Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Early Top 15 WR Rankings + Jason FORE!!! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 4/16

Episode Date: April 16, 2026

Fantasy Football show for Apr 16, 2026. WR rankings and debates! Andy, Mike, and Jason discuss the top wide receivers for the upcoming fantasy football season. Find out where Justin Jefferson, Puka Na...cua, and others landed in pre-draft rankings. Just ONE WEEK until the NFL Draft! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. Get the lowest price on the 2026 UDK at UltimateDraftKit.com - Instant access to the Dynasty Pass with the UDK+ Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:06 to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. Thursday, April 16th, one week away from the NFL draft. It's the fantasy footballers podcast. Jason Moore, although this morning it was like Jason for. Oh, that's not nice. And honestly. We went golfing this morning.
Starting point is 00:00:51 Well, you only yell four when you're like about to hit someone, right? Yeah. I mean, I think you just, it's something you can say before you even swing. Really? I think there are rules to this. If you know what they're going to do, no, you played fine. We just, I was a little disappointed because the last time I went out with Al Borland and we played some golf. He didn't finish the round.
Starting point is 00:01:11 And it was really entertaining for us. It was frustrating for him. But today he was, he was fine. Yeah. I'm not going to say good. Well, that's fun. But he was fine. Yeah, it was better than one guy.
Starting point is 00:01:23 Which one guy was that? Oh, don't. Oh! I knew this was coming. I knew this was coming. I knew as soon as he brought it up, we're going to get around to Jeremy beat me by one stroke. And let the record show.
Starting point is 00:01:37 I didn't mean to do this. Let the record show right now. $100 one-on-one anytime you want. They're playing next week, aren't we? Yeah. Put some money on it. Oh, yeah. Put some money on it.
Starting point is 00:01:48 100 bucks. $1,000. Hello, everybody. We don't play golf that often. I think this is like the second time in 15 years. We're a little competitive. Maybe this will be a thing now. Mike Wright is here.
Starting point is 00:02:03 I think I only introduced Jason. That's all right. Four. I'm Andy Holloway. The rules of golf for, no, the rules of, we don't have time. It's once you hit and you know that it's headed towards a person. I'm saying you're on a golf course. You hear that word.
Starting point is 00:02:18 Yeah. Do you just... You duck? I heard it today... You just duck and cover? On the ninth hole, yeah. Someone yelled four.
Starting point is 00:02:25 And me, and I think it was Jeremy, we were standing next to each other. We both just basically dropped to our knees and put our hands over our head. Like, we're going to die immediately. Yeah, I mean, it's, it was, what else do you do? You don't know. You're not going to be like, well, let me turn around and inspect where the ball is coming from. Yeah. It's just a quick warning.
Starting point is 00:02:43 A quick word. I think that was baby Jake who hit that ball. But here we are. We've got far too much to cover on today's episode to talk any more about Jason and Jeremy's rivalry on the golf course. We have our top 15 early wide receiver rankings today to get into. We just did our running back rankings on the last episode if you want to hear those. Some really good discussions, I think, about a ton of those players. I think in particular what stood out to me is the way that you value players like Jacobs, Barkley, Henry,
Starting point is 00:03:17 versus taking upside of players like Hampton, Ken Walker, anybody with a new scenario, new situation, or hasn't done him before, but seems like they should be able to do it versus the kind of tried and true veterans. And it seems like consensus right now is that the younger hotness could be stars are drafted ahead.
Starting point is 00:03:41 Yeah, and that is a tough one. In fantasy, you kind of know that, I mean, I think you brought it up with, I don't know if it was CMC or somebody else, but it was like, you know that the efficiency over time isn't going to get better. I don't think it was CMC. That was Berkeley. It was Barkley. You know you're not really going to get a better season.
Starting point is 00:03:57 And that's where that decision comes. It makes it very difficult. But we'll get into the wide receiver position today. I don't really know where our disagreements are here. I have my rankings. You guys did yours. We have the consensus today. We'll walk through it.
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Starting point is 00:05:05 which I got to tell you, like right now, it's turned a corner. I know you opened the show and said we're one week from the draft. Yep. Yes. It feels like the draft has turned. tomorrow now and it hasn't felt like it's like okay we are we are here i am ready i am amped let's get this thing going ready to get that wide receiver to the browns that you've all been get it out of the way don't forget the jets and the dolphins i mean all of them yeah but um
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Starting point is 00:05:57 It is, we can't sing the lyrics of that song. Can't sing the lyrics. What, from famous kids musical? Greece? There you go. So let's jump in. Quick question of the day. Speaking of the draft, what team are you most excited to see?
Starting point is 00:06:15 Make their pick. in day one and two. I am most excited for the Seahawks because at 32 or 64, they're taking a running back. They've had a bunch of running backs in. They've got a need. There's no free agents out there. And it's the number one most enticing landing spot. I mean, you could argue if you take high draft capital at seven, maybe the commanders
Starting point is 00:06:37 are a better landing spot. But this is a Super Bowl winning team that wants to run the ball. And they have the perfect draft capital. to spend, like, the 30-second pick is perfect. It's perfect to take the second running back ahead of where you expect them to take. But the 64th pick is still great. You're talking about a second round pick that's high draft capital. And I do believe that they'll take a running back in one of those two spots.
Starting point is 00:07:05 If not, they'll take them in the third round. But if they take one in one of those two spots. I promise the first two picks, they will take one. But if they don't, there's just the next pick. I said, I believe. And if they don't take one with the third, fourth pick for sure. But they will have another running back on this team via draft. Careful.
Starting point is 00:07:31 Fifth pick. Six pick? The George Halani Hive will come for you, Jason. Here's what I think, Jay. Here's what the actual prediction is. I don't think it's 32. I think it's in the middle of the second round with a trade-up. Okay, but let me ask you this.
Starting point is 00:07:43 Which is another one of the many ways they can acquire a trade. If they use one of the first two picks on a running back, would that running back basically automatically be the number two running back in... Behind Charbonnet? Yeah. No, no, no. No, no. No, no.
Starting point is 00:08:02 No, not at all. No, I think it will depend. My opinion might change really close to the season if Charbonnet's progression is really poor. but I mean they did pick up Emmanuel Wilson this is a team that just won the Super Bowl I don't know if you hand over you know a workload that you're proud of
Starting point is 00:08:20 to a rookie right out of the gate they love Charbonate to the point where they demoralized Mike on a weekly basis for years so efficiency is the most... Efficiency has been proven to them by them that it is not the most important thing on their agenda because if it was Ken Walker would have been playing more
Starting point is 00:08:38 they want somebody in there that does all the dirty work and does the stuff they need done, that would not give me the level of confidence. They need someone who's had 639 career touches and only one fumble. You know, that type of a rookie that could come in as a guy. Who's that? Is that Coleman? Yeah. If it's true. If it's 32, then I think maybe I have a different answer for you because it'll be a name I like. But I do think there's a difference between 32 and beyond. If it's Jonah Coleman, he'll probably be my number two. There you go. Because that's just all will. be answered in seven days.
Starting point is 00:09:14 Stop hating on Jonah Coleman, people. Really eight days. We need day two. Well, Jason needs all three of them. Well, right, because if they don't take a running back with the first three picks, then on the third day... Don't give me start on the 2027 options they have a running back. All right. For me, I'm going to throw out just basically the chiefs with draft capital. Yeah, that's fun.
