Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Keep/Trade/Cut + Broadway on Grass! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 6/6

Episode Date: June 6, 2024

Keep Trade Cut decisions on today’s fantasy football podcast! Andy, Mike, and Jason compare players being picked in the same round of fantasy football mock drafts. Who would you keep between Drake London, Brandon Aiyuk, and Davante Adams? Plus, NFL News, a few mailbag questions answered, and more keep/trade/cut scenarios for the 2024 season! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for June 6th, 2024. 2024 ULTIMATE DRAFT KIT is available now at UltimateDraftKit.com Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. Thursday, June 6th. The fantasy footballers, Jason Moore, Mike Wright, Andy Holloway. For whatever reason, Jason has been trying to get a trade done in our Dynasty League for, I guess, the better part of the day. I did a trade yesterday. Since dynasty league for i guess the better part of the day i did a trade yesterday since that point he's been jealous and um you wait till the intro of the show is hit to get the deal done well i was that was not under my control uh that was so you weren't the one that hit the button i wasn't the one who hit except uh i was working it before the show early this

morning all the way up through sitting here texting and all that but he hit accept right when the music was playing this is a bold trade it's a blockbuster trade he sent jordan addison a 2025 first rounder a 2026 first rounder and got back chris olave yeah addison is going to be probably a slow start for the next two years as he's got McCarthy coming into his own. He's the number two for his team with a rookie quarterback this year. I'm in championship mode. My team is very good, and I've been a little looking at your guys' roster.

Mike, last year you made a bold trade very it reminds me of this yeah where you sent two firsts and I believe another it was Pittman well yeah there was a few players but Pittman and at that time Quentin Johnston who had not yet failed he had not ruined people's uh years but yeah like Michael Pittman a couple firsts and you went and got CeeDee Lamb right Right. CeeDee Lamb leveled up, became the alpha we all hoped he would become. Yep. And you won the championship. And then yesterday, Mr. Holloway made a trade.

Yeah, I did what I always do. I got a couple old people to come and play on the roster. Amari Cooper and Ramondre. Yeah, you got rid of your future picks for those. Oh, I don't like picks. No, you do not. I don't like picks. And so, yeah, today I made that move because this helps my second

flex, and now I'm feeling pretty good. I just hope Olave takes that step. I don't think he's the one you've got to worry about. What do they call it? Are you thinking I should be worried about Addison exploding? No. No, Derek Carr.

Oh, well, sure. That dude stinks. That is obviously the hardship. I wish he had Dak Prescott or better. But, you know, sometimes you've got to slightly overpay to just get a deal done. And I don't know if this is overpaying or not. These are future picks. So it's fun.

Geopolitically speaking, is this like an arms race that's going on 100 this is not like i if you guys aren't doing these things i'm not doing this thing i'm just like okay my team's already good yeah i'm staying calm there have been many times in fantasy where that has happened like even in our league of record where i make a trade and i win the trade in my mind and in reality maybe but because because of that trade, you make a trade. Yes. So I have to think of the net result of your team getting better. You are my great motivator, Andy Holloway. Yeah.

All right. Well, that one will be interesting to look back on over the next couple of years. Mike, what was your reaction? Did you think Jason – To the trade? I mean, it's – Like, I –

My feelings on Olave, it's – Like – I – It – My feelings on Olave, it's just – It's so difficult. I mean, it's similar to Garrett Wilson. It's very similar. Of when I watch this player – Like, I think Garrett Wilson's a better player than Chris Olave after last year. But it's like watching Olave, it should work.

Like, this guy has all the traits that I'm looking for of a true number one wide receiver give him good targets he should dominate and yet it was not close to domination last year and for me saying Derek Carr stinks Derek Carr is much better than what Garrett Wilson was playing with that quarterback last year so it's last year was it's just it was so disheartening but this is what you I don't I don't hate the move it's a gamble it's a risk for sure because because there is a world where Jordan Addison this year with J.J. McCarthy or even with Sam Darnold a combo Jordan Addison could just flat out end up being better than Chris Olave like it to me it could with J.J. McCarthy or even with Sam Darnold a combo, Jordan Addison could just flat out end up being better than Chris Olave.

To me, it could happen. It's not only for Jack. That would shock me. It wouldn't shock me because Jordan Addison had a fantastic year. It definitely would shock Jason. Yeah. Quick question of the day. It better shock you if you're making that trade. If you're like, yeah, I can see that.

Then you shouldn't automate that trade. Uh, Fred and Charlotte wrote in a quick question for us. How is your ADP, which is average draft position compiled? Are there different ADPs for different sources such as ESPN sleeper, Yahoo, where, uh, what do you use for your rankings? Uh, so, you know, you can go and look at the Ultimate Draft Kit. You can see ADP reference throughout, Mike. Sure.

You want to answer this one? Yeah, so ADP, average draft position. We don't gather that. That's gathered by the platforms as players are doing their mock drafts. It's moving players around in their algorithms and all of those things so and they all have their own we primarily use sleeper as our platform that we play on so that's the adp that we reference the most but all of them have valid adps and perhaps a an overlooked tool if you have the ultimate draft kit and you just haven't happened to seen it funny enough uh i stumbled upon it over the office he was like oh yeah i totally forgot we had this

uh it's a full platform comparison where it shows you sleeper espn yahoo and right now the the underdog adp lets you kind of see hey hey, I really like this player, and if I'm playing on Yahoo, ADP-wise, it looks like I can get a discount or this player is being overdrafted, et cetera. But the value of ADP, it's actually pretty valuable. The fantasy football players were getting smarter, were getting better at projecting who's going to be a good player. And it's like the correlation of an early round pick to a smashing success that is extremely high.

