Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - NFL Coaching Changes + Fantasy Impact - Fantasy Football Podcast for 2/25

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

Fantasy Football talk for Feb 25, 2025. Find out which NFL coaching changes could have a major influence on the 2025 fantasy football season! Get a full breakdown of the new head coaches and most impacted players on today's fantasy football podcast. Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. Get the lowest price on the 2025 UDK at UltimateDraftKit.com - Order before March 1st for an entry to win a Listener League Spot! Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. Tuesday, February 25th, the fantasy footballers podcast. Mike Wright, Jason Moore, I'm Andy Holloway. Another great episode for you. How you doing today, Jason? Your head is bobbing. Yeah, well it usually is during this time of the show because, Mike, that music slaps. Thank you very much for creating it.

You are welcome. But also I love the coaching changes episode. We've hinted and talked in the news over the past couple months about these changes, but this is really, I mean this matters for fantasy football. I feel like Scheme, are they faster pace of play? And not that we have a perfect crystal ball. They will talk about some coaches on today's episode that I don't think their past is going to be indicative of their future, which might sound weird, but that's what we're trying to do here. Towards the positive? Towards the negative. Towards the negative for fantasy purposes.

It's about time. Well, I was going to say we have done this show every year and I feel like it's just human nature to naturally maybe look towards the rosy side of coaching changes and the positives that they can produce. But as we look at today, we'll look at maybe a quick one or two word reaction to all the head coaching changes from last season and how you're feeling about them now. And I don't know, I don't wanna be overly negative either.

It's just, there's so much turnover at the head coaching position and then specifically offensive coordinators consistency with offensive coordinators like that's just not something you're going to get much of anymore in the NFL. Yeah pretty much half the league as far as it at least at the offensive coordinator position changes it changed this year like most years it's about half the league so yeah there's there's not a lot of continuity which is why general managers I know some of you are

listening. Oh, tons of them, yeah. Dude, stop hiring defensive head coaches, okay? Because what's going to happen is if you have a good offense with your offensive coordinator, you're going to lose them. And then you start over. The only ones with consistent offensive output are the Sean McVeighs and the Andy Reeds and the Sean Payne.

It's like when the head coach is the designer, right? Then you get to keep that into the future That's just my opinion, which is correct. I mean I do feel like that that would be my hopes and dreams if I were a Organization in terms of having consistency. I mean yeah, but your Cardinals fan so you get John Cannon Yeah I mean you're a Cardinals fan, so you get John Gannon. Pew pew pew. Yeah, I mean, you do lose defensive coordinators then, right?

I mean, those are the ones that will go on to these stupid franchises, I guess, as you would say. They'll be back. Like, most of them are. Once they're done being a head coach, they'll be back. Staley, Sala. Yeah, Sala's back, yeah. Yeah, Gannon eventually.

We will get into all the coaching changes today. Gannon's a tough one to, like, how do you crack what's going on with the Arizona Cardinals? I think they were a four-win team. I'm not saying Gannon. Two years ago, they went up to eight. I'm not saying that Gannon is a bad coach at all. I'm saying saying the game next year is a bad coach at all I'm saying that the Arizona Cardinals are a bad franchise and therefore he will lose and therefore he will get

fired that I mean that's just kind of what happens for the car does one go from a bad franchise to a good franchise I don't think it is it is quoted there are two ways there are two ways to go from a bad franchise to a good franchise. Way number one, change of ownership. Because it's usually a problem with ownership. For the Cardinals, change of ownership. Way number two, draft a really good quarterback with the first pick.

Like the Bengals right now look like a good franchise because they got Joe Burrow. That's gonna heal a lot of wounds. But still a bad franchise. No, no, no, he's changed it into a good franchise whilst playing. But once he's gone will they go back? Absolutely.

He does seem to be the one forcing the issue with the free agent signing. Oh, he's doing great work. So we will get into coaching changes, talk through them all. Today we got news to catch you up on. Our shows last week were pre-recorded so we have some catch you up on. Our shows last week were pre-recorded, so we have some catch-up to do.

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Combine is approaching. Combine is next week right? Yeah 27th is the first day but not with players that we care about. Wait till Saturday. That's the big day for us fantasy fans. This week. It's wild. Alright, let's talk some news. News and notes from around the league. I mean, I guess we should get an update over here.

I'll Borland back in studio last week. We, we missed him. Um, good to see you're, you're still completely shielded from the cameras with that hat. Uh, you had been involved in a little hit and run. Oh yes. I can't remember. Were you the one that ran or was it the other? I was not.

Oh, it wasn't you. Uh, what, any progress vigilante justice, finding the person? I was not. Oh, it wasn't you. What, any progress? Vigilante justice? Finding the person that hit your vehicle? The police were able to give me the person's insurance information and all their personal info, so I've got an insurance claim started. They're doing the investigation. So do they, they don't give you- Boring.

They don't give you any details like we locked them up, we threw them in the slammer? No, they actually said there would be no consequences. No, they didn't. They did. Yeah. No, they didn't. They did. Yeah. For leaving? Correct.

The scene of an accident? They're not gonna do nothing. Correct. Is it because it's a parking lot? I guess. I don't know. They just said there wouldn't be any actual consequences. All right, let me write that down right here.

But their insurance should cover the damage to the vehicle. Jeremy did mention that the other day. And I'm like, what? That's not the society we should be living in. No, because I- You shouldn't be able to hit somebody in a parking lot, get out, look at the damage, say whoopsie-daisy, and drive off.

Yes, like this is out of control. You know what the rule should be for no consequences is, not only do you have to write a note, but it has to be like good penmanship. Oh, I'm in big trouble. You know what I mean? And some nice stationery. If you want- You're not talking like calligraphmanship. Oh, I'm in big trouble. You know what I mean? And some nice stationery. If you want.

You're not talking like calligraphy. I'm saying. Just nice, like legible. Yeah, it should. Do people still do that? Nah. Calligraphy? I remember my ma got into calligraphy.

