Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - NFL Draft Recap: AFC Winners & Losers, Darn Tootin’ - Fantasy Football Podcast for 4/29
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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore
and Mike Wright.
Welcome in!
Tuesday April 29th, the Fantasy Footballers Podcast.
We did it! We had a draft.
Players were selected eventually to go to their respective teams.
And it's time to reflect. Good times were had by most.
Not at all!
I love my repeat. I said most.
Yeah, it was an interesting three days.
And we are going to begin our winners and losers episodes.
Looking at today, the AFC winners and losers
from the draft will walk through the teams,
their relevant fantasy football selections,
and the implications
of those selections and then we'll take care of the NFC on Thursday but a lot
happened I mean I don't know if you can summarize your you know overall thoughts
overarching thoughts of the draft in a couple words but like you know was it
did it live up to the billing was it a a let down? I mean, what was your?
I think, I think it did mostly live up. I mean, if you take out the Shador Sanders fall,
which was the only thing across all of media and you just look at everything else that
happened, you had a lot of running backs get great draft capital. Um, you know, you had
enough wide receivers go on the first round, ends high draft capital like the the skill position players
Really did I mean this is an impactful so we've been spending this time since the draft is over just
Scouring deeply through our dynasty rankings player by player making sure that they are
Perfected and
I'm really impressed by because this wasn't to me going into the draft like
the deepest draft class, especially wide receiver, but I'm impressed by how many
of these rookies appear to now knowing their destination and their draft
capital. This is an important year. Like they are higher than I thought they
would be in startup rankings. Just a lot of opportunity in front of them?
Yeah, yeah, a lot of opportunity and good draft capital.
Both of those things matter.
Yeah, and so our full dynasty pass post-draft update,
when you're listening to this,
it's either I think it'll all be-
Should be out by the time they're listening.
Should all be available.
I'm looking at Mike to try to see if he's signaling me and saying,
don't say that, but I think everything will be ready to go
The rankings have been up the the rookie rankings were up Sunday
We're all finalizing start up dynasty rankings today, and then we got you know risers fallers things like trade targets
Yeah, so you can find all of that ultimate draft kid calm will be giving away that listener league spot
On the show on Thursday will announce the winners of that and the Baker Mayfield
signed Jersey and the signed... The Jamar Mini Helmet. Yes, Jamar Chase Mini Helmet.
We had our, you know, for those of you that know our League of Record and League
of Record format, we had our yearly keeper lottery and so for those that have
followed the show or follow similar rules as our league,
once a year we have the opportunity because our league is a keeper league.
You have one franchise player that you keep and then three players you put into a lottery and then once a year we gather together and
one of those three names goes back into the draft at random.
So in our league the rule is you can keep a player at one position as your franchise but the three players in your keeper lottery they cannot match
that position. So for me personally I Jamar Chase as my franchise player.
Jamir Gibbs, Joe Mixon and Lamar Jackson as my keeper lottery. You risked Gibbs. I
risked Gibbs and I was very lucky. I was fortunate I lost Lamar back into the draft.
I was very lucky as well.
I risked Breece Hall and lost him.
So fantastic.
Get off my team.
Oh man.
But how about Owl?
Man.
Owl, how'd that?
Defending champion, Al Borland over there.
What was your keeper franchise situation?
I can't remember. It went just like every other year
My franchise was Justin Jefferson in the lottery went Kyron Bijon and Trey McBride
You risked Bijon. I did but you know 33% chance of losing him and I lost Bijon
Every single year the one player I say,
as long as I don't lose this guy, I'll be good.
That's the problem.
You should start franchising the guy you don't want to lose.
Thank you, thank you.
And so, yeah.
And Mike, I don't think your situation, you didn't care
that much, it was Harrison, Garrett Wilson, and T Higgins.
T Higgins were your three in your lottery,
and you lost Higgins. Lost T. were your three in your lottery and you lost T
I mean that might be just good fortune for you
It could be or it means it means T Higgins I go off this year. No, no, it means I have another chance to draft it
Yeah, you can't draft them if you don't lose them. That's smart. But but that's always fun
We do that right after the NFL draft. So those of you in a league like that
Hopefully had your keeper lotteries as well and had a good time this weekend But that's always fun. We do that right after the NFL draft. So those of you in a league like that,
hopefully had your keeper lotteries as well
and had a good time this weekend.
Yeah, lots going on.
So I wanna jump right into the winners and losers.
We'll cover more kind of other news
that took place in the NFL on Thursday.
But you can follow the show.
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without further ado
Hey rookie, welcome to the NFL. All right we're going to start in the AFC South and just kind of walk through the relevant
offensive draft picks for these teams.
The Titans are 3 and 14 last year.
They spent three fourth round picks on two wide outs and a tight end.
Pass catchers.
Chimray DK drafted with pick 103,
Gunner Helm at pick 120,
and then Ellick, I am a Knorr.
Nailed it.
Yeah, I am anter.
There we go, we're going with that one.
It's one of them.
That's our best guess, I am anter.
But when you look at the film on these guys, this was a team that I think in my predictions
I thought that Luther Burden would go here because I figured they were going to invest at you know
Put some more weapons on this roster for
Cam Ward who was the number one overall pick? I mean, I'm not intending to skip cam ward here, but
When you look at what cam ward has been given in the fourth round here, what he's going to, you know, Calvin Ridley returning next year. The
opportunity here for a pass catcher is it's a great landing spot. They also
signed Xavier, how do you say his name, Restrepo? Restrepo? Who was Cam Ward's
wide receiver in college, but this was a place where it was like the slowest 40
Yes, it was like it was like seven point. Yes, 300 is what they said
But you had Calvin Ridley and then Jack Squaw also breaking news. I know we skipped the news section today, but it does not
Look like the Titans are going to pick up trailing Berks
look like the Titans are going to pick up Traylen Burks. His fifth round.
Actually, you know what we shouldn't have skipped
is they did sign Tyler Lockett.
So if you look at a rookie wide receiver
emerging in year one, Lockett seems like he's gonna be there
as a veteran presence for a one year term.
Another person for Kam Ward to throw the ball to
with Calvin Ridley and company.
Yeah, I don't see him.
And they still have Chigga Conquo.
I don't see Tyler Lockett really getting in the way
of a rookie's opportunity, but definitely helpful
for Cam Ward.
I personally, I was telling, you know,
two fourth round picks, DK went first.
I like Io Manor from Stanford, he's big bodied.
There's some highlights of him, you know,
going up, you know, contested catch, he dealt with drops.
There's a great video of him going head to head with Travis Hunter, who was number two
overall pick in the draft.
I like him as a fit for this offense, a little bit more than DK, but DK is a speedster, ran
a 4-3-4.
Yeah, it's not headline wide receiver names.
They didn't take one of the higher draft capital wide outs, so it's kind of harder to identify
who's going to emerge, and this is one of those teams you might pay attention to camp
a lot.
Yeah, you're not excited about fourth round wide receivers playing for a rookie quarterback,
generically speaking, but when it's the 101 in the NFL draft pick and there is a lot of opportunity here, one of these guys can emerge. Well, I
mean, you know who we all get to get excited about again. Tell me, Calvin Ridley.
Well, yeah, I mean, he is not a loser from the draft. No. You know, he is their
number one wide receiver for sure, and Cam Ward is a much better quarterback.
I mean, I like Cam Ward.
