Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Early Top 15 WR Rankings + Team Draft Hype - Fantasy Football Podcast for 4/17

Episode Date: April 17, 2025

Fantasy Football show for Apr 17, 2025. WR rankings and debates! Who will take a step forward in 2025? Andy, Mike, and Jason discuss the top wide receivers for the upcoming fantasy football season. Just ONE WEEK until the NFL Draft! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.Get the lowest price on the 2025 UDK at UltimateDraftKit.com - Instant access to the Dynasty Pass with the UDK+(00:00) Introduction(05:35) Quick Question - Which NFL team are you excited to see draft?(09:45) NFL News(13:25) Early Top 15 Wide Receiver Rankings(15:10) Ja’Marr Chase(17:55) Ceedee Lamb(20:15) Justin Jefferson(21:45) Puka Nacua(26:45) Amon-Ra St. Brown(29:30) Malik Nabers(31:54) Nico Collins(35:50) Brian Thomas Jr.(39:25) A.J. Brown(41:50) Drake London(45:20) Tyreek Hill(50:20) Jaxon Smith-Njigba(55:40) Tee Higgins(58:50) Ladd McConkey(01:02:55) Terry McLaurinConnect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright. Welcome in! Thursday April 17th, Mike the Fantasy Hitman, Jason Moore, I'm Andy Holloway, the Fantasy Footballers. Mike the fantasy hitman Jason Moore I'm Andy Holloway the fantasy footballers back with you Top 15 wide receiver episode early rankings We'll take a look at the wide receiver position. We just covered running backs on Tuesday. We'll talk news. We'll talk draft

Which is oh, I? Mean it's a week away. It's a week away. So, you know, for those wondering, right after the draft, we're gonna be digging in. I mean, that's our go time, all the statistical projections, every offensive player, every team, going into the UDK, forming our opinions

based on, you know, the nitty-gritty, all the numbers, digging in. Getting all the rookie rankings, the dynasty startup rankings, getting those up as soon as possible after the NFL draft concludes. That would be in the dynasty pass because we know as soon as the NFL draft is over, people want to do their rookie drafts. We know because that is us as well. That's when we're doing it. Yep. as the NFL draft is over, people want to do their rookie drafts. We know because that is us as well.

That's when we're doing it. Yep. The real, if we're going to be honest with people, the real reason that we get right to heavy lifting work after the NFL draft is because it's for ourself. Yes. It's to have... What I mean, I don't do rookie drafts, but everybody, I get it. I get it. Other people, they do those. I'm doing it just purely for the people.

Well, I mean, you're like, you're still in the draft. Like, you're hanging out, you just don't have picks. Well, I mean, I got some big news. I'm trying to get my team a little younger in dynasty. No, you're not. That would be the first time in a decade. Well, I mean, I just made a couple offers, and then I was informed, and I'm really excited about this.

This is gonna be great. I was informed I could if I if I made an appropriate offer I could have a shot at Jonathan Brooks Wow yeah somebody said somebody somebody I know former don't know so double ACL tear when push comes to show I might have a shot at him because I need to get younger I was told by this individual who's sitting in the middle seat over there. Yeah, that sounds exactly like a Papa Josh thing. Yeah, and I know what Papa Josh is asking for

for double torn ACL Jonathan Brooks. Everything. The price is full price healthy Jonathan Brooks. That's the price. I mean, you have a microphone, Josh. Do you want to weigh in? I feel like you want to defend yourself. This all started because you sent us a trade offer.

And I started looking at your team. And your team is older than me. So we thought a young guy that maybe won't be playing this year might play again. Maybe has some value to a team that is ancient. Yeah, maybe. I don't think we're going to get anywhere on that one. But I appreciate it.

I mean, you did engage. You engaged. I was coming after Roma doonze a little bit. But no dice. No dice. Thought maybe. Yeah, he plays football. Right.

So Josh isn't going to give that up. The first offer I was sending Sutton for Rome. The second offer was Kyler and Sutton for McCarthy and Rome. Okay. So those were the two offers, Sutton getting ready to sign a contract. Sutton and Rome, that's an interesting one because. I think it's very interesting. I bet on the surface if you say,

hey, older Cortland Sutton for second year Roma doons, a top 10 wide receiver pick be like obviously it's Rome but I don't know that it's obviously Rome there are a lot of people that it's obviously yes I disagree that it's obvious well that's one of those trades where Roma dunze a wide range of opinions on his future I

am in the camp I said it on the show which probably hurt the trade offer that the Waldron lists Roma dunze will blossom like JSN I said it on the show, which probably hurt the trade offer, that the Waldron-less Roman Dunez will blossom like JSN. I think it will be. Tear the Waldron down. I think it will be. Mr. Gorbachev. Yeah. So I mean. Nice. Anyways, we do have a lot coming with the draft and we have the Ultimate Draft Kit, which is where you get the Dynasty Pass.

There are two ways that you can get the UDK. You can go to ultimatedraftkit.com and you can buy the UDK or UDK Plus pre-order pricing, get it at a discount, help you during draft season. The other way is to become an Ultimate Foot Clan supporter that gets you access to not just the UDK, but everything we offer, all of our premium content. We have two apps for those that are new to the show. We have an in-season app with a lot of features like a lineup optimizer, and we also have our UDK app.

And so you get access to all the premium content if you're an Ultimate member, including every release of the UDK Dynasty Pass and all the premium in-season content. So those are both ways. You can go to join the foot.com or ultimate draft kit.com to get access. We'll jump right into the quick question. It is related to the draft.

Comes from YouTube, Britain writes in, in the NFL draft, which team are you most excited to see pick and why? So no teams have multiple firsts as of right now there isn't you know necessarily you know one team that's gonna ammo up completely but they have higher picks and what are the names of some of the teams you're most interested in yeah I've got a three pack of teams it's really just the running back destinations to me.

I really want to know Chicago, Dallas, and Denver. Those spots seem like teams that are very interested in adding a running back. They seem valuable for that landing spot. You can throw the Raiders in there as well. I think right now that is like a kind of penciled in Gen T destination. Like, oh, at six they're going to take Gen T and then the rest of the running backs we're going to find out. But obviously if they don't, I think a lot of people's predictions and draft boards and expectations, everything

is going to shuffle around a lot. So I'll throw that in. I'm just wanting to know where these running backs land. We have about a dozen Really talented human beings at that position this year There are not that many spots For a dozen to come in and be top 25 running backs like that just can't happen no matter how talented they are So where they land and which teams decide on which guys is going to completely change our rankings. Like when we get to work after the NFL draft, our rookie rankings will look very, very different than they do today.

Mike? I was gonna say Andy, which team? Yeah, I mean, he just took my team, so. Oh, there you go. Tell us more about the pick six. For me, it was the Raiders, because it is Gentile. I'm excited.

