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Episode Date: May 2, 2024

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Starting point is 00:01:18 Welcome in. Thursday, May 2nd. Mike Wright is here. I'm Andy Holloway. And we are the same age as we have been. And somebody else is a year older than he used to be jason happy birthday to me happy birthday jason thanks i uh i i work on my birthday unlike papa josh that's a great point yeah that's a good point papa josh takes off obviously the birthday the day before him and all of his family members birthdays the day before day before or the day after. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:06 And he knows it's true. He's nodding. He's actively nodding. But you don't celebrate your birthday that way. No, I'm not 10 anymore, so I don't do these big. Can I stay home from school, Mom? I'm usually going to just make sure I make it to a nice steakhouse for a steak and potatoes. Are you all booked up? Tonight you're going to eat well?
Starting point is 00:02:30 I'm sure my wife's got something planned. That's nice. That's nice. Welcome in. We've got the second half of our draft recap going through the AFC winners and losers from the NFL draft, which is going to be very fun. I thought the NFC show went well. Oh, it was excellent.
Starting point is 00:02:48 Okay. Lots of thoughts there. Glad I threw that out there. It was tremendous. You can go back and listen. What else do we have going on? We had a very special giveaway. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:01 I'm not seeing where – someone hit a sound. I feel like we need a celebration. That'll work. So giveaway winners. This was a big one. We were giving away Listener League spot and some jerseys. Congratulations to Nicholas. And good luck pronouncing this last name.
Starting point is 00:03:20 How would you do it? Voyes. Nicholas. Nicholas Voyiz. Congratulations. You are in the listener league. Our team will reach out to you. Justin Jefferson signed jersey.
Starting point is 00:03:33 Kevin F. Congratulations. Fleurage. Thank you. Travis ETN jersey. Christopher M. Manilo. The special gift. All of the bonus. jersey, Christopher M. Manilo. And the special gift. All of the bonus. Yeah, a Michael Pinnock
Starting point is 00:03:49 signed jersey, signed, of course, by Kyle the Borgogan himself. I mean, that's the real prize here. There is. We might want to ask David who won this, David Bergstrom, if he wants Kyle to soil the jersey or not. But congratulations and thank you to everybody who entered through
Starting point is 00:04:09 ultimate draft kit. Just wear it. What's that. The jersey. Yeah. OK. I'm just saying whether we want his signature on it or not. I feel like when you soil something that's a potty.
Starting point is 00:04:21 Yeah. That's not like I'm sweating into it. That's I took it. I was trying to confirm just where. You didn't have to really jump in here. You said he doesn't want them to soil. Soiling the jersey can be just getting it dirty. I don't think that's true.
Starting point is 00:04:34 Yes, and don't shake your head back there. It can. You guys live inside of a bathroom. Yeah. So what? Welcome to my office. Yeah. I mean.
Starting point is 00:04:45 You can't sit down because it's taken. It's taken. I didn't mean he was going to like. Anyways. Twitter at the FF Ballers. Follow us over there. The community, the Foot Clan. 30,000 strong at jointhefoot.com.
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Starting point is 00:05:20 It gets a lot looser there. And this time of year, you also get access to the Foot Clan Leagues. So these are, you know, that community of Foot Clan members that are, you know, just love the show, love fantasy football. They get in leagues together, and Dynasty Leagues are forming all the time right now after the NFL draft. So if you're like, man, I see all these rookie drafts going. I see all these startup drafts going. I want to get in one. You can go to FootClanLeagues.com and find some new friends. There you go. JoinTheFoot.com
Starting point is 00:05:48 is the community. I think that is it up at the top. Am I forgetting anything there, Al? No, sir. Alright, let's jump into some news. News and notes from around the league. Travis Kelsey got paid two-year $34 million extension. He's going to live forever.
Starting point is 00:06:16 I guess. I have had the most comedic offseason for my dynasty team. Yeah, because your dynasty team is ancient. My dynasty team is so old, and yet... How old is it? And yet Mike Evans, signing an extension. Travis Kelsey, extension. Tyler Lockett, extension. Mostert.
Starting point is 00:06:38 Mostert. Got an extension. It makes no sense, but I'm riding it into the ground, and no one wants to trade with me. Yeah. I mean, this is great news for, obviously, for Travis Kelsey, for dynasty managers of Kelsey. I know Mike and I's champ, champ, champ team. We've got Kelsey.