I don't think my kids, I think cursive is for signing your name. I'll bet half of our audience right now doesn't have no idea what I said when I said calligraphy. Hey baby boy back there. Falcon. Falcon, do you know what calligraphy is? I do, yeah. Okay. What is it? Writing style. Yeah, no, that's good enough. Fancy writing. I mean, that's all I would call it. Fancy writing. People used to do a lot of that. Yeah. Man. Writing? Yeah. It seems boring. Man. Writing?

Yeah. This seems boring. Some news for you. Shadour Sanders will not work out this week in Indy. He'll throw out Pro Day. I'm shocked. We are unfortunately heading into a place, I mean, well, maybe lower level guys get more of an impact now, I guess, from the combine.

But it's like the top guys, they don't go. We got news that Ash and Gentie will not participate in the skills part of the combine. Because why? Why do it? Exactly. If you're locked in and there's nowhere to go but up, it unfortunately makes sense to not do it.

But Shador Sanders isn't locked in. That's the thing that's. He thinks he is. But Shadour Sanders isn't locked in. That's the thing that's... He thinks he is. He's locked enough. Yeah. He is locked in. I mean, I guess my point... What could Sanders do skill-wise that could hurt himself?

I think he would hurt himself. Yes. I think this is a smart decision to not do it because he doesn't profile as that extreme athleticism. If he's throwing the ball next to other guys throwing the ball, he's not going to look like, wow, look at that cannon rocket arm. And so this is probably a smart move, but it's also, to me, it's like a little bit of a yellow flag of like you.

He's positioning himself for a specific team anyways. So that factors in too. He was going to be somebody that made it known what teams he's okay drafting him. And so I don't think he's necessarily interested in being, navigating his way to a certain spot as much as a certain team. But. He's fascinating.

I know he is, the odds on, favored to be the second quarterback drafted. You know, a lot of mocks put him in the, like pick, what is it, threes at the Giants. But you still see a lot of mocks put him in the pick, what is it, three? Is that the Giants? But you still see a lot of dissenters who are like, no, he's a second round type of pick in their evaluation. So he will be interesting to watch. Does it really happen?

Well, and you start to see, yeah, Giants are at three. You start to see all of the press that comes out now, either against or in favor of a team for positioning purposes. I think a news blurb came out two days ago about how much Shador has impressed teams with his preparation. We're a ways away, but it's gamesmanship time, and that means not risking your spot if you're at the top of the draft. The larger point of, it is kind of a bummer

that for plenty of prospects, we don't get their numbers and you can't plug in their athletic measurements into production profiles, things like that. We'd love more. Yeah, yeah, I mean, unless you're there to break a record. Right. If you're going there to break a 40 record or something or move yourself up.

The Bengals announced their plans to franchise T. Higgins. Well, reporting. The Bengals haven't said anything just yet. But there are reports going out. And it makes all the sense in the world. The Bengals have plenty of cap. They can figure out a way to get all of their guys with the money that they have. We just got another announcement that the

salary cap per team, the NFL announced that, and the number went up far more than teams were expecting. From the 250s to the 280s? Is that right? Kyle, are you on the line here? It was a substantial jump and more than was projected. So this is... Look, this is great. This is the way that at least we get T Higgins for one more year. Hopefully they can work out a long-term plan. That would just be... I mean, they're gonna sign Jamar Chase this year. There's Ribery. He's looking for 40 million a year. Yeah.

The tag, I think, would be about 26 million. Goodness gracious! To take two two wide receivers put 66 million. They did report that the tag was done with the purpose of getting a long-term deal done. Right. Whereas last year it was the purpose of giving them one more year. Yeah, it's going to fall in the range of 277.5 million or between that and 281 up from 255 So 53 million over the last two years Well, let's do it. Let's get tea there we have multiple pieces of news coming out of the Rams camp

first that the team was Said to be working out a contract extension for Kyron Williams or rather that that is a team priority. He's 25 years old entering the final year of a rookie deal so Kyron could find himself secure with maybe a different quarterback. The Rams have given Matthew Stafford permission to speak to other teams. It's been reported that this is about money. This is there are other teams that would be willing to pay Matthew Stafford more money than the Rams might be willing to pay him.

And there are peripheral challenges that the Rams have dealt with, with, you know, just Matthew Stafford and his circle and some of the drama that that creates. It's interesting, cause that comes out, hey, Rams have given Stafford permission to go talk to people. And you immediately go, wow, he's going to look for a trade partner. Then you had an update on that that was, no, actually,

the Rams have told Matthew Stafford to go see what other teams would pay him. Like, hey, go do the work for us. They want to test the value of the marketplace because they're in a contract negotiation. And I think they're a little bit far apart when it comes to money. Matthew Stafford thinks he's, you know, and according to his camp, there are people that are willing to pay, you know, $50 million annually for his services. And then I don't think that's where the Rams are at. So in the end I expect he will resign with the Rams but this NFL if you not whenever you rewind the tape two years I've said this before but if you

if you go look at two years ago football you can't remember who all was on a different team like it's just crazy how things change. I just have a weird feeling about this Stafford situation. Of him going to a different team? Of him leaving and the team being prepared to move on from him. This is bizarre to me because like what world does this work? Would you rather have the number three pick

and just take your shot, let's say it's Sanders, if you're the Giants or would you rather have Stafford for? For 50 a year. For 50 a year but you are, you're really setting up Malik neighbors in the offense and you're setting up your head coach and... If I'm the Giants I would much rather have Stafford. That's the question. Yeah. Because that's that's some discussions around the asking price. Stafford is... Stafford just

turned 37. I mean Brian Dable has to win this year. He doesn't want a rookie. Yeah if I'm Dable you you can please give me- The Raiders with Pete Carroll, the Steelers, who are still searching, right? Russell Wilson may not be back there. And the Giants are the three teams that I think are the most pressed to find a solution at quarterback.