And it really just slowly, the correlation of ADP players being the better picks, it just slowly goes down until, goes down until pick 60 or so. It seems to be right after that is where the ADP, because these are unknown for the most player, for the most, they are unknown players. And that's where the ADP can't really tell you who's going to be good. And that's why we say in the early rounds, don't overdraft players just because you want them. Make sure you're paying attention to the ADP. That's what everyone sees is the list right in front of you as you're drafting. And no matter how hardened or seasoned of a fantasy football veteran you are, the ADP list can still get in your brain of like this player should have been drafted by now. So for the most part, ADP is a very good guide. You're just kind of weighing which of those early players you prefer

over the other ones, and then after pick 60 or so, just start swinging for the fences a little bit. Of course, not crazy with ADP, but that's where you're going for the real upside of unknown players. We recommend tier-based drafting where we subdivide players into separate buckets or tiers where you can make a decision to maybe pass on somebody that is in the same tier when there's a number of players left in that bucket and take maybe one of the remaining ones around later.

It's a good way to go about that thought process with relation to ADP. Yeah, and you don't get fixated on one player name, and then that player goes, well, my plan is destroyed. It's, no, I knew four names who I just want one of those guys. Oh, Mike. Oh, nice try. What? Here's what's going to really happen. You're going to say, no, I want one of those four guys,

and it's going to be all four of them that go. And that last one will be the guy picked right before you. You know how that works. That's how it works. That does happen. That's how it works every draft. Why do we do this? And yes, in the mock draft on Tuesday, later on,

there's a player like Calvin Ridley. His ADP does not reflect anything remotely close to where I think his true value is. He's probably 10, 12, 13 players behind where I think he should be. And gambling at that stage, making the call on the player that you want, realizing that more players are going to make their, maybe more judgment calls at that point in time. Like you said, I'm fine taking players way ahead of ADP at that point. Yeah, absolutely. And we keep it updated.

That tool is very valuable, so navigate over there to the ADP platform comparison tool, which will get filled in more and more as the season goes on. And, yeah, I think that's a good answer to the question news and notes from around the league well the 49ers have signed christian mccaffrey to a two-year extension averaging 19 million per season. Okay. Wow. That's a lot for a running back. There is only one Chris McCaffrey. What about a running back and a wide receiver combined

in one superhuman? That's a pretty good deal. Yeah, it seems like it. I don't think that's a – I mean, that's totally fair. And this was a reward. He's the offensive player of the year. There's only been like five of those in franchise history for the 49ers. It's wild, a player at his age,

but there are Hall of Fame outliers from time to time, and that's what he is. He's so important to the offense. Now, when this move happened, Mike, well, one, I was happy as a dynasty manager, Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, I get that. But you had an immediate reaction which you said something like Debo is toast yeah which could be Debo could be IU like the basically a huge financial investment on both of those wide receivers won't happen

when you're spending so much money on Christian McCaffrey. So one of those two after this year. That's the way it's trending. And this is just pick which wide receiver you prefer. I mean, like, I think Brandon Ayuk will be the one who gets the contract from the extension from the San Francisco 49ers. Younger player. Debo's always banged up, great player,

but you have to, like, financially you do have to make some hard decisions. And, yeah, there are teams like the Dolphins and the Eagles who are, you know, a huge amount of their salary cap is committed to two wide receivers. But the 49ers have a huge amount of money considered or lied... What am I trying to say? Committed. Committed, thank you, to Christian McCaffrey.

He counts as one of their elite players. I think they can go through this year and then revisit it, but it's going to be really fun to watch. It's tough, man. I think that you can replace Ayuk a lot easier than debo in this offense that's the only side that leads me to think that you know shanahan would want the

versatility of debo over iuk but we will find out nick chubb spoke for the first also like he's 28 yeah no it makes a big difference so heading being 29 heading into next year i think that should factor into the decision as well. And whether IU continues to have an outlier 18 plus a catch season. Nick Chubb spoke for the first time since his season ending knee injury. Whoa, that's crazy. No, he's spoken to other people before. Okay, all right, because that would have been insane.

I'm not talking for months. We thought it was just his knee, but his voice, it was stolen. For those at home that haven't watched the last five minutes of this show, I'm pretty sure four minutes and 45 seconds of it was Jason coughing profusely. What happened? He inhaled some water. I inhaled water. I got it in the wrong pipe, and so I was dying over here.

He's not said a thing. He's like Nick Chubb. He said, yeah. Exactly. And his first entry back into the world was, that's amazing. It was awesome. Swished. Chubb said

he doesn't have a timeline for his return to the field. I don't. I mean mean this is not um it's disappointing if you expected nick chubb to come out and say like i'm gonna be ready to go i guess you could have been optimistic about that i wasn't planning that i wasn't planning on that either but players often are the most optimistic about their like these are elite humans who are used to elite things happening to their body so for him to like this it's not pessimistic but it's not overly optimistic which kind of says some things to me as well yeah speaking of adp jerome ford right now is the

134th player drafted, and he projects right now to basically be a starting running back. I think so. Deontay Foreman, to me – You think he's going to come in and usurp? Jerome Ford's going to have the leg up because he's on the team. They've already seen what he can do, and he played admirably in the replacement of Nick Chubb. RB 17 last year, all things included.

