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Episode Date: May 16, 2024Players to trade for in dynasty leagues! On today’s fantasy football podcast, Andy, Mike, and Jason each pick trade targets and overvalued players to trade away. Plus, advice on finding the right tr...ade partner in your Dynasty league. Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for May 16th, 2024. Get the lowest price on the 2024 UDK at UltimateDraftKit.com - Dynasty Pass content available NOW with the UDK+ Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on Twitter Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Welcome in.
Some real Doppler effect that time.
At least on my side.
Thursday, May 16th.
Jason Moore, Mike Wright, Andy Holloway.
The Fantasy Footballers Podcast.
Happy to be with you.
Jason, you said you're feeling a little bit tired today.
I am feeling a little bit tired.
You did a bunch of wind sprints.
I got a great night's sleep.
Too much?
Too much work.
We're recording all the UDK videos, grinding on numbers.
It's exhausting.
If you've been on the-
Back in the coal mine?
Yeah, exactly.
I know what it's like.
Coming home with soot on your face?
That's right.
No, if you've been on X, you will have seen a couple of the bloopers that have transpired.
Oh, yeah.
While filming the player profile videos, so you will enjoy that at the FF Ballers.
We talked about Arian Foster a little bit.
Yeah, we did.
Or someone.
I tried to. I tried to talk about
him. But
this is the Thursday show. We did
a Tuesday show and it is...
Welcome to Dynasty Week.
I feel like the drop, the second drop should be like,
you're still in Dynasty Week.
Like, because they already got welcomed in.
Yeah, it's not really a welcome.
But right now it is Dynasty Week.
Today we're going over trade tips, trade targets, trade away players,
some NFL news that has Dynasty implications.
And we have a Dynasty giveaway right now on the website, footclangiveaway.com.
A signed Devon Achan jersey, a player that I know many of you out there
that have him on their roster.
He's very much hoping is a great dynasty asset.
What, just 22 years old?
Yeah, yeah.
He's a young'un, could be the best ever or could flame out
those are the only two options it really does feel like that though like i don't see a world
where there's just like an average below average mediocre long career i can see that world really
yeah for sure and just he could just be really good some of the time he's on the field like
he could have a darren Sproles career for sure.
Yeah, that is what I'm saying.
I have a harder time seeing.
Okay.
Yeah.
What else is going on?
We've got the Dynasty Pass available right now on the UDK Plus.
Startup rankings, rookie rankings, team opportunity charts,
and a whole bunch of Dynasty resources.
That's ultimatedraftkit.com.
In fact, if you don't preorder it before June 1st,
you will not be preordering it.
No.
Yeah, it's out.
You know what I mean?
I totally know.
It'll just be released.
You'll just be ordering it.
Full price.
For more money.
So ultimatedraftkit.com.
Get instant access there with the UDK+.
And I think we're good.
And Papa Josh does a very important note because Papa Josh runs.
Oh, yeah.
Papa Josh is the customer support.
He is community managing.
What do you call yourself in your email handle?
The customer support master?
Yes, sir.
Yeah, of course he puts master in there.
What?
Who authorized that?
He authorized it.
We don't see those emails.
Anyways, he made a good point.
Look, once it's out, don't come to Josh and say,
hey, can I get that pre-order pricing?
Because you had five months or something.
No, you can actually still get it.
Right now.
If you have a time machine at that time.
You can go back in time.
But otherwise, no.
Don't bother Josh.
He's very busy.
He's old and grumpy.
Oh, different perspectives on it there.
Quick question of the day.
A Dynasty Trade Tips question from Instagram.
Powder East writes in,
what is the best way to find common player trade value with league mates in Dynasty?
This is interesting because Andy and I actually, and I don't know if he knows this,
but we have the exact same answer in our doc.
Andy's answer is he has no clue how to find trades anymore in our league.
My answer is you have to find the right type
of partner. And so
the reason that I say they're the same is
Andy, you have a contending
team. But
I know my real problem.
What is it? I don't have
any tradable assets. Exactly.
You are. You have
fulfilled one type.
You've completed. You've done you've done everything he's just
swiping that credit card my team has josh allen christian mccaffrey yeah mike evans travis kelsey
nobody comes not swipe no nobody those are not all swipes but i'm saying i'm saying you got your
players by swiping the credit card so like all your draft picks are gone and you're, you're
heavily loaded into your starting roster. The easiest way to find a trade partner in dynasty
is to categorize people into whether they are contenders or whether they are rebuilders.
And obviously there's some gray area in there. And sometimes you have league managers who
should be a rebuilder and they think they're a contender.
You try to show them the error of their ways.
But the thing is.
Did something happen recently?
Well, yes, but it's just, you know.
That always goes well.
Convince another person that their team can't win.
It's so great when you go to someone and you're like,
hey, look, we're both in agreement that your team stinks.
Yeah.
We weren't in agreement.
The nice thing is they didn't make the playoffs.
