Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Mock Draft Mayhem! + Vacation Mode - Fantasy Football Podcast for 6/18

Episode Date: June 18, 2024

Let the mayhem begin! A special mock draft on today’s fantasy football podcast! Jason and Mike go head-to-head, while Andy adds fun and chaos with pick vetoes! Get tips for when things don’t go ac...cording to plan in a fantasy football draft! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for June 18th, 2024. 2024 ULTIMATE DRAFT KIT is available now at UltimateDraftKit.com Get MEGALASHOW tickets at BallersLive.com Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:18 Ah! Ah! Hey, okay, alright! Oh! Hey, okay. All right. Hey. Welcome in. Oh, man, that was tough. No. Mike is very forgiving.
Starting point is 00:02:35 Because the man, he knew what the potential consequences were. Look, Andy gave it his best. And you don't want to shame someone for doing their best. But sometimes your best isn't good enough. And I'm just curious was that I mean, if that was his best. Part of the reason why I gave it a go
Starting point is 00:02:53 is because this episode comes out Tuesday, June 18th. Ah, yeah. And what's not being said is we are recording this show significantly earlier than that. All three of us are out of town. This is the one week of the year that we have coordinated that we get a week with the families.
Starting point is 00:03:15 It's right after like draft and UDK and it's before three shows a week and then five shows a week. So it took us eight years to figure out we could just pre-record some shows right and get one week where we can go and leave with our families and have a week before the season starts but i was like this is like another week and it'll seem like i'm sick for like multiple weeks when i'm not because you don't know that yet you still might be he could be but also the intro i did start cracking at the end. You did. But you were already cheering me on at the crack point. Yeah, look, Jason's right.
Starting point is 00:03:51 It wasn't the best, but it doesn't matter because the hole in my soul that is left, when I hear that part of the music and then the intro doesn't kick in, I feel empty and sad. So that's better than nothing. Can't wait for the next one. We get to record another one tomorrow and I'm going to be trying again. Welcome into the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.
Starting point is 00:04:13 Jason Moore, Mike Wright, Andy Holloway here with you. The Ducers present accounted for Al Borland, Papa Josh, the Falcon in the building. And we have a Mayhem Mock Draft on today's show. I am the one with the building. And we have a mayhem mock draft on today's show. I am the one with the power. I'm going to see how you can think on your feet.
Starting point is 00:04:31 I don't know about that, Andy. Don't forget. I got a golden ticket. So maybe I'll. Hold on. Hold on. The golden ticket is for an argument, Jason. It's not for a mock draft.
Starting point is 00:04:41 There's one free Andy Holloway agreement. So I think if I say that that if I think I should be allowed to take this player Al what do you think nah yeah get out of here that's fine no you can save it yeah keep saving it so we got
Starting point is 00:04:57 a mock draft today Jason versus Mike and I'm going to throw some mayhem in there and we'll see how you adjust I can't help but remember I think the second time we ever did a mayhem mock draft was the one where I think I ended up with five straight running backs. Yeah, it was very high-T. I made some mistakes in understanding what you guys were going to do in that one. But you've got to be ready for anything in a fantasy football draft.
Starting point is 00:05:24 We just had a quick question on the last episode about taking onesie positions and back to back or early in your drafts where it could jeopardize the depth at the positions you play multiple positions or multiple players at. So things happen in your draft. You got to be ready. And we're going to have a fun mock draft today. The Ultimate Draft Kit available right now. All of our player projections, sleepers, breakouts, busts, and values, player profile videos, and tons more is available at
Starting point is 00:05:53 ultimatedraftkit.com. Very, very soon the draft analyzer will come out so you can take a look. Not just, I mean, it's to analyze your drafts come draft season, but I use this for my dynasty team. Just any team you have already, you can, it's to analyze, you know, your drafts come draft season. But, I mean, I use this for my Dynasty team. Just any team you have already, you can plug it in there. You can import it and get the grade on the team.
Starting point is 00:06:11 But it'll also give you directions, guidance, like what's good, what's bad. Shows you some stuff with age. That's coming out here in a couple weeks. That's right. That'll be early July. So, we got a lot going on. We've got a lot of coach speak happening people talking about their players and uh just maybe real realigning our perceptions on maybe what depth charts looks like
Starting point is 00:06:34 just confirming teams confirming my priors mostly confirming our prior opinions which is sad but true it is but you but the majority of the time that is what happens because we're human beings. But there are times where we pivot, where we change. Andy, you were just talking about people that you have been changing your tour on. Yeah, exactly. I don't remember which show I brought him up. I think it might have been the Dynasty show,
Starting point is 00:07:00 but it was talking about, like, are you guys hearing how the raiders are talking about zamir white x and like juxtaposed against how they talk about alexander madison who they called that he's a depth player they also have been very positive about and this is maybe nasty boys but trey tucker no dylan uh lobby oh yeah i don't know how to pronounce his last name. I think it's Lobby. Lobby? Lobby. L-A-U-B-B.
Starting point is 00:07:33 There's kind of almost a syllable before the B. They call him Dylan L. They've been talking him up big time. Dylan Lobb. Quick shout out. Mitchell Renz, former writer of the Fantasy Footballers. He's like a super raiders guy now yeah i had messaged him back in may i'm like thanks for sharing here dude this is my private information that i'm now sharing to everybody uh but ear to the ground like what are
Starting point is 00:07:56 you hearing about zamir and he still at least at that time he's like no i it it still seems like it will be a committee but but Dylan Lauby. Yeah. Lauby. Just keep an eye out. I think he's going to be a versatile piece of that committee. And that'll be an interesting question for Zemir. First and second down work.
Starting point is 00:08:16 What's it worth in Las Vegas? For Zemir White, honestly, pass catching is such a huge question mark. Because if he's getting 30-plus receptions or whatever, then where he's going in drafts, it's a value. All right, let's jump into some news. News and notes from around the league. One more reminder, we are recording this episode five days early. So the news we have on today's show, if there's updates to it, aren't recording this episode five days early.
