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Episode Date: December 4, 2024

The playoffs are coming! Lots of tough Week 14 start/sit decisions on today’s fantasy football podcast. Plus, Hungry For More players, injury updates, and a preview of Packers vs Lions! Get advice for your fantasy football lineups for Week 14 and beyond! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for December 4th, 2024. (00:00) - Intro (02:10) - Hungry For More (02:30) - Browns Passing Offense (10:55) - Jaylen Waddle (12:40) - NFL News (25:35) - Thursday Night Breakdown (38:20) - Mailbag (38:30) - Kyler Murray or Bo Nix? (41:40) - Rico Dowdle or Breece Hall? (45:00) - Rico Dowdle or Isaac Guerendo? (46:20) - Starting Jameis Winston AND Steelers DST (47:50) - Deebo Samuel or Jaylen Waddle? (51:40) - Ethics of benching players Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Check out today's sponsors: Studio is brought to you by Amazon Prime Hungry For More presented by Uber Eats News & Notes presented by USAA. Visit https://USAA.com/Insuranc Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome into the podcast. It's the fantasy footballers podcast. If you're nasty, we nasty, but this is the time for nasty Mike. Oh yeah, it is. This is the time where you got to get, you got get get down that mucky muck tis the season of nasty make them playoffs back your way in grab those foul rebound players no one wants oh yeah beat the Goliath ahead of you win the championship that's the way I that's the way I like to do it as the underdog yeah is that because you are the underdog right now this year that's the way I like to do it as the underdog. Yeah, is that because you are the underdog right now

This year, that's the way I like to do it Next year though next year. I would much rather be the favorite welcome into the podcast everybody. I'm your host I'm your captain today Mike the fantasy hitman, right my best friend Jason Moore My best friend Jason Moore. What up? All right. And a bear. Oh yeah, Jay Grizz, aka Jay Riz, the cardboard bear extraordinaire.

He's in the house. Andy is off today, but that's all right, because we got hunger for more. We got news. We got the Thursday night preview. Maybe some mail bag. Who knows? I don't know what I'm gonna do.

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Let's go to the show. ["Hungry for More"] Welcome to Hungry for More, presented by Uber Eats. ["Hungry for More"] It's Hungry for more time where we talk about some players where maybe we've got a little bit of a little nibble Maybe we've got a bite maybe we've maybe we're actually just we overloaded with them and we're still hungry for more because This is America and that happens from time to time Jason. Who are you hungry for more because this is America. And that happens from time to time. Jason, who are you hungry for more of?

I am hungry for more of an entire passing attack. I mean, really, I'm hungry for more. You're starving. It's Jameis Winston. I'm hungry for more insane Jameis Winston play because I'm hungry for this Browns passing attack that has gone from virtual irrelevance. I mean you weren't playing anyone with Deshaun Watson.

Jerry Judy was not a startable player. I mean, Nijoku, okay, because he's a tight end, you could get away with it. But even Nijoku before and after has been so much better. If you look at the splits here, we're pretty much at the halfway point. You had seven weeks with Watson. It's been six weeks since then. Five games started with Jamis Winston. I mean, across the board. Across the board, you look at targets to every player.

Jerry Judy went from 5.9 to 9.8. Cedric Tillman was irrelevant, 2.4 in the games he's played. His career was irrelevant. He's at a, uh, N'Joku who was already at 7.3 targets a game with Watson. He's up at 9.9. 9.6 for Elijah Moore. Like everyone gets a car. You know what I mean? It's, you get a car, you get a car. And we were talking about this a couple weeks ago, because Jameis was doing this right off the bat. Last year we saw this, you know, with Joe Flacco. It's just insane that it's the same team. It's not like, you know, usually you go, we're

all trying to figure out what happened. We're all trying to find the guy that did this. What is the problem? There's, I mean, there's so many variables. At the beginning of last year and the beginning of this year for Cleveland, it just something felt different. Offense wasn't working. There's a change that happens at some point. Maybe we can figure out what the problem is. But a couple weeks ago, we were looking at the upcoming schedule for Jameis Winston.

And it's rough. It is as bad as it gets. It was literally 32nd of 32 teams when you look at the passing game for quarterbacks for wide receivers. You had a gauntlet coming up of Denver, Pittsburgh, Kansas City. I mean, that is awful, awful, awful. Last week was the first one of those. That was Denver. Right. He was the quarterback one. I mean, it's just like he don't care. And he threw two pick sixes. And those things are usually very helpful for fantasy football.

So this week goes to Pittsburgh, plays in a tough environment, a divisional matchup against the Steelers. I'm just hungry for it to keep going. You know, it's going to take fortitude if you actually wanted to start him. Yeah. Because two weeks ago he put up 13 fantasy points. You know, and the week prior to that it was 26. It was great. The week prior to that, 10. I mean, Jameis is literally a stick of dynamite. You don't know what you're gonna have, but in certain situations, like if you're the underdog backing your way

into the playoffs, you can do worse than taking a shot on this Cleveland Browns passing attack, hoping that Jerry, Judy, Elijah Moore, Tillman, Najoku, and Jameis can be those nasty mucky muck players that towards the playoffs end up winning people championships. Yeah, when you're choosing a streaming type of a quarterback,

I mean, a guy who could be the number one quarterback in a bad matchup, it seems like that's an okay decision to make. Like the risk is worth the reward. I just, the fans of Cleveland, like if you're a Cleveland Browns supporter and this is now multiple years in a row, look we, and we've said, Jamis is not necessarily the solution or the answer for a franchise. It's just, you now have back to back years of an offense being impossible to watch on television

because it makes you violently ill. A new quarterback comes in and all of the sudden, it's a dominant offense. You can't, you cannot convince me that if Jameis was the starter week one, that this brown steam is not 500 at worst right now. No, no, Jamis eats Ws. He's hungry for more Ws, if you remember. They would certainly have won more games. This, yeah, Jamis isn't the answer, but we know what the problem was.