Starting point is 00:06:54 This is just nice. We were still champ, champ, champ in a row. You're hashtag not the champ. Yeah. I mean, it's like a president. Once a president, always a president. Yeah, I was going to go Academy Award winner. Yeah. Presidents can't run again, right?
Starting point is 00:07:09 Well, you can serve two limits, but you're still... You haven't hit your limit. You're still president so-and-so. Look, I just am not going to let champ, champ, champ go for the entire year. We will retire at 10 championships. So, exactly seven years from now. See, if you stuck with the president thing,
Starting point is 00:07:25 there should have been eight championships. Sure. So make up your mind. Kelsey. Chip, chip, chip. Kelsey, a new deal. You like to see it. Shows his commitment.
Starting point is 00:07:37 He wants to be there. They want to win it again and again. I'm sure. I mean, that's the truth is if they win three, how does he not come back for four? Yeah. I do think for fantasy purposes, Kelsey will continue to go downhill in total fantasy points on a fantasy points per game basis, not because he's even losing a step, but as he gets older,
Starting point is 00:07:57 they are being more cautious with his utilization. And so he's going to be important. He's going to be a top tight end but i don't think he will completely and utterly dominate the way that you know he did when he was the tight end one year after year after year after year after year what you would look to if you want to be encouraged about a potential future is tony gonzalez because gonzalez was the tight end 4, 2, and 5 in his year 35, 36, and 37, which is wild. Yeah, he could probably do that.
Starting point is 00:08:31 Those numbers all look achievable too. It's like 80 for 807, 93 for 930 and 8. Like that's in the cards, and I didn't realize that until this exact moment how good he was at that age. So like you said, not number one dominating, that type of thing, but he could be still valuable for a while. Yeah, a top five tight end is pretty much a sure thing. He's still the number one target for Patrick Mahomes.
Starting point is 00:08:56 We're going to love it, but you just have to be realistic at age 34. You look at the last four years, he's gone from 86% of snaps, 82% of snaps, 80% of snaps, and this last year, 77% of snaps. So they're just being cautious, as they should. They've won back-to-back championships. They're a smart team. Falcons picked up the fifth-year option for Kyle Pitts, which projects to be $10.875 million. He's only 23 years old still.
Starting point is 00:09:24 By the way, Kelsey had zero career receptions at the age that Kyle Pitts currently is. That's wild. Kelsey obviously wasn't drafted as a toddler like Kyle Pitts was and then he also started his career injured, but
Starting point is 00:09:39 Kyle Pitts is young enough to be a rookie in this draft. There are rookies coming out that are older than him right now. Yeah. So still some hope, potential, and a future there in a new offense. Zay Jones was released by Jacksonville. Did you guys see the – A little surprising because he's had a big role in the offense.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Yeah. He should find a team. But the way I found the news was through the rap sheet tweet, but the phrasing was Was it suspect? Go ahead and give it to us. No, it's just thanks to their recent draft additions,
Starting point is 00:10:16 the Jaguars released Zay Jones and Joey Sly. Thank you, guys. I'm out of a job. Why are you doing that to these kids yeah they weren't doing that on purpose no they didn't know who was going to get canned thanks to their draft additions uh and free agency right gabe davis was at it michael gallup one year deal with the raiders where uh wide receivers generally go for their final season and until they leave
Starting point is 00:10:42 yeah well he will have a bad quarterback throwing the ball to him very rarely. So if that sounds good to you for fantasy. That's the recipe? Yep. Rarely targeted by a bad quarterback? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 00:10:56 That's true. What? Gardner. You're hesitant. Oh, he feels like you're shooting Gardner. I don't think Gardner's bad. I think Gardner plays half the season. Aiden O'Connell plays half the season.
Starting point is 00:11:08 This team loses a lot of games. So half the season he is a quarterback. I'm just trying to stand up for Gardner. He's not bad. Half the season, Devontae Adams, Jacoby Myers, Trey Tucker, they have a good quarterback. Brock Bowers. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:21 Okay. All right. Any other news, gentlemen? Anything you got for us? Nothing back here. Didn't we have like a mediocre signing of the week drop? Oh, of course we do. I mean, this is made for Michael Gallup, won your $3 million.