So going back to my point here is that when you –
there are certain teams that players are very good for and very bad for.
We talked about it on last episode.
Derrick Henry is the perfect example of this right if you are more of a rebuilding team and you have derrick
henry my goodness trade him for a first he's not going to help you long term you're not going to
win a championship this year if you are a contending team and you could be put over the top
and your draft pick in the first round is going to be a low, you know, lower first round pick,
lower hit rate, go get Derrick Henry.
And so the reason why you can't find trades, Andy, is because you're a contending team
with all the old dudes that you can usually scoop up in great trades.
No one else wants those guys.
So just to say it another way that I think would be valuable,
you want to find common player trade values,
but that is very difficult in general. People have so many different perspectives on individual players,
and those perspectives change based on the intention of the team in that season
and what they see as their future
or what they see as a player that they want to trade away.
I mean, if there was a place where a practical trade block
would be the most valuable to be used regularly,
Dynasty Leagues is the place for that
because I can't read all of your minds.
You know what I mean?
Like you don't know if somebody has a remandre
and is like, I'm kind of done
with them. I want to move on or
this is part of my building block.
There are players. It's easy to say that Marvin
Harrison Jr. is a building block.
It's easy to say that Travis Kelsey is
on the way out, but there's players
on the in-between, right?
I think Saquon Barkley is a player like
that. Saquon Barkley
is, what, going to be 28 this year during the season?
He's a little bit older, but he's got a brand new contract.
Yeah, so you can see Saquon through both lenses.
You could see him being a tradeaway candidate for a team that wants to get younger,
or you could see him as a buy candidate for a team that wants to compete.
I would just throw in that you need to have a bunch of players,
like a tier of players who you're interested in.
If you have a very specific name, which, funny enough,
we're going to be giving some names who we think are players that I would like
to trade for or I'd like to trade them away.
But if you're targeting a name, you are boutique shopping.
You are getting a personalized deal just for you off of this one player,
which means that the price is going to be a lot.
The trade can get done, but you may end up having to overpay,
in your opinion,
of trying to get this player because you're so locked in on one name.
Make sure you have a bunch of names,
and then just start getting some conversations going.
And that way, at least, the net is wider,
so you know what your goal is.
I'm trying to improve my wide receiver position,
so I'm going after this range of a player.
And if you do want to go
hunting for one specific option,
hide it.
And I do mean
that. I mean hide it in a bigger trade.
I've accomplished that many
times in Dynasty by not
making, I don't want to go and just focus
on one player and then I'm sending a bunch
of assets and it looks like I'm just, like they
know how hungry you are if you're staring at it let them know that you got some options put a three
for three trade a four for four trade make it bigger to try to Trojan horse the player you want
into a deal sometimes you have to do that yeah or maybe start a little bit above that player
you know it's like you you see the settle on that player settle like oh right yeah what about
Mike shakes his hands because he knows he don't got what it
takes to get these done he's shaking his hands i mean i am the reigning dynasty champion so
well you see you don't need to trade um all right let's uh jump into a little bit of news
news and notes from around the league.
We are recording this episode of the show just before the release of the 2024 NFL schedule.
There will be an article on the website, thefantasyfootballers.com,
detailing 10 insights from the schedule release, and you'll be able to check that out.
What else do we have?
We have an announcement that we get to watch the offseason of the Giants on Hard Knocks, which Mike sounded interested in. Well, I was saying it's Hard Knocks offseason.
It comes out July 2nd.
What is it involved?
I'm not really sure.
I hope it's not just like rookie camp and stuff like that
because I don't know if that's very interesting.
But the NFL, to me, has a huge untapped market
for behind-the-scenes NFL draft footage.
When they put those out, they are interesting.
They're compelling.
I don't know if it's enough to carry an entire series,
but whenever you see a good five-minute clip on social media,
that's a long clip to sit down and watch.
But if it's the draft, I want to see what's going on.
The Bills have signed wide receiver Marquez Valdez-Scantling,
formerly of the Chiefs.
It's a one-year deal worth up to $4.5 million.
Let me read you the Bills wide receiver room.
Okay. the bills wide receiver room okay keon coleman curtis samuel khalil shakir mvs mac hollins kj
hamler justin shorter chase claypool andy isabella quintez cefas so you're telling me mvs is a
starter i'm telling you could be he probably is he's probably in more of that gabe davis role
where you're gonna field stretch and catch half your pass.
I mean, I would say that right now, three wide, I would expect to see –
Curtis Samuel will absolutely win.
Keon Coleman will be out there, and Curtis Samuel will be out there.
Beyond that, depending on formation, Shakir and MBS.
And then they like Matt Collins, but who knows.
And the rest of the guys, they were all dynasty ads 10 years ago.
It'll get thinned out.
It will.
But you have a 58% vacated target number in Buffalo,
which is the second most in the National Football League.
So no Gabe, no Hardy, no Diggs, no Shurfield.