We know what the issue is. And the crazy thing is it's not going away. It has to. I don't know that it's possible. I think the only way it's not going away. It has to. I don't know that it's possible. I think the only way it's possible for it to go away, financially speaking, is if a team that would be willing to take on, they would have to take on Deshaun Watson's contract with, like,

let's say the Browns get the number six pick in the draft. Would a team be willing to take on that contract to get the number six pick in the draft, would a team be willing to take on that contract to get that number six pick outright? And would the Cleveland Browns be willing to light a top 10 pick on fire just to get rid of Voldemort? I'm saying, even the scenario where he's still on the team, like if I'm the Cleveland Browns, my team doctor is like, I'm sorry man, I can't clear you.

I cannot clear you to come back to NFL duties. You're just, this thing, it's irreparable. Yeah, but then it's still the money. That's the issue. But you made your deal with the devil. You live with that now, but how can you go two years in a row of seeing what your team could have been with any type of competent quarterback play? Like Deshaun Watson, through six full games this year, did not

surpass 200 passing yards. Then they trade Amari Cooper. Jamis comes in essentially right after Amari Cooper is traded. Your number one, play with the back receivers, and Jamis is crushing. Your number one wide receivers. Play with the backups. And Jameis is crushing. At least production wise, keeping their offense on the field. I don't know how you find a way. You have to find a way to get him off the field.

It's not fair. It's not fair to every single other person in that building, every other coach, every fan who pays their hard earned money to come see this team, support this team, you can't do it. You only have two choices. You either find someone to pay the contract or you have to pay the contract.

And if you have to pay the contract, then you have to have the gonads to just say, you're our backup. You're our 100. No, you're the emergency third stringer. You're not even the backup. 100%. You're not active. That is a good call, because then there's

going to be all the issues when a starter struggles of, you've got this expensive quarterback behind him. Yes, you need to make him your third string. Go get Justin Fields in the offseason and have him be the starter for you next year. And often, you next year. And often you have players, like when Daniel Jones being benched, you had several players of the Giants come out upset.

Because for his strengths and weaknesses, Daniel Jones is the best quarterback on that team. But they had to make a financial decision, and all the players are mad. I think if you benchish Deshaun Watson, I don't think the players are gonna be mad. You know, it's funny, I've always. I think they will rejoice.

I've always thought about, like, being a teammate of Voldemort, and I know, you know, like when Voldemort got injured, due to too much black magic, you had Jameis come out and really defend him and speak up for him. So I know teammates, these guys are brothers in arms. They're warriors together.

But you know there's got to be some teammates. They want to win. Well, they want to win, but there's also teammates that don't want... I think the pass rush against Deshaun Watson gets a little extra excited. That's all I'm saying. Because I know... pin your ears back. Go get it. So the player I wanna mention,

it's one of my biggest whiffs of the year, but I'm hungry for more. It's Jalen Waddle. Because, again, this season has been wasted. Awful, awful pick. However, two of the past three games have been, or two of his three best games, I should say, took place in the past two weeks.

And it's have we figured something out here for the Miami Dolphins, weeks one through six? Again, six of those weeks were without two of them, but no yards after catch, averaging an 8.9 average depth of target. Like those are not, those are tight end type numbers. after catch, averaging an 8.9 average depth of target. Those are tight end, tight numbers. And then the past two weeks, 11. That's his average depth of target, 15.2 yards per target.

That's behind only Jerry Judy the past two weeks. A lot of it's being lifted up by one humongous game. But the past week was also, like I said, one of his top three games of the season. The upcoming schedule, the Jets, which the Jets' numbers are. They're not good anymore. Yeah, exactly.

Their numbers on paper still average out to be, they're like, oh, should I be worried about that matchup? I don't think so. Their defense seems to have packed it in. Then you get Houston and then San Francisco. That one's we'll see on that one. And then Cleveland in championship week. I don't know. I think that there is a chance that we can turn it around that Jaylen Waddle is at least a flex consideration who has weekly upside. We got to get this thing going here Miami, but 15.2 yards per target. It's encouraging for the past couple of weeks.

And gosh, I really hope that Waddle can turn it around. But that was Hungry for More presented by Uber Eats, where you can get the best deals on game day food all season long. Uber Eats, the official on demand delivery partner of the NFL. Order now. News and notes from around the league presented by USAA insurance. Ian Rappaport is reporting. The Chargers wide receiver Lad McConkey aka Ladidi McConkay. His status is up in the air for week 14. It's an AC joint injury and a knee injury.