Deontay Foreman's done. He's a bizarre player because he's now on his third team in three years. Those previous two teams, whenever he was on the field, you're like, that's a good player, but no teams want to keep them around and last year wasn't as uh spectacular as the year before when we were impressed like he was 4.5 a carry in 2022 went on that run we were kind of like okay oh foreman had last year he was 3.9 he didn't play for reasons beyond the beyond his injury there. There's off the field stuff. I think you had to bring somebody in

to be insurance. You're very in on Jerome Ford? I'm very in on him relative to Deontay Foreman. That's interesting then. Jerome Ford has the RB42 right now over on Sleeper. The price is going to

change with the Nick chubb news closer to camp when he's not active is my thought yeah yeah it will go up but you know if you're doing best ball drafts or something right now he's still a bargain very undervalued because this bargain in trades too in dynasty this injury to nick chubb when it happened was like is this the last time we'll ever see him play again so So now it does not appear that's the case. They've restructured his contract. They're letting him come back where he can still make the money if he has the performance. But for the most part, he's taking a pay cut.

He's not going anywhere. He's going to come back to the field. But that level of injury is not one where, you know, like, where do you drive Nick Chubb this year? I think that's a really interesting question. For me, he's basically almost off my board because it's not a matter of what week is he active for. It's who is he when he's there. Yeah, it'll be interesting. If you go from the time when Chubb left last year,

which he went out in week two. I'll throw week two out, even though it was good for Jerome Ford. It was the receptions that made a big difference, too. He caught 46 passes. He was pedestrian, pretty pedestrian, but had a lot of just barely double-digit performances. We also didn't have a quarterback. Right. There's not a lot of templating you can do right now with Cleveland.

No, it's difficult. Without Chubb, with Watson, with Judy. We talk about Najoku and his numbers with Watson. They're small sample. Coopers with Watson, small sample. We want to know. We know that they just extended their head coach and their general manager. We know that they battled their way to what what, 10-7 in a playoff spot

despite having four quarterbacks. So I do think that there's some fundamental competency that's going to come out of that club this year. It's just hard to hone in on one guy. Jason, I got some bad news. Oh, no. Dealing with a minor shoulder injury because of the weight room chris olave no for real is this like no it just happened 1207 yeah i mean it's it's uh he injured his shoulder in the weight room a few weeks ago

oh it's just now being reported lingering is this still going on is he i don't know multi-week injured shoulder i don't know. Multi-weak injured shoulder? I don't know. I'll give you a first for him, though. I'll take the risk on. I'll be your friend. All right. Well, heal up, Chris Olavi. I paid a premium. I had the same thing happen to me when I traded for Kyron, and then like two seconds later, it doesn't feel good,

even if it's not a big deal. Quick follow-up to Nick Chubb. I wasn't sure, so I didn't bring it up. Two seconds later, it doesn't feel good, even if it's not a big deal. Quick follow-up to Nick Chubb. I wasn't sure, so I didn't bring it up. But Nick Chubb, back in the college days, had a catastrophic knee injury. Horrific. A knee injury where you're like, well, this kid is done. He won't have a college career.

He won't have a pro career. Managed to come back, and it was the same knee. Yeah. managed to come back and it was the same knee yeah so this is this was a already repaired knee that then got shredded up again and there's a big difference between being a college aged kid going through that when your body heals a lot nicer than being an older gentleman at 28 years old we saw this with um jamal charles. Jamal Charles had an early career knee injury where he came back the next year and was awesome. He's one of the, you know, him and AP are that like first year back from ACL? No problem.

Later in his career, I don't know if it was the same knee or not, but that one took a toll on him. In the UDK injury report, Betts mentioned that there are a lot of implications for his life after football and the risk of developing arthritis is very high based on this injury. Belief in Deontay Foreman regardless, the fact that they really didn't do anything to address the running back room is... That's why I'm holding my judgment on these comments from Nick Chubb in June.

Like, he probably is not in a position where he should speak about a timeline. But I'm saying, for the Cleveland Browns, just the overall risk as a team, like if you're going to be betting on Nick Chubb at all, which they were a credit to the franchise. They could have just said, not our problem anymore. Good luck, Nicholas. Hope you find somewhere that will help you pay for your rehab. They fixed his contract so that he could stay with the teams,

get all the perks of being an NFL player. But to have the running back room that they have and have any kind of bet on Nick Chubb without doing something else is strange to me. He did. It's Jerome, it's Deontay Foreman. Pierre Strong Jr. is still there. I mean, and they, like, Kareem Hunt is gone.

Naeem Hines. Naeem Hines is still, it's strange. I want to give more, I don't want to just do the pull quote. Like, he also made the same, in the same conversation, he said he likes where he's at. He said, I'm where I to give more. I don't want to just do the pull quote. He also made the same, in the same conversation, he said he likes where he's at. He said, I'm where I need to be. Where was he located? Was he at home or was he at the facility?

