Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Mock Draft! Ballers vs Ducers - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/14

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

Fantasy Football show for Aug 14, 2025. It’s mock draft time! Andy, Mike, and Jason join forces to draft a team versus the Footballers staff! Lots of tips and advice for 2025 fantasy football drafts. Plus, how to prevent tilting after a mistake pick. Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.2025 ULTIMATE DRAFT KIT + Draft Analyzer available now at UltimateDraftKit.com(00:00) Intro(05:20) NFL News(10:07) Mock DraftConnect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord

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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. The fantasy footballers podcast. Jason Moore is here. Howdy. Mike Wright in the building. Hello. I'm Andy Holloway.

It's a mock draft episode. It's going to be a good one. Mark a locket ding dong. Maka-laca ding-dong. And it's going to be fun. Today we are going to do it a little differently than the last few moks. We're actually going to share a team today. It'll give us...

Like the good old days. Yeah, to give us some more time to talk about the pick and fight about the pick and make some decisions about building our team. The rest of the spots will be filled up by staff and support of the fantasy footballers. And we'll see if we can have ourselves a successful mock draft. is looking forward to taking on the crew once again. I know they live to defeat us. They live to try.

Yes. But they're going to need to be a cat. We've taken out them lives. See, cats have nine lives. Oh, nine, I know, but it's because we're going to kill them ten times. Well, according to that intro, we will kill them. Okay. Yeah, so a mock draft today, we have a UDK for Life giveaway happening

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for 2025. So every year we've done this, we are donating a portion of all revenues generated by the Ultimate Draft Kit. This year our partnership is with the Koenig Childhood Cancer Foundation.

Yeah. It is a wonderful foundation. They provide life-saving financial and emotional support to children battling cancer. So like I said, a portion of this year's sales for the UDK goes directly to KCCF, and you can learn more about that and more about them at Ultimate DraftKit.com. You'll see the note on there, and it'll give you some more information about that partner. So we're very excited about that. And we appreciate everybody every year that has supported this show as we work to support

a variety of different childhood cancer charities and foundations. What else is going on? You can follow the show over on X at the FF Ballers. You can watch it. It's a good episode to go tune in on YouTube because we'll have the draft board up for the mock draft. YouTube.com slash the fantasy footballers. We are also doing a mini-series that we're releasing an episode of every Saturday.

So we went real quick from like two shows a week. to three to like five, to now like six, seven if you've got the footcast. So no shortage of fantasy football content for the fantasy football addicts out there. Sorry, I'm being a little quiet. I'm adjusting my Trayvion Henderson rankings. Mike is in a good place. Is this from practice today? He can't stop, guys.

I refer to yesterday's top 10 tips and tricks. Don't let the preseason videos overdo it. And I'm talking to everybody here with the ADP. The ADP, let's come on. Let's hold off. Yeah. It's not helpful for Mike and the revenues of the pants store to... I'm never going back to the pants store.

Let's just say like... Pants sales are crazy. Yeah, Mike is not buying pants right now. Travion Anderson, it's the big play stuff. And we talked about Amir Abdullah in the preseason. It could be one of those. But Ramandre is banged up right now. Yeah.

That's not going to help the ADP. No, no. He may go one overall very soon, at least. Mike will have to decide between CMC and Trayvion with pick number one. But we got more news to talk about. News and notes from Around the League, presented by Progressive Insurance. actually uh brooksie jumping in with some breaking news a slight update on the remandre stevenson injury uh mag brable did note wednesday that the unspecified injury because that's we had heard what we had

heard he had missed a couple of practices it's not specified it's unspecified uh he said it's not considered significant okay so it's unspecified and insignificant it's the time of year where you can do these things and we have no idea no and then and then in the meantime with the time afforded on the field. Trevion Henderson is catching 70-yard wheel route passes in in joint practices. They did not

cover him. I will say that. Yeah, I was going to say it was great. He caught the ball and ran 70 yards, but also the defense forgot he existed. Dude, that's what happens on sneaky wheel routes. I saw a high school clip the other day of one of the kids coming in off the sideline

so they only had 10 on the field. Everyone lines up. He takes two steps on to the field from the sideline before the snap before the snap and no one covered him and he's just all by himself on the side that's legal right i that seems a little dirty that seems real high school if you're not on like if they're lined up he just took like one step out yeah yeah they're all lined up i mean you want your 11 on the field yeah but like NFL wise like i mean you know if you make a substitution right they hold the ball that wouldn't be allowed right not in the NFL. I feel like that's happened

in the NFL, though, hasn't it? Oh, no. What happens in the NFL is they break the huddle. One guy looks like he's trying to get off the field. Yeah, and they go have a stop right before. He stops right. And you have an argument with the coach, like you're pretending you're really walking off the field. And then Johnny Mansell runs a nine round. There you go. Dolphins wide receiver

Tyree Kiel Jalen Waddle both returned to practice on Wednesday. McDaniel said Hill is being monitored so he can protect him against himself. Okay. Stop hitting yourself. It's not like a, that's not an ankle monitor. Right? I kind of like that.

I'm sad. Mike Gassicki hamstring injury. So he sustained it on August 2nd, still rehabbing. Chiefs running back Cream Hunt, a quad contusion. And then Justin Jefferson with the hamstring, it's a close one to monitor, definitely progressing, but not practicing this week. So they're going to play that as slow as they can.

They need him for the regular season. Yeah, they should. He's good. He does not need to practice. Correct. Very good at football. And do we, Mike, I'm going to turn to you for this very important Matthew Stafford-related update. Do we have any more news on Matthew Stafford?

The news is... Is he practicing? I don't, I'm not really sure. It says no Matthew Stafford. I don't know what's going on here, man. We got the tweet was, no, Matt Stafford is Rams go about their job. We're talking about yesterday. And, dude, we...

it's getting very, very scary. So, yeah. For all Rams-related players, not just for Matthew Stafford. We are recording this show a little bit early. Yeah. So just a heads up, if any news updates come through, that is why this is the last bit of information that we have. But, yeah, Jefferson, if you get back to him real quick,

you know, if you have the draft today, which is happening, right? Like, I just went and got a haircut yesterday. The person I met in there, they just did their draft. They just did it. So there are drafts happening from now until kickoff. Is the Jefferson news, is the neighbor's news? Either of those situations dissuading you at all based on your projections for those players if you're coming down to that pick. Not really.

