Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Most Surprising Teams + RB Underdogs - Fantasy Football Podcast for 6/10

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

Fantasy Football show for June 10, 2025. Which offenses will take a step forward in 2025? Andy, Mike, and Jason pick surprising teams and answer fantasy questions! Recent free agent signings, player outlooks, and RB sleepers to target in fantasy football drafts! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.2025 ULTIMATE DRAFT KIT is available now at UltimateDraftKit.com(00:00) Introduction(03:50) Team Surprises for 2025(09:50) NFL News(20:12) Mailbag(20:40) Sleeper RBs(25:05) Kyren Williams Contract(28:30) DK Metcalf or Rashee Rice (34:51) Zay Flowers Ceiling (38:21) CMC or Hampton in Dynasty(43:56) Rookies in Redraft(45:23) Marvin Harrison vs Garrett Wilson(47:40) Tetairoa McMillan Ceiling(49:45) Jaydon Blue OutlookConnect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. Oh yeah, we are so back. We are. We are back. Tuesday, June 10th. Welcome in one and all Mike Wright, Jason Moore, Andy Holloway, the fantasy footballers. Tuesday episode got news to catch up on. We got mailbagged today. We'll answer some questions. We'll talk surprising fantasy football teams or teams that we're predicting to be surprising for the upcoming season. So that should be fun. We've been getting a smattering of he's reporting he's not reporting news around mini camp. He's reporting he's not playing. He's reporting, he's not reporting news around Minicamp. He's reporting, he's not playing,

he's not participating, but he's there. Which, if you look at Deuces Alley right now, we have a non-reporting. I don't know if it's contractual, but Al Borland not reporting to Minicamp right now. So we're in negotiations with- He is holding out for a very long time. Now, he's on a boat, which most of the news

with NFL players in boats is not good. So I hope he's making good boat decisions. Actually, he made a really bad one. Did he? Yeah. You already know about this? I do. What did he do?

He forgot to pack his CPAP charger. No. Yeah, he's 10 days on a boat. That phrase alone is outing this man on multiple levels. You're darn right. You're darn right. So he's CPAP? So he might not come back.

There's a 50-50 chance he dies. What? Wait. Oh, wait. So he's on a boat. There's no way to get one. Right. Can you get a little Amazon drone to the boat?

Yeah, I mean, he's going to Alaska. He's still somewhere where I'm sure he can. Maybe stealing from a bear. He forgot a CPAP charger? Yeah, he said he might throw a fat man off the boat so he can steal his charger. Oh, okay. Is there an alternative, like a mouth-to-mouth CPAP

emergency situation? I like it of bellows, and just doing a manual. Manual bellows? That's how they used to CPAP. By the way, they didn't have these machines. We weren't nearly as fat a long time ago. OK, OK. Wow.

Don't listen, Al. Don't listen today. Enjoy the boat. I got a CPAP. Enjoy. Enjoy. I'll tell Al myself. I'm a bit of a CPAP expert myself.

Been around the CPAP block. Oh, Jeremy's chiming in. Jeremy, go back to vacation. Oh my gosh. How in the world? Oh, okay. Yeah, he's... Go back to vacation, buddy.

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The question is, what team do you think will surprise the most this season? I saw this question in there. My first reaction was, OK, do they want us to say what team we think is going to compete? I figured no. I Jacksonville Jaguars were a very, very, very bad team last year. Obviously the injury to Trevor Lawrence didn't help, lost their coaching staff. They were 26th in points per game. Travis Etienne was a disaster. There was really no value, even though Tate Bigsby was a better running back. He wasn't good for fantasy.

Yeah, he showed up just enough to guarantee Etienne was irrelevant. I think Bigsby was a better running back. He wasn't good for fantasy. You had- Yeah, he showed up just enough to guarantee ETN was irrelevant. And Evan Ingram destroyed people, including the Jaguars. I mean, this is a guy who, I know you guys are in on Evan Ingram this year, but he was 7.8 yards per catch. I mean, that's just, that's a bad play,

a bad passing play for an offense is, and they did it a lot. So coming in this year, obviously they had one bright spot last year, Brian Thomas Jr. came on the scene and was incredible rookie breakout, a star immediately in the NFL. Then they trade this year up for Travis Hunter, so I think I look at the weapons,

they're saying the ETN's looking better right now in camp. If Trevor Lawrence- Addition by subtraction with Gabe Davis leaving? Absolutely. I mean, Gabe Davis, Christian Kirk, Evan Ingram, it's out with the old, and hopefully in with the new hotness in Brian Thomas Jr. and Travis Hunter, Trevor Lawrence back healthy. Dianne Brown? Yeah, Dianne Brown is out there. So this is a team that I think might surprise. They have the sixth easiest strength of schedule as far as when you're looking at projected lines

going forward, not just based on last year. They added Bashelle Tooten in the draft. A lot of people's, you know, fantasy, thank you, fantasy darling sleeper. Not ours though, right? Not mine personally. Not mine. Yeah, I don't necessarily. He's a guy of like, We want him to be aware and be paying attention to camp

cause it's not impossible. You can tell when he walks in a room. Yeah. And you got Mr. Duvall in town, which. Duvall. Yeah, Liam Cohen did a lot of work last year for Baker and that offense. He's a goober, but maybe he can figure it out for the offense.