Starting point is 00:08:47 So the news we have on today's show, if there's updates to it, like this is a risk to even bring it up. But you have to bring up this Alvin Kamara contract situation because, of course, we just talked about my Dynasty team, and I've been working to get all my players locked up long term. And you've been doing a great job, but now Alvin Kamara, he did not participate in the Saints' final practice of mandatory minicamp. Unexcused. And it was confirmed by his agent that this is contract-related.
Starting point is 00:09:12 Right now he's set to earn $11.8 million, which is fourth among running backs. But his dead cap, I think, next year right now is – Well, the problem next year is the salary balloons to, like to essentially $20-something million. Meanwhile, his salary cap that year will be $29 million. So the Saints have done magical things with the cap in the past, but something has to happen. I don't know if that's a move on. If he's a pre-June first cut next year, he'd be $10 million in debt.
Starting point is 00:09:46 Which is a lot, but it's – It's not $29. Sometimes teams are willing to do it. There's a lot of options, but the point being, something will have to happen with Alvin Kamara and the Saints by next year. I don't know that that's true. It seems like as of right now – Confirmed, Lauby.
Starting point is 00:10:02 That's what we were saying. Lauby. That's what we said. See that? That's pretty fun. Yeah, like as of right now. Confirmed, Lauby. That's what we were saying. Lauby. That's what we said. See that? That's pretty fun. Yeah, that's the new name. But Glenn, his name is Lauby. Okay, and no matter how you say it, it's correct.
Starting point is 00:10:15 I'm Lauby. Correct. That is correct. Get to the job. But yeah, so Jason, you were going to comment on Kamara's situation? Yeah, right now it seems like it's at a standstill. There's not an expectation that he's going to get any kind of contract extension unless it's just a restructure to kind of kick the can down further.
Starting point is 00:10:32 I still bet on Andy's Dynasty roster prevailing, and so I do assume a contract will come. But right now the reporting seems like he's not close to getting a deal. All right, I'm really not happy with this news. Jawan Johnson, foot surgery. He'll be sidelined for a long time. He missed four games last year. It's the Saints tight end.
Starting point is 00:10:54 Yeah, sorry. He missed four games last year. Was injured two different times. Was injured two different times the year before. Was injured again in 2021. Barely played in 2020. So this is like every year we're dealing with health concerns. We are. And it's starting to sap the potential.
Starting point is 00:11:11 And it sucked because coming into last year, the reports out of camp from beat reporters for the Saints, Jawan Johnson was being talked about a lot. And then the start for the season was extremely slow, and then he got hurt. He finally started kicking things into gear over the last quarter of the season. So it kind of just presented that hope again for this year that maybe he's a deep sleeper who can help you out. He was the number one tight end in championship week. Right. Last year. Eight for 90 and one.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Gus Edwards dealing with a something undisclosed. Off to the side. High possibility, according to Jim Harbaugh, that he'll be 100% healthy for training camp. That's excellent, but nothing about the Chargers running back room should work.
Starting point is 00:12:06 Nothing. Although... If he doesn't perform, he goes from Gus Bust to Gus Bust? Is that correct? Yeah, that's fine. I'll allow it. That could happen. And then the luscious locks will reign supreme. What? You're just bypassing
Starting point is 00:12:21 J.K. Dobbins. J.K. Dobbins is a TBD. We're going to see how his health is through this. You'll be talking about... Vidal Sassoon. Kamani Vidal Sassoon. Yes, I am. I feel like if we go a long time without saying the real name, this becomes quite the confusing moment.
Starting point is 00:12:38 Yeah. But Kamani Vidal was a sixth-round draft pick. Yeah. And I'm not that into Sassoon. Gus Edwards is very old for a running back to be getting his first starting opportunity. J.K. Dobbins is coming off an Achilles tear. Vidal Sassoon is a late-round running back. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:12:58 None of this should work. No, and it probably will not. It could not work. Yeah, it could absolutely. We've had many years in Baltimore with it not working. It works from a net. The team runs a bunch, but it doesn't always work for the player. Yeah, and Herbert is obviously usually a pocket passer
Starting point is 00:13:16 who dominates in that portion of the game. So far, the reports, like I was reading about his performance yesterday and today, and it was like he was dominating. Touchdowns everywhere in the passing. Who was? Herbert. Justin Herbert was really good. I almost thought I faked the thinking about J.K. Dobbins as my sleeper pick
Starting point is 00:13:39 because I do think it's a name that shouldn't be just cast off. If he is healthy, this is a good situation. Yeah. Nah, I'm going to cast him off. Yeah. I won't cast him. I don't want to. I am a J.K. Dobbins stan.
Starting point is 00:13:56 Don't believe you. You're clearly not. You're casting him off. Yeah, because of the Achilles. Okay, that's fine, but you can't say you're a J.K. Dobbins stan. I can, but the power of the Achilles' terrace, it breaks everything. He's speaking of the former self. Yeah, you could the Achilles. Okay, that's fine, but you can't say you're a J.K. Dobbins fan. I can, but the power of the Achilles tear is it breaks everything. He's speaking of the former self. Yeah, you could say you were.
Starting point is 00:14:09 Go ahead, try that on for size. I was. There you go. Raiders wide receiver Devontae Adams has given rookie tight end Brock Bowers the nickname BM. Oh, man. This is not news from every show. It's news for this show. Now, this is for-
Starting point is 00:14:23 Brock BM Bowers. This is for- It's done this is this is for it's done businessman okay businessman i mean call him brock bowles number two he literally said so i gave him that nickname he nicknamed davante buddy bm for business and for some reason brock bowers seemed he really didn't like it very much. I mean, now, if you're out there and you're like, I don't get the joke, which means you're eight years old, and that's fine. Welcome to the show.
Starting point is 00:14:52 All are welcome. A healthy BM? No. That's a bowel movement. Hey, if he's regular for fantasy football, he's going to be a healthy BM. I mean, you don't want him injured, right? This is an important player. You need a healthy BM if you want to succeed at this position for the Raiders.
Starting point is 00:15:11 No, no. Turn off the flushing sound. No, this flush goes forever. All I know is that this, Brock Bowers has not started his career and this is a catastrophic situation for him. It's really a turn. And it's Devontae Adams' fault.