Starting point is 00:11:39 Mediocre signing of the week. Man, now we can say congratulations, Michael Gallup. This is a big deal. You got the mediocre signing of the week on the Famous Footballers Podcast. If Mike wants some propaganda, Gardner Minshew.
Starting point is 00:11:55 Oh! Career passing stats. Look at this! He's 59 touchdowns, 24 picks. Trevor Lawrence is 58 touchdowns, 39 picks. In one fewer game played. Yeah, I'm just saying.
Starting point is 00:12:08 Who's bad now? Michael Gallup? Yeah, that's fair. Alright, let's jump in. Hi, rookie. Welcome to the NFL. Alright, we are walking through all the AFC teams and the takeaways from the draft, winners and losers, fantasy-relevant selections and how they're going to do this year
Starting point is 00:12:33 or how we project them to do. So here we go. The New England Patriots selected Drake May at pick three. So they got their quarterback. They got a quarterback who is uh very young a ton of talent who the vikings tried to trade up and get and you know new england's an interesting situation i i had asked the borgo again about a research project a research project, which I'm sure he hasn't done yet because he just – It's also been like 24 hours.
Starting point is 00:13:10 Just kidding. But every draft has like three or four teams that look like a destination that is Siberia or being condemned to a certain situation. And the Patriots kind of fit that mold, even though they don't have the same offensive coordinator or the same head coach. Quarterback was a huge problem. It's a full reboot. Yeah, it's a full reboot. But Drake May, brand-new quarterback, they spend a second and a fourth-round
Starting point is 00:13:37 pick on wide receivers in Jalen Polk, who I really – I liked him on film. Out of Washington, he was one of the targets for Michael Penix Jr. You heard me right. Javon Baker, round four. So the reset is in order. It's a tough division. There's not a lot of clarity, I think, in how things are going to play out on the offensive side of the football.
Starting point is 00:14:03 When you have a rookie, you have a scheme that's changing. Some recent news just came out talking about the Cleveland-style offense being implemented, which means some power runs, which Ramondre Stevenson hasn't run a bunch of those in his career at all. And so then you bring in Antonio Gibson, and then you have a wide receiver room that is like no more occupancy because there's so many. The wide receiver room is crazy.
Starting point is 00:14:24 I mean, you've added these two rookie wide receivers to your rookie quarterback in hopes that you're planning for the future and that these guys work out. They are met with Demario Douglas, who was an interesting rookie last year, and they've still got Juju Smith-Schuster on the roster. They signed K.J. Osborne. They've got Kendrick Bourne. I mean, they've got Jalen Rager and Tyquan Thornton.
Starting point is 00:14:47 This wide receiver room is like chock full of wide receiver threes. It really is. So that's where you're hoping that one of these two rookies emerges. It's also where you're going to probably see, similar to the Cleveland Browns offense, the utilization of the tight end. Hunter Henry re-signed. He will probably be fantasy relevant. But it makes it really, really difficult for at least year one.
Starting point is 00:15:13 I mean, Dynasty, all these players matter. But it makes the path for relevant fantasy options here look murky because their entire draft this year was offense. Their defense was great, and they said, we're going to go hard at the offense. That's where they focused and it I don't have a ton of confidence yeah I don't have a huge amount of confidence for this year but Andy the point of just be open to the idea because I I am on the side of this looks so bad on paper. Can they really turn this around?
Starting point is 00:15:47 But it's a brand-new staff, and just leave room for one of these guys to actually be good, and specifically to Dynasty where, like, watching where Jalen Polk is being drafted in rookie drafts is wild. We know in our hearts that not every pick works, but draft capital is a huge signal to success in the NFL. Polk was the 37th overall pick. And in all the rookie drafts I've taken part of,
Starting point is 00:16:22 I have seen fourth-round selection, Mr. Franklin, Jason, your guy. Hey, Franklin. But Franklin drafted well before Polk goes. They're usually right around the same spot, but you're right. People have been drafting fourth-rounder over a second-rounder. So it's just leave some room that Polk might be a good player. I don't know. Well, we're burnt a little bit in both situations when you bring up Thornton.