Hello, Dalton Kincaid?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the real winner here any other comments on that uh
news or anything else you guys want to talk about no i don't think so i uh i i i'm excited to see
the trade for and trade away candidates i have not read your guys's yet oh so i'm i'm looking
forward to being surprised i i have seen yours in the past, and I've already forgot them.
Okay.
And I don't know Mike's for sure.
So when you say it, I'll be like, oh, yeah.
All right, let's take a quick break, come back with those trade candidates.
Let's talk trades.
Well, like I said, the Dynasty startup rankings are in the UDK Plus,
and we each wanted to pick out a trade for and trade away candidate
specific to Dynasty Leagues.
So who wants to get us started?
I'll jump in.
That mic was just saying nope.
Well, mine's a little more obscure.
No, it's never boring talking trades.
And a guy I think that might be interesting to trade for right now
because he has been kind of deleted a little bit from your memory
because, look, football, one week at a time,
and this guy really lost his second year in the NFL.
Greg Dulcich, tight end for the Denver Broncos.
Mike loves his tight ends.
They're just the most fun.
They're the most fun.
On the team with Adam Traubman,
this is a surprising pick for you to be in on
because you were not in on him while he was not hurt last year.
Well, I just really was hoping that Adam Trautman could do something.
But Greg Dulcich, I mean, always, at least in the offseason,
was spoken of very highly by head coach Sean Payton.
He only played two games.
He does seem to have a hamstring problem,
kind of like Christian Watson,
where it feels like there's a chronic situation going on.
So that is a red flag.
But Jerry Judy is gone.
That's 18% of the targets.
And people have been talking about the Broncos,
like the wide receiver room.
Who's it going to be?
Is Sutton even going to be on this team?
You know, we got Troy Franklin in the fourth round.
Marvin Mims, because it's a whole bunch of –
Josh Reynolds?
Josh Reynolds, exactly.
It's a whole bunch of gigantic question marks.
Meanwhile, Greg Dolstis is just there and was –
he was a weapon in his rookie season at the tight end position.
He's not aged out by any means.
He's 24 and part of the dynasty pass.
We got our boy Big Marv.
He puts out these incredible articles about the life cycle of dynasty positions.
And at the tight end, Greg Dulcich is just coming into it
because 25 is kind of like that's the big breakout year for for tight ends so i'm
not overly concerned that it hasn't happened yet but i'm just looking at this team and why couldn't
it be greg dulcet why couldn't he end up being like the number two option on this team with all
the guys that are there do you think that there's potential for a delayed breakout? We got the second-year pause for Dulcich.
There was a lot of excitement.
Yeah, there was.
Because he got 33 passes in 10 games as a rookie,
and quite a few of them were big plays.
Yeah, he was 12.5 yards per catch.
That's pretty solid.
There was a lot of excitement.
It seems to have died down.
Jason, are you in on any of that? Yeah. Because he'd be cheap right now. Yes, I actually am lot of excitement. It seems to have died down. Jason, are you in on any of that?
Yeah.
Because he'd be cheap right now.
Yes, I actually am because of that.
It's very, very affordable to get Dulcich.
In fact, you wouldn't go after Dulcich.
You'd probably just have him almost be a throw-in in some other bigger trade.
But he is someone that has been left for dead that really isn't.
He really isn't dead. The opportunity for the team and to receive targets is there.
Going into last year, you remember Peyton was talking about him being the Joker role
and all of that.
And then, unfortunately, he lost last season to an injury.
But it's not like they filled the depth chart.
Yeah, they brought in Troy Franklin and Reynolds, but they lost Jerry Judy.
So he's still necessary here.
And, you know, look, it's a low hit rate.
It's a tight end.
Most tight ends don't matter.
In the end, he probably won't matter.
But unlike redraft leagues, right, where you just stream the position,
you just go to the waiver every week and grab someone and whatever,
you kind of need a stockpile.
You stream the position from your roster.
So having four or five capable tight ends sometimes is the way to go
if you don't have a Kelsey or a Andrew.
I don't know if he's had a good performance since I dressed up as him for Halloween.
Oh.
Yeah, well, when Weird Al Yankovic dresses up as him,
it's really unfortunate for your future productivity.
And so that was, I think, the problem.
Yeah.
You should have just gone straight as Dulcich.
I was Weird Al dressing up as Greg Dulcich.
Didn't you get put in a wheel?
You do know the only difference between Weird Al and Greg Dulcich, right?
Height?
Muscles.
Yeah, same thing.
But it's like, maybe you haven't done your rookie draft yet.
And you're in the third round.
And you're like, well like well man should i take a
chance on like sanders right you know yeah jatavian sanders or like these rookie i'm not talking about
ben senate because he'll be gone but it's like these other tight ends who are just kind of there
maybe you're looking at just throw out your third round pick i i kyle got him for a third exactly
in his league yeah so this is that's the
type of trade i think could go through the person who has greg dulcich is done yeah they're they're
not their hopes of of him becoming something are very very low which because that's the time
it becomes saying like the hit rate for this to actually work out, it's a low probability,
but the probability of any third-round rookie pick is so low,
and the fact that he is going into year three,
it's sort of year two because that whole year was deleted,
but he's already functioning in an NFL offense,
already has the support of his head coach,
so I think that it's worth taking the Hail Mary for him.