I mean, the truth is where Jefferson is being picked, I'm usually going to take one of the top three running backs. Right now where neighbors is being picked, you know, I've got neighbors and Nico Collins. They're in the same tier to me. I don't see the range Yeah, Pooka's in that tier. Yeah, Pooka's in that tier. I don't see the range being that different on any of those guys. In which case, if push comes to shove and I have to draft right now, I'd be fine taking Nico. And you are. Over Jefferson? No, no, no, over Malik neighbors. Oh, I got it.

But you are lamb over Jefferson right now. I am land. Sure, yeah. What about Amun-Ran Jefferson? Is this hamstring injury enough to make you worried about that? I don't think it is for me. It's not for me. Not for me either. The Jefferson and C.D. Lamb, Jamar Chase, there, and there's a little break there. All right, that was today's News and Notes, sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote today at Progressive.com, Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and third-party insurers.

Not available in all states or situations, coverage subject to policy terms, limits, and conditions. Well, we're going to jump right in. No further ado. All right, like I said, we got the full crew in there today. So we'll be competing with footballers, staff, riders. And it is a 10-team half-PPR mock today. One team for the three of us. We're sharing it.

So we'll get to, you know. Fight. Yeah, we'll get to figure out where we negotiate. Yeah, we talk about maybe we'll hand the picks over. Maybe we'll make them together. We'll see how it goes. One quarterback, two running back, two wide receiver. one tight-in, one flex four bench spots.

We ended up with the randomly selected spot number four overall. And so let's kick this thing off. We've got Jamar Chase off the board with the number one pick. Jake goes with Jamar, not a surprise there. Brooksie comes in with Sequin with the number two overall pick. Okay. Putting Bejohn Robinson at the 103 to the Falcon himself, not on a bathroom break right now, actually here.

participating well let's double check that nope he is here okay uh and he probably didn't flush that pick down the toilet so b jean should be good here we are staring down justin jefferson and company at the number four overall spodjamir gibbs cd land rb one on the board um you got christian mcalfrey that mike is trying to talk about i was literally i was literally looking and i was like wait the rb one who yeah who did who did i miss uh i'm not going to fight for him here but that's what I would do. We, and the people know this about you, and they probably are trusting us to make a different decision.

So you would genuinely, you're on the clock, this is just your team, and let's say it's not a mock draft. You're not doing this to try. Like, do you believe that right now in a live startup redraft league, you would be pulling the trigger on Christian McAfre here over Justin Jefferson, over to Mear Gibbs, Henry, C.D. Lamb. Yeah, the three that went, those are the ones where, like,

I have McCaffrey number one, but I get it with the risk. I don't mind going Robinson over McCaffrey. Or if I have the one, I take Jamar at number one. So those guys, they push McCaffer, I'm willing to push McCaffrey down. Yes. All of those you would be willing to push McCaffrey down for it. Yeah, I'm okay with it. But what's your pick, Jay?

Like, what would your vote be here? And we'll come up to a conclusion. Yeah, I mean, this is a slight drop off, I think. I mean, personally, I have C.D. Lamb over Justin Jefferson. So if you're between those two, my rankings would take him. You add in the hamstring. But this is over Gibbs? Did you take him over Gibbs here?

For me, I would take him over Gibbs. I like, I've got Henry one spot ahead of Gibbs. So I think my rankings at the very top are a little bit different than your two. So we have no agreement. We have no agreement. So who would you take at the four spot? I would take Gibbs here. That's what I would do. I would take Gibbs at the 104.

We're off to a tough start, guys. Gibbs is my fourth ranked Why don't I have my own team Whose idea was this? I believe it was yours So Gibbs, Gibbs I'm fine with McCaffrey

Oh, whoa I would rather take I'll put it this way I want Gibbs right I would take Gibbs We could take Gibbs But I would rather have McCaffrey than going wide receiver

Then take Gibbs We'll see what the team looks like Is that what you're okay with that Jake? Yeah I am totally fine with that I think it's an appropriate spot right here. You have McCaffrey ahead of Gibbs. I don't want to stand in your way.

Well, I've got McCaffrey ahead of Gibbs if you're just talking about, you know, season long stat totals. But that doesn't factor in the- No, but that doesn't factor in risk. Like the risk rating of Jemir Gibbs versus the risk rating of Christian McCaffrey are not equal. That is why we include those rankings in our tier-based rankings in the UDK is because your decision is going to be philosophical. How do you build your team? What kind of risk do you want to take on? Obviously, Gibbs was, you know, he was very, very good.

We went Gibbs because Mike told me I could. C.D. Lamb goes next in Justin Jefferson, McCaffrey at the 107 to Matthew Betts. So Mike shook his head a little bit. No, I was shaking my head at we gave pick five and six. You had every opportunity to get the RV1 and you passed. That's dumb. Derek Henry at 108. We got my guys tomorrow.

Yeah, we do. He better be a my guy for you, Mike. Chris McCaffrey? You'll have to stay tuned. Derek Henry at 108, Alman Ross St. Brown to Kyle at 109. Malik Neighbors makes it into the first round of a 10 team with the 110 and then Ashton Genty,

unsurprisingly to Papa Josh with the first pick of the second round, he is, he's got Genty on the dynasty team. And him and the Falcon, they spend every other minute just oodling their own team. Yes, they do. Devon H.N. H.N. at the 202. Niko at the 203. Puka, Josh Jacobs, and Brock Bauer's off the board in the second round. Now, Mike, in a 10 team. Yeah, it's a 10 team. Talk about that. In a 10 team, you know, on yesterday's tips and tricks, Jason's was, one of Jason's was don't take two onesies, you know, in the first few rounds. And like, generally I do agree upon that. But in a 10 teamer, You're supplying demand for wide receivers and running back's changes? Wait, did we take, we took Chase Brown? We didn't even talk about it.

