depending on your league. If I'm making a push for a championship, I'd happily give up a first for Derrick Henry. Your first is going to be a low-end round one if you're a championship-continent team, and you get this year versus a future year, and you can win a championship.

Andy, did you notice whose name was not in that list? Whose name? A.J. Dillon. Because you dropped him. Because I cut him. I sent him to the waiver wire. How does that feel to be on this side? It felt great.

Wow, you don't have to blindly, like. That's right. You're against him now. That's right. I said no more more and then when someone and then old owl spent 18 offseason fab on him i said enjoy i saw that you said enjoy fab on aj oh he's a packer fan of course he did i have derrick henry curiously enough at 17 on my redraft oh how many how many studies did you give him uh derrick henry has 11 rushing touchdowns okay i've got derrick henry at 11 right now so i

still see him as an rb1 this year for the ravens the gus bus had so many touchdowns last year the opportunities will be there for him i think we'll see an opportunistic but finally slowing down Derrick Henry in Baltimore. Would you be willing to trade a first for Derrick Henry if you're a championship competing team? I would trade my first for Derrick Henry, yeah. Well, I mean like next year's first? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And the truth is, if you're not a championship competing team,

trading Derrick Henry for a first is a good deal. That's why I'm saying this is like a match made in heaven. Yeah, you're right. Derrick Henry in every dynasty league right now should be either on a championship winning team or traded for a first because someone will do it. It's a good point. You have to be a little bit more just next level on your trade offers. You've got to find the teams that are making a push,

find the teams that need the players that you have to be able to get value for them in a dynasty league. And that's what Thursday's show is all about. We're doing trade for and trade away players for dynasty leagues. Those are fun. We're doing trade tips. Those suck. Maybe I can pull off some sort of trade in Dynasty before then.

I did have to reject an offer this morning. Ooh, let's hear it. It was an attempt to trade me, I think it was Amari Cooper coming my way. Okay. And I give up Lockett and a one, two, three. Oh. So we all know who that trade offer came from. that'll do it for today's episode of the show but like i said join us again thursday dynasty week and head over to footclang giveaway.com win that devon hn jersey goodbye

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