Starting point is 00:15:26 Oh, I heard. Turn. Also, producers, please chop up that minute and send that to the academy when we're going for sports Emmys. Yeah, we're trying to get some Emmys. That's the moment. You do want a healthy BM, though. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:41 At your tight end position. Brock. Yeah, I mean, it all works. It all works. You want your tight end to have a healthy. Cheers, everybody. We're on vacation right now. A healthy businessman.
Starting point is 00:15:55 Commanders Dan Quinn, head coach. Oh, man. Said the team has not determined their starting quarterback. That's nonsense. It's stupid and a lie, Dan. Don't be so stupid. Don't do this. You say stupid things like this. It's so dumb. It's stupid and a lie, Dan. Don't be so stupid where you say stupid things like this.
Starting point is 00:16:06 It's so dumb. It's so Dan Quinn. This is the fast track to become the coach who is hated. Oh, we do. Of course we do. Well, no, I'm saying week one. No, the music. Oh, yeah. I forgot about this. This was the Cardinals offseason music.
Starting point is 00:16:32 But like Minnesota, because the next piece is just Sam Darnold is dominating the first team reps. Sam Darnold starting for the Minnesota Vikings for the first half of the season That's realistic season is realistic. It does not shock me. Jaden Daniels is the number two overall pick. Or Marcus Mariota? No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:16:51 It's not just that. Jaden Daniels has literally been a starter in the collegiate level for 12 years. He is so old, has so much experience, and then the stupidest part about all of it, June 11th 11 on 11s who's the first team guy who's playing first team reps for Jaden Daniels he's already out there taking first team reps
Starting point is 00:17:14 over Marcus Martin don't want to get him to you don't want a big head man don't come out and be like well I don't know I mean he's taking first team reps and we drafted him to be that and he's got total experience but I don't know yes you do don't just don't be a liar such a bm uh sam darnold will be the first team quarterback when minnesota begins camp like you said so that one seems really possible i i totally agree yeah mccarthy is a lesser experienced collegiate player makes sense he's got a lot of experience in pro offenses
Starting point is 00:17:42 though but yeah i mean the system makes sense to transition nicely, but as far as collegiate starts, I mean, you don't have a lot of people that have as many starts as Jaden Daniels. He wasn't a top three pick. Right. You have margin. If Sam Darnold comes out in the first three weeks, the Vikings are now 0-3,
Starting point is 00:18:03 then the mob's going to get really loud really fast, but you're probably going to start with the vet. All right, that is it for News & Notes today. We'll take a break, come back with a mock draft. All right, let's get into it. The Fantasy Footballers Mock Draft. All right, we have a mayhem mock draft. So if you haven't been a part of one of those before,
Starting point is 00:18:38 this one's going to be Jason versus Mike. Right now, Mike is going to be drafting from the 107 Jason the 110 it's a 12 team today we're doing full PPR one quarterback two running back two wide receiver a tight end a flex in four bench spots I will have the opportunity at my discretion to break into the draft and use a mayhem against you
Starting point is 00:19:04 two gentlemen. I can veto the pick, which means that you need to choose another player at a different position. I can replace a pick, so that's my choice. I get to make the pick for you. And then I have the ability to give you an opponent's choice mayhem, which is self-explanatory. The other person is going to make the pick for you. You said it was self-explanatory. The other person's
Starting point is 00:19:26 going to make the pick for you. You said it was self-explanatory. Yeah, then you explain it. You don't explain self-explanatory stuff. Just sound stupid now. Wow-bee. It's Dylan Wow-bee. We looked it up. Rhymes with wow.
Starting point is 00:19:41 Actually, in the pronunciation, guys, it rhymes with wow-bee. Wow-bee. guys, it rhymes with wow-bee. Wow. Wow. Wow-bee. Wow-bee. Yeah, that rhymes. We're so stupid.
Starting point is 00:19:50 Yeah. I hope people are still listening. This is vacation mode. So, you guys ready? Yep. All right. We're kicking it off here. Tyreek Hill in a full PBR goes 101. McCaffrey, 102.
Starting point is 00:20:04 Almond Ross, St. Brown at 103. Lamb, 104. Chase at 105. Jefferson, 106. So that puts Mike on the clock. Round one, 107, full PPR. What are you thinking about? So the big-time wide receivers have gone.
Starting point is 00:20:28 I really like A.J. Brown, Puka, Garrett Wilson, but they're not in the tier of wide receivers who have gone. And I'm going to try and start this draft off with running back, so it automatically for me becomes Brees Hall or Bijon, which is a very difficult choice to me. Jason's shrugging because it's easily Bijon for you? Well, it is easily Bijon to me, but the shrug wasn't because it was obvious between the two.
Starting point is 00:20:51 It was who cares? So what? It's a good problem to have. If you're on that spot and you're like, oh, gosh, I've got to decide between Brees Hall or Bijon, it's like, okay. And right now Brees Hall is ahead of my ranking, so I'm just going to stick with that. Okay.
Starting point is 00:21:06 Now, you did make the selection. I didn't figure you were going to take over my first pick. You don't know. Yeah, you don't know. Oh, crap. But I wasn't. So, Brees Hall is who you went with. That's who I would have gone with.
Starting point is 00:21:20 Bijon goes next, and then A.J. Brown. Now, Jason, you're on the clock. I am on the clock. There's a couple of guys that I really, really like here. Knowing where I was at the 10, I was thinking that Puka would probably be my pick pre-draft. I think he's going to be a great PPR asset, even if he doesn't necessarily hit all the ceiling numbers he did last year. This is still his second year. You know, rookies usually get better going into year two of the system.
Starting point is 00:21:49 All that being said, I have, according to my rankings, a monstrous, absurdly high season coming for Jameer Gibbs. And in full PPR, all the more. He's going to catch a ton of passes this season. So I'm going to try to pull a mic here, and I will select Jameer Gibbs if allowed, Mr. Commissioner. Yeah, go for it. Go for it.