Yeah, little bitty baby boy is banged up. However, this is such an important matchup. I mean, you're talking about playoff seeding, you're talking about division seeding. Yeah, playing the Chiefs on Sunday Night Football. Sunday Night Football, prime time football with a Chargers team that is in the hunt, they want to believe that they're a Super Bowl contender and if you want to prove that, beat the Chiefs. Beat

the one lost divisional opponent back to back Super Bowl champions. Obviously being a divisional opponent means every game is important but this one clearly, being prime time, being the Chiefs, being in division, is a very important game. So I think if if LaDidi is not broken, he will play. Are you willing to wait on Lad McConkey? Because it's Sunday night, so you would have to prepare yourself, like put him in the flex, have pick up, you know, the Dizzler, Will Dizzley, or pick up Josh Palmer. Is he? He has been that good where I, and honestly, the Dizzler is, can we make that happen? Well, it's Big Montana.

I know, but. I mean, he's got so many names. He deserves so many names, but I do think if Lad McConkey can't play in Sunday Night Football, if I've got Lad in my flex spot, if I knew Lad was out, Will Disley is a absolute flex option, streamable outside of tight end option. He'll have seven receptions in that game,

because Kansas City gives it up to the tight end and they will need him. You can also look at Brandon Cooks, who's on Monday. I mentioned him on the waivers. Should CD Lamb not be able to go on Monday night, Brandon Cooks is at least interesting. Yeah, I mean, even if Lamb can go, I think Brandon Cooks is not like a must start.

But in the case of an injury pivot, I think it's worth it. Because what you've seen from McConkie lately, and we know that usually rookie wide receivers, the second half of the year is even better. But you look at his fantasy finishes. I mean, he's been a top 36 wide receiver in basically every single week since week eight, including being the wide receiver two, the wide receiver 12, the wide receiver 23 and the wide receiver 10. So he is someone that needs to be started. I was talking with Andy during the games on Sunday. I am of just watching everything

and just trying to project, of course. I don't think Ladd is a top, he's not like a Jamar Chase CD lamp, but I think Ladd is gonna be a superstar. Yeah, I mean this was... Like a top 12 type of wide receiver. I think it's gonna happen. He's my, you know, one of my biggest regrets, because you know, on the My Guys episode,

we shared with our third My Guy, who like our close calls were. Ladd was going to be a My Guy. Yeah, you're a big... He ended up getting injured right before the season and I worried about that injury, because if I could have deleted Tank Del and had Ladd, I'd feel a lot better. But saying, I have shifted to, not that I was on the opposite side,

but I'm on your side. I see the path where Ladd is just everywhere. Well, look at Keenan Allen. Like Keenan Allen, I like that he is bigger and able to take the hits that I worry Lad cannot keep up with. But we saw Keenan be top 10 fantasy wide receiver over and over and over and over and over with Justin Herbert because if you've got a timing thrower with an exceptional route runner who's going to be in the right

place at the right time with great hands. And be wide open. I mean, it's just like what else do you want from any wide receivers? Is he open and will he catch it when I throw him the ball? Because those are both important things as seen by his teammate Quentin Johnston who can get open and just can't catch that ball. Uh oh, we're getting reports that Packers running back Josh Jacobs is dealing with a quote, nagging calf injury.

He is expected to play. We're going to go over to League of Record contender, producer Al Borland. How does that make you feel? He's going to be fine. Oh, yes. That's how confident I am. Oh my god, you can't script that.

I mean, that was literally voice cracking fear of God. Wow. Josh Jacobs, please be okay. I mean, the last time we saw a nagging calf injury that was, you know. Stop it, don't say it. Oh, that's right, that was Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, he just moved down and it turned into what?

Tendonitis? Yeah, Tendonitis. I will say this, the nagging part of this report was said in a good way, not a bad way. It was shared as in, he did not just get injured. The calf injury is not like, oh, he did something in this game where, where, you know, he tore, he pulled something in his calf and now they're worried about it and that's why he's missing practice. It was, this has been a nagging injury for the last several months. So it was shared in a way that's like, he's been playing through this. He's expected to play through this.

Saying that that verbiage is funny. It's like, oh, don't worry. He's been hurt for a real time. that verbiage is funny. He's like, oh, don't worry. He's been hurt for real. No, I get it. I get it. It's stupid. But I will say, I am hopeful that Jacobs is full go right now, unless he misses today's practice, which yesterday's practice would have been essentially the Wednesday practice, because they're playing on Thursday night

football. They're the early game that we're going to preview here in a minute. The vaunted, incredibly tough to run on Detroit Lions defense, I don't know if that's true for the next couple weeks with the injuries they have on their defensive line. You might actually have, like you might have been looking at this Josh Jacobs matchup and going,