Yeah, I think Cam Ward has a chance
to be an actual franchise player.
If you look at Calvin Ridley's season,
which had moments, but also had, you know,
I mean, he had a wide receiver eight finished,
wide receiver six, wide receiver three,
and then he had, you know, disappearing X, one for nine.
And he finished the season with 1,000 yards.
Yeah, he's gonna be-
So is he over or under that number?
I think he's over.
I agree.
He will be very interesting to see how people respond
to the ADP burns of last year.
And, but he's a major winner this year,
coming out of the draft of being the only guy in an upgraded
quarterback.
If his ADP stays late, it's going to be.
It will definitely stay late.
Then you should be targeting Calvin Ridley.
Let's get over it.
I think I'm going to let you two guys take that on.
Hey.
For this year, though.
I'm not proclaiming league winning Calvin Ridley.
Just saying, this is the flex type player who.
I mean, Jason's already got a doonze. So Mike, you're going to have to go Calvin Ridley, just saying, this is the flex type player who. I mean, Jason's already got a doonze,
so Mike, you're gonna have to go with Ridley.
Yeah.
Jacksonville, four and 13 last year, they traded up.
They made the big splash.
Yeah, they did. They got the day started
in a very excited way. Goodness gracious.
They busted everyone's mock drafts 10 minutes into the draft.
Yeah, we did not get Travis Hunter's destination right.
And when you say we, you mean 100% of everybody
in the world.
Because it seemed like it was a done deal
that he was going number two, and he did go number two,
but what was surprising was that the Jacksonville Jaguars
traded up and traded a lot.
They did.
To get this, hopefully, star wide receiver
and star cornerback.
For fantasy purposes, the most important thing
is that it appears pretty
definitive that he is going to be an impactful snap count offensive player for fantasy football.
That's what I've seen that Cohen said.
He's going to be offensive first and we're going to work him in on the defensive side
of the football. And some of the quick reactions on draft day was, oh no,
what happens to my Brian Thomas Jr.?
He soars on the wings of an eagle, my friend.
So panic for those?
He's fine.
OK, that's the calming words that people want to hear.
He's fine.
Brian Thomas is a true number one.
We're all really hopeful for Travis Hunter.
What's his ceiling to you as a rookie?
Because I think that could be the other, like you could swing the pendulum too far and say,
okay, Brian Thomas is even better
because they've got this other wide receiver
that's a weapon, but maybe ignore the weapon.
Touchdown upside definitely moves up,
but we're about to dive into the stat docs the
Statistical breakdown for every player for the ultimate draft kit. I'm guessing that
Travis Hunter will eight he'll end up like a 800 yard
Type of a receiver. Yeah, that's that's probably the median outcome
I think if you're talking what is Travis hunters ceiling as a rookie
You're probably talking
around wide receiver 15. He's got the ability to have big breakaway touchdowns and you might
hear that and think that that means that Brian Thomas Jr. has a bad season. It absolutely
does not. It's very common, very, very common for NFL teams to have two top 24 wide receivers
in the same season and even two top 12 wide receivers
from the same team.
You're not scared when you have Jamar Chase and T Higgins.
You're not scared when you have two great wide receivers
for another team.
Obviously, they don't have Joe Burrow here.
Yeah, I am scared of Trevor Lawrence
being able to sustain two high level fantasy wide receivers.
They don't have Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram anymore,
they do still have Gabe Davis.
This could just be good for Trevor Lawrence.
Yeah, yeah.
He's a winner from the draft when they invest in that.
What's ironic too is that because they traded
so many assets to go up and get Travis Hunter,
it sort of eliminated them from a high draft capital
running back decision.
Yes.
And so this was a team we thought,
my prediction was Gentie there at number five,
which Travis Etienne and Tank Bigsby,
you could bury them at that point.
They did spend a fourth round pick on Bayshul Tooten.
Oh my god.
Oh yeah, if you don't think on this show
that I'm not giving a fart noise whenever we talk about
Bayshel Tooten.
No, that was not a, you're not dismissing the player.
See, it sounded like you don't like him.
No, great player.
Actually, I think he-
Those are words of encouragement.
Yeah.
He's got-
He's speaking his language.
Great juice.
He's a little guy.
He's a little guy.
He's a fast guy.
He ran a 4-3-2 at the combine.
I don't know if he picks up extra speed from the wind
behind him or not.
Oh my gosh.
But he's a really exciting prospect.
Obviously, he's just like, did you load up on beans, young man?
Yeah.
Come on.
Are those pinto or black beans?
What are we working with here?
But yeah, this is a player who last year in college, 1,100 plus yards, 15 rushing
touchdowns, runs 4-3, a very exciting prospect, but it is fourth round.
It is.
This one's hard, though, because the running back class of this year in particular was
so good that I don't blame teams for waiting until the fourth round to grab a guy.
Generally speaking, all historical data is if you're waiting till the fourth round to grab a guy, like generally speaking,
all historical data is if you're drafted
in the fourth round or later at the running back position,
your odds, your probability of ever emerging
is drastically lower than anyone drafted day one or two,
day two, however, Tutin's a, he's a good player.
Ha ha, Tutin.
And this like.
Are you bootin' Travis Etienne off your team
because of this?
I will be very, I'll be very nervous
to draft Travis Etienne in a redraft.
Well, I think we were nervous if no one got drafted.
Like this made it worse to me.
Yeah, I mean.
He's still a winner to me.
That's how I see it too.
I still look at him as a winner.
This allows Travis Etienne to go into this season.
He'll be the starter.
With, exactly.
He's gonna be the starter. He will start as the. With exactly. He's going to be the starter.
He will start as the starter, yeah.
And he's going to have the chance to establish himself
as a quality player the way he was two years ago, still
a young running back in Travis ETN.
So you got to hope he still has gas,
because you know Tooten does.
Absolutely.
Nice.
Swoosh.
And Tooten is, the two years at Virginia Tech,
he was an excellent pass catching running back.
So that's the issue for ETN.
That's been a progressive issue for him for years now.
Yes, it has.
And did the Jaguars pick up Tooten because they see,
we got a real big problem with this Tooten.
We can't get away from it because it's his actual name.
It's not like we're nicknaming him Tooten.
And if his real name is Tooten.
If he comes in and he takes some of that work away,
you got an issue.
And neither Tank nor ETN, these aren't Liam Cohen's guys.
ETN had 58 receptions in 2023.
He showed he could catch a lot of passes.
He had 39 last year.
That's not the end of the world.
It'll be interesting to see how it breaks down,
but not drafting Gentie or Hampton or one of these guys,
not having a second round pick
that you could use on one of them.
I do think that that was a winner situation.
It'll just be a slower fantasy death.
Yeah, it could be.
Have you guys seen Bashell talking about himself,
talking himself up?
No.
I'm so afraid of what you're gonna say.
Yeah, wait, he's tooting his own horn, baby.
It's sweet.
All right, let's move to the next team, please.
I guess one of the situations you could look at is like,
imagine that they were, it's not funny.
How long were you sitting on that one
waiting for space? About two seconds.
I knew you were sitting on that one.
It was bad, it was bad.
I apologize, Fuchland, I'm sorry.
From me to you, I'm sorry.
But it's not gonna stop.
Was there more excitement around Ramondre Stevenson
or ETN in a dynasty league before the draft?
Ramondre Stevenson.
So it could have been a flip situation, right?
