Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Dynasty Pitfalls + Rookie Sleepers, Mix it Up! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 5/15

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

Fantasy Football show for May 15, 2025. Dynasty Week rolls on! Which rookies aren’t getting enough attention? What are common dynasty mistakes to avoid? Plus, player trade values and tips for dynasty fantasy football drafts! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.Get the lowest price on the 2025 UDK at UltimateDraftKit.com - Instant access to the Dynasty Pass with the UDK+(00:00) Introduction(4:00) Quick Question - Late round rookie sleepers(06:50) Jalen Milroe(09:00) Bhayshul Tuten(13:30) NFL News(18:35) Dynasty Mailbag(19:05) Similar tier WR differentiations(24:05) Common dynasty pitfalls(28:15) Trying to trade for Ja’Marr Chase(30:15) Trading Ashton Jeanty for CeeDee Lamb(33:05) What do I do with Jayden Reed?(38:50) Kyren Williams for Tyreek Hill + 2027 1st(46:05) Trading away on of my Ravens TEs(48:40) What do I do with TJ Hockenson?Connect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast. That's the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Don't be nasty. I'm your host today. I'm the captain now. It's Mike, the Fantasy Hitman right with my best friend, Jason. Two best friends. Daddy's gone. Daddy's gone. Foot Clan, we're going to do and talk about whatever we want today. Well, not, I mean, dynasty.

Well, that's what we talk about whatever we want today. Well, not, I mean, Dynasty. Well, that's what we want. I guess it is. Yeah, I wanna talk about Dynasty today and you know what? We just made a Dynasty trade. We sure did and I was looking through this and it's gonna come into the show via one of the questions. Okay, so stand by. We will talk about our trade. It is Thursday, May 15th. Welcome in, everybody. It is the second day. It's the final day of Dynasty Week, the fifth annual.

Technically it is not. It is the final show of Dynasty Week. But Dynasty Week for the Dynasty Week giveaway will actually go through until our next show on Tuesday. So if you want to check that out at FootClanGiveaway.com, you can enter to get that Nico Collins signed jersey. The ultimate draft kit. We are 17 days away from the official unveiling of the 2025 UDK June 1st. It's hot. It's good, man. Our initial stat runs are completed. Our initial lists for sleepers, breakouts, bust values, those things are completed. And you can check all of those things out on June 1st,

should you want to pick up the UDK, which is ultimatedraftkit.com. It is the lowest price. Because it's pre-order right now, it will go up on June 1st, so I suggest for some, you're gonna grab it, you're gonna dominate your draft. Might as well save some cash right now. Yeah, save some quiche while you're doing it, ultimatedraftkit.com. Before we get into the actual quick question though, Jay, we must introduce the week. Welcome to Dynasty Week.

Does a good intro. Also, yes. So the fearless leader, Andrew Holloway, he goes off today. But don't worry. The Cardboard Bear extraordinaire, Jay Grizz, he's back. I'm Jay Grizz. Oh my God. I'm Jay Grizz. I forgot about it. Jay, I feel like Jay Grizz has been hibernating for so long,

I forgot to get his own theme song. No one's missed the show in a while, but the sickness gets everybody sometimes, and Andy's down. So the quick question for today, look it's dynasty week, rookie fever, we all got it. Maybe that's what Andy's out with. Oh yeah, he's like rookie 105.5 degrees.

I would go to the hospital for that. But if you remember Jason, he declared that he's probably a rebuilding team now. Oh no, so he's going to have rookie picks. Yeah, he's going to have actual rookie fever. I've gotten a few trade proposals. He's trying to cash some value, get those rookie picks so he can actually rebuild. But speaking about rookies for this year, who is a later round rookie pick not getting talked about enough? Well I will bring up Andy's answer first because he he was prepared for the show. It's it's a rookie tight end for the Jets. Mason Taylor and I know

you hate Mason Taylor. No I hate it because look we all have him we all have him statted at a point that yes, we need to be talking about Mason no dog Taylor. You don't like that he is not a tackle breaker and he doesn't seem like he has that dog in him. It's not a question about doesn't seem. Okay, so he doesn't, I'll just grant you no dog in that guy. Thank you.

But you don't have to have the dog to get a bunch of targets. DNA test, 100% no dog. So, well, I mean, DNA test, I don't know about no dog in the DNA. He is the son of a Hall of Famer with plenty of dog in him. So maybe it's just a young pup in there. But Mason Taylor drafted very high and finds himself, and I liked his tape a lot more than you did. You were so put off by the lack of Dog. I just saw a pro ready, gonna be where he's supposed to be. I mean, he might be one of those catch it and fall down type of guys, which is strange for this age.

Yeah, we call it the Zach Ertz. Yeah, but Zach Ertz can be relevant for fantasy. I know, I know. You could call it... Zach Ertz has Dog. I'll put that out there. All right. I'll stop saying that. Tyler Conklin is gone. That is a lot of targets. That's 72 targets, 51 receptions at the tight

end position that's gone, but it's not just him. Devontae Adams is gone. It's Garrett Wilson and then question marks. Mesa Taylor has an opportunity to come in and be good. We all have him projected for 70 plus targets, which is crazy high for a rookie, and we did that independent of one another. So I think it's a name that's a third round or even an undrafted sometimes rookie pick that isn't talked about enough right now. Yeah. So right now, where it stands right now with the UDK and the stats, which by the way, if you're newer to the show, the Ultimate Draft Kit, we update this to kickoff.