I think I liked you better when you were choking. Let's take a break. Come back with Keep Trade Cut. Keep Trade Cut. All right, let's jump in, boys. Keep trade cut decisions for 2024. We're looking at redraft dilemmas. We'll start this first one. We'll call it the second round wide receiver riddle.

All three of these players are going back to back to back in the middle of the third round, according to the Sleeper ADP as of today. That would be Drake London at 206, Devontae Adams at 207, and Brandon Ayuk at 208. These are very different players. You had a big season from Ayuk. You had a great finish but a disappointing year from Devontae Adams, but you have the pedigree and the history.

And then you have Drake London, who a lot of people are imbuing future fantasy value to because of the change of the offensive coordinator position, quarterback. This is not a close one for me. So my keep is very much Devontae Adams in this situation. This is not a close one to me either. It is very much Drake London in this situation. Mike?

My rankings and projections would have it be Devontae Adams. But, man, with his age combined with the amount of seasons that he has played and the quarterback situation, if it's Gardner, okay. But Devontae Adams freaks me out. But he's still probably my keep of the three. If it's not Devontae Adams, then it would be Brandon Ayuk for me. Really? So you're lowest on Drake London.

So obviously when Kirk Cousins signed, there was a lot of hullabaloo. I think Drake London probably the pendulum got swung maybe even too high on Drake London, and he's going to be the next greatest thing ever. That being said, when I statted guys out, he ended up in my top ten at wide receiver. Drake London has shown everything that you really want to see on the field. His stats haven't been that different than Garrett Wilson. Obviously, much fewer total targets than Garrett Wilson,

but he's done almost as much with them. He hasn't ever looked like he doesn't belong, but he's had a quarterback that couldn't get him the ball. And now you go to Kirk Cousins, who obviously we know can support a star-wide receiver. So when I look at these three guys, I go, well, Drake London is, you know, the target market share for these three players. Devontae Adams and Drake London, they've got it on lockdown. We don't know about Ayuk.

Ayuk, you know, is going to be on a low-passing volume team. He was hyper-efficient last year. Yeah, he was hyper-efficient. He's going to catch 75 passes. Right. And that like so he's he's the clear out to me between these two guys is Drake London and Devontae Adams but I would rather take the one who has a quarterback upgrade versus a quarterback downgrade who is young coming into his prime versus old going to age out at some point so it's clear for my personal preference it's drake london for sure if i'm on the clock with these three guys as the top and the adp uh left on the board i would trade

devante adams because i i do think that there are plenty of people that believe he's just going to keep you know wash rinse repeating what he's done for feels like like forever, and then I would cut Brandon Aitken. Yeah. I mean, Adams was 103 for 1,100 last year with the quarterback troubles. I mean, we saw Pittman have a lot of success with Gardner Minshew. You know he's going to get the targets. Like you said, he got it on lockdown. So we just have a difference of opinion on – because it's such a high investment, I feel like the risk is higher with Drake London. The risk is certainly higher with Drake London.

And so depending on your roster, your first pick, are you taking a chance with that first pick? You know, it's nice to want the target share for Drake London. The risk is certainly higher with Drake London. And so depending on your roster, your first pick, are you taking a chance with that first pick? You know, it's nice to want the target share for Drake London. My fear is it's like, you know, you do have other players there that you're going to see touch the football a lot. You know, Bijan Robinson coming out with all this conversation of his McCaffrey usage and, you know,

it was a request from Kirk Cousins to bring in Darnell Mooney and Kyle Pitts and the, you and the pub he gets. I don't think it's necessary for Drake London to be a hyper-targeted, high-volume guy for them to succeed, but I do feel like that can't happen, that Las Vegas can't succeed without Adams doing that. So it's a difference of the way you want to build your roster. The question for Drake London is not the necessity in the offense,

which it's going to be a better offense. This will be a more Rams-esque type of an offense. It's is he so good that he demands that the offense runs through him? Like, that's how you – that's the difference between elite players. There's going to be other good players, but are they so overwhelmingly better than everybody that you have no choice but to throw it to him? And then I – Brandon, you real quick.

I'm with you, Jay. I'm actually – I'm going to trade – no, I'm not with you. I'm going to trade Drake London because I think that people are more interested in him. But for Brandon Ayuk, last year was outlandish in terms of efficiency, catching 71% of his targets, having nearly 18 yards a catch. I don't expect it to be like that, but he's an interesting player to me because as a rookie, 12.9 points per game in 12 games. 12.9 is fantastic. Last year, he was 13.2 and finished as the wide receiver 14, but the year before that, he was at 11.1 yards per game.

He's really had one down year, and that was his second year in the league for those who weren't around in 2020. Did you mean points per game? Yeah. Did I say something different? It just seemed like 11.1 yards per game would be too low. Yeah, no, no. It would.

Points per game. His sophomore year, if you weren't around for it, he got completely doghoused by head coach Kyle Shanahan. Jason was in on him because in 12 games he was averaging almost 13 points per game in a half-point scoring format. The next year, human stuff entered the realm, and he was, by reports, being lazy at practice, just not getting along with the coach.