Like if Tootin went to New England
and Henderson went to Jacksonville.
100%.
We would be talking a different story.
Henderson would have ended ETN. We gotta be on a first story. Henderson would have ended ATM.
We gotta be on a first name basis here with PHL.
Is that how you say his name?
That's the problem.
Is it Bay Schuhl?
It's Bay Schuhl.
Bay Schuhl?
Yeah, so you're gonna go right back to Tootin.
Nah, I'm Tootin.
All right, Colts at eight and nine.
First round pick.
Be Tootin?
Tyler Warren.
Was that you saying me too?
No, I said be Tootin.
Oh, okay.
Tyler Warren, who was projected to be the number one
overall tight end selected, ends up the second
tight end selected.
What a loser.
At 14.
He's amazing though.
He's a really, really good player.
In fact, just like a general comment on the tight ends
drafted in and where they went,
I think we're, this is just the thing now.
We've had two consecutive years where the rookie tight end
is the number one overall.
For fantasy. For fantasy.
I'm not saying that's happening this year,
but Loveland and Warren, both in the top 15 picks,
and then other tight ends that I like,
going places that I like, you know,
Mason Taylor with New York, I don't mind that.
I think that that's an interesting landing spot.
Ferguson with the Rams is a good landing spot.
Absolutely.
The guy that I liked a lot, Harold Fanon Jr.,
not such a good landing spot behind David Najoku,
but at least he is a round three pick.
Well, we know, like Najoku,
it takes eight to 10 years to form into a full tight end.
But Warren in year one, the question that we all have
is not whether he is a great player,
it's whether his quarterbacks are good enough
to get him the football.
But we do have a case study here.
We have a John Mackey Award winner last year
with no quarterbacks that broke fantasy.
Yeah.
In Brock Bauer.
So, you know, the potential is there
because tight ends make life really, really easy
on the quarterback no matter how good the quarterback is.
Yeah, a lot of people.
I would say the majority of people have flip-flopped
the dynasty startup rankings between Loveland
and Tyler Warren.
I am still on the Tyler Warren ahead of Loveland side.
I liked the film better, and yes,
I do think Tyler Warren has a slightly worse
quarterback situation.
I mean, we don't know what the future of Caleb Williams is.
Maybe he's great, but maybe he isn't,
and he just continues being mediocre.
I know that he's better than Daniel Jones
and Anthony Richardson.
But regardless, when I look at fantasy football tight ends
that matter, there's not a ton of them,
but when they matter, they are usually number one
or number two on their depth chart in targets.
I mean, you look at the rookie last year,
Brock Bowers, Bachbach Bowers,
he comes through and he has 140 plus targets
because there's not a lot of other targets to go around.
Whereas DJ Moore, Roma Dunes,
they bring in Luther Burden.
That's a tough thing for Loveland
to come in and be fantasy awesome,
even if he is the best tight end.
Yeah, he can come in and catch 41 meaningful
downfield passes, help the Bears a ton,
and not be as good for fans.
You're kind of, I think you're persuading me to,
like they're close, they're like back to back for me.
I think you're right.
Tyler Warren could be the number two target.
He could be the number one target. He could be the number one target.
Yeah, I mean, you've got Josh Downs and Michael Pittman
there, so you're like, OK, it's not nobody,
but certainly you're not afraid of that.
No, I think you're right.
They dropped the DJ Giddens in the fifth round.
6 foot, 212 running back out of Kansas State, 98th percentile
explosiveness score.
He's a fun player.
We've spent quite a bit of time on DJ Giddens
on the Dynasty podcast, the round five,
and clearly behind Johnny Taylor.
But Giddens, they're trying to figure out
who their backup actually is.
And I think there's a strong chance
that it ends up being Giddens as the true insurance
running back for Johnny Taylor.
So he has value in your rookie drafts.
Just don't expect him to be starting for you.
You definitely want to Giddens him as your insurance back.
Dude, what are you doing?
Dude, it's worse when you laugh like that.
It's so bad.
I laughed because it was so bad. I just want to know
how long you were searching. Oh no it was me. In the middle of Mike talking. Oh man.
Gives me a break. We got it with look this is all new fresh names that we get
to play with. This is more of a little boy, Jason's a little boy in a sandbox right now. That's what it feels like.
He's just moving his Tonka trucks.
I'm looking up at the clouds seeing shapes.
It's just workshopping.
Tooting.
Yeah.
Riley Leonard, quarterback out of Notre Dame,
took him in the sixth.
You know, it's worth just mentioning it
because they don't,
what the future will be in Indianapolis.
Sure.
We'll see.
That dude might get a start or two.
But ultimately, whoever is the quarterback
benefits in Indianapolis when you talk about winners
and losers from the draft pick of Tyler Warren.
We'll talk about the Texans and then we'll take a break.
Let's cover the Texans first so we can finish the division.
Jaden Higgins in the second.
This one's wild, man.
Jalen Knoll in the third.
Teammates from Iowa State. Yeah and
you know Mike you were kind of talking about this. Houston drafts a couple of whiteouts with pretty
good draft capital and we're sitting there you know Higgins is a big guy 6-4, 2-14.
This is a team that is telling us with their draft selections what their depth chart
is like in reality.
And Christian Kirk, they took a flyer on him, a veteran, bring him in, not too different
from Stephon Diggs last year, a one-year trial, except for Kirk is not as good as Diggs.
We have a massive recovery that Tankdale has to undergo. That's, I mean, outside of Nikko Collins,
those were the guys that you had.
And they go out and they're saying,
hey, we're gonna reinvest on behalf of CJ Stroud.
So when you talk about opportunity, Jason,
these are a couple of names, I think,
that probably added to what you said at the top.
Yeah, this is, you're gonna have to call your shot
and try to get it right, whether
Higgins or Knoll ends up as the primary rookie wide receiver for this team, but you've got a great
quarterback in CJ Stroud and a real need for these players to step up into the void left by Dell and
Digs. So good draft capital, both day two picks.
You can't be much happier with the landing spot
for either of those guys.
The only complaint is that it would be difficult
to see them both dominating, you know what I mean?
Like.
Was it the Dobbs, Christian Watson combo draft?
Were they in the same draft class together?
I believe so, yes.
Second and fourth round though.
It just kind of reminds me a little bit of like,
I think maybe they did it a couple years in a row
where they had a few names, different rounds,
and it's hard now to call the shot.
I mean, obviously, I mean, what is your shot call
for these wide receivers, I guess I should say?
You know, even though Noel-
Who do you like the most?
Even though Noel went second,
I kind of like him better for the style of play if Dell can't come along.
I mean, Jaden Higgins, you know,
almost kind of reminds me, you know,
a little bit of, you know, he's a clone.
Oh, he's a Niko clone.
Of Niko. Yeah.
You know, a big six, four big 64214 pound deep field stretching.
It's like, where is he going to fit in in the off? I know where Jalen Knowles going
to be. Jalen Knowles come in, I think he can play the slot, you know, move outside, good
route runner. He has direct competition in front of him with Christian Kirk. Like Higgins
will be a start a day one starter. I don't know if Noah will start day one.
Yeah, maybe, I mean, they both have competition
in front of them.
I would rather be competing with Christian Kirk
than competing with...
Yeah, I mean, would tank Dell?
Is that what you're gonna say?
Because I don't think Dell will play.
No, I don't either.
It's good for CJ Stroud that they're finding more weapons
for him.