Starting point is 00:22:14 Jameer Gibbs off the board. So Brees Hall, Jameer Gibbs. You both have running backs in round one. Perfect. Pukanukuwa goes next. Saquon Barkley at the 12th pick Garrett Wilson at 201 full PPR I don't mind that
Starting point is 00:22:30 Jonathan Taylor off the board at 202 so Jason you're back on the clock Jameer Gibbs your first rounder now you have to make a decision and you don't know I think it's an easy pick you really do it's an easy pick for me what i do oh man it's an easy
Starting point is 00:22:46 pick for me what is the pick then mike kyron williams yeah so uh so there's a game here um i you dummy you jerk just play just say who you want to take i would starting with jameer gibbs and kyron williams i would love i to do that. Mayhem is not supposed to be expected. Okay, well, I'm always on pins and needles. I would. The wide receivers here, Marvin Harrison, I'm a Cardinals fan. I would love to have him. It's really hard to select him at the very end of the first or the very beginning of the second where you have to take him.
Starting point is 00:23:18 Devontae Adams is great, but I'm not excited. His arrow isn't pointing up. Then you go to the Londons and the Lobbys. So I feel like wide receivers here are going to be about the same as the wide receivers at the next turn. So I would rather go running back. I would definitely take Kyron Williams and start with Gibbs and Kyron, if allowed, Mr. Commissioner.
Starting point is 00:23:40 Yeah, go for it. Oh, yay, fun. That would be a lethal start. Gibbs and Kyron at 110 and 203. You had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven wideouts in the first round. Three more in the second, including Adams and Harrison going next. That puts Mike on the clock. Brees Hall is his running back from the first round. So,
Starting point is 00:24:06 looking at it, also still trying to experiment with other types of builds because of the mock. I'm looking at the rankings for Devon Acheon, and he is so difficult to rank because when we rank, we do projections. And you're
Starting point is 00:24:23 looking more at a median outcome for a player when you're trying to give them just hard statistics. And it's difficult to say, no, this guy is going to run for eight yards a carry or whatever. So HN is low in my RB ranks, but I want him on my team. And so the point being of like, do you take someone like A-Chan or do you take someone more steady like Travis Etienne, who is in my top 10? Catches a lot of passes.
Starting point is 00:24:58 And at this spot, A-Chan would not possibly come back. So just for the experiment, I would select A-Chan right here because I want to see what my roster looks like. If, at the end, do I like making that pivot. All right, go for it. All right. Wow. This is just a mock draft, Mike.
Starting point is 00:25:16 It's because you guys are making dumb picks. Devon A-Chan at 206. Drake London, Ayuk, Laporta, Olave. A-Chan goes at 2111. I think that is quite the steal in a PPR. Josh Allen at 2-12. Jacobs at 3-0-1. Debo,
Starting point is 00:25:35 Kelsey, Nico, Pittman, and DJ Moore. So you had six more wide receivers off the board before Mike's pick here. The real question is, you know, who do you want and who are you not getting? All right. The player I would draft, it would be pretty easy. So the wider, I don't want to go running back.
Starting point is 00:25:59 Well, I guess. Okay. Running backs. Derek Henry is there. Pacheco and Rashad White. So I guess there are three running backs who I – You guys have four running backs through two rounds. Correct.
Starting point is 00:26:09 Yeah, it's very high two right now. I was going to say, I think people might want to hear a little bit more about the thought process there with a million wide receivers going off the board in full PPR. Because we're at a – This is going to be the normal PPR situation where perceived value at running back because wide receivers go off the board. But you both went that way.
Starting point is 00:26:29 Wide receivers are very push-up. I know for me when I'm at the end of the first round, so I'm at basically the 3-4 turn or near there, there are a lot of wide receivers I like. There are – usually you can get one of the Texan wide receivers. I like Cooper Cup there. I like Devontae Smith. There's a handful of players that I'm comfortable with,
Starting point is 00:26:51 especially if I can get two of those guys. So that's why I was fine taking what I perceived to be superstar running backs at the 1-2 turn. So if I were taking a running back, do you want me to announce both picks that I would take? How do you want me to play both picks that I would take? How do you want me to play the game for you? I just want you to go about your business making your pick and then ask me whether you're allowed to. So because it's the PPR, I would take Rashad White of the guys left.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Even here, you would not think about going with Rashad? No, no. I'm saying if I went running back, that's where I would go. Gotcha. But my real pick would end up being Jalen Waddell, who I am extremely bullish on. I think that there is a massive bounce back happening for the supposed wide receiver two.
Starting point is 00:27:37 So that's the pick? I'm just saying. That would be the pick? That would be, and that loads me up on the Dolphins. I do understand that. But H.N. and Waddell to me are special players that I'm okay because Waddle and Tyreek are like the entirety of the passing offense and then HN involved a little bit.
Starting point is 00:27:53 I'd be okay with it. Mayhem. Okay, fair enough. We have to get this going. I just wanted to see what beds you'd make before you had to start thinking. I'm going to, on this one, I'm going to make the pick for you because I have seen your rankings, and I know how excited you are about certain players.
Starting point is 00:28:16 And I know you like Jaylen Waddell, and that would be strong consideration. But in my opinion, you're sitting here, Laporta's gone, Kelsey's gone. Your number one tight end is on the board in a PBR. He is. And you're going to take him here. You're going to take him before someone else can take him. You've got a long wait for your next pick. You're going 307 Trey McBride here, Mike. Go ahead and make
Starting point is 00:28:35 the selection. Worst things could have happened to me. You went Trey McBride. You thought about quarterback, but you went Trey McBride. Derrick Henry goes next. Mike Jason you are in a an interesting situation because you have Gibbs and Kyron the best start at running back you could have potentially in a PPR I mean you do have a McCaffrey ETN team here but there's only three teams that started with two running backs you guys are two of them give me your thought process here yeah I mean here I'm I am looking at wide receiver I'm you know starting
Starting point is 00:29:10 running back running back I would prefer to go with wide receiver looking at my rankings and and who's left on the board there are plenty of good options the aforementioned Jalen Waddle I like Cooper Cup I expect him to have a slight bounce back not to previous super duper stardom but to health and when he was on the field last year he was actually still pretty good we talked about him on the last episode so i've given the opportunity here i'd like to i'd like to draft oh no i wouldn't i've got kyron williams i don't want oh i don't want to double that up i don't want to double i don't want to double the rams um in that case, I would also go Jalen Waddle. Andy hates Jalen Waddle.
