Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Early Busts + Early Values - Fantasy Football Podcast for 6/11

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

Fantasy Football show for June 11th, 2026. Bust and value picks for the upcoming fantasy football season! Andy, Mike, and Jason each pick players they are worried about. Plus, players who look like major values in 2026 fantasy football drafts!. Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. 2026 ULTIMATE DRAFT KIT is available now at UltimateDraftKit.com (00:00) Intro (05:20) Quick Question (07:40) NFL News (17:10) Early Bust Picks (18:52) Jason’s Bust Pick (26:16) Mike’s Bust Pick (29:40) Andy’s Bust Pick (41:55) Early Value Picks (42:10) Mike’s Value Pick (45:55) Jason’s Value Pick (53:10) Andy’s Value Pick Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. Thursday, June 11th, the fantasy footballers podcast. Welcome in, one and all. We are talking about early value picks, early bust picks on today's show. Just got done with some breakouts on the last episode, some sleepers on the last. episode as well and we're happy to have you with us I won't bring up golf unless you want me to Jay I don't even know what that is there there have been I used to play that game there well so that's the thing we Mike my judge shakes his head in just full judgment on all of us that are because Mike is just above it or below it I don't know um there's the golf course right

back behind you that's definitely not Arizona right now Take away the trees. And add fire. And add fire. And desaturate the grass. Mike, don't you. Be dead. Don't you take like some, aren't you kind of impressed that we like we would start to get into playing golf while it's the hottest time of the year and we're still doing it?

Like, isn't that commitment? That is. Isn't that like. You are showing a true love of the game. A true love of the game is what Jason has. Not experienced today. But, you know, we're good. It was a long time ago.

People are just, every time we talk about it, they're like, what's your score? What's your actual score? I'm not asking, but I mean like... Right now... I did reply to one person. Like, we played at a par 72, 18-0 course. You shot at 95. Right?

Correct. 96, I think. 906, I think. Okay. Well, what did you shoot? Oh, that's 95. Oh, that's right. Yeah.

So, I mean, that people wanted to know. They didn't know. And now they know. People took guesses at the handicaps and things like that. And we are definitely handicapped on the course. Yeah. That is for sure. early busting values NFL news mailbag show today i feel like we've been watching jason you in particular

today as well just a lot of quarterback film yeah um cam ward Caleb Williams michael pinnicks drake may trying to trying to just remember and actually watch through what happened and when you when you're watching the games especially the way that we watch them right we're watching them live on sunday and we're watching eight or nine games at once you're taking in all these plays and then you do the analysis and the analytics and all that. But it's really different when you can watch everything cut up and just watch one player throw all of his passes. One player catch all of his targets.

You know, you just watch them over and over and over and over. And then you compare that to another quarterback right afterwards. And you go, wow, I didn't, I didn't remember how freaking bad Michael Pennix was, for instance. Like I was like, okay. That was one of your takeaways. That was one of my big take. It wasn't a good one. Okay, so two was the starter after watching that film.

I was like... Not good. Michael Pinnock's was terrible. Just downright, disgusting. Would you say that Cam Mourge's film was better than Michael Pinnock? Yes, and it wasn't great. Cam Mordes was not great. Correct.

But compared to Michael Pinnock's, it was awesome. You're correct, yeah. Yeah, we watched Caleb yesterday. I know you're watching some Jacoby today. Caleb had a lot of downfield passes. I was very impressed with Caleb. The more that I've been watching all these players, I'm just, man, I'm like, I think I'm like really in on Caleb this year, both for fantasy and for, I think he's going to take a massive step forward.

I don't know if I saw one of those passes that Caleb under threw. I think 90% of them, they were like your adrenaline is. No, his adrenaline was going and he was overthrowing. What a laser. But the more football film you watch, the more excited I got for the games. It's funny. We're going to talk about the bust picks in a little bit. And watching the Caleb film really made me confident in my bust pick today.

Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. Well, I don't know what your bust pick is. There you go. So I'll find out with everyone else. Mike is not happy with Mike. No, the people.

The people. The people hate it. The people are pretty fine with it. Are the people Mike? No, the people. Oh, okay. The UDK is out right now, the Ultimate Draftkit, Ultimate DraftKit.com.

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Do you have a different strategy between a home league or a more competitive league? Or a different strategy between the two types? I'll jump in and it's ADP. We play a very market-based game during the period of the draft, especially ADP is everything. You know, the wisdom of the crowd or the ignorance of the crowd as well. when you're in a home league, far more players are, they're not going to be researched. They're not going to, you know, they're just there to have a good time.

You're there to win. So you can take advantage of that, of the, because those players are going to be looking at the ADP and whatever their draft platform is and not take any risks and not realize, well, I'm going to get value. Where when you're in a competitive league, ADP can work against you because you're staring at that,

You were just in your home league and you're like, man, I got this player two rounds later. I'm going to sit and wait and then you get sniped because there's other people who, they are in the know. They listen to the information and you can work. It can work against you and you think you know exactly how the draft is going to go. So you're going to play the game with the ADP. And when you're in the competitive league, it doesn't work like that. You really just have to draft the players that you're wanting to draft,

not let the flow of the room disrupt that. Yeah, and I would say when I'm in a home league, what you just said, you said it for a different reason, but I tend to, like in a home league, it's a little easier you could take advantage. You can, you know, kind of crush souls, but also just take the guys you want to watch. Like that's when I'm playing in a league that is just far more for fun,

I want to enjoy. Is that just where you get shares of the, Yeah, exactly right. I'm like, I'm going to take my dude. Yeah, no, I mean, it makes sense. I don't think, you know, it's certainly different dynamics between both of them. Your home leagues are where you find a lot of those hometown players end up going a lot higher. But, yeah, some structural differences there. Let's talk some news.

News and notes from around the league. Well, these tight ends are tough, right? Tucker Kraft says he anticipates playing in week one without a snap count. Craft and kiddle, man. Craft and kiddle. Craft and kiddle. Kiddle and craft. Tough guys.