I'll bring up Kyler Murray as my trade for candidate in Dynasty Leagues
because he's the most affordable potential top five guy.
And this is not – I think what we've seen is we've got two years
damaged by injury, right?
The end of the 2022 season,
and then he didn't play all but eight games last year.
So the ACL injury spans two off seasons,
and we have two off seasons where there was actual talk going into both drafts
about whether the Arizona Cardinals would move on from him.
Two years ago, there was a lot
of it. And then we were sitting here on this show
being from the Valley saying, listen,
Jonathan Gannon, they're going to his
OSU
statue reveal.
Yeah, his actual
statue reveal at the university
and they
support this guy and they believe in him.
And then you go through the season, and the Cardinals have a high pick,
and they're still questioned.
Oh, he could get traded to Minnesota.
They need a quarterback.
There's been a lot of negative energy around Kyler Murray.
But the Kyler Murray on the field was the number seven, number two,
and number 10 quarterback for his first three seasons,
and then you have two injury-shortened years.
And you look into last year his
17 game pace it was pretty good he was going to run for 500 plus yards again he was the quarterback
nine on points per game once he came back with no with with the cardinals throwing the ball to
whiteouts 20 29th uh most in the league so you add marvin harrison and zay jones this is the year
you'll start to see production emerge and um this is the time you can get him at
that discount I don't know if people believe fundamentally that Kyler is a franchise quarterback
but he's nowhere in the world of the Justin Fields getting tossed away like this is a great
passer a great runner those question marks aren't. They were just conjecture because of the Cardinals struggling.
So, you know, you're not throwing the ball to Michael Wilson and Greg Dorch.
Marvin Harrison has arrived.
And I think this is the one time you might be able to, you know,
let me give you an example.
And I did it.
I made the offers.
They weren't good enough because no one trades with me anymore.
Oh, woe is me.
But I looked this offseason in a dynasty format at moving Josh Allen
for Kyler Murray plus a significant asset.
Yeah.
And that's the kind of trade I'm talking about.
I've done it many times in dynasty.
I traded Mahomes at the top, Rogers at the top.
Didn't you do it with Herbert too?
With Herbert? Yes, absolutely.
It's a great strategy.
When you've got the young superstar quarterback
to trade him for another really good quarterback for fantasy plus a haul.
So to me, that's how you get Kyler right now is you move a player.
Maybe it's Jalen Hurts.
Maybe you're moving Jalen Hurts and you're getting Kyler Murray
and a really, really – I'm not talking about a third-round pick.
I'm talking about you've got to go get like a –
is it Kyler Murray and a really good wide receiver
and then swap in Hurts for him.
Yeah, I don't mind that at all.
If you've been listening, I mean, I love Kyler Murray's prospects going forward this year.
It doesn't even matter if he's good.
As in, there's all the conversation in just NFL circles of like, is Kyler Murray good?
Is he a good quarterback?
Is he a great quarterback?
Is he a franchise quarterback?
Who cares?
It doesn't matter.
He can throw for 4,000 yards.
His sophomore season, he threw for like 3,900
plus yards, and he can run for 750 yards. So for fantasy purposes, he's going to be just fine.
My trade for target, more along the lines of Mike's, it's a lower ranked, more of a dynasty
only asset. It's Kendra Miller, last year's rookie running back for the New Orleans Saints, who unfortunately pretty much missed his rookie season. He started out the offseason with a knee
injury, missed the first couple of games of training camp and all of this jazz. And that
really set him up way behind the eight ball. And then unfortunately, once he came back,
he had a stretch of games where it was like, okay, they're getting him involved.
And then boom, an ankle injury missed essentially almost the rest of the, the, the time there
for the saints came back at the very end of the season.
And honestly, he saw 14 opportunities in that week 18 game against Atlanta.
Kendra Miller's a pretty good player.
Like that's, that's really the crux of my argument is that he's good.
He was a junior year at TCU.
He had 1,400 rushing yards, 17 rushing touchdowns.
He was an early declare.
He's 5'11", 215 with speed.
He can catch the ball.
He does all the things that kind of check my boxes.
You know what I'm saying?
When I'm looking at scouting a player.
What?
Howdy, partner.
Yeah.
And you've got Alvin Kamara.
I just feel like he wants us not to pay attention to that, but.
Oh, I mean, pay attention by all means.
My boxes.
I'm just saying when it gets me hot and heavy when I'm scouting a player.
You become a southern belle?
Yeah.
It's like, what?
You know, he's a caller.
A gentleman caller.
Kendra Miller, a.k.a. the gentleman caller, is a good prospect, and he's coming into a
situation here with the Saints going into year two.
