Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Mock Draft Mayhem + Baller Battle - Fantasy Football Podcast for 7/15

Episode Date: July 15, 2023

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Scotiabank you're richer than you think. And now we turn to the world of sports. The football season is upon us, and that means it's time to get ready for your fantasy football drafts. The ultimate draft kit from the fantasy footballers is the cat's pajamas, and only tool you need. The best rankings in the business, sleepers, breakouts, values. It's even got a free companion app.

Don't be a pigeon-livered foozler. the ultimate draft kit will keep you on the up and up and keep all the hornswogglers at bay don't even think about entering a fantasy football draft without it don't be a square head to ultimate draft kit.com today a day. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Oh, welcome in. It's mayhem time. Yeah, it is. Mike succumbing to the will of the people. I. That elected him.

Felt like a puppet. Yeah, yeah. Just pull the strings and I'll say the word, Bart. Say the word. Dance for me, boy. Thank you, Mike. Thank you for dancing for us. You're welcome.

Welcome into the show. One and all. Saturday, July 15th. It's my anniversary. Oh, congratulations. Yeah. And I'm going. Oh, congratulations. Yeah. And I'm going to celebrate with some mayhem. Some mayhem.

Yeah. We've got a mock draft mayhem episode. We have never, ever given this power to Jason. Mistakes have been made, you fools. I agree. And I am excited to see what happens i will take this responsibility very irresponsibly so i want you to know that that's a very responsible thing of you to say thank you i'm confused is it responsible or it's a huge responsibility that i will misuse okay yeah and uh so you're wild you're no spider-man oh i mean that our friendly neighborhood is wrecked if i'm with

great power comes great disaster yeah with that power comes cool tricks like that's what i'd be doing i wouldn't be saving people i'd be be like, check this out. He would be just, like, sticking random people up on walls. Yes, I would. You would. Oh, for sure. As you walk by. Get out of this. Get out of this.

You'd be using it to just, like, retrieve items in the grocery store for your cart. Oh, yeah. I'm not moving at all. My legs would have no muscles soon. I'd just be pulling myself everywhere on strings. Well, we're happy you're with us, Foot Clan. It's a Saturday episode, a mock draft episode. Very much looking forward to it.

Should be fun. The football season is so very close. I believe it's like 54 days away, something like that. And, you know, it's here. We're going to be into it. We're going to have so many camp reports to talk about. Our rankings, which are in the Ultimate Draft Kit, on the website, thefantasyfootballers.com,

this is the time of year very soon where we will see some changes. I mean, you've got to stay water. That's been a principle on this show. And I'm not going to pretend it is super easy to do. It is not. Because you sit here and we get in debates with one another. And we have opinions about players that go back years, opinions on players that go back months,

and both of those can cause what we sometimes call take lock. You can just believe something about a player, and you do your rankings, and you get it ready for the ultimate draft kit, and then you get new information, and you have to be willing to change your mind, even if it means agreeing with one of you. That is correct. That's well said.

And the worst thing that could happen this summer is if I was convinced that Alexander Madison was going to be a thing. So that's what I'm talking to my therapist about. He's going to be a thing. It's just how big of a thing. That is the question. But there will be updates the ultimate draft kit is changing every single day every single week we are we're moving uh players around stat lines around

new information new adjustments stay water win at your draft uh you can find us on youtube youtube.com slash the fantasy footballers twitter at the ff ballers instagram.com slash the fantasy footballers. Twitter at the FF ballers. Instagram.com slash fantasy footballers. It's also that handle over on threads. And is there, is there a threads.com or anything? Threads.io. It's a.net. It's a.net.

It's a.net, brother. Hold on. Wait, that's a joke. No. Hold on. Hold on. No, no. Go for it, Mike.

Take it. I mean, give them what they deserve. Give them what they deserve. I on. Give them what they deserve. I'm just checking in. Zuckerberg, one of wealthiest people in the history of the world. That's correct. Rolling with the.NET. That is correct.

Okay. That's real? That's not a joke. Threads.NET is the website. I mean.NET hasn't been used outside of the 90s when it was like, well, oh, there's another one. You could go.com or.net. Is this like we're doing a vintage cool throwback to when URLs were.net? I mean, literally, if you go to the website, it says get the app.

So I would have gone with threads.app if you couldn't get the.com. Wow. But we went with.net, which I don't know if we even have the fantasyfootballers.net. No, of course not. Nobody's been like, well, now we got to go get it. All right, make it happen, somebody. Look,.net, it's all the rage. Yeah, that's on Al.

Al, take care of it. Use your own money. All right. What's that cost? Like 99 cents a year? For.net? Yeah. They're just giving them away on the street corners.

If you've ever- You want a.NET? You got a.NET? If you've ever go to- This is the nerdiest conversation of all time, by the way. But if you've ever gone to buy a website, the.COM is always like a premium price, and they try and talk you into.NET. And.Biz.

And they're like, it only costs, you know, five cents. Just add it. Just please, please add it on. Take over. Someone grab this. It's also available for every website. You want Coke.net? Still available.

Nike.net? Yeah, probably available. You know? They're like, why do I need that? Threads.net? Get out of here. Neither of you knew that. That's funny.

Yeah, I don't know why, but it is. And I guess we're there too. So jointhefoot.com is the community. Our quick question of the day comes in from Alan in Chicago. It's a good one. It is. He says, I heard you guys, and we forget this sometimes from the lingo. He says, I heard you guys talking about drafting from a 1Z position

or a 1Z position or something like that, and I have no clue what you guys talking about drafting from a onesie position or a onesie position or something like that, and I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you please explain? My Google searches have come up with nothing. Try Google.net for the next one. Still available. So the terminology, we're just going with the slang word as a onesie, as in if you've ever had a baby, you put them in a onesie. Because it's just, it's one piece of clothes or clothing, whatever.

I don't know. How would you say it? Don't focus on that. Go on with the description. So, and then you button it. So, it's just, it's a one piece. And the first time I ever heard the terminology, I think it was from J.J. Zacharyson and Denny Carter, and it was just like that's a fun way to describe a position

where you only need one of them. Yeah, so that's all it means. It's singular. It's a onesie quarterback and tight end. In most leagues, there's one of them. Yeah, if you're in a super flex league, it's just tight end, or kicker if you've got a kick. Technically, there are twosie positions.