So that's why when I said we're done with our initial run, it's because the initial run is done right now and that thing will stay alive, living and breathing throughout the offseason as news updates. But rookie tight ends who have had 70 or more targets with 50 or more receptions over the last decade, it's a very small list. It's Evan Ingram, it's Kyle Pitts, Pat Friar-Muth. The Muth. Oh man, remember when the Muth got lewd?

Oh, he was lewd. What a year. Sam Laporta, Dalton Kincaid, and Brock Bauer. So it is a very small list. But I agree. He's in a situation where someone has to step up for this team. And he could be a pro ready guy, talking about Mason Taylor.

But college career, he was a 10.1 yards per reception. That's the lowest rate for any tight end in this class. So you can make your own assumptions from that. Jason, who do you want to talk about? The player that I am bringing to the table is Jalen Milrow, quarterback that got drafted to the Seattle Seahawks. This is a guy that isn't getting talked about a ton

because he's not a starter, he doesn't have a job. And Sam Darnold just got that money. He got paid, so they drafted him as a backup. But for fantasy football, this is a player who has a path ahead of him. Sam Darnold is essentially on a one-year trial deal. They can move on pretty quickly. Sam Darnold can go out there and take the bull by the horns,

show that he's a great, you know, leveled- up quarterback, and then Jalen Milrow is nothing. Or Sam Darnold can go out there, still play even pretty good, and have a few games where he collapses and at the end of the season, kind of like what happened last year, and then all of a sudden it's not his job. Or Sam Darnold could just go out there and suck, and then they go, well, let's see what we got in the rookie. Because Jalen Milrow is, I mean, 65 runs of 10 plus yards over the last two years.

There were a lot of general managers and scouts during the draft season talking about how Jalen Milrow might be the best, the best runner over the last several years. And we've had great mobile quarterbacks, but this guy is a runner. And if you look at him as a passer, he's definitely more accomplished than Anthony Richardson. Anthony Richardson's last year at Florida was 53% completion percentage. Jellon Milrow at Bama, 64.3. And the knock on him

is he's not a great passer. But he's a great runner. He has a path towards, I think, finding starts, and if he gets the opportunity, he will be in fantasy lineups. Like if he, if it's like, oh, Darnold goes down for a week. Yeah, stream of the week will be Jalen Milro. Exactly, because that rushing upside, you know he's gonna get the ball in his hands, you know, and carry the ball a lot. So I think,

you know, he goes undrafted in pretty much every single single quarterback dynasty league and he should be rostered. Yeah, I agree. I think you should pick him up. And I want to talk about Basial Tooten. Are we good? I'm telling you, are we really doing this? I don't know yet. But there is a chance that if this man has a 10 year career, I will do it every time. Like forever. I don't know yet. So Beishul. Smart, smart. He was around four picks. It's a day three running back. Odds are already stacked against him. We know that historically, if you're drafted on day three as a running back, your chance of ever turning

into anything of fantasy relevance for us, it's very low. But of the guys who are being drafted later, he's in a position where things could change rapidly for him, number one, just setting the table of who he is 59 206 smaller like I'm a little bit bigger, but that's not the end like this is this is not Where you're not five nine one ninety you're not look like oh man Devon H in he's way too small and So so Bayshul is at a point where it's alright, but he's fast. A 4-3-2 at the combine. There was a quote, I had never seen this question, but Kyle put it in, and I like it.

And he was asked, when was the last time you were not the fastest person on your team? Basheul said, that's never happened. Which, I mean, that's just fun. He hit a production profile in terms of receptions in college that we see from guys who turn into actual real fantasy players and it's about where did he go? Well he went to the Jaguars. The Travis ETN has seemingly fallen out of grace with a lot at least the fantasy community. Oh yeah we all hate him. Last year what the product he was putting on the field, it was not great.

We saw it turn into a much larger time share with Tank Bigsby. Tank Bigsby was the butt of all jokes. And then Tank comes in and has actually a pretty good year. Not in the passing game. Tank Bigsby is exclusively a grinder. But what are they gonna do with Travis ETN? Like does-

Yeah, I mean, ETN last year for context here, ETN, they basically split him and Tate Bigsby pretty much split the carries for the same team behind the same offensive line, and yards per carry's not everything, but Travis ETN was sitting down there at 3.7, whereas Tank was at 4.6. The pass catching back was Travis ETN. And so if he's inefficient

as a runner and slowing some things down and then they get tooting in, then I think there is a chance he takes over some of the passing work, which will hurt ETN, but also gives the path for fantasy goodness. Yeah, I think there is a path where it's Tank Bigsby and it's Tootin'. That's who the runners are for Jacksonville. We just saw Liam Cohen.

Now, he wasn't the head coach, but we saw him with Bucky Irving, a day three running back, say, no, he is the best player. Rashad White is ineffective, we can't keep giving him the volume over and over. We gotta get someone with juice out there. So I was saying, there's a chance that Tooten ends up becoming that player.

In rookie drafts, I tend to shy away from the, at least with my first or my early seconds, I shy away from the, at least with my first or my early seconds, I shy away from this type of a profile. But his in particular, because of the scenario around him, makes him very interesting. And I think worth taking in the second round. I agree with what you're saying, but I still wouldn't overdo it.