Now, he's clearly behind Alvin Kamara.
Alvin Kamara's a player in redraft leagues.
I think he's going to have a really solid season.
He was, you He was top five in
points per game last year on volume, was not very efficient. His yards per carry, for example,
have gone from like 4.6 back in the day to now two out of the last three years have been sub
four yards of carry. His passing efficiency has gone down too. He's catching a ton of
footballs like he always does, but he's not doing as much
with them and the other backup that they brought in last year jamal williams if you are not familiar
with his work last season you don't need to be it was uh hashtag bad yeah uh he was awful he went
from however many i believe 223 touchdowns a year prior yeah to one
last year when they got him that in the last it was it was when they thought they were taking a
knee so it wasn't the team made a decision i need to put it to the test though i want to have a
conversation briefly about your thoughts on kenry miller because you know mike just brought up the
third round pick the greg dulcet situation You're looking at the second round of rookie drafts.
That's where Trey Benson lives.
That's where Jalen Wright is currently.
That's where Marshawn Lloyd is.
Sure.
So put that to the test with those three names.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a great, great practice because we've done this before.
Could we just swap a second-round pick?
We've done this before where it's like,
who would I rather have, Trey Benson or Kendra Miller?
Trey Benson.
That one is easy for me. Jonathan Brooks, Trey Benson or Kendra Miller? Trey Benson. That one is easy for me.
Jonathan Brooks, Trey Benson, they slot in ahead of Kendra Miller.
One thing to note on Kendra Miller, he's still only 21.9 years old.
He's one month older than Trey Benson.
Even though he lost his rookie season, he's –
That's wild.
Yeah, he came in pretty young.
Marshawn Lloyd or Kendra Miller?
I'm going to take Kendra Miller.
I think Kendra Miller is as good.
I preferred him as a prospect to Marshawn Lloyd.
You look at the situation around him.
So would you invest a 20-25 second right now?
A 20-25 second right now I would absolutely do in a heartbeat for Kendra Miller.
I think that's helpful to put some numbers to it.
Yeah, he's got the talent and ability,
and obviously the Saints, they got Fuaga with their first-round pick,
so their offensive line should be better this season.
And, you know, if something happens to Alvin Kamara,
Jamal Williams is toast.
I mean, he ran for 2.9 a carry last year and is absolutely done.
That's walked for.
Yeah.
I am going to jump the line and give you my trade away candidate only because i want to
throw his name out there in the kendray miller conversation okay i'm curious who it is you don't
know who it is no i told you i forgot giovante williams oh okay all right would you trade
giovante williams away for kendra Miller? I would not. Okay.
I would personally. Because I know you have more.
Mike, would you do that?
Oh, man.
I mean, maybe I should make the case first and maybe you say yes, but.
I would.
I think the problem is just the market value of what Javante Williams is
seen to be worth.
So, I mean, you would have to get Kendrae plus,
but lay out the case for him.
Well, here's the biggest challenge with Javante Williams
is you have to attribute a bad year entirely to injury.
You are not coming into the season as the guaranteed number one,
and then you are entering a contract year
and you have a rookie quarterback,
and you have to ask yourself in Dynasty, what's next for Javante Williams?
Because I don't think that there's almost any future where what's next for Javante Williams
is the Broncos are giving you a bunch of money to be their future at the position when you
literally are the only incumbent, not selected by the current head coach the amount of over
performance compared to expectation to me that that would require which is not outside the
possibility or the range of possibilities but it's low odds like you got to go from being
objectively bad to objectively great this season not bad decent. Not bad to committee. Bad to great for the Broncos to hand you a check to be
the guy next season. Which means, who's handing
you a check to be the guy next year after you have a multi-ligament injury?
Javante still has that name where it's not
all lit up in lights in Dynasty anymore, certainly.
But some of the bulbs are still on for trading purposes.
You can still make a case.
You go to the trade table with, he's 24 years old.
He was hurt last year.
This guy's got a big future ahead of him, and I don't think that's true,
but that's the story that you can paint. And so I'm very concerned about what Javante's role on a future roster can be.
That's my biggest concern.
Whereas I could see Kendra Miller being the guy in New Orleans next year.
Yeah, for sure.
But I don't know if I see Javante as the guy in Denver next year.
Well, obviously Kendra is only one year into his career, into his rookie contract.
When it comes to, so I am more bullish on Javante Williams' possibilities of being back to full strength this year than I think both of you gentlemen, certainly more than Andy.
I see that as a at least 50-50 outcome.