Right, and threesies. And they're running backs and wide receivers. But no one wears a twosie. I think it's just tight end or kicker if you've got to kick. Technically, there are two Z positions. Right. And they're running backs and wide receivers. But no one wears a two Z. Some people have to. Should it be called a bikini? You know, it's a two piece. Oh, that's the two Z? Yeah, for your bikini position.

Try that out. I'm going to work on that. It's going to catch on. Yeah. So that's all we mean is that if you're drafting a onesie position that is a quarterback generally or a tight end or a kicker or a defense. Yep. So anything you only have one on your starting roster.

Which we do have a fantasy football 101 explaining the acronyms and positions and articles to get people ready. The fantasyfootballers.com. That is.net. That is correct. Soon to be. Soon to be.antasyfootballs.com. That is.net. That is correct. Soon to be. Soon to be.net. It's coming back.

I assume we're going to forward the.com to the.net, right? Already done. It's already done. Yep, it's forwarding to our website. Al is taking care of it. One of the benefits of recording the show. I'm checking on coke.net, guys. Good, good.

It's a really long load. I don't know if anything's here. 50 cents. I think the people running.net thought about just doing the big power switch and turning it off. Like just letting it all go. Al see if coke.net is available. That could be lucrative.

Check that out. Okay. We don't have a lot of news. The only thing I'm going to mention, and we've been talking about it, you know, came out about Saquon Barkley. Now it's out about Josh Jacobs. Monday is the deadline for signing a long-term agreement.

Neither player has committed to being present. They both said they're going to hold out. This report coming from Fox 5 Las Vegas says he's going to skip the beginning of training camp if they don't reach a long-term agreement. Anecdotally, and from the names that I was looking at, players that missed some time, it didn't matter. They all performed. They all had big years.

Obviously, if the holdout somehow went all the way up to the cusp of the season, one thing that was neat hearing from Josh Jacobs, because this was an interview, I saw an interview with him, a local interview, and he was just talking about this was an interview. I saw an interview with him, a local interview, and he was just talking about this was the first season, despite that workload. You know, he had all that work. It's the first season he's never had bumps, bruises, or anything to rehab.

So he went into the offseason completely healthy, and so all of his workouts and all of his routines were not predicated on rehab for the first time in his career. So I'm not worried now, but like I said, we like to have these things buttoned up as fantasy players. When you start moving players that high up your rankings, Josh Jacobs sits at like three in our consensus, three or four. At running back.

At running back. He's number four for me. That is a high draft capital pick. Saquon's really up there. Both of those players, you want to know what you got, but you've got time. Yeah, Saquon's three for me. So there is risk, and I don't blame anybody for bypassing them. I think the expectation right now for both players

is that they will not get a long-term deal, and they will not be there for the start of training camp, and they will be there for the entirety of the season. All right, you guys ready to experience Jason with mayhem power? Not really. Yeah, me neither. The Fantasy Footballers Mock Draft. Well, I'm going to explain what's going to be happening here.

If you're joining us for the first time for a mayhem mock draft, Mike is my nemesis. We're going head to head per usual yeah and jason sits in the driver's seat with three mayhems that he can use on each of us during the draft now you can only use each of these one time per person you have the ability to veto a pick, which will force the drafter to choose again. The ability to replace a pick. In essence, your choice. That one is disturbing me already. And then the third one, opponent's choice.

You'll give me the power to pick for Mike in a spot. And so we need to check with you before we lock our picks into the draft. Yeah, yeah. Good reminder because you weren't great at that last time around, Andy, and I will back this thing up. Yeah, I'll do my best. So we are jumping in, and we're going to do a 12-team half PPR, one quarterback, two running back, two wide receiver,

one tight end, one flex four bench. Brooksy picked some random starting spots for us. And Mike got the 104. And I am at the 110. And so without further ado, we are going to begin this Mayhem Mock draft. And there's part of me that Jason's so excited for this draft, I'm worried that the first six picks will be his six mayhem. And then I'll just, and then he'll be out.

It's like you guys enjoy the rest of the show. I'm on break, but let's begin this draft. Justin Jefferson goes with the one Oh one. Okay. Christian McCaffrey, Austin Eckler at the one Oh two and one Oh three. At this point, we get a hand the baton over to Mike.

His first pick, maybe, of this draft. Well, I guess it'll be your first pick no matter what, but whether it's who you want, we'll find out. Yes, that's a more accurate representation. Coke.net is taken. Oh, come on. Keep searching. Search all the big brands. If I'm inside the top five picks, I feel great.

Because I'm in the fourth, I don't think that there's anything that Jason can do to harm me. I think he understands that as well. Because here, with the two running backs that went, now it's down to Jamar Chase, Cooper Cupp, and Tyreek Hill for me. I do have Jamar Chase ranked as my highest wide receiver that would be i was gonna make it short and simple that would be my pick you are allowed to pick yeah i figured yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna hold on to these a little bit that would have been great because

then i would have just taken cooper cup well uh I realized at the 110 what I was rooting for. So Mike went with Jamar Chase. Cooper Cup went next. Saquon Barkley. Travis Kelsey at the 107. He's just always going there right now. Tyree Kill and Jonathan Taylor. This is good news for what I wanted to do,

because I also feel a little bit protected from mayhem in this situation, because there are two players that I have ranked three and four at the running back position. what I wanted to do because I also feel a little bit protected from mayhem in this situation because there are two players that I have ranked three and four at the running back position I was rooting for one of them to get back to the 110 those two players Nick Chubb Josh Jacobs and so I am sitting here with both on the table so my selection here will be the higher ranked of my group, a player that I would be thrilled to get in any draft I could. Nicholas Chubb will be the selection if I am permitted to make it. This is the worst part.

I have to ask permission to make my draft pick? I do feel. Look at the throne. Please, Father, may I make my draft pick? I do feel... Look at the throne and ask. Please, Father, may I make my draft pick? So right now, in this very first round, I think mayhem can be caused by pushing the onesie on either one of you. Travis Kelsey is gone.