I'm not excited about him in this game. You know, I gotta prepare for him to have a down game. I think he'll have an awesome game if he's fully healthy. It may move Emanuel Wilson up the list of backups. Like if you're stashing someone else's insurance running back and you're like, I can't sort through them, but Braylon, but Brailen, all these guys. The fact that the starter is currently dealing with an injury, maybe Wilson moves

up. Kyle, I feel even dumb bringing this name up because we've talked about him several times this year and it's always been irrelevant. But Kyle, will you look up the Marshawn Lloyd situation because I think he went on, he wasn't, I don't think it was the IR it was like the NFI list because it was appendicitis but I don't know if it has the same rules where he can't come back for four games so yeah Kyle can look that up because Marshawn Lloyd was healthy from his injury coming back was supposedly a big part of the game plan when he woke up and had appendicitis and had to have emergency apodectomy. So if he comes back and Josh Jacobs gets hurt, that might

be another backup to look at along with Wilson. Also that Chris Brooksville has been getting opportunities. Nope. New. Dude sucks. Commander's running back Austin Echler on Tuesday said he's still dealing with concussion symptoms. He still has three games left on the IR, but this man, it's such a big bummer because it's his second one. I looked at him talking about it. He, for justifiable reasons, I think he is concerned about it, which sucks because because this team can make a run, and Eckler would be a part of it,

and I would love to see Eckler do a playoff run. It would be fun. For sure, that would be awesome. He should be able to get back by the NFL playoffs, but for fantasy football purposes, you don't need to roster him. If you haven't done the math, they're on by this week. Then he has to miss three more games.

That's the championship. That's week 17. He's out week 17 guaranteed. So if he comes back, which right now symptoms being there is not a good sign of him coming back immediately. If he does, the earliest he can come back is when fantasy football is over. So drop him, move on, and hopefully he is good for the NFL playoffs because we love that dude and want him to have a fun time. Let's see, Breece Hall won't practice. Shut up. Dude.

Don't worry about it, man, don't worry about it. I already know, can I tell you the Breece Hall rest of season story? Sure, I'd love to hear it. Yeah, so our main two leagues, our main dynasty league and our league of record, both of those seasons have been inextricably tied to Breeze Hall. Like, a centerpiece of both franchises, which is why now I am in one, technically in the playoffs, in the other, just

outside of the playoffs, trying to get into both Breeze Hall will be the reason I do not make the playoffs But after that, oh baby, he's gonna go nuclear. So why don't you just play a different guy? I don't have other oh Mike. Oh how easy looks let me just throw Josh Jacobs in there. No, I don't have them I wasn't have him. I wasn't sure how convicted you are in this main character syndrome. Yeah, no, I'm very convicted, but the issue is, I mean, my other guy would be, I'm hopeful Alexander Madison's back or Kareem Hunt. I mean, look, it's tough in the streets. Nice. Former Jets running back, who

was recently cut, Izzy Abanacanda was claimed by the 49ers. They had to bring somebody else in but Jason. Abanacanda don't. Well, no. Unless you got buns, hon. Yeah. It's a fun, interesting pickup. If you've listened for the last year, two years, Izzy was never a super highly touted prospect that we were banging the drum for, but he did have certain traits that are great. He's 2'16", runs a 4'41", I think. So he's a fast, big-bodied back, which is great, and honestly fits the

system for the 49ers really, really well. This is, I think, a great pickup. The fact that right now he's number two on the depth chart. I do expect, so for now, Isaac Guarindo is the starter. Izzy is the backup on the- Someone has him in our Dino league? Oh yeah, I think he'll be rostered in most dynasty leagues because he looked like the backup for Bree Small. But he was the backup to the backup. He became the backup to the backup, but a lot of times those guys just aren't released

in season and dynasty leagues. You should go out and look and see if Izzy's there. At this point, he should be rostered. Now he's the backup. You have Patrick Taylor, who is on the practice squad, as well the 49ers signed one-time hopeful, good player, Keishon Vaughn. So they-

Yeah, they're bringing in all the hits. I mean, they're doing what we have to do in fantasy football at this time of year, which is playing in the Nasty Boys. But yeah, Izzy hopefully gets some run and he would be, I think, the guy, the next man up who would succeed should an injury happen to Isaac Garindo. Because I don't think, I think Patrick Taylor is more of like the special teams type of guy. He's on the practice squad right now. I expect

him to be elevated, but TBD. Right now, I mean, Isaac Garindo's got the work to himself. It appears. Yeah, you should check a DM I just sent to you, Jason, while I read this. That was today's News and Notes, presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at usaa.com slash insurance. Going to take a quick break, and we'll be back with the Thursday night preview.

and we'll be back with the Thursday Night Preview. I like what you DM'd me and that is all we will say. That's a message just for me and you and everyone to wish they knew what it was. You guys want to know? I'll bet you do. Never going to happen. I think Kyle figured it out well maybe maybe not we'll see well you'll never know it's our secret all right let's get into it Thursday night breakdown update Kyle definitely figured it out. Now, yeah, what we'll tell the people, our Dino Junior league, he is available. So, hopefully Kyle has the fab to get it done.

Green Bay, nine and three, taking on the Detroit Lions who are 11 and one. This is a game. Draft King Sportsbook line is Detroit minus three. The over under is a delicious 51 and 1 1 I don't know if you know this, 27 degrees and snow. Terrible weather. Oh, oh wait, they're in a dome! So we should have awesome football! Yeah. I realized something about America.