His production and the offense's ineptitude,
they came with the injuries.
You know, it was struggling all year.
They let go of their offensive coordinator.
We're gonna have a new OC coming in this year,
so you're gonna see a lot of new things on offense.
But I think not enough was made of losing digs,
losing tank dell, and then all of a sudden we're like,
is CJ Stroud still good?
It's like, okay.
Hard, hard situation.
Yeah, and Nico was hurt last year as well.
By the way, yeah, Watson and Dobbs were together
in a draft for Green Bay.
Reid and Wicks were together in a draft,
and then this year.
And they did it this year again.
This year as well, we'll talk about them soon.
All right, we'll take a break,
and then we'll move on to the AFC North.
Oh, by the way, Tank Dall, a fantasy loser because of this situation?
I think so.
Yes.
I would definitely put him as a fantasy loser.
There was also Woody Marks running back in the fourth round who was drafted here.
So getting a little bit of youth behind Joe Mixon.
I don't view it as a negative for redraft for Joe Mixon, but you have to, you know,
he's older.
Oh, and yeah, just like in Jonathan Taylor's situation,
figure out who the depth piece is.
I will say this, there were articles coming out of Houston,
there were rumors about them drafting,
running back higher, thinking about the next man after Mixon.
I think Mixon comes out of this pretty unscathed
in a one-year run, you know,
which is how you're looking at things right now.
I think there's probably a pretty strong chance that Marks moves up to be the number two guy
this is like he he's got to beat out Damien Pierce who yeah it's seems like
the coaching staff I don't know why they let him back in the building that's
that's harsh we'll take a break be right back
Okay, here we go. Can't believe it happened again.
Yeah.
But Cleveland, they had, I think when I was watching the draft, I think they had like
5,000 picks in this draft.
Or it seems like they were always the team I was keeping my eyes on because you always
thought Shadour Sanders might go to Cleveland at every opportunity.
It took a long time.
He finally did.
And I think that's the reason why they're so good. in this draft, or it seems like they were always the team I was keeping my eyes on, because you always thought Shadour Sanders
might go to Cleveland at every opportunity.
It took a long time, he finally did.
But in the second round, they take
Quincheon Judkins out of Ohio State.
I brought this up to you guys this morning.
He's the bigger beefy.
Yeah, he's the thick boy.
Thick boy at Ohio State, and then you had
Trevion Henderson,
the flashier, multi-purpose guy,
and we were talking on the show,
I kinda reminded you of the Nick Chubb at Georgia,
with Sonya Michelle at Georgia,
and those guys went in the same draft class.
Sonya Michelle went to New England,
and Chubb went to Cleveland.
Lo and behold, Trevion Henderson goes to New England,
and Quinshawn Judkins goes ahead of him.
They had their pick of the two guys
and they went with Judkins moving forward after Nick Chubb.
I mean, this is a Nick Chubb replacement.
They have been a team that is used to being able
to hammer the ball with a big bodied back
and a bruising offensive line
and they wanted to do that again.
They get as good. I
was not as high on Quintchon Judkins as I know you Andy and Kyle is a big Judkins believer.
I liked the tape. I thought it was okay. I thought he was a little bit good at everything
but great at nothing. Kind of like a David Montgomery coming out of college. There couldn't
be a much better landing spot for
him, his skill set, a team that wants to run the ball, is used to having a guy like this
on the roster.
I thought it was great and if you didn't watch the draft, you might have missed him being
the first, I believe historically the only player to ever have
missed his call from the team.
The only one we have data from.
The only one we have data from that he missed the call
from the team about to draft him because he's taking a dump.
That's just a fact.
I'm not even making a joke here.
He was in the bathroom, the family had to answer the phone
because when you gotta do your business.
I mean, did he just not think though?
And then he went to the Browns.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
You're really on one today, Jason.
I mean, this one doesn't mean.
Your analysis is analysis.
Oh my goodness.
Judkins, look at the, oh gosh, it keeps going.
I love this. I, it's a, oh gosh, it keeps going. I love this.
I think, you know.
I think it's fabulous, yeah.
Every year rookie running backs
end up hyper-elevant for fantasy.
Not always the names you expect, I realize that,
but how can you not love this situation for Judkins?
Its volume, opportunity, identity, I think, as a team.
Talent, you know, I agree with you, identity, I think, as a team, talent.
You know, I agree with you, but goodness, if he was David Montgomery, if you put David Montgomery on the Browns, he's going to have a great season.
So I'm, I'm very excited.
He's a touchdown guy.
So I don't know.
I think this is one of the home run fantasy destinations, Mike.
I'm in full agreement here.
They did take another running back in round four,
the running back room reshaped in Cleveland.
Dylan Sampson went there, he's 5'8", 200 pounds.
A compliment type of situation.
They took Harold Fanon Jr. in the third round.
Very athletically gifted, tight end out of Bowling Green.
Probably a weight in', you know,
if you're taking them in dynasty rookie drafts,
you're waitin' a while.
Yeah, Harold Fanon, it was a faller and a loser to me.
Even though you get the third round pick,
he was, I believe, the sixth tight end taken off the board.
That's not good.
You end up behind David Najoku.
That's not good.
And you know, his combine testing was pretty disappointing.
His production profile's great.
That's usually less important for tight ends though.
Five offensive draft picks in the first five rounds
for the Browns and none of them wide receivers
to take Cedric Tillman's job.
Yeah.
So if you look at-
Yeah, Tillman and Judy are-
Winners and losers, they believe in Tillman.
That's what it says to me.
Yeah.
To draft two quarterbacks.
Real quick on Nujoku, this is his last year under contract.
Yeah.
Next year is void.
They're all void years after this.
That's good to know.
And he'll be turning 30 next year.
So yeah, you're going to be waiting.
Most tight ends when you take them
on your rookie draft, you're waiting.
So when you're-
And Ford, by the way, last year of his contract,
Jerome Ford. When you're in your rookie draft, you're waiting. So when you're- And Ford, by the way, last year of his contract,
Jerome Ford.
When you're in your rookie drafts,
especially if you're in a super flex,
but no matter what, we're doing some drafts now live
on Sleeper, and it has ADP from pre-NFL draft.
That's how all the ADP shows up for us.
Scroll, scroll, scroll, and don't go by ADP.
We published our rankings out.
If you've got the ultimate draft kit,
use the dynasty rankings there. Do not go by ADP. We published our rankings out. If you've got the ultimate draft kit, use the dynasty rankings there.
Do not go by ADP because they are wildly different.
But what you're gonna see is you're gonna see
Shidur Sanders who has been being drafted in Super Flexes,
you know, as a top five pick.
And you're going, he was a fifth round pick
behind another quarterback for this team,
the faller of fallers.
Like literally in the last eight years,
the biggest consensus faller, what is his outlook?
It's wild to me because that was the story of the draft.
Did you have another qualifier on that question?
No, no, no, not at all, go, take it away.
Please answer it.
Look, if you're gonna be drafted in the fifth round
behind another quarterback in the same draft,
might as well go to the Browns
where they have Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett.
I mean, you do have a chance to emerge from the depth chart
if you are what you say you are, right?
Which we know the words of Jadur Sanders
more than the actions sometimes on the field.
If you are what you say you are, you can win here.
You should be able to win in that quarterback room.
That's the truth, that he is a flyer
that could work out at quarterback.