Starting point is 00:09:36 It's just kind of exciting to have a team that you, you know, know, we talk about how much we're like, oh, no, the Browns, oh, no, the Jets. How about a team that, like, you could paint some nicer pictures with, like some exciting future stars. Yes, Kelsey's going to be back, but he, you know, if they get another tight in, you can start looking to the future. Three top 30 picks, right? I mean, the... You've seen mock drafts with Tyson or one of the big three at number nine. You've seen mock draft still with Jeremiah Love falling there. You've seen mock drafts with them taking... Two top 30 picks, sorry about that.
Starting point is 00:10:10 with them taking Sadiq. There's, I mean, there are a lot of offensive weapons that could go to Patrick Mahomes, which is obviously exciting. Yeah, they had three, they had three wide receivers with top 30 visits and two picks in the first round. I'm excited for this Pittsburgh Steelers pick in 21 of the, like right now, the Arizona Cardinals are just that everyone has linked to them to Ty Simpson of either a trade up or whatever. whatever, but they're the team to look out for it to get Ty Simpson. And it's like the Steelers, we have a new regime. What are they going to do moving forward?
Starting point is 00:10:52 Like, is McCarthy, are they in crew? Are they content of just being held hostage by Rogers, not knowing if he is or is not coming back, which they may have that information right now and we don't know it. But like this is a, there's no future for this team at quarterback, and they're just, there hasn't, I'm sorry, Will Howard people. Like, there's just, there hasn't been a clear future for them for, since, what, since Big Ben? I mean, to just like, which is a, that's so long ago for a problem is there.
Starting point is 00:11:24 For a team that keeps being a playoff type of a team, to have no future is wild. That's the issue is the fact that, like, they, they didn't have a plan and it was Kenny Pickett. And Kenny Pickett was the late, he was the, he was Ty Simpson. And I don't think as a franchise, they want to do that again. He was the first quarterback taken that year. I feel like this is a really interesting year for Pittsworth altogether because without Mike Tomlin, I feel like Mike Tomlin was doing the Spider-Man Giff of just holding this team at a good record, right? Like they couldn't fail to the degree that they needed to get another quarterback and to rebuild.
Starting point is 00:12:01 He's always holding on to 8-9-9-8, I guess. Yeah, we call that the Jason Moore NBA Finals gift now. Yeah, yeah. And so I feel like it could be the year with the Ravens. Like the Ravens. Are the Ravens better than the Steelers? Yes. Okay.
Starting point is 00:12:17 Are the Bengals better than the Steelers? Yes. I don't know. Currently the Steelers don't have a quarterback. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be interesting. All right.
Starting point is 00:12:27 Let's move on. Also Dallas and Cincinnati. Don't worry about defense. No, this draft is really anti-defense. You're in a hard position there, though. you want to keep the Bengals with this high-flying offense because they have to score 30 in order to have a chance of winning. Yeah, I do. But you want them.
Starting point is 00:12:47 I know, but I'm just saying you don't want them to draft a high running back for your chase brown. He's not dropping to 10. Probably won't. He won't. Tennessee at number four. Yes. All right. We have a lot of names to get into. Let's jump right in.
Starting point is 00:13:06 Wide receivers. All right. Our early top 15 rankings at the wide receiver. position here on recorded April 15th. It's April 16th when you're listening to it. What makes a top 15 fantasy wide receiver? Over the last five years,
Starting point is 00:13:25 a top 15 fantasy wide receiver averaged 142 targets, 95 receptions, 1,270 yards, and 8.8 receiving touchdowns. I'm going to be honest, reading those numbers, they all seem higher than I would have expected
Starting point is 00:13:41 for top 15 average. Those seem like, to me like top eight average or something like that. I mean you have the guys that overwhelm. Yeah, the super tippy top always they're really pulling the average up. So over the last five years, 77% of top 15 wide receivers average at least 7.5 targets per game.
Starting point is 00:14:03 They are traditionally the alphas of the offense. High target share, we love that. 64% of them have had at least eight receiving touchdowns. So, you know, touchdowns, they fluctuate a little bit, but the big dogs, they get in the end zone at least eight times. And then they were on teams that average 9.7 wins. Yeah, I mean, we talk about it all the time with running backs that you need to be on winning teams,
Starting point is 00:14:28 especially if you're not the pass-catching running back. But we don't feel that way as much about wide receivers. Because, oh, well, if you're down, you've got to throw the ball. But the truth is, the top ones. How they work for Minnesota? The top ones come from the best teams. You need wins. So it's kind of universal across fantasy.
Starting point is 00:14:47 And it's one of those things that it's like, everybody knows it. We kind of know like, oh, of course we'd rather have a better offense than a worse offense. It's a good team versus a bad team. But if you just kind of follow that a little bit more strict as a tiebreaker, you're going to help yourself more than you think. I do feel like the years where I had that as more of a draft day focal point, I've had more success. I just thought
Starting point is 00:15:11 I mean, let's just look briefly before we get into our names. I'm just going to look at the top 10 guys last year. Puka winning team, JSN winning team. Amun Rao. They were about 500, right? I think. Yeah, they were about 500.
Starting point is 00:15:25 Jamar Chase, not so much. Elite offense, though. George Pickens, same story. Not about 500. Chris Olavé, not about 500. Zay Flowers, they did it. Adams. Houston and Nico Collins.
Starting point is 00:15:39 no. Oh, and a yes, sorry, yes. And then Jameson Williams and Cortland Sutton were the, were to the next two on the list. So I was just curious. Yeah, lines were 9 and 8. Yeah. All right. Our number one by consensus, number one for both of you guys, I guess he's number two for me on my initial rankings. That's fine. It wouldn't probably happen in a draft, but that's where I have it right now. It's tough. Jemar Chase. He's pretty good. He had 182 targets. That's nice. It's the most since Cooper Cup had 191 in 2021. Yeah, I mean, there's three guys at the top in ADP and in most people's hearts,
Starting point is 00:16:18 which I believe you've got Puka 1, Chase, and then JSN last year's wide receiver 1. You can make arguments for them in any order. I think the best athlete is Jamar Chase, the most explosive plays, those huge weak-winning fantasy production. That comes from Jamar Chase. more often than the other two. And then the tiebreaker for me, which I don't know if it's a complete tie enough to need a tiebreaker,
Starting point is 00:16:45 but I do like the fact that Joe Flacco is there. Should something happen? I mean, we've seen this with, I mean, we saw this with Jamar Chase last year when their quarterback goes down and all of a sudden it's like, oh, you're not good anymore if the backup can't come in and, you know, throw enough. He doesn't have 182 targets last year without Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco, what was it, 23 targets in week seven? That was crazy.
Starting point is 00:17:11 That's tied for the third most ever in a game. I mean, you don't have to say a lot of things about Jarmat Chase. Everybody knows who he is, what he's about, and how dominant he can be in fantasy. Number two is Puka Nakua. I do have him ranked number one. The Rams are going to be awesome. I mean, the Rams are going to be great again.
Starting point is 00:17:32 You know, I guess the storyline of Matthew Stafford's health, is kind of fading away at this point where he's just, they've just managed him well in the off season now. And so at the beginning of that, it kind of felt like, oh, we're worried about that management. Now it's like this is the plan to get him to play 17. This time last year, and not this time, but even further in, like getting close to draft day, it seemed like scary. The idea that Matthew Stafford would play a whole season seemed like I would have bet a dollar against it. And then all of a sudden now, Hold on.