As I was watching the snow game from Sunday night, because look, team big dome over here, it doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching a snowball because it's fun. Snow games are awesome. I totally get it. But I look at it objectively, not from the fan who's like,

oh man, this once, you know, we get these so little here. It's enjoyable, it's different, it's unique. We're willing to just throw everything away for that one special little snow game. Mm-hmm. Like, players don't like it, okay? But number one, the players don't like it. James liked it. But I'm saying overall, when you get reports from players like playing at Lambo once

they're gone they're like oh that was the worst that's not it's so cold it sucks it also hurts their contracts because they play for incentives yes this is what I'm saying of like you work so hard and you have all these other games where it the variables are put into control because you're you're indoors there's nothing else that can affect it And then you're like yeah, but what about this one game? Like why is that that's that's a calorie half a game my actual point in bringing up the fact that there was snow There is actually to point out to all the snow people all the bad weather people that when you have this

Incredible Thursday night football game right you need to be disappointed in it. You need to be unhappy. If you're gonna stay intellectually honest and just ethically true to yourself, then make sure if this hits that over of 51 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 We could have had a snowball here, but they had a roof on it. You could have had 11 completions for 94 yards from Brock Purdy. You could have had that, but you might end up with some awesome football. And I just want you to know that there's snow outside that perfectly controlled environment that you are being robbed of. They played in week nine, talking about the Packers in Detroit.

Detroit won 24 to 14. That was the outdoor game. Detroit is a home machine, 35 points per game at home, number one in the NFL, 27 and 1 half red zone per plays. That's number one. So what are we expecting here? Jordan Love has a 6 and 1 half percent touchdown rate, which, I mean, that's still outrageous.

But I get the feeling, or I can agree with the feeling of Jordan Love, it hasn't been nearly as good as last year, but QB5 at Detroit last year, 268 and three. So how are you feeling about Jordan Love in this matchup? Maybe we get Dobbs back, Kyle, do we have any updates there? Because Romeo Dobbs has been limited on Monday and Tuesday. I've seen a very recent update

that he's trending in the right direction. And we should know today if he's active, tomorrow if he passes the concussion protocol. Right now he is still in protocol. The expectation of the most recent report is that he will clear. But that hasn't been done yet. We'll know later.

I think for the purpose of this outline, we should talk as if he is going to be active in this game. Okay. So if Romeo Dobbs is active, where is Jordan Love in your confidence meter? Jordan Love is exceptionally high in my confidence meter. In fact, I would put it so far as to say that my confidence is high on every single player on both sides of the ball. The Detroit Lions defense has been so good, and I know sometimes these divisional games,

they will surprise and they will hurt us. They will end up with just the, you know, even in a dome, a 13 to 10 defensive slugfest. But in order to really punch hard in that defensive slugfest game, you have to have defensive players. And the Detroit Lions defense that has been so great lost so many guys and they're all being labeled as week to week. Being a Thursday night game,

they're not gonna have these players. They are gonna be down, I mean from the start of the season they're down like something insane, like eight starters. But from even just a week and two weeks ago they're down three, four important defensive pieces. And I just want them to get healthy and stay off the field, because I love this. The Detroit Lions' incredible offense with a very hurt defense is a recipe for,

give me all the players in this game. I wanna start Jayden Reed. I wanna take a shot on Christian Watson. And I know that those are players who haven't been always great recently, but every now and then you have one of those games where you say, if the over-under was 60, can they hit it? And they can in this game.

That's obviously not a guarantee, but you've got two good teams, two good offenses. The best defense is currently very injured, and I expect a lot of points in this game. Christian Watson or my Hungry for More player, Jalen Waddle. is currently very injured and I expect a lot of points in this game. Christian Watson or my Hungry for More player Jalen Waddle? I would go Christian Watson there. You're hungry for more because you've been malnourished. Well Watson is... Oh yeah that is fair, that is fair, but the the potential for a big massive play,

I think is higher with Christian Watson. All right, and then a pretty popular start-sit question that we are getting. Jordan Love in this matchup, we know what he can do, or do you tail Jameis Winston, who will be playing a divisional rival to Pittsburgh Steelers? So we'll talk about Jameis Winston.

I think he's a good play this week, but not to that degree. If I have someone like Jordan Love in a matchup that I expect high potential in, Jameis can – I mean, Jameis can Jameis. Sure. And he is as likely to have 10 fantasy points as to have 35 fantasy points. And you can't say the same about Jordan Love. Jordan Love will, unless he gets injured in this game, he'll throw two touchdowns.

He'll have enough in this matchup to have a good fantasy output. Well, you have to weigh Jordan Love against Josh Jacobs here. Yes, he has the calf injury, but all reports are he should be just fine. And if you look at what he has been doing lately, I mean he is absolutely on a tear, especially since the bye week. 21 points, 28, 20. I mean he is, he's one of the top running backs at this moment. 23 opportunities, 27, 23. So it comes down to his involvements and while the Lions are number two against running backs in the past six weeks, you feel like you're not

concerned for Jacobs? I am not unconcerned, but I'm less concerned. So the injuries or the scheme, that's gonna be one of the big questions. And we'll get the answer here on Thursday because they're down a lot of players. And so is this scheme and the way that they play defensive football,

because this is three years running where the Detroit Lions defense, even when their defense was bad and is one you targeted in the passing game, you still could never run on them. So maybe it's not just personnel, maybe it's a matter of they are going to sell out to stop the run and force the ball to the throwing lanes, and that's great for fantasy.