There's a rebrand happening in Las Vegas. There is a coming back from under the rock of irrelevance. There is Brock Bowers, who everyone loves watching play. You got Geno Smith in the backfield. You have bubble gum Pete Carroll on the sidelines. You got Tom Brady up in the top. Yeah, there's a there's a rebirth happening in Las Vegas, and I think if they pick Gentie and you have these players

that we're excited for for fantasy and could actually perform on the field, there's just, it's a renewal for that city, it's a renewal for that team, and I think that's exciting. I think it's fun. I want to care about them again. And the pieces are in place. You're hoping they take Gentie? I am. Yeah, because I just think it's fun. I want to care about them again. And the pieces are in place. You're hoping they take Gentie?

I am. Yeah, because I just think it's perfect. You're gonna be putting your team in such a strong position to have elite talent at two thirds of the offensive, and Geno Smith, I mean, very capable. Signed to a contract extension. There's just competence there. And we've watched a lot of games over the last two years with rotating quarterback shuffle

and unhappy Devontae Adams. And we got this amazing Brock Bowers performance last year. So it's time for the Raiders to return to relevance for both fantasy and the NFL. I can't wait for the Giants to genty. Oh my gosh. Take their next take one. to return to relevance for both fantasy and the NFL. I can't wait for the Giants to genty. Oh, my gosh. Take their next take one. Speaking of the Giants, that is the team

that I'm most excited to watch, because I think that's where the Shadoor Sanders watch really begins. I think Cam will go one, and I think that the Browns will go probably Travis Hunter. And so now we're open. the Giants need a quarterback. And the saga of Sanders being locked in, he's easily the number two overall pick. He could fall in the first round. It's like the opinions are so all over the place.

So it will be very fascinating for me to see what happens there. Does that trigger a fall? Because the Giants don't take him no one moves up and I mean guy just got his jersey retired for the all the great seasons and in Colorado let's see if he gets to be a number three overall pick yeah yeah I mean there are a lot of possibilities in the draft that should be pretty interesting There are a lot of possibilities in the draft that should be pretty interesting. News and notes from around the league. We have been peppered with ambiguous Mark Andrews related soundbites.

This is full Shanahan. So the Ravens general manager, Eric DeCosta, came out and said, quote, I never know what's going to happen when asked if he expects Mark Andrews to be with the team. We don't even know if we're going to be alive on Sunday. The implication, right, the implication is maybe they're shopping Mark Andrews.

Maybe. And it wasn't, I mean, there was, in free agency period, we were worried about the return of Mark Andrews. So. Yeah, I mean they had a bonus date, right? Yeah, they had a date and his contract kicked in a lot of money, so I think the expectation is for him to be on the roster and this is just the GM saying,

you know, the press release type of verbiage where I will tell you nothing, but I don't know, maybe he's trade bait. Look, when a player's been this integral to your team, they probably expect to hear something better than this. That's fair, yeah. So at least it could be the beginning of the end. I said, is this the last year in Baltimore?

I think this is definitely the last year in Baltimore. I think if he plays, this will be it. Courtland Sutton? Let's say real quick. Yeah, go ahead. If you were a GM, how could you not just, at this point of the year, troll the pants off of every media member?

I would be leaking the stupidest crap. Like things like this about, you're like, Mark Andrews, is he gonna be on the team? Oh, I don't know I have no I I have no idea and just like what what why not that would be that would be the most fun of your job I Corlyn Sutton said extension talks at the Browns or sorry the Broncos are working in the right direction and so there have been pretty positive talks about him signing a longer-term deal with

Denver he's in a really good position because I feel like last year they saw that they're a team that needs to build for the future He's an older veteran probably doesn't make sense to have a long-term extension And then they hit on a rookie quarterback contract that says, okay, well, now let's maybe, let's just lock in the next two years while we can afford a wide receiver. That's it, it's a two-year window, Cortland-Sutton, stable for your team, because what they haven't hit on is, you know, Franklin and Mims being like,

they're not at Sutton's level, they're not a game changer, a first down guy, a red zone guy. Yeah. I mean Franklin is clearly on his way. Ever. Hey it's Franklin's. I gotta play him when I can man. There's not a lot of career left.

Oh no. Dolph is general manager. Chris Greer also said the team is not currently considering trading Tyree Kill, yada yada, yada yada. Wanna talk white outs? What is this verbiage? Not currently considering trading Tyree Kell, yada yada, yada yada. Wanna talk white outs? What is this verbiage? Not currently considering. See, that's the troll.

That's what I would be doing. We're not currently considering trading Lamar Jackson. We're not currently considering trading Jumeir Gitts. I would maybe go a little lighter than that. I don't think we're considering. You know what, Papa Josh, I'm not currently considering trading you, Cortland Sutton anymore. Good. I'm not currently considering firing him.

Josh? Yeah. Okay, that's good. Not currently. Not currently. I'm currently considering whether to fire Josh. So I mean, you know, we'll figure this out. All right, let's talk wide outs.

Wide receivers. All right, we just did this with running backs going through our consensus early rankings before we get into all of our deep team projections post draft. We did put together a list, each of us probably the top 40 or so white outs, and we grabbed our consensus top 15. We're going to share those with you today. We talked about what makes a top 15 running back on the Tuesday show for a top 15 wide outs have averaged at least seven and a half targets a game.

So they're generally that's a, that's a high number. 67% of them had at least eight receiving touchdowns. And the average is, I think, about a hundred and forty-four. So that's a pretty good number. So that's a pretty good number. So that's a pretty good number. So that's a pretty good number. So that's a pretty good number. So that's a pretty good number. So that's a pretty targets again. So they're generally, that's a, that's a high number. 67% of them had at least eight receiving touchdowns. We'll be talking about Terry McClaren today. Yeah. And so another number just related to wins and losses. Um,

the top 15 wide receivers were on NFL teams that averaged 9.7 wins. It's the same number as the top 15 running backs. You're always, I like how Jason put it. It's the same way I view it in the draft. If you are really close on a player, maybe they're both in the same tier. If you need a difference maker, pick the team you think is gonna be better,

gonna win more games. It's just gonna help you. So let's take a look here at number one. It's not a surprise. Jamar Chase, number one for all of us. Certainly lapped the field last year, finally did it. Right? We've been coming into drafts. It all came together. Had been coming into drafts for years, just saying what was true. They'd, oh you know Jamard Chase has as good a chance as anybody to finish as the wide receiver one overall. Now crazy that it took four years. Yeah yeah he was 20 fantasy points a game. Jefferson was 15.6. That's the largest gap between wide receiver one and two in seven years. Another stat that

I found, he was targeted 17 times on passes inside the 10. That's dreamy. Yeah. No, it's, it's sensational of the way that they utilize them and going back, you know, the, the, the Cincinnati Bengals running back discussion, like if they keep Chase Brown, you know, like Brown is not the gigantic quadded up running back that, hey, when we get inside the five, that's the plan. They know we're going to three downs, we're just going to run this ball. That's not who the Bengals are. The Bengals offense is all of the money is Jamar Burrow and T Higgins.