Starting point is 00:18:06 Now it's, I'm saying if I have to bet one way or the other, that's the side I would have put it on. You got a wrist a dollar. I don't want to risk. You're putting more on a golf game. Well, yeah, I know I can beat. Is that a thousand dollar bet? Is that what that was?
Starting point is 00:18:17 I think Jason's out of $1,000. I don't think Jeremy's there. Exactly. 100 for me. Okay, I'll win a thousand if I win and you win a hundred. If you win, I agree. Yeah. I don't know what we're talking about.
Starting point is 00:18:29 Pooka? Dude, as soon as you got the call, as soon as you said golf, I saw. Oh, you started seeing red? It's all red. Yeah. I mean, my, I'm, I can tell you this before Wednesday, I will be playing golf again, before we play next Wednesday. Well, yeah, we know that because you're in a very prestigious tournament. Yeah, you spent way too much money in the last week on golf equipment.
Starting point is 00:18:51 Jason's not helping. To not be playing. It's not helping more golf. I thought these clubs were going to help. No good. Jason showed up to work one day out of the blue. What is this? This might be last week.
Starting point is 00:19:03 This is out of nowhere. He's like, oh, yeah, you did blah, blah, blah. What'd you do? I'm signed up for this golf tournament here. Wait, what? A golf tournament? You're signed up for a golf tournament, a charity golf tournament? And he's like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:19 I need some clubs. Yeah. I was like, Jay, you could borrow my clubs. Ah, I'll just go. I got this big turn. Oh, oh, look at that. He's out on the links. I feel good now.
Starting point is 00:19:33 I feel good. this is where I'm at home. Well, no, here, scoot over to the left. Scoot over to the left just a little bit. Just a little bit over? This guy's been into San Martin David Haslehoff. We were talking about not your golf game, but Pooka Nakuhaquah. We were talking about Matthew Stafford's health.
Starting point is 00:19:53 Obviously, it is a big issue. I just brought up Joe Flacko. I believe Stetson Bennett is currently the backup on the roster for the Rams. And that would be a travesty. I mean, that would be taking Puka from potentially the number one wide receiver in fantasy to, you would hope maybe target volume his way to be top 10, but probably not. I mean, we saw that with Justin Jefferson. So the Matthew Stafford Health matters, but I agree with you, Andy.
Starting point is 00:20:22 They seem like they have a plan in place, and we shouldn't be afraid during the offseason when Stafford is resting, when he's not, you know, out there for some of these scrimmages, clearly not going to be playing preseason. at least in the, if you're like in a half-point league that I'm looking at, and on our site, even with missing a game, Puka was the number one by our scoring system that we have here on the website for last year. I mean,
Starting point is 00:20:49 it is splitting hairs with the big names. I want the target insanity that is Puka Nakua, 166 targets last year. Both of these guys are outstanding. I'll be a little bit curious if my, I mean, my opinion is probably going to change if they go out and they grab. I was going to say
Starting point is 00:21:04 in the first round. What if they had a wide receiver? Yeah, I mean, it'll just probably put Puka at two. Probably at two. So the question for Puka will be he was sensational and contested catches.
Starting point is 00:21:19 He got truly sensational. 71% of them. Like that is a, that's a strong rate. Will he go back to around 50%? Because that will matter. But we're just trying to find a point.
Starting point is 00:21:34 hole holes right now. I mean, the only holes to poke, I think, are the health of the quarterback. You know, obviously there's been off-field things, but those aren't actually leaking into games, you know, or actual NFL drama right now from a fantasy standpoint. So that's about it. And then obviously, JSN is the only other guy, I think, that's in this tier. Yeah, it's funny to think that Burrow, in my mind, is more injury prone than Stafford. For sure. Because he might be. If I had to place the bet on who misses games next year, I'd place it on Burrow. Like a whole dollar?
Starting point is 00:22:12 Like a whole dollar. I put it on Burrow. I put it on the Stafford side. Yeah, I mean, Burrow is... Obviously, he's been dealing with injuries. Burroughs like 50%. So we got six seasons for Burrow. Year one was the, was that the ACL?
Starting point is 00:22:27 And then he played 16, 16. Then you played 10 games in 23, a full season, and then half the season last year. All right, we've got to take a quick break, and we'll come back and talk about that third big name. Which for Joe Burrough just following up on that. How about an offensive lineman? There you go. Number 10? They don't do that in Cincinnati.
Starting point is 00:22:56 They should. Big time. Just be boring. JSN is number three on our consensus rankings, number two for Mike. Number three for Jason and myself. He led the league with 1793 receiving yards last year. He had 12 different top 12 performances. He dominated every quarter of every game pretty much last year.
Starting point is 00:23:17 I mean, this was truly a special season for him. They had lost not only their quarterback, but they lost D.K. Metcalf in the offseason last year. They bring in Sam Darnold, and some people looked at that as neutral. Some people looked at it as a downgrade. And they won the Super Bowl. But from a consistency standpoint, it was unbelievable. 163 targets, 11913 receptions, 17193 yards and 10 touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:23:44 I would expect Jason to be entering this period of his career where he is doing, you know, maybe not those exact numbers, but something similar for a handful of years in a row. Yeah, his first three targets were outlandish. He is clearly the focal point of that passing game. It does scare me just a smidge in the sense. that if they were to use draft capital, maybe trade up and get one of these higher-end wide receivers. I think that's why when we look at the Rams, they're often
Starting point is 00:24:11 mocked lemon because they can pull the trigger on him. And I don't think that the Seahawks can probably get one of those top three guys. However, they're clearly looking for that. They need someone else here. You think? You think? Yeah, I mean, the death chart is nobody. I like Tori Horton a lot. I mean, I like Arroyo. I don't know if they will spin high capital. And to be honest with you, even if they added Mackay-Limon, I'm not downgrading J.S.N. I'm not. That's like taking, he's in the tier with Jefferson and Chase where I don't care.
Starting point is 00:24:41 Yeah, I don't care. I'm not downgrading the three of them in any major ways. But if you were to say who loses more target share from last year, I would say JSN has the most to lose. Do you have any concerns about the changing of the offense? because you have Coobes is gone. I mean, honestly. You still have the Shanahan system in place. You don't have the running game necessarily that you may have had last year.
Starting point is 00:25:10 It does feel like you might need to throw the ball more here. Their success, like I don't have that particular number in front of me right now, but just having watched the games, like downfield and intermediate, Sam Donald to JSM was near perfection for a season. And even the best of the best, you don't keep doing that every single year. Yeah. I haven't met too. We're trying to ask some questions.
Starting point is 00:25:37 Find some ways where, I mean, the biggest argument against J.S. Invers, the other two, is that Jason has one MVP-level elite year and the other guys have done it for more than one year. I mean, that's what I feel. Number four. Okay. This is where it gets interesting. Jason tried to keep them away from number four. I sure did.