Wait, what happened? What a great pick we just did. I didn't mean to. Wait, no, we're leaving. Why would we have taken Chase Brown there? Leave him on the team because he's awesome. Did you just accidentally click Chase Brown and draft him? He was trying to add him to the queue.

He did the wrong button again. I didn't believe it. You do this so much. Like, you do sleeper drafts. I'm hosting the show. I was talking. I know that's why I didn't want to do anything. thing. I'm just trying to put them in order so I can't use hosting as an excuse for not

understanding which buttons you can click while not talking. You just, all you had to do is hit the Q button instead of the draft button. But I guess we've moved on. Goodness gracious. So in a 10 teamer, the onesie positions are, why don't I have my own team? The onesie positions are really where you can make up some ground 10 team. At the end, everybody's team is going to look awesome unless you have just botched your draft because there's more running backs. By accidentally drafting players? Don't draft another one. Yeah, don't add anyone to the Q. You guys write them down. You got a little. You're in charge to click in the button. The RBs and wide receivers, the supply is higher. So, tight, especially elite tight ends move up. Like,

if you want to take Brock Bowers at the end of the first or in the early second, that's fine with me. Let me piggyback that real quick. Because what I was going to do before I drafted Chase Brown, inadvertently but to our advantage was I was going to talk about our opportunity to draft Tray McBride because you just you just talked about it. You have a positional advantage in a 10 team.

McBride was available to us. We all decided to go chase Brown. Yes. At which point Brian Thomas Jr. went next. London and Irving. Chuba, Kieran, and A.J. Brown. We're back on the clock. Tray McBride's still there.

But there are other players that you guys can go ahead and add to the queue. Yeah, I will say that the players of, I would have definitely without a doubt, taking either Brian Thomas or Drake London. Having started with Gibbs, we could go more of a hero RB. And Brian Thomas and Drake London,

to me, represent the end of those top 10 wide receivers that I really, really want one. So now it's like, I would have gone wide receiver there, but now when you're looking at who's left, and it's Ladbaconki and Jackson Smith and jig, but it's like,

I don't view those guys. Higgins available, Garrett Wilson, Marvin? Do you want to Chase Brown and meet Higgins, though? No, no, no, no, I don't. My point is these wide receivers... Did you say add to Higgins to the Q? Is that what you said? My point is these wide receivers who are the next best available are a tier down from Drake London and Brian Thomas.

I totally agree. Do you view Bucky Irving, Kairn Williams, and Chuba in the same tier as Chase Brown? I personally, I think Kieran Williams and Chase Brown are in the same tier of Stafford's playing. that Kairn scares every ram right now scares the tar out of me. I was just, I was just saying, like, if you look at it from the other perspective, was there a different tier break there between Bucky and Chase Brown? I don't know. I know Chase Brown, Jason, you're completely convinced he'll be a dominant player.

This is not an anti-Chace Brown take at all. So are you saying you'd go Trey McBride here and we tried to ride? Yeah, at this point. Value at wide receiver? I would not have gone Trey McBride over those other two wide receivers that I viewed as still elite but with with the tear break with Chase Brown and Kairn being gone with Brian Thomas and Drake London being gone us

in the third round it's a 10 team league personally I think that's where you go I would look at the running backs real quick so on the board you know I'd love me some Johnny Tate yeah yeah Johnny Tate Johnny Taylor I just kind of trailed off that you were trying something new Jonathan Taylor James Cook

Omerian Hampton those guys are all still there so like Hampton with this build is interesting. I would be looking at Hampton or McBride. I think because we've got Gibbs and Brown, and you can make the argument, because we've got them, we can take the rookie and if he gets off to a slow start.

But right now, Najee can't even jog without hurting his eyes. So personally, I think with the two, I would lean McBride. Okay. Something in me says you guys should make the pick. I got it. Okay. All right, Tray McBride off the board at 304. Again, I...

Lawless, Jason. I still think Tray McBride was a fair decision to make in the second round of a 10-team league. I do agree. Luckily, I didn't let us make that mistake, and we got them into third. Really crafty by me, if I'm honest. I will say that if we were going to end up with McBride, this was the route to do it. Because we would have ended up with, you know, I mean, I would rather have Chase Brown and Tray McBride than Tray McBride and Jonathan Taylor. I can't believe I did it again

Tray McBride in the third round Jonathan Taylor Amari and Hampton in the third Mankakey Higgins I can totally believe it Garrett Wilson I don't even think it's the last time this episode I'll be honest I think there's a 40% chance it happens again

unless he keeps saying like okay you guys push the button he has no clue he has no clue which one my hands have been off the board Sleeper can you add some tool tips I know like just some mouse over let me just no no no

No, no. Thank you for this opportunity. There's no world where plus should be how you draft. No? Like add? No. Add two team? No, because we're not running like a free agent bin. But you think piece of paper should be, that means draft. Piece of paper should not be draft.

Plus should be Q and a new graphic should be draft. That's what I'm going to board. Because to me the paper is like make a note. Right. Add them to your list. on this piece of paper. Exactly. Right. I don't know.

Now that does make sense when you explain it like that. All right, we'll take a break. We'll come back with the rest of the draft. During the break, we all discussed it

and totally agreed with me that plus was confusing and I'm really smart. All right, Jonathan Taylor after our McBride pick, Hampton, McConkey, Higgins, Garrett Wilson and J.S.N. Big wide receiver run at the end of the third round. If you're watching on YouTube, you can see the wide receiver's coming off the board.

Newly minted James Cook at the 401. Not a problem there. Ahead of Connor. I moved him ahead of Connor recently. Marvin Harrison at the 402. James Connor at the 403, George Kittle off the board with the fourth pick of the fourth round. Mike Evans, Kenneth Walker off the board. And do you feel a little backed into that wide receiver position here in the four?