I went with the Raiders. The Raiders are 27th in yards per game, 29th in points per game. Altogether, irrelevant last year. You didn't have a quarterback that mattered throughout the season. You certainly didn't have a running back that mattered other than what, like a single Sincere McCormick event that happened later in the year. Madison was getting touchdowns on the Reds for a little bit. Yeah, Madison's Amirah White, Amir Abdullah, Sincere McCormick event that happened later in the year. Madison was getting touchdowns on the Reds for a little bit. Madison, Zemir White, Amir Abdullah, Sincere McCormick,

some ensemble. Zemir was one of the biggest draft busts. If you targeted him anywhere in the draft, he did nothing. You got a new head coach, Pete Carroll. You got a new offensive coordinator in Chip Kelly. You got a new quarterback in Geno Smith. You got a new running back corp in Gentie and Mostert. You've got a new wide receiver, Jack Bes. You got a new running back Cora and Gentie and most or you've got a new wide

Receiver Jack bash coming in second round pick to me it looks like Yeah, I mean I he doesn't barely need to be mentioned you're gonna have potentially a top three tight end maybe a top three running back in Gentie Probably, you know, I think either Jacobi Meyer surprises to the positive side, I think is in our values, because you have a competent offense and a quarterback, or you have a rookie that makes a big mark in Jack Besh.

I don't think that you're gonna have no production from the wide receiver room with what you have in play action now, with what you have in Brock Bowers now from the way you, you know, move a defense around. So I think Jacoby Myers and Jack Besh become relevant this year. I think Gino is very streamable and maybe looks better than that at some point in the season and there's just a lot of excitement and optimism. They basically just re-did the entire meaningful parts of the team. Brock Bauer stayed around but, you know, I think the Raiders are a team we're

gonna be talking about instead of bemoaning. Yeah, that makes sense. They were worthless last year. Yeah. Mike, do you have a squad? The quick one off the top of my head is the 49ers. And look, yeah, Kittle, well Kittle's being under-drafted as he always is.

McCaffrey is the wild card, but Brock Purdy's good. Brock Purdy can supply us with- Brock Purdy? Yeah. We gotta slow down on the chickens. But I think Purdy can give us at least two pass catchers, like Kittle plus games of Jennings, or does Pierce all take the next step in his second year.

But the ADPs of the 49er wide receivers are in a place where they are very appealing to me. And I think that they can, I expect them to out-produce the ADP. It's not a guy, oh, I'm gonna take the chance, we'll see what happens. No, I expect one of those guys between Jennings and Pearsall to be a weekly flex play at the worst.

Yeah, six and eleven season last year after three winning seasons in a row, but I think most people expect them to be competitive this year. Yeah, they have a very easy schedule as well. I think the easiest. Yeah, they're set up for success. If you look at the odds to win the division, odds to get out of the NFC and go to the Super Bowl, they're still high up there despite losing so much talent on both sides of the ball this off season. Imagine a world where you could donate some draft picks

for a better schedule. And play that gamble. I gotta trade your third rounder for? Slightly, like to get a better schedule in the NFL. I get to play the Browns For a third, right? All right, let's talk some news News and notes from around the league

Well, it happened officially the Steelers agreed to terms with quarterback Hall of Famer Aaron Aaron Rodgers, one year deal. He is the Steelers quarterback, it is what we expected to happen. He waited long enough to miss some stuff and he'll be the guy. He's got a deal that includes 10 million guaranteed worth up to 19.5, he's 41 years old.

And he's just been on fire, you know? Yeah. His career is about to on fire, you know? Yeah. His career is about to resurge back to superstardom. Maybe you're talking about his completion percentage declining for his straight years. You mean going 71 to 69 to 65 to 63% last year? Or his yards per attempt declining. Going from 8.2 to 7.7 to 6.8 to 6.7 last year?

Sacrate going up. Oh, those numbers are going up. The sac rate didn't go down, man. Yeah, that's true, it went up. 3.7, 5.4, 5.6, 6.4 last year. I saw some, I don't know if you guys knew this, Jason's not super bullish on the acquisition of Aaron Rodgers.

I expect it to work fine for Pittsburgh. I certainly think it's good for DK Metcalf. Like, you know, for the pass catchers, this is an upgrade, but I do think from a team standpoint, this has always been Mike Tomlin's team. This is the Steelers and their identity. Aaron Rodgers is not, this is, in Aaron Rodgers' mind, this is Aaron Rodgers' team, period now.

I don't, I think Aaron Rogers' team, period now. I don't. I think Aaron Rogers is a good teammate. Oh, I'm not saying he's a bad teammate. I'm just saying he's going to decide what happens. I think Big Ben's a big personality. I think AB is a big personality. I think Paul Amalu is a big personality.

I think they've had a lot of those guys, and that's what Tomlin does best. I don't know if I agree with the great-for catcher situation believe it or not just in the sense that yes it's better than what they had but I don't think Metcalf is a great fit for Aaron Rodgers. Metcalf is not Devonte Adams or anything close to it. He is imprecise. He is not an incredible route runner. He does not you know do everything that Devonte Adams does well and then you look up and it's like who else do you have around him?

Like that's I guarantee this team signed somebody that matters Amari Cooper Keane and Alan Somebody like that is going to end up on the Steelers, and then we're all going to be sitting here And you're regrettably have to talk about more possibly relevant players that we think Aaron will prop up and more possibly relevant players that we think Aaron will prop up. And unfortunately, all those numbers. I assume it will be Alan Lazard. They'll train him. Yeah, clearly. He's said he may not want to do that. Despite the completion percentage, yards per attempt

and sack rate that you just mentioned, Devontae Adams is incredible with him. And Garrett Wilson was incredible with him. Yeah, you had, if Garrett Wilson and Devonte Adams, you know, could fuse into one statistical player from last year, you would have been really, really happy with the fantasy output. Nick Chubb signs a one-year deal, $2.5 million, so not a lot of money to go be a backup in good old Houston.