Starting point is 00:25:56 Mike and I have him. It doesn't belong in four. No. his name's Justin Jefferson oh I'm looking at number five sorry okay no Justin Jefferson Mike and I have him at number four I do not have Jefferson at five uh Jason's got him at seven I you know this one's a little the collar's a little tight agree last year was was was was really really rough this is the wide receiver 22 last year is Kyler actually going to work we've seen that's the question we've seen the we've seen the Hopkins
Starting point is 00:26:28 years. Everything for Justin Jefferson is, do you believe that Kyler works? If you do, then Justin Jefferson can finish as the number one overall wide receiver. If Kyler doesn't, or if he's average and you're...
Starting point is 00:26:44 Did Sam Donald work? Did Sam Donald work in Minnesota? Yes. He worked, right? I mean, yes, they didn't make that run, but they had an amazing season. I think it works enough. I think it works enough because what do I trust? I trust that Kevin O'Connell's going to continue to throw the football even if his quarterback is. Yes, he will.
Starting point is 00:27:02 Not necessarily always on. He's going to throw it. He's going to put the trust in that quarterback. They don't have the running game or the running game personnel to take over in that fashion. And so, yeah, I do have confidence that Jefferson, I mean, it was a down year fantasy-wise, but he still had 141 targets. We just read that number about where you need to be. I mean, it was a super down year for him.
Starting point is 00:27:26 still over 1,000 yards. He just didn't score. This team couldn't score on offense. I feel like, what are these? These are splits with him without J.J. McCarthy? Yes. So with J.J. McCarthy, it was four receptions a game for 55. Just with non-McCarthy,
Starting point is 00:27:47 he was about six for 73. Which so is like 10 fantasy points a game, which is still bad. Right. But that would be a 97 for 12. year. It's just the touchdowns are the big deal. And that's honestly why, like, Kyler's going to work out. Kyler will work out for the Vikings. Kyler is good enough to support Jefferson being a top fantasy option. I've got Jefferson at seven. And really the next three guys that I've got ahead of them are all up, well, all but one to me are up for debate. The issue is
Starting point is 00:28:16 touchdowns. And Kyler can be very good for the team and throw a lot of yards, but he's never been a major touchdown throw. Even when he's having his great fantasy seasons and he was the number two quarter. A lot of that was rushing rushing touchdowns. 26 passing touchdowns is the most that Kyler's ever had in his career. And that was when he was better and braver stood in the pocket. Maybe this will be his best year ever. Braver, Kyler. Yeah, but assuming it's not the best Kyler we've ever seen, I think that it will be difficult for Jefferson to be the number one overall. Like that great year Kyler had with Hopkins, Hopkins was the number five wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:28:57 That's pretty good. So you would take Jefferson out of consideration in your mind right now to finish at one. Yeah, I don't think Jefferson with Kyler is going to finish at one. Like you don't think it's possible. Do you think it's possible, Mike? Yes. Okay. Possible.
Starting point is 00:29:11 Yeah, I get it. I would say that a lot of people are going to turn to, I mean, number five on the list is Almond Ross St. Brown. And I think that's the one in particular that will be a difficult choice for people in terms of offensive consistency. You know what Amman Rae brings to the table. I've got him at 5, Jason at 4, Mike has him at 7.
Starting point is 00:29:31 Yeah, I don't like it. And he is finished as the wide receiver 3, the wide receiver 3, and the wide receiver 3, the last three years. That's the one where I'd have a really hard time taking Jefferson, who we just saw finish at 22. At 22 in a full season with bad quarterback play over the guy that's like, nothing's changing for Amman Ra.
Starting point is 00:29:49 You've got the quarterback, you got the offense, you got... He can't finish at one. I would agree with that too. And so if you believe, like Mike does, that Jefferson still could, that'd be the case for Jefferson is, hey, I could get a number one season. Amun Ra, I don't think he could do that. But, man, he does a lot. 172 targets.
Starting point is 00:30:09 The argument for Amin Ra actually doing it. Number one is the, like, over the last handful of years, the only quarterback who's thrown 4,500 yards every year is Jared Goff. Okay. And number two, which I saw a discussion, online kind of, you know, got the brain going of like, while we're all, you know, like, hey, Montgomery's gone. And you're so you're just thinking about Jemir Gibbs.
Starting point is 00:30:33 Like, Jemir Gibbs, he could be the RB1. Yes, of course. They also, when Gibbs is on the field, they throw the ball more. They do. This isn't, and this is not saying that Gibbs won't play, you know, he won't get handoffs or anything, but it's a, he's such a weapon in the passing game. He's a goal line wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:30:52 that you can do those types of things. So I wonder if their pass percentage goes up just a click or two. And then if it does that, then Amundra. Then James will be the guy you want him to be. Every ounce of their passing game going up helps Amin Ra. He is the number one target by a wide margin. And he's utilized around the Red Zone led all wide receivers in Red Zone targets last year. So the touchdowns are there.
Starting point is 00:31:19 you know sometimes you old almond wrong it was like oh he's a slot guy i'm not sure if he flip flopping those yeah i'm not sure so it's like the touchdowns can be there the receptions are going to be there the office is so much riskier yeah yeah that that's the facts uh so and maybe not that much difference in upside maybe you're talking me into before we do stats just mentally i'm going to do it right now i'm going to in my head and i did all right okay i did it now that we get past almond wrong If we're going Amin Ra and then Jefferson, now is where it gets the next two a little dicey
Starting point is 00:31:56 for maybe me not having Jefferson there. CD-Lam at 6. Yeah. C.D. Lamb is 27 years old now. Jason at 5. Me and Mike have him at 6. Ced-D. Lamb. Cid-Lam is still very, very good, everybody.
Starting point is 00:32:10 C-D-Lam is great. C-D-Lam had a special 2023. A lot of players do this, where they have one year that is just, They're best. I mean, that's, you don't get a repeat, right? This is not a computer. You don't hit the button and get the same stats.
Starting point is 00:32:26 That's why people hate fantasy sometimes. They want to see it go exactly according to plan. Let's just say a couple of truths about C.D. Lamb. Number one, 2023 is going to be the best year he ever had. Yes. Number two, George Pickens is playing for the Dallas Cowboys. Those two things to me, like they take CD Lamb out of my number one overall potential.
Starting point is 00:32:49 Yeah, I mean, I think George Pickens is legitimate because George was so involved and great, but they had a wide receiver two in the year that CD Lamb was the wide receiver one that was competent. And the not to George Pickens. I don't even remember who it was. Wasn't that one the Brown Cooks? No, I don't think it had. I'll look that up and see who. I'd be curious what the highest ranked wide receiver was in fantasy other than Lamb in 2023.
Starting point is 00:33:19 I'm on it. Mike is on it. I am now curious. Kyle, get on this. What is the highest ranked wide receiver two for a wide receiver who finished as the one? That's for Kyle. That's a Kyle. And if Jason was wrong, you put him in the sand trap. Okay, well, you were definitely wrong because number two in targets that year, that would have been.
Starting point is 00:33:41 Tight end? Jake Ferguson. Fergillus. Great receiver. Number three, that was the Brandon Cook's eye catch a. touchdown every week at the end of the year season. But he only had 657 yards. So not a big, not a George Pickens.