He would have a market. The problem is the Rams need a quarterback. Yeah, but here's for fantasy. He's 37. For fantasy, I think this would be great. Because Matthew Stafford's a good quarterback. And he still has some time. I mean, I don't know if I really,

I wouldn't really want my franchise investing heavily into Stafford because the clock is running out. But he still has a couple years. And then, I mean, how does, there was already rumors of Darnold going to the Rams anyways. And if Sam Darnold goes to the Rams, I'm happy. I think that McVeigh can work with Darnold's skillset and we can still get tons of fantasy output from the Rams. And if Stafford goes to the Giants, we're going to get way more out of the Giants. So, Giants so fancy football players this is a win. You want the musical chairs. I do but I'm not a Rams fan. Well and the Rams are you know they're getting younger and it

might be time we'll see. Chris Godwin agreed to push back a contract void date some some players have done this recently there are a lot of reports that the Buccaneers and Godwin will be working towards a new deal Godwin's injury was pretty severe but he had been cooking with Baker Mayfield it was so there's a good chance that the injury actually leads to a pathway for him to go back there sure Dol. Um, Dolphins is going to release Raheem Mostert, Mostert just turned 64 years old last week. So, uh, no, he's, he's going to be 33 and he's a free agent.

Bears are releasing Gerald Everett. Andy Dalton agreed to a two year, $8 million extension to be the backup in Carolina slash starter when needed. And Zach Martin, seven time all pro offensive lineman for the Cowboys. Retiring. So he has the same amount of all pro selections as holding penalties in his career. No way.

That's one of those all time stats. Like the Larry drops. Yeah, exactly. More tackles than drops. Yeah, exactly. Larry has more tackles than drops. Yeah, when you see those superstar players who had a great career, they've usually got one of those crazy stats in their pocket. That's a cool one.

Martin was a beast. It will stink for Dak Prescott, and he's played better and worse with Offensive Line being better and worse, so TBD on that. All right, unless you guys have any other news, we'll take a break and jump into the coaching changes segment. All right. It's time. I noticed on that that the graphic that just came up because it is a new coaching carousel graphic nice job by you know Mr. Ketchum the biggest loser I did notice though he chose

to put Mike and I in some sort of like coaching beanie type of you know hat coaching me I mean it looked like some sort of but Jason was the only one hatless when you got luscious locks like I just thought that was an interesting creative choice why sometimes we do things differently I mean we don't call him the biggest loser for nothing seven Seven new head coaches this year, 15 new offensive coordinators this year. Last year we had eight new coaches, five the year before, nine the year before that. Over the last nine years NFL teams have hired 60 different head coaches

and only 27 had NFL play calling experience including four of the newcomers this year, Ben Johnson, Schottenheimer, Cohen, and Kellen Moore. Kind of wild. You mentioned the non-offensive head coaching hires and how it has not been a good run since 2018. And that is, well, it's a tough list. When you look at the defensive-minded head coaches,

there's a few of them that we kind of say, okay, that's worked out okay. Dan Quinn, year one, seems great. Yeah. Domingo Ryan's year one seemed great. Dan Quinn is such a year one coach. He's like Doug Peterson. Yeah, it makes.

And, you know, he just makes such, like I think Pete Carroll will be great year one coach. He's like Doug Peterson. Yeah, it makes... And, you know, he just makes such... I think Pete Carroll will be great year one for the Raiders. When you listen to Cliff Kingsbury and hear him talk about what he would do differently, he talks about how Quinn came in and really set a culture. And I think D'Amico Ryan's did the same thing. You know, when these defensive coaches come in, they can set a personality and a standard, and that's awesome to help elevate a franchise, but can that work long-term? Will that stick?

We'll see. I mean, obviously an amazing foundation in Washington, so he's got every shot at doing it, but if you go through the list, it's a tough list. Ja Rule, don't forget Ja Rule. I mean. Ron Rivera, Brandon Staley, Robert Salah, Matt Iberfluz, Dennis Allen, Gannon, we'll see.

D'Amico Ryanes. Okay. You already saw, like D'Amico Ryanes is a good head coach, but you're already dealing with the problems of not hiring an offensive head coach, because you had Shane, not Shane Stikin, um, uh, uh, slow slow slow. And then now you're making another change already. Uh, Gerard Mayo lasted one year and Tony O'Peer said year basically, and a little extra. And the jury's out on whether, you know, last year's higher, Raheem Morris in Atlanta. Is that

going to work out TBD, Dave Canales,ales, you know, probably did the best he could do in Carolina. Hard Dog for the Chargers, okay, that worked out pretty well. Pierce, Mayo, they're gone already. Mike McDonald in Seattle. He's funny to me. He's a TBD to me. He is, he feels so TBD.

First season, 10 wins. With Geno Smith, he did a good job. But it feels, I don't know, because they didn't make the playoffs or something, it just feels like he's... They fired their OC. Yeah, they fired their OC, and they were not happy with the results, but I feel like 10 wins, pretty good first season. Brian Callahan took about 10 years off his life coaching Will Levis and the Titans this year and then the commanders with Dan Quinn.

Oh man, Will Levis. That was a good time. Let's talk about teams with new head coaches and new offensive coordinators starting with the headline hire, Chicago Bears hiring Ben Johnson to replace Matt Eberfluss and he will be the primary play caller Declan Doyle will be in name the offensive coordinator but Ben Johnson will be rebuilding as he said in his press conference rebuilding the offense from the top to the bottom I mean just new play calls new system new everything from the bottom to the top both directions starting at the top? He's, yeah.

Usually he's building it down. He's building it downward. How do you do that? I don't know. It's not the same as with buildings. Okay, well that's good. Buildings are way different. Gravity would really have a problem with building top down.