They. Yeah, they are. Mike brought him up recently, I think maybe on the last episode, just about how you feel like you're going to fall for this trap. I'm like, I'm on, yes, they're getting me. I'm pretty convinced. Yeah, you're going to be in on craft. And it's, I can't argue that much against it.

If he looks good and he's there early, I will, I will adjust. Right now I still have him a little lower in my rankings due to the fact that he is coming off of the, you know, the massive surgery and might not be ready for week one. But his breakout was legit. It really was. Going back and looking at his game log last year, it wasn't just the final, like, you know, it felt like kind of what we experienced with Travis Hunter. where it was like really one game where he had this massive breakout and then got injured because it did happen where after a massive game he got injured but he was having good weeks every single week and he was a big important part of their team and I know you like

Christian Watson a lot this year and part of the reason for that is you buy into the offense Romeo Dobbs is gone Matthew Golden hasn't proven that he can be that guy yet so one of those to Christian Watson or Tucker Kraft are going to score a lot of fancy points. Well, that'll be fun to watch for training camp time. Speaking of training camp, Alec Pierce's ankle surgery could end up

lasting into training camp, so he may not come back till the back half of training camp is the way it sounds right now. Again, I don't think you pay a guy $100 plus million dollars if you have any concerns about it. It's also not an ACL or a knee

situation. Long term is fine. It's just short term. Like, is he ready to go week one? That's something to watch. I think if he gets back for any training camp, will feel a lot better about it. Zach Charbonnet, more injury updates. Seahawks running back.

Got in some light field work with trainers at Mining Camp. Very light. 15 minutes of high knees. But that's good. Dude, I could knock out 15 minutes of high knees. You could get some light on field work done at training camp. I could knock out five minutes of high knees. Five minutes.

I don't know about 15 minutes. Oh? There you go. Do you know how long five minutes is for high knees? I can knock out a minute of high knees. Yes, there you go. Going back to the Alec Pierce thing, I'm just curious because we had this debate about Alec Pierce recently.

I feel like they're going to keep him in the same role. You feel like the opportunity is there because with Michael Pittman gone and Adnan Mitchell, there's a ton of targets that are needing to go somewhere. do you think this hurts his opportunity missing the first half of training camp or more? I'm not there. I'm not there where I'm worried about it yet. It just feels like if you're going to have him miss the training, it would be easy to be like, well, you're going to do what you did last year.

You already know all of it. I mean, his wide receiver target percentage last year and a bunch of these games was very, very high. And this was with an active Michael Pittman. I still think that you have a situation where, this is their dude. I mean, name somebody else is going to step into his role. Tyler Warren. Well, no.

He plays tight end. Josh Downs. No, he's little. Okay. Those are the two. If you had another name, like if you told me that there was somebody else that could step into that situation, those guys, if you talk about a role for those guys, they're defined. They're certain. Josh Downs is not moving outside.

So I don't have the fear right now. No, I don't. And the money talks to me. If it, you know, if the ankle starts talking to me later, then we'll have another conversation. You want to know a name that was uttered by the coach of the Colts recently? I don't think I want to know it. I'm only bringing it up because it's such, it's. Westbrookic Keynes?

No. No, it's insane. Laquantretaire. Yeah. Lequant tread well. I feel so much better about Pierce just by you saying that. This was not an argument for anything. It was simply like, really.

Do you have the quote? Do you have the actual quote? You posted it this morning, and I believe your words with it, was this was a real life quote. I'm really proud of Lequan Treadwell's growth and development is essentially what he was talking about. How many years has he been in the least? He's been in a minute now, guys. I'm really proud of his development. He's really. He's 30. This is a grown man.

Maybe he just meant like his physical development. Maybe he meant like as a person. as a person off the field. Yeah, mate. Yeah. This is not football, not like route for you or anything. He's like donating his time. Yeah.

Just a good guy. Who knows? Well, back to Zach Charbonnet. The expectation is October at best for Zach Charbonnet, which means Judarian Price is going to have an out-of-the-gate opportunity on the defending champs to get a ton of run. I mean, he maybe not all of it. You know, you can say George Halani's going to.

going to get work and sure but you drafted a there's only first round running back. If you say George Halani's name three times in a row the Holani hive will show up. You and two friends? No, no, I'm just saying like they're out there. I'm warning you. They are scary people. Yeah, let's move on. They meet in the cover of darkness. We won't talk too much about that. I did I bumped, I bumped price up a bit which is why it will be so hilarious when Halani is the starter.

That's twice. Do you think the price of price will increase. Yes. I mean, most of these rookies will be higher drafted closer to the season than they are right now. More off season. Wait, we haven't hit the hype train in a little bit, but let's do it because it's worthy.

I miss our old hype train. You always have. I like when we scared people on the road. Do I have to stop the train? Is that my job? Hey, you can't stop the train. Okay, because it really does go on forever. Bayshall Tudin continues to look like one of the most explosive elements of the entire Jacksonville offense.

I mean, with Crod not there, he has the opportunity to just take the A-chan roll. If you're drafting it all right now, you should be taking this discount because I don't think his ADB is going to hold. It feels like Jacksonville is primed to be the maybe hype center of the offseason right now, because we've gotten Bayshall-Tudin. We get the every day. It's Trevor Lawrence and BTJ looks so good together. But yet ADPs are fine.

Like no one, Mike, it's June. What I'm saying, well, Tudin could rise. Thank you, Jason. He could rise up dramatically. But the wide receivers, no one has any idea what to do with them. So I think they're going to stay late no matter what. Well, because they all have equal hype. You know, Travis Hunter will get hype and Parker Washington will get hype.

Yeah, but Bechall Tudin continues to look like he wants the lead job. Todd Munkin, Brown's head coach, that is, not Baltimore's office coordinator anymore. Brown's head coach Todd Monkin said he's unlikely to name a starting quarterback by the conclusion of the of the minicamp. Oh man. So that'll go into training camp. The advantage. Honestly, I don't think he really needs to figure out. I know.