So he was a member of the Texans. Could be worth up to five million with incentives. He's 29.4 years old. We all love Nick Chubb. He's had an amazing career. Does he have anything left? So he had the knee injury two years ago. We forget about the foot.

Yeah, he broke his foot. Last year. He was trying to make the comeback. It looked like a man who was not back yet, but then he broke his foot. So he would even further back it. Does Nick Chubb have anything left? I think there's a good spot. Just to yes, I agree with I think this is a great shot that the Texans have have taken here of what it is real cheap. What if Nick Chubb does have something left? And if he doesn't, they're not in a situation

where they're putting their hopes on Nick Chubb, they've got Joe Mixon. Yeah, Mixon multiple times last year dealt with injury. He had high ankle sprains a couple of times. They did need somebody to come in. Weren't they running out Cam Akers? Yes. I mean, I think they picked Cam Akers late in the season.

Well, no, Akers then went to Minnesota. I think he started on Houston and then went to... Yeah, I mean, they've needed some depth there, so it does make sense in that way. CJ's rolling out a Goomba Wall-A. CJ Stroud resumed throwing at Minicamp. I didn't see this on my dynasty bingo card years ago, but Rashad Bateman signs a three year,

$36 million contract extension. Get that money. 20 million guaranteed. Last year, 45 receptions for 756 yards, which is a 16.8 clip. Nine touchdowns and cashed in on those nine touchdowns. You take that season, those numbers, and you throw three touchdowns up on the board meaningless season you don't get this contract meaningless season you put that

you you catch 45 passes but you score nine times good generational wealth good job agent I have Bateman is I think he's a little interesting he's always been a late-run guy underrated in the sense that when he's on I think he's a little interesting. As a late run guy. He's always been a little underrated in the sense that when he's on the field, he's been, like he's an okay player. He just had missed so much time. 12 games as a rookie, six games the next year. I mean, okay.

You got DeAndre Hopkins there, Zay Flowers there. For fantasy, I don't think that there's enough here to be excited about for Bateman. He's gotta get the touch. If this was best ball, and you're just gonna get the big play opportunity, that's fine, but in season-long leagues, I can't. Mooney or Bateman?

I think I'd rather have Mooney. Okay, that's about the right category. That's pretty, that's close. Yeah. Anthony Richardson aggravated his right shoulder injury, will not be participating in mini camp, dealing with inflammation in the shoulder. They believe he'll be ready for training camp.

I mean, that is the same shoulder, the same injury he was dealing with. So this is really bad news coming into, you know. Competition. Yeah, coming off the off season and now you're injured. That's just, it's a bad look. Feels a little Tray Lancy. Oh, don't say that.

I mean, this is, I think this is devastating. Devastating for Richardson. I would expect Daniel Jones at this point to be, I mean, I think we probably had him as a starter, but we imagine there'll be a change at some point during the year, but it's gonna set Richardson back yet again. He needed to develop. That was the thing, we, we last off season when he was everybody's darling pick, it was like, if you look at the numbers, Jayden Daniels has

all this collegiate experience five years. And then you had Anthony Richardson with basically a year. So developmental time, fix mechanics, fix the things that plagued you when you were inaccurate. Now it's all gone. You don't get to do that. So yeah, I guess in that respect, it's definitely setting you back.

And Michael Pittman, also not at minicamp, but it doesn't sound like a serious injury. Amon Ra St. Brown told reporters this past week he underwent a clean-up surgery in his knee. How did we not know this? Like how did we? Which, the Amon Ra? The Amon Ra.

Yeah, I mean, it happens every year. Quiet clean up. It happens every year. I mean, people didn't know you had a CPAP until a minute ago. Ah, that's true. Now the world knows. I think they could have assumed.

Let's look, Amon-Ramon. Are you hoping to retire? Is there a way that you could retire that CPAP? Yeah, yeah, that's the hope. You get healthy, you no longer need help breathing. Put that thing, put the banner up. Is there like a setting? Like fat and then less fat and then.

You put in your weight and then it just, you know. Less air. Blows lighter. Amon-Roy is a dog, he's gonna play through whatever injury. He's not gonna complain about it. And then, I don't know, apparently, I'm guessing he was on a, I don't know, he told reporters, it just came up.

And he's like, yeah, that's how awesome I am. I was playing hurt. I wonder if we need cleanups and we just don't get them. Cause we're not athletes. Oh, I got, my right knee is. You need a clean up? Bro, if I go into any sort of squatted position to stand up, that thing goes.

Wow, I need someone else's left shoulder. Oh. Yeah, mine's bad. You need a swap though, you're saying. Right, yeah. You want a full swap. I don't want a clean up. I just want like a healthy man's shoulder.

If there's a two for one, Mike, my left knee, your right, maybe we can get a doctor to do that. What else is going on? Minicamp holdouts, I talked about it earlier. Terry McLaurin not attending Minicamp. He is frustrated with a lack of progress on a long-term deal. He is trying to Bateman here.

He's trying to take his 13 touchdowns and get that cash, which he should. I believe he is also in the final year of his deal. This is the last check for McLaurin. The last, yeah, the last big boy. Yeah, and he is. He is in the final year of his current contract. Johnny Smith not at mandatory Manny Camp.

Him and Jalen Ramsey taking it off. Ramsey wants a trade and John New Smith wants money. Wants to be paid. Yeah, there you go. Well done. Yeah, I saw you weren't gonna hit the mark, so I had to step in. I didn't.