And there are teams he could have gone to as a backup
that would never happen.
Really difficult though, when he was the second quarterback
drafted for this team.
Would you draft Dylan Gabriel?
In fantasy football?
No.
No, of course you wouldn't.
No, because ceiling.
I still believe the ceiling of Shadour Sanders.
The reason he was talked about as being a first round pick
and at this time last year a top two pick,
is because it was very clear that at his best,
he has a great ceiling.
To me, Dylan Gabriel is an okay to good quarterback
that has a backup ceiling in the NFL.
And that's how you draft, you know,
there are Jalen Milrow, right?
Like his situation is kind of interesting
because, you know, Sam Darnold.
If Sam Darnold's cutting a year
and he's got the rushing game.
He's got real ceiling, you know? and so that's how I look at it. It's like...
It's just tough. A day two pick on a quarterback that wasn't Chidor Sanders.
I'm personally gonna do what the entire NFL did and I'm gonna let someone else
draft Chidor and...
I mean, did he go in our mock draft?
No, not in a three round single quarterback.
Yeah, I mean it...
Oh, in our mock draft? No, not in a three round single quarterback.
Yeah, I mean it, yeah, if you're in a Superflex league
and you wanna throw a dart out there, there you go.
You can, that's your choice.
You do you.
I just, I didn't know if Mike had anything
you wanted to add to Shadoor, but.
I'm in agreement of this is, of any of the spots after what happened,
it seems like one of the very few
where you can actually end up getting some starts.
Now, Jerry Judy, like, is it good
that you have five quarterbacks?
No, no, it's not great.
Isn't that just the shotgun approach,
like may the best man win?
Well, let's just be real about it.
De'Shawn Matson's not playing football for them ever again. Correct. Just delete him.
So four quarterbacks. It's fun to say
they have five quarterbacks, they don't.
They have four.
One of them's Joe Flacco.
He's 600 years old.
Probably current leader.
Yeah.
One of them's Kenny Pickett.
We've been here, we've done this.
Yeah.
One of them's Dylan Gabriel, a rookie, undersized, out of Oregon. And then one of them's Sh Pickett. We've been here, we've done this. Yeah. One of them's Dylan Gabriel, a rookie,
undersized, out of Oregon.
And then one of them's Shadrour Sanders.
Like there is a non-zero chance he's a starter on day one.
Like legitimately.
It could.
It's not impossible.
It is not impossible.
It'll probably be Flacco.
Yeah, it will.
But it's not, of all the places to fall to,
it could be worse.
Yeah, I mean, go beat out Kenny Pickett. Yeah, go beat, if you're the backup to start the season, you've got, and Yeah, I mean, go beat out Kenny Pickett.
Yeah, go beat, if you're the backup to start the season,
you've got, I mean, Joe Flacco goes, he's a statue.
He's gonna get sacked and you're gonna get a snap.
Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh did not take Shadour Sanders.
They had lots of opportunities to do so.
They went Will Howard in the sixth,
they waited another round.
It seems, you know, if you want to say fantasy winner
for a player that's not actually on the roster,
it's Aaron Rodgers, because it seems like Aaron Rodgers,
the odds of him being a Steeler went up after draft day.
The rumors, the reports were that the Steelers
knew Aaron Rodgers' answer 48 hours ahead
of the draft.
They didn't say what it was,
but their actions kind of said,
they're confident with Mason Rudolph.
And they're not a dumb franchise.
So I have to imagine Aaron Rodgers is on his way.
So Caleb Johnson, that is the pick to talk about here.
Third round draft pick out of Iowa.
The running back doesn't have to change any of his like,
if he, if he, if he themed his, yeah,
if he themed his Twitter page or something, he's good.
It is funny too, because when I watched him,
I've brought this comp up several times,
the comp of Le'Veon Bell for Caleb Johnson.
It's not so much the athletic profile or anything.
Caleb Johnson is a sprint away from you down the field
and you're not gonna catch him,
get up to 22 miles per hour,
despite his 40 time, he's a fast player.
But the patience behind the line,
it reminded me a lot of what Lev Bell used to do.
He'd look like he's slow, he's not slow, he's smart.
And- You liked him a lot.
I did. I was a little bit lower on him
than you were, but how do you like the fit?
I mean, Jalen Lauren has to be a player that,
he did not come out of this draft unscathed.
He got the $5 million,
but Caleb Johnson's gonna be a threat to him
in some capacity.
Earlier, I think it was two weeks ago or something,
we had a quick question that was,
what player do you wanna see drafted where?
And my initial thing I wrote down in that draft doc
was I wanted this pick.
I wanted Caleb Johnson to the Steelers.
And then, because Tomlin has always had that one back system
until the last like year or two,
yeah, Jalen Warren's there,
but I think they want the system Tomlin's had for,
you know, darn near 20 years
over the course of a lot of different running backs.
So I love this.
And then I remembered Arthur Smith.
And I was like, ah, you're just going to be all wacky.
So Mike, how about you?
I would give this a B plus.
Yeah, I think the landing spot is great.
I think it goes pretty quick to the split
that Warren and Najji had last year.
It was a bit more Warren because he started last year injured, so
it took him some time to get going.
But I mean, neither will be elite for fantasy, but both will be usable plays.
You project Pittsburgh to be in the play winning football this year?
I don't know how you bet against it.
Cuz that is always a big impact on that running back. He's still at zero losing seasons right?
Correct. But what if he gets Aaron Rodgers? Then you got to project a
losing season. Yeah I mean if it's Aaron Rodgers or Mason Rudolph it is not a
great question. Well we don't have to take a long time with this team but we
can celebrate it a little bit. Cincinnati, Cincinnati didn't blow up any of our plans
for Cincinnati.
They did the right thing.
Chase Brown's their guy.
This is what you want to see for the Bengals offense.
You want to see him not draft a single wide receiver,
and I'm fine with a six round running back up.
This was just just don't
touch what isn't broken and they didn't have the money to send anybody to the
draft after all the money they gave to T Higgins and trying to figure it out for
Hutchinson or not Hutchinson goodness huh and Anderson no the Bengal and
Rickson Hendrickson thank you yeah yeah we did it But yeah, they grabbed a running back in the sixth round,
no big deal, Chase Brown's a big time fantasy winner.
Yes.
And it's exciting.
It is, I'm becoming more addicted to the teams
with stability year to year.
Yeah.
Predicting players, we've done it for,
this is our 11th season.
Very difficult.
Really like it when there's elements that make it easier on us.
We're not changing the coordinator.
We don't have personnel changes all over the place.
Turns out they must believe Zach Moss is enough to be a depth piece after they brought him
back.
I think with Moss and Tosh Brooks, they got in the sixth round, they're fine.
Baltimore.
Baltimore still has Mark Andrews under contract.
Baltimore, for the first time in history,
drafted, or the first time in a long time,
drafted a kicker in the sixth round.
So Justin Tucker's days may be
done but for a team that had apparently 9,000 picks not a lot to talk about on
the offensive side of all. No they said we're okay here we got to fix the defense. Yeah so I
mean they they went safety edge tackle linebacker tackle corner kicker before
they took an offensive piece. Yeah I mean I think Mark Andrews really is the big winner.
Yeah.
He's on the roster and doesn't have to fight with any more.
Is he gonna be on your roster for fantasy?
He will be on my dynasty roster
because I already have him.