This one isn't, this isn't a competitive advantage. This is like, dude, I have no idea. Yes. I have to, when you have to pick one of these two guys, you're like, ah, give me more time. Yeah. I mean, he's actively looking into the outs of his contract. Like. Do I have to coach this team?

Which faulty parachute do I jump out of this plane with? I think he's going from circus to circus looking for Zoltron machines and just like trying to make wishes here. Like, please. Is that a big reference? It was. Hot current reference. Well, we'll start talking about some, you know, some players we think might disappoint in just a minute. Before we jump into our early bust picks on today's show, I do want to.

want to say this. You said good luck Munkin right before the break. And the two coaches, I think, that look the most in trouble are ironically on the opposite ends of the age spectrum. When I watch Todd Munkin try to... And yet, very predictable that them going to those franchises be like, good luck. Yeah. I mean, the Cardinals, new head coach, Woody Wedpecker. Dude. I see it. I see it. You don't want to just destroy a man because of some aesthetic choices.

Oh. So LaFleur and then Todd Monkin. He's the older elder statesman in those situations are kind of how both would find themselves in a head coaching job. The Cardinals and the Browns are not serious organizations. No, they are not. Well, speaking of bus. Bus. I forgot the video.

You're Humpty Dumpty in that situation? Well, I am an egg. And you fell out, not necessarily. Because there are other eggs with different names. Well, there are other eggs. Also, I believe there's nothing in the nursery rhyme that actually says Humpty Dumpty is an egg. Yeah, but we all know. But, well, that's, we all are assuming.

But has it ever been proven that Humpty Dumpty is? He sat on a wall. Yeah. He had a great fall. Okay. All the King's horses. All the Kings and couldn't put Humpty back together again. So why, but why is he an egg?

Many things would break if they took a great fall. What is he if he's not an egg and his name's Humpty Dumpty? That's not a great name. No. You think there's one person named that in the world? No. No. No.

Because if your last name is in fact Dumpty, you're not going with Humpty. I want to, I want to, if your last name is John. I'm John Dumpty. If your last name is Dumpty, please reach out. I just want to meet you. Free tickets to our live show. That's Mr. Dumpty to you. Dumpty.

No one with the last name of Dumpty goes Humpty. You got to be an egg to be a dumpty. Kyle's diving in. He's going to do the research for us. Nursery rhymes is where it's at. We are starting with our bus picks, Jason. Let me define this for the listening audience here. Not players that we're saying are guaranteed to fail,

but have some things that maybe are working against them or represent high risk. Or maybe things look beautiful on the outside. The fantasy finish, so to speak, looks great. and maybe you need to beware and look at the low end outcomes or you know maybe relative to ADP we don't like them that type of thing. Yeah a lot of times you know in the UDK

we'll have a bus section and they're not always guys we don't believe in sometimes it's just like this guy's being overdrafted. You're not going to be happy. For best example of that was last year's Ashton Genti who was in our bus list and he finished as the running back 12 but everyone who played knew like

that was a bust pick. You took him you know halfway through the first round and he really got off to a hard time. Now my bust pick on today's episode. Hold on Jay. There's an update here from Carl. Is this? Kyle. How certain are you of this? It doesn't matter. I'm going forward with it. Okay. We have the

he gave us a screenshot of the Dumpty family history. There is a Dumpty family history. With the name Seymour. Seymour. Seymour Dumpty. So there was a fact of. Seymour Dumpty. Oh, no. There was also a Hartford Dumpty. Seymour Dumpty. That's from Ancestry.com.

It says we've only scratched the surface of the dumpy family history. You wouldn't even believe how many dumpties. Oh my gosh. That's pronounced with a dumpy. So I'm going to be Mrs. Dumpty, is it? Huh. Maybe I'll keep my name. Yeah, it's a real Julia Gulia.

Humpty Dumpty. This is ridiculous. All right, we have bus picks. Jason, were you volunteering to go first? Yeah, I'll go first because I alluded to this earlier. Less is more. Yeah. And honestly, this.

this is not one of those where I think he's being just slightly over drafted. Like I won't be drafting this player. Like I do think this will just be a bust and a wasted pick. And where he's going right now, he's going ahead of players that I think are great picks. That is wide receiver, brand new shiny toy for Josh Allen, DJ Moore. DJ Moore has been a great NFL wide receiver. He's been great for fantasy a handful of times. He kept saying, oh, if he could only have a quarterback, he'd be great.

Unfortunately, he didn't have a quarterback. And so he was always like a wide receiver, too, very, very solid. I mean, you look back at his, you know, wide receiver 18, wide receiver 22, 19, 22. Wide receiver 6, that was his big year in Chicago, and then wide receiver 17, last year fell down to wide receiver 33. And the thing is, is I think he has lost a lot of what made him special. I just talked about when I watched the Caleb Williams tape, it made him. it made me more confident in this this bus pick because i would watch luther burden look awesome rome look awesome mr love oh oh always looks awesome he looked great oh and he's hungry and then

every target to dj more was like oh man who is that oh that's number two it just didn't it didn't look good and and some of the stats really really bear that out um you know i i know that jo um uh said Why can't I think Joe Brady? Yes, thank you. Joe Brady talked about how. Oh, Joe. He felt like he didn't see any drop off in the film when he was looking to acquire. Yeah, last year's film.

He hasn't seen any drop off. Yeah. They were together five years ago. So Joe Brady back in the day in Carolina is used to a certain DJ more that I don't think he is anymore. Career low in receptions, career low in receiving yards, career low in yards per route run, career low and forced miss tackles. This was like DJ Moore was a yak master. Get the ball in his hands and watch him break tackles.

He broke four tackles last year against Mann. He used to dominate. This year, targets per route run 16%. That's bad. Yards per route run against man less than a yard. Zero point seven. Yeah, that is like, that's dog doodoo. he's not the same guy

and then you look at like I mean we've seen this like Amari Cooper good maybe passes prime goes to the bills and you get excited because it's like Josh Allen needs his Stefan Diggs that he had of old where it's like oh it's going to be

a top 10 wide receiver for fantasy but that's not the way this team runs anymore you look at in 2024 Josh Allen became the first top five fantasy quarterback to not have a top 36 wide receiver. And then in 2025, you did it again. It's like that's just who they are.