James Cook, despite a bunch of negativity coming out, in fact there was a report of him basically distancing himself from everything related to the... Related to Buffalo's on his house. Adam Schafter, yeah, he basically disconnected himself from the organization, put his house up for sale. He said, quote, I don't think we'll be seeing him in Buffalo anytime soon. He showed up at Minicamp. Well, because he knows that the contract is not coming.

And should he skip Minicamp, he's going to get fined. Terry can bet on the new contract covering his losses. And James Cook cannot bet on that right now. Anything else? Josh Oliver, three year big money extension tied in for the Vikings. Whenever these deals happen, people sometimes are like, wait, what? Yeah. But the tied in can be so valuable to a team

without a fantasy player uttering their name. There's boring players in football who don't get his fantasy points, and they need money too. 19 million in total guarantees now. Good for you. But draft TJ Hawkinson. All right, we will take a break and we'll jump into some mailbag. ["Mailbag"] All right, we're gonna answer some of your questions.

You ready, Mike? Yep. ["Mailbag"] Mailbag. Mailbag, woo! Very nice, very nice. If you have a question, you can go to the website, thefantasyfootballers.com, click the submit a question button or you can dial the voicemail hotline 302-464-TFFB. Is this a good voicemail in here, Papa Josh? It is. All right, let's do that. Hey ballers, Doc here from Atlanta. Who's your must draft RB outside of the top 20 right now?

Thanks. OK. So RB not going in the top 20 that? Sounds like a doctor, too, if you want to do the cleanup thing. He said he was a doc, so. Well, then I'm not going to give my answer until he rolls through the studio.

Smart, Mike, smart. You can't pay out until the doctor has paid out. I mean, it's kind of, um. Right now it's all the rookies, but I doubt they stay there. I mean, I'll throw a non-rookie out, Deandre Swift. I mean, to me, I think Deandre Swift has a huge opportunity. I don't like saying it out loud.

No one likes saying it out loud. My name is Jason Moore, and I like Deandre Swift this year. I would say if you're talking about the later guys that aren't the rookies, because certainly it's all the rookies right now. I want them all, I'm drafting them all. Like Caleb Johnson. I love Caleb Johnson, but I would throw Brian Robinson Jr. out there.

He's way, he's being drafted way later than what his opportunity is. I don't, you know, his talent, he's okay. He's average. I will, there's, Isaac Gerrindo. Sure. I wanna say the name out loud.

I think that he is still just insurance, though. Are you saying draft him? Like, you think you'll have enough of a role? I'm saying if you, we've spent time drafting Elijah Mitchell in the past with Christian McCaffrey there. This is a thought exercise, right? Like maybe we need to take that approach with Isaac Gurindo

where he's kind of a high value insurance back that may have some week to week availability. Like Elijah Mitchell would get play sometimes and have a good fourth quarter and things like that. You're either gonna have more of a committee where a garindo is relevant or less of a committee where a garindo is gonna be relevant due to injury. Those are the two outcomes to me. That's what it is to me.

I think McCaffrey's gonna come right back into his full workload. Garindo is very athletic. We saw the juice last year of, okay. And they let Jordan Mason go. Yeah. And Mitchell go. Yes, okay. And they let Jordan Mason go. Yeah. And Mitchell go. Yes, and they didn't draft anyone of note.

So yeah, Garendo is a high value insurance running back, but I think that's all that he is. When's the last time? I would love to know this, and Kyle, you can effort it. We can come back to it later in the mail back. I wanna know the last time that we didn't have a relevant fantasy backup for the 49ers during the year.

Because are we on five, six years straight? No. I would say it was the year that- Of mattering? That Christian McCaffrey was the dominant, number one running back two years ago. McCaffrey had two, I mean, I'll just, let me vet it real quick.

But two years. San Francisco, 2022, he was the RB2. The following year, he was the RB1. And we didn't have anybody those years. No, but you draft them. That was 22 and 23? Correct. And we didn't have any Elijah Mitchell

relevance in those two years? No. OK. The name I'll throw out is. Well, it feels like you always do. By the way, he was. Yes, it feels like it. Yeah, Mitchell was the RB 25 in 2021.

Yeah. OK. It's Jordan Mason for the Minnesota Vikings. I know their situation is strange because Aaron Jones just got paid and had the most opportunities of his career. But they traded for and then paid Jordan Mason. To me, making it more of an ambiguous situation where we like to take shots on this, especially a

very high-powered offense like the Minnesota Vikings should be. Like Jordan Mason, Aaron Jones is at a draft point where it's fine. Like he's not really in that fourth round dead zone where you're, where you're bypassing high level wide receivers. But I think that there is a, a strong chance that, that Jordan Mason is in a full time share or Jordan Mason is ends up being the lead runner and Aaron Jones is brought in as the, as the third down guy. Jordan Mason is a much better, or at least was a much better zone runner this past year.

And he is in the double digit rounds and I think that Jordan Mason should be looked at as a, if you're a zero RB type of a build, Jordan Mason should be a priority. It would not be shocking if they just get equal work, if they just split it down the middle and one of them's being drafted way later. Yep.

All right, this Instagram question comes from FatboyAaron. So another. Hey, CPAP bro. CPAP bro. I knew that was coming. Do I actually have to worry about Kyron Williams still not having a contract with the Rams? Jason and I have been, every once in a while

in the middle of the office, Jason will be like, so yeah, did Kyron sign anything today? It's just the ETA on that Kyron contract. I would say no. It's not relevant to you? You don't worry about it? I do not worry about it. See, I think they love Jaquez Hunter.