Starting point is 00:33:57 No. Well, that's, I said he was, he was definitely better. If you take Ferguson and Cook's numbers and you smash them together, you get George Pickens. Let me ask you a question, Jason. What C.D. Lamb had disappointed last year. Yeah, I mean, for sure. I think mostly because of the injury, I think if the injury did not happen, he would not have been a monstrous disappointment. Lowest points for game since his rookie season. Yeah. I mean, the process as someone who had him and you know, you had a full goose in one of
Starting point is 00:34:29 his games that kind of brings down that average. The game he got injured, he played 9% of snaps, had zero for zero for zero, and that's averaged into all those points. And the final week of why did he do that? Did you ever think about like asking? Yeah, he shouldn't. I mean, honestly. He said it hurt. You're supposed to get hurt at the end of the game. Everybody knows that. Yeah. And Jay, just the reminder of the final week of the season, That gaming is giant. Fake. It was a fake game.
Starting point is 00:34:52 Dak played half of it. It was garbage. So are you taking Alman Ra ahead of him every time? Ahead of CD-Lam. Yes. Every time. Every time. But it's just like when you, if you take those games out of the average, it's still not going to,
Starting point is 00:35:04 it's still going to be a lower than you were expecting for CDLand, but it's still good. When he came back from the injury, so he's obviously coming back from injury, maybe not be at full strength, the 10 games minus that final game, all of those George Pickens was in, right? So this is like the purest stretch of maybe what we can look forward to next year. That 10-game stretch, he would have had 98 receptions for 1446 yards. That's pretty darn good. Yeah, it's pretty good.
Starting point is 00:35:33 I think there's a special six names. I think that you just got to the end of it. I think this is where a line is drawn. And you start to be more speculative about your success. Yes, because my number six, or I'm sorry, Yeah, my number six, I put it in there, but you're going to have a lot of people disagreeing with that. Which we'll get there soon. Oh, oh, I just saw it.
Starting point is 00:35:57 By the way, Kyle did, did you announce the official? Kyle figured that out. Oh, really? I have not seen. In 2016, Jordy Nelson was the wide receiver one when Devante was the wide receiver eight. That is the highest. Okay. That's why he gets paid the big bucks.
Starting point is 00:36:10 CD and George, you got your job to do. number seven on our consensus rankings uh seven for me eight for jason nine for mike drake london you know the questions around jake drake london have nothing to do with him is Kyle a computer he is a because i know he went he went back to atlanta and then i'm like i don't we haven't seen him in person because he comes up with this stuff so fast but he did live here for a long time as a human yeah yeah yeah but i'm saying post you're saying he became maybe maybe someone's replaced lawnmore man um um Jake London is, I mean, to me it's a similar argument.
Starting point is 00:36:47 Like if you have an argument against Jefferson, then you have an argument against London. Except for Jefferson, I think, is a better player than London. So in that regard, no disrespect to either player, right? You think Jefferson's great. I think London is great. I'm the highest of the three of us on London. But this is where you go from the special six names to, I'm pretty sure it's going to work, but I'm not 100% sure it's going to work.
Starting point is 00:37:10 He was great. they have quarterbacks in their lefties and they've got a bunch of them and they're going to figure out what they're doing. Is it going to be Michael Pinnock's? Is the Pinnock experiment going to be temporary? Are we going to see Tua start this season? I don't know. Does the team know what it's doing?
Starting point is 00:37:27 They lost their general manager that drafted Michael Pinnock. They don't. They don't know what they're doing. I will say this. When Drake London was awesome before his injury in week 12, every single game he played, because he missed week 8, just like Michael Pennix did. He played with Michael Pennix.
Starting point is 00:37:44 So I don't think it's the same argument necessarily for, we don't know what Kyler is going to bring to Jefferson. Pennix might not be that great. But this isn't like hypothetical. We saw the games with. What weeks? Because you had Drake London started the year horribly for the first three weeks. The first nine games played for Drake London through that.
Starting point is 00:38:07 So he was on pace for 113 receptions, 1,530 yards and 11 touchdowns. But he wasn't consistent. If you look at you, I'm looking at these games, he's got four games that were pretty disappointing. And then he was the wire receiver five, the wire receiver two, the wire receiver one, the wire receiver one, the wire receiver seven, all those with Michael Penning. I understand, but Michael Pennix is not a guarantee to be the quarterback for the year. They could be changing him. So that's the point that I'm saying is that they're trying to
Starting point is 00:38:33 figure, it might be two at a start the year. It could be. Is that a significant downgrade to you? it's a significant question mark for me versus the top six names that's all i don't i don't what do we want we want winning teams okay are they going to be a winning team no i would say that the vikings are a better team than the falcons yeah and look i have them ranked at seven so again we're only bringing up the negatives of the top ten that's pretty much all we're doing is bringing up how it goes wrong and i think there's a path for it to go wrong with him because it went wrong for Waddle and Tyreek with Tua.
Starting point is 00:39:08 And they're good players. What is this new offense? Is Drake London like the top wide receivers, you move them around. When you have top wide receivers with a good coach, so that's where the argument is. Because Drake London was moved around a lot
Starting point is 00:39:24 and I guess that sounds like I'm saying the Atlanta coaches were good. They were, they at least moved him around and they put him in the slot. And he was very successful in there. In the slot, only Pook and Rishie Rice had a higher target per route run when he would run his routes from the slot. Will the new crew allow him to do that?
Starting point is 00:39:46 This is a player, I think, too, that is the most... I'm saying they have to because they don't have any... It's the logical coaching fallacy that we fall for frequently. He missed a lot of time last year and they had nobody else as well. So I wonder if they add somebody. I mean, they have to add someone. They have to. Jahan Dotson is probably their second best. I mean, Pitts is
Starting point is 00:40:09 the number two target, but Jahan Dotson, Olamidi Zakias, Devin Tompkins, Dylan Drummond, like they don't have... That one's made up. That one's made up. Yeah, I did make that. Look, no, no. If they don't draft the wide receiver with their first or second pick. Right. Yeah, what happens then? Then probably their third. But what if they don't get them with the third? Okay, what other options do you have at that point? They will consider using their
Starting point is 00:40:33 fourth pick on one of the wide receivers. who's left. One week and we'll find out. Number eight is Malik Neighbors. And again, here we go. This one's me. My ranking is very aggressive right now. Mike has him at five. I've got him at 11. Jason at 9. Mike and I discuss this briefly in the studio. This was two different opinions on basically
Starting point is 00:40:55 right now I'm going with, I'm waiting to see that he's healthy. That's exactly where I'm out. To rank him higher. Mike is like, okay, as if he's healthy, I'm going to rank him here. I am getting more nervous by the day because the only news that seems to be coming out is not the glowing reports. Not ahead of schedule stuff? Yes. Not the reports that you really want to see. You know, it's like in my initial going through these guys, I put Malik at five because I do fully believe that if Malik can be healthy enough in the, you know, in the off season or like the training camp and get up to full speed faster.
Starting point is 00:41:34 you know, like by game three or so, I think he will be a true difference maker for your wide receiver crew. And he's being drafted at wide receiver seven right now in best ball. So the people who are putting money into their drafts are drafting him aggressively because they're sharing the belief that I have of if he's healthy. It's a big if. He's going to dominate. Like he will be incredible.