He spreads the ball around. They're not going to target an alpha one. And DJ Moore is not an alpha one. Right now, he is being drafted ahead of Mike Evans. We'll talk about him in a minute. Carnell Tate, top 10 first round wide receiver rookie. I would love that. Christian Watson.

We're big fans of him. Roma Dunezay. You know I'm in on that. Jordan Tyson. I want all of those guys more than DJ Moore. DJ Moore's being drafted right on that wide receiver two, three bubble. And I mean, first of all, even when DJ Moore's had big games or big seasons, it's come inconsistently.

He's not a high volume every game target earner. So I just think at 29 years old, year nine changing teams is not going to work. The name is carrying a lot of weight with it that the performance, probably won't. And I love that. I love that. I hope his ADP doesn't drop. I love seeing him where he is because I know someone's going to make that mistake. And it won't be me. And I, you know, I'll eat the words if he has a resurgence in, you know, year nine changing teams. Your namesake too. Here's the other. That's a little bit tough. Sad. Here's the other year nine wide receivers changing teams. Randall Cobb sucked. Marvin Jones sucked. Alan Robbins had sucked. Odell

Beckham sucked, Nelson Aguilar sucked, Tyler Boyd sucked, and Cooper Cup sucked. And then there was one good example who was a potential Hall of Famer in Devante Adams when he went to the Raiders to play with his best friend at quarterback. Do we get ourselves

in lots of trouble in fantasy? This is the things to remember thing of the projecting the next blank. Yes. Yeah. I mean, it feels like that works out almost never. I mean, the next Tyree Kill in Kansas City, we went through 15 different players. It happens with coaches, too. Like a coach comes over and so it's like, oh, who's going to be in

that role? It's like, well, that was, that's not, that's not how it works. Remember how I believe it was just talked about with the Cardinals? Michael Wilson is in the Puka role. Right. Well, that's Pucca's role. Jason, it remains to be, the Los Angeles Rams have to deal with the Arizona Cardinals. Remember the next West Welker for 14. years. Oh, man. Is he on the Patriots? Is he white?

Oh, man. Hey, we got it. We got Edelman. I was going to say, that one actually did happen. Yeah, we got it worked out a little bit. That took a while, though. Danny Madolo was in there. How long after was.

The next gronk? Edelman. Yeah, the next gronk? Oh, man. Absolutely. We did that. I remember some, oh my gosh. Yeah, no.

What was the long hair? I didn't want to reference him. I know. I don't remember. Kyle save us. Kobe Fleanor. No. No, no, he was a Patriot.

This was a Patriot. preseason hero that flashed for five seconds. Yeah, we just talked about this guy. Yeah, we'll find it. Mike, I'm going to let you go next since you're going to mix a running back into the into the last picks. I'm going to go with the

player who I've, it will not surprise people to hear this name, a player who is being drafted as the starter as the RB1 from their team. And I don't think that he is. I think that he is the auxiliary, maybe the third down guy. It is R.J. Harvey of the Denver Broncos, who the best ball drafters have a better idea

as he's going as RB 31, and he's RB21 right now in Sleeper. I'll start with the good. He's one of nine rookie running back since 2010 to score 12 or more touchdowns. That sounds great. The problem is he did it on 193 total touches, And I mean, as a problem, like, that is, that's a level of efficiency that just cannot be replicated. There was excitement for RJ Harvey.

It was a surprise second round pick. Running back's being drafted in the second round. That's generally a good strategy for us to go after. And yet the teams beat reporters were like, nope, it's going to be J.K. Dobbins. I'm trying to tell you, it's going to be J.K. Dobbins as the starter. And then week one hits. And there it is. J.K. Dobbins is the guy.

before Dobbins was hurt I mean Harvey was just not seeing opportunities he was at 8 and a half and then weeks 13 through 17 he got to be the guy the opportunities went up the scoring went up and yet

he was unbelievably inefficient as a runner we had 55 quality 55 55 qualified running back with 80 or more rush attempts he was 51st and runs stuffed at the line,

and percentage of runs stuffed at the lines. 52nd in runs of 10 or more yards. The explosive, the super fast electric, R.J. Harvey couldn't rip off runs of 10 or more yards. 49th at success rate. 48th in yards after contact per attempt. I just, I don't, if I don't see a world where R.J. Harvey returns anything close to his ADP unless the running back room for Denver gets completely depleted again. You want to bet on a Dobbins injury?

Yeah. Yeah, I get it. He actually, I get it. Like, Dobbins, he gets hurt all the time. But when he is on the field, Dobbins is awesome. Like, he just,

he plain delivers for every single team that he has ever played for. He just does get hurt a lot. But Harvey right now is being drafted, like he's going to, like the takeover has happened. And I just, I don't understand it. He's going around players who are a much better odds

of actually making an, impact on your team. And drafting Harvey where he's going in your home leagues, I just, I think it is a complete waste of a pick and you're going to be sitting around waiting and waiting and waiting for when you can finally plug him into a starting lineup. Well, when you pick him, you need to play him. It is ADP. And you can't.

And that's a huge problem if you suddenly lose that confidence, which, look, there are all, you know, John Coleman, who we like, who we believe is a good runner, should have some opportunities. And a great pass catcher. And Peyton's history is to give other guys that we don't even know much about. opportunities. Tyler Badee. Yeah, I was going to say your name can be Badee and you can get the ball. Yeah. Now, I mean, I like pushing back when I disagree.

I agree with both of your picks, like wholeheartedly. My pick will not be agreed upon by Mike. No. At all. But I think this is a player that is an absolute fantasy football mirage for your team. And I say that with all due respect, but I don't hear any respect. But my, my, he said with all due respect. I said all due. That doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want afterwards.