And they're gonna keep throwing their defense is gonna be porous it it guys it's the scent the situation is beautiful it's so great yeah I mean we talked one of the reasons I liked Evans and we liked Godwin and we liked Baker was stability last year for Tampa's offense you've just got stability in Cincinnati with even higher upside players at every position. So Burrow, Chase, T Higgins getting the extension. There's no real concern here? No. I mean at this juncture. No. What quarterback, like forget who the wide receiver is, what quarterback would you

pick of the entire league right now to throw to your number one wide receiver for fantasy points? Like you don't want a mobile quarterback quite as much, they're not going to throw as much. You want someone who's a touchdown machine in passing touchdowns. Yeah, other than maybe Josh Allen, I mean, I feel like... Yeah, I mean, even then it's like Josh Allen's going to get a lot of those rushing touchdowns. Yeah, other than maybe Josh Allen, I mean, I feel like. Yeah, I mean, even then it's like Josh Allen's gonna get a lot of those rushing touchdowns, probably, you know, it's like, this might be the best quarterback to pick

for your wide receiver in the entire league, and then you go, okay, well, take the quarterback away. Who's the best wide receiver that you'd pick out of all of them? Oh, certainly. Maybe Justin Jefferson, maybe Chase, it's probably between those two, but it's like like they've got each other, it's not fair. It feels it feels a lot like Stafford and Calvin Johnson and the fact you got the rapport, you've got the

history, they played together in college, it's just perfect. CD Lamb comes in at number two on our early wide receiver rankings. I have them at three. I've got Jefferson ahead of him. That's fine. Jason and Mike have him at two. So, CD Lamb, I think when you look at Dallas's offense, he's the piece you like, right? It's not something where you feel incredibly confident everywhere else. In the backfield, okay, we'll see what we're gonna get. Dak should be very good. Has provided a number one season for CD Lamb, but beyond that combo you don't feel great about the rest of the offensive pieces, but that's fine. That's good. You can argue that that is a feather in the cap. I mean if T Higgins comes out and ends up with 14 or 15 touchdowns, you know receiving this year that just

14 or 15 touchdowns, you know receiving this year that just unfortunately might come at the expense of Jamar chase CD lamb is alone there and he was excellent last year He missed a game. He was still the wide receiver eight and he was playing without his quarterback and without his shoulder So, you know you might feel like it was a down year because he was the wide receiver one prior to that But I think you've got to wash a lot of that injury away, whether it's Dax's injury or CD Lam's injury. It was a pretty big point per game differential. Yeah, yeah, yeah. CD Lam 19.7 down to 14.2, and that was touchdowns. I mean, your touchdowns were in half from the year before, but there are a lot of reasons

why he kind of did the best he could do. We watched him game after game play really well in the first half until the inevitable hit that... Oh my gosh, yeah. Every single game, it was like around halftime, third quarter, he would take some amazing catch and fall to the ground and that shoulder would be re-aggravated. I don't know why they kept letting him play. I would have shut him down to make sure that your superstar wide receiver was great. They did. He only played 15 games last year. He yeah, but there were games that you were just like, yeah, why are you out there? But yes, very much.

But maybe he was embellishing. Who knows? I got to look like a warrior. By the way, he broke more tackles than any other wide receiver in football last year number one in tackle breaking so Always a big play threat you guys got him at two. My number two is our consensus number three. It's Justin Jefferson These three guys we know what yeah, you know what you're getting in fantasy football Yeah, I don't think you have a ton of discussion with all these three guys. We can nitpick.

Obviously, Justin Jefferson's the reason he's three versus two is because the quarterback situation, you know, I like JJ McCarthy, but we don't know how he'll throw touchdowns. Just more question marks there versus we know what CD can do with Dak. All three guys are great. All three guys are tier one wide receivers. These are foundational pieces for fantasy championships and you expect them to be great.

What Jefferson just did with Sam Darnold, a career washout until this last year, proved that like, okay, I'm not too afraid of McCarthy. Yeah, he's averaged the most receiving yards per game in the history of the NFL. That's pretty good. Has the most receiving yards through the in the history of the NFL. That's pretty good. Has the most receiving yards through the first five years of his career. And it's by a lot, by the way. He averages 96.5 yards a game,

the next highest in history, Calvin Johnson at 86.1. So pretty wild. He could, apparently he could average under 40 yards a game, or just above 40 yards a game. And he'd still be number one all time if he did that all season long, he would still be above Calvin Johnson. All right, we'll take a break

and we'll get to some more interesting names. Yeah, that's the easy ones. Those guys were easy. Back in a minute. All right. Well at number four in our early wide receiver rankings, you guys both have them at four. I have them at five. It's Puka Nakua.

So what's the story with Puka from last year? No more Cooper Cup going into this year. He only trailed Chase and neighbors in receptions per game last year. What case is there for moving him down on this list? Where does your confidence come from keeping him here? The only reason to move him down to me, I think some people can make an argument that Devonte Adams is worse than Cooper Cup was for him. I do not see it that way. I don't necessarily see that as an upgrade either. He had Cooper Cup for his career so far. He's taking a great receiver that's gone and putting

another great receiver there. I just see it as like it's even. So his injury history this last year and dating back to college combined with Matthew Stafford's age and injury history, I think those are the reasons if you want to get negative on Puka. But what we have seen is a guy who when he is on the field and he played his entire rookie year and got banged up a little bit this time, has just been world class. On a points per game basis, you're talking about a top three wide receiver, and he's going into year three.

He's young, he dominates everywhere on the field. So I don't think there's a lot to criticize personally with Puka at all. Yeah, his role should be safe production, when he's on the field is safe. I would say- He's still getting, he is still to this day getting like anti-draft capital.

So he's getting, is it a Rams thing? Cause Kyron has that problem too. Well, I- I think it's a NFL draft prospect time. He was not supposed to be great. He just really wasn't. Yeah, so some people were waiting for the shoe to drop. Hopefully that part of them is gone.

But you also have, I mean, on this offense, you need to be the alpha. He's probably the alpha, but from a personality standpoint, Cooper Cup is far less vocal and demanding than maybe Devonte Adams would be. Whether that's red zone opportunities, not that, again, I'm not discounting that because nobody was better in the red zone than Cooper Cup, whether he was loud about it or not. I just think of how Devonte Adams views himself, what happened to Garrett Wilson when Devonte Adams arrived. Those would just be back of the mind things, but he should be coming into this Rams organization with the expectation that Puka is their majority wide receiver, you would think, but that that's a variable

Yeah, I I think that if if Puka had been drafted in the first round of the NFL draft Everybody would have him at at three what he's done on the field at three over who? Well, we've got him. We've got him at three, but I think I'm at four. We have a four or yeah I'm sorry at four He is I've seen him in a, but I think- No, you have him at four. We have him at four. Or, yeah, I'm sorry, at four. He is, I've seen him in a lot of drafts and in other ADPs, drop several spots. People are concerned with Puka, and I just don't think they should be.