In doing the dynasty startup rankings,
because I've been more of the Mark Andrews apologist,
I think on
this show how far down is he he was surprisingly above or below Isaiah
likely I have them back-to-back and currently I have Mark Andrews ahead yeah
I'm gonna I'm gonna throw Isaiah likely and as a winner there too sure yeah so
I was gonna say Rashad Bateman yeah no that's fair that's fair. That's fair. New England, oh, we did it.
We got Trevion Henderson off the board.
Mike was waiting.
Didn't get him in the first round.
I believe the Bears had two picks
immediately following their.
They were immediately after.
The Patriots was out, the pick is in.
I could see that the Chicago Bears are next.
I passed out.
I lost like. Right, you lost consciousness. I lost consciousness for at least three to five minutes
due to being so upset that the Bears were right there.
Finally came to and I actually, like this,
I've been a big Henderson guy, I think this spot is awesome.
Like long term, I really do like this spot.
Partily, part, partially?
Partily, we're part.
Partily is how you're supposed to.
I don't know what one I was trying to say there.
No, you're gonna go with partly though.
Partily's right.
The, I like what they did in the draft.
I love Will Campbell.
Yeah, oh yeah.
They're at pick four, I think he's gonna help
that offensive line a ton.
Henderson himself is a massive upgrade.
And Kyle Williams, wide receiver in the third round, is a, like, he's a sneaky good player. And so just what they did there
to upgrade things for Drake May, thinking about this team, it might take them a year
or two to get the engines moving again, but like we believe more in the coaching staff. The way, these were the guys who got Derek Henry on that run, and got him going.
So I do, I think long term, I think the spot is fantastic for Henderson.
I wanted to ask this question.
So you've improved the offensive.
Chicago would have been better, but just saying, this is like, the Patriots, are you kidding me? But then after spending some more time with it, I is like, oh, the Patriots, are you kidding me?
But then after spending some more time with it,
I was like, oh, that's a good thing.
When you've only got four wins and you got the fourth pick,
you expect to be a crappy franchise.
But with that fourth pick,
having an offensive line bolstered,
you bring in Mike Vrabel, you add Trevion Henderson.
I was talking earlier this morning
with some of the other guys in the studio.
What do you think is the-
I think Kyle just blew it for you.
No, no, no.
I'm wanting to know what your guys' projection
for the New England Patriots win total next year.
Not what the line is.
I could give two farts.
I'd go about eight and a half.
Is that what the actual line is?
I have no clue.
Yeah.
Okay, so where would you go on that? That's higher than I thought it would be eight and a half. Is that what the actual line is? I have no clue. Yeah.
Okay, so where would you go on that?
I would go.
That's higher than I thought it would be.
I would go below, yeah.
I'm tempted to go on the, above.
I think this could be a sneaky good team.
I would take.
I mean, that's fine.
I'd go under eight and a half, but point being,
like when you're in your rookie drafts,
if they come out here and win seven games this year,
and you're just, the ship could be righted faster than
Well they did.
we had thought.
They paid Ramon Ray, they gave him a four year contract.
That was so strange.
Trevion is not, one of the reasons he didn't go
in the first round, he didn't go to the Chargers,
he didn't go to Cleveland, is not, one of the reasons he didn't go in the first round, he didn't go to the Chargers, he didn't go to Cleveland, is because it works
with a bigger bodied Ramandre Stevenson
and then a more versatile jack of all trades
type of Trevion Henderson, that tandem works.
So projected to be a winning team, no.
So that's a discount on my view of Henderson in
year one. Explosive player, a lot to work through on offense. It's going to be tough in year one.
I mean, I'm willing to believe a little bit of what you're saying about it being a better long
term destination and you need to believe in talent and things like that.
But right now, what we do know is that he will not be
the full-time starter and he will not be on a team
that's projected to win more than they lose.
Correct.
Another bonus here.
And it hurts from Andre so much.
He's such a big fan.
Yes.
Loser.
But when you factor in like, this is Vrabel's team.
Like Trevion Henderson is an elite pass protector
and he doesn't fumble.
Like these are traits that Vrabel is going to
quickly fall in love with.
If you get a Ramandre fumble early on in the season.
And you will.
That could be the flip right there.
But it's very possible to me that Henderson is the Gibson
role of this year for that team.
Because that's what he does.
He can pass for Tech.
He's still small.
He's still an undersized back compared
to a lot of the backs that you see get a big workload.
So wide range of outcomes in year one for me
with a bright future.
Yeah, dynasty-wise, Ramandre Stephens, it's a four-year deal.
The last two years have no dead cap money,
so really 26 is the last year where they cut him.
And I know we're different on this, Mike.
I have Judkins ahead of Henderson
in my rookie running back rankings.
So I like his profiling as a main back.
I think that the Judkins spot is probably
a little bit better for this year,
but I have Henderson just ahead of Judkins
of trying to project out long-term pass catching
and things like that.
Who do you have higher?
I went back and forth and back and forth.
I've got Henderson ahead.
All right, well take a break and be right back.
The New York Jets, not a ton to talk about here Mason Taylor I do like him
second year or second round tight end out of LSU Mike you don't.
There's just just absolute zero out of 10 on the dog meter.
That was your Mason Taylor evaluation?
Yep, that's my evaluation.
Mason Taylor is...
Some dogs, they rest until they get to the big leagues.
I mean, look, obviously the NFL liked him.
I mean, with no dog to go in the second round.
I know, the NFL liked him.
I'm not saying I'm right.
I'm saying I won't be on my teams.
Well, he was a productive, collegiate, tight end that's going to, you know, Tyler
Conklin's gone. That was 72 targets last year. Weapons outside of Garrett Wilson. There aren't
a lot of them. I just, for some reason, I just like the landing spot.
Yeah, no, it's not a bad landing spot. I don't know that you love the quarterback situation here with Justin Fields, but this is a pros son at tight end, which is... he should start. He
should start and he really like when I look at my notes when I scouted him I
you know I basically said this is a pro style. This is an NFL player. This is a
pro tight end. He's gonna be exactly where he's supposed to be every play and do what he's supposed to do.
He didn't strike me as elite or game breaking.
So for fantasy, I don't see him.
Honestly, you can pretty much be like,
oh, Tyler Conklin was a player.
We would start.
You know, as a streaming candidate
over the last couple years, it's like,
hey, this is a good Conk week.
I think we're gonna have those weeks with Mason Taylor.
I don't think he's going to be someone that's like,
oh, wow, he's the tight end rookie that broke out.
It'd be hard for me to classify Justin Fields as a winner
just because I don't feel like they added
a difference making offensive weapon.
I mean, he's, him.
Offensive line.
He's. Sure.
Yeah, I mean, that should help.
I think that the Jets were one of those teams
where you would not have been surprised if they took one of the quarterbacks in the second round. I think that should help. I think that the Jets were one of those teams where you would not have been surprised
if they took one of the quarterbacks in the second round.
I think I would have.
I had Jalen Milrow.
I think I would have been surprised this year.
I projected Milrow to come here.
Oh, there you go.
Yeah, incorrectly.
There was, yeah, what an idiot.
If we want to talk picks, I, you did, by a lot.
We don't want to talk picks though, sorry.
But, and Garrett Wilson too, this was one of the teams where they thought, Yeah, Jason won this year. By a lot. We don't wanna talk picks though, sorry. But, and Garrett Wilson too.