No. One funny thing that I found this year, I don't know if you guys have seen this trend in preparation for the show, but it is a good year to have been a tight end coach. If you have experience as a tight ends coach, is great for you. Both these guys, Ben Johnson was a tight ends coach

for Dan Campbell who was a tight ends coach originally and a tight end originally, and then Deacon Doyle was a tight end. This is a tight end originally and then Deacon Doyle was a tight end, this is really- Declan. Declan, sorry. He might be a Deacon but his name is Declan. This is a really funny hire.

He's very young, he's 29 years old, does not have a ton of experience, but he's also not needed in a way that most offensive court, like if you listen to him talk about this job, he basically is saying, I'm just here. Oh, it's literally like I'm going to get Ben Johnson his coffee. I'm going to get, do everything I can to just support him and get him all the things he wants. And like, I'm going to put some, some of these little plans together for him, but it really sounded like I'm just here to be his. He's there to help the vision that Ben Johnson has. So we know the story with Chicago 28th in points per game, 32nd in

yards per game, despite throwing the ball the eighth most in the NFL Caleb Williams. He had his problems that were definitely his problems. He had the highest pressure to sack ratio, which meant, okay, you're getting a lot of pressure, but you're also holding onto the ball too long. He was 44th out of 47 in qualifying quarterbacks in catchable target rate. When we talked about Roma Dunze the other day

and the fact that I really, I believe in Roma Dunze. I think he is a great player. His uncatchable pass rate is outrageous. There's a lot that needs to get fixed. You never know with a rookie whether that is a bit of a, you know, snowball effect. When you start in the NFL, you take a lot of hits, you know the pressure's gonna come,

your timing gets sped up in the pocket. So you're trying to put the Bears and Caleb Williams in a position where they can succeed and this is the best shot you have. This, if, look Bears fans I'm sure are elated. They're very excited. And I would be too. But I think there's gotta be at least a tiny portion of you

that you're like, dude if Caleb Williams has a rough year, and you got the coach, you got the offensive system, and that's a lot of pressure. Caleb Williams has to improve drastically or people will be freaking out. Yeah, you kind of, I mean, how do you compare that to what we expected from Canales and Bryce Young making an improvement last year? I know, like, it's weird because we've been so negative about Bryce Young or started out so negative.

Yeah. But it's not a false comparison, right? I mean, the Bears were a five-win team. Caleb had his struggles, Bryce Young, people basically threw him away as a five-win team. Caleb had his struggles. Bryce Young, people basically threw him away as a first-round bust, but Dave Canales was the hotness coming out of Tampa. It does seem, maybe a little bit.

There's certainly comparisons. It's, Caleb showed us more than Bryce Young did as a rookie, so I think that he has at least that going. Yeah, the skills that Caleb has, if you match it with an offensive mind to set you up for success because the big problem with Caleb, I mean you just brought it up Andy, his time to throw in the pocket is holding onto the ball. He's not knowing where to go, whether it's the speed of the game or whether it's just I can wait and do better.

I think the system is going to force Caleb Williams to get the ball out a little bit better and have more clear options. But then you match that with the tools that Caleb has. I think this is gonna succeed. I will be, this is one area that we hadn't talked about before. I don't know if you have opinions on it.

I do think it's a little bit ironic that Ben Johnson and the, you know, inherits a free agent signing at running back that was the former running back jettison from the the Lions you know when you're a head coach coming in do players fit your personnel group obviously he's got Caleb and got to work on that got Rome but whether he falls in love with what Deandre Swift brings to the table, whether they, I mean, are they a team that could surprise in the draft with a running back that fits Ben Johnson's vision for the offense, not necessarily free agency's Deandre Swift last year?

I think they would probably, they would surprise me if they didn't take a running back. It doesn't have to be splashy, but just the depth of this year's running back class, you could get a guy early day three. By the way, over the last decade, there have been 35 quarterbacks that were drafted in the first round.

And 16 of those had a new head coach in year two. 19 had a new play caller in year two, 19 had a new play caller in year two. Wow. So that is 54% had a new play caller their second year. When you are drafting at the number one spot and you've got 11 guys on both sides of the ball. So much for the quarterback saves my job. Sure, sure, yeah, no, that's a good point.

Now, real quick, gut feeling, right out of the gate, does Caleb Williams make the leap in year two? Yes or no? Yes. The leap to what? I think he will improve. To the point where you would look back and say he made a leap this year.

Well, like, I'm saying, does he leap to be a top five fantasy quarterback? Is that the question? At the end of the year, are you like, does he leap to be a top five fantasy quarterback? Is that the question? At the end of the year, are you fully convinced that this is a franchise quarterback? I think that's the leap he needs to make this year. I would say yes. Yeah, the fears that you just brought up with the fan base,

will they be able to sleep after the season? I believe so. Okay. Dallas, new head coach, new offensive coordinator, Brian Schottenheimer Kind of I mean their offensive coordinator shifted up to the head coach So they do have a new head coach and a new offensive coordinator But last year's offensive coordinator still in charge Clayton Adams Cardinals offensive line coach and over

tight end coach before that over? Tight end coach before that. Oh, man. You see it? Just you wait. This is maybe what the NFL is looking at, the tight end position. I think it's, well, the tight end position is interesting because it's, I think the tight end position is about, you know, this is ironic that this is an offensive line coach, tight

end coach. You look at what the Lions superpower was, their offensive line play and how they block and their scheme for keeping that together, some of it's personnel, but some of that scheme. And so one of the good things from the Cardinals this last year was the offensive line play and their scheme of pulling tackles and guards

and having this kind of new modern offense with a lot more athleticism in that line play and so I think the tight end coach makes a lot of sense because you're you're looking at both the passing and the the line at that point. Well Dallas will give Brian Schottenheimer his first opportunity to lead a franchise. He's been at the offensive coordinator or passing game coordinator position since oh six jets Ram Seahawks Jags Cowboys Mike McCarthy they couldn't come to an agreement to bring him back McCarthy whether it's willingly or unwillingly we'll be taking a year off he said willingly 21 points per game I

believe his choice I mean he really said, I'm going to take a break. I think that's the move, though, don't you? When he finally got released and allowed to talk to people and there were a few jobs left, that was the move. Well, even some of these longstanding coaches, I feel like that's the best plays. Just take the year. Oh, yeah. You come back in such high demand.