I don't think he has ever given a single reason to be concerned with him. So last year, 16.1 point per game average in the games he was active. High target volume player. The touchdowns weren't there. That would be something to I mean three touchdowns. Yeah. On the year in those games. But like you said 16.1 fantasy points per game on average in those games that he played. Last year Justin Jefferson was 15.6. So if you know you think about like how okay Jamar Chase was 20 but that's not normal he lapped the field it's just like he is you know he's great like Nico Collins last year 14.7 points per game. He's great 16.1 for Pooka and it's like I don't know the

Stafford is confusing to me of he's a great quarterback and you know his first year in Los Angeles he threw 4,800 yards and 41 touchdowns but the three years since that were the the touchdown percentages are since that, the touchdown percentages are very pedestrian. And like, how did you have seasons with Puka and Cooper Cup and the touchdowns aren't there? Feel like it's a Chiron thing. Yeah, it could definitely be that. I just thought of the,

so you guys have the full confidence still in Stafford? Like, can we get more than, where's the where the touch that can we get more last year was 20 touchdowns in 16 games well we know we can get more than that because but the year before that it was 24 I mean you have three years in a row here with the Rams where his average touchdown percent is at four so it's under league average that's very confusing. Amon Ra St. Brown is number five he is number four for me Jason's got him at five Mike at six. Amon Ra is such a he's been such a strange player since coming into the league because he definitely has that dog in him. Oh he is

the dog. And one of the things when you look at that dog in him. Oh, he is the dog. And one of the things when you look at him and the role he plays in the offense, sometimes it's easy to dismiss players like that as though they are not as relevant in the red zone or in the end zone, the touchdown numbers. I was looking this up, he has the most red zone receptions of anybody in football, even more than Jamar Chase.

So when they get down into that area of the field, you don't need to worry or think that they're going to target somebody else. Like, you know, you have bigger body players like Hockinson, even Jamison Williams, and yet Aman Ra is kind of a go-to player that finds space in the defense, in the red zone, maybe more like how Julian Edelman executed the offense with Tom Brady in New England,

where Edelman wasn't prototypical from a touchdown perspective, but he was a go-to guy. So, you know, he is a very, very dynamic player. He was a majority slot percentage player early in his career. It has changed a lot. Last year was his highest percentage out wide, basically 50-50 out wide and in the slot.

Yeah, and for Amon Ra losing Ben Johnson, you have to assume they will be running the offense as close to what they had as before. But we've seen teams before where a new guy comes in and they're saying, OK, this is the system, and they mismanage it this is the system and they mismanage it so if you're talking downsides of of Amon Ra that's what it would be the nice thing is he's really Established himself as like the leader of that offense. Yeah, he is, you know, at least the passing game Obviously the the offensive line and running game is is a big portion of the Lions

But there's a great offense with a ton of continuity everywhere, but coaching He's a guy that's always gonna have more than 140 targets and him and Jared Goff the way that they play You know, this is not a this is not a guy who's gonna catch 66% of his passes It's just such high floor PPR And then the fact that he has utilized the last two years in the red zone the way he has been If you're a person who may be put off by the puka injuries since he had him in college and he had him last year The non puka from a durability perspective is on Monroe place Basically every game every year. He's been the wide receiver 8 3 & 3 the last two years the three years. So in that respect

Very very very safe. And the target totals will be in the 140s. So we're still in the safe category. Now a more interesting name, he actually comes in at six in our consensus. Mike's got him at five, Jason at six, I've got him at eight. We don't know who his quarterback's going to be.

Well, it's... With certainty. Yeah, yeah, okay, that's fine. Because, I mean, you brought him up in the draft, the fact that they could take Shadour Sanders, but it's Malik Nabors. Nabors comes in at number six, and, you know, we know the potential. 166 targets on a bad offense, still put up 1,200 yards, still put up seven touchdowns. He was the entire Giants offense as a rookie. So I mean he was first read on 154 of 170

targets which was I think he's the third most first read targets in the NFL. Yeah I mean he's Jamar Chase so this is like yeah to me if you were to literally trade those two players in the NFL if you were to trade Malik neighbors and Jamar Chase and whip swap them teams Malik neighbors should be the number one wide receiver drafted and Jamar Chase should be the number six wide receiver drafted. This is a quarterback offense problem, not a Malik neighbors problem. I'm gonna buy in completely to what he showed on the field last year. And I hate doing the whole, well, he should have a quarterback upgrade thing when you go from bad to mediocre because we have enough years

of doing this where it's like Russell Wilson is not a fix now if Jamis comes in. I mean you do have that at least like Russell gets injured and they don't draft Shadour then Jamis is not a fix either for the team but he has a really really nice four-game stretch for Malik neighbors where he'll be targeted 38 times per game. The Giants were tied or trailing on 90% of the routes for Malik neighbors and I don't think that things are going to change drastically for the New York Giants. I think they'll improve, but this is still

a team that's going to be trailing. Range of outcomes for Malik neighbors. How high could he finish if things went right this year? Is it number one? Because I think it is. I would say yes. I would say his range of outcomes to me is one. I think you can finish number one overall.

I think he could be number one and then as low as 12 would be, oh, we had a bad year. Yeah, he's a wide receiver one. He could definitely finish as the wide receiver one. I don't think he could finish as the wide receiver one if Russell Wilson is the quarterback the entire way. Nico Collins comes in at seven. Right now I have him at six, Mike at seven, Jason at eight.

And Nico got off to a smoking hot start last year before the injury. Average 19 fantasy points per game. What was Chase at 20? Yeah. So they were neck-and-neck. His 17 game pace last year would have put him over 2,000 receiving yards. The injuries derailed it. The offensive struggles towards the end of the year. Yeah, the detection's falling apart, which, I mean, you can have the question, was Nico still not great? Over the last year, he's had the fourth most 20-plus yard receptions.

You're getting big plays from Nico. You're getting long touchdowns. There were, what was it, two weeks in a row when he returned from injury, he had long touchdowns called back on penalty. Oh yes. You remember that? The screen pass? Oh yes.

I remember it. He was starting for me. I have forgotten, but you were correct. So you got a new offensive coordinator, you're looking for CJ Stroud. That was the first play of the game, Matt? Yeah, first play of the game on his first game back was a screen pass, and he ran it to the house, and it didn't count.

And you're like, all you wanted him to do is protect his hamstring, and he does a wind sprint for no points. But yeah, the injury, it sucked. It derailed the season. It hurt the team quite a bit. And then they made a change at offensive coordinator. So do I like CJ Stroud?

Yeah, I still have confidence in him. Offensive line, we gotta get that figured out so that you can target Nico, because his average depth of target is in the higher range compared to other white outs. Yeah, I mean, the issue to me is the offensive line. The Nico we saw after he came back from injury versus the Nico that we saw to start the season on fire

I think the truth is in between those two I don't believe that you know the second half pace he would have been only on pace for 87 receptions 1100 yards eight touchdowns which are good numbers, but those aren't like elite wide receiver You know top three numbers by any means The beginning of the year like like you said, Andy, he was averaging 19 fantasy points per game and a lot of the big plays were just hitting. So, I mean, I think we've got him about,

I would be very excited to have Nico Collins. I look at him bullishly as an alpha wide receiver one, as definitely a wide receiver one in fantasy, but I do shave off the very beginning of the season when it was like, oh, is this the new wide receiver one in fantasy football? I don't actually think that that's who Nico is. I do think he's a top three,

like that's his range of outcomes. I think he could get into the top three. He could score double digits. I mean, he hasn't had a season yet with double digit touchdowns. Probably would have done it last year without the injury. Was on pace to improve his yardage mark from the year before where he was 1,300 receiving yards, 1,297 and he was on pace for 1,425. So yeah a true alpha. Target competition will be a bit

different this year. They brought Christian Kirk in who is a good confident slot player but the T the tank dell after that injury you you can't imagine that he's gonna be ready to go in week one digs so yeah and Stefan digs is gone so it's who like who's playing the other outside position for them you know depth chart wise maybe John Metchi I think maybe Justin Watson who they just brought in I mean I guess his ADP is wide receiver six. So he's not being discounted at all. No.