There was, this was one of the teams where they thought
hey maybe a high profile.
And Breece Hall.
High profile pass catcher is gonna go here,
but the Justin Fields throwing 150 targets at Garrett Wilson.
How many are catchable?
I don't know.
Six.
But there's gonna be 150 plus targets.
No, Breece Hall, you know, Jason kicked him off his team.
He's gonna be set up for success.
Miami.
Go be free, young man.
Miami didn't do much.
I don't really have strong opinions on anything
that happened during the draft.
They got their quarterback of the future.
They went interior offensive line.
They went D tackle.
They went D line.
Corner safety.
Ollie Gordon dropped.
Dude.
Late six round.
I think a big fantasy winner here.
So Olly Gordon, the second, he was a player
that a lot of draft Twitter loved.
Kyle, could he have gone into the draft last year
and he made the decision?
He was just a sophomore.
Okay, so you, okay.
But a lot, people were wondering, you know,
will this be, could he sneak into a day two pick,
a top three round pick?
Because his sophomore year, so two years ago at OK State,
1,700 rushing yards and 21 touchdowns.
He's a big boy.
I did not.
That fell apart the next year.
Yeah, I did not love his tape.
I watched the most recent season always,
and he didn't look good this last year. Fell to the next year. Yeah, I did not love his tape. I watched the most recent season always and he didn't look good this last year.
Fell to the sixth round.
And so even though they did add a running back here,
I don't, like, Devon Aitchan, I think is a big winner.
Yes, agreed.
This was a team that had a lot of mock drafts
where you could have seen them add an impactful
day two style running back here.
And they waited to the sixth round.
Yeah it was fortunate that they had and they only had a first and a second they
didn't have a third a fourth and you avoided him getting you know
messed up for fantasy. Buffalo okay. Next team. Yeah, I mean look, Buffalo is gonna,
they're set up and it wasn't through the draft.
Their offense, we know what it is.
They went defensive heavy first five rounds.
Corner back, D line, edge, D line,
corner back, corner back, offensive tackle on the sixth.
I mean, they got a, this is not fantasy relevant.
What is fantasy relevant is kinda like
what we were saying with the Bengals.
Continuity on offense.
Yeah, you know that, you know, you know, kind of the wide receiver.
You add Joshua Palmer to a team, you don't need to add anybody else.
Oh, yeah. You saw the GM here.
Oh, yeah. He was mad.
He was mad. He's like, you guys all were complaining about Josh Allen.
You want to Josh Rosen.
And now you're complaining
we didn't add a wide receiver.
Yeah, they're gonna be fine.
They're fine.
AFC West, welcome home Ash and Gentie.
Goes number six overall to the Raiders.
They also spent a second round pick.
Yeah, they did.
Jack Besh, wide receiver, TCU.
If you've tuned into the Dynasty podcast at all
during this off season, you know that we have,
as a collective group, fallen in love with Jack Besh.
We thought it was just a later breakout.
But that last year at TCU, this is a dude
who absolutely gets it done.
He's open all the time, making tough blocks
against zone covers, 3.1 yards per route run.
He was this player that we all were in love with
and kept having to say, oh man,
I don't know what the NFL is gonna think about this player.
But this was where everything united.
I mean, to the Raiders,
who desperately need another wide receiver
Like the raiders are who have a quarterback. The Raiders are so fun now. Oh, yeah, this Raiders offense has I
Don't know if you ready to root for Chip Kelly. Oh
Yes, are you okay with that? Oh, I am all the way
I'm gonna gave us fantasy goodness when when he was around. Yeah
A lot of different Brock powers
when he was around. Yeah.
He gave us a lot of different things.
Brock Bowers, Jack Besh, Ashton Gentry
is a young, awesome core.
You throw in Jacoby Myers as just a quality NFL veteran.
This should be an offense with Geno Smith
that provides a lot of fantasy goodness.
So the-
Yeah, Geno gets a bump up with just Gentry and Besh.
For sure.
So that's, it is gonna be a fun team and they had
two tackles picked in on day two. So this is they went pretty heavy on offense. Yeah.
The Denver Broncos. Yeah. This was what we were on Henderson Henderson watch at pick
20 in the first round. Mike was anticipating it. It didn't happen. They end up drafting R.J. Harvey out of UCF,
picked 60 in the draft.
Somebody that, Sean Payton came out and said
he watched the film of for hours.
I went and watched the film of R.J. Harvey.
The small school storyline.
This is an interesting opportunity for this guy.
He is super old. Yeah, for a running back coming in.
He's 24 years old.
I mean, that is, I want my rookies
to play their entire rookie season.
Like, I hope that they play their entire rookie season at 21.
Yeah.
22 is like, OK, that's pretty normal.
What, did he lose two seasons, right?
24?
He's 24 years old.
He lost one to COVID, and he lost one to an ACL tear.
So I'm just saying the reason why he's that old.
Sure, but no one didn't lose the COVID year.
Well, he didn't.
And not everyone is.
But I mean, in terms of college eligibility
and playing more seasons.
So 2020, he only appeared in two games.
It's not an excuse.
I'm telling you the facts.
2021, no season data, and then three years of being a pretty strong player.
So it was funny, you talked about Sean Payton and how he was talking.
So in his press conference, he was talking about how they were looking at Gentie.
And they really liked Gentie, but they were like, that's unrealistic,
he's not gonna be there. So they're looking at all these running backs
because they knew they needed a back and which back were they going to fall in love with
at different parts of the draft and they could have taken Henderson or Amarion Hampton.
Or Judd Kentz.
Like they were all there and they, this was their target. This was the guy that they were
saying I want him later in the draft and they picked him ahead of where I think most people
expected him to go.
I really, really liked his tape before the NFL draft.
He reminded me of.
Do you like the 22 touchdowns and 1,600 yards
on the ground last year?
Yeah, I mean, he's great.
He could catch the ball.
Honestly, he's probably the biggest riser in fantasy.
In fantasy drafts from pre-draft to post-draft. This is the name to know. RJ Harvey,
I like it. Don't go by ADP. He's not a big boy. He's very undersized and I will not be surprised.
Probably has brittle old bones. Yeah. I mean, this team, yeah, because of his age. Yeah.
Yeah, the first time we've done a brand new rookie who's never played in the elderly home.
How old is Javante Williams?
Six, 65?
He's gotta be like 20, I'm gonna go 20.
Probably 25.
Yeah, 20, 25.
Yeah, he's one year older.
Wow.
But look, it's gonna be a committee there,
that's the thing.
There will be a committee backfield.
It's not gonna be RJ Harvey.
There's gonna be other backs involved.
Last year you saw it a ton. Lots of different backs getting involved. We had a bidet involved, okay?
Yeah. And so it's just about how much of the responsibilities that matter to
Sean Payton can this young man handle? Can he pass protect? That's gonna be a
big storyline for Bo Nix. They also spin a third round pick on Pat Bryant out of Illinois.
6'2, 204 wide receiver. It's another one like the
Kyle Williams draft where this guy's name wasn't necessarily
heavy on the radar for people but
the production of his final season is
it's really strong. You're talking a 43% dominator rating,
which means he accounted for 43% of his teams
receiving yards and receiving touchdowns.
Yeah, he had 17 touchdowns over the last two seasons,
a really good player whose name you probably didn't know
before the NFL Draft because it wasn't talked about a lot.