I mean, Pete Carroll just got a job. He's over 200 years old. I take a year off. I go find a broadcasting job. Right. Like in a studio. You Sean Payton it. Yeah.

That's what you do. Like you disappear. Well, not disappear, but you switch jobs. The NFL audience as a whole kind of forgets like, oh, this is why I didn't like that person. And then they come back and you're like, oh, I like them again, because they're a TV personality. And it's worked for him before Mike McCarthy did this.

We had a lot of success with the Dallas offense two years ago. CD Lamb is the number one fantasy wide receiver. Dak Prescott looked amazing, won championships down the stretch. Last year we saw some of the issues with the offense that certainly were not like fixated on a coaching's, like a coaching mistake, right?

You didn't have. Well, some say that. I mean, I would say that. I mean, it wasn't. I'm talking about Rico. I'm talking about insisting on playing Zeke for half the year. I think regardless of Rico's performance'm talking about insisting on playing Zeke for half the year was bad. I think regardless of Rico's performance

and how good he would have done, he was always gonna represent a step down from Tony Pollard and Zeke combination. Yeah, that's fine. And then on the other side of the football from CD Lamb, you never had an option that was viable. I mean, Brandon Cooks was either injured or unproductive. Jalen Tolbert, you know, not a,

there's not other threats out there and those holes are still there. It doesn't matter that Schottenheimer's taken over. There's still problems in the running back room. You know, there's talk of trade ups for Ashton Gentry, for Dallas, you know, which may be required if you want to put him on the roster. I think that-

Is there a 12? I thought that 12 I thought that yeah verify that real quick Dallas is sitting see Dallas is sitting at trial Dallas is sitting at 12 okay thank you I didn't need you cock away but I mean this the Saints could be in play man yeah and there could be other trade-up teams. It feels like the most obvious Dallas Cowboy pick if they stay at 12 and Gentie's there for them to do that. I mean, they've got some offensive line. Speaking of, Jay, you're talking about the offensive line

and all that stuff. It's funny how we forget. We all know that your offensive line, your defensive line, aside from your quarterback, like if you have a great offensive line, guess whose offense looks really good? With... That's how good Jared Goff is.

Like guys who you would say are just, they're fine players in the NFL. Give them a great line, great things happen. So bringing Clayton Adams in to me was one of those, it felt like a head scratcher. But when you really dive in and look at the success that the Cardinals had at the offensive line and in running the ball with James Connor for an offensive line that you did not expect

that level of success, I think it was a savvy move. What are the, like if they need offensive line, if they need to build maybe in a less flashy way than Ashton Gentry, what are the odds that this is more of a wasted season for Dallas and that they decide to make a splash next year? They build in a boring way. I think he's splashing the second round. Yeah, I agree. The running back draft class is so deep this year.

I think that could hurt Gentie, just from a standpoint of even people who have him as their number one running back on the board, they might say, hey, I can get a really good prospect next round, there's one offensive tackle left, let's pull the trigger there. You know, I think Schottenheimer taking over the continuity from what we've seen him here in Dallas.

Two years ago they were the number one scoring offense in the league. In fact, previous to this season, including in Seattle, he's got four straight years, this would have been his fifth, of being a top 10 scoring offense. We've had a lot of fun crapping on Schottenheimer over the years, but he has had enough success. I know there's some metrics you could point to

that say they're very negative and some that are positive. The one that is the most relevant for next season was the previous time we saw him as the offensive coordinator for this team with Dak Prescott. So I'm not too concerned about a real letdown season, assuming Dak is healthy. I think the Cowboys offense bounces back to being at least top half.

Yeah, I mean, I think for fantasy managers, that would be exciting. I don't think they can do it without fundamentally adding talent to the offensive side of the football. Yeah, they really feel like- I don't think so. Go Yeah, they really feel like. Go ahead. It really feels like CD Lamb can't lift that much.

Like there's just too, it's too heavy on his shoulders. Get the man some help. You need the running back position solidified and you need to find another weapon in the passing game. I don't think, you know, if the offensive line is weakening that CD Lamb's gonna be able to do enough. This was a, I know Rico was the savior in your mind, but running the football last year was as bad

as the numbers can get. 27th and yards per game, 27th and EPA per play. That's so important, whether that's first round or not with Gentie, we'll see. But let's move on Jacksonville. That guy still hasn't been fired. Liam Cohen he's going back to Tampa no he's not this 39 year old is flying the coop and arrives in Jacksonville. He better succeed. Doesn't he have one and done fears written all over him?

And I'm saying he better succeed because the move he pulled on the Bucks, I feel like that gets you in trouble. They have a- With the, if it didn't work out and he loses his head coaching job and all the other teams are like, dude, you're a snake.

We know what you did. You wanna hire him back as your OC? No way. No. I think most teams are legitimately forgiving of head coaching opportunities, no matter how you do it. Because you don't get many of them. Now they did hire Joey Gladstone from Full House to be their general manager.

I don't know if you saw that. What? Yeah. No. Pretty sure that's who general manager. I don't know if you saw that. What? Yeah. No. Pretty sure that's who they got. Let me go look. I think it's Joey Gladstone. They have a whole new head coach, OC, general manager

universe going on in Jacksonville. Talking about James? James Gladstone. Yeah. That's close enough. Joey Gladstone is managing the Jags. Cut it out. Yes. Thank you. I'm so trying to get there regarding Liam Cohen, I know he's got funny sound bites the whole And he's just so cringy with his smile on his face, right?

He does have success. He you know, if you go back the last several years He was the coach. We talked about on this episode when he was taking over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, he had gone back and forth with the Rams and Kentucky. This dude is not afraid of moving. No, he is not afraid of, like, what's my next paycheck that I can take a little upgrade and go somewhere else? Kyle confirmed 11,216 miles of moving for Liam Cohen over the last decade.