It's safe flowers. It's zayflowers. And the people are booing, I guess. The people hate it. Now here's, here's the truth about zayflowers that I think is very difficult to, for some, to swallow, to deal with.

I think it's obvious by his ADP that people know that what happened last year by fantasy finish number is not, it's not, it's not like indicative of what he actually represented for your team because last year he had a wide receiver seven finish now that was 12.1 fantasy points per game um but his ADP this year is 21 on sleeper 15 on underdog there's there's nothing wrong with zayflowers the player but i think in fantasy you know we've seen four year three years of A flowers.

And last year to finish at 7, when I look at the game log, I'm mesmerized by the fact that that math works out. I really am. He had career highs. I'm going to give him, here's his flowers for flowers. 118 targets, 86 receptions, 1,200 yards. That's great. Those are all awesome numbers.

Week one, monster performance. How many fantasy points do you have? 27, something like that? 24.6.5 p.r. Number one overall wide receiver in the first week of the season. for the next 12 weeks. So 71% of the fantasy season. So like almost, you know, a huge majority,

he averaged eight fantasy points per game as a wide receiver, 41. His next highest finish in the next 12 weeks was 21 overall. He wasn't a top 24 receiver for the other 11 weeks. So the math ends up somehow he's wide receiver 7 because he in, he booked into the years with number one overall finishes. So week 18 when it didn't matter for fantasy, number one. Week one, huge impression for your team. I'm going to, I got a guy.

Number one. And then he had a great fantasy playoffs. I'll give him that 8, 18, and 11. But when you put the context together, it's just a really tough situation for me to buy into the draft price for Zayflowers. I can't see a world where I'm taking him over Devante Smith, amekaabuka, Terry McLaren, Cam Scoutaboo, Bayshall Tootin, who you love, Jameson Williams. Like maybe you can have that debate if you want. I think that's fair.

Yeah, that one is. I want a little safer dude or I want a little more explosive or more volatility, higher upside is on the Jameson Williams. The more regular safe approach player would be Zay Flowers. I have Zay Flowers ranked around where his ADP is. Which is 21. Yeah, and I'm not, I'm not OUT on Zay Flavis. hours, but I am closer on Andy's side than the people's.

Because I mean, we've seen, we know who he is. And he's a, he is not, he's, we're not saying he's a bad wide receiver. He's just for fantasy, he doesn't have that, like, he's going to score five touchdowns. You know, and that's kind of how when they get around the goal line, he's not a goal line threat. He's just not, and he shouldn't be. They've got Mark Andrews. They've got Derek Henry. They've got Lamar Jackson.

and that's not, you know, they should be putting their best foot forward, and it's not his A-Flowers there. So then you just have a low, I know he finished wide receiver seven, but like you're saying, and the process didn't help you. I have really good numbers for this, because if you look at every top 10 wide receiver since 2019, and you look at their fantasy finish and their consistency rank, and you compare them, because we give you those consistency scores.

So he finished at seven. His consistency was 16. That's a delta of nine. So he is minus nine. He's a B. that was minus nine. We looked at all the players that had a similar delta, right? Anything where their consistency was not with their fancy finish.

69% of those finished outside the top 15 the next year, 50% were a wide receiver 24 or worse. It's not a good sign if your consistency rank and your fantasy finish are that far apart. I just feel like Baltimore as a team, and maybe with the new head coach and a new offensive ideology, at least the potential for change is there. they spent what, Sarat and Jacoby Lane.

So they drafted two wide receivers. And every single time I've ever watched Baltimore, I've never said to myself, they need Zayflowers to win this game. They may use them in this game to win and that game to win. I don't go into the game saying, like I'd say that about Derek Henry. I'd say that about Lamar Jackson running the football. I might even say that about Mark Andrews for about four, five years. But I've never been in those games.

I'm like, man, Zayflowers has taken this one over. And that's where the disrespect that Mike hears comes in. Yes. where I think he's a really good player but I think the fantasy community already knows this or he wouldn't be a fifth round pick you don't draft the wide receiver seven in the fifth round unless you already don't believe that finish

which you've never defended that finish you've never come out and been like this is the seventh best wide receiver in fantasy no but to me relative to the draft spot I've got him so he's being drafted on underdog at 15 Mike's got him at 16 Jason at 17 I'm at 24 so it is a bust

for me it was one of those players that stood out where my fantasy finish was quite a bit further than you guys. He's 21 fifth round pick and unsleeper. So I'm not too far off of that. But when I have to draft him, I feel like I'm going to have to say this is in

every week wide receiver two and I don't think I can get there. He was you know, he's hitting 10 points or more a lot of the time. He said be inconsistency. So maybe the you guys don't see the ceiling

case for Zayflower with Declan Doyle coming in and this, I think that, I think that's a huge deal, actually, is, like, if you told me, okay, it's, we loved Monkin. Yeah, but this is what I'm saying is, if it were the same old, same old for the Baltimore Ravens, I would be looking at Zayflowers and this ADP

and being like, nah, like, I don't see, I don't see how it changes. And I agree the identity of the team will still be Lamar and Henry. This is going to, like, the AFC North, but this is going to be a team that has to run. Yeah, no, we have news. Do you want me to hit it? No, no, no, no, just hold on, hold on. Oh, you got more stuff to say?

Yeah, and so I'm saying with the new head coach coming in and how good I think Zayflowers actually is as a wide receiver, I do see a world where he spikes into, he gets up to eight touchdowns, maybe even nine. He had one red zone touchdown last year. Yeah, this is what I'm saying. It is, but there's like, he's not built for it. It's a completely different offense that will be happening.

Do you see the possibility of Jacoby Lane and Surrott competing for the wide receiver three spot, yeah. But I mean like being more part of the offense? I do not, especially with what I'm reading so far. I mean, it's Bateman still locked in as the two. Bateman and Trudwell going to be, it's going to be there forever. Bateman just keeps cash in huge checks, though. Like the team, he is the number one target. when it comes to passing offense.