Both of these guys, RJ Harvey and Pat Bryant,
are massive to me above
where they were ADP guys post NFL draft. Yeah I would I would expect in the
backfield, Audrick Estimé, who they did draft last year, will be heavily
involved and then Julien McLaughlin takes a big L with the addition of RJ Harvey.
Yeah I think if you're talking about a committee, Harvey seems like the guy that
takes McLaughlin's snaps. That's exactly right, I agree.
Bo Nicks, get him a couple weapons, helps him out.
Moving to the Chargers.
Oh baby.
Pick 22, Omarion Hampton, who was outside of Gentie,
my favorite running back, I believe, Jason's as well.
Yep, for sure.
And goes to a situation here where Najee's
on a one-year deal.
I think I said this on the livestream.
I'm so pleased that I can dislike Najee for fantasy
again, because it was a little brief little window here
from the end of the season to now,
but I had to acknowledge his upside.
I'm hoping to discourage his upside.
I am old enough to remember a couple months ago when
Mike, the fantasy hit Hitman Wright said,
should the Chargers draft someone on day two
that's a quality back, you think that by the end
of the season, he will have the starting job
over Najee Harris.
I do, yeah.
And they drafted an awesome back.
And they did it in the first round.
So I know a lot, there are legitimate concerns
of year one, what is this gonna look like
with Najee Harris on the roster?
But I do-
I'm barely concerned.
I think by the end of the year,
you're gonna have an Omarion Hampton takeover
and then for dynasty purposes going forward
with Giro and Harbaugh's offense
and the three-back quality, they drafted a guy
who is supposed to be on the field every play.
That is what they went after.
So I don't think they're looking to have this be,
bring another back in to share time with them next year.
I think this will be the Hampton show.
Was it Michael Carter, Reese Hall,
that we enjoyed in your way?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, Najee is a good player.
Najee's gonna have a role in the goal line
and that could hurt Hampton a little bit
from a fantasy production standpoint.
But this is not a long-term plan.
Harris is not a long-term plan for the Chargers.
And we spent all the last offseason
with Gus Edwards as the lead man and J.K. Dobbins behind him.
I love Hampton.
If I didn't believe in the talent,
maybe I'd be more worried.
My only question for him long-term,
and he's my 102.
I'm not gonna fight against the landing spot is great
in the first round draft capital versus the other guys.
The question for him long term to me is will the
touchdowns flow enough to account for pass catching and or do they change the
the the Greg Roman system up and we get some actual targets here because they're
looking at the the breakdown of last year like JK Dobbins in 13 games so when
he was actually playing he saw 8% of targets and 8% target share is that won't turn you into
an elite player unless you're compensating by you're getting 12 plus
rushing touchdowns. It won't turn you into an elite player but it is certainly not a
lack of targets that stops you from being a top 10 type of running back.
Yeah I'm talking like Ken Hampton.
People love Hampton.
They're like, he will be with Gentie.
He will be a top five type of a dynasty running back.
And I'm saying, does the offense allow him to do that?
Dobbins last year missed four games
and was running back 23.
So he missed some time.
I think the system is just too good.
Yeah, and you know, you have seen, obviously, a completely different system, but you've
seen Austin Eckler with Justin Herbert.
Yeah, the quarterback will do it.
Get 100 targets.
And Hampton is a great pass blocker and a great pass catcher.
So I do think you're going to have Justin Herbert utilize him in all facets of the game.
And I, you know, this is, to me, pretty much a top five dynasty running back right now.
They, they also spin a second round pick on Malik Neighbors High School quarterback, also
known as wide receiver Trey Harris.
My man, it was a good, it was a good second round for us dynasty pod bros.
Yeah.
Because you've been, you've been loving Besh,
I've been loving Trey Harris.
Last year I loved Troy Franklin and he fell to the fourth.
It was like, okay, well you're dead to me.
This year it was Trey Harris and he got picked,
oh baby, he got picked at pick.
55!
To Justin Herbert on a team that needs an Alpha 1 on the outside.
Like I love Lad McConkie, but Lad McConkie is not the number one.
You know, he's not your classic X receiver.
Right.
Yeah.
Right now they have Quinton Johnson.
They have added Mike Williams back to the roster.
They have Trey Harrison the second round.
It's been a fourth round pick on Lambert Smith out of Auburn. They're trying to solidify the weapons. I did think that this was a
team that might take a shot at one of the big tight ends. That didn't happen. So, you know,
we do have the... Dizzle is still there, right? Yes. So, I mean, talk about big winners for the draft. Oh, his big winners is Big Montana. Will Disley, woo hoo hoo hoo.
Wow.
He's a winner.
Yeah baby.
I mean, Kyle's reminding us they have Conklin, guys.
Oh. Shut up, Kyle.
You know, the nice thing about Disley
is he doesn't ever care who he's on the roster with.
Yeah.
He just somehow does stuff.
But Justin Herbert, a big winner,
adding a great running back, I mean, they're off season.
Adding Hampton and Harris helped so much.
Another second round pick at the wide receiver position,
signing Mike Williams.
This is a team that's, they're set up.
You can like Las Vegas all you want,
but getting by the Chiefs and getting by the Chargers
Getting by the Broncos that's gonna be a tough
Tough ask one more team. It's a good division the Chiefs
Well fourth round by the Seaver Jalen Royals in the fourth it I
Obviously we want to like the location of the Chiefs
We needed them to actually get back to being the high powered Kansas City Chiefs.
But I will still error on the side of this is a good landing spot because you
have a great quarterback and Jalen Royals is a good wide receiver.
Like his behind the scene metrics are strong.
It's just where can he get get on the field with Rice and Worthy in Hollywood
in front of him?
In Hollywood, yeah.
He'll be a depth piece for them, but should the bat signal go off for Jalen Royals, I
think that he'll be able to come through.
Isn't Juju back in Kansas City?
Oh no, is he seriously?
I don't know, I don't remember that, but yeah. He is. I'm pretty sure he's back. Yeah, Kyle just- Wow, my Juju back in Kansas City? Oh, no. Is he seriously? I don't know. I don't remember that, but...
He is.
I'm pretty sure he's back.
Yeah, Kyle just...
Wow. My Juju notifications are off.
They feel, to me, this is we didn't spend a pick until the fourth round on an offensive
player, so your running back room and your wide receiver room, we feel okay with.
Yeah. Isiah Pacheco is a winner. Now, I don't think he is set up the way he was last year,
right? They already brought in Elijah Missal, and they have Hunt, who they basically had usurp
him last season.
So Isaiah Pacheco is not just set up for success, but he is definitely a big winner from this
draft.
There were a lot of talk.
A lot of mocks had, if Trevion Henderson fell to the Chiefs, I thought the Chiefs might
take him.
They had the chance, and they bypassed. So he comes out unscathed with an opportunity to reclaim
what he went into last year having.
So yeah, that's it. We made it through all of the AFC teams. We'll do the NFC draft recap
winners and losers on Thursday. It's a good time to remind you what we said at the top, the Dynasty
pass, the updates, they should all be live now and you know we've been breaking
down all of our Dynasty startup rankings, our rookie rankings, the two quarterback
league rankings, a lot going on right now and then we'll be digging in for the
UDK release which is a month away basically. The full UDK releases on June
1st so very very excited about that.
But that's it for today's show.
Thank you for joining us.
We'll be back very soon and you know, get my Hampton Jersey.
Goodbye.
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