So it looked like his career was done, and then eventually as that season went, started to turn things around. My point being of Brandon Ayuk has actually been really, really good for fantasy football, but I don't think that the way that we think about him or his fantasy finish matches how good he has actually been and don't get over don't overemphasize the yards per catch because two years ago it was 13 yards per catch very reasonable wide receiver 15. I agree completely that my being lower on Brandon Ayuk is not indicative of the quality of the player. He is awesome.

It's the situation, the system, the low passing, and the hyper efficiency he has to have to repeat. Yeah, and it's keep trade cut, so you're kind of stuck picking one. All right, let's go with this one. Three running backs on brand new teams. They are currently back-to-back- back to back on our consensus 2024 rankings. Keep trade cut Aaron Jones, Austin Eckler, and the Gus bus. This is a funny three-pack. I mean, this three-pack was way more fun to talk about like four years ago.

Yeah. When Gus Edwards was about to start a season as the starting running back in Baltimore. What a great couple days that was. Look, you know my answer. You know I'm going to cut. Well. I know we're on opposite sides on Aaron Jones. We're on opposite sides on Aaron Jones.

We are. And I think it makes you want to cut Aaron Jones. Which is why I paused. I'm trying to be unbiased and just look at the actual players here. Like Eckler, it's a huge question mark there. Reunited with his offensive, or with Anthony Lynn, who he was with in Los Angeles.

Has an opportunity in the passing game. Should, but really don't know what that's going to look like with Brian Robinson, who I think was very good last year. Gus Edwards, it's all in front of him, but most of his years are behind him. And then Aaron Jones, they let him go.

They moved forward with Josh Jacobs. I do think it's interesting because you've been very negative on Josh Jacobs, and you don't believe in him. And this is the same team that also said, we are going to get rid of Aaron Jones to bring in the guy that you don't believe in, and you still believe in Aaron Jones. It's the process that went about. They tried to re-sign Aaron Jones first.

Before bringing in Josh Jacobs, Aaron Jones wouldn't take the pay cut. They let him go. Then they went after another running back because they said, we lost Aaron Jones, who was really good for us. So how good was he? How good was he? Well, the last six games, counting the playoffs, he had 17 opportunities, 24, 21, 27, 22, 24.

Super important. He had five straight rushing yard games of over 100. He didn't lose anything. Close enough. But you're taking the onus off the team. You're like, oh, he didn't take the pay cut, so they got rid of him for this guy I don't like. The team could have paid him.

Don't take a pay cut if you think that that's what you've got. Why not just pay the guy that's so great? Why replace him with a guy that you personally do think struggles? I have so much respect for how the Packers run their organization I would have done the 100 same thing this is an older back they brought in a younger back I mean it Josh Jacobs when I say that he he is not someone that I think like I'm not positive he's lost anything I just see the path he was very inefficient last year he was my fantasy wild card because he could ease. I mean, Josh Jacobs could be awesome this year, and I'll take the L on that. I lean towards him not being.

But Aaron Jones just didn't look like he lost a step. You look at Aaron Jones versus Austin Eckler last year. Obviously, Aaron Jones was injured and didn't have a great fantasy season in totality, but when he was out there, he looked great. Austin Eckler, sometimes. He had a bad – yeah, sometimes. You're not remembering the – He had a really bad run in the middle of the season in between multiple injuries.

But, yeah, you can at least explain it away with injuries where Josh Jacobs – I don't remember a catastrophic ankle injury. Maybe I'm misremembering it. I will be trading Aaron Jones in this situation to Jason. I will be keeping Gus Edwards because I feel like the offense is built around it and I'm going to go for the touchdowns. And I'm going to cut Austin Ecklund and just not have any commander stink on the roster.

Just a follow-up real quick to what the Packers are doing. They have to sign Jordan Love very soon. So they're going to be – Jordan Love's gamble, or I guess whatever, both of their gambles, but Jordan Love, his bet on himself, is going to turn into a gigantic contract because he is technically under contract this year. And 2025 is one of those weird void things. Did you see the numbers with the wide receiver core compared to what

Jefferson's deal is? Yes. That they have like 12 million guaranteed to their current wide receiver room? Yes. And Jefferson has what? What was the number of guaranteed money for Jefferson? Oh, it was 110 million. Something like that.

That's wild. That's amazing. An amazing job by that team. And then did you also see that Tyreek Hill had to say that being greedy is not going to help your team Tyreek Hill on his gigantic contract was that was very funny anyways sidebar back to the players these are all philosophically different players Gus Edwards is he good at this point? I don't know, but the opportunity is so incredible,

and the depth chart is completely beatable. Austin Eckler, he should still work as a pass catcher, and then Aaron Jones, to me, is the one who has the most juice left, but he's got a young player behind him in Ty Chandler that can really earn reps. Like, Ty Chandler should be on the field a good amount for the Vikings if they're doing things right. So having to choose between them.

Yeah, what's your final keep fair cut? Oh, my goodness. I guess I'm keeping Jones. I have Eckler just a few spots ahead of Aaron Jones, but I guess I'm going to take Aaron Jones here and trade Gus. The Gus situation just never works. It never, ever works. An old man changing teams to be the guy for all the reasons of

there's no one else there. The volume has to be there. That's we all scream into the mirror of why didn't this work yet again. So that's that's my fear. I'm going to keep Jones. I think he's better. So you're cutting Gus Bus? That's what you just said. I mean you didn't say it. No I think you avoided the last one. I think I'm cutting Gus.