Starting point is 00:29:50 It's tempting to just give you Cooper Cup because I feel like you could have stumbled into that in a real draft and made the mistake. People are human. Go ahead and do that. Yeah, go ahead and take Cooper Cup. Because you see the name. It's a third round. It's PPR. That's not necessarily a bad pick at all.
Starting point is 00:30:07 No, I like Cup, and I think both can succeed. Usually, if I'm talking about a second and third rounder, I would prefer to not have a running back and wide receiver from the same team. But I'll survive. Were you saying something, Mike? I was saying, look, I have 100% done that in drafts in my past. Well, you almost did it with H. Shannon Waddle. But where I was okay with it. I'm saying I like, I have 100% done that in drafts in my past. Well, you almost did it with A. Chan and Waddle. But where I was okay with it.
Starting point is 00:30:27 I'm saying I've had it happen. I think there was a year where – Oh, where you didn't notice? Where I took, like – This was back the Alfred Morris years of Washington. Pierre Garçon years. And then later on, I took Pierre Garçon and immediately was like, oh, no. Just got too caught up in seeing the name there?
Starting point is 00:30:43 Yep, yep. All right, so Gibbs, Kyron Cup,upp, Brees, A-Chan, McBride. After Kupp went waddle, finally off the board. Neither of you got him. I don't know why. He was sitting there for both of you. Yeah, we probably should have drafted him. Yeah, I should have taken him.
Starting point is 00:30:57 Diggs goes at 312. Mind you, Nico went at 304. I like paying attention to where the Texans' wideouts are going. Rashad White, who Mike wanted to potentially take, bye, goodbye. Isaiah Pacheco at 402. Jason, you're back on the clock. So I'm going to be pretty happy here if I get a wide receiver because starting with Cooper Cup and either Devontae Smith
Starting point is 00:31:24 or DK Metcalf or Tank Dell, guys that I see as a really good wide receiver two option for your team, along with my two powerful running backs, I'd be happy with. And I feel like there's those three guys and then a massive gap to me and my tiers, my rankings, you know, going down to the Zay Flowers types, the questionable Malik neighbors who could be a great pick, but obviously you're playing with a little bit of fire, so I will try to draft the guy that I've
Starting point is 00:31:52 been getting in every single draft because I know I'm just way higher than ADP. He's always there for me as my wide receiver, too. I would take DK Metcalf. Am I allowed? Mayhem. You got a long wait for wide receiver, so I'm'm gonna go with my pick again mayhem i i get to pick again but not the same position but you can't really ruins it for me
Starting point is 00:32:12 well thankfully i want to see what it thins out to when you've made the gibbs kyron decision early oh i do too i do too i want to see how that works so much curiosity i'm just so curious in the air what's crazy is both mike and i are going to end up, thanks to mayhem, with one wide receiver through four rounds. That's going to be a little dicey. I guess at most. You're counting my chickens. I love Jalen Hurts.
Starting point is 00:32:35 It's him and Josh Allen in most leagues. Him falling into the fourth round is a layup for me. So if I can't have a wide receiver, I got my stars at running back, I'll add Jalen Hurts to the roster. Any thought in a PPR to have gone Mark Andrews there yeah I mean Mark Andrews I think is underrated and is great but if you look at what Mark Andrews is to the tight end position he is not what Jalen Hurts is to the quarterback position so I wouldn't take him over Hurts okay so Hurts at 403 Hurts Cup Kup, Kyron, and Gibbs. Stroud goes next. So that would
Starting point is 00:33:07 be Stroud ahead of Mahomes. People are crazy out there. That's too rich. I think you will see it. I think so too. Malik Neighbors at 405. Mike, you are back on the clock. You are fresh off of a
Starting point is 00:33:24 pretty incredible Tramie Bride selection in the third I didn't know you loved him that much hey number one but what are you thinking about here I mean Mark Andrews is on the board just the old give me the pick who says it's a onesie I'm gonna
Starting point is 00:33:41 play him in my flex right I am looking at the wide receiver position and it's I onesie i'm gonna play him in my flex right uh i am looking at the wide receiver position and it's i mean the adp is correct of devonta smith dk metcalf tank dell those are the guys who are left uh how do you feel about that as your wide receiver one it's not my favorite thing in in the entire world uh And it's I think where it also is extra difficult is look, Devonta Smith is the wide receiver two on his team.
Starting point is 00:34:12 Tank Dell is I don't know. He's the one to three on any given week. Yeah, maybe he's the one. Meanwhile, DK Metcalf, who I'm not as high on as Jason is, he's the number one guy on the team.
Starting point is 00:34:30 So do I take the player? Because I've taken out higher in my rankings by a little bit than DK Metcalf. But the case for ceiling is DK Metcalf bounces back, and he is the true number one for Seattle. That is such the most difficult decision is taking twos with a Stroud or a T. Higgins with a Burrow is taking twos with a Stroud or a T. Higgins with a Burrow or taking the one with a Geno Smith. Yeah, so I...
Starting point is 00:34:51 It's hard to fight just the emotional appeal of it. I think I would... I think I'd go DK Metcalf. That would be my pick. You can go ahead and make that pick. Alright. Go ahead and take him. Eat that, Jason. DK Metcalf off the board. It's a good pick. Brees Hall, HN, McBride, Metcalf.
Starting point is 00:35:08 And we will take a quick break, and I'll come back and read the picks all the way up to Mike's fifth-round selection. After Metcalf, Mike's team is Hall, A. Chan, McBride in Metcalf. Jason has Gibbs, Kyron, Kupp, and Hertz. After Metcalf, it went Mahomes, Lamar, Devontae Smith, Mixon, Andrews, Ken Walker, Kamara, Flowers, Cooper, James Cook, George Pickens, who you might have been eyeballing, and Dalton Kincaid off the board at 5.06.
Starting point is 00:35:52 Seeing this board, real quick, I know I made you take Trey McBride. Yeah. That was a mayhem. Jason, would you rather have McBride at 3.07 or Kincaid at 5.06? Oh, I would rather have Kincaid at 5.06. A two-round gap because if you look at the players that were drafted after McBride, you know, Nico Collins, I'm sorry, Derek Henry was after him. If I could add that with Kincaid versus the running backs on the board, absolutely. All right, Mike, you're back on the clock.