Yeah, he's not afraid of it. But he has come out and said when they say, what is your offense going to be? And I know he's got some dumb sound bites. But he said he's going to build his offense around Trevor Lawrence. So I mean, whoa. He's going to take his quarterback. I hadn't thought of that.

Did they stop the presses on that one? Well, no, but they reported it like it was breaking news. I mean, when I was researching this, it was like all the Jaguar newspapers, like, he's going to build around Trevor. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Of course he's going to build around Trevor. If you had told me Brian Thomas Jr., I would have been like, all right.

Yeah, there you go. So anyways, that's good. He's going to build around the quarterback for the the offense the guy that signed the five-year 275 million dollars. That's that's the one thank goodness. It's funny because I you know We always need a head coaching villain. He's it man He's he slid right in and it will be so good for fantasy He's great if he does what he did with Baker last year and what he's done with Matthew Stafford in the past I mean, he's got a good pedigree and it would be great if he does what he did with Baker last year and what he's done with Matthew Stafford in the past. I mean, he's got a good pedigree and it would be great if he succeeds, but I'm rooting against it. There are certain franchises that always slip on the banana

peel. Yeah. And Jacksonville feels like that. Now, do we have fantasy football darlings on this team? Sure. Brian Thomas, let's go. Let's have success. Um, I would love to see Liam Cohen work some magic and get you the football and Trevor Lawrence be relevant in a somewhat consistent, predictable fashion or a running back like Travis Etienne re-emerging as the talent that he probably actually is as opposed to what we saw last year.

These are all the things that we're waiting to see. This was the 26th best offense in points per game, 25th in yards per game. They couldn't run the football, 25th in yards per game. You've got major needs, tackle interior offensive linemen. If you want to build around Trevor Lawrence and $275 million worth of Trevor Lawrence, perhaps you should protect him so he's not either playing hurt or hurt. That would be a goal that you'd need to accomplish. So we'll see what they can do in the draft. Just 39 years old and Baker gets another offensive coordinator to deal with. Do

you guys have any other thoughts on the Jacksonville coaching changes? Yeah, Grant, Yudinsky. Yudinsky and when Liam Cohen gets done it'll be any other thoughts on the Jacksonville coaching changes? Yudinsky. Yudinsky and when Liam Cohen gets done it'll be Yudinsky. You know what I mean? Like, we swish! Thank you. Man, you really wanted to get that one out. Hey, it's just a layup. It was set up right there for me. When did you plan that? I didn't plan that joke. That just came. I don't think that Doug Peterson has a nice start at a change of location and then fades off. But I'm not sure how much more Liam Cohen can get out of Trevor Lawrence than Doug Peterson did.

Al, is that true? Did he set himself up for that joke? Yeah, he said it was set up right there for me, but he's the one that put the ball on the tee. Oh, and he said, what do you think about the- Oh, I just said his name. Yeah. Oh, that was the ball on the tee. Yeah, that was how the ball was put on the tee. Just saying the name.

And then it was like, grand slam and tee ball? That's easy. OK, the Raiders hired Pete Carroll, who is turning 74 in September and Chip Kelly who is 61 years old both of these names were more exciting to say ten years ago 15 years ago he was old ten years ago I know well that ten years ago Pete Carroll was more exciting at the age that Chip Kelly currently is yeah so you that's fair. So, you know, we've been around the block with Chip Kelly a little bit, right?

Philadelphia for a couple of years, 49ers for a brief moment in time, and then UCLA's had Chip Kelly for a few years. I feel like, and correct me if I'm wrong, Raiders, terrible offense last year, terrible rushing offense, dead last in the league. I feel like either one or both of you are excited about this.

I am. That would be one of us then, because I was very excited. I said, I kind of fought you guys a little bit when Pete Carroll was hired. I said, I don't think it's a bad head coaching hire because he is a good head coach. I don't think it's about hire for the Raiders. Right, for the Raiders, for the NFL.

And then Chip Kelly coming in, I was very excited about. I mean, Chip Kelly is always. Yeah, I'm for it. In all of his years, the pace of play, pretty much every year is like number one in total plays, or number one or number two, his pace of play has been outrageously good. He has said he won't do the hurry up as much.

Not only has he said, so this is the coach where from a fantasy football standpoint I Have soured on I am not as excited Looking at what he has done what he has said. I mean he is swearing up and down. He's a changed man Essentially, but the thing is is if you look at what he did last year back to my old ways in Oregon He ran eighty one point4 plays per game. That was ninth in the country for UCLA. 72.1, that was 17th in the country. This last year, winning a-

He's slowing down. Winning a national championship. He's getting old and boring. They were not no huddle. They were huddle up. He ran 61.8 plays per game. That's 120th in the country. To great success. Now he is working under Pete Carroll, a guy who is not probably... I was surprised by this

hire because it's like, is Pete Carroll really going to want to run no huddle and try to get out there and run 70 plays in a game? He won't be able to keep up. They're trying to get to one play a game. Right. So I guess this is from a fantasy standpoint and Mike you can share the rosy side. I worry that what Chip Kelly is saying is true. And it's okay if it's true. They did win the national title. The excitement for Chip Kelly, look it's still the Raiders. The excitement is just, I think this team will really improve.

I think, I agree, Pete Carroll's a really good coach. They're gonna make this team better. They're just, sometimes you have barren wastelands, like the Patriots last year, and probably the Patriots this year. When there's just no one on the team, that sucks. Other than their starting quarterback, running backs, and wide receiver though, where are the holes on the offense?

Right. The line. Okay. Yeah, just the offensive line. There's a lot of holes. It's everywhere. For the defenders to come through. But with Pete Carroll as like the general and then bringing in the Kelly offense, I think we could have some good stuff. I mean, Jacoby Myers will be massively undervalued yet again.