Starting point is 00:42:00 What's wild is we've never got to see Malik neighbors with Jackson Darks. Exactly. We've not got to see it. all because they had one throw down the sideline that he caught and tore his ACL. I've personally already seen enough from Dart to go, yep, we can sustain. You give him a leak neighbors. This is the, this is the Jefferson type of player who's going to get a 30% target share and he's just such a strong wide receiver. Yeah, a freak athlete, a brilliant wide receiver that he's going to end up in the top three. But the injury, it was in a reminder for
Starting point is 00:42:34 everyone. It was not just ACL. It was ACL plus meniscus, which is far more complicated. Nice. This is, you got the meniscus add-on? Our number one wide receiver is Jamar Chase, and this is the closest of an athlete to Jamar Chase in the rest of the NFL. The ability for him with the depth chart and his freakishness to finish as the number one wide receiver overall, I could see happen. But he does have some major flags against him. Obviously the injury. The other is the team. You know, we talked about is this going to be a top half team? Is this going to be a great offense? Probably not. It was weird to see the one Jackson Dart week where he like did nothing at all in the passing game. What does the identity of the offense look like with the new head coach, an offensive
Starting point is 00:43:22 coordinator situation? But the talent is there. I'm holding back my enthusiasm until we get better progress reports on the injury. Let's take a break and then Jason's got a surprise. All right, at number nine in our top 15 early wide receiver rankings, it is Rishi Rice. I've got him at 12, Mike at 10.
Starting point is 00:43:48 Jason's got him at 6. There you go. He's got him ahead of Drake London, ahead of them, the league neighbors. It's just a matter of if he's on the field, he's really good for fantasy. It doesn't upset me. We miss, you know, last year he obviously was suspended.
Starting point is 00:44:03 for the first six weeks. And then later in the season, they lost Patrick Mahomes. I don't know if that. I think that Rushie wasn't even a part of those. He was out with concussions. Yeah, they're like, yeah, wrap it up. Let's go get that draft pick. Good job, Kansas City.
Starting point is 00:44:17 That's how you do it. But when he's on the field, he is the first free target. He is the chain mover. He is the in-zone target now, more than Kelsey. This is a player who scores a ton of fantasy points. in all formats. He led the Chiefs in Red Zone targets and receptions last year. He missed nine games.
Starting point is 00:44:40 His pace was about 112 for 1213, which makes sense with the low yards per catch and 10.6 touchdowns. They manufacture touchdowns for him. Let me tell you my good and bad of Rushie Rice. I don't know if he's as good of a player as he is on the Chiefs in actuality. 100% if he just went and played for somebody else. I feel like there have been players on this team that you're like, I mean, again, none of us think McCall Hardman's a very good player. He's had his moments on the Chiefs, right?
Starting point is 00:45:11 When he's been a part of this offense. He's not Tyree Kill where when Tyree Kill changes teams, he's the best wide receiver in the league still. Yeah, and I'm not comparing Rice with Hardman. I'm just saying they draw up special plays. You talk about him being a red zone target. I think it's yes and no unless when the Chiefs, you're talking about him being a, like this is the guy they do the tap pass. too. This is the guy they do the pitch. They do all this drawn up special
Starting point is 00:45:36 stuff for Rashi Rice with ender rounds and things around the goal line. He's a weapon. He's their best weapon on offense right now. So that's the argument. Now, do we got 100% of Mahomes in week one? Do we get 100% of Rashi Rice all year? Those are different questions. I'm saying pick nine. Yeah. Like, where
Starting point is 00:45:52 the other guys, you're like, hey, if they had a wide receiver to Jamar, I don't really care. Puka, you're like, maybe a little bit. Jordan Tyson to the Chiefs. Well, the, yeah. Those things, what would you do then? These other guys, it doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:46:06 But Jordan Tyson at nine, a. Anyone at nine. Or lemon or tape. Any of the big three, that changes things. I agree. I mean, that, that pick is monstrous. This is why Andy said at the top of the show, your answer to the quick question was the Kansas City Chiefs in their draft capital. It's going to shuffle around what we believe of their entire offense.
Starting point is 00:46:26 Now, hopefully it's an offensive lineman. He's wide receiver 11 in best ball drafts. They're taking a wide out. He's a wide receiver 11 in basketball drafts. That puts the, you know, your gap puts them in that my guy territory today. Like, you know what I mean? Not that you would pick him. It's just that in the disparity between where players are being taken and where you would take them,
Starting point is 00:46:47 that's a guy you have a lot of confidence in. Yeah, I mean, I'm- compared to consensus. For sure. If they take a wide receiver at 9, which they very well might, I would lower him significantly from the standpoint of he's not the only real asset. to lead the way for them. And also I would move him even lower in dynasty because that to me would mark a,
Starting point is 00:47:10 he's an unrestrictive free agent at the end of the year. I'm sure they could franchise him. He wants JSN money. The chiefs don't want to and are paying my homes. He's not going to get J.S.N money, I don't believe. And so I think that, and he carries some off the field issues from time to time. Now, it's worth saying from time to time every now and again. especially the and again part.
Starting point is 00:47:36 It's worth noting that all of the worries of the latest allegation have been checked out by the NFL. They said there's no issue and he is not getting a suspension. The commissioner's exemplist is interested in him. Right. They are, they're looking, they're monitoring. George is number 10. George Pickens comes in to number 10.
Starting point is 00:47:55 It was a special, special year for George Pickens. I guess one of the questions I have for you, where do we have it? I got him at 8, Mike at 8. Jason at 13. Maybe Jason answered it with that ranking. But was that just like a combination of that lamb injury with a free agent season, 1,400 yards, 9 touchdowns, 93 catches? How close to that can he really get this season?
Starting point is 00:48:18 I think he can still get extremely close. He is one of the, like C.D. Lamb has the built-in, if one of the, you know, like if C.D. Lam misses time, George Pickens is awesome. If Pickens misses time, C.D. Lamb is awesome. And then when they're both healthy, they're both excellent. They're both awesome. Yes.
Starting point is 00:48:40 So, I mean, you can't have C.D. Lamb and George Pickens both putting up 1,700 yards. That just, that won't happen. But the consistency of having him with DAC and DAC is just such a fantasy-friendly quarterback, I keep my confidence up of what I watched George Pickens do on the field. Yeah, I mean, I shared it in my CD Lamb. I think C.D. Lamb is the dominant one here. George Pickens is awesome. He was a my guy for me last year because I thought he was being underdrafted,
Starting point is 00:49:14 and he matches DAC perfect. The things that Pickens does matches what they need for that wide receiver too. But the inflated numbers from last year are in part because of that injury. That injury to C.D. Lam, those weeks, two of those three weeks, he was the wide receiver one and the wide receiver two. His 17 game pace from those three weeks would have been over 2,000 yards and 22 touchdowns. They were monstrous weeks. He got both C.D. and George's combined stats. But I do agree with Mike. It's not a bad idea when you draft these guys because should either one go down to an injury, the other will get inflated. Nico Collins at number 11. Oh, man. Where's Mike have him? 12. Oh, man, you hate Nico.
Starting point is 00:49:58 So Nico is, Nico is weird because you don't necessarily feel good about the offense. You definitely don't. I mean, they have gotten worse in, like, their yards per game totals. Like in 2023, the breakout year, they were 12th, then they went to 22nd, then 18th last year. Stroud really gave people just a lot of hesitancy around the offense. But Nico's awesome.
Starting point is 00:50:25 I mean like in spite, it's a very much in spite of situation. Nico gets it done. He's always a threat for 10 touchdowns. Last year he underwhelmed there. He only had six. So I feel like with the physicality that he brings to the table, that's always in up there. He missed some time, a couple games,
Starting point is 00:50:42 still hit 1,000 yards, 71 for 11, 17, and 6. It's pretty simple to me. Nico is awesome. I don't want to play against Nico Collins in my fantasy matchup because he can go ham. But this is not a, I feel like this might even be the first guy, well, George as well.