That is that is where I am to keep Aaron Jones. Trade Austin Eckler cut Gus only because Austin Eckler is a few spots ahead in ADP than Gus Edwards, so trade value should be higher. Who scores the most touchdowns among the three? Gus Edwards. Who has the most total yards? Aaron Jones.

Who catches the most passes? Austin Eckler. Yeah. Okay. That's what I'm saying. These three are – this is a wild three-pack. How many of these three will you have on your team? One.

One to zero? Yeah, it's one, yeah, one to zero. Old Faithful or Old Yeller. Oh, Kyle. That's the name of this one. Oh, that's so sad. Old Faithful or Old Yeller. These three players are going back to back in the middle of the third round.

Now, we're talking about the part of Old Yeller where we're living a great life because we have our best friend. Not that part. No? Nope. We're talking about the bad part. The rabies part? Yeah. It was rabies, right? I just remember he died. Was it? Well, yeah. Okay. Moving. Spoiler. Old Faithful or Old

Yeller. Travis Kelsey, Derrick Henry, Mike Evans. So yaller travis kelsey derrick henry mike evans so 34 years old for kelsey 30 for derrick henry 30 for mike evans where do you sit give me your keep trade cut man this is this is i i like all three of these players i i really do um where they are going right now in the drafts, back to back to back in the middle of the third round, I think is fine. I could see me taking any one of these players.

I'm not anti any of them. That being said, Kelsey has other options. For the first time ever, there's like a four or five pack of potential hopeful tight end ones. You know, and so I don't feel the need to take him in the third round over a running back or wide receiver. So I lean Derek Henry. We've talked about him recently.

Andy, you brought him up on the wild – was that the wild card episode? No, it was explain yourself. I got explain yourself because I had him in 18. Yes. And you had a lot of got to explain yourself. And you had a lot of data about he needs to have an outlier season in order to be an older running back who's not catching passes, who will succeed. I do think that I mean, I believe that is true true but I also believe that truth happens uh this is you know we just talked about Gus Edwards who vacated 13 rushing touchdowns for the same team last year

Derrick Henry greater sign Gus Edwards so they brought him in the depth chart there is not scary for Derrick Henry um I don't love older running backs changing teams but if they are I want them to go to the MVP of the league at quarterback for a power rushing team I'm going to take Derek Henry over Mike Evans so I will keep Derek Henry I will trade Mike Evans and I will cut Travis Kelsey final answer for me I will go with the same thing I will prioritize running back in this round over wide receiver despite obviously Mike Evans. He did get his money.

He delivered last year. One of the best picks in fantasy. But I can find some players I have confidence in at wide receiver beyond Mike Evans at that ADP or at ADP later on. So I'll match you. I'm keeping Mike Evans at that ADP or at ADP later on. So I'll go, I'll, I'll match you. I'm keeping Mike Evans. I will trade man.

I think I'm trading Derek Henry. And I agree with the thoughts on Kelsey. There's just, there's some other guys that may have a chance to knock them off being the number one, but I'm going to keep the wide receiver over. As much as I believe in Derrick Henry, he still is a 30-year-old running back entering year nine. All right, let's take a quick break and come back with some more.

All right, we're jumping into more Keep Trade Cut. This one is late-round quarterbacks that could open the year as your starter. These are all round 10 quarterbacks. We just did a mock draft where two of these guys ended up on Jason's team. So maybe the option is you can take two. But opening schedules could be the tiebreaker between them. Jared Goff, quarterback for theroit lions after the impressive season jayden daniels the rookie out of washington who's going to run the football who's got an opportunity to um probably be a better fantasy player than an

nfl player in year one and then justin herbert who is being just tossed aside just yeah relegated to late round it brings andy so much pain to see justin herbert this far back just me no not just you it brings me pain too justin herbert is an actual great nfl quarterback and we jason and i were talking more about this and you know i think that there's a chance that Justin Herbert's just fine and that so as part of the answer here you could be getting a player that is a perennial much higher pick that is getting discounted because of the the situation losing Keenan Allen and Mike Williams in the offensive structure or he really doesn't have anybody to throw the football to. Like that is part of the real answer is that Joshua Palmer, he profiles as a wide receiver 2-3 in the NFL.

So far, Quentin Johnson profiles as a wide receiver 7 or 8 in the NFL. Ladd McConkie is a rookie. So you want to put it on. Here's the problem for Ladd McConkie is that, okay, maybe he can have some success and be a PPR-relevant player. Also, if he's their best player, you want a rookie getting the attention of the defense and the defense baiting tosses to Butterfingers outside?

I mean, if he is their best. Which one's Butterfingers? That's huge. Okay. Yeah, that's huge. Palmer's fine. Palmer's actually a really good wide receiver too. Palmer's just the understudy for the wide receiver one and two.

100%. The performance is not going to be as good, and you wished you had gotten tickets to the other show. But he's still there. I go to a Broadway musical, and I get that little slip, and I'm disappointed. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, dang it.

All right, bougie boy. Not everyone knows what you're talking about. All right. They list the understudy on it. Today's performance, the role of so-and-so will be played by understudy. And then it's like, oh, that stinks. But they're on Broadway. Yeah.