This is an offense that's either gonna have a rookie behind center, or it's gonna have Darnold, Stafford, Cousins, Rogers. I think it'll be one of those. Listening to- Jacoby Brissette, somebody in that tier. Listening to-

Russell Wilson. Tripp Kelly get interviewed about what's your philosophy for the offense. A lot of it is what depends on who's at quarterback, and they're going to take a look at everything at their disposal. He said he's going to look at who's available on the free agency market, who's

available on the draft, and who's available on the roster. But it was in that order. It was like, oh, OK. It just doesn't set. Oh, yeah, the roster. We could know, we could look at those guys too. These are two new coaches that are, they're inheriting those guys, those guys are under contract,

so they've got a leg up to be the starter, but they are not their guys, and they know that quarterback is a problem. So I feel like coming into this franchise, you are taking a heavy look at every current starting NFL quarterback Can you trade for them who's available on the free agent market and then the draft because they've got a pretty high draft picks Overall, yeah since 2012 out of all the head coaches hired 60 plus only two of what looks like about 12

Have finished with winning seasons in year one about 500 have finished with winning seasons in year one, about 500, ironically Bruce Arians was two of them, because he was hired at 61 and then 67. Jim Harbaugh last year, Harbaugh and Arians, the only two to be above 500 as a rookie head coach above that age. As Frank Wright got the shot, what a one in 10 start to the year.

Have you heard, you were talking about Shadour Sanders trying to like, manufacture where he's going to play manufacture where he's going to play or where he's willing to play. Yeah, I would say his camp, his team, his father. Yeah, daddy. I would say, have you heard anything? Like the Raiders.

I think he'd love to go there. If he would love to go there, that makes sense because I think you can get past the Giants. Then New England has, they've got their quarterback. Jacksonville has their quarterback and then it past the Giants. Then New England has, they've got their quarterback. Jacksonville has their quarterback, and then it's the Raiders. So. This is you saying, though, that the Titans and Browns

are not going quarterback quarterback. Not going Chador, yeah. Well, yeah, they think the Titans are taking Cam. Right, but then you've got. Cleveland. Cleveland passing on him, or. Well, I'm just saying, you think. Or him passing on team.

Him passing on Cleveland. Right, if they are going to dictate, they're not gonna be like. Cleveland passing on him or well, I'm just passing on Cleveland If they are going to dictate that they're not gonna be like too big the Brown select quarterback Shador's saying he's like no No, no, no, he'll say that behind closed doors I if the Giants traded for Stafford then that would put I guarantee the Rams would go somewhere other than quarterback there If they were gonna bring in Darnold and then like you said, the Patriots and Jags, you know, maybe Chideur did, could fall to six. So it's a good point. We'll take a break and jump into some more names.

Bit of a retread tour we're going on. Carol and Kelly, Carol and Kelly, and now the New England Patriots bring in Mike Vrabel and Josh McDaniels Josh McDaniels they They should just like his place. They should just put some plastic over his furniture and A couple years I'll be back. You know, so be the third time right? Third time back as the offensive coordinator. Look, I love Mike Vrabel I think he's a he's a great leader of men and a head coach, but you talked about the kind of bare cabinet situation that you had in New England. I

personally love Drake May. I think Drake May is gonna be a very solid NFL quarterback. He's a great runner. I think you give him some pieces and you build the team the right way and you find him a consistent running game and an offensive line. Got a lot of building. Yeah, so I agree completely.

I mean, we've talked about my love for Vrebel, even though he's a defensive head coach. He is a special, I think unique head coach. His in-game management is usually outstanding. His motivation is great. It seems like a Dan Campbell type of, you know, relationally. Not play style or team style by any means. Very, very different. But just relationally inside the locker room, commands respect. And I think this is a great hire for the NFL and for the Patriots. For fantasy football, this does not strike me as exciting. It doesn't make me more hopeful for Drake May. And I agree with you. I think Drake May is a good quarterback, but he doesn't have

the weapons. And you saw Brady with McDaniels have always successful years, but they weren't always fantasy gold. When you had Randy Moss, okay, you're out there throwing a ton of touchdowns, but they have bear cabinets, like you said, Andy. I feel like they need to spin this draft doing the most boring things possible. Offensive line.

They need to build an offensive line. They used 13 different starters last year. That was the second most of any team in the last 26 years. I mean, 30 second in pressure rate. I mean, you're lucky that Drake may can move a little bit because he, his career could have been, you know, you've seen rookies take enough sacks to where they're not the same and their first five picks should be the line. Just yeah it's the perfect year to do it. It's the perfect year to do it. People are not gonna have really high expectations for you next year. So get the...

Get the fan... The stuff that fans don't want to see, get it out of the way. But for fantasy purposes, yeah. You don't want to see a free agent like T. Higgins, or who's now franchised. But you don't want to see prolific players go to New England right now. No, me. So, yeah, they're a couple years away.

The Saints welcome Kellen Moore, just 36 years old. We call that less than half a carol. Hmm, that is a fact. What? That's right, right? So these guys go to, there to the big head coaching meeting. Yeah. And Pete Carroll's going to be like, who's this kid?

Kellen Moore. He's like, I work here. I'm Kellen Moore. Super Bowl champion Kellen Moore. That's the opposite Adam Thielen voice. I like it a lot. Even though he is older than Adam Thielen. Older than Adam Thielen. This is job age.

His perspective, yes. So, Kelimora Rye, hey guys. Are you excited about this hire? I personally, yeah, I'm cautiously. Cautiously hire? Cautiously optimistic. He's bringing his OC with him that was basically his quarterbacks coach.

So he's been the offensive coordinator the last two years for the Chargers and the Eagles. Talking about your guy. Talking about Kellen Moore. I mean, you think he's my guy cuz we share the last name? Sure, that's what I was going for. But yeah, his quarterbacks coach from both of those destinations. So this is the third year in a row these two men have moved to upgrade their opportunity

and try to run an offense. I think they've been pretty successful. The amount of time, you have avoided saying his offensive coordinator's name. Yeah, Doug. Yeah, Doug who? Dougie Inn, you know what I mean? You have been like dancing around this name.