I love that for Jordan Love. So I could still see Josh Jacobs having a difficult time, but he has been so good, and even when they played Detroit several weeks ago in week nine, they kind of got away from the run a little bit. He only had 13 carries, but he had 95 yards, which was surprising against the Lions. So Josh Jacobs isn't someone you can mention

under any circumstance, and I think he ends up being kind of, I would call it the running back 12 this week. Tucker Kraft saw seven targets against Miami. That was the second highest of the total for of the season. Caught six of them for 78 yards. The Lions defense against tight ends, they've been shutting it down over the past six weeks. Tight ends are putting up just over five points a game

against this defense. So is the injuries moving Kraft into there? Are you gonna you can yeah, I mean move away from him it's almost less the injuries than the over-under just the fact that you you expect a Handful of touchdowns to be thrown and Kate Otten or I would go Kate Otten I would go will this Lee over Tucker Kraft as okay. I think both of those players are in better situations But Tucker Kraft right now is my tight end 12. So he is startable, but the last one, essentially.

The Lions are fun and very easy to project, for the most part. Montgomery in, Amon Ra in, Jameer Gibbs in, Jameson Williams in is in. Okay. I just wanted to answer for you. He averages over 15 fantasy points per game at home. Yeah, with this over under, with how this game could go, it's not a perfect matchup.

The Packers, we haven't talked about their defense. On the city defense are eighth against wide receivers. Exactly, they've been pretty darn good. But I, you know, this is a player who has gotten it done and you don't wanna miss his big games. In order to get Jameson Williams big games, you have to have him in your lineup. And I realize you can end up with a dud,

you can end up with Houston dud. You can end up with, you know, Houston with 6.8 fantasy points in week 10, or you can end up in week 11 with 20 fantasy points. So when I want players in this matchup, when I want players on Thursday Night Football for more information before the weekend, I will be starting Jamison Williams. I think that I would tiebreak him over some other players that might be in the same tier. I mean, he's obviously not like a, you can't go away from him type of player, because, you know, what is he?

He's like a wide receiver two, three, Cusp usually. And then where is Laporta rank in here? Laporta's so dumb. Laporta, he is. Laporta's just. Part of the analysis that you come to the Fantasy Footballers for is stuff like this, Jason. We are red light, green light. Oh yeah.

Sam Laporta, tight end six, 34, nine, 29, three, 28. Uh oh. Uh-oh. Tight end 8. That means we're going to be in the 20s this week, except it is a very good matchup. That's the Packers have given up more in the passing game to the tight end than to wide receivers, respective of position.

And the high over under, I mean I guess the best question would be which one of these two tight ends in the game. Cause that's about where both these players are. They're kind of the low end startable options. I'd go Laporta over Kraft. Eileen Laporta over Kraft as well. But that's a tough call. Anything else on this game?

I don't think so. I think we covered pretty much every relevant player. All right quick break and then some mailbag. mailbag for me all right Boaz Clark wants to know who do I ride with rest of season you don't have to yeah that's a lock that in but let's just go through the thought process anyways Kyler or Bo Nix you have a wonderful combination of two players that fit together nicely in the schedule. They really do. You're going to roster both of these players. You're going to play Kyler for the next three weeks.

And if you get to the championship, you're going to switch over to Bo Nix. That's how I see it based on the schedule. So the next three weeks. Man, this week for sure. Because if you play Bo, you're going to get zero points. That's right. Like week 15, Kyler against New England

or Bo Nix against the Colts. Both are home game. Both are great. I'm still going to rely on the veteran over the rookie. Bo Nix has been great. Kyler at home against the Patriots, I think is just a really, really good matchup. And he's at home this week against Seattle.

If he has a good game, I mean, this'll partly be what tells the story, right? against Seattle. If he has a good game, I mean this will partly be what tells the story right? If he goes out and has a good game you're going to feel really confident to play him the following week. Yeah but that's classic Kyler Trapp. It does feel like, I mean here's the thing, we talk about like Kyler hasn't had three great games in a row for a long time and you're trying to rely on that for the next three weeks. in a row for a long time and you're trying to rely on that for the next three weeks. So it's New England at home,

and then he goes on the road to Carolina. So Kyler's set up for success on the playoff run. The whole, you know, has he done it three games in a row thing, that's, you know, it's kind of a silly statement because what is the matchups, what are the situations? You have to- It's your statement. You have to have the context there.

I am silly. But I do think, I mean, if you get to week 16, you've got Kyler against the Panthers, or you've got Bo Nix against the Chargers. In a divisional matchup, I feel like that's an easy Kyler. But then if you do make it to the championship, Bo Nix against Cincinnati, and Cincinnati is going to be a start. I'll tell you right now, he's a start of the week in that championship

week. Whatever they're doing there with Cortland Sutton is wild. Because if you watched the Monday night game, it was the full on Justin Jefferson of Bo Nix buys a little time, heaves the ball down field, and there's a guy who's just no defenders around him, which we're used to that with Jefferson. I'm not used to that with Cortland Sutton. Cortland Sutton's been awesome.