And I think they have Blake Corum, and I think that they don't want to make a Todd Gurley mistake and overpay. Now, I think they have Blake Corum, and I think that they don't want to make a Todd Gurley mistake and overpay. Now, I think they'll probably sign him. That's why I think it's taking so long. They'll probably sign him. They're working through all the, I get the, you know, all the behind the scenes stuff,

and they're like, oh man, we love Hunter. McVeigh loves his guys. I mean, it's a fourth round pick, so it's not like fully irrelevant. Right, I mean, it's a fourth round pick, so it's not fully irrelevant. Right. The fact that they took Blake Coram in the third last year, and we had concerns, OK, are they signaling us that they don't want to use Kyron as a true workhorse

with a day two running back, that part didn't come through. So I'm not going to write off Hunter and say it's an impossibility, but I don't care about the contract right now, because- When will you? Probably never. This is the final year, right? For dynasty, for dynasty, I care a lot.

But in redraft leagues, I think if they come in and he's on a contract year, they're gonna just run him into the ground. Dead last in running backs, among running backs and yards per round, back to back years. They have some room in the passing game, I think, but he's been so dominant in the red zone. Which Hunter, maybe Hunter steps into that role,

but the goal line and all those things, seeing the success that Kyron has had the last two years, I don't see them moving away. All right, Instagram question, Kyron Williams or Bucky Irving? Gigi writing in. Kyron or Bucky, so I'll follow up on the Kyron question. If it were me on the clock, I'd take Bucky.

The issue that I have, so if you're saying Bucky or Kyron straight up and they cost the clock, I'd take Bucky. The issue that I have, so if you're saying Bucky or Kyron straight up and they cost the same, yes, okay then then I probably would lean the Bucky side. I'm a big Kyron believer, but Kyron is over a full round later. You know Kyron is being drafted in a place where I think it's borderline inappropriate. Sure. So I will take Kyron. I'll definitely take the Kyron side because I'll get another running back or a better wide receiver.

I think we all think Bucky's being drafted at or above his ceiling, which is too expensive. Because he's such an exciting player. Yeah, that's where I was taking, I wasn't, yeah, I'm with you, I agree completely. Like if it's equal cost, I want the more exciting, younger, explosive, a little bit more like unknown to Bucky. Let's see what he can do there.

But, I mean a round later means you get an incredible pick in the second round and then you add Kyron. It's just hard to imagine flip-flopping that and taking another wide receiver in the third and having it feel as good as Kyron, it's just hard to imagine flip-flopping that and taking another wide receiver in the third and having it feel as good as Kyron plus that second round pick. I agree. All right, D. Hoke writes in on Instagram,

rather have DK Metcalf or Rashi Rice as a flex. So those guys are going quite close to each other on a sleeper. Now on basketball Rice is going much much higher than Matt Keff. Looking at the underdog ADP you got Rice at wide receiver 14 and DK down at 27. So that does certainly change. Do you think DK will go higher? A little bit. Not a lot in basketball, but a little bit, yeah. With the signing.

Because of Rogers? Yeah, with the signing. Your ceiling goes up with Rogers. I'm guessing that most of the Super DGems that have been drafting basketball teams over the off season were like, Aaron Rogers is going to be there, and they were drafting accordingly.

So he'll go up a little bit, but I think he'll cap out probably like 24. I think Metcalf has, he's always got the built in possibility of 12 touchdowns, 13 touchdowns. Yeah, he does. That's definitely gonna be possible in Pittsburgh. It's close. I would lean Metcalf. Yeah, to me, I mean, Rushy Rice, I think you brought him

up as a wild card, Andy. This is his range of outcomes. It's extremely vast, but... I don't see him. The question is, who would you rather have as a flex? It's Metcalf, because Rushy Rice isn't a flex. Rushy Rice, he's up in my wide receiver two. Yeah, but imagine if he was your flex. That'd be pretty cool. That'd be great. I think Rushy Rice is going to be wonderful. Every week, you start him every week, consistent, reliable, the number one target for Patrick Mahomes,

but he is way riskier than DK Metcalf. DK Metcalf, I feel like is, you know what you're getting. You're getting a wide receiver two or.K. Metcalf. D.K. Metcalf, I feel like is, you know what you're getting. You're getting a wide receiver too, or better than D.K. Metcalf for sure. You're not necessarily with Rushie Rice. Both have a lot of wild card potential when you have new home for Metcalf, new quarterback,

Arthur Smith always bringing his C game. The Arthur Smith top targets there are bringing his sea game the Arthur Smith top targets Kyle just shared this with us so in 2021 Kyle Pitts was a 20% target share thousand yards or it was that the thousand yards 21 sounds right one touchdown the next two years Drake London was the target share winner but four touchdowns two touchdowns and this past year was George Pickens But a 26 percent target share bought three touchdowns. I yeah, I mean that's true But Desmond Ritter and you know Russell Wilson and I

Don't know how those quarterbacks don't throw touchdowns right though that it's not Arthur Smith Those quarterbacks don't throw touchdowns. Right. That, it's not Arthur Smith stopping them from the touchdowns there. Was it Pitt's first, was that Matt Ryan? I think his first year was Matt Ryan. Let me just double check that. Yeah, that was Matt Ryan.

Yeah. That's fine. I think there, you, I think DK's floor is actually really low. Really? I do. I think that it could, I think it can be just like George Pickens last year where you... Spike Weeks are always possible. You loved George Pickens last year. No. I didn't love

him. I didn't love what I was getting. Going into it. Yes. Yeah. But then that didn't work. Metcalfe's... I think Metcalfe will probably end up being one of the dumbest mistakes people make, not taking him really. I agree. I think it's just stupid. I mean, fifth round for a guy that's gonna be soaking up every target in Pittsburgh. There's no one else to throw the ball to.