No, no, no, no. I wouldn't take him over a day two wide receiver. which I did not so other than maybe Tesla. So the law Yeah, Tesla the in ours in our in our main dynasty league. I Had two picks that were very close together. I think it was just Josh I don't know if you remember Josh, but in between where I went I ended up with Pat Bryant and Kyle Williams So Pat Bryant third down to by the Broncos Kyle Williams third rounder by the the Patriots and in between where I went, I ended up with Pat Bryant and Kyle Williams. So Pat Bryant, third-rounder by the Broncos, Kyle Williams, third-rounder by the Patriots,

and in between, Josh took Tooten. And, you know, after the draft, I was very happy about it. Now, I kinda wish I would've gone Kyle Williams and Tooten, but, I mean, we'll definitely have to wait and see. We got lower probability, I think, on all of those guys. But for a day three running back, he should definitely be on your radar. All right, let's move into some news. News and notes from around the league. Oh, yeah. They call him the king. So if you've been with the show for any amount of time,

there was a moment last year where Derek Henry was a free agent and I had done the kind of a cardinal sin of dynasty of I traded for a really old running back because I was trying to make a championship run and so I traded for Derek Henry and then he had no job and it was like what is going on and all the rumors were Baltimore was gonna sign him but it just it kept stretching to a point where it became really uncomfortable or Dallas and then he signed with Baltimore, and it was just fists pumped in the air for all dynasty managers with Derek Henry on the team. And we pumped the fists again.

It was a running back two. As the old man signed a two-year contract extension, it seems he will average more than 15 mil a year. 25 million fully guaranteed. So this is a legit two-year deal This is so awesome. Most of the time when you see two-year deals for running backs It's really a one-year deal. This is a two Derek Henry will be there starting running back for two more years, which is at His age impossible. Yes, but I mean for Derek for Derek you don't bet against this guy You don't do the age the carry count. There aren't people like him. He's a one-of-one. No, no

there are not there are not guys of his age changing teams and then finishing as the running back to him and and Watching him play. This was not you know, my my gripes always with Joe Mixon are like, ugh, you're just getting the ball over and over and they have no one else. Like, King Henry was getting the ball over and over and he was awesome. Yeah, I mean, if it wasn't for Saquon, I mean, I think people don't realize how good Derek Henry was last year because of Saquon. Like, Saquon was

going to break the rushing record, you know, it was like, and then he wasn't given that opportunity. I mean, Derek Henry wasn't that far behind it. 1,921 yards. And I know we've talked a lot about the amount of carries that Saquon has received and the amount of yards. When you have a running back that goes over 1,500 yards, the next year, it is very rare for them to repeat that. It's really only happened once. It was Derrick Henry! Yeah, I'll bet on him again.

Yeah. I'll do it again. So this is just great news. And for a dynasty, I mean, goodness gracious, every single Derrick Henry manager out there is just no pants. If you're like, oh oh I get at least two? Yeah.

I get two tries with Eric Henry? That is incredible. I know I hit the news button, but that's really the only news we're going to cover. Yeah, that's fine. I know that John Morton, the Lions offensive coordinator is calling for a, he says it's going to be a breakout year for Jameson Williams. I know Andy very much agrees with that. My projections for Jameson Williams were also very positive.

I'm not... it's hard to, you know, put together the puzzle of we're getting this where we were getting all those rumors leaked out before the draft of Jameson Williams seems like one of the prime trade-away candidates. Obviously not traded, so he'll be difficult, but his profile is trending in a very positive direction. But the addition of Tesla, was this a, we're getting prepared to lose Jameson Williams? In the draft, that's what it felt like.

I do not know what to do with Tesla. I don't either. He is the weirdest prospect I think in the last five years. Draft him with the last pick in the third round of your rookie drafts and let him sit there and see what happens. Yeah. So weird to have that kind of draft capital on a great team, that kind of athleticism. And then it's like, but is he good? Like, it doesn't matter if he's not a good wide receiver. Yeah, it's weird, because his dominance was, I don't know if it was a Juco or just a, I don't know what the classification was

before he moved to Arkansas, which then he moved, and then, yeah, Hillsdale College. Thank you, Kyle. Hillsdale, that's in Back to the Future and then go to you transfer to an actual big boy school and do nothing and you do nothing. I mean you have a couple highlight plays but really no production to speak of so he's very difficult. We're gonna hit a quick ad break and we will be back with the dynasty mailbag. It's dynasty time. It's mailbag time. Mailbag. It's dynasty.

All right. If you'd like to ask us a question, you can visit the website, click on the submitted question. We often put out calls on the social media, as well, asking for questions when we know we will be answering quite a few of them. Or we do have a voicemail hotline. You can call that at 302-464-TFFB, and we have one voicemail. We're gonna answer that question right now. Hey, Vol, this is Mikey from Manhattan. How do you differentiate between prospects

that are seemingly flotties in ADP, looking at guys like Higgins, Beck, Kyle Williams, guys like that, how do you differentiate between them? Thanks. So the question, yeah, so similar feeling, tiered type of wide receivers. How do you end up ranking them in the specifics? Where Jaden Higgins, he was drafted by the Texans

in the second, Jack Besh, who we all on this show in our Dynasty podcast universally love, he was a second round pick, and then Kyle Williams, who went in the third, was not projected to go there. So, J.D., how are you looking at this type and then these three specifics? When you've got similar art types, there are a handful of tiebreakers for me. I'm going to think, what did I think of the prospect? Did I hate one of them and love one of them? That's probably going to flip it first and foremost. Because whether I like the prospect