That's still a talented person. And this is the NFL. Shouldn't it still be a really talented person that's what I'm saying but you're still disappointed it's a perfect analogy yes thank you I knew you'd be in on that one

but to answer the question I'm going to keep Jared Goff I'm going to trade Jaden Daniels I'm going to cut Justin Herbert yes all that like oh I'm so sad Justin Herbert's down here I'm cutting Justin Herbert Herbert's down here. I'm cutting Justin Herbert.

You snake. He's the clear cut here. Also, when you're in round 10, you need to look at the opening schedule and consider that. Justin Herbert's beginning to the season scares me, and it scares me specifically because of the Vegas lines. Opens week one with the Raiders okay you go oh they're the he should be able to throw on them the Raiders are better defense than you think their team wasn't that good but their defense was great the over-under is 43 and a

half points not not a very you know you're not super excited about that and if it's an easy team what do you think hard dog's gonna do he gonna run if they got the lead they're gonna run the ball so then the next week they got the panthers sweet three to zero victory probably a 17 to zero victory where herbert throws the ball four times you know what i mean like that the the over under there is 41 and then the steelers 42 like it's just not exciting for me i'm gonna do what i did in the mock draft i I'm going to take Jaden Daniels. Swing for the fences. Hope that it's crazy rushing ceiling. You saw, I believe it was the quarterback seven, Kyler Murray's rookie year with Cliff Kingsbury.

So I'm going to try that first. So I will keep Jaden Daniels, cut Justin Herbert, and trade Jared Goff. If this is like I'm picking one quarterback and I'm going to ride this out for the whole year, I would take the shot on Jaden Daniels. But if this is really just I want a guy to get me through the first quarter of the season, it's Jared Goff with the Rams, the Bucs, the Cardinals, the Seahawks.

The average line over under it looks like the average is essentially 49 or close to 50 points here. And I think Jared Goff is, yeah, he has really, really bad games, but I do think he is being underrated. And a fun stat, I had Kyle dig up this morning. Sample is unbelievably small, of course, because it's just from last year, but it's three games without David Montgomery. Their neutral pass rate jumped from 57% to 64%. So should David Montgomery miss time? I think that this team, despite the leadership being as high T's

as you can possibly get, if Jameer Gibbs is your lead running back, you're going to throw the ball more. But aren't you saying that that seems like a negative because he had that last year baked into his numbers where David Montgomery missed time. As of now, David Montgomery is there, so they should throw the ball less. No, no, no. I'm saying, no, but he did what he did mostly with the full team.

I'm saying where it's like when you're drafting Jameer Gibbs, you know that if David Montgomery misses time, now you're going to see an uptick. I'm saying for a quarterback, if this other running back misses time, your pass rate is going to go up. Well, I don't think the best argument is to talk about Montgomery missing time. I think the best argument is that Montgomery got reduced snaps. So when Montgomery doesn't get snaps over the back half of the year,

last year, Gibbs is on the field more. Gibbs catches more passes. They want to use them in the passing game, and they depend on Goff more. The Drew Brees effect. Yeah. Where you get a ton of added passing value just dinking it down to Kamara. All right, let's jump into the mailbag and answer a few questions from the foot clean. Mailbag.

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First question. Henry in New Jersey says in a dynasty league, would you trade the 102 for Puka Nakua in a half PPR? What would you do, Jason? I know my answer. Which is a way of saying neighbors of Dunesay. Yeah. Or? Or Puka. PPR. What would you do, Jason? I know my answer. Which is a way of saying neighbors of Dunesay. Yeah. Or?

Or Puka. Puka. So I'm very confident in my answer, so I would love to hear your guys'. Yeah, his answer is Puka. I'm real confident in mine, too, so I just want to check what you guys are saying. Yeah, I'm super confident if someone wants to tell me what they're doing. I mean, I can go. Look, I think.

I think it would be stupid for anybody to answer, not Puka. Because Puka's level of excellence was so high that. It feels dumb to project it for one of these other players now. If Malik neighbors is equal sign Jamar chase. Yeah. And you had, you know, you go to the future and find that out. Like right now,

if you say, okay, do you want Jamar chase or Puka Nakua? I think everyone's answering Jamar chase. Absolutely. So in that case, like if you, I don't think it's wrong to shoot your shot.

And I don't know that Puka Nakua is going to do this every year all the time. And so I don't know that Puka Nakua is going to do this every year all the time. So I don't mind you taking neighbors. That would be the only pick I would take over Puka. The range of outcomes. I'm sorry, not a dunesay? No. Okay. The range of outcomes is decently wide for both players.

This could have been Puka Nakua's best season the rest of his career. But even if that's true and that was his best and now he's just a good wide receiver we know he's a good wide receiver he's not going away but maybe he's not a top five wide receiver ever again for fantasy that still doesn't mean that you lose the trade taking Puka because Corey Coleman, Nikhil Harry there are an endless list of first round highly touted wide receivers that just don't actually happen to work out. Quentin Johnston. Not drafted this high,

though. Not drafted that high. It's a very small amount that are drafted at, what was neighbors? Six? Five? Just throwing that out there. I agree. I literally looked up Corey Coleman. That's when you go, Corey Davis, John Ross.