Starting point is 00:16:54 Yeah, you could say the same thing for Thornton. Thornton was the 50th pick in the draft. So I think it's all going to come down, we know it, to Drake May and whether he performs. And if he does, then he's going to find his favorites. And this depth chart, we'll be paying close attention to it in training camp. And so they might be hard to stat right now, but it's going to become more clear what that depth chart looks like. It's not going to be eight guys.
Starting point is 00:17:16 There's going to be some favorites. And I think if DeMario Douglas starts lighting it up in training camp and Polk, there may be two or three guys you take a shot at. Polk, I a really good wide receiver I just don't know that he's got a ceiling for fantasy he's kind of in my Tyler Boyd category where he's a relevant guy who's gonna you know if you've got a double flex you might be able to use him but he just doesn't seem to have the skill set to me like Baker Javon Baker has to me, a higher ceiling if both those wide receivers were to hit. Who is the player I really wanted to see succeed in New York last year on the Giants?
Starting point is 00:17:52 Wyatt? Oh, that's what it was, Jalen Hyatt. Yeah, that would be my worry with Jalen Polk. Yeah, yeah. He has that kind of a role. The New York Jets, last year 7-10, spent a third-round selection on Malachi Corley. They were very excited, if you saw the video.
Starting point is 00:18:09 Yeah, they tried to trade up several times, got denied by team after team after team. They just wanted Malachi Corley, and then he fell farther than they thought. They still traded up and got him. Yeah, moved up seven spots to pick up Corley. To me, they had a struggle beyond Garrett Wilson last year. We all saw it. This offseason, they go out and they add Mike Williams. They add Malachi
Starting point is 00:18:31 Corley, a youngster, with some upside. I thought Xavier Gibson looked okay last year at times in the offense. Aaron Rodgers is a winner when you spend a third-round pick on a talent like that. Not a big one, but this off season they added more weapons to the room and they didn't go out and add another tight end. They were in the market for Brock Bowers, or
Starting point is 00:18:56 at least they were in the rumor mill for Brock Bowers. So Tyler Conklin looks like he's going to be the starting tight end there, another winner. Yeah, on our Dynasty podcast, Kyle brought up him as the veteran the sneaky veteran winner uh certainly the outlook is good there malachi corley fits this offense i think very well you've got garrett wilson who just owns the middle of the field like that that medium depth range you've got when mike williams gets back he's going to be the take it off the top you know go deep guy and then Malachi Corley is like- Just hang out like Rondell Moore. Exactly. Just get this screen and run over some fools and run past some guys.
Starting point is 00:19:31 And so I think they have a plan for him, and that's really, really good. If there's fools out there, you have to run them over. For sure. You're not going around fools. If they're just guys, you can run around them. Fools, you run them straight through. 100%. Straight through the face.
Starting point is 00:19:46 Over and over and over. If there was another player that feels just – Michael Penix is going to sit for a little while. Braylon Allen going in the fourth round behind so many more running backs. It feels like Braylon Allen's time in the NFL is getting the most difficult beginning possible where I mean last offseason you guys were a band of condo boys and this is Brees Hall's backfield so Braylon Allen right now terrible landing spot for fantasy fourth round pick terrible in terms of yeah like there's no immediate opportunity
Starting point is 00:20:26 he does does he get the backup job is the question and that's which which is a question well but in dynasty you always want to have backup running backs on your roster just in case and my guess is that Braylon will take the backup job. J.R., do you have confidence that a band of Canada will hold him off? I have no confidence in either way. I mean, Braylon Allen can get it. Izzy can hold on to it. They drafted a fifth round running back, Isaiah Davis.
Starting point is 00:20:58 I'm sure they're considering special teams for some of these picks. My view of Braylon Allen is I don't want to overdo the pre-draft hype when he fell and then fell into a bad spot like you could fall and fall into a good spot Malik Washington's six-round rookie wide receiver that I like he fell and fell into a bad spot he's behind not only a stud but a young stud I got two words for you Isaiah Spiller yeah Isaiah Spiller's story is the same story of Braylon Allen original early draft excitement around early round, ends up going later than expected, ends up going to a situation where he can't start from the beginning.