Well, that's what I want to get to and it serves your point here if he gets back to full strength and has a great season he probably still doesn't get
the bag from the Broncos because for the Broncos to really say wow he's got to be this not just
the centerpiece of the offense which I think could happen but he's got to be the centerpiece
of the offense while they win a surprising amount of games. And with a rookie quarterback,
that's probably not going to happen. You're not going to give a big, sizable, long-term contract,
second contract to a running back on a losing franchise. That's just probably not going to
happen for the Broncos. So from a dynasty perspective, I do agree that if you can capitalize on Javante now, the odds
that, you know, you're playing the
likely outcome
market, and the likely outcome is that
he changes teams somewhere to become a committee
back or a backup for his
next season after 2024,
and there's no guarantee that this one is great
anyways. Now, that's still a greater
sign to me than Kendra Miller,
but Kendra Miller plus, youra Miller plus something, sure.
And going back to the Dynasty articles we have in the UDK Plus,
Marv wrote this, since 2010,
78% of the running back's peak seasons occur before turning 24.
So not only are you coming back from injury, contract year,
not a lot of running backs getting paid big money.
I just think it's a tall task,
and that's why I put Javante into that tradeaway category.
Mike, I'll turn it over to you because your name is –
I think it's interesting.
I think he was in the headlines a lot last year towards the end of the year,
and so it may be interesting.
It's tradeaway Amari end of the year. And so it may be interesting.
It's straightaway Amari Cooper of the Cleveland Browns.
And Amari Cooper, the greatest thing that he has – That was the greatest thing.
The second greatest thing he did for you last year was give you a temporary
boost to his dynasty value.
The first greatest thing, of course, being help you actually win a championship
because he was a playoff hero.
It was so awesome.
And it was so much fun.
But here's the thing about Amari Cooper.
Wasn't that the week we almost didn't play him?
Or maybe that was the next week.
Yeah, okay, never mind.
We didn't know if he was injured.
And then he went out. But then Joe Flacco was still great.
And it was just – the Cleveland Browns in the playoffs,
it was really, really fun last year, or fantasy playoffs.
But Amari Cooper, he's entering year 10.
He's about to turn 30, and he's under the final year of his contract.
And I think that Amari Cooper has value.
Like this year, you'll be able to start Amari Cooper
as like a wide
receiver two type of a player, but the fear is that you are now on the edge of his value really
going in the tank. Yeah, sure. Come at me with Mike Evans. I get it. Mike Evans is still cooking
and he is over the age of 30, but there are so many superstar players who have seen their dynasty value
just plummet from age 30 to 31.
And that's why I'm saying I'm trading Amari Cooper now,
trying to be one year early.
Julio Jones.
Julio Jones was a superstar.
And then he was
the pixie dust
ran off and he
went and essentially had no value.
AJ Green, Hopkins,
Devontae Adams. If you had
traded, think where Devontae Adams
trade value was last
year. Much
higher. We just recorded our
UDK outlook for
Devontae Adams and all three
of us compared him to Hopkins.
We're all like, I
mean, he'll have gains
but the point
of the value disintegrated. Stefan
Diggs, if you had traded him
beginning of last year, you
could have got a ton. Now
his market value has plummeted.
And that's just the overall dynasty value.
And then remember, before the bonanza of that playoff run for Amari Cooper,
before week 16, which week 16 was 24% of his fantasy points of the year.
It was so cool.
It was awesome.
But before that point, he was the wide receiver 27.
That's not how we think about Amari Cooper because he finished so strong.
That's your memory of him.
But up until that point, it was just okay-ish because Deshaun Watson
has been awful.
He has been absolutely putrid and he is,
like it or not, he is still the future for the Cleveland Browns at the quarterback position.
And now we have multiple years of him being terrible, possibly dragging Amari Cooper's value down even more. So I'm saying, yes, Amari Cooper can help your team this year,
but I'm trying to get out right now while I can get a player,
I can help bolster some stuff for this year and the future of my dynasty team
before what I see as Amari Cooper's value just really going in the tank.
Well, I'm looking forward to hearing Jason's tradeaway candidate,
but you're going to have to wait just a second.
We'll be right back.
And that was Jason's tradeaway candidate.
Hope you really enjoyed that. I hope you liked it.
I hope you get a haul.
I hope you get a haul for it.
Yeah, what a good name.
You know, a lot of times people are always looking for that real clear and obvious pick,
and I'm glad you got it.
Yeah, yeah, that'll do it.
But who else do you got?
We wrapping up the show?
Oh, who else? Yeah. Okay, I'll give you one more. One more. Now that you've heard my
best trade. We're going to do one more. Here's an okay. A bunch of people rewinding into the ads.
The trade away candidate for me right now is Najee Harris, a guy that I have always been a
decent fan of. Not a BFF, but it's just one of those.
Najee the man is awesome.
Oh, Najee the man is incredible.
And I'm talking about Najee the running back as far as the fantasy asset.
He has not been a prolific top-tier guy, but the back half of the last two seasons
have actually been really good.
He's been solid.
He's been a baby Yeti.
Yeah, he's a baby Yeti. Yeah, he's a baby
Yeti. You know, as the cold weather comes in, people don't want to tackle him as much or whatever.