A little bit. yeah that's appropriate yeah i wish we had brian thomas junior drake london in that second round um yeah so of the wide receivers don't worry about it well tyrie kills back at practice he's on the board like his adp right now is significantly higher than where we are like he's been passed in a bunch of our mock drafts for the same tentativeness but he's healthy he's back at practice uh he's on the board terry mccloren not been paid yet he's on the board adams you talked to about being scared out of your mind with Stafford, that seems like the worst place to go for our first

wide receiver when you have some trepidation there? Yeah, the wide receiver won territory, according to my personal rankings, and I don't know that your guys are anything like this, but mine go DJ Moore, D.K. McCaff, Devonte Adams, Tyree Kill, as far as

the players that are available. But I do think that there are types of players... Did you say DJ more at the top? I did say DJ more at the top. But if you were to compare DJ more. I don't want him to be my wide receiver. That's where I was getting. He is ahead of D.K. Metcalf, but I don't think he is a consistent player. I don't think he is necessarily guaranteed to be even the number one for his team. Whereas D.K. Metcalfe, I mean,

we know he's the number one wide receiver for his team. There's no other option on that roster. What would your pick be, Mike? I know that Jason and I, a little higher on D.K. McCab. I would be totally fine with taking the shot on Tariq Hill here. I'm also okay going a slightly maybe safer route with you know you could go Devante Smith if you wanted to

you could swing for the fence of the Tetero-McMill in the fourth. Personally I would be going with Tyree Hill. It's not a comfortable spot to have him as your wide receiver one but you have to factor in. We have Trey McBride

so we have that positional advantage and with it being again being 10 team I think you can kind of swing right there on Tyreek of what if he comes back and he's a top five wide receiver you can make up some of your depth and

you know like where you know guys like Metcalf and Sutton they're good players but I don't know if they hit their ceiling they're not hitting a Tyreek Hill ceiling meanwhile we can find some pieces that maybe can fill it out I'm super excited I agree and

I love it. We took Tyreakil. Trayvion went next, probably just to get some airtime. The Falcon wants to get Trayvion. Oh, no, he likes him. That's why. Yeah. DJ Moore, Devante Adams.

Josh Allen, so first quarterback off the board, Terry McLaren. In the fifth round and a 10 team, that's really good. Yeah, and then Lamar Jackson off the board. We're back on the clock. I was actually rooting for Cortland Sutton to make it to this pick because I feel like Sutton is an actual borderline wide receiver one. But Metcalf didn't go.

Yeah, Metcalf is still there. to me he is significantly ahead in my rankings. As a wide receiver too, like if this was my team, I would have taken D.K. Metcalfe over Tyreek Hill. But if you do that, Tyreek does not make it back. And D.K. did.

So to me, considering we missed out on those second round wide receivers because of your brilliant Chase Brown pick. That's super smart. Tyree Kill and D.K. Metcalfe in the fourth and fifth are great to pair with Gibbs, Chase Brown, and Trey McBride.

I like the way the roster's turning up. Would you have gone? I mean, I'll take Metcalf. Jason seems strong there, and I'll go with that. You hit the right button. I did. I did. See, the plus means draft, and the little teeny paper means list. List. Yeah. Got it. I would. Would you have gone Sutton over Metcalf? I would have gone Sutton over Metcalfe. And I would have gone Tedaroa McMillan,

tetaroa McMillan with that pick over both D.K. and Sutton. Yeah, I probably, I would have been really comfortable there, too. But Tyree Kill and D.K. Metcalfe, I mean, if there's any, age requirements for our wide receivers to get in, we have those requirements. They're not going to be IDed, no. Jemir Gibbs, Chase Brown, the running backs, Trey McBride at

tight end, Tyreek L. D.K. Metcalfe, the wide receivers. If you look at the, I guess we're calling it the mistake, not to me, and you say that's Brian Thomas Jr. instead of Chase Brown. That means our third round is Jonathan Taylor instead of,

you don't get McBride. So how do you feel how it played out? Would you still have preferred Brian Thomas with the wide receivers we ended up with, moving from Chase Brown to Jonathan Taylor? I have my Taylor concerns. You're the most bullish. Yeah, I'm very bullish on Taylor. I would love to have Taylor.

But getting McBride while we have two great running backs and two very good wide receivers, I think it's worked out. It probably is even better than had we taken one of those. Because Metcalf, to me, I see Metcalf. If he's my wide receiver 17 and he's your wide receiver 14, getting that in the fifth round solidifies a roster. So I like it right now. We're really balanced after Metcalf went McMillan and then Jameson, who also would have been in consideration for me if it was just my pick. Jaden Daniels, Camara, Hertz, and Sutton rounding out the fifth round in our 10-team mock.

We've got Devante Smith with the first pick of the sixth round. a great value to me. Again, 10-team league, but that's nice. Breece Hall at 602, but grudgingly selected? Six round is perfectly fine. Joe Burrow? Fifth round's fine, too. George Pickens off the board, Xavier Worthy off the board, Jalen Waddle.

Our team, two running backs, two wide outs, and a tight-in so far. We're back on the clock. Certainly wasn't going to be tempted by Waddle with Tyreek already on this team. You've got wide receiver options, another rookie, and Travis Hunter, who has been moving up the board. A player, I think, is Highlander valued right now in Calvin Ridley. The rapport with, you know, on that team,

it's great right now with Cam Ward. You have running back options. You know, Joe Mixon's falling in drafts right now with the ambiguity around his situation. R.J. Harvey is sitting there. I mean, you literally just named the names that I'm... Oh, those are the ones you wrote down? Those are absolutely, those four are the names

that are the most appealing to me. So, and specifically, in my opinion, it's Travis Hunter versus Joe Mixen. And they're as kind of opposite as, you know, do you want the currently injured super old guy, but who is a stalwart workhorse on a good offense who was awesome last year and should he get it together, talk about solidifying a roster, or the high upside unproven, have no idea how many snaps he's playing on an offense. But one of the most elite athletes in the NFL already. the number two pick and Travis Hunter.