You got Roman Wilson as a hope. You just traded everything for him. And then paid the man. And then paid him. An insane amount of money. That one seems so obvious to me. I agree. He's very obvious to me as a value in the draft.

He seems so obviously scary to me. I really think the floor is incredibly low. Oh, man. I think he's probably the safest. He's wide receiver 31 last year in 15 games for Seattle. Oh, yeah. With a better quarterback. JSN took over and started taking all the targets. Right. But if you are that good, then JSN's not

going to take all the targets. What are JSN's that good? Yeah, maybe. Maybe. But I'm saying DK Metcalf. I mean, the Steelers said it with their actions. They did. Of course. But they also said that Aaron Rodgers is the plan. They said we don't want George Pickens too. Yeah. They said we don't want George Pickens too. They said we don't want George Pickens, we want DK McCav, we'll pay him everything, and we'll grab Aaron Rodgers. It'll be interesting, but this is the type of, whether it's right or wrong,

this is the type of situation that ends up being the oh duh situation. There's a handful of these every year that won't move up because of the tea. Yeah, like what you just said, that's in the back of people's heads. Mm hmm. DK Mac have just kind of plateaued in Seattle and like didn't care that much

and missed some games here and there and, and we'll see. But I'm in Instagram. Get on my Kevill says, uh, when do the ballers go to three, four, and five shows a week on the podcast? Great question, great question. July, we go, we kick it up a notch. We go three episodes then. It's not far away. No, that's the next month. I will say the first week of July won't be because that will be the-

Fourth of July. The Fourth of July observance. But July is three and then August is five. There is. All the way through the end of the season. Yeah, there's never technically a main fantasy footballer is a four. A what?

Like we're never at four shows a week. Correct, yeah, three and then to five. And even in the off season, technically, we're kinda like every day, cause Spitballers is Monday, and the main show's Tuesday, and then Dynasties on Wednesday, and then the main show's on Thursday,

and the footcast is on Thursday. So bonus episode for supporters to join thefoot.com. And then on Friday, the DFS and betting show's back. Yeah, we're everywhere. We should totally cut that down. No, you've you've always got something to listen to. This question comes in from Raj. Has Zay Flowers reached his ceiling? No, he's had four touchdowns last year. Like you know what I mean? Like if he did exactly what he

did last year and he just ends up with the nine touchdowns, I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility with Lamar. I do. You just think he will never... So what is his career high? When he retires his career high and touchdowns at six, I'll take the over on that. Okay. Yeah, I mean I would have answered the question plainly, yes. What we've seen from Zay Flowers the past two years has been nearly identical, and I think it's exactly

what the Ravens want from him in the offense. So to me, he's never gonna be a eight to 10 touchdown guy. I think it's unlikely, but I'm on Jason's side of, I think he is a good enough player that- He's quarterbacked through 40 last year. I am, I get that part. Freaking Rashad Bateman taking nine touchdowns. And a couple tight ends.

Yeah, but Trey Flowers is of the talent level that it wouldn't be surprising to me if he got up to eight this year. Five, nine, 175? I think it's not an insult to say a player is doing everything they should be doing for the team. So I think Zay Flowers just probably doesn't profile or will ever profile as a top upper echelon guy

because of his stature and routery. His size says that he's not gonna be the-out end zone threat that the Mark Andrews is around the goal line, but simply the fact that he is a very talented jitterbug with a great quarterback and a great offense and touchdowns are very hard to predict. They're not sticky from one year to the next and guys who aren't prolific touchdown scorers have those outlier seasons where they did get 10 touchdowns. Landry had one. He had one. Exactly.

That is the best example. Landry was 5, 4, 4, 4, 6, 3, 2, 1, and then he had a 9. There you go. So out of a eight-year season, he had one huge one in Miami. And Flowers is a good wide receiver. So I think he's capable of doing that. That's not necessarily the obvious path and the target. But yeah, I don't think we've I don't think he's reached his ceiling. Last year was 116 targets. 74 catches the year before 108 and 77 solid, solid

wide receiver. Good player. He's only ever had eight red zone targets. That's wild. Last or last year only ever had eight red zone targets. That's wild. Last year he had eight red zone targets. Okay, okay. I was like, why both? So at least at this juncture with Bateman and those guys, he hasn't been schemed to be a threat down there, but you never know.

They have Hopkins now too, by the way. And Hopkins is a red zone wide receiver. So to me, it's a year away from that outlier. I keep forgetting about, I keep forgetting they have Hopkins. Yeah, they have Hopkins and Bateman and the two tight ends down in that red zone that are going to do some work. Hopkins, if he can do anything at this stage of his career,

he can run a slant. He can run a slant and catch the football. He did it in Kansas City. He did that repeatedly. But yeah, he's almost dead. Greg in Florida. We'll get to his question in just a second. dynasty question from Greg in Florida.

Would you trade CMC away for Omarion Hampton if you're a win now team? It's driving me crazy because I want the youth, but I want the title more. And we have been very vocal talking about Hampton might be a year away. I mean, the comments from the offensive coordinator in Giro Los Angeles

have been how impressed he is with Najee Harris's knowledge of the offense. So that just reinforces a little bit of the two-headed monster at a minimum this year. Man. I mean your odds of Hampton, I don't think Hampton can have a full on rookie breakout with Nasji healthy, that's the truth. I think he could be very good,

but I don't think you can have a full on breakout. I tend to agree with that, and this is coming from, the two of us both love Hampton as a prospect, we were more bullish on him than Mike was. I still think I would do this trade. If I could trade CMC for Hampton on a dynasty, I get that you wanna win the championship, but I don't think that this means you can't win

a championship with Omarion Hampton. It's just the value. And it's gonna be harder. Maybe. Oh, that is such a brutal decision. I mean, there's also the world where CMC is not helping you win a title. Yeah.