or didn't like the prospect, a lot of times has to go with their production profile and their age and their film. So it's kind of those three things. When you look at these guys specifically, Jayden Higgins, Jack Besh, Kyle Williams, they're 22.4 years old, 22.4 years old, and 22.8 years old. So there's no tiebreaker there. They all had similar draft capital. Obviously Higgins and Bess were better draft capital, so they're going to be ahead of Kyle Williams here. And then the final thing comes down to, well, what's the opportunity? What's the spot? What's the quarterback? And

so if I look at those, I mean, Jayden Higgins, right when the draft was over, I was like, that was a great landing spot for him, but he's got Jaylen Noll, who I think- Well, went after him. Who went the next round. But I liked Noll as a prospect better coming in. So I was like, OK, two rookies coming in. I'm not even sure which one I like better. But then statting out the UDK and going and doing the work

and looking at formations and stuff like that, it's like, OK, just lay it out. You've got Nikol Collins on one side. The other side of the field is almost definitely going to be Jayden Higgins. It's Jayden Higgins, yes. And then you're going to have Jalen Noll and Christian Kirk kind of fighting over that slot role, and they'll all mix in and move over a little bit. It's not all black and

white like that, but Jayden Higgins projects right now to be a day one, full-time wide receiver not leaving the field very much for a young, great quarterback. So I like Besh more as a pre-NFL draft prospect. I liked him better. But the opportunity and the landing spot for Higgins, I think I've flipped now. And I'll take Higgins ahead of Besh and Kyle Williams. Yeah, I like that, talking through that process. Link me to a young quarterback who seems like, like Stroud will be the Texans quarterback until,

until he's done playing. Gino is, you know, thankfully Besh finds himself in a situation where now the Raiders have a quarterback. Gino is a good quarterback. I won't hear otherwise. He's accurate, yes. He's accurate. I mean, he's fine enough for DK Metcalf.

He was fine enough for JSN. Supported a great season from Tyler Lockett. But he's also gonna play at 35 years old this year. So what's their future plan? Their future plan is not Gino Smith. CJ Stroud is their current and future plan. Yeah, so a couple quick notes for that. Jack Besh, on the opposite side of the field is Jacoby Myers, who is a very underrated wide receiver and will be... Was he officially

in our values for the UDK? No, we can't release them. Well, we got to... He is, yeah. You got to tease. Yeah, he is... First one's free. Give a little bumpsky. You gotta tease. Yeah, he is. First one's free.

Give a little, little bumpsky. Little taste. Yeah, no, Jacoby Myers is of value this year. But he's under his final year. He's playing under his final year, and so like, Besh could be the future of the wide receiver position for this, and then the final thing I'll say about Kyle Williams,

where he- Rookie for the Patriots. Yeah, thank you. He ended up not being a huge reach for the New England Patriots based off of mock draft information, which I've seen studies, like a good friend of the show, JJ Zacharyson, he kind of turned me onto this

of looking at players who on You know mock drafts, which we're all we're all pretty dumb when it comes to mock drafts We're talking real NFL but players Who were being mocked at a certain area and then a team goes and gets that player like they wait? They've reached for that player. They're tooting it it is It turns out bad Generally speaking for those players. It's not a tremendous hit rate, but the Kyle Williams gap did close over the final month. So not as much of a reach, but yeah, I'm going to take draft capital of the second round

and I'm going to take a situation of Jaden Higgins for those three guys. All right, got another question here. It says, what are some common pitfalls that you see in dynasty leagues and drafts? Yeah, so if you get the Utica Plus, we do have a whole dynasty tips section in the dynasty pass. Can't cover everything here, but the number one tip that I would say to avoid, the pitfall that I see happen, is swinging the pendulum too far because it's a

dynasty league and changing your, you know, like I only draft youth. Basically, I see managers that are, they go so young and so promised and so potential-oriented that they never actually get it together. They never end up with a roster that can compete and win a championship. And then you see other people that are just like, I'm going to take all the value on the veterans, and then they don't think about the age. So it's really just the extremes on the outside. If you're going to put together a good dynasty roster, you need to have veterans and youth. And I think too often people think like I'm, they put themselves in a box.

They're like, I am a rebuild, or I am a contender. And so it's like, I only want one piece. But really in dynasty, you just need to be going for value at any age, and then you want people that can perform now and perform in the future. That's the one thing I think when I look at great rosters in dynasty leagues, they always have a mixture. I'm always like, oh, they got this stud veteran, this stud veteran.

Oh, they got that young guy and that young guy. I look at all the bad teams and they're just like, oh, but look at the youth. Oh, but look how my average age is 22 years old. Any day now. Right. So it's like, if I had to criticize one more than the other, I think it would be overdoing the youth. OK.

Caring too much about age and not about production. I liked the phrase of people put themselves in a box because I think people do that with who they want to trade for. Dynasty can be tricky of you get caught up in a name. Oh man, I gotta go get this player. Instead of zooming out and saying, I need this type of a player.

And being more open to more players who fit into that mold so you can go to more teams and figure out where does a trade actually make sense? Because there'll be teams, like Jay, you just told me, like I went to your team to try and make a trade and it just, we weren't compatible for what you were trying to do. I was looking to capitalize on Breeze Hall's early success,

still youth and name and try to trade Breeze Hall for a young running back in a pick or maybe one of the incoming rookies that I think might be better. And then I looked at your roster, and you've got good running backs, but it's like. I got ARP running backs. Yeah, you've got Christian McCaffrey and Derek Henry.