I'm going to allow the entire first round to go how you guys want. So Nicholas Chubb can be the pick. You are allowed to make it. You guys are off to a great start and you're going to have such a good time here today. Well, it's a good start to the five running back situation that I had last time.

Maybe that should have been a pivot. Here we go. Nick Chubb off the board and then Bijan goes next. Stephon Diggs, CeeDee Lamb, and AJ Brown. Here I am with my number four running back on the board josh jacobs still available i would love to pair those two however however would you oh we're going quick we're going quick because it doesn't matter. I'm using my own here.

I am choosing the selection for you. Yeah, okay. Okay. And look, I'm just giving you the best football player on the planet. The number one player, the most important guy in the NFL. You get Patrick Mahomes in the second round. Okay. Congratulations, Andy.

So I'm riding some sort of Super Bowl high into my very, very high second round pick. This isn't the end of the second round. If you wanted Mahomes, though, you have to take him right there. But what if I didn't? Nick Chubb, Patrick Mahomes. You shouldn't have drafted him. Those at home. Now uh i love that my

watch is giving me alert it's your turn to pick in the footballers mock draft mayhem draft um nick chubb patrick mahomes is the start that i was forced into uh there you go josh jacobs went next i'm sorry josh i tried to draft you and i I can't. Devontae Adams, his teammate, goes next. Derrick Henry, Amon Ross, St. Brown, and Tony Pollard at 208, who we talked about on our last episode. Now Mike is sitting here in the second round. Jamar Chase already on the roster. Quick turn after this pick, and I'm going to hand it over to you.

So at this point, looking at the running back position, Brees Hall, man, Brees Hall is such a tough pick right here for the multiple reasons of when will he really be ready to go off of the ACL injury and the murky cloud that is Dalvin Cook. We still don't know where he's going to sign. We may not know where Dalvin Cook is going to sign until August, and that creates a very difficult situation for Brees Hall. Ramondre Stevenson, I have him ranked as, we've been over this, a top five running back, also known as my number three.

So if I were taking a running back, that's where I would go. I think, yeah think yeah oh man I have I have a couple backup running backs I like as well and then at the wide receiver position it's still really strong Garrett Wilson Jalen Waddle T Higgins is probably out for me because I don't because I'm not going to build a Bengal super stack here with my first two picks and then chris alave so if i had my pick i am i'm gonna take garrett wilson nice try loser mayhem it's you know it's a really long draft i know pace yourself oh no i don't know how to pace myself i have very little self-control, Michael.

Here's the truth. I gave Andy a onesie. We had a quick question on a onesie, and it only feels fair for this mano-a-mano draft to do something that we don't usually do and have both head-to-head drafters taking a quarterback early. I love this guy. You get Josh Allen, Yes. The current highest ranked average draft position. So both you guys

are set up to experience from different parts of the draft. What is it like in 2023 where these quarterbacks are going? This is their average draft position. They're going in the anywhere from the early second to the early third round. The big three are. I know it's gross. I don't

like it. Of course you don't. That's why we're doing a little bit of mayhem here I will say that personally I have bypassed these three guys because I think right now if they if they repeat what they did last year not just them but the entire quarterback position where it's those three lapping the field um then it's worth it but history doesn't repeat itself like that. So I do think it's a bad pick that I have made you take. At least I got Josh Allen who led all quarterbacks in top five performances, top five, 11 of them. Josh Allen, he's currently my number one quarterback. So I guess he's better than that loser number two, Patrick Mahomes.

When you gave me Mahomes, I was hoping for Allen there for Mike. I really was. I was hoping you would go for Mike. I really was. I was hoping you would go that route. The second round has concluded. I have Chubb and Mahomes, Mike as Chase, and Allen after Allen with Garrett Wilson, Jalen Waddell, and Brees Hall, who you were talking about.

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All right, back into our Mayhem Mock Draft. Jason has used two of his mayhems, one for each of us, and saddled us with Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen in the second round. This is interesting because while, Mike, you said that maybe Jason could pace himself. Yeah. However, he put us in a position where he knows what our strategy now is. He knows the holes we have to fill when you invest in a onesie position that high, and that's not necessarily good for us.

So Jalen Hurts starts off the third round to Team 1. Mark Andrews went next. Ramondre at 3-0-3. Maybe, Mike, before the break you were groaning. Was that because Ramondre could have been your selection? Yes, it was. I feel like at some point in this offseason mike might start selecting remandre at the 101 102 range i mean you are really why not you are really go get your guys remandre um okay so mike you're on the clock chase and alan on the team yeah all right so i have a sweet quarterback

here in the second round uh the running back position, unfortunately, Ramondre did go. Najee, ETN are the highest ADP. Running backs don't necessarily love it. And then at the wide receiver position, T. See, what you should have done, Jason, is just put T. Higgins on my team because that would have been absolute. And then put Joe Burrow on his team next.

Well, you can only do one. He could have given me the pick. I would have known what to do. Very fair, but you screwed it up. So Chris Olave would end up being my pick here. Generally speaking, I want Higgins because I have him ranked higher, but just for roster construction, I'm not sure I want to just completely ride or die

every single week with the Bengals wide receivers. I want to spread it out a little bit. So I would be picking Chris Olave here. So now you have a wide receiver and a quarterback, and you're just saying that you think the wide receivers on the board are just that much more valuable than the current running backs left yeah so so t higgins and alave to me those guys are in a different type of tier where the running backs are i mean down

through the next i don't know eight guys or so i'm if one of them comes back to me i'll be pretty happy there's a chance there is certainly a chance that If one of them comes back to me, I'll be pretty happy. There's a chance. There is certainly a chance that none of them make it back to me. I will allow you to select the wide receiver here. Chris Olave? Yep. You can grab Chris Olave so that you start without a running back

through those first three rounds and see how that progresses. Yeah, yeah. That's a good idea. DK Metcalf goes next nashi harris that's the name that i want to acknowledge mike was uh maybe giving i don't know a bit of a downgrade too in light of drafting olave over him debo higgins davante smith now i'm not thrilled that five whiteouts went off the board in the third round and four after my last pick. So nine wide receivers off the board is thinning out that group quite a bit for me. I don't have one on the roster. If I'm looking at names here, Keenan Allen and Amari Cooper are the top by ADP.