But I think if we had come into last year with no digs, tank, Dell question marks, we would have looked at Nico and drafted him appropriately. There was doubts about whether he would be the, not from Mike, for the record. Mike was very definitive that there was a tier difference. But let's move on. Number eight, Brian Thomas Jr.

We actually all have him ranked very similarly, a little bit ahead of ADP right now. One of the more interesting things when I looked into the season for Brian Thomas Jr. that I wasn't as aware of was how incredibly good he was after the catch. He was the fifth best in the NFL in yards after the catch. When you think of Yak players you think of Debo, right? You think of Rashe Rice because he was near the top of the list. Brian Thomas Jr. is right there and so he was doing so much with the football wherever he caught it around the field. 1200 yards, 87 receptions, 10 touchdowns. This is a young ascending

player, the face of the franchise on offense alongside Trevor Lawrence. I don't really think that this season can go poorly for him. I don't. No, you really don't want to overthink this one. This was a guy who in his rookie season came out and was a top five fantasy wide receiver playing for part of it with Mac Jones as a backup quarterback.

And you'll hear some- That's what dominated. Yeah, that's the thing. You'll hear some people say, well, was that why? Mac Jones just hyper- Jones just hyper target him he was better with Mac Jones than he was with Trevor Lawrence now Trevor Lawrence is coming back, but that's you got to look deeper and remember the context This this was when he was breaking out in his rookie season towards the end of the season when Krisha Kirk got injured You know Evan Ingram missed some games, and it was like okay now They were kind of forced to make him the true one.

Who does Ingram play for now? Exactly, who does Christian Kirk play for? Exactly. Yeah, they're gone permanently. So they have, if you listen to Liam Cohen talk, every time, this is, and you just said it, it's the face of the, like, Trevor Lawrence is obviously, the quarterback's always gonna be the face of the franchise, but in Jacksonville, it is...

Brian Thomas is our star now. He's the Jefferson for that team. Yes. And so his target market share is going to be incredible. And when you have someone with that kind of physical talent, the breakaway, yak ability, that young and ascending who's going to have that target market share very good. There's a reason why we're all three above ADP on Brian Thomas Jr. because you've got a guy who I don't think he can fail this year, but we certainly have not seen.

I don't think we believe we've seen his best football of his career yet. What's wild is, you know, we had the debate on the show about Brian Thomas Jr. and Malik neighbors. Who would you take? If you think about which team you think is going to win more games, I would pick Jacksonville. Fair. So depending on where you have them. Not by much.

Depending on where you have them tiered. I mean, New York, 90% of the time was trailing last year. Russell Wilson is not an answer. Their answer may be a couple couple years away. It's just an interesting thought experiment. Yeah, no. And similar to my complaints about Puka, sometimes not being respected as a one because of his NFL draft capital, I wonder if the exact same careers had happened for both neighbors and Brian Thomas Jr., but you just flopped which one got drafted first

in the NFL draft. Yep. Would we be seeing them in the opposite? Because it feels- We would be. Yeah, it feels like so. We would be. Mike, AJ Brown has had a fantasy finish

of number five in 2022 with Philly. Then he goes to seven. Then last year, 16. He did miss four games. Yeah, he was actually a higher points per game than 23 somehow. And you have him the lowest. He comes in at nine in our consensus. Talk to me about, is there AJ Brown fatigue setting in

in the fantasy community? There is. I think that we're on the downside of the career. Still ranked as a wide receiver one but I am personally to the point with AJ Brown of like oh there's there's some of the the risers the guy like Drake London I'd prefer Drake London I'd rather take the shot on on the upside of Drake London hitting then then AJ This, the way that the offense is more, Saquon Barkley is such a humongous deal to AJ Brown,

where like, I know the, you know, he missed games, but in just terms of what the offense is, I don't think we're gonna see another, almost 1,500 yard and 11 touchdown season for AJ Brown when you have Barkley. Because that's, it's not what they wanna do. Yeah, no, you can put it this way. Here is a game where last year AJ Brown had 36 yards

and they won the game with 41 points. There's a game where he had 43 yards and they won the game with 41 points. There's a game where he had 43 yards and they won the game. There's a game where he had 36 yards and they won the game. They don't need him on this offense to go out and put up 90 yards every game to be successful, but he is still an alpha, dominates in one-on-ones, and should still finish the season as a wide receiver one, but I do think the ceiling is capped

because of the fact that he's not as necessary as pretty much everyone else we talked about. Your floor is not nearly as stable. I mean, you have week nine, he scored 4.6 points. Week 13, he's under 10. Week 14 is at just above 6 points. Those are not normal things for A.J. Brown, but there are things that in this range of where we want... Like your draft capital, I need greatness. And knowing that A.J. Brown is probably going to have 4-5 of those games this year, I just have them a little bit lower.

Well, I don't wanna go to break quite yet, because I wanna put your comments about AJ Brown in context with number 10 on our list, which is Drake London. Mike, you said you prefer him. I do. You know, one of these guys has Jalen Hurts, Super Bowl winning quarterback.

The other guy has a brand new face, Michael Pinnix. And I know the numbers are really good for Pinnix with Drake London at the very end of the year. He was hyper-targeted. It's also two games, right? It's a two game sample. Drake. I think three.

Well, I guess I'm looking at the final two games. He had the most receiving yards in the league Drake London did with Michael Pinnix. Yeah, the second most first read targets. He had a 42% target per outrun like Drake London was it for Michael Pinnix. Yes You also had nine touchdowns last year 1200 yards for Drake London. He finished at wide receiver six He is very much the opposite of Brian Thomas Jr. when it comes to yards after the catch. That's not his game. He is a down the field, um, 12.7, 13 yards per catch and fall down. Like his yards after the catch was Deandre Hopkins level last year, 58th

in football. Um, so that's not his game. His game is go up and get it, be a competitive catch player. I guess I wonder, you know, with some of the doubts we have around certain quarterback play, how much does that factor in? And it seems like in the Bichon discussion, which looked really good for, you know, the Michael Pinnix-Bichon combination, seems like people are in the same camp here. Like I think the range of outcomes for London is a little bit. There's a lower Yeah, wider variance than than other play Yeah

You can see it go wrong Much easier for the Falcons than you can for the Super Bowl champion Eagles who just have they're just rolling back another great team You had a very very small Example at the end of the season of what could go well for Michael Pinnix. And so, yeah, the range of outcomes when you don't understand, is Michael Pinnix a great quarterback? Is he a bad quarterback? Is he an average quarterback?