Because he's injured again, or, you know, he's older. So, it's not a guarantee. Keeping CMC does not guarantee you a title. If you said. But I think it's a higher probability. I would agree, I would agree. But the value difference here for Hampton, I would just rather have him on a dynasty roster.

Hard of like Hampton, Hampton's gonna be, I think, fantastic for fantasy in his career, where McCaffrey's like, do you have two? Two potential years of Christian McCaffrey, do you have three? I think it's two, with the chance of three. So I mean, if you obviously, you would look back upon this trade to see if you want to lose. Because if you get three years of Christian McCaffrey

being still a top five guy, then I think you feel bad that you made the trade. For sure. Yeah, the McCaffrey decision making is gonna be a tough one for people. It really, really is. Because it can be a huge mistake. It really can. And it doesn't just come through injury. Just comes from change.

We did see him, we saw him in four games last year. He was okay. I mean, I know you talk about the breakaway run he got hurt on yeah but the weeks before I mean he was not he was never finished as a top ten running back last year in his four games and it will just I don't know I don't know what he has and what he doesn't have it's just a bet on a hard-working former top tier running back that whenever he's been healthy, he's been that guy.

But that's a 29 to 22 year old gap. You're at the end here for Christian McCaffrey, but that's the thing for McCaffrey is it's always just been injury. You can have guys who have incredible careers where they just had a down year. McCaffrey has never had a down year. But he will.

He has to, because all players do. It's just a matter of are you playing the Derek Henry gamble? Right. Like Henry will too, by the way. Henry will eventually not have a good year. That will happen. But not today.

Probably not today, but let me put it this way for you. The year is 2043. You're making the decision, and I think I can make this question simple for you. If you get RB12 from CMC for two straight years, do you take Hampton in the deal? If I told you the next two years you get the RB12 from CMC, who do you take in the deal?

Man. Jason, you can answer. Yeah, mine is Hampton for sure. Okay, so what if you get the RB8 for two straight years? Would you take Hampton or would you take CMC? Because I think this is the path to the answer. The path to the answer is what's the realistic finish for McCaffrey that makes you happy,

and how high are the odds that you get it? I think what you are saying when you word this question is, you're hoping that Christian McCaffrey's a top three back. That's it. You're saying that this is, he's bringing me a championship. If he's not doing that and he's just a good back, then I would rather have the seven years and the age gap. And then how would you handicap top three

for McCaffrey this year? Mike might handicap it different, but to me, no matter what, those odds are still, the best of the best is still not above 50%. Yeah, above 50%. Why did I sound like a bird right there? I don't know, man, I was letting it go. I think he's still got as high of odds

to be a top three back as I mean just about anyone like if you told me Christian McCaffrey plays 17 games he's a top three running back yeah I would I would say he's got the highest odds of everyone like Bijon I would put Christian McCaffrey there higher if he's playing 17 that's a Kwan yeah I mean yeah Christian McCaffrey's gonna catch a lot more passes. Okay, all right. I mean, look, it's not gonna be the last time

we talk about CMC this off season. No, it won't. Sam wants to know, is it bad to have a lot of rookies in a starting lineup in a redraft league? No. No. Next question. Yeah, that was pretty easy. On average, wide receiver wise, four rookie wide receivers

finish in the top 36 every year. Two rookie running backs finish in the top 24 every year. So your odds are not, your eye that you're going to hit on all of them. And the pathway for rookies can be bumpy. It can be an onboarding, right? You can have the first six weeks not look great You know Caleb Johnson, when does he come on?

Maybe Judkins gets it going from the beginning Maybe not maybe it may be Hampton's a second half guy. That's kind of the tough part of starting them week one But if you did it with Bowers last year you were happy. Yeah. And he went late in drafts. And even Brian Thomas, like he you had in that first half you had a top eight, wide receiver nine, wide receiver four, but you had a lot of bumps in there. So and the fact of will there be a Brian Thomas-Lad McConkey breakout this year at the wide receiver position and that feels less likely than last year. We have a couple of questions that I can already smell the discussions.

Instagram question from Tim, Garrett Wilson or Marvin Harrison Jr. Mike, you were observing Marv's triceps earlier this week. Yeah, have you seen him? Yeah, he looks strong. Goodness gracious. The lighting was also better. The lighting was a lot better. There was some Photoshop in that.

There was, that was not human meat. That was, that photo was. I mean, he looked strong and he did work out. I mean you look at him in the interviews. He was obviously in that particular photo things are maximized the best they could. I'm sure he went and got a pump. I did some curls and some tricep work. I'd rather have Marvin for the chance of being a little bit higher ceiling than where Garrett is with the current Justin Fields universe, I mean,

we've kind of been, like we may be heading down the Garrett Wilson path with Marv, where we're just disappointed year after year, but that's been the Garrett Wilson experience, minus maybe, I mean last year even, last year was frustrating too. Like he finished at nine, but that doesn't tell the story of having him.

It was. Cause you had all these, I mean in the last eight weeks of the year. Once Devonte Adams showed up. Once Adams took over, but before that it was awesome. Except for the first four weeks when you were still a little bit disappointed.

So he had like a fire run of five straight weeks, but the ride wasn't very great. Yeah. I'm on the Marv side here for the exact thing you laid out, just the chance at something great. I don't think Garrett Wilson can be great with Justin Fields. That's just how I see it. I don't either.