Once you move beyond those two, you, you, you enter a question mark. Uh, that's why I took a lobby question mark party of, of Ridley and, you know, Hopkins and London and Watson and that's not a group I really enjoy very much at running back ETN still on the board. I like that. Took him in the last mock draft. Jameer Gibbs. I like that.

I'm going to try to ignore the fact Jason is sitting there lurking in the corner. I'm going to try to logically, because I want to take him in stride. I'm going to be a man about this. I'm not going to try to out-engineer Jason. I'm going to try to go with my thought processes here. And I would like, I think Etienne and Gibbs are equivalent. So I think my next pick is going to be Keenan Allen here in the third round. And.

Yeah, I'm going to do it. I don't think you were. I don't think you were going to do it. You know, I thought hard about it. Where are we going here? I do think, I'm going to give you the pick, Mike. I'm going to let you put whoever you want on his roster. I think that Keenan Allen is a large different tier

than every other wide receiver available, so taking him off. I think it just kind of hurts the most. Just a little twist of the knife. I'm not bleeding you out here. I don't know. I think you just felt the button calling your name right there. Because I got a quick turn here. I thought you were going to go ETN, and I wasn't going to do the button.

I wanted to see kind of Mike with the two wide receivers and a quarterback, you with two running backs and a quarterback. I didn't get to finish the thought, but ETN and Gibbs I look at very similarly in terms of getting them. So I was going to wait for one of them in the fourth round. There you go. Well, Mike gets to select your pick. So I'm trying to balance having a good time because I get to make Andy's pick. With chucking me off a bridge.

Yeah, I get it. I get to make Andy's pick. With chucking me off a bridge. Yeah, I get it. I get it. But also, like, you know, I mean, but I want to follow your rankings. And it might be a little bit of a stretch here, but you are – I guess you're coming back pretty quick. But whatever. I'm going to – I mean, I'm going to follow your rankings. Your tight end three is – he's still on the board.

Wow. I mean, you got to go get your guys, right? Yeah. My guys. You got it. You got him as your number. I'm looking right now. Number three tight end does not mean third round.

That's not what that means. But it's Dallas Goddard. I mean, that's kind of a surprise that he's ranked that high for you so that's that's my but i i mean i was going to give you tj hockinson because that's always just a funny thing to do but i don't want to do that when you give me i don't want to abandon the way that you have projected these tight ends you have you have george or uh dallas goddard finishing higher than tj hockinson so i'm gonna go with that route oh my god i mean there's part of me that respects the rankings argument. That's good.

I'm not the mayhem here. I thought he'd go like a Murray Cooper or something. Here's a question I have for Brooks. Do I still have that one left in mind? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's good.

Definitely. Nick Chubb, Patrick Mahomes, and Dallas Goddard. I mean, I had two onesie positions. I had considered going Kyle Pitts. That just would have been a good time. But that would be against your rankings too much. Thanks, Mike. Too much.

So, highs available. So much respect. I think there's a good chance Andy has you draft Larry Fitzgerald. Well. He's not in the system, so we'll just make a note. The best part would have been if Keenan Allen had just swung right back to me. Or ETN. Or ETN, and neither did. After my selection of Dallas Goddard in the third.

Yeah, that's you, Mike. Travis ETN, Kenneth Walker, Keenan Allen. Hey. Joe Burrow. We're having a laugh here, but I will make a serious point. Sometimes not right there because Andy was coming back so quickly on the turn, but taking guys a little bit out of ADP, and you might get some chuckles in the room, it's okay.

Be willing to stand with your process and your projections and take some players you have ranked higher. Play the ADP game, so don't take Dallas Goddard in the third. But, you know, we're all right. Okay. What's Dallas Goddard's ADP? Not there. 6-0-6. all right okay where what's dallas goddard's adp not there 606 i didn't know you know what i didn't know it was mayhem has lots of definitions i didn't know it was that egregious uh i really enjoy the great value then in the sixth round the last he is he's not not not bad there um

the last mayhem episode went really poorly for andy ah and this one has gone so far pretty poorly interesting yeah it's very interesting um i knew that there was going to be a disadvantage in this mayhem drafting at the 110 because as mayhem proceeds, there is that top group that gets, you know, an early pick. I feel like helps stabilize a little bit. So I went Nick Chubb, Mahomes, and Goddard. I have no wide receivers. I've got one running back. It kind of takes Amari Cooper off the table for me here

that he shares a roster with Nick Chubb. I can't have my top two in the two positions. Bikinis. In the twosies, in the bikinis. My top two bikinis cannot beat Chubb and Cooper. And then you see that massive wide receiver teardrop. So I've still got a handful of running backs that I find in the upper echelon. And so I'm going to go back to the running back well,

and I'm going to piece my wide receivers together later, which is the cost of Mahomes Goddard. Yeah. Mike's so tickled with himself. So the choice here is Jameer Gibbs, Joe Mixon, Aaron Jones. Those are the three in consideration. When I'm looking at that you know the workload for Jameer Gibbs is going to be a question mark

David Montgomery is very good very capable the explosiveness is there for him Aaron Jones you know what you're going to get I think he's underrated he's next in ADP Joe Mixon ADP is going to change if we know he's back and healthy.

Yes, it will. Because I took Goddard, and I don't feel as secure with the Goddard pick, I'm going to go with Joe Mixon here in the fourth round. I'm going to go to secure that 300 touches along with Nick Chubb and bank on that, stabilizing my roster. I hit the button, Jason. Do I have to undo it?

Yeah, no, no, no. Do I have to undo it? You are absolutely good. You didn't want to go three straight picks for me? I was curious whether you would go Mixon or Jameer Gibbs. I knew it would be between those. Gibbs would have been the pick had I been able to take Keenan Allen because Allen is much safer than the Goddard pick.

Yeah, that makes sense. All right. Well, Chubb, Mahomes, Goddard, Mixon, not the roster I was expecting. Chase, Allen, Olave for Mike. After Mixon, Aaron Jones did go. Lamar Jackson, Gibbs, Omari Cooper, and Calvin Ridley.