It's like that doesn't. It's gonna be great. It just didn't fit what I was trying to achieve. Right, and so when you opening, but that's like you have, you know what you're looking for. It's not a specific player. So when you get locked in, so if you would come to my team and you're like, I want this player, because we're not as compatible with trading, one of us, either we're just going to talk for hours and the

trade is going to go nowhere, or someone is going to end up paying more than they want to pay for that trade to go through. Whenever you're locked in on a guy, you're always going to overpay. What is it? And sometimes, every now and then that's okay, but you just got to know, like, I'm willing to overpay. I'm determined on that guy. Yes.

Yeah, sometimes you got to- Know you're in the box. Sometimes you got to swing, and sometimes you swing and you get CD Lamb the year he breaks out. Sometimes you swing and you get Crystal Lave from last year. I've done one of those things. Not the Olave version. That's alright.

I did it last year with Drake London. You did. I think you stole Drake London. Next question is from off of IG from Spencer Borschelt. What is it take to trade for a player like Jamar Chasen Dynasty? Thanos has your answer. I mean, what did it cost? Everything. I mean, you can't trade for Jamar Chasen. Yeah. You know, it's funny because whenever I see a Dynasty question of which side do you like,

and I see, you know, it's like, okay, Jamar Chase, and then I'm like, done. Like, every now and then, you'll finish reading that question and go, oh, okay, okay, but it's really gonna take an overwhelming offer. It's so much. It's gonna take something where it's like, you better have an abundance of riches. I mean, to me, it would require I'm getting CD Lamb or Justin Jefferson plus. And people aren't looking to trade CD Lamb and Justin Jefferson plus stuff.

So I don't know. I think, you know, Jamar Chase should just be thought of as untouchable. I mean, go try to acquire him. The thing is, either a team feels strong enough that they're gonna make a run, and they're gonna say, no way, Jamar Chase, I'm trying to win a championship this year, and that's about the best player I can have on my team to win a championship. Or you go to someone who's rebuilding.

Like, no way. And you're like, no way, this is the best rebuilding wide receiver you could possibly have. Yeah, what you need to do is, right now, go look in your league, if you're not the Jamar Chase manager, Jamar Chase manager, and then you look at that team and you say, okay, what do I know about that guy? Oh, he's a Packers fan.

Oh, he's a Cowboys fan or he's whatever. How can I try to swindle him out of Jamar Chase, offer a huge package, and then see if you get lucky? Otherwise, move on. Next question is Tyler off of IG said, trade Ashton Genti for CD Lamb. Okay, I know my answer. So this is pretty philosophical. It is, and I'm, you know, for me it's very, very easy, so I'm curious where you stand.

Is that a difficult question? I think it's difficult because it feels a whole lot cooler to have Ashton Gentry on your roster right now. He's the hotness. He's the new hotness. He should be like this perennial top five fantasy running back for the next three to five years. Should be. But CD-LAM is that. And CD-LAM is... There's a five year age gap. CD-LAM is 26 and Ashen Gentile is 21.

Oh man. So I guess you start with the question with how many years do you feel like CD lamb has left to be a top producer for Okay, if you're gonna so four years for and then Genti is like five or six Yeah, but I would it doesn't matter what running back if we're talking right at the beginning. I'm not Don't count those chickens. Ever with the running back. No, you say, okay, he. I say, I hope I get three. He's generational, maybe he plays like Saquon Great

at age 28, and you get seven years, that could happen. Maybe he's Todd Gurley, who's also great. Yeah. And is the number one running back in fantasy football, and it goes, poof, and vanishes into thin air. Running backs you cannot count on the second contract. That's why I like the age thing with R.J. Harvey. Yeah.

He's older, and that's not great. It's fine for this first run. But the first contract is what I care about the most. So to me it's an easy CD-LAMP. I want the wide receiver over the running back in dynasty formats. I've got, if this was a startup draft, I'm drafting a handful of wide receivers before I,

I'm gonna take Pook, I'm gonna take Malik Neighbors, I'm gonna take Brian Thomas Jr., I'm gonna take Amon Ross St. Brown before I start taking Bijan, who I have ahead of Gentie. Yeah, is Ashton Gentie, is he Bijon, or is he Leonard Fournette? Like when you had the 101 and you got Leonard Fournette because he was taking what, fourth overall

in the NFL draft, it was, Kyle, you can vet me on that one. But it was, like that one felt fantastic. Yeah, fourth overall for Leonard Fournette. And he was- And he was good. He was good. Oh man, the dump truck! Yeah, that's the thing. He had to turn into the dump truck. That's where things got with Leonard Fournette very quick. He could just grab the little dump offs with that badonkadonk and he wasn't good, but he was fine enough for fantasy. This next question's from Gallywag8 off of IG.

What do I do with Jaden Reed? Rebay Packers, wide receiver, he's entering year three, he just turned 25. And here we are. The Packers, look, the Matthew Golden in the first round, Savion Williams in the third round, which Williams is a different type of wide receiver. Apparently, we are told through the grapevine that I think the drafting of these wide receivers

ruffled some feathers in the Jayden Reed camp and they had to meet. Well, Drew Rosenhouse is his agent and and so he ain't gonna stand for that. He wants another big contract here soon. I like how they said they had to meet to talk about his, to make sure that he knows his role is secure, and it was like, his role is a part-time player. Yeah, his role is, his role's not gonna change.

His role's a 60% snap slot wide receiver. Yeah, and basically what they told him. He's a good player, let's start there. Basically what they told him is, he's still their number one wide receiver. Still. It was like, oh, I was? I was the number one?