Even if he's Mike Williams, that's a disappointment. Right. So the hope is that Neighbors is much better than Puka Nakua. He certainly was that way in college, drafted to be better than Puka Nakua but I would definitely take Puka we know he is great for the NFL we know he works well with Sean McVay he's an integral part of a great offense I would take Puka but valuing Puka and Kyron at this point is incredibly difficult is there any chance'd take Puka over Marvin Harrison? I mean, a lot of the arguments we're making.

Yeah. No. Yeah. Jay, it could be a boat. What if he turns into Puka the Cooler? Then he's just younger. Like I said, valuing Puka is a near impossible task. Corey Davis was five overall.

Yep. Amari Cooper was four overall. If you have Amari Cooper's career, I'm not sure you're happier than Puka. Mm-hmm. That's why you draft Amari. Oh, yeah. Amari Cooper was four. Sammy Watkins was four overall.

Oh, yeah. There you go. Oh, brother. And he was – that was the 2014 – He was a can't miss. He was can't miss in the 2014 class Where nobody missed Where he was the only miss

Well I guess Calvin Benjamin Ate his way out of the league Or something I don't know Oh my gosh I Sammy Watkins Though just to bring it up Like I think the first year he, first year he played, Sammy Watkins had 128 targets.

Yeah. Okay. He never touched that number again. Right. And he had six touchdowns. The next year he had like nine touchdowns. But he's a tiny little bit of a cursory tale of like you do. Like Bolden's best year was his rookie year. Like Sammy Watkins showed great promise his rookie year.

None of them were on level with breaking the records that Puka Nakua did, but you can go sideways. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. It could go sideways this year. It could absolutely go sideways this year. I mean, when I look at Sammy Watkins' career trajectory, you know, he was drafted so high, comes out, he's a wide receiver 27,

his rookie year, his sophomore year he's the wide receiver 17. You know where he's going, and it's to the moon. And he, I mean, he was never even a wide receiver 3 again. He was worthless the rest of his career. McKay Jordan says, would Jonathan Brooks be a good draft pick? That's just the whole question. Yep. I'm going to answer the question.

I don't think so. I think he's a great draft pick, and you're using the wrong adjective. Okay. I see. Okay. Jason took him in the mock draft on Tuesday. If Jason had not, I would have selected him right there he's like he's in the ninth round right now that's gonna go up uh over the process of the off season but with the with the acl that he is recovering from i don't know that if he that

he climbs into a range where it becomes incredibly scary to draft him. I agree. If he jumps up into the fourth, even though a rookie in the fourth is usually smash that draft button of a rookie running back, but that would be scary

if he got up that high. I don't think he climbs past the sixth. Because of the ACL, because he will get off to a slow start. I don't necessarily think week one he is the clear leader. What happens if they cut Miles Sanders? Oh, no. Now he's in the fourth round. Right.

Don't do that. Don't do that. It also might mean that the start isn't as slow. Tommy Reed 711 says, is a 2025 first-round draft pick good value for T. Higgins and Dynasty? Next year's first. I'm okay with that.

I would, yeah, I would offer it. I would trade my 2025 first for T. Higgins. You get a year of a player on your roster, period. It's a guaranteed win unless he misses the season.

I'm not doing it if I think my picks are in the top six. Well, it won't be after you get Higgins. You know. I'm not doing it if I think my pick's in the top six. Well, it won't be after you get Higgins. You know what I'm saying? You're telling me he might hit 1,000 yards? Is that what you're telling me?

I am telling you he might play 17 games. Which is his only pathway to 1,000. Yeah, no, that makes sense. He's good, man. T. Higgins is good. I think he's good. The right adjective the right adjective for t higgins is good not great i agree with that but not fine but the best he's ever done was 74 for 1091 and six that's good that's not great yeah um and i don't know if i want to settle in like would you trade let me put it this way would you trade a 2025 first round pick for michael pitman yeah yeah for sure like just regardless of where it's landing yeah okay yeah the way you said okay scared me for a second i was like oh no did we just convince

andy to go do a deal but then i remembered i'm not negotiating live here. Okay. But I also think I'm aiming higher than a wide receiver 15 to 20 when I'm using that pick. For my roster, I'm aiming higher than wide receiver 15 to 20, and that is what Higgins and Pittman are. I'm aiming higher than that with my third-round picks. Doesn't mean I'm going to get it. So you want the wide receiver two in the bag versus the wide receiver one in the bush?

I want the wide receiver who just got a big bag of money. That's a great way to put it. In Dynasty League, I would much rather have a wide receiver two in the bag than a wide receiver one in the bush. Yeah, the bag's the money. Galladay got a bag of money. James Jones got a bag of money. It's not just the bag of money.

I want to know what the potential of a player is. Because to keep players around, you've got to give them about bags of money. James Jones got a bag of money. It's not just the bag of money. I want to know what the potential of a player is. Because to keep players around, you've got to give them a bag of money. That's just how it works. But neither of those players were kept around. They went to different teams. To get their bag of money. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I know. Same team makes a big difference. All right. You answered the question. You have passed the test. All right. I think that is going to do it for today's episode of the show a reminder the ultimate draft kit available right now at ultimate draft kit.com you can go pick it up and use it right away there's an app there's a web interface tons of tools and resources constantly being updated made some tweaks to my rankings

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