The passing offense of the Baltimore Ravens wasn't actually that good last year. If you remember, Lamar Jackson did not have his finest year, missed a bunch of games. And so for Flowers to do what he did last year just speaks to me of this is a good player who has gone from 24 to 25 to 29% of the targets. I mean, you push 29, 30% again,

and you just get a little bit of touchdown luck. He can easily squeak in. and repeat a top 10 performance. I don't have them stated there nor projected there. But betting on talent, Zayflowers is locked in there. Breaking news. We have a break. Yeah, thank you.

Yeah. We have a new deal for Patrick Mahomes. Is that what just broke? That is what is breaking. The total value of the deal? Very expensive. So the new money. They were riding cheap with Mahomes.

homes for a while. The new money on the deal is worth $239 million. The total value of the deal is $504.75 million from 2026 to 233. There'll be more updates like this over the course of that time as well. Half a billion. It's all guaranteed. $504 million guaranteed. Wait. No. It becomes guaranteed through contract mechanisms, according to Adam Schuster. Does the first four years are being guaranteed at signing? Right, but it says all 504 becomes guaranteed through contract mechanisms. Okay, so it'll be like... He can earn up to 522, and boy, he must really want that.

You got to, whenever I'm making 504, I'm like, how can I get to 522? You want to motivate him, man. The deal averages $64 million per year. Okay. Kansas City. Cardinals are going to have to pay Jacoby now. Do you think that this... Yeah, yeah, they should have got that deal done.

They got a $3 million deal for Jacoby Brissette, and they just sheld out $522 million. Did we cause this to happen talking about how McAfee was going to make more than Mahomes on last episode? Because he was asking for $60 million a year. They probably did. They probably, yeah. McAfee's not, no way. Did you hear that, you hear those fantasy nerds talking about that money? Yeah.

Wow. Congratulations. Kansas City. Kansas City. Unleash the offense. Figure it out. Mahomes has the least deep touchdowns in the league the last couple years. Four years.

Sorry, BNME is back. The thing about the chiefs, the high flying. Signed Tyreek. You should. They really should. When the chiefs were destroying everybody and just going to Super Bowl after Super Bowl until, you know, it trailed off. But the offense was so fun to watch.

We didn't hate the Chiefs. Like, we didn't hate the Chiefs. at least the way I remember it is like we hadn't turned. We wanted to watch the Chiefs. Because they didn't have the titles yet either. Well, but even when they turn when you win a bunch too. Even when he had a couple, I feel like it was like, oh no, I still like the Chiefs because they're very fun to watch.

This is a great product. And then it just became so boring the last couple of years, still succeeding. That's when they're missing. That's when we turned. I mean, I hope Ken Walker can be a part of this. Oh, please. Because they're missing like, it was Kareem Hunt and it was Tyree Kill. and it was prime Kelsey.

Now you have old Kelsey, you have Pacheco, and you've got Rice missing games, and you've got to throw the ball to Justin Watson. That's not fun. There's a reason why he has eight touchdown passes of over 30 yards or whatever it was in the last handful of years, the least in the league. They don't have the personnel.

And then they spent the whole draft on defense. I would not be shocked. Figure it out. If they're still, you know, in his fantasy value, Patrick Mahomes came from running the football, and now he's coming off an ACL injury. And his number one wide receiver is also coming off of a knee surgery. Currently in jail.

Like currently right now in jail. It's so brutal. Yeah, I just saw he won the opportunity to be in his own cell to rehab the knee after some of the days. Oh, that's some good. Congratulations, Rashi. No contract extension announced for Rashi, surprisingly now. No, any minute. We'll take a break.

Refreshing your email. We'll come right back. Are you really you're really doubling up? I really am. I guess it's get it out of the way, Mike. Because it needs to be said. So you know how I don't like R.J. Harvey? Yes.

I like J.K. Dobbins, who is just where he is in the draft is, what it can do to the build of your team is unbelievable. He's going in the mid-30s, both in best ball and on sleeper currently. he was all this chatter what are the Denver Broncos going to do at the running back position they're going to do something they're in on the big names they're trying to get Breeze they wanted Bruce Hall they wanted Ken Bone Walker they wanted Rumbolaia they wanted to make a move they weren't able to do it and so they end up bringing jk. Dobbins back it's a two-year deal it's worth up to 16 million it's 8 million guaranteed which it's not nothing and the fact that he was so successful as the starter versus what RJ Harvey gave you. This is the same team, guys, the same offensive line. J.K. Dobbins was running for over five a carry. He, well, RJ Harvey's at 3.7, runs going for more than five yards.

Like a good chunk run. 41% of Dobbins carries, 29% of RJ Harvey's. 10-yard runs. Almost 14% for J.K. Dobbins went down at 5.5. percent for RJ Harvey. It's just he is such a better runner than than RJ Harvey and he's going in the the in the ninth round. You like he affords you to be you take your elite tight end. Take take a freaking quarterback with the tight end. I don't care because you can get a running back too in the ninth round. Do you think that Jonah Coleman could make this a three way time share

which would really make all three. They didn't make Dobbins a priority. That would be one of my counter arguments was that Dobbins sat out there and they were kind of canoodling with some other free agents at the running back position. And then they settled on returning,

you know, they got one in the draft and they bring Dobbins back. They have Harvey. That's, I think that's my biggest concern. Now I don't think, like everything of what you're saying is right

and Dobbins is showing that in training camp, this ADP won't stay. but it won't go up to a point where it's unaffordable. He'll maybe go. So in our mock draft, Jason took him in the seven. The seventh round, you got Kyle Monungay. Like, he's an interesting player, but he's definitely not the starter. You have, you know, like Rico is, it's just weird with him and J.