That's awesome. Yeah. You didn't play the snap counts like, Jayden Reid is a very good player. Finished as rookie season, top 24 wide receiver. He is very frustrating. Yes. This year, I imagine he will be even more frustrating. Adding Matthew Golden, having Romeo Dobbs still on the roster,

Dontavian Wicks still on the roster, adding in Savion Williams, having Tucker Kraft. There are so many mouths to feed. All of these people will make the roster and all of these people will play snaps. This is the type of offense where they are rotating in different packages and you're gonna have some awesome games, two touchdown games from Jaden Reed. And you are gonna have so many games

that absolutely blow chunks and hurt you. I don't, I mean, put it this way. I haven't heard that one in a while. He was the wide receiver 26. His consistency rating is a D. 35% of his games that he hit are threshold of 10 and a half fantasy points. 35, the vast majority of time you are unhappy with him. And now

there is the chance that Matthew Golden, I don't think Matthew Golden is that dude, but there is the absolute chance that Matthew Golden, a very good athletic, now first round wide receiver in the NFL draft, comes in and takes that number one spot that apparently was Jaden Reed. So Jaden Reed has a place, I view him going forward as a bench player who I'm gonna start in the matchups I want. I mean, that's what I hope. I mean, depending on how good your roster is. So this was our roster.

This was a trade we just made today. I didn't even know about this question. We got offered an offer for Jayden Reed. And we were like, huh, do we do this? And the offer, it might sound crazy at first, it was Tyree Kill incoming for Jayden Reed. It's the one for one swap. And so the stage of that,

this is a team that Jason and I managed together, and this team is very old. Jaden Reed was like one of our only youthful pieces. Uh huh. Well, we've got Derrick Henry. Yeah, oh yeah. That was good. We've got Travis Kelcey. Yeah. Oh yeah, we've got Devonte Adams.

Yeah. We've got Mike Evans. Oh yeah. I mean, these are good players. We're going to put up some fantasy points this year, and now we have Tyree Kill, because we took that trade. We did. Because we had the discussion of what is, what this, this was the question. Like what do we do with Jayden Reed who is,

he is a good NFL wide receiver. The fact that you had the year two that you did where, yeah, he saw an improvement in snaps, but he saw a downtick in targets. He was more efficient, especially because of week one on that busted field in Brazil. Jaden Reid was supposed to come in and take that second year wide receiver leap forward

and be awesome. And in week one, he had four receptions, 138 yards, a touchdown through the air, a 33 yard rushing touchdown in addition was 31 points that fantasy week and was the number one wide receiver in fantasy football last year and people were making unbelievable trade offers to try to acquire him. If you take that single week out, which I think is fair, it was the first week of the NFL season.

And I think because of field conditions where the defense couldn't respond because they were all falling over. Yeah, the rest of the season, weeks 2 through 18, 16 games, also known as an old school full season, he would have had 54 receptions for 763 yards and five touchdowns. I mean, that's just irrelevance. Yeah. So he's a good wide receiver. You're going to be frustrated.

He's a best ball type of guy for me. I want his good games, but I don't want to have to play the games where it's like 50% of snaps, he was 3 for 26 against San Francisco, against Chicago, two for 23, against Houston, two for 10. Like his bad games aren't like, there's no baseline. They are destructive. So sometimes a player like that can just be a landmine. And he just, you know, he's going to help you 35% of the time, actively hurt you 65% of the time.

He should probably try to get something out of him. So speaking of Tyreek Hill, we got another question here from Zach off of IG, who said, I don't know which side they're on, but this is the question. Kyron Williams or Tyreek Hill and a 2027 first round pick. Hmm.

Tyreek recently turned 31, had that Awful year. A massive dip of a year. I mean, what's funny is if you're just tuning back in this year or you're new to the fantasy footballers and you haven't listened, like this off season I have pretty much declared myself out on Tyreek Hill. You know, I don't... Second half was much better, but this was not a...

He was not putting up the points of a top-tier wide receiver. Yeah, and at that age you don't usually bounce back to the previous younger production, and we saw a change of style into us. So I'm kind of not super thrilled that I don't expect Tyrick Hill to be awesome again and he's old. So Kyron Williams for Tyrick and a first? That's a lot. That's a lot. I love Kyron Williams. I believe in him. I am not worried about Jarquez. I'm not worried about Blake Corum. I said this a bunch last year,

and then it was one of my things to remember on the Things to Remember episode was like, when you bring in a rookie, if you've got an established veteran who's good, stop worrying about it. And they brought in Coram last year, and everyone was like, oh. Third round.

It's gonna be a timeshare. And then somehow Kyron got more snaps. It was like crazy. So I believe in Kyron 100%. To me, this comes down to like, can you hold out until this contract comes? Because if I knew, the contract negotiations are going on with Kyron. There's reports that they're hopeful to get something done. And usually when those reports happen, they come to fruition. Not always. If something came out tomorrow that Kyron just got a four-year extension, pretty much like a three-year real guaranteed contract, I would take the Kyron over the Tyreke in the first. Okay, we're gonna hit another break here real quick,

but Jay, I'm gonna get you a question I want you to ponder, because I'm trying to think of Jamar Chase, like how do you even get him? It's like, okay, let's say the situation is your team, your wide receiver depth is actually pretty good, and you have Jamar, someone comes along, and they offer you

Ashton Gentey and O'Marian Hampton. Okay? So think about that and we'll be right back. ["Running Back"] Before the break, I posed a question to my best friend of the day, Jason. If he had Jamar and wide receiver depth and needed running back would you trade Jamar Chase

the number one player in dynasty for Ashton Gentry and O'Marian Hampton okay let's think through this well first of all I do think that the wide receiver depth matters quite a bit so you got to be realistic with you know a lot of people think oh I've got wide receiver depth and they a bit, so you've got to be realistic with, you know, a lot of people think, oh, I've got wide receiver depth, and they don't really once you take out a star. So let's just hypothetically say that you had, in addition to Jamar Chase, C.D. Lamb, Garrett Wilson. Oh, no, no, I'm not doing this trade. Oh, but is this...