All right. I am on the clock. I played the game. I took someone who I think can be an elite wide receiver in Chris Olave and was hoping that a couple of running backs fell to me, and they did. At the top of my list would be – so I have Miles Sanders and J.K. Dobbins right next to each other in my rankings. Miles Sanders, numerically, just a couple spots higher. But I do think I would take J.K. Dobbins here.

It certainly is a risky pick, but J.K. 2L, as I think he will be this year, going from one strong leg to two strong legs, I mean, a career average, I think he's over five a carry. When he's actually been on the field, he's been incredible. Problem is we haven't seen him a ton on the field. Five a carry on five carries. Yes.

That's actually what the numbers are. But I think that he is an electric player, and I'm in on the Ravens offense this year, and I think Dobbins will eat. So am I drafting Jake? Of course not. Okay, all right, all right. Come on.

That's mayhem. There's two great running backs that your team needs here there's no chance i'm i'm i'm surviving today if i didn't give andy this pick after after you give him goddard if i'm just like yeah you're good mike i would i would walk out of here and you just punched me so andy you're you have the power. How you feeling, Mike? Hey, I used your rankings. You know, that's the funny thing is that I just looked yours up. Oh, really? And I thought to myself, I should use Mike's rankings.

And you know what? Oh, I have them at three. Oh, no. I have Dallas Goddard. No, no, no. Oh. I was going to use your rankings, but I feel punitive right now. Oh, okay.

And so rather than go with Kyle Pitts on the board, I'm going to go with a player you have ranked higher than my tight end so you don't feel bad. Because my tight end, you have ranked lower than this tight end. Yes. And so I just think that because Ridley's off the board, maybe there's a run on Jacksonville players. Oh, his dude.

I think Ingram you grab here to secure that position. Okay. I think you have Evan Ingram. It doesn't even make sense. You have him at six. Yeah, but I have. You have Goddard at seven. I mean, you could have at least given me TJ Hawkinson or George Kittle.

I think when you see that name in the draft, it's going to be too hard to resist. Okay. All right. I have selected Evan Ingram, everybody. Oh, man. So that's great news for me. This is a great just brawl. Just put the gloves on and go at it.

Well, I started a tight end run, so how do you feel about that? You did take Evan Ingram, whose ADP is not in the fourth, I don't think. He's got to be in the ninth round. I'll be honest, both the Goddard and Ingram, the mayhems, they feel like it was called delete a pick. I feel like I deleted my third round draft pick. And so Mike needs to delete his fourth. Remember you're getting a fourth.

You're losing a four. Yeah. I'm losing around high. I know. So you're back on the clock. Pits is still there. If you want to double up, Justin Herbert,

Hopkins, Dobbins, Kittle, McLaurin, Hawkinson, starting the tight end run means that a running back did roll back to you. That's right. And so Chase Allen, Olave, Ingram is your draft.

I will be taking Miles Sanders unless you're going to burn your third pick. It is tempting to do that. And I assumed because there was Miles Sanders and J.K. Dobbins there, I assumed when only one of them came back, I was actually going to use this. I am not. And the reason I'm not is because if I use my final mayhem and allow you to switch your pick, I actually think Alexander Madison being there. Would become my pick.

Yeah, and he's fine. So I will allow you to have Miles Sanders. All right, Miles Sanders, baby, with Evan Ingram. Now, what I have left for my— ADP of Ingram, by the way, is 806, and you got him at 409. So that's a— A slightly worse deal than you got. Slightly worse deal than my 310, 610 for—I mean, probably about the same.

Both pretty bad. Man, you guys do this for a living? Look at these rosters. I would have gone with Hawkinson, but when I saw Ingram was up above Goddard, I just had to do it. Yeah, and the punitive nature. So the last mayhem that I have. Yeah, because I feel bad.

The last mayhem that I have are. So you must feel bad. That is right. Your own change your own mind. So I have one left for Mike where he gets to redo his pick and one left for Mike where he gets to redo his pick and one left for Andy where he gets to redo his pick. I thought you don't get to pick for us? That's not what you did.

I've already done that. He took our quarterbacks. Oh, that's right. That's right. So I'm going to hold on to that for when I don't like your pick. When you guys make a pick and I just think, eh, that's gross. That's not a good pick.

I'm going to help you guys out. The mayhem from here on out is just gonna be kindness well you guys have already murdered each other well yeah we're just showing what like look sometimes you know you're in uh you got some shoddy cell service and it goes out and you and you auto pick a guy who's you know four rounds later in ADP as that happens. Let's do the experiment. This is the self-service draft? Yes.

Chubb, Mahomes, Goddard, Mixon are my first four picks. Mike took Miles Sanders, and then London, Dalvin, Justin Fields, Cam Akers, and Christian Watson went next. My selection here, if I am permitted to make it, will actually be a wide receiver that has a firm grasp on the number one spot. There's been some positive, you know, take it for what you will, momentum video discussion about Kyler Murray getting back sooner than later. So if I'm permitted to make the pick, I'm going to go with the player I think

is a guarantee with Kyler there to have 10 to 12 targets a game because he's just a go-to receiver. So Hollywood Brown will be the pick. That is not a bad pick, which means you are allowed to make it. Okay. All right. Hollywood Brown selected. Thank you.

And then it's Godwin,ce lawrence and dj moore and i'm coming right back to another wide receiver that i think um proven is what i need here in the fifth and sixth round if i am permitted to make this selection it's not going to be a ceiling play like you know mike williams with a big week or the distribution of targets all over san franc with Brandon. I, you, it's not even going to be the tried and true value of Tyler Lockett, who will have Metcalf challenging him, uh, Jackson Smith and jig, but it will be the big boy with a streak of thousand yard seasons.

Mike Evans will be the selection. Interesting. If I am permitted to make it. Interesting. So I, I don't want to use these up too early but that's a terrible pick so mayhem yeah i i you know i thought you were gonna go lock it when you said tried and true you know

top 15 wide receiver every single year for you know many years running Mike Evans with Baker Mayfield is definitely not hitting that thousand mark this season I know he's done it a lot in the past but his days are done he's like Mike Evans has done it a lot Mike Evans has done it uh at a 100 clip yeah I would I would just we need to give some respect to a man who has done it every year of his career to call it a lot. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, a lot does not infer a hundred percent. Okay.