That will be about a round after McMillan. They're going pretty close in Mox. Here's what we'll do, though, is we have a short turn to our next pick. So you're talking about running back versus wide receiver. Where do you believe right now more depth is in this

draft? Because it can be less about those two facing off and more about, hey, what's the best available player on the board in the seventh round with the way our team is balanced right now? You know, I see, you know, Mixing, Montgomery, Harvey, then I feel like it's sort of a teardrop at that point at running back. Maybe you could put Pacheco in there.

You know, Kareem Hunt's banged up, Pacheco's had the number one spot. A wide receiver, I don't feel as cozy with the depth beyond Hunter and maybe Ridley. I would agree with that. Now, Ridley is not beloved by everybody. He could very easily come back to us in the seventh. But then everyone we're drafting with is listening to us right now. I thought, Andy, I thought you were more in on Judy. Am I mistaken?

Judy has, I've kind of softened a little bit. Okay. I'll feel pretty decent with, the hard part there is it's just like, I like Nojoku as the biggest beneficiary from Joe Flacko. Judy had that explosive small period of time with James Winston, but Tillman is back and healthy. Deontay Johnson's involved. So I just think there's a little bit more room for Judy to be disappointing than I had probably a month ago. I think we need to balance out. Gibbs and Chase Brown are awesome.

Tyree Kill and D.K.K. McCaff are good, but they don't need to be carded. And I think we should get a wide receiver that if he was going to go grab a six-pack, might be carded and some youthful upside. I see what you mean. And Travis Hunter. You want to get card. Bring our average wide receiver age down. And I would agree with you.

I don't like the depth that wide receiver as much as I do. I'm good with Travis Hunter. All right. Let's get that off the board. Let the guys take our analysis. and then take the players right behind us, which is one of the fun parts about drafting live to everybody. So we'll take Travis Hunter, so we went to three wide.

I think that's good logic there with, you know, even with Tyreekill having a little bit of an injury management situation in this offseason and Metcalf on a new team. After we took Hunter, Joe Mixing did go next, as you might expect. Zay Flowers off the board. I feel like the Zay Flowers world, right now is just totally

apathetic. It's like, it very much is. You take him because you got to, but nobody's like into it. And this is an explosive player. He's got to be fine. He's had very he's had great fantasy success in different periods of time. So Zay Flowers, let me just go confirm something real quick.

Because you've heard me talk about my ADP study with where I'm a little concerned about JSN, how high he's being drafted. Yeah. And that ADP study is essentially players that break out in year two then where they are drafted the following year

do they return the points that they are being drafted for their ADP expectation and it's actually a lower hit rate than a lot of other things especially compared to what you think where like a year two guy this guy should be on a rocket ship he's going to be fantastic but that's the problem is they get on an ADP rocket ship and go up and they return value about half the time Zay Flowers is in that scenario as well where he finished as a top 24 for the first time

as a year two guy but his ADP is not being steamed up so if you're talking about returning value I think he is the better bet over JSN but can he actually make a jump into like into a top 15 type of a player it's not impossible but it seems it seems unlikely

yeah look we took Hunter mixing went next than flowers we just talked about in Montgomery Egbuka. Aaron Jones goes. My tier of those next, the best running backs left on the board were mix in Montgomery and R.J. Harvey. Calvin Ridley did go at the 703.

The Falcon will not be invited to future drafts. We just went three straight wide receivers. RJ Harvey's still on the board. I do want to talk about him for a second just in the fact that like I just recently saw Kay Adams interview with Sean Peyton. You know, she kind of joked about him being

fifth on the depth chart because that's kind of like a posturing thing also talked about that joker role and and Peyton defined what a joker is to him everyone on his team it is everyone on the team no he said he said any running back and tied in to have extra special wide receiver skills so those two positions that don't always they don't always catch the ball but so it can't be evan ingram um he said Evan ingram was his his established joker old he also said previous jokers would have been like Darren sproles right somebody that had extra special he better of I didn't see Graham. If you didn't, shame on you.

Yeah, I mean, Graham certainly was. But then they bring up R.J. Harvey. Is he a Joker? And he kind of said, well, he's got those skills. He doesn't have his Joker wings yet. That's the way you put it. His wings? A Joker doesn't have wings, man.

Look, he's crossing metaphors. See, I didn't even, I didn't spend any time thinking about that, guys. It is just the Joker. It's just the Joker. But that's what he said. But R.J. Harvey should probably be our pick. So we want to. Seems like we're all in agreement.

I would just, just, I would peek at quarterback. Oh, I peaked last round. I did. Okay. Well, I just, for the, for the listeners at home, the big, we'll call them the big five went, Allen, Lamar, Daniels, Hurdsboro. They're already gone. So you're, you know, it's like, Mahomes, ADP-wise, it's Mahomes, Baker, Bo, Kyler. So I agree.

I'm going, I'm not. There's five teams. You don't need to jump in right now. There's five teams left in this league who don't. don't have a quarterback. And there are more than five quarterbacks that I would be just fine having. So I don't know. Once you're past that big five, I'm not sure I care much to start the next one. Exactly. I'd wait forever. Whether it's, if you're telling me it's Baker, great. If you're telling me it's Bo Nicks, great. Giler, okay, DAC, fine. I mean, there's too many

guys here for us to pull the trigger early instead of continuing to load up depth where we need it. So we did go with R.J. Harvey. So our running backs, Gibbs, Chase Brown, RJ Harvey, our wide out, Tyree Kill, D.K. McKaff, Travis Hunter, with Trey McBride as that guaranteed production at one of the onesie spots. We have four picks left. Stupid owl. And- literally do. He took Caleb Johnson. Oh, okay. Yeah, you, I saw you had added him to our queue. Yeah. I'm impressed that you know how to add players to the queue. Yeah, it's just the, it's the piece of paper icon. It's the one that looks like add to lists. Right. Yeah, I mean, personally, I've got Caleb Johnson ahead of R.J. Harvey.

There's also a star you could just click, man. But I would love to. There's a lot going on. Just don't click the plus. Just don't click the add button to the team. All right, we'll take a break real quick. I just gave you the rundown. And then we'll talk about the picks after Harvey coming into our eighth round right after this.