We don't know that yet. Um, but that's also exciting. It's exciting to say, well, what if Michael Pinnix comes out and then, you know, at the end of this season, we look back and say, wow, he's like a top five quarterback because we don't, that could, that could happen this season, we look back and say, wow, he's like a top five quarterback. Because that could happen this season. He could level up in his first full season, his second year in the NFL. And if that happens, because Drake London is, he's not dealing with Devontae Smith, he's dealing with Darnell Mooney as the wide receiver too.

Drake London could really have an outstanding season, but also the Falcons could collapse. So it's just how do you want to play? Yeah, Pinnix, confidence. Yeah. Gotta be confident. You need to be confident in the 50-something percent completion percentage. They say confidence is very important.

58%. And so in his three starts, you would uh the average was okay I think he beat still 50 I think he beat the Giants and then lost back to that games to finish the year there's just that is correct there's just a little doubt there in the but in those games successful 34 points 24 points against Washington then 38 so yes into the year man I don't know I don't know I'd love it to be true let's make it true it's better for Bich love it to be true. Let's make it true It's better for Bichon. It's better for London. It's better for fantasy players

it's better for Mooney who's probably a Sneaky player this yeah to be honest. All right, we'll take a break. We'll cover the last five names Well Tyrereek Hill. Yeah. Weird, weird discussion. Tyreek, not a good year for Tyreek Hill. Yet he's being drafted at wide receiver 11, that's where we have him.

I got him at 12, Jason at 15. And I very much respect it. He had nearly the most drops in the NFL last year, maybe because of the stat numbers that Jason was putting up with him. He did have a wrist injury all year too. Yes, yes. I mean, that's what you have to lean on

to make the bowl case for Tyree Kale. Now, I mean, nobody is more explosive. Nobody has a higher percentage of 20 plus yard plays. Nobody is going to, you know, being drafted almost outside the top 12 wide receivers. It's hard to find anybody that you could say, oh yeah, we should have seen that wide receiver three season coming. Like that's not all that stuff is possible with Tyree Kale. But last year was rough. I mean Jason pointed out on Twitter, he tweeted about this a week ago. He had 906 snaps for 959 yards last year. In 2023, 695

snaps turned into almost 1800 yards. That doesn't make sense. It doesn't make any sense. 211 more snaps, 840 fewer yards, the offense changed. John New Smith had a roll, the short area targets, and then the injury, which seems like it was real. Oh yes. And yet, really seems like it shouldn't have affected the amount of targets he was receiving. Yeah, I mean the offense morphed. You didn't see as much downfield anything and downfield Tyree Kill is a pretty important superpower of his and they just weren't pushing the ball

down there. So there's worries. You can excuse some of this, oh it's the wrist. I don't give a lot of credence to that. He played 17 games. Okay, maybe he was a little banged up, but a lot of NFL players are banged up while they're playing games. I give much more credence to the fact that, well, you lost Tyreek Hill for a portion of that, and so, you know, the total passing volume would shrink a little bit. John New Smith coming, you know, to get more involved, but, you know, when you look at a player who's gonna be overdrafted, Tyreek Hill still has the promise of being the number one wide receiver. You're dead.

I mean, you're just two years removed from it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, oh, if he had a down year this last year and that's all it was because Tyreek got injured, and we just go back to what it was the year before last, I mean, you're getting a steal. When you're drafting him as the wide receiver 11 you get him in the second round. That's fine But I just want to make sure when you're doing that that you realize he played the whole freaking season last year and sucked

He scored 10 fantasy points a game like he was he was He was actively harmful for your team in the entire season And that's the most recent thing we have to go off of when he had the slow start a lot of people myself included Acquired him cheaply Because there wasn't a you're like waiting for to it to come back and fix it all because that was the case, right? Yes, the argument was Tyree's not having the career year again, but it's because two is not there So I'm gonna get him before to it comes back count on to a playing. That's what I did. It never came It never arrived. It never arrived.

It was like, and then he was just in my lineup going, this week then, this week then. So it didn't happen. No. Let me ask you guys a question. Who had more yards, or I'm sorry, more points per game last year? I wonder.

Tyreek Hill or Adam Thielen? Per game? Per game. That's Thielen then. It sure is. How many games was Thielen? Thielen played 10 games. I don't remember. He played 10 games. My point is on a points per game, like his season total looks not as bad as it was because he played the whole season. He played 17 games and so he accumulated stats, but on a per game basis he wasn't, he was the wide receiver 35, 35 in points per game. Basically tied with Josh Downs.

And Josh Downs had a very successful season. This will tell the whole truth, Jason. We have our consistency metric. It's a D for dreadful. Don't like. 29.4% of the time above 10 and a half points. Yeah, it was bad. So could he bounce back?

Sure. Am I going to bet? I mean, it's very, very very very rare that at towards the end of someone's career he will be playing at the age of 31 exactly at the age of post 30 that you have a down year and that's considered a down year because you come back right no it's not common so I'm out number 12 JSN Jackson Smith and Jigba Jason at 10 10, Mike at 16, I'm at 14 in between. And what are your, what's the holistic thoughts on JSN?

Because you've got a new quarterback. Yep. Got a new head coach. Yep. Got a new pecking order. Oh sorry, new offensive coordinator. Yeah, yeah. Because Ryan Grubb fired.

DK McCavis gone. Tyler Lockett is gone. Cooper Cup. Welcome to town. A lot of talk about I mean Mike is confident Kenneth Walker, maybe the running game gets going. But JSN was he was just outstanding. Last year, he was the wide receiver 10 in fantasy points last season and he was so much better over the second half you know he Jason was a little disappointing his rookie year but he's disappointing a lot of it sure he was a lot of it disappointing his rookie year only because a lot of it he was supposed it's very Marvin Harrison jr. I talk about it all the time Marvin Harrison jr. did not have a bad rookie

season Marvin Harrison jr. had a terrible compared to expectations rookie season but he was good. JSN had the same thing and the reason is because you don't agree with which part of that. 630 yards and 4 touchdowns. I think that's what he's feeling. Yeah, I'm just feeling like I watched the games and this was not an important player. Sure, I mean you're saying in his rookie year. Correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His rookie year was a was a massive disappointment, but he still was you know 600 yards in his rookie season. It's not like oh this career is done. Last year he became the guy and he became the guy with DK Metcalf on the

team and he became the guy with the older Tyler Lockett on the team finishes the wide receiver 10 It all got better as the season went on and then they got rid of these guys So going into year three of Geno Smith. Yes. Yes, they got rid of Geno Smith and obviously should be good Yeah, I mean I I believe JSN will have a target volume that is, you know 150 plus targets pretty much guaranteed. I hope they use them properly. So now there's a lot of excitement around Grubb last year and it didn't work out for the team.