Then I followed it up with a hundred percent, but I do think Baker Mayfield. Less qualified quarterbacks. Are you saying Jameis Winston? Well, Jameis Winston threw for like 5,000 yards. Jameis Winston's a backup this year. Baker's a starter this year. Why isn't Jameis the starter? That's fair.

I mean, that's one thing to think about. So now I have to pivot. Thanks, bud. You're welcome. Hey, I'm all out for you. I tried to make a bad pick so that you would force me into it. Hollywood Brown, the targets are there. I'm going to go Jerry Judy. Jerry Judy's the pick.

I need to – I think he's firmly the one on that roster. I'm going to put some trust in Sean Payton. I'm a little afraid of some of these other names. I like Deontay. I'm not going to get the touchdown totals with Deontay that I want in that offense. I like Christian Kirk. No chance for emergence. Jerry Judy, I think solid baseline, high upside.

And I also didn't want to take Tyler Lockett because I feel like you wanted me to. I did want you to, but I wanted it for you. I wanted to help you. I don't know about that. Really? Yeah, because I have Dallas Goddard in the third, and you're also responsible for that. Well, no, I'm not. That was Mike. mike i thought mike was gonna give you like a marie cooper

yeah stack the browns with on your team yeah so judy and hollywood are the two wide receivers i picked up after my four rounds of chaos james connor michael pitman alexander madison yay he's gone yeah uh tyler lockett This didn't go well for me. Yeah, Lockett and Madison going before Mike is very advantageous for Andy. That would have been a very easy selection for me. So your first tight end was Ingram. Yes. Your first running back was Miles Sanders last round.

You have Chase and Olave, amazing. Josh Allen in the second. Who are you taking in the sixth? And you've got one left. Yeah, he does. The running backs, top of the board for ADP, DeAndre Swift. That goes against my morals. Yeah, you have not taken him or thought about taking him in any draft.

And I refuse to at this point as well Javante I still need more information of seeing him in training camp before I'm willing to make that and inherit that risk so that means you know we're talking about running backs like Rashad White just take the guaranteed volume in this at the back of the sixth I guess that's not the worst thing you could do we don't know for sure if this team is going to be any good I would project them to not be great and did they fix the offensive line and then there's David Montgomery sitting down there and I'm very interested in him and I think I can play the ADP game to have David Montgomery come back to me so then I flip over to the wide

receiver position. I'm with you, Andy. I think Mike Evans is still a very, very good wide receiver. And it's unfortunate that it is Baker Mayfield, but it is what it is. And I think that Mike Evans will still end the year with over a thousand yards. So you talk to me a little bit andy a little bit uh about brandon iuke because i feel like you you you were kind of having a surge in in moving him up and that seemed that the tide has now pulled away and that you're i'm softening you're already you're already kind of retracting from that and you and you haven't really mentioned it on the show. Yeah, no, it's not a retraction as much as a softening. I mean, last year this is a player with over 1,000 yards

despite the quarterback tumult, eight touchdowns. That vaulted him up to number 15, but 78 receptions. I like Brandon Ayuk a lot. I think he's a super talented receiver. What softened me a little bit was looking at into the splits with brock purdy when he had iuk and debo together and when he did and the fantasy points per game for debo were better than they were for iuk when both players were on the field so you know and my and my kind of belief that debo, he's just a freak. He's better than everybody in football at what he does.

He's a better running back than most running backs. He's a better wide out than most wide outs. But the main point, he's a better athlete than all of them. So it's this trust that Shanahan is just going to use Debo. And so I softened a little bit in that. Could I see this year going where Iuk's the leading receiver? Yes, absolutely. Ascendant talent.

But could I also see it where Debo emerges like he did two years ago? Yep, I can see that too. So the fact that there's ambiguity at all in that area is just, I'm not going to force it. I'm going to let Iuk come to me. I'm curious. I know we've been on this pick for a little while, but I am curious because we've

named so many wide receivers, both Andy's last pick and this pick, and neither one of you have mentioned who I think is the best wide receiver on the board, Mike Williams. That's actually my pick. I just wanted to get Andy's Brandon IU take before. No, no, no. I'm only mayhamming bad picks. That's a great

pick. Mike Williams is still ranked extremely high for me. I have him currently sitting at 16. I think the three of us are projecting a much better season for Justin Herbert, not dealing with the broken ribs. Was it his ribs? Yeah. He was playing through a ton of pain,

and it was just the ebbs and the flows of the touchdowns for a pocket passer. Herbert's still a great player, so I'm going to go with mike williams here uh mike williams is a perfect selection for a team that has jamar chase and crystal love it uh the consistency of mike williams isn't there obviously like the last 18 games he's played 47 of the time it was exceeding that 10 and a half point mark that we look at for consistency. That doesn't rate him very high, but this is exactly where you want those guys. Olave and Chase stabilizing Mike Williams blow up every other week and give me performances that will win me a week. So, yeah, that's a good pick.

Brandon Ayuk went next. DeAndre Swift, Christian Kirk. By the way, the reason I couldn't take Mike Williams, who I probably have ranked as high as Jerry Judy, is because of the team layout of my team compared to yours. I mean, that's not – relying on Mike Williams is nonexistent. That's not been a historical thing you can do. It's a player – 76 receptions is his career high.

And so, do I love him? Yeah. But I need to know he's on the field. Ayuk, Swift, Kirk, Rashad White, who I'm sure Mike would have loved to see sneak back, Dak Prescott and Javante Williams at 703, who I was dreaming of maybe coming all the

way back to me as well. Yeah, at that point, I think that that's worth... I think it's worth it. I don't know. So Mike's back on the clock here. Alright, perfect. I played the game with David Montgomery. He is know. So Mike's back on the clock here. All right. Perfect. I played the game with David Montgomery. He is my highest-ranked running back left on the board. We saw all the carries inside the five go to Jamal Williams.