Starting point is 00:21:30 He's not a top three round rookie pick for me. He would be a fourth round rookie pick. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back with the Dolphins. Speaking of Malik Washington. Were we? Jason did in passing. Yeah, I mentioned that some guys can fall in the draft but then land in a good spot for them for their skill set.
Starting point is 00:21:58 And I think Malik Washington, I mean, he's a fast wide receiver. Lo and behold. Well, yeah, ends up going in the sixth round to Miami, who also invested in speed on a player that dropped a little bit. A little bit. Jalen Wright running back out of Tennessee, a player that was coming on at the combine and through that time period. I really liked him.
Starting point is 00:22:22 Lands in a spot where that speed can go into effect. They reinforced the offensive line at tackle in the second round. Miami, they're right on the edge of being a Super Bowl contender every year the last two years. So more competition in the running back room or at least more depth. So then how do you feel? You just were – Mostert got the extension for your dynasty team. You're obviously happy about that.
Starting point is 00:22:50 I think you were, I guess I don't know if Jason, but you to me were the one most vocal about your support for Jalen Wright. He, to me, always felt like this is where he's going to go in the draft. But he's fast, and he went to the team that loves fast running backs. Do you have Raheem Mostert fears with Jalen Wright now on the team? I think Mostert has one year left. This is the year. So if he stays healthy, I don't have a lot of fear,
Starting point is 00:23:16 but he can easily be injured, and I don't think they want A-Chan, who's been hurt a whole multitude of times, to be the only player involved in this offense. Jeff Wilson had a role the last couple of years. So I look at Jalen Wright as somebody that can come in, and if he establishes himself as a speedster, just another rotational guy they can put in there at the end of games when they're blowing people out to get him some snaps.
Starting point is 00:23:39 But then if Mostert or A-Chan went down, there's no way the other guy is taking every snap. That just won't happen in this Miami offense. It never has. That's why players like Jeff Wilson have been involved, and we liked Mostert, but then Jeff Wilson the year before had almost as many snaps as Mostert. So, you know, I just think Jalen Wright will have more opportunities
Starting point is 00:23:59 maybe quicker than we think he will. I don't think he'll be a fantasy-relevant guy, though. Yeah, I mean, because this is a split backfield. So he is essentially, even though he's the third on the depth chart, he's the backup. He's the backup to the two starters. They've got a co-situation here. And he is the clear next guy up.
Starting point is 00:24:16 I don't think he's fighting with anybody on the depth chart that you fear he would break in. They wanted him. Yeah, I mean, they traded up for this pick, and so he matches the system a lot. I was very anti-Devon Aitken. I loved the film. I loved the tape, but I was out on him working and succeeding in the NFL until he went to the Dolphins. I was like, that is a perfect scheme fit. He fits this running game perfectly, and then I was super in on him. Obviously, he got injured a lot, but Jalen Wright fits this system. Big-bodied, super-fast guys.
Starting point is 00:24:51 It's exciting, but he did drop to the fourth, and he is a backup. This is more of a long-term play that, you know, barring injury, is probably going to be irrelevant. I don't view Jalen Wright's signing, personally, in redraft to affect Devon Achan or Raheem Mostert in any significant ways at all. I think they're going to do what they're going to do.
Starting point is 00:25:15 An injury, this is depth, and then future for Mostert can't do this forever. I see it the same. Tua gets some offensive line help, like I said in the second round. Malik Washington, there's not a role that's there for him right this moment. Late draft capital. They really, really wanted him.
Starting point is 00:25:37 If you watched the draft, Mike McDaniel kept trying for two rounds, was trying to get him to draft Malik Washington and then finally beat the GM into submission, and they selected him in the sixth. He'll find a way to utilize the speed. He's super productive. His production profile is outrageous for his final year. Yeah, 110 receptions, 1,426 yards, and nine touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:26:05 But even I'm saying above the raw numbers, like 44% of their receptions, 47% of their yards, like their receiving yards. This guy was literally half of the receiving offense for Virginia. And yet dropped quite a ways. Yeah, he did. So this was also a team rumored to be in the market for Odell. That didn't come to fruition.
Starting point is 00:26:28 But you'll have Waddle, you'll have Tyreek Hill, and then you'll have a number of guys. I think Berrios is still there. River Craycraft is still there. I think that the wide receiver three was a need for the Dolphins. Yeah, Robbie Chosen. Is he still there? No, he's not there.