He was a first down machine. He had the six most first down receptions in the NFL. He just found a way to get open and they found him. I think the question is how talented do you think he is? Like just the wide receiver, put him anywhere is how talented do you think he is like just the wide receiver put him anywhere else What I don't I don't think that JSN is I Mean when you look at just NFL talent a wide receiver, I don't think he's the top ten guy So I think that's the important distinction. I do not think so. No, I think he is more

I mean, I don't want to insult the guy but like Deontay Johnson had some great fantasy years. Mm-hmm. He's closer to that than Jamar Chase for me. Okay that's fine. The my biggest concern for I mean the shifting of the offense which projects to be run heavier than it was this past year. And the fact that like is, is Sam Darnold like is what we saw last year more of a product of the Minnesota Vikings and the Kevin O'Connell offense, or did Sam Darnold really figure something out?

It's probably the Kevin O'Connell. And I lean on the side of it being Kevin O'Connell up with giving Darnold credit for getting better than he was before that year. But if you go back and watch Gino, who, again, I think Gino is a very good quarterback, watch a lot of what happens with that offensive line last year for Gino.

That pocket is crumbling around him. And Gino is managing to dance, not freak out, and then he's finding the guys. But that's Donald's strength. That's Donald loves. Which goes into my larger point is we saw the end of the Minnesota Viking season last year when everything just crumbled into pieces, it was Sam Darnold got freaked out and didn't know what to do. Where Gino, I think, was making magical things happen last year under

the circumstances. I think that's the best anti-JSN argument possible, is the offensive line going to ruin Sam Darnold. Because there are certain quarterbacks, like I would throw Jared Goff. Then see ghosts? Yeah. Yeah, I would say. He'll be seeing ghosts and ghouls, goblins. Are certain quarterbacks where when things go right, they're really, really, really good. Jared Goff is an awesome quarterback

behind an awesome offensive line. When things go wrong and pressure's there, he's not making plays on his own and doing those things. And so yeah, I think that's a very valid anti-JSN's fantasy value take to have. It's an anti-JSN ceiling. Dominator. 16, that's not a bad ranking. I'm going to go re-watch JSN's second half of the year and see how much was him, how

much was Gino, because my view of him as a Talent I think is just very high. I think you know sure he coming into the draft Yeah, we're obviously he was the first NFL Wide receiver taken in his draft class. So if he is that talented, I think he'll overcome 13 is T Higgins So makes our top 15 He was outstanding 13 is T Higgins, so makes our top 15. He was outstanding.

This is, this is the stupidest thing. What is? We cannot all be in on T Higgins. I'm in. And it is going to go so terrible. Well look, I think we're all. This is the boo ghost from Mario. We're all looking. We're all looking We're all very comfortable with T Higgins

Because his situation is very comfortable and he's played enough football I mean he averages a touchdown every seven point seven receptions the beast That is like fifth best in football, you know, you're going to get scores with T Higgins You know how comfortable Joe burrow is with it it He's not gonna be the number one target tomorrow chase will be better than him, but it's not but it's not Drastic no he and chase helps Higgins so much well So there's so much better when they're together Well, are you saying that because chase was averaging 20 points per game as the number one wide receiver While on a points per game basis,

T Higgins was 15.5 as the fourth best wide receiver last year in fantasy on a points per game basis. Obviously missed games, but yeah, when they're both out there together, they're both just freaking awesome. And to be clear, I mean, this was, this is not the first rodeo for T Higgins. He's played, well, when he's been healthy.

He's played with Joe Burrow for many years. This was by far his best points for game performance. Yes. He has traditionally been 13, 11 and a half. So, you know, maybe, maybe the double digit touchdowns aren't coming back. I mean, that's, that was his touchdown high by three in his career. So, so that would be the one thing you look at and say, okay by three in his career.

So that would be the one thing you look at and say, okay. In 12 games. He just, yeah, in 12 games. So maybe you don't get double digit touchdowns. That's certainly possible, but very safe. If he slips and drafts, I would put him on every one of my teams so that I can feel pain like Mike did. Yeah, I'm really sad to see that right now.

Join me in the pit. I'm really sad to see that right now. Join me in the pit. I'm really sad to see right now that he's like at the back of the second round. I don't think people are as low on him as I hoped they would be. I'm very bullish, very confident, and I'm not scared at all about the games missed. I'm really not.

Maybe it's because I haven't lived that experience with you, Mike. You should be a little scared of that. Yeah. But he doesn't play 7-2. I mean, he would. He'd rather be dead than play 7-2. I mean, it's a minor concern I think you should have.

Yeah. Okay. I mean, this is- You are going to miss games. I don't know. That's a guarantee. You've seen that check bonus on his contract? It don't matter.

He, guess what? Let me tell you this. What was he playing for last year? Oh yeah, free agent contract. That's he playing for last year? Oh yeah. Free agent contract. That's a lot of checks. Miss four games. Yeah. No, sorry. Miss five games. He's quite good at starting games, which I think that the data is the heart. I think if he is on the field for snap one, I think the check clears. Good point. Oh man, he does that a lot. That will be a risk.

What could go wrong for T. Higgins this year? He doesn't mind limping around in the first quarter. Lad McConkey comes in at 14. Apparently, I'm by far the lowest. It's not really not on purpose. You just hate him. I remember in the college scouting time last year Andy was like this lad guys. So he called him last McConkey. Yeah last McConkey

He was always anti-lad McCoy at that cuz that was not good. Say you Matt. No Yeah, yeah was Matt. I was as I was telling the joke like this is not good, but I'm gonna finish to be clear. I this is not good, but I'm gonna finish. To be clear, I was a lad guy. Yeah, you were. And then you're like, man, I wanna be like Andy. And then you got on the lad bandwagon. And he's outstanding. He's an incredible player.

His catch percentage is outrageous. He was like the 10th best in football. He broke a ton of tackles. So you wouldn't think that that's who he is. Yeah, he is. He's the fourth highest tackle breaking wide receiver in football. He's just a complete wide receiver. He is literally the picture you should draw for quarterbacks, best friend.

He is open, sure-handed. We'll catch the football on a, on an important third down. And I think the question for everybody in fantasy is just, what is he going to be for the team moving forward? Is there more upside to Lad McConkey? And I don't think there's a lot more. I think 82 for 11, 55 and seven, you can go up from there.

You can catch 100 passes. Lad can catch 100 passes. Yeah, he could be 100 for 12, 50 and eight. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, there is room. There's not number one overall. That's not an outcome. That's realistic for Lad McConkie.