I don't understand that. Are you making the DJ Moore argument? Yeah. Like, we saw it. There was a player who had never been great who said, he will never be great. He can't be great with Justin Fields and then he was. There were a ton of breakaway touchdowns on that and so yes. That year he threw for 2,500 yards so that's the thing is Kyler can throw for

4,200, 4,300 yards. Justin Fields peak season in New York this year is 3,000 yards. That math alone is creating a touchdown dependency for Garrett Wilson that frightens me. Yeah they're really close in my rankings so I don't I don't have a strong lean one way or the other if if I'm on the clock between the two of them I probably would take Wilson. What is Ted O'Rourke McMillan sealing as a rookie Instagram question from Rick? There have been some a little bit of you know puff piece hype news on Tedaro McMillan in camp and just how dominant he looks. So we have him ranked

as consensus 29 right now which I think we're we're leaving some room to move him. He's 34 in redraft but he's 22 in best ball because he does have you know he's got big week to week potential. What's his true ceiling as a rookie? Could he finish as the top 12 wide receiver? No not a top 12 I don't think but I think he can make it into the top 24 maybe in the top 20. He is wide receiver 22 for best ball. That's, it's a little rich. I totally understand it. And he, I don't think he'll go that high.

You know, the, the sleeper ADP right now has him as the wide receiver 34 and home leagues, which this, that is fantastic. That is a, that is the exact rookie profile that I want to go after of gives me margin that I already have the guys this isn't drafting Marv and saying well this is my wide receiver 2 we're gonna ride it's like no I mean he could be my wide receiver 4 with the potential to end up as a top 24 guy yeah I think his ceiling is probably around wide receiver 15 he's he profiles as the go up for the ball in

the end zone and get the big touchdowns. The issue here is does Bryce Young level up? Because if he doesn't then you know it's the same thing with Justin Fields. Yep. Where you're saying well if if Bryce Young goes out there and throws 18 touchdowns, well, you're not having a top 15 wide receiver season, but we did see, we saw Adam Thielen with Bryce Young, his rookie year, be hyper-targeted and be the number one for an offense where it was just like, it was working.

I mean, we played Adam Thielen like every single week. If T-Mac comes out and just is that number one target from the get-go, he could surprise and be, I think, pretty valuable. He's a good player. Low battery writes in on Instagram, our last question here, is there a chance Jaden Boot, Jaden Blue takes over as,

Jaden Boot? Takes over the Cowboys' backfield. Very low, he's tiny. Very low odds of taking over. You know who we have not talked about that should be talked about? If you want to fade Givante because of life history, and you want to fade Miles Sanders

because been there done that, and Jaden Blu's too small, nobody talks about Phil Maffa, who they drafted, who came out of Clemson, so he played at a competitive school, who was an 11, 1200 yard guy, and profiles to have that potential to me. I mean, he had 13 touchdowns as a junior,

eight as a senior. It's just because he was a seventh round pick. They took Jaden Blue in the fourth. Sometimes you do that though. The Shipley's of the world get drafted earlier than the Bangers. It's a wide open backfield is my point Yes, it is and if you're gonna mention blue to me. I feel like he's at least worth throwing Jaden blue is someone that

You you definitely can see a path for him becoming fantasy relevant becoming that pass catcher that more explosive guy that has juice that Javante and Miles Sanders don't have The issue about him taking over the backfield, because he is an undersized guy, he's 5'9", 200, you don't see him as a 300 opportunity player. No. As a day three draft pick, undersized. That's just not. He caught a ton of passes.

Yeah, and so that's kind of my expectation. If he becomes fantasy relevant, it's because he's playing that third down role, he's getting a bunch of check downs. You know, in a PPR league, he's someone you might be able to start. But I don't see a ceiling case for him really taking over and becoming the lead back for sure.

The toughest part is Blue's gonna be on that roster. And those other two guys are most likely gonna be on the roster, so Mafa's gonna have to fight to make it. Miles could be gone. I guess Miles could get caught for sure. I have a memory of his contract being... Rico was undrafted.

Yeah, it took him a long time though. It took him many, many years of proving himself. And they still have Deuce Vaughn, don't they? Yeah, he's probably still there. I don't think they can see him. I think they still have Deuce Vaughn on the... You couldn't tell if he's in the room? Yeah.

The Miles... Does he count towards the 53 man? Half a roster spot. Okay. Okay, that's just mean. You're paying me and the Deuce Vaughn. And Jason started that. Yeah.

The Miles Sanders guaranteed money is $167,000. If you took that approach on height, we'd have half a producer back there. Oh, that's a good point. You know what I mean? We don't do that kind of thing. We would never. We would never do that.

Probably good time to end the show. We got early breakout, sleepers, bus, and values coming up on some episodes of the show very, very soon. Underrated, overrated. We're going to do that as well. And don't forget the- What if roster spots were based on total team weight? I knew you were going to say that. I knew you were going to weigh. Like you get 10,000 pounds of meat.

10,000 pounds of roster? 10,000 pounds of roster. Wait, so do you weigh in like every- You have to weigh in every Sunday. Oh, for sure. You have to. Every spot's like a weigh in for UFC. Yeah, weigh in every Sunday for every way in for UFC? Yeah, and so if you're overweight, yeah, you either got a cut or cut a player I I like this new idea so you get every team's rosters not players. It's weight. Yeah

Greatest idea you've ever had. Thank you Man, so you do want to be very you got a huge old line. You're probably a you got a couple less special teamers on the roster. Yeah. Okay. Even the playing field. All right, well on that note. Thank goodness we're done. Goodbye everybody. We will be back very soon. Thursday episode and a footcast.

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