All right, Gibbs, Chase Brown, and R.J. Harvey at Running Back Hill. Metcalf Hunter at wide out Tray McBrides are tight end After we took Harvey It was kind of the beginning Of a little bit of a running back run So you always feel good if you're at the top of that Swift, Caleb Johnson and Pollard

Right, Pollard being maybe I like Pauliard. A great value right now with Tage Spears' injury Stefan Diggs seen more highlights in camp With Drake May Diggs off the board at 708 Pacheco at 709 So four out of five running backs in a row

and then the port of the next tight end to drop, 10th pick of the 7th round. Brian Robinson, Jr. to start the 8th round, Olavee, Pearsall, and Rashi Rice finally off the board. How do you guys feel about that? So the 804 for Rice in a 10 teamer? Well, let's just say it's six games. Right.

If it's six games, he's not going to be IR eligible. We are not in a double flex. We're not in a three wide. You probably, you can probably, make that pick and feel like the upside's there. I'm okay with it. Yeah, I really like it there. I mean, if you look at the team that drafted him, he's got

Puka, Ladd McConkey, and George Pickens already. So you don't need, you can hold off, you can wait for Rice to be available, and then you might end up with, you know, a top 10 wide receiver for the stretch run. Do you feel similarly about Jordan Addison in this round where he's got a three-game suspension

and we know it? He was a highly productive player last year. I don't feel that way because there's the difference here is that you have a hope and a path. Like when Rice was there, I think he was the wide receiver three through those first three weeks. You have a hope that he is a superstar, that he is going to be the number one target,

the 1,500 yards, eight to 10 touchdowns with Patrick Mahomes, as far as the pace. Obviously, he won't do that if he misses six games. I don't think you have that hope with Jordan Edison. You're just getting a solid wide receiver two, waiting games for a solid wide receiver two. aren't necessarily worth it when you could just draft someone

who could be a wide receiver two, solid, wide receiver two that plays week one. That's good logic. Rashi Rice was the 804. Mahomes went next. Got that Mahomes worthy stack. That's true. Yeah, and that was the next quarterback off the board since the sixth round. Judy finally goes off the board at 806.

We're back on the clock. If you look at quarterback, Baker's there, Knicks, Kyler, you know, Purdy, Dack. There's only one team in between us and our next pick without a quarterback. Yeah, so I don't think there's one name that we'd be okay with. Only, you know, if we ended up with Bo Nix, we'd have him with Harvey at some point down the line. So I feel fine waiting there, I assume. At running back, it doesn't look great. Tyrone Tracy will be the starter.

He's available. Jalen Warren will have a big role. I'm going to say the name that I'm sure we won't draft as a collective team. But I do think. You're talking about Jacksonville's RB2? I'm talking about Jacksonville's RB1, their primary pass catcher. Like today in practice or tomorrow? I think Travis E.TN is being too overblown as dust.

I don't think he is. And I know I stand alone here. And I'm not sitting here saying Travis ETN is a top 15. You stand there with last year right in front of you and you still believe in him. Yeah, I do. I do. I think that this is a player who could vary. They didn't even have two in last year.

he could very easily get 70 targets at the running back position. Do you like that route having Travis Hunter two picks ago? I don't think he's even saying draft Travis. I'm not saying I would draft him. He's just defending his honor. Right. I mean, if it's my pick, this is Roma Dunzee here. That would be who I would go with personally.

I'm fine with the Dunesay. I'm fine with a shot on another rookie and Matthew Golden, who, you know, Dobbs is banged up and Jane Reed's banged up. Everyone in the Packers is here. People have not talked enough about, like, I mean, Golden might have more of an opportunity to be a big-time contributor early just with some of these other players. I mean, Wicks can't catch. Reed's not available. And Dobbs is banged up and Watson's out.

Yeah. And when Reed comes back, he's not an outside wide receiver. It seems like Matthew Golden is starting week one as an outside wide receiver. I've risen a lot on him. He was not my favorite prospect coming into the NFL draft. I thought it was outrageous to take him in the first. round of the NFL draft just as a, you know, as a talent, his production profile is not that good. But when you look at the investment that a team did make in him, and then the opportunity

that he has to be on the field, add that to a quality offense and a good quarterback, there's a lot of, like, I'm not going to get stuck up on my, you know, prospect scouting and say I didn't love the guy, so I can't see how he could score a ton of fantasy points. So would you go Adunzee, though, who, again, another practice support today, the Red Zone guy for Caleb Williams. Would you go Adunzee over a Golden, Mike? Do you believe in a bigger breakout potential for Adunzee than

Golden? I don't this pick, I think we go a wide receiver here. Between Rome, Matthew Golden, and Josh Downs, though, I think it is an extremely difficult. I would agree. That's team makeup. That's team makeup. That might be an ADP gamble, too, with just

like, you know, if you go adunese here and we come back and we want to take Golden at the next pick or we take you know. You got to know your league and I think in this one. The one where we're telling everybody what we're going to do. Yeah, that one. But also the ADP is, we're in the eighth ADP's out the window. So what would

your vote be? My vote would be a slight adunzee lean over Golden. That would be mine as well. That's fine. All right. So we'll take a dunzae Adam to the stable of wide receivers that we've got as we try to piece this thing together. Addison does go next. So,

the two suspended guys going in the eighth round of a 10 team here Kelsey off the board another tight end Matthew Golden of course Now see here's the real problem What's that? I know for a fact that

So Jake took Matthew Golden And there's no chance He takes Matthew Golden In any draft under the sign I also don't think Matt takes Josh Downs This is the biggest Bears fan On the planet He does not want to watch Matthew Golden

whatsoever. Now, yes, that is probably O'Don's a payback, but that's also like he should be muting the TV out in the lobby where he's drafting. So Matthew Golden off the board, Tyler Warren, I love that pick here. I was going to bring up Warren with her next pick just for the thought exercise of like,

you know, don't hate it. If you're super late in the draft, you've got a huge upside tight end, it's a position of power and it's like, could you flex this dude on a certain week if you needed to just have the conversation. Yeah. I don't think that's a terrible idea. Now, in this league specifically, we're only drafting 11 players.