Starting point is 00:51:05 They aren't the type of guys that are getting 100 receptions. You know, Nico's going to go out there and get probably 80 receptions. Now, they're deep bomb shots. Yeah, it's Mike Evans' numbers. Yeah, exactly. And I just prefer the volume and the consistency of others, but I love Nico.
Starting point is 00:51:21 The fact, so right now, again, everything we reference for 80 people, right now is going to be underdog on bestball. But so his ADP, talking about Nico's wide receiver 10, going at the 302, and George is going at the 212. The fact that
Starting point is 00:51:37 a person with an early first round pick can take Gibbs and then, oh, look who's there for my next two selections. George Pickens and Nico Collins, that feels a bit unfair. I do feel confident,
Starting point is 00:51:54 Like we always ask the question every year. Do you like that guy being your number one? Yeah, I do. I'm fine with Nico being my number one. Yeah, he does feel... Which in the third round is... Crazy. That's special.
Starting point is 00:52:06 He would... I mean, he's had... What was it? Was it not last year, but the year before, he was the number one through like the first 12 weeks or something like that? I mean, before... He had the hamstring... Okay, so the first five weeks, sorry.
Starting point is 00:52:18 Before he went down in 2024, I believe he was sitting at, like, number one. he was averaging a lot of points he was averaging 18 points i mean he scored he scored seven times that year and he missed five games last year was an outlier in the in the touchdown number i mean he had i think he can get to double digit let's put it that way yeah i think it's possible i think so especially with the the way you know he's got deep shots all the time that can be housed for touchdowns he had a six games stretch last year week's 10 through 15 where he was just dominating deep shots. He was on pace for 1,600 yards. He's great, and I would agree, I would be comfortable
Starting point is 00:52:56 with him with my 1. He was outscored by this next player in our rankings. We'll have almost, who I don't feel good as my number 1. We'll have almost for sure more targets and receptions should they both play full seasons. And I agree with you, Andy. I don't feel as confident with him him as my number 1. Yeah, I don't know what it is, but it's Chris Olavé. Chris Olavé had the bounce back here. I got him at 14, Jason at 10, Mike at 11. You know, Tyler, Shubb. opens up our minds. I've seen enough. Yeah, I mean, he's a really good player.
Starting point is 00:53:27 It's weird because I don't know if it was the fact he didn't win rookie of the year and took it away from him. I feel like I haven't heard as much buzz about him this offseason, but he brings a ton of potential. Kellam Moore, we love that. Tyler Shuck, very capable. He was on a 155 target place, but 15.8 fantasy points per game with Shuck.
Starting point is 00:53:48 The season opened with Spencer Rattler, and even with that they were putting up in terms of passing yards per game they were at 21 which honestly that's not too bad for I mean that says a lot to what Kellyn Moore gives us
Starting point is 00:54:04 for fantasy football Tyler Shuck I mean it's just we're at seven the seventh most passing yards per game for a second round rookie I mean I feel more comfortable with Olave as my one than you guys do.
Starting point is 00:54:22 My only thing is the concussions. It really is. That's it. Because I believe he is, I believe Chris Olave is a true wide receiver one in the NFL. Like he is such a- Blood clot last year then, too? I don't know. I don't remember that.
Starting point is 00:54:35 He missed the, remember we were like, he's finally going to play 18 games. He missed the final game. That was very similar to James Carter. Blood clot in his lung. Yeah, that's what I thought. In early January 2026, forcing him to miss the season finale. Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, I mean, the issue to me is the fear.
Starting point is 00:54:50 of his body. He is so talented. He's got great hands. What do you have? What's wrong with his body? Yeah, I think so. Do you really have that? Is that this?
Starting point is 00:55:01 What's wrong with your body? Yeah, that's classic. That's Christian McCaffrey. How to work out for Mike? How to work out from Mike? We're leaving that on the screen. You're going to take that graphic off? We're just going to leave Jason up there.
Starting point is 00:55:18 There we go. Take me a sec to find it. That's funny. What was wrong? with your never mind it's a bee it's a bumblebee
Starting point is 00:55:25 I was stung by a series of a swarm allergy bees a swarm of bumblebees but yeah what week did Tyler he always died Andy
Starting point is 00:55:35 and he came in and did a podcast what yeah I know what a guy and then I complained about someone else's body it's not lost on me your allergic reaction
Starting point is 00:55:48 lasted years it was a real that was a real That was a real bad problem. From the original sting. That was a good five years. I'm hoping. When were you stung?
Starting point is 00:55:57 97. The anahistamines just started working the last. I'm really hoping the antihistamines stick. Oh, man. We used to have a good time. Back to Olave. If you look at when Chuck took over. He started in week nine.
Starting point is 00:56:20 Wasn't a great game. He was the wiresever 44. The next week it was the wide receiver six. Wide receiver 23, wide receiver 19. These are great games. Down week, wide receiver 51, then 12, then the wide receiver 2, then the wide receiver 2. He was really, really good with Shuck. They are another team, I think, at 8 that is looking to add one of these big guys.
Starting point is 00:56:42 I've commonly put Carnell Tate bringing the Ohio State boys together. Oh, man. He falls there past the Brown. Tyler Shuck with Olava and Kyle Tate. That's thumbs up for juicy. For shock and it probably doesn't hurt Olava either. It just makes the offense better. I would wonder how we would view the situation with the risk of Olavé's injuries and then the top 10 pick for a guy like Tate.
Starting point is 00:57:05 Who would you take? It was nice to see him play up to his talent last year. Yeah. Yes. Finally got to see it. Because this is a guy that when he was coming out was like, it was, it was him and Gare Wilson same year, right? Yep. And same team, same year.
Starting point is 00:57:19 And I remember feeling stupid because I was like, I think, like, he doesn't have as strong a body. But I liked Olavi's route running more. And I thought he was in the same caliber. And this year, he really. As Gary Wilson. Yeah, yeah. Olavi was awesome coming out of college. It's just been a bumpy road.
Starting point is 00:57:41 Yeah. Filled with their car and other things. But the Kellyn Moore Shuck combo, that's what does it for me. Because Kellan Moore is great for fantasy. Ted McMillan at 13. T. Higgins at 14. Let's talk about both of them. I've got Ted at 9. Wow. Really? Mike hasn't at 18. Jason at 12. I'm the reason he's up at 13 here. Look, it's time.
Starting point is 00:58:02 I mean, last year was a good, not fantasy dominant, but obviously a rookie of the year winning, offensive player of the year winning season, 70 for 10, 14, and 7. To me, he just profiles as a guy that's going to continue to take the step forward. what we saw in the field last year was a player that at times could be completely dominant, but it was few and far between. It wasn't as good of a, like he was wide receiver 17 last year. It was very hit and miss. He had some really down games.
Starting point is 00:58:35 His consistency score was a C, which is 41% of the time above 10.5. That's exactly the kind of player that I look at as a potential breakout. Because when you are, if you can finish at 17 with a C consistency score, all you got to do is, what, turn a few of those down games into more consistency, and you're in the top 12, top 10. So to me, he is, he's the candidate that jumped out to me in the top 20 of, you know, maybe for Jason it was that Rashi Rice 11 to 6. To me, it was tech going from four, I mean, he's 14 and underdog.