At 29 years old with a rookie quarterback, he's the wide receiver six on the course of the season, and really the first month for the Broncos as a whole, but for Bo Nicks, for Cortland Sutton, it was growing learning pains that looked like, I mean, if you stopped the season after the first month of football, you know, where the Broncos are 2-2, they're not scoring much, you know, week 4 they scored 10 points, week 2 they scored 6 points. Week two they scored six points. This was not a good offense.

You would never have expected them to pump up their offensive output like they have. Right. All right, let's put your main character, Breece Hall, take to put it to the test here, Jason. This is a popular question coming in and this one just happens to come from a feller named Josh Smith. Rico Dowdle or Breece Hall? No that's I mean it's Breece Hall. Is it? Yes it really is. Is it? Yes it really is.

Is it? Breece Hall is a better play than Rico Dowdle. He is playing the Miami Dolphins. That's how about Breeze Hall and Rico Dowdle. Rico Suave will be playing against the Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah, I mean, well this was a rest of season question. I know, or even, it says, or even just this week. So let's go, we'll go one step at a time. This week. This week I would choose Breeze.

Breeze. This week I would choose Breeze. Breeze, and I will fully admit that it is a legitimate decision that you can't just take the name of Breeze and not look deeper. Rico just got 19 carries, followed up with 22 carries. The Cincinnati Bengals are a middle of the pack defense against running backs. And can give us shootout games. Yes. That's where it's more appealing to me because I I have a hard time with this question and I'm the Rico Dowdle truther of the show. I mean last week it cost me where I had like I had Ken Walker,

because hey look, it's Ken Bone. Of course I'm gonna play him, and I'm like, I know I should play Rico. I feel it in my bones that I need to play Rico in this particular matchup against the Giants. I chose the name, and it was painful. Obviously that's a one week sample size, but it's to the point of, we're at this stage of the season

where you gotta start making some really hard decisions. Yeah. So some character building, deep look inside. No, I get it. Breeze last week was terrible. The previous game we saw him was the running back three. The matchup against Miami is, I think it's actually pretty identical.

Cincinnati and Miami, they are mid-level defenses, rush defenses, they are capable of providing a shootout. Both of these offenses, the Cowboys and the Jets, are, you're not sure how many touchdown opportunities there will be. At least with Rico Dowdle, it seems that there is less of a worry of a committee. They've kind of committed to him.

I mean, yeah, I mean, it's really, really parallel situations here. So if you wanna go Dowdling, you go Dowdeling. I don't blame you at all. But rest of season, Breeze does have the best schedule left for running backs. He just goes Miami, you know, middle of the pack. Jacksonville, great matchup. The Rams, middle of the pack.

Buffalo, great matchup for running backs on the ground. And then Miami, if you play in the final week of the season. Whereas, season, whereas you've got, at least in Championship Week for Dowdell, you've got the Philadelphia Eagles, which I would never play him against. This week I get it, Fabrice. Next week will be a tough decision with the Dallas Cowboys playing the Carolina Panthers. Next question. Follow up here, I see it from IG from Registat. Rico or Isaac Gurindo this week?

What is the? Because he's going to be, if you end up picking up Gurindo, you paid a lot for him. You're excited. Chicago is the match up, which Chicago's great pass defense. They're not that good of a rush defense. I would say middle of the pack, similar the other matchups. We've been talking about So who would you start between those two Rico Daddle or waiver super? Oh, that's impossible

That is so impossible I Think I'd probably go Garendo. I See I think I go I think I go Rico. I was just avoid the risk. I was just writing down I think I'm probably go Garendo. I see, I think I go Rico. Just avoid the risk. I was just writing down, I think I'm gonna go Brice, Rico, Garendo. Where the confidence for Garendo for me is because, look, we just, we're celebrating and talking about, they added a bannacanda.

Like there's no one else on this roster who can spell Garendo at this point. It's I mean it's our it's a hard name to spell Jason. Yeah it really is. It starts with G but then it ends with O and somewhere in between I don't know what's going on in there. We got a question here from Kevin Casey can I start Jamus and the Steelers defense? Because normally you don't want to normally you don't want to play? You don't want to play your defense against the quarterback because it's a negative correlation

Jamis is an outlier and you absolutely can not that Not that everything's gonna happen the same every week Obviously last week if you played the Denver Broncos who got torched by Jamis gave up over And the Denver Broncos, who got torched by Jameis, gave up over 500 yards and tons of points. You were thrilled, because you also had two pick sixes. And that's not prescriptive of a forever situation. However, this isn't one time. This isn't like, oh, Jameis just did that once.

We had years, years of Jameis being able to, I mean, honestly, his superpower for fantasy is usually the- The 30-30 year? Yes, the 30-30 year. It's his interceptions. It's the fact that he has to keep throwing the ball. It's just, it's pretty ironic to me

that the pick sixes in the Denver Broncos game came late. You know, it was like, usually his pick sixes are what causes him to have to be on the field and throw a lot. I prefer my pick sixes early in the game. Yeah, I mean, we keep bringing up the two. It was, one was really bad. The second one was like, we got it, we have to go score.

Yeah, yeah, he was forced into that situation. We got some Jalen Waddle questions. Funny enough here. We'll start with this first one. From B. Bariri. Debo Samuel or Jalen Waddle. Oh, man. Debo gets Chicago. You just mentioned to Jay that they

have a strong secondary. They're good at shutting down wide receivers. Debo has been tremendous at shutting himself down this season. Holy crap, it's been bad. You didn't realize, did you, how bad? I knew it surprises me just every time I open up his player profile, though, because he's 38 for 531 yards. In the last three weeks.