He was a running back 21 last year, running back 14 two years ago. And then obviously his rookie
season was great when he was the running back four. He keeps going the wrong direction. Well,
that's the point. He keeps going the wrong direction. His snaps went from 84% as a rookie
down to 66% and last year down to 53% of the snaps,
which for a Mike Tomlin team is not very normal. His opportunities have gone from 23.6 to 19.1 to
17.3. And the most important thing at the end of the day is your fantasy points per game.
15 and a half is rookie season to 11.9 in this last year, 10.6. So we could see that
it's trending downward, but he is still a valuable commodity in dynasty leagues as a, you know, as,
as a rookie contract running back who is never finished outside of an RB2. And there are so
many teams desperate for running backs, but they didn't pick up his fifth year option.
And that's a huge deal to me. That means that he's going to be a free agent at the end of this year. He's not a franchise
tag worthy guy. And we've seen in the past that the Steelers aren't going to pay for the running
back. So they're going to let him hit the open market. And I don't know that he's going to get
a big bag or a big enough job to be inefficient and effective for fantasy. So this is similar to like, this is a very similar
case to Amari Cooper, because I agree Amari Cooper is going to help your team this year,
but eventually you got to get out while there's value left. And there's very little meat on the
bone left for Najee Harris, but you could still get something valuable for him. It wouldn't,
I don't think it would surprise anyone here if at the end of this year,
Jalen Warren scores more fantasy points than Najee for the same team. But Najee has value
right now as someone that is in his three-year career, never finished outside the top 21
running backs. You can get something for him. I think this season, it's more mediocrity,
and then you might be out of an asset.
Would you accept a second-round pick?
No, I think you can get more than a second-round pick.
It's one of those weird players where you're probably not getting a first and you're probably not accepting a second.
So you've got to find kind of a player-pick combination.
I'd like to find –
And there's no picks between those rounds?
There's no picks between those rounds. Like a hidden
round? Right. And obviously
some of this... Like the 13th floor or whatever that is?
Some of this goes back to the quick question on the day, right?
What is your team? If you're a competing team,
Najee can help you. If you're a rebuilding team,
he can't. So you've got to take a look at your roster
and say, okay, if I'm competing
then I need something really good for him.
You're not going to trade Najee for
my trade for Kendra Miller in a second
if you're a competing team.
That's not going to help you as much.
But if you're rebuilding and you can get a young Kendra Miller
who could be the dude next year plus a second
and he's not going to help you win a championship this year,
okay, I would be willing to do that.
Mike, do you have any thoughts on Najee?
I think I'm in mostly agreement here.
The reasoning for not picking up the fifth-year option,
at least maybe it's just PR, but it did make sense to me.
I think Warren is in a contract year too.
Double-check that for me.
Maybe he's a year away yeah uh it was
that when they were talking about naji they like they have a whole new offensive system
coming in here i mean you got art you have arthur smith is now the oc and they want to see how
the running backs fit which i mean maybe you're just being nice and saying we don't want to give
naji har Harris any money,
we want him off the team soon.
But I think there could be some legitimate truth to that
of if it works out and Najee succeeds in Arthur Smith's system,
that he would get a smaller extension.
So I don't think Najee Harris is a complete
I-gotta-get-rid-of-him type of a player, because I think there is a complete, I got to get rid of him type of a player
because I think there is a world where he re-signs with Pittsburgh.
He doesn't get a huge deal, but if he re-signs with Pittsburgh,
you know that he's going to be getting a whole bunch of carries.
He's had 1,000 rushing yards all three years.
That might be a surprising statistic to people.
If Najee Harris had been a third-round draft pick, he would be a success story.
Correct. But he was a first round draft pick. That's all it is.
That's the whole story with Najee Harris. He would be
found money in the third, fourth, fifth round of the NFL draft and you'd be
so impressed with the consistency and just
plotting his way to success but because he was
the number he was a first round draft pick and the expectations coming out you're disappointed
because you wanted somebody to uh you know and being rb for the rookie year you combine that
with the fact that the steelers did get found money in undrafted free agent yeah you know uh
jaylen warren so jaylen warren because he was undrafted is agent, Jalen Warren.
So Jalen Warren, because he was undrafted, is only a three-year deal.
But because he was undrafted means that he's an RFA at the end of this year,
which basically means he's a stealer.
Like RFAs are in prison.
I don't know how.
No, restricted means he can go get an offer for the number.
You're thinking of ERFA.
Oh, yes.
An RFA, if he gets an offer, they have a right to match.
Yes.
And the reality is if he gets an offer, he's going to match. So Warren is in the contract.
Both of these guys are in the contract here.
And they're going to wait it out and see who fits better.
Sure.
Sure.
I think it's much higher odds that Warren would be back as an RFA.
But we'll see.
All right.
Let's jump into some Dynasty Mailbag.
Mailbag.
Mailbag.
Yeah.
All right.
Honestly, that was great.
Spectacular.
You held it for a while.
I can go longer.
No, thanks.
Farron writes in.
Stamina.
Do you think Raheem Mostert.