Lamarren, Blake Corum, and then there's J.K. Dobbins. I don't know if the team, like last year he was kind of a revelation, right, where you expected maybe the rookie gets an impact. He comes out and gets it done. And I don't disagree on the value or anything. I'm just more so talking philosophically about J.K. Dobbins. If I'm that team and I, like, Harvey's gotten his reps and I go out and I get Jonah Coleman, I don't see a world where J.K. Dobbins is getting more work than he got

last year by any stretch of the imagination. Because he got hurt doing it, right? Like that was part of it. Is J.K. Dobbins, injury prone, gets hurt with too much work. That's where my hesitation would come. but right now it's like a free player. I feel like it's a free player and it's a free starter who was

before the injury game, his consistency was a B what he was putting up. He was at 11 fantasy points a week on average. The team's going to win a lot of games and they're going to be winning a lot of games to their defense. Yes, elite defense. So giving the ball to a veteran running back makes sense. Who actually has success on the ground as opposed to RJ Harvey. Jason, your value pick.

My value pick, I've been talking about him, talking them up this whole offseason. I know, Andy, you disagree with me on this one, which is fine. But I think Mike Evans is a great value. I believe he's going to be very good this year. He is old. He's changing teams. He's 32.8 years old. Those are some of those things you're always looking for.

Yeah, I mean, no, I mean, I'm bringing those up because that's usually something I avoid. That was your DJ Moore argument. Well, that was year nine. And also in that argument, that was year nine. We're not, Mike Evans is way past year nine. Yeah, but also the one guy who stood out on that list who was great when he changed teams, he was the wide receiver three, was Devante Adams because he's like a Hall of Fame level. Yes.

Calibur wide receiver. That's what Mike Evans is. He's a Hall of Fame second ballot Hall of Fame wide receiver in the future. And this is a team that is projected to score a ton of. points. Like right now, they're, I think, like, the third highest, fourth highest in projected points. Who's going to score the touchdowns? Obviously, Christian McCaffrey's going to get his. We don't know about the health of George Kittle. Mike Evans is going to be a touchdown machine. Brock Purdy throws touchdowns. They lost John Jennings. Every report from San Francisco right now is

about how amazing Mike Evans is. The connection between Purdy and Mike Evans has been awesome. healthy. I mean, that's really, see, that's the issue to me. I don't think you have two arguments. You have the argument that he's lost it. He's old and it's just like don't go in on that. That's fine. Maybe that's true. You have the other argument of, well, he's injury prone. And so I don't want, I mean, going to San Francisco, goodness gracious, an injury prone wide receiver, that's fine. And I do believe there's a chance that this is a pick where if he gets injured, you go, well, shoot, I should have seen this coming. feel really stupid. But when he's on the field, he's going to score a ton of fantasy points. He's not going to be, I don't think he's going to be a wide receiver three. I think he's going to be a

potential wide receiver one. I think he could be a top 12 wide receiver. And he's going in a place in the draft where it's like, you're not, you are drafting an old guy changing teams who was injured last year and you're worried about it. But the scheme that Kyle Shanahan has really leads to a lot of specifics that Mike Evans does. They play with two wide receivers on the field often. That sounds, some people think that's bad for fantasy. That's great for fantasy for wide receivers. It's consolidation of targets.

When Mike Evans has been in two wide receiver sets, he has dominated. That is his bread and butter. I just think what Shanahan does, what Brock Purdy does, and what Mike Evans does is a match made in heaven, is very similar to my argument. last year with George Pickens and Dak. They just, what Dak does well is what George Pickens does well. It was, and they needed him. And that's the thing here is like, they need Mike Evans.

They need a wide receiver one. And everything about, you know, hey. Yeah, is that Ricky P? This is Ricky Mouse. Ricky Mouse. But you're going, Mice Evans. What's that? Oh, I missed it.

That's fine. It's fine. It's fine. I see some negative head shaking. It was a mouse slash mice reference. Mice Evans for Ricky Mouse. Oh my goodness. I mean, it wasn't really like, it was more just,

I was throwing it right back to you real quick and you couldn't pick it up. Oh, yeah, there's a reason. I don't pick up turds. Listen, let me, I don't like that joke. I'm going to make a, I'm going to, I'm going to say something that you're going to love. I love Mike Evans. Okay. If it was 20, 23.

because that's that's when he was a my guy and i loved mike evans look you're not going to win any argument opposing you on the basis of what mike evans is done that's not any argument against mike he's done everything he's been amazing he's been one of the greatest white receivers we've ever seen in fact his career has spanned our career almost perfectly where he's dominated the entire time that we've been doing the podcast you have to like i noticed that we can't we throw last year out because he was injured i mean he did play like he started the year is the wide receiver 41, 48, 27, then he was out, came back 8, 24, 28, and 50. We won't know if the wheels were falling off very much last year, but I tell you what,

there's a chance they were when you're 32 years old. You're going to be 33 this season. Like, I don't like the basis of saying something's just going to go wrong, and that's my entire argument. But it's, it is, it is my argument. I mean, it didn't work with CMC, but it did. It worked with Purdy and it worked with Pierceall and it worked with, you know, the other parts of this offense and it has worked when you look at San Francisco not quite figuring it out

with some of these pieces. Like, if Mike Evans has the fountain of youth and at 33 years old is producing at, you know, 28-year-old Mike Evans levels, you're going to be right. His situation is really good. But it's not like we don't like Baker Mayfield. Like he produced

wide receiver five numbers with Baker Mayfield in 2023. I don't think it's an upgrade on his situation that much to what he was doing then. Well, no, but I mean, the targets, 57% vacant targets. His targets aren't going to change that much. So this is, I mean, I'm just saying the need for him is like, so if he goes down, you say it's not going to work out, it's going to go wrong, he's going to go down. I'm saying, where do they throw the, it's, I mean, then you should be drafted. I didn't say he was going to go down.

Are you drafting Ricky Pearsall like a lot? No. No. No. Come on. What I said was not that he's going down. I said something's going to go wrong. Well, sure, but we know what that would be.

Well, no, because it can be party getting hurt. It could be... Do you think that the 49ers... Them not building him into the offense to the way that you like it? Do you believe the 49ers' offense will be a good offense? A lot of points? All healthy. No, no, no.