Maybe they try and scheme some things up for their first-round pick, Jameer Gibbs, inside the five. But I think more often than not, they're going to try to be high-T, take the ball out of Jaredared goff's hands there and just give it to david montgomery who did get a he got an okay for a running back contract i mean guys are not getting money the lions gave him some money so i would be taking david montgomery here if i'm not hammed no he got the second most money uh on the running back market this is behind miles yep miles was just barely ahead of him.

Both of your guys will be, assuming you get this pick, free agents assigned with brand new teams. Yeah. What could go wrong? I do love both those picks. I was really sad when Swift and Rashad White and Jamal Williams went off the board. Javante, you did it again. Javante went off the board because I thought those.

Montgomery? Yep. Monty is good. Yeah, I had this hope that maybe some running backs would hang around. I was looking at Alvin Kamara in the seventh round, knowing that very likely a very slim suspension would have been a sneaky pick in the seventh round, I feel like. One that Jason would have approved.

Not that you can not approve anymore. Deontay went. Jackson smith and jigba waller burks um and so at this point with my homes and goddard which uh you don't get to consider burks here he's at uh he was taken right before you but it is worth at least mentioning nothing has happened yet i don't know what this cackling sorry sorry uh i'll reveal it in a moment but the uh the drafting sports book the line of of uh deandre hopkins going to the tennessee titans switched from kyle i don't know it was plus 500 to minus 300 so yeah so a massive massive swing of he might go there to at minus he'll probably end probably end up there. At minus 300, the books are saying we think that this is as close

to a sure thing as we can get, which Hopkins, I don't think it's not the end of Burks having an actual breakout campaign, but it certainly makes it. But it's also not the beginning. Yeah, look, it lowers the probability drastically. For a team that doesn't pass that much? Yeah, and Burks becomes the instant two in that situation. Hopkins would hop into the number one role.

I'm wondering if the sportsbook's updated, though, because Hopkins last night was commenting on hanging out with – They did. Kyle said it shifted to minus 175. So it's still minus, though. But there was some pub going around with him and Kansas City Chiefs. Oh, yeah. Of course.

That's produced by his team, and I'm producing some of that. No, him and Chris Jones were hanging out, and he was commenting on his IG stuff. Yeah, because he's like, please, Andy. Please don't make me go to the Titans. Wasn't it Lev Bell hanging out with Chris Jones as well right before he signed with the Jets? That's fair. He ended up on the Chiefs, though. This worked out so well for me okay it's so well guess you're still on the board and you can't stop it seventh round pick two rounds later Mike Evans you're welcome to my team you're so welcome you're a bad pick it really was It really was a bad pick. Yes. Now I got you both.

Well, I told you I'm here to help. That's honestly incredible. Mike Evans going at 7'10", where Godwin goes at 5'11", is ridiculous. I never would have been able to pair Judy Evans if I had drafted him in the other order. I mean, you're invited to my draft. You can hit mayhem buttons in my real draft. Yeah, I will, too. Pickens goes next, and then Dotson.

That's okay. I'm probably looking at running back again. I took, I mean, for a draft that had four non-wide receivers to start, two onesies in Mahomes and Goddard, to get Hollywood, Judy, and Evans as my wideouts, I feel really good about. Your team is looking all right. Dotson, Pacheco, and Addison right before me um running back options i'm going

with a player that i think is discount jameer gibbs i didn't get gibbs earlier so i'm going with james cook running back for the buffalo bills sure who i think is going to i've been trying to actively trade for him in leagues um He is becoming somebody that I'm kind of falling in love with. So, Kadarius Toney went next. Rashad Penny. Mike might have had his eyes on him. Juju. For sure.

Quentin Johnston and Deshaun Watson off the board. Oh, man. All right. This puts me in quite the pickle here because I have two players that I would love to draft here like really really love to but they're at the top of the 80 piece there is a there's essentially a zero percent chance I would get both of them Antonio Gibson yeah of the Washington Manders is here I'm rolling right now in the eighth with just Miles Sanders and David Montgomery. I mean, Gibson is by no means a lock to have a great season, but Smooches, a.k.a. J.D. McKissick, is going to –

does that button even exist anymore? No, we retired. If it did, he would have slammed it so hard it would have broke the desk. That got retired last year. Thank goodness. But with McKissick out of the way and Tony Gibson should see the the target share that he was seeing towards the second half of the year which was for an eighth round running back that is sensational and then the wide receiver I would take right here it's Brandon Cooks I again I don't think

he's being talked uh enough about he is the wide receiver, too, for the Dallas Cowboys. They traded for him when they knew that they needed to have a second wide receiver, and I think that Dak is still a good quarterback. So this, oh my gosh, this is incredibly difficult for me. I think at this point, because there's some other wide receivers who are interesting, oh, my gosh. Charbonnet's there. Khalil Herbert's there.

I'm going to take Antonio Gibson. Oh, you think so? You're right, because I wrote down it's Gibson or it's mayhem, because there's only one right pick at this spot. I think Antonio Gibson is perfect for the roster that you have right now. Let me just ask you a question. Okay. Because you keep not mayhemming him.

He keeps making good picks. Is there a chance he goes through the draft and you literally don't use one? Yeah, absolutely. You're going to keep making good picks? The first time ever. Well, I'm probably not. I mean, probably not, Andy. This is really surprising stuff.

He's up again. Dylan, Gabe Davis, Michael Thomas, Brandon Cooks, and Zach Charbonnet, Rashad Bateman. this is really surprising stuff he's he's up again dylan gabe davis michael thomas brandon cooks and jack zach sarb zach charbonnet rashad bateman mike you're back oh my goodness so it's pretty gross at the wide receiver position now i would have been very happy with khalil herbert right here so my wide receiver core i'm sitting three strong with Jamar Chase, Chris Olave, and Mike Williams. Oh, actually, I'm fully balanced. Sanders, David Montgomery, and Gibson are my three running backs. Josh Allen and Evan Engram as my onesie position.