Starting point is 00:59:11 So I'm right there with underdog. I have no problem with the evaluation of the player. Everything for me is Bryce Young, who is going into year four, and last year... Four long years. It feels like he's a 12-year veteran. In year three, Bryce Young finally hit 188 passing yards per game. Yeah, baby.
Starting point is 00:59:38 That's the problem for... And he pulled off a wide receiver 17 as a rookie with that. I'm concerned about how far up can he actually go. And it makes sense that I'm sitting in between you guys in the rankings and here at the table. Because Tedaroa had, he showed out his rookie year. Given the bad quarterback play, I'm so impressed. 25% target share. 25% target share, one of only 12 rookie wide receivers in the last decade to have a thousand yards in their
Starting point is 01:00:13 rookie season. Right now it feels like, if you don't get that, you're not good. Most people don't get that. The list of guys who have put up a thousand in their rookie years. I mean, Marve didn't get it. Yeah, exactly. It is usually a who's who of who breaks out for fantasy going forward. The Bryce Young problem is real and he's going to have to step up. But I also don't think, you know, we've seen this with, we've been talking about this with the horse child. um aka T law Trevor Lawrence
Starting point is 01:00:47 man the I don't know ladies gentlemen if at home if you saw and got duped oh I did I know where you were going yeah you got duped
Starting point is 01:00:56 I did there was a Trevor Lawrence every off season there's a Trevor Lawrence cut his hair there was a Trevor Lawrence cut his hair every off season
Starting point is 01:01:03 he looked so good and he looked so good not like a horse no he looked like a man he looked you're like this dude's gonna be
Starting point is 01:01:11 on magazines yeah And it turned, I mean, it was fake. It was fake. Yeah. A lot of haircut things can happen with AI now. Listen, Teteroa last year, speaking to the Bryce Young problem, but also a rookie, also figuring things out, can Bryce Young take a step forward? Guys like Jamar Chase, Puka, Nukua, Alman Ra, St. Brown, their catch rate.
Starting point is 01:01:29 Alman Ra and Chase 68%. Puka 78% 57% last year for Teteroa McMillan. So the targets. I can tell you. What's the catchable ball? I guarantee that was a huge part of the point. quarterback for those first few guys. The thing is, is if 57% that scales up with the targets go up,
Starting point is 01:01:48 and 122, you've got a lot of room up. He's got to, if Bryce Young doesn't take a substantial step forward, then McMillan has to be up at about 30% of the targets. And I just, I don't know if that will happen. All right, we got to talk about TIE Higgins. I love Teddrell McMillan. I think that him on a strong team, he'd be in the top 12. Well, they could win the division.
Starting point is 01:02:11 I mean, they definitely could do that. Tedero, we just talked about him. T. Higgins. Mike, you are always all about T. Higgins. That's why it's so weird that you're the lowest of the three of us. I called you, man, do. Classic. Ranking these guys without the actual statistics was very hard.
Starting point is 01:02:25 I mean, this is not a guy I would ever feel comfortable as my wide receiver one, ever. That's right. Nor do the bangles. Play to win. But, you know, it's, don't look at the first six weeks when they didn't have a quarterback situation. Don't look at the two weeks he missed because he's always hurt a little bit. But look at all the other weeks. I mean, this is a...
Starting point is 01:02:43 This is Ken Walker of the wide receivers, which is why these are both players beloved by Mike. There are easy statistical narratives to paint as to why he is a phenomenal fantasy asset. He has monstrous fantasy games. And he's really a good player. He's a really good player. His splits in healthy games where you've got Jamar Chase
Starting point is 01:03:05 active and Burrow active. And we've got to throw this one in two. Higgins plays the whole game doesn't get injured midway or super early in the game because that's happened way too many times when those things which should be normal things happen
Starting point is 01:03:23 when Jupiter aligns. He's so good he's so good and the thing is as you go well shouldn't most games be like Burrow Higgins and Chase are just playing football? Yeah, when that happens he's great for fantasy just doesn't happen a lot. Do you think it's a surprise that
Starting point is 01:03:39 he signs an extension that says you get a very substantial per game check if you play and he appears in 15 games, his highest since 2002. Money talks and it walks apparently. Do not love that this man missed two separate games with concussion and also seemed like he had a game where he needed to miss. To us on the outside, it looked like he got concussion. at least three times in a singular game. But he's such a good player.
Starting point is 01:04:18 This is, the Bengals in Dallas, they are the same, same. Both wide receivers on those teams, I would love to have them. All right, our last name, crazy.
Starting point is 01:04:32 He's still here. AJ Brown at 15 to finish out our early wide receiver rankings. It's crazy. It's crazy. He was the wide receiver 10 last year. He missed two games. and he's like, ah, I don't want him. The Eagles don't want him either.
Starting point is 01:04:45 Nobody was like, we're done with AJ Brown. He's pretty darn good. He is an alpha. I feel like you could have him as your wide receiver one for your fantasy team and be okay. Does he rank higher or lower on the- Higher on the Patriots. That's what I was going to ask you. Yes, for sure.
Starting point is 01:04:59 I don't think he'll be an eagle. I don't, every time I see a press conference or a conversation, I think they are perfectly handled with the he's an eagle, which is a fact. He's an eagle. Yep. We know. Well, he's actually a human. Well, okay.
Starting point is 01:05:15 Yeah, I don't think they meant that biologically speaking. I think it's more about that's their team. Maybe they should clarify. And name. Yeah, we just, thank you, Mike. Words matter on this show. He was wide receiver 10 in spite of a horse child. Tumultuous.
Starting point is 01:05:28 Yeah, that one is different. That was biologic. DNA wise. I want to make that clear. I believe he's. In fact, we might have a picture of him. I'm not sure. but yeah i j brown in spite of i mean i think the clock is ticking i think we all know that i think
Starting point is 01:05:47 in dynasty i'm not enthusiastic about this situation he'll be 29 this year when he plays he also just he comes across as the dude that's just like when it's over it's over i'm just gonna yeah the those big wide receivers have a habit of being done at at the end i don't think he is though um not i don't not done. He could carry an offense. Yes, I think he could carry an offense. On those big, broad shoulders. We're all, we're all really excited for the potential of all the rumors of him going to the Patriots. I don't know that that's going to happen. Not team Romeo Dobbs over here, but you do you. Of course you're not. Of course you would prioritize. Because of Romeo Dobbs. You're on your dynasty team right now. You would say the exact same thing, Jason Moore. You don't have any
Starting point is 01:06:32 Drake May exposure that wants to see him take the next step? I don't. I don't. I'm a dynasty. Well, I've got the horse. So get out of your, AJ Brown. Oh, yeah. Weird. Weird that you're talking up, AJ Brown.
Starting point is 01:06:45 All right, let me fire off these names because we got to shut it down. Garrett Wilson at 16, Adams at 17, Jameson Williams at 18, save flowers at 19, and Luther Burden at 20 on our initial rankings. Devante Smith at 21, Evans, Ibuka, back to back at 22, 23, not on the same team anymore. And Terry McClureen at 24 to round out those early wide receiver rankings. So we're going to shut it down, but we'll be back. Draft Week next week.
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