Really hard to draft two tight ends. For sure. In this format, but in your normal league, I think that that is something you look at, no matter if you took one of the early tight ends, you can still pull the trigger on a Loveland or a Warren if you believe that there is a true break-in, breakout potential. So Baker-Mayfield did go off the board. We talked about looking at quarterback here, so Brooks took his quarterback.

At this point, there are two teams other than us. don't have a quarterback. I still think, you know, we like Knicks. We'd be okay with Kyler. We'd be okay with Dak. I mean, is there one, is this a position where you want to take Knicks to combine him with Harvey's past catching just to get a little bit of like control over your quarterback position? To me, it just depends on is there another player at one running back or wider receiver that we like. There is for me as well. There's one personal player. So there's a running back that Mike I know really wants here. Yeah, yeah. I had to off the air message Andy because we keep getting destroyed by

these people who are listening to us. And because I was like I think we got, wide receiver was the correct pick of those three players. And it was we need a running back to come back to us. Do you see who it is? I see who it is and it was, so I did not know

that. And that is who I was going to say we have to take him. Jordan. Yep. Jordan Mason is the pick. We take him two. You fools. When we didn't say it out loud, you didn't know who to grab. Apparently we got be all sneaky like. We're trying to help the footland here.

Jordan Mason, two rounds. Which we did. Two rounds after Aaron Jones. That's the interesting thing. A little more than two rounds behind Aaron Jones. Could be a co-starter situation. And this is one of those, Mike on the tips and tricks yesterday, said, you know, Minnesota is one of those kind of like the starter may or may not be, like,

Aaron Jones is going to come up against the wall at some point. Aaron Jones is going to be turning 31 very soon. And I know, look, I know he got the money, but. Yeah, it's not a day. disrespect to Aaron Jones. A 31-year-old running back, breaking down or losing a little bit by game five or so, while you have Jordan Mason, who on the ground was awesome last year. I wish he caught passes.

Jordan Mason, not a great pass catcher. And right now, I would still take Aaron Jones ahead of Jordan Mason personally because of the pass catching. Yeah, I would too. Jordan Mason is, he is going to get a ton of work this year. He will be a weekly startable running back for fantasy football. who is in the situation where, should Aaron Jones go down, he becomes a top 10 running back probably. So we did go Jordan Mason.

Scataboo went next. You see a run of some tight ends going. This is one of the things that we're not sitting here worrying about tight end, obviously because we got McBride in the third. But Hawkinson, Noghoku, and Andrews go in the next run here. Bo Nix off the board and DAC off the board. So those two teams that didn't have quarterbacks listening in, making sure we don't have those two guys.

One player I never bring up, I know there will be people out there that are happy I mention him for a moment. We've got Jemir Gibbs. We've got an offense as the top five offense. Most of the quarterbacks are off the border with the last one to take one. That's our only available stack at the position would be Jared Goff. We never. Oh, we have another stack sitting right in front of us, man. Who do we have sitting for us?

Trey McBride. Oh, we do have the Kyle. Oh, forget that, dude. I'd rather go Kyler. Yeah. I just, we never taught, I mean, that disrespect went right back. Look, we never taught golf, though. Golf has been one of the most consistent fantasy finisher.

He's, I like golf, but I think that it's a little more scary this year with all of the change and the defense being better. Now, do we take Kyler or do we, since everyone's listening, everybody drafting, do we go with another position and force these knuckleheads to take Kyler? To think about taking Kyler and ruining it for us? No, I would just, I would take Tyler, because that's what I would actually do right here. I want to stop for one second, though. And so Owl at the 10.05 took Joanne Jennings, who I know he has a calf injury right now. But Joanne Jennings, a world exists where it's not Ricky Pearsall as the wide receiver one for the team. A world exists where Jennings is still that guy, which he was the one who had to step up last year with all the absences.

and injuries like, are you getting hurt and deba-deboing? So Jennings and the 10th is just such good value. Do you want me to take Kyler, Andy? Are you worried about? I thought I took him. I'm going to. Oh, did we freeze? Are we frozen here?

Yeah. No, we got him. We got it. We're back. We're back. Just refresh. Just refresh. We're good.

So I thought I took him. Yeah, you got him. We got Kyler. So Kyler McBride stack. The three of us. come together, we end up with the Kyler, Murray, Trey McBride stack. In the 10th, it's a value. Okay, so Kyler is off the board.

It is. I do love how this team is actually rounding out. I mean, we started top-heavy at running back. We've got one of the stud onesies in McBride, deep at wide receiver, and a mobile rushing quarterback in the 10th. I think that's how you build a roster. So, yeah, I think it's kind of come together nicely. We are the last ones to get a quarterback.

That puts us with Gibbs, Chase, Brown, Harvey, and Mason at Running Back? That feels good. That feels very good. Tyreek, Metcalf Hunter, and Adunzei. I think you are looking at, you know, a little bit of risk for all those guys, right? None of those are like risk-free players. And the UDK, they're going to have some risk. But it's a good group.

And then Kyla Murray and McBride as your stack. So, you know, Charbonnet goes next, Keenan Allen off the board, Jalen Blue, Naji, Ford, Kraft. you know, one thing that popped into my head. Kraft and the 11th is ridiculous. That's what I was going to say is like we talked about Dobbs being hurt, no Watson, no, no, Jaden Reed. Like, Kraft is going to be one of the biggest beneficiaries as well. I love Kraft this year.

I'll point out a couple names. You tell me if you like them, you've got other options. You can go Chris Godwin, stash them on IR. That would be another name. McClorin does not have a contract, Debo Samuel, who continues to catch touchdowns in camp over and over again. He's on the board. Jaden Higgins, another young name,

wide receiver on a division winning team in Houston on the board jaden reid's still out there if you look at wide receiver i like all of those names and i would say that if we look at our team we don't need a running back i really like how our running backs are wide receiver you could say we could take a high upside case and i think that's what you would swing the you know the bat for is you're looking for a home run here so that might be jaden higgins over adibo samuel I agree with that. Cooper Cup. The only other player that I might...