Yeah, the guys that got it, they say it.
Do you think Raheem Mostert has any Dynasty trade value or just ride the wave?
I think he has no Dynasty trade value.
I think you got to ride that wave, my friend.
I'm hoping just to...
I mean, I went into last year thinking
maybe I don't even want him on my roster.
Uh-huh.
And he became the RB2.
Everything else after that is gravy.
Yep, and you have him on your roster.
Yep.
This is not a Derrick Henry situation.
You're not getting a first for him.
You're probably not even getting a second for him from a contender.
Derrick Henry's still going top of redraft leagues.
Raheem Mostert in redraft right now is, despite being the running back too,
he's like, I think he might even be outside the top 24.
And I'm talking redraft.
Running backs take it.
So, yeah, you're not getting anything from Mostert.
You're going to get fantasy points from him.
49% of his fantasy points last year came from touchdowns.
That is the highest of any top 12 quarterback over six years.
Running back.
See?
IG question.
Trademark Andrews for Dalton Kincaid?
Question mark.
I have Allen for the stack.
So, I said this earlier earlier I did think about making
Mark Andrews my tradeaway candidate on today's show but I didn't do that because I don't believe
it I I just it's been a little bumpy for Andrews but when he's on the field he's been just as
effective and he's 29 and so you know I don't know if he's going to be Jason Witten
and play well until he's 38, but what if you give him 29 to 34?
Is that Mark Andrews going to be more valuable than Dalton Kincaid's career?
That's a tough question.
I would probably do the trade because Andrews has dealt with injuries,
and, you know, I think that they have more weapons than because Andrews has dealt with injuries and you know I think that they have
more weapons than Mark Andrews now and they didn't used to but it's right on the fence for me yeah it
is it is close I think it's a fair deal I have Mark Andrews ahead of Dalton in my startup rankings
meaning I would not make this trade you've still got him under contract for two more years. So does Mike right now.
With a ton of dead caps.
So he's going to be a Raven for a while.
He's the clear number one target.
We hope Dalton Kincaid becomes the clear number one target.
It just hasn't happened yet.
I've got it statted that way.
But even then, I don't have him statted as the number one target
to be as valuable as Mark Andrews, assuming Mark Andrews is on the field.
Injury risks, they suck.
They've hit Mark Andrews a lot over the last couple of years.
But I don't know that that's very predictable.
So I've still got Mark Andrews ahead of Dalton Kincaid.
At the very least, though, if you want to make the trade
and you want to make the argument the other direction,
is that if they're both close to each other, you're getting more youth.
I have Kincaid at two.
Yeah, then that's an easy trade for you.
That doesn't bother me at all.
Yeah.
Mark Andrews has proven the touchdown connection with Lamar.
Yep.
So even if his role ends up shrinking
at some point of his career,
once they get in the red zone, Mark Andrews will be on the field.
And Duncan Cade could grow into that.
That might happen.
He had a whole bunch of targets and a good amount of yards for a rookie tight end, but
he had two touchdowns.
Ethan writes in, is T. Higgins a top 15 wide receiver in Dynasty right now?
T. Higgins is just, it's the worst, man.
Trying to figure out what Tee Higgins is.
Tee Higgins is a fine wide receiver.
Yes.
I think he's a good wide receiver.
I think he is very good.
I think he's okay.
So we got very good, good, and fine.
Yeah, he's fine.
I mean, look, he's put up up a thousand yards a couple times but literally
almost on the dot 900 a thousand a thousand he's dealt with injuries the reason that i don't have
him as a as a top 15 dynasty wide receiver is because even though he's young this is a there's
a one and done situation with the bangles he's going to play this year i think he'll be good when you hit the open market at wide receiver you're going to get a bag of money you're going
to have someone yes break the bank for you and that is nice but you also see a lot of times these
high high dollar shifting free agent wide receivers they don't always work out you don't know if he's
going to go to a good quarterback or a bad quarterback next year you do know he's gonna
if he's not on the bangles you know he's leaving a good quarterback
you know so what if he goes and signs a a big contract with the giants to be opposite malik
neighbors and you don't know the quarterback situation it's like there's a lot of risk there
from a dynasty perspective after this he's played four years and if you give him the best number at every one of these spots his best would
be 74 for 1091 and seven so it's hard to make up a top 15 dynasty guy when he's never finished top
15 that's all i'm saying i think he's a good receiver but i don't think he's a i don't think
you could go and sign him if you're carolina and if you had traded for him this offseason and like what if he went to Carolina
what's his season I bet it's
about 74 for
1091 and 7 yeah I don't
know if there's a place you could go and be
you think he could be the one I guess we've talked about
that so many times yeah I think
he could be a one I think
he can be a one but it's T Higgins
has just lives in this
world of
what he could and should be and
then that against what you're actually getting so top 15 no I don't have Michael Pittman in my top
15 wide receivers and they're close enough comps to me and one of them is already the dude for his team with a massive extension so yeah all right
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