But like on the course of the year, healthy, not healthy? I mean, the 49ers are never healthy. Do you think that this is an offense that will be a top 10 scoring offense? Probably in that range. Probably in that range, yeah. So it's got to be somewhat. So I guess if you're listening and you're like, I'm not doing a 33-year-old hamstring, you know, tight hamstring guy.

I'm just not doing that. Then I would say draft Ricky P. Because someone here is going to emerge. Except for that argument didn't work last year. Because that argument was completely applicable to Ricky P. He wasn't the beneficiary of it. It became Joanne Jennings in a CMC year and Kittal was on fire. So like other things do happen.

Like other players come in and produce. That's all I'm saying. I have my fears. That's it. 33-year-old changing. team guys, the arguments you made for this is Hall of Famer. So maybe he can do what Julio couldn't do

and he can go to San Francisco and Dominie. I do think it's in the range of outcomes. But I also think like you have him ranked in a place where he's going to start every week for you. Yes. And you're going to be counting on it. Would you take Mike Evans or Abuka?

I would take Abuka. I was just curious. I didn't know. Nothing. No agenda there. Just curious where you were at. I guess I have to share mine. Yes, you do. His name's Kenneth Gainwell. Oh, oh. And not sleeper because he woke last year, right?

But a value pick on today's show. I haven't ranked higher than you guys do. I haven't at 32. We put him back in the ADP deep freeze, though. Oh, yeah. And that's where guys like this live. That's where they're always going to live. Do you remember how many years Darren Sproles lived in that place?

Oh, man. And then because you could never find a clear path for the dude. like mentally you could well they they have these other two starting running back so darren's okay he figured it out like kenneth gainwell last year was unbelievable for pittsburgh i look at the depth chart here in tampa bay bucky irving is is a huge wild card obviously and i don't know if he was brought up on the wild card show he probably was um Sean Tucker whatever and then kenneth gainwell is here to be the beneficiary of an offense that has passed the ball to the running back position very frequently.

Rashad White, the entire case you made for him on Tuesday, you talked about how effective he was with Baker Mayfield for many years. Kenneth Gainwell is just a pros pro. He led the Steelers with 73 receptions. He's not going to, he's a free player. You talk about J.K. Dobbins in the ninth round.

Kenneth Gainwell, you're going to get him there or later. And running backs are hard to come by. So, you know, he wasn't just a checkdown guy in Pittsburgh. That might be one of the things you're thinking about. He lined up all over the, the place. And this is a team that lost the aforementioned Mike Evans. They don't know what they have in Bucky Irving and he's still not healthy. And Bowles back in late March said he's one B to Bucky's 1A. So they're already kind of setting the stage for this being a two-headed

situation. It hurt players like Jaylen Warren last year at times because Kenny Gainwell came in and stole opportunities in the game. And look, do you have, what's your confidence of on Bucky Irving being a star this year. Being a star. I mean, being a, what he was as a rookie. 30. It's low. 33%.

So, so this is, there's not other names to step up here. And they really need another pass catcher to come and, and provide something from the back. So I think it's a really interesting situation. Hopefully an upgraded offensive coordinator. Grisard is gone. Zach Robinson has, has arrived. It's just to me very interesting. to see the contract numbers that they gave him.

A couple years, $14 million, the passing down value, right, a target worth more than the carry, and being a kind of a Swiss Army knife for the offense. So I think it's not a name you're going to enjoy taking. People will roll their eyes and not care when you take them, probably like J.K. Dobbins. But you might just end up putting them in your flex position

before you know it. This kind of my take on Kenny Gainwell. No, I'm in. You want murky situations, and gainwell the money is very important to me that they pursued him

and they said what did they give him? It's not it was like cash or yeah credit cards it's it's Amazon gift cards hey that's it was nine point eight

guaranteed worth up to 14 okay two years yeah two years I mean it's not it's not the most money but he's got to be thrilled

this was a player that looked like a bit part player that became a feature player. You know, you said a lot about Rashad White. We saw Rashad White where we had to begrudgingly accept what he was able to do in this offense catching the football. And he caught like every pass. And then what, Buck Irvin came and caught every pass.

Like I think maybe Baker is really good at throwing to running backs. Yeah, for sure. I will say that it's a very, very good match between the quarterback and running back. The skills and what they excel at is a great match. comes down to Bucky. Because if Bucky gets back to rookie Bucky and he's explosive and he is the star that he was, they'll use him in that way. He will be

more of a workhorse. But if he can't get back and currently he's injured and he is undersized. Or the efficiency is where he was last year. Right, exactly. Or he doesn't, yeah, he's not that same explosive guy. Then they will get Gainwell on the field way more than we will want and he'll score fantasy points because when you catch i mean he had 114 targets last year obviously different team different situation but that's the you know not every running back can ever get a hundred targets you watched uh jes you said you watched rogers you were watching some rogers do you understand why kenneth came well got that amount of targets yes because you he can't

throw down the field anymore and he's coming back rogers he rogers is back who's going to catch the ball of the backfield. Jalen Warren? Yeah. Warren or Rico, I don't know. They both can. What about your guy? Oh, Caleb Johnson.

No, no, no. That's not my guy. Heidenreichs my guy. That's what's going to emerge. Yeah. The Swiss Navy knife. Swiss Navy knife? Yeah, not our, no, yeah, I think.

Did he go to Navy? Yeah, he was from Navy. Oh, my gosh. It's great. It's a great name. I think it was their running back. ex-coach that coined that. Oh, man.

It's no dumpy. No. But it's pretty good. Next Tuesday. It's dumpy MD. Next Tuesday, underrated, overrated. That was a super fun show last year. I'm looking forward to that one.

Or we go through a handful, maybe up to 10 situations in fantasy. And some stuff like some rules and league settings and stuff. And we marked them, you know, we just vote live on the show. Are they underrated, overrated situations? Do we agree? me not. That was a blast last year. We're going to do that on Tuesday. And we'll get into some surprising teams on Thursday's episode and some mailbag as well. Check out the UDK Ultimate DraftKit.com. Until next time, boys, for Andy Mike Jason, Dr. Dumpty, we say goodbye.

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