So I'm wide open. I can kind of go any direction. Zay Flowers is at the top of the ADP. Elijah Moore is there. I'm not really as big of a believer that the Browns are going to turn it around as Andy is. Holy crap, the wide receivers are not inspiring here. So I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to take Khalil Herbert,

who I project to be the Chicago Bears starting running back. that a good pick Jay that's a terrible pick sorry Brooks mayhem yeah I uh I have Deonta Foreman as their starter over which is incorrect oh absolutely it could be um it is it is Brooks back me up here please yep we'll find out Herbert's the guy thank you they had the chance to make Herbert the guy, and then they drafted a running back and brought someone else in. Oh, in the fourth round. So we'll see. But no, you get a chance to redo it and make your team better.

You're welcome. I do like this. This is entertaining. Okay. And I'm all tapped out now. Yeah, you are. See ya. See you later. I'm out of out now. Yeah, you are. See you. See you later.

I'm out of here. All right. I am in a spot I don't like. Good. All right. Besides right next. Samaj P. Ryan. Okay.

That's fair. That's fair. That's still a better pick. You've got running backs four out of five rounds. Sanders, Montgomery, Gibson, and P. Ryan. Mike Williams in between. After your pick, it was all tight ends and quarterbacks. Frymuth and Joku.

Yeah, because they saw the wide receivers that were available and said, no, thank you. Yeah, so I'm back on the clock in the ninth round here. There are a number of names that I think are interesting, but I'm going to surprise Jason with what he'll consider to be a good pick. I'm in the shot range here. Oh, yeah, you're at the point of just draft whoever. And even though I have projections for the other two running backs

that are higher, I am not going to take a player or two players that are going to sit on my bench and I'm not going to know which one to play. I'm going to take a player that is either going to get off the schneid, catch on fire, and be an asset for my team, or I'm going to let him go. It's Devon A-chain. I love it. I'm going to take A-chain there,

and I'm coming back around in the 10th round. Khalil Herbert is still there. I could see if he could come back to Mike. That would be a great pick here in the 10th. It would. It would be a really, really good pick. It also means Mike won't get him. So we'll go with Khalil Herbert.

It's the right pick. All right, Elijah Moore, Jameson Williams, Dulcich, Damian Harris, Elijah Mitchell. You know what's funny is part of the reason that I didn't like the Khalil Herbert pick, Mike, was because P. Ryan and A-Chain were on the board, and I think I like those picks better. Now they're both off, so I wouldn't have the Khalil Herbert pick, Mike, was because P. Ryan and A-Chain were on the board, and I think I like those picks better. Now they're both off, so I wouldn't have vetoed you here.

Mike disagrees. Yes, strongly. He's on the clock here. Your final two picks, 10th and 11th round, Mike, round over draft. We're going to get some wide receivers on this team here. You might need a tight end, by the way. Yeah. Yeah, you only have Evan Ingram.

That is a fair point. I wonder if you thought that box was checked. Well, it's checked good enough. Okay, so ADP-wise, here's what we're looking at. Alan Lazard. That's okay.

Odell Beckham. I'm not really into that pick at all. Jacoby Myers. He got the bag from the Las Vegas Raiders, but with Adams there and Hunter Renfro is still there, it's hard to see a world where Jacoby Myers is really a time. That's true. You just forget.

That Hunter Renfro is still there? I completely forget that Hunter Renfro. And Hunter Renfro is a good wide receiver? Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, they needed a third guy, so I don't blame them for bringing him. Then Thielen, no way. Tyler Boyd, what's your mark, Chase? Thielen's a good pick in the 10th round.

No. He's not a good pick in any round. Yeah, that's where. Like I said, if you remember, at the top of the show, there are certain players that get in your brain and you're not allowed to see straight yeah adam theelin was paid to come in and be the number one yes and he's going to have the most targets on that roster 100 and bryce young is the number one pick yes has been getting rave reviews everything you said is right and he'll adam theelin will be a top

40 wide receiver this season and that sounds good but every single week he's going to score you six fantasy points. In this range. He'll get three touchdowns. I'm taking Alan Lazard. In this range. I mean, good. You get 6.1 fantasy points. I get either zero or I get eight. Final pick, Mike. You're on the clock.

Round it out. Finish your draft. Just kill me. I'm so done with this team. Okay. Oh, man. So Darnell Mooney's there. This is just – this is not where I want to be. So Adam Thielen's there, Mike.

The wide receiver one for an NFL team. I hope that he drops to you and you can make that selection. Look, we all need to draft players that we're pretty sure we can drop after week one to pick up the waiver wire hotness. I'm scrolling through here. I'm just trying to find anyone who I think has a chance to be something. Let's give this man some depth. I want Fireball Jones, baby.

Very nice. Who's the reviews? Tim Patrick, wide receiver, Denver Broncos. Tim Patrick. I like Jerry Judy a lot this year, but there are whispers coming out of Denver that Tim Patrick might just be the best wide receiver on the team. I was eyeballing Tim Patrick until I realized they couldn't stack with Judy.

Two rounds ago. Right. So he was on my list. He was on your short list? Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I just didn't want both. Patrick to Mike, and then I'm going to round it out with none other than Adam Thielen,

the final pick of the draft. Your waiver drop is going to be real easy. Yeah. A-chain will hit the wire pretty. Yeah. Not really. A-Chain will hit the wire pretty – Yeah. Not really. A-Chain and Thielen. Chubb, Mixon, Cook, A-Chain, Herbert at running back.

Hollywood, Judy, Evans, Thielen at wide out. Mahomes and a third round Dallas Goddard delivered by Mike. And my wide receivers are Jamar Chase, Chris Olave, Mike Williams, Alan Lazard, and Fireball Jones, a.k.a. Tim Patrick. At running back, I have Miles Sanders, David Montgomery, Antonio Gibson, Samaj P. Ryan. Got Josh Allen. That feels pretty good.

Evan Ingram. It would have felt okay if that were four rounds later, but it wasn't, so it felt bad. Thank you, Jason. How was your first Mayhem experience? Oh, this was great i feel like i really helped you guys out and i feel like you guys really did not help each other out mine weren't too bad on you you guys took the gloves off and just went at it that was uh that was the

most mayhem we've had i followed the rankings jason people love top 200 lists no no all right hopefully you enjoyed the mock draft. Hopefully you're mock drafting yourself, getting prepared for the season. Thank you for joining us on this fine Saturday episode of the fantasy footballers. Until next time. Thank you. Yes. For listening.

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