It's Nussmeyer, Doug Nussmeyer. Not Nussmeyer? I believe it's Doug Nussmeyer. Oh yes, they were together in Dallas, LA, Philadelphia. They brought in Staley, right? Yes, defensive coordinator Brandon Staley, no longer mean mugging on the sideline in Los Angeles. Just incredible of Kelim.

That poor soul, dude. Kelimor is the boss now. I know, they're flipped. They flip spots. Look, talk about fantasy though, because this is a team that needs help at wide receiver, profoundly, I think, with Olave's injury history. You need help on the offensive line.

I think you have your running back situation. You can't spend anymore. Right. You really- You could draft somebody, but- You could draft somebody, but Kelly Moore can get the most out of Alvin Kamara, I think. And Kelly Moore has been, his offenses

have really highlighted the slot wide receiver. You saw that a couple of years ago with Dallas. C.D. Lamb led the NFL in slot receiving yards. Then he that a couple years ago with Dallas. CD Lamb led the NFL in slot receiving yards. Then he goes to the Chargers. Keenan Allen had the most slot receptions per game in the NFL. Then he goes to the Eagles. Devontae Smith moved more into the slot. More than usual. More than he did the previous year. Five receiving touchdowns in the slot. That was the fourth most in the NFL. So like I'm curious, you know, right now Chris Olave is their main quality offensive weapon. And I'm curious if they utilize him more in the slot

and get more out of him so long as they can get him a quarterback that's not throwing murder balls. No, they're gonna have the same quarterback. No, well that's a problem. Carr will do that. Well then until Olave is carded off yeah yeah boss oh man I like that one I like I'm gonna go on today I'm gonna go on record I like that one there wasn't a team there wasn't a team. It was a... You're just swinging out air. What's the offensive coordinator's name again?

Nussmeyer. Okay. Yeah, I feel like, you know, we'll be watching closely what the pieces are gonna be in New Orleans. Five games they won last year. Jason looked like he was well on his way to a head shave. Well, I guess he was regardless.

But five and 12th, it fell apart. It's an offensive head coaching hire I guess he was regardless, but five and 12th, it fell apart. It's an offensive head coaching hire and it's the opposite of what the Jets did because the Jets brought in another defensive first time head coach. It's wild, the Jets. Aaron Glenn, he's got a lot of experience and attitude and locker room bravado.

I can definitely see. But we're back in the same place with the Jets. We got Rex Ryan, we've got Robert Sala, we've got Aaron Glenn, they have their type, which is defensive, gritty, New York Jets football, and okay, here we are. Yeah, I mean, they want to change the locker room, and this is that type that Raheem Morris,

we were just talking about, you're going to come in and set a standard, set a culture. I think he can do that, but I worry for fantasy purposes this is really... So Tanner Ingstrom is the offensive coordinator coming in and this was the passing game coordinator last year with the Detroit Lions. So Aaron Glenn is bringing one of his guys from the Lions over. But it wasn't like he gets Ben Johnson. So this is a very raw offensive opportunity. Like, you know, it's like, I don't know a lot about Tanner Ingstrom. We don't really scout passing game coordinators very often. Obviously the lines were good offense, but they had a lot of people above him

and a lot of talent there. Did you see, we have, you know, with Rogers being let go and the Jets now in desperate need of a quarterback, the trade request for your boy who went away? Oh, for Garrett? Yeah, Garrett Wilson said he's comfortable with the direction

of the team. That report was, at least at the time, like this is directly linked to Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, if you take that bag of poop out of the locker room, you're fine with the locker room. I think he should keep it. And we should trade Garrett Wilson away somewhere where he can be awesome. Because this is not going to be awesome. They don't have a

quarterback unless they draft one at seven. Um, you know, a newer inexperienced officer coordinator for a defensive head coach. Will they be a better team than New England this year without a quarterback? No, I don't think so. I would put the Jets at the bottom of the division. I think they're probably slightly better Man Just because the defensive side maybe with Aaron Glenn will be successful but I mean look at you're like talking about a

Division when we just brought up two teams that just are overhauling their coaching staffs and are not going to be competing this year. Right. So, you know, when we get to talk about Miami, by default Miami ends up two in this division. Despite barely winning games against the plus 500 teams, these two teams, the Jets and New England, and I know things can be surprising and you get new head coaches in there, but, you know, the Dolphins are sitting there with the coaching staff that could be fired at any moment sure yeah next year if they don't do something good this year Buffalo's sitting pretty on top of the division so

we'll probably wrap it up there for today's episode of the show and we'll talk some more offensive coordinators over the next couple of episodes in terms of changes made on that side but those were all the head coaching offensive coordinator combo changeovers and any final thoughts, any parting words on your boy Nussmeyer? On Nussmeyer specifically, I just wanna, I wanna call him Dougie-an. And so that's this.

Not like Nussie? I'm not comfortable with that. The Loch Nuss Monster? Okay, then now we're talking, we're getting closer and warmer. Yeah, I mean this is all stuff you... We can do this stuff for you, Jay. If you don't want to bring out the big guns like you did earlier.

Dude, I mean with the murder balls Derek Carthoes, I love the car-ted off. That's... You did it again? It was a great... It was like a double. I think you could have put Carted Off. I think you put the T in there. You think the T would have been an upgrade?

I think the T would have been an upgrade because then the joke would have been more like... The only hardship I have here is he's not carted off. I don't want to make jokes about a player getting carted off because that's the worst thing in football. No I didn't. That's why I put the D in there because it was it was card Did off card their card is bringing them off the field You got a red card and like yeah got kicked out of the game. I don't know. I just workshopped this stuff All right. All right. Well, I'll talk off air. We'll talk your toilet trophies rubbing off on your jokes. Hmm Thursday we got the 10 things to remember episode.

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