Starting point is 00:36:20 And you let out kind of a disgusted sigh. Did you have something bad for lunch? No, no, I something bad for lunch? No, no. I did okay for lunch, but I may end up with some tummy problems. Just a quick note about it because you were talking about the board. I think we're all in agreement that Zay Flowers is going too high in drafts. I am in agreement, yeah. Where are you at?
Starting point is 00:36:42 Yes, ahead of Cooper and Pickensens I would not be putting him there but I do worry I just don't want to swing the pendulum too far on our doubts for him because you know he's a young player that contributed in year one made big plays and has the ability to move forward we got news that Rashad Bateman is doing Rashad Bateman things in camp which he's irrelevant
Starting point is 00:36:59 they don't have Beckham right like I mean there are like Zay Flowers needs to be properly drafted not ignored out of out of like an anger that he's too high and not drafted too high just because you're excited about him as
Starting point is 00:37:16 a sophomore the hilarity of months of everyone on the team trying to prop up Rashad Bateman including the coach and then yeah this is that, including the coach, and then... Yeah, that is exactly what it is. And then we just got this... Look, it's an opinion,
Starting point is 00:37:32 but it's not great to have that happen. Anyways, point being, Tank Dell, who I would have been happy to take at 4-0-6, fell to me at 5-0-7, and that is my pick. Yes! Yeah, that's the problem. That's the problem. I'm going to give Jason this selection for you
Starting point is 00:37:49 so he can make the pick for your team. 507, Jason, it is your selection. Now you have a pick three away. Okay. All right, well, let me see here. I can go any position here. He really needs a wide receiver, so that's not going to happen. I'm sorry, Mike.
Starting point is 00:38:07 Okay. Running backs, there's still some value there. I like Aaron Jones. Andy doesn't. He'd love if I picked Aaron Jones. You already have a tight end. I'm not going to do something insane like double tight end stack you. I am going to actually give you someone that I think is a value.
Starting point is 00:38:23 In the fifth round, it is a gamble. Not a value. It's not a value. In the fifth round, it is a gamble. Not a value. It's not a value. He's a good selection for the potential upside. I know he's throwing with his left hand, but I think Anthony Richardson is a valuable player here. All right. And, you know, starting with one wide receiver going into your sixth round
Starting point is 00:38:39 is going to be tough. It sure is. Oh, yeah, I got to make the pick. Sorry. Okay, cool. Anthony Richardson. Ohon oh take dell fell to me am i allowed to take take dell andy yeah go for it what a great pick man how lucky am i um yeah you're super lucky anthony mike's loving this anthony richardson and 507 connor pits and then dell to Jason. You did that very quickly. Oh, yeah. Keenan Allen,
Starting point is 00:39:08 T. Higgins, George Kittle, DeAndre Swift. You're back on the clock in the sixth round. I'm not going to make you go through the song and dance. I'm going to give Mike the ability to make this pick for you.
Starting point is 00:39:24 It will be a small salve to the pain he's endured. But, Mike, if you want to undermine his roster, you can feel free. He's got Gibbs, Kyron, Kupdel, and Hurts. I feel like I know who he's going to give me. Just to hurt me. Just to hurt me bad. I wish I could identify who that player was. Oh, do you want me to work with you?
Starting point is 00:39:47 Yeah. He's healthy. I looked at the ADP. I wasn't sure if it was too out of control. But if you needed to make sure you had Brock B.M. Bowers on the roster. But I'm not going to go that far. I'm not going to stray away from the ADP because your roster, look, we are, it's PPR. We want those wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:40:09 This guy was drafted to be great along with his rookie quarterback. But somehow here in the sixth round, he's still on the clock or on the board. Mr. Rome Adunze. Really? You went Adunze? I wish this was a dynasty league because I think he's a the board. Mr. Rome Adunze. Really? You went Adunze? I wish this was a dynasty league because I think he's a good player. Yeah. But I do not want him to be my wide receiver three.
Starting point is 00:40:31 That's with ADP? With PPR. Yeah, that is with ADP. He was at the very top. Interesting. I didn't pull any shenanigans. I just gave you best available wide receiver. Well, thank you, Mike.
Starting point is 00:40:41 Since the crowd. I mean, I am happy to get a third wide receiver. That would have been the position I would have gone after with the quarterback. Good Lord, I have one. Are there any more mayhems left for Mike? Yeah. Andy's pick. Oh, fantastic. No, you have a pick again, different position.
Starting point is 00:40:56 That's the one I have left. Oh, is it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I already gave you Trey McBride. So, Adunze, Jones, Montgomery, Mike, you're back on the clock. You have Brees Hall, A. Chan, McBride, Metcalf, and Richardson. So, I wish it could be Rasheed Rice, but we still have no idea what's going on with his off-the-field shenanigans
Starting point is 00:41:18 turning into a multi-game suspension of some sort. This tier of players here, so it's like Christian Kirk's at the top, Rice, Terry McLaurin, who's just always been good, but now you have the rookie quarterback. I think, honestly, if this were my roster, I'd be looking at, I need a player I know that is going to at least give me something, so I would take Christian Kirk. Yeah, go for it.
Starting point is 00:41:48 Go for it. You can take Christian Kirk. I know I could put you into it. I wanted you to just zip up the body bag and throw him in the ocean. Yeah, I could have. That was the name that, from a reliability standpoint, that was the threshold. Yes. This is the type of build where you are you are dreaming of
Starting point is 00:42:07 Christian Kirk you know if you need your wide receiver too and you're this late in full PPR you want just I know he might not have the upside as some of the players that were on the the board but his floor is so high he is reliable he's going to have a ton of targets in this offense I think it's a great pick Romandre goes at 607 then Rice, Burrow, Prescott, McLaurin, and Ingram to finish the sixth round. Godwin, Kyler, Mostert, Pollard, Addison, Najee Harris. Mike, you're back on the clock. So let's see. So I got Brees Hall. I'm actually now just, I just balanced, but I have two onesies in here, making it feel really bad at the depth for this team. But Brees Hall, Devon Achan, McBride.