But this is a super solid player that, you know, he's being drafted at wide receiver 13. He's being respected in drafts. Yeah, he is. He seems to me like a pretty much guaranteed top 15 wide receiver. He's playing that role that it's not the same system when Keenan Allen was there but that that Justin Herbert to super reliable wide receiver role like I'm you know the the I've got to move the chains I'm going to go to my guy who I know exactly on

this step he's going to be in this spot he's going to catch the ball when I put a catchable ball on him. So, Lad is very, very safe, but yeah, the upside case is difficult. I think I have hope from, and I know it was like the Brandon Staley era, so take, shave a few fourth down, go for it's off, but what we saw per game with Keenan was like surprisingly high and We also saw in the second half of last year the new system with Harbaugh We saw Justin Herbert kind of allowed to take more control and be the leader of this offense versus just like

Establish it in the run game So I you know, I don't think we've seen lads best But he but you're right. he doesn't have wide receiver one. After the bye week, which that's not a, that is a common marker when we look at rookie wide receivers, the bye week, guys can take off. Theirs was early, talking about the Chargers, they had a week five bye, but after the bye week,

the pace would have been 95 catches for almost 1,400 yards. Oh my little lad. I think that there is a lot of room. Who else were they throwing the football to? I mean that's the question for the offense is you're gonna have... They were throwing it at Cuge. You're gonna have a better running back situation potentially. I'll go lateral. You're definitely gonna have more wide receivers in the picture this year. You've vetted Mike Williams. And you got the draft. Yeah. They've worked a lot of guys out. That would be the... he could be somebody that I think moves a lot based on draft selections. He could. But if they

draft a prominent, you know, if they draft a day two wide receiver or above day one or day two wide receiver, Ladd will fall a little bit. Or a tier one tight end even, potentially. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. He'll fall a little bit, but I think that'll only help. Here's a wild, because we gotta close things out, we gotta get to 15. You can still talk about Ladd, but Ladd and Terry McLaurin are the final two names.

Terry McLaurin comes in at 15. Apparently I barely kept him there by ranking him the highest among the three of us. They almost have the same numbers. I mean, they both caught 82 passes lad and McLaurin. They both had 110 and 114 targets. They were very similar in the total yardage. Uh, lad was a little bit above double the touchdowns for McLaurin, but that is,

that is part of his arsenal, right? His average up to target is four yards better. So you're, you're kind of. Despite ending up with the same numbers on a lot of areas, there are different types of players in the offense. 13 touchdowns is a lot. I feel like there hasn't been a single moment this off season

where we're like giving Terry McLaurin credit for 13 touchdowns. We're giving him credit. It happened. It only works against him. I feel like if we went out here and Terry McClarn had 9 or 10 touchdowns, we'd be like, OK, he can come back and do that. But because it's 13, it's like, oh, let's just

throw that season away where you were one of the best players in the game, which we've always known by film. It's not throwing it away. It's just having, what, six, no, five seasons before that where your high in touchdowns was seven. What's his average touchdowns per year with Jaden Daniels? That would be- 13.

It's a clean 13.0. It's not even a decimal. Yeah. I don't think 13 is going to be there, but I think double digits is. And yeah, I wouldn't put him at double digits. You also added- Certainly not impossible. You also added Debo Samuel to the roster, sir.

They were desperately looking for a wide receiver, too. They're talking about pass catching running backs. Was that them? Yeah, that was them, which I felt was a little disrespectful. To Mr. Eckler? Yes. So that position will be upgraded and used a bit more. Well, it's, it's, is he gonna catch half of Daniel's?

The ADP reflects, I mean, he's not high. He's a third round pick. I think he's, I like it. Wide receiver 16, I'll take that. And he was the wide receiver five last year. So he comes in at 15 for us. 16's Evans, 17 DJ Moore, 18 Devae Adams, tied with number 18 Marvin Harrison Jr. and Garrett Wilson at 20.

To round that out, just giving you some more names. Oh, real quick, my last point that I wanted to make on Lad McConkey was. I'm sorry, your time has expired. I'm taking, I do not yield. Okay, I'm not listening, go on. Wide receivers who break out as a rookie, and so in their first year they finish as a top 24 guy,

statistically speaking by ADP, those are like the best bets in fantasy football. And we have three of them. But the other two guys, their ADPs are absolutely juice, because it's Malik neighbors and Brian Thomas. Like he lads the only one sitting right there in that sweet spot of I think that he can out produce a top 24. Is that what you said? Yeah.

If you finish as a top 24 as a rookie, Garrett Wilson says, watch Garrett Wilson, watch this. Garrett Wilson is one of the names that screwed it up. Uh, of the other names that we didn't mention real briefly, is there somebody that you can finish in the top 15 for me? I'll throw Marvin Harrison out there. I think that's definitely within the realm of possibilities. Marvin Harrison has double digit touchdown potential every year.

It should happen. It should happen. He should be top 15. I would throw Rushie Rice out there. I don't want to forget. I know there's suspensions. There's Xavier Worthy. There was a slight update.

But you're keeping it a secret. No, no, no, no. There was a slight update. I can't remember the fella's name. He does all the law stuff on Twitter. I'm sorry, man. I can't remember your name right now. But he was talking about the Rice situation and how the where the

case is being pushed and in his opinion. Davenport? Yes. Okay. Yeah Davenport was saying there it's not impossible that this thing gets pushed all the way again through this season and no suspension actually takes place. If I were to, this year, if I were to run into, let's say, a legal situation, how does one push it way off into the future? How might one? I think you start by being famous in the rich. Yeah, wealthy athlete. That's a great place to start. I'm going to have to play some sports. Yeah. Because I think my strategy would be do some bad stuff and then push it until after I die.

Oh, yes. Keep pushing the date. Loop hole. Loop hole, yeah. Get the court date. Just do that and just keep swiping credit cards. So he's just going to be a master crime machine. Well, it's not a crime machine.

He just didn't have time to pay it back. It's just delaying. Delaying. I guess I see a swipe in that credit card of, I can do it again. Yeah, I don't know. That's interesting. Mike, did you have a name you wanted to throw out real quick?

Oh. Maybe you already did and I didn't listen, because I had been tuning you out. It would be Chris Godwin. You know what? Chris Godwin? Wild numbers last year in his games. They were probably going to be the most ignored, stupidly ignored player this year. I'm just, I'm personally

waiting on the injury updates. Obviously he got a bag of money. That's my update. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good enough for me. I don't know if he's ready for camp, ready for week one. So as soon as that happens, like if he goes to training camp and he's just healthy there, then he should be, he was the wide receiver too on a points per game basis last year, he wasn't good, he was great. So Jason. He was, I was just gonna say he was better than

Brian Thomas yards after the catch. Like Godwin was. He was on an unbelievable tear. And before we close, Jason, I have to... Matt has called something out here. Oh no. Okay. Let's find out.

You were going on your tangent and swipe that card? Oh no. You've been doing a lot of credit card swiping lately? Old man? You're the one that said swipe. I repeated you, old man. You know what's funny? Did I say swipe tap that card? I didn't think you were talking about the language at all

I thought you were talking about the one person in the studio who actually stole from the company Man okay great story. No. No here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing this story Can we get a digital zoom this story is way we can way too good for the end of an episode. So stay tuned. We're putting this in the show docs. Our next episode. He's batting lead off and you're getting wrecked. You're getting wrecked. All right. We'll have a story for you. You're gonna have to wait till next week. You're showing up. You're not fired till after that episode. You understand me? Sure. Oh man. Next episode. Don't miss it. Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on Twitter at the FF Ballers.