In 12 games. In three games in a row. 11. One of them, he went out right away. Yeah, but he played the full game in the in three games 11 one of them. He went out right away Yeah But the last he played the full game in the last three games and if you were to give dude all of the fantasy points From each of those three games and you put them together He does not hit the single game Jalen Warren mark of 10 fantasy points. I mean he's been abysmal and while I

can't Understand how it just keeps happening, you have to be concerned. And we brought this up, I think, two weeks ago. I went back and I watched the Debo film because I was like, what's going on? And there were plays that were just the same old Debo play. The design was identical to how it always is. Just a handoff up

the side, blockers out in front. He's just got to break the first tackle like he always does and this is gonna be a big play. He didn't break that first tackle. He just got tackled behind the line of scrimmage, solo, one-on-one. It just didn't look that good. So I'm starting to worry it's a little bit more him than we want You know, he's almost 29 years old. He plays a running back style of football Not that he can't have a big game, but I worry about him. I would much rather start Juwan Jennings over him Yeah, and I think at this point I'm for that

I'm gonna take the targets from waddle and I need to make sure Debo's as low in my rankings as he deserves to be right now. All right, how about And I need to make sure Debo's as low in my rankings as he deserves to be right now. All right, how about Jalen Waddle or Garrett Wilson? I would go Garrett Wilson. I know it's been very, very bad three games in a row for Garrett Wilson. The targets have been there. Aaron Rodgers has been playing for- Six, eight, and 10 in the last three games.

I'll still take those. We have to always remember, we'd say this a lot, but it's hard in the moment to really heed the advice we try to remember, which is that wide receivers are inconsistent. On the course of the season, they will all have their bad games, and when they come in stretches three games in a row, it feels like it means it's forever. Now in Debo's situation, it's not three games in a row. It's like basically all but three games in a row. It's like basically all but two games since week two. So this is pretty much the season. With Garrett Wilson,

before the three game bad stretch there was a three game good stretch. So I'm going to go Wilson there. All right. Matthew Hernandez says, Joanne Jennings or MVS rest of season. Jennings. That is Joanne Jennings for me. Yeah, I have moved to a place where I think MVS is an okay. Is playable. Is an okay starter, yeah, I mean he's playable. He's gonna get a couple deep shot bombs.

But I'm still at the place where Joann Jennings is pretty close to must start. He is for me too. It's a tough matchup. We brought that up the Bears Stevenson is hopefully Splitting duty with Debo and not just you know shadowing Joanne Jennings

So I worry this week on the matchup, but I I believe Joanne Jennings is gonna be the wide receiver one for You know the Shanahan offense that will still score a lot of points. I mean, they're not gonna always play in the snow against the Bills. And we'll get out of here on this one. People love to ask this question. That man, DeVecchi, is it morally right to bench your players in week 14

to keep another team out of the playoffs. It is 100% not morally right. It is not ethically sound. You need to play your roster. Okay, well take morals out. Then what's the question? Is it okay? Is it, should you do it? I don't think you should do it because there is league integrity for all players and all managers who are in the league. Yeah, but you're looking out for number one. Oh, I get that, but you can't just look out for number one

and do anything you want. I mean, it would be looking out for number one to just log into someone's account and drop that guy. Well, but you have to steal passwords and stuff for that. Well, but where's the line is my point. My line- You're controlling what you can control. That's an easy line for me.

My line is that you can't bench, you just can't bench players and not have a active lineup. Like you have to have starters in your starting roster. That should be standard for all leagues. For all leagues, you have to feel the starting roster. Okay. What if you log in? This is a hypothetical situation. What happens if you log in last week and you see your opponent has put Brock Bowers on the bench. Oh man. And started someone like, Gasicki? Yeah, yeah, something like that. Someone does that. Is it then appropriate

to take your good players out, because we are clearly talking about a a race to the bottom here. Right. Two teams trying to... The last place versus the second to last place. Yeah, what is the appropriate response then? The appropriate response. No, no, no, take it back. What would you do? What would I do?

I would bring it to the attention of the league and make sure that that does not happen. Because the league should say. It's too late. I know it's too late. You know what I'm saying. It's too late. You notice on Saturday, game is done.

Game is done? Yeah. Oh man. What do you do? At that point, it's a fair fight to put in my crap players. At that point, if you've already done it, and I'm scoring less than... I'm getting less against me than I should, you're going to eat some nasty boys. And I know this is not a hypothetical. Yeah, this may or may not have happened in a league that we are in. Yeah. Not us, because our team is great. Oh man, it's good. We... Do you think, just

asking, is it possible that our shared team in Dino Junior, Mike, can win a fourth championship? This year? This year. 100%. But that would be four of the last five. Yeah, that is unprecedented. That's just unfair. Has that ever happened in dynasty football?

Probably not. Probably will though. I cannot wait. Thank you ladies and gentlemen. That's gonna do it for today's show. Join thefoot.com if you wanna get all of our premium tools like the Ultimate Dashboard where we help you out to make the best decision that you possibly can.

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