Starting point is 00:42:50 Achan's a bit of a wild card. Yeah, which that was part of it. I knew what I was getting myself into not going with Travis Etienne right there. Metcalf, Richardson, Christian Kirk. Is there somebody that you love right here? Like one name. There is not somebody I love, but it would be another. I'm going to try and lock in some PPR value, and he does sit atop of the ADP.
Starting point is 00:43:16 Jaden Reed would likely be my pick, just real quick working through it. Xavier Worthy, I'm okay with the value right here shooting for upside, but if he misses that's gonna be devastating for my team I'm not in on Hollywood Brown Calvin Ridley maybe uh with the with the contract and the hope with Will Levis but I would take Jaden Reed I try to get the presumed number one PPR guy for Jordan Love. So that's my pick. Well thought out. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:43:47 Yeah. Oh, God. I mean, I have to take another position? Yeah, you got to take another position. He threw you in the ocean in a body bag, but he didn't zip it up all the way. You have a chance, Mike. This is great. No, because I'm picking a running back.
Starting point is 00:44:01 I have a quarterback, and I have a tight end. It's all right. You got your guy. We were talking about him earlier. Was Samir? Yeah. Is Samir on the board? But like I said, the big question mark was Samir.
Starting point is 00:44:11 You got Moss. Is he going to catch passes? Yeah. Zach Moss, I feel more confident, is going to catch passes. Is that going to be the pick? It might be a reach ADP-wise, but I'm going to take Zach Moss. I don't think that's bad. I think your wide receivers are bad. Jaden Reed goes next. Nick Chubb. At least there's two of them. Yeah. At
Starting point is 00:44:29 least there's two. And that is due to my mercy. Um, all right, Jason, three of your last four picks were wide outs cup Dell Odunze. Yeah. Jalen hurts in there. And then Gibbs and Kyron to start the draft. I'm out of mayhem. So you Gibbs and Kyron to start the draft. I'm out of mayhem, so you guys are cruising here to finish this draft out. Yeah, we can do whatever we want. There are a handful of players I really, really like. The player that I want to take, Ladd McConkie. There's two players here that I want.
Starting point is 00:45:01 I want Ladd McConkie and Jonathan Brooks, both rookies. Ladd McConkie, the reports from OTAs have been outstanding. He's dominating. He's getting all the targets. Cuge is just doing his best for Rashad Bateman. He's doing his best just in life. Wait, have there been actual negative reports about Cuge?
Starting point is 00:45:19 There have been not thrilling reports. Yeah, it's been like shiny stuff for Ladd-McConkie, and then like huge is still there. Yeah. Honestly, I'm looking at, like I personally believe in Ladd-McConkie. I like his opportunity, and I am doubtful on Calvin Ridley. But Andy has been so bullish on Calvin Ridley that it,
Starting point is 00:45:46 you have really talked me into, you know, and you look at the ADP, I mean, Calvin Ridley is a huge value here, whereas Ladd-McConkie is a slight reach. Calvin Ridley in the seventh is silly. It does feel that way, given the fact that my team started with two running backs and took a quarterback in the first four picks. I'm going to go with old reliable on Calvin Ridley over Ladd-McConkie and then we'll see if Ladd comes back to me. He does not. I'm going to go with old reliable and Calvin Ridley over Ladd McConkie. And then we'll see if Ladd comes back to me. He does not. So then I'll go Jonathan Brooks.
Starting point is 00:46:11 That was quick. This is a running back that I said I want to leave almost every draft with. I just hope his ADP stays down. And he is. Which the last report was on the negative side. Yes, exactly, which I was thrilled. After Ridley, Worthy, Love, McConkie ahead of you, and then BM at 8.02, just want to let you know where he went.
Starting point is 00:46:34 You went Jonathan Brooks, then Zemir White off the board, so Mike could not back, not combo Moss into Zemir, not that he would. And then Hollywood Brown at 8.05, Mike, you're on the clock. You're looking wide out. Can I interest you in Austin Eckler? No, you cannot. So I have two good wide receivers. Are you talking in a mirror? I'm talking to the audience right now.
Starting point is 00:46:58 I'm holding on for dear life. And even, like, there's no one else on the ADP chart anywhere close where I'm like yeah that's I feel like that's a good reliable source of PPR I mean Hopkins and Deontay Johnson are known players but full attachments to those offenses I don't know if I want to do it uh so what whiteouts are you thinking about so I I'm going to swing for some upside here. Christian Watson at this point is like – You missed out on Jaden Reed. He is a man of interest for me because if they do fix the hamstring injury,
Starting point is 00:47:39 it's a big if. But when everyone was healthy and playing for the Packers last year, Christian Watson was the number one guy by a lot in terms of target share. But I'm going to swing and hope that I got Josh Allen's number one wide receiver, Keon Coleman, the rookie for Buffalo.
Starting point is 00:47:58 Alright, you want Keon Coleman in the eighth round. Hopkins, Eckler, Gervonta, Warren, Brian Thomas, who I would have brought up if you had not already drafted Christian Kirk. Hopkins, Eckler, Gervonta, Warren, Brian Thomas, who I would have brought up if you had not already drafted Christian Kirk. Yeah. Brian Robinson, possibly an 8-12 value. They say he's going to catch some passes.
Starting point is 00:48:13 Eckler and Brian Robinson both going in the eighth round. Adonai Mitchell, Deontay Johnson, Devin Singletary, Njoku, and Goddard. I don't know if Jason's shaking his head because he wanted Njoku later. Purdy. And then, Mike, you're back on the clock. You've got your onesies. You're building depth with these last three picks. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:30 And I was happy to take Christian Watson last round. So I am very interested to take him now. Jason made a sound. Well, is that Fergalicious? That was Fergalicious. Fergalicious. The final ripcord. I was offgalicious. Fergalicious, the final ripcord. I was exactly right.
Starting point is 00:48:45 Jake Ferguson off the board. Jake Ferguson is the final ripcord of my tight end rankings. I was wanting David Njoku or Ferguson to come back to me. After those guys, there's really no one that I like for a long time, but the name will look good, and this is a mock draft. I'm going to take TJ Hawkinson. I knew it. I knew it.