No, this honestly is nothing to do. This was out of nowhere? Yeah, this had nothing to do with my team. Okay, I thought for sure. No. No, this honestly has nothing to do with my team. I thought for sure. Because Papa Josh, don't you have Gentian Hampton? Didn't you draft both of them this year? We have Henderson.

Oh, okay. I thought you were getting, I thought this was live, you were getting offered. Nope, nope. I was just trying to think of is there an actual way that you can trade for Jamar Chase? So here's what's funny. You said that, and in my mind, I thought you're getting off of this trade. Now, you're a problem in the Dynasty League. Your team is loaded.

Your team is, just to help people out here, you've done a great job. I'm just gonna let people know you're off. So you got, I can't believe I'm doing this. If you're driving, you might wanna pull over. Yeah. So you got Joe Burrow up top, great. Your running back starters,

Christian McCaffrey and Derrick Henry, older but- Long term, not great but- Wide receivers, Jamar Chase. Yeah. And CD Lamb. Yeah. And Garrett Wilson. You've got Kenneth Walker,

you've got Trey McBride at tight end. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And then who else am I missing? I mean my depth is like Pickens, Dobbs is on there. Yeah, so it's really a, it's starting heavy. Rookies and backup running backs waiting to take over. Yeah, so when you said this, all I could think is how can I get Mike

to send Jamar Chase away? Like you know what I mean? Like I was... No man, I can't break up the stack. That was selfish where I was like I want... I don't like... I'm gonna try to convince you. You were gonna lie for advice on the show. I wasn't gonna lie. I was gonna lay it out and talk about your incredible depth of wide receiver and see if I could just get you to get rid of Jamar Chase. So hopefully that's valuable for people listening. I would take Jamar Chase. Yeah. Which I think just highlights the point yet again. There are very few players. Brooks, you're saying not even close for you? Jamar Chase can do something that... Brooks didn't want to answer me. Other people can't do. I mean, you know, what Christian McCaffer used to do, where you're

putting up so many points in one roster spot where he's more valuable than just he's better. Because you still get... Like, Amarian Hampton and Ashland Gentry are great, but they take up two roster spots. You're going're gonna you know what I mean like you're still playing someone else alongside Jamar Chase on your on your you know whatever your 11 starters are. Yes, CD Lamb. Next question here. Oh this one's interesting a lot of Justin Herbert talk going on. Hunter Chalk on IG says, "'Justin Herbert or Cam Ward in a dynasty?' So I don't think Cam Ward

is going to be a great quarterback. Okay. I think, so this is really, what do you believe about Cam Ward? If you're a Titans fan and you're buying the Kool-Aid and you want to get out ahead of it and you think he's going to be the next greatest quarterback, then you're getting a huge age gap. I know for a fact Justin Herbert is a great quarterback.

I know that because he's a great quarterback. Everybody knows it. It's proven at this point. He's still young enough where you've got many years left. I don't believe and obviously we don't know. I could be totally wrong and this could look so stupid someday when he becomes the next Patrick Mahomes. I don't think Cam Ward ever has a season at a Justin Herbert's you know average season. So I don't care if I get five more years of less quality you know I want the higher quality player that's Herbert. All right, next question here. Find a good one. Mark says off of IG, I have both Mark Andrews and Isaiah Likely.

Me too, brother. Okay, should I try to trade one of them? Dude, I'm just trying to get the Ravens to trade one of them. Just come on, man. I was so hopeful that Mark Andrews would be shipped out at the draft. I'm like, please.

Because man, I have been as staunch a Mark Andrews supporter over the career as pretty much exists out there. He was a my guy way back in the day on his breakout season. You went heavy on Mark Andrews at that time. Both Andy and I were like, really, Mark Andrews? And then he broke out, became awesome. It was a great call.

For several years, I was very happy. And I think I have held out as long as I could before believing the end is near. And I've really gotten to the place now where I'm kind of settling into the truth, which is like, he's not the same guy he was. I watch film and I'm like, he's still open a lot. I feel like if they just threw the ball to him,

it would still work. And maybe, I mean, he had a career high in receiving touchdowns. Did you get yourself in the face with your microphone? Yes, yes I did. I sure did. You saw that, huh? Receiving touch you get yourself in the face with your microphone Sure did huh, I guess is cuz you were looking at me that makes sense Yep, I sure did these these are

Did you grease that up chair? Anyways, I you know, so I right now it's tough. I don't I Don't think I trade either one of them. I think you just hold on and here's why. I don't think you're gonna get enough for Mark Andrews. I mean, if you've got someone that's offering you something, great, awesome, take it. Do you have another tight end you could play? I do think this will be the last year

in Baltimore for Andrews, and even though I expect likely to get another contract with the Ravens and he's a good player, so hold on to him. I don't think people are paying up for either one of these players right now. You're going to get some value while you have them, and hopefully Isaiah likely becomes more valuable at the same time Mark Andrews becomes less valuable. That's my hope on my roster. That's what I'm doing. But obviously if someone out there wants to come and offer a big same time Mark Andrews becomes less valuable. That's my hope on my roster. That's what I'm doing. But obviously if someone out there wants to come and offer a big bag for Mark Andrews,

I will take it. What about a medium bag? I'll probably chase the double digit touchdown hopeful upside. Alright, speaking of we got another tight end question here off of IG. What do I do with TJ Hawkinson? He turns 28 in July. He is under contract for three more years, although the team could get out in a couple. Has the third most guaranteed money left, but having said all that, it's

like when was the last time, or I guess it's not when, back in 2023 he was the tight end four, appearing in only 15 games, but he was over 11 points per game, so I mean that's very solid. But are you, so are you still in on Hawkinson? I'm still in on Hawkinson, not as a superstar, but as a reliable person to fill your tight end spot. You just don't have a lot of options.