Is it a quarterback? Yeah. Is it Jared Goff? No. Or is it Justin Fields? No. Okay. Hold on.

Hold on. Keep scrolling. You got to scroll like... Jordan Lutz. It's Drake May. It's probably Drake May. It's not Drake May. It's not Drake May.

Keep swiping. No, you got to do like the two finger and you show up the whole page. Nope. Vincent Testaverty. Closer. Closer. Drew Brees. Anthony Richardson.

There it is. Hey. No. God, no. First try. No. That's so. stupid.

Sure. No, no, none taken when you call me so stupid. I would go Justin Fields over Richardson if you're going. I'll go 16 other names. Here's why I wouldn't, and let me just make my case here. I am not saying that all the other, like Anthony Richardson right now, Justin Herbert's on the board, Jared Goff's on the board, Brock Purdy's. Those are all better than Anthony Richardson.

We've got Kyler. Even the best Richardson's worse than those guys. The only, the only reason to take a second quarterback here is for the chance that it's like, it's that guy who's a top three. quarterback. You don't believe that. I do believe that. There is no chance I mean, the other names on this board, Drake May, infinitely better chance to be that

special player. Richardson can't be better than that. Jordan Love, been a top five. Justin Fields, he's done it before. Richardson is not the pick. You're a wild man. I'm a wild man with my belief in his fantasy ability. Okay. But I'm not going to

I'm not going to debate that. We're too far away. That's just a last pick. Mike, you make the pick and don't pick that guy. If we're going to go quarterback, I would take fields looking at the running back position. Javante's still there.

Yeah. If you want to hate yourself. Yeah, not in this format. You've got to aim higher of what I've talked about with Tank Bigsby and the coach. His name is escaping me right now. Liam Cohen? The new Cohen system, like where

both Bucky and Rashad White caught a whole bunch of passes. I know Tank's not a good pass catcher, but the ball might just be thrown at him a whole bunch, even if he doesn't want it to be. And then at the wide receiver position, it's wild that Jaden Reed is, might go undrafted in this. Or do you, or the Godwin or Brandon Ayuk stash. So, because of I.R. That was like 20 names. Which one are you taking? No, I gave you like five names. So which one are you taking? I would just, who are you going to take, Mike? Uh, let's go. let's go with Godwin

okay yeah you get you get an extra player right you get to you get to throw them on there and then you get another and then I'll go to the waiver wire and either pick up fields or Braylin Allen so did you take Chris Godwin oh you want me to actually do it no that's fine I'll do it I know how to do that you know um

well you've always known how to draft them yeah that's never really been the issue you've never known how to just like you just don't know how to not draft look at them like flirting has been a problem for you right right you just go right I'm a quick command can we go love it for a site you marry me yeah

So Godwin's the pick. Debo, Shakir, Braylon Allen. Oh, Lovelland. Kyle. Rashad White, Colson, Loveland. That's who we should have taken. Ray Davis. You think? Yeah. Why is that? You're in a Lovelin mood? Because I believe in both Loveland and Tyler Warren and in a 10-teamer at that point. He's taking everything in me to not spend the rest of the show talking about how bad I think Anthony Richardson is. All right. So our team we ended up with, I think it came, I think it became a very good team. It wasn't like Chase Brown was somewhere down in the ADP at that point. So it was going to be, you know, I think if we were staring down a running back choice there, I think

we would have come to the Chase Brown conclusion if we went running back. I would agree with that. Because Mike is all about Chase Brown. You obviously believe in him. He's the highest guy on my board at that point. So we end up with him. Gibbs, Chase Brown, RJ Harvey, Jordan Mason, Tyreek, Metcalf, Hunter, Odunzee, and then Godwin. And I feel good about that. And then Kyler McBride, getting me Bride in the third, around after Bowers. I feel good about that too. The onesie stack. I love it. So there you go.

We'll let you take a look at the entire draft board if you're over on YouTube, check it out, share all of your tips on how to draft on Sleeper on the YouTube comments, which are crazy, by the way. Yeah, what are you doing on YouTube? I don't know what's going on in the YouTube comments. But we see you. I know that when we talked about mowing your lawns

about doing the show, that was a big deal. It was a bigger deal than I knew. So I don't know what else we can mention that you might be doing the moment you're listening to the show. I don't know. Are you putting on pants right now and listening to the show? Congratulations. Mike is not because of the Trayvion Henderson News.

He's not putting on pants ever again. Never. So thank you for all the comments. Combiners have just been very forward. You know what I mean? Yes. Yeah. They've been blunt.

Yeah, they've been very blunt. My guys. Tomorrow, the my guys are revealed. Super excited. Cannot wait to reveal them to you. We had some huge hits last year. Some worked out. Some didn't. That is the story of the my guys. You're taking shots. But I thought they did well. I thought last year they did pretty well. And then big names tomorrow. Next week we got breakout, sleepers, busts, and values episodes coming your way. So a lot going on. We've got the... the UDK for life live stream coming up

a giveaway somebody's going to win a UDK for the rest of their natural life including a signed Jamar Chase Jersey will be giving away as well so we'll be with you on a Monday live stream after the show and I think that does it

did you guys feel how do you feel about the team I didn't give you a chance to kind of just like weigh in with your thoughts no I genuinely really like it I think that we have the upside at each position that you want and we have the depth that you require So it worked out really well.

I like the Kyler McBride stack, especially for value. In the third round and in the 10th round, that's what, you know, when you're not forcing the stack and you let both of those picks come to you, I like it a lot. I felt like it was pretty good for a draft

in which everyone can read our minds because we're saying our minds out loud. Mike, did you feel satisfied? Yeah, I like it. All right, that'll do it for today's episode. Shout out to the Ducers over there who were also producing the show and drafting at the same time.

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