Starting point is 00:49:04 I wanted Ferguson, but it's all right. I'm going to take TJ Hawkinson. I knew it. I knew it. I wanted Ferguson but it's alright. I'm just going to So who's your starting tight end? Yeah, it's going to be, Hawkinson will go to IR and I'll pick up a great streamer for week one. Tua Benson Schultz, who you could have drafted and Goff, you're back on the clock
Starting point is 00:49:20 your second to last pick. Which just real quick, so the team 11, that's an auto-drafting team but they took Tua and then Goff right away coming back in. I don't hate that. Not a bad combo. I don't hate that at all. Just the odds of one of those guys being able to be close to plug and play, I think you can hit if you get them both.
Starting point is 00:49:42 So I know who my pick is going to be here. I just want to verify my roster. I've got Gibbs, Kyron Williams, and Jonathan Brooks. Make sure it's still there. Cooper Cup, Tank Dell, Roma Dunzey, and Calvin Ridley. Well, I know who I want, but I'm seeing with Brooks not active, do I need to go running back? You need a running back.
Starting point is 00:50:00 Do you think I need to go running back? Because I want Jackson Smith and Jigba bad. You need another running back, but you don't have to take it here oh man unless you feel like there's a huge teardrop but that's the first thing I thought of when I looked at your team was Jonathan Brooks could literally not be active and you've got two running backs yeah and and when I look at the wide receivers there's a couple of guys you know you could take a shot on Jameson Williams I love the value here of Jackson Smith and Jake, but I love it. But given my roster and given the running backs that are left,
Starting point is 00:50:29 how I view them versus where they are in ADP, I think Tajay Spears as a year two guy is going to be a fine running back. It's a PPR. He'll catch a lot of passes. Don't think we've seen him drafted by any of our teams yet. So I will add him to the roster.
Starting point is 00:50:46 Tajay Spears. All right. Jameson Williams and Jaden Daniels go next. Mike, you're back on the clock. You no longer have two wideouts. You have four. I have five. Jackson Smith and Jake Buzza.
Starting point is 00:50:58 Very well done. Curtis Samuel, Gus Buss, Zeke. Those two names were also, I thought, maybe in consideration for you, Jay. Sutton, Herbert, Lockett,bs, chase Brown, Blake Coram, friar, mute Musgrave. I almost took jazz Jackson, Jason, because you just abandoned. I, I, I, I, I, I, um, because's a, whatever. Dylan Lauby. Because I wanted Ford to come back to me. I think that would have been.
Starting point is 00:51:29 Ford would not have made it past me. And the fact that you had two picks before me, I knew there was no chance. I wanted him to drop to me. All right, Mike, you're back on the clock. Final pick. So my running back room, like we're only going 11 rounds, so it's a shallow team. Jerome Ford would have been a pretty easy pick for me.
Starting point is 00:51:48 Get a guy who can, at the beginning of the year, I feel pretty confident at this point. But similar to that, I did bring him up the other day of Chuba Hubbard. Yeah. I think that the start of the year. He's looking great, too. While Jonathan Brooks is recovering, I think that Chuba is, in the 11th round, a guy who you can start.
Starting point is 00:52:08 I think you'll be able to start him as an RB2, but it's short-term. That's a rental, which it's just, what is your strategy? And then Kendray Miller is another interesting name. Second year running back for the New Orleans Saints.
Starting point is 00:52:24 You assume they're going to get all this stuff figured out with Kamara, but it's a little murky. And then Ty Chandler, I've talked about him, and also Marshawn Lloyd for the Green Bay Packers, their rookie running back who, look, if Josh Jacobs is anything close to what he was last year, I think that Marshawn Lloyd will get on the field quickly. And I think he's a player who
Starting point is 00:52:45 has some juice and can get some things done. So I'm, I'm actually, I'm just going to go that route. I'm going to take Marshawn Lloyd. That was, that was who I was going to take though, Mike. Oh, a great pick. I like it a lot. I think that's, that's, that's really good. Your team could, your team could have had Jason and Lloyd and then his team has that. Yeah. Enjoy your, your Seahawks with Metcalf as well so um have fun I'm I'm looking at the wide receivers that's who I would prefer to take but I I don't really love anybody there Mike Williams we don't know if he's going to come back Xavier Ligette I'm not sure with Bryce if he's going to be a good rookie player and there is a running back that I actually
Starting point is 00:53:19 want some pieces of I think we get here I mean if you need a running back at some but xavier lee get a first round uh rookie wide receiver in the 11th round like that's yeah you could take a shot good shot to take yeah i don't mind it at all but i'm actually going to take a shot on you're going to get a starting tight end i'm going i'm going to get zach charbonnet a player that we really loved the value of. Rookie year was a disappointment behind Kenneth Walker, and then there's a new team in town, and I still believe in Zach Charbonnet. So as a backup running back, he's obviously not a starter, I'm fine having him. Why don't you guys run back your rosters as we close out this Mayhem Mock Draft
Starting point is 00:54:00 and then give me an idea of your sentiment around the situation you've been put in my running backs I have Brees Hall Devon HN Zach Moss and Marshawn Lloyd I have DK Metcalf Christian Kirk Keon Coleman Christian Watson Jackson Smith and Jigba at my wide receiver crew Trey McBride is my tight end Anthony Richardson is my quarterback. The power of my onesie positions is strong, but it did hurt the wide receivers. I need one of Coleman, Watson, or JSN to come through.
Starting point is 00:54:34 And I've got onesies of Jalen Hurts, awesome, and TJ Hawkinson, clearly awesome and healthy. What a big name on your roster. Thank you. So good last year before the catastrophic knee injury. Running backs, I've got Gibbs, Karen Williams, Jonathan Brooks, Tajay Spears, and Zach Charbonnet.
Starting point is 00:54:51 And at wide receiver, Cooper Cupp, Tank Dell, Roma Dunzey. Thank you, Mike. Yeah. And Calvin Ridley. All right. The entire draft board, you can go see that on YouTube if you'd like. You can go over to youtube.com slash the fantasy footballers. In fact, I insist you do.
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