It's like, OK, there's a team out there with Brock Bowers, or a team out there with Trey McBride. After those guys, there's a team out there with George Kittle, which, not a dynasty sensation, he's... Gotta like the contract, though. Love the contract, but he is 31. So I do put George Kittle right up there with him. But outside of that, okay, you got hopeful people, and like maybe, maybe Loveland or Tyler Warren

become something, but historically speaking, I mean, the fact that we have two tight ends right now of massive relevance shows that most years we don't have a tight end added to the fray. Would you rather have one of the rookies? Would you rather have Tyler Warren or Colston Loveland? I would not, no. Okay, you'd still take Hawkinson?

I know that Hawkinson will be a valuable asset on a majority of weeks basis for the next two or three years. Maybe Loveland becomes a superstar and it's so foolish, oh he's younger and he's better and you should take it. But there is just as good a chance. In fact, statistically speaking at the tight end position, there is a way higher chance that Loveland and Warren

become good NFL players who are not at the tight end position. If they become a David Najoku, if they become a Tucker Craft, if they become an Evan Ingram, it's not changing things in a drastic way. So I would keep Hawkinson. I'd take the rookies over Hawkinson. Both? Yeah, I would, because Hawkinson, I think he'll be a usable guy.

He'll be right in that middle range of being a tight end one. But that year or two years ago, that was by far his best season, especially per game. And he finished that year only 15 games. so he definitely would have broken 1,000, but 960 yards, that's his high. That's pretty high for a tight end. I mean, I know it was like 960, he didn't even break 1,000. Most tight ends don't break 1,000.

I agree, but his high for touchdowns is six. So if you're talking the ceiling right now, that he hasn't ever put up would be something He's a PPR guy. Would be like a 960 and 6, which that is, that's good. You're glad you have that because there's people who have absolutely nothing. I'm talking specifically right now about trading for the rookies. So let me compare him to another player that is the complete opposite archetype.

Let's talk about Sam Laporta. Let's say they're both 25 years old or both 28, whatever. They're the same age. Would you rather have a player like Sam Laporta who has had double digit touchdowns and finished as the Titan I, a higher fantasy finish than Hawkinson has ever finished? But he's a guy that's going to go out there like this last year and catch 60 passes. And if you don't get the touchdown, he has still had seven touchdowns, but this last year, you know, he's only averaging nine points per game. Which ARC type of player would you rather have on your roster regardless of age?

I'll take the Cowards way out of... If I'm in a full PPR, I guess I would go with the Hawkinson. Unless I'm in a standard PPR, I guess I would go with the Hawkinson. Unless I'm in a standard, I'm taking the Hawkinson both ways. In half, I'll take the Laporte one. Because I want spike weeks out of my tight end, where if I go in and I'm like, oh, my tight end got me three points again.

That's what I'm expecting, but when they can actually make a difference instead of just, I want them to raise my ceiling and not my floor. I want the exact opposite. The way that I look at the tight end position is I want reliable, because every tight end can give you a spike week. Nujoku, Evan Ingram, it's just did he catch touchdown? Tucker Kraft can go out there and be awesome for a week,

but I don't want it to be a hole every other week that he doesn't catch a touchdown. I want a baseline of a lot of points and then if a touchdown comes, great. I mean, because the 10 touchdown rookie season where Laporta finished as the tight end one, he was only 11 and a half points per game. It wasn't, you know, it's like, and that was with double digit touchdowns.

Man, I know last year, Hawkinson was coming back from a devastating knee injury, he didn't get into action until week nine. And you in that, in his first four games, you have two duds, but then you have two electric games, you know, eight for 72 on in his second game back, his fourth game back, seven for one 14. And then it, the wheels completely fell off. Part of it might be, what do you believe about JJ McCarthy now?

Sure, if you are a JJ McCarthy believer and you've got a young stud quarterback That's that's really enticing and and I I think I think this whole table Pretty bullish on JJ McCarthy as a yeah, I would say we are I don't know yet if he will be great for fantasy But I think he'll be oh. Grizz actually disagrees. Oh, J. Grizz does not like hearing the Vikings do well. Yeah, but I think McCarthy is going to be a very good... Because he's a bear. For the people at home.

Yeah, J. Grizz is a cardboard bear, and so his team is surprising. Hold on! Hold on! It's the bears. Yep, it is. There was probably people who didn't understand that. Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. Gotta make sure all of our new listeners are up to speed. Thank you, Mike.

On our cardboard bear? Yeah, our car, well, you know. This is a really good intelligent show. This is a three-man show. And it always will be, even when one of us is out. I guess it's not. It's a two-man and a bear show. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, he's not a man. He's not a man. It's a two man and a bear show. Yeah, he's not a

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