Starting point is 00:26:44 But they had to go out and get that last year in the middle of the. Yeah, Robbie Chosen. Is he still there? No, he's not there, but they had to go out and get that last year in the middle of the season, to Jason's point. Alright, let's talk about the Buffalo Bills. I'm pretty excited to discuss this team because Keon Coleman ends up going in the second round,
Starting point is 00:27:00 but the first pick of the second round, the Bills traded back two times in the first. They end up sticking at 33, which I think is relevant because every team comes calling for that first pick of the second round, the Bills traded back two times in the first. They end up sticking at 33, which I think is relevant because every team comes calling for that first pick of the second round. 6-4, 2-15. His 40 time got a bunch of bitter beer faces from the draft community. But the Bills believed in him over a lot of other more popular names to come in and fill the X role after shipping out Stephon Diggs,
Starting point is 00:27:31 shipping out Gabe Davis, letting him go, and are in desperate need of a playmaker and a touchdown scorer in this offense. And those things are what Keon Coleman can do. You listen to Billy Bean, right, as the general manager, and you listen to him talk about Keon Coleman can do you listen to the uh Billy Bean right as the general manager and you listen to him talk about Keon Coleman and the fact that they're going to expect big things from him and Josh Allen expects big things from him on day one Brandon Bean Brandon Bean Billy Bean I was like the baseball guy no yeah no but Bean you were so quick Mr. Bean is what I should have said. Rowan Atkinson?
Starting point is 00:28:05 Yeah. So Keon Coleman, I'm really excited to talk about him. It makes Josh Allen a winner in the fact that they invested high draft capital on a wide receiver and makes – we weren't really worried about Allen, but I think in the back of your mind you're like, they're going to add somebody. I don't care if he has weapons to throw too much or not. He had 15 rushing touchdowns this last year.
Starting point is 00:28:26 They started using the tush push. But even you can't. Like, we were doing our stats for Buffalo. Neither of us have the guts to do more than 9 or 10 on a projection. So, in that case, you're like, that's what saved his season. He only threw 24 touchdowns, 23? Well, and that's kind of what is a little bit comforting is the fact that Stephon Diggs did almost nothing
Starting point is 00:28:48 the second half of the season once they had the coordinator change, and Josh Allen was still very relevant. 29 passing touchdowns. Wait, no. Sorry. Yeah, 29. Check again.
Starting point is 00:28:59 Well, 24 was the sack number, so that got a little thrown off. But yeah, 29. Yeah, I mean, the situation here for Keon Coleman can't find a much better situation. The Bills were on the clock. They could have drafted Xavier Worthy. They chose to trade back.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Then they were on the clock. They could have drafted Xavier Leggett. They chose to trade back. They're like, I don't like guys named Xavier. That's their, they just don't like. Well, because you don't know, is it Xavier or is it Xavier? Yeah, and I think it's one of each. And so it it's like let's just take coleman so they trade back again one more spot and take kian coleman with the first pick of the second round he's a guy that
Starting point is 00:29:33 andy you really like this film yeah i like this film i was i was more in but his production profile is very confusing he dominates games and then disappears and that is what you hope they did not just get another Gabe Davis where it's like this guy can go out there and explode and absolutely disappear um I think he's gonna be more involved I do I think he'll be more involved he's who I I think as a rookie he'll lead them in receiving I I think Dalton Kincaid leads them in receiving but I will say that I love the fact that this guy is so young he had a breakout age at 19.3, so this is a player that is still improving, and if he is given opportunity in his rookie year from a dynasty perspective,
Starting point is 00:30:13 I expect him to grow into a good wide receiver. Yeah, his yards per route run from the collegiate profile is lower than what we're really hoping for. His highlight film is incredible, but the low lights are really, really bad. The lights off. You just turn the lights off. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:37 And I mean, I get it. Like, I have Coleman. I'm really excited for the location. It's, you know, that and the Kansas City Chiefs were kind of that's the two big spots easily but it just in a yeah it's Josh Allen versus New England but that's just my point of Jalen Polk was four picks after this guy and he goes in the third round so it's just that that whole certainty thing about about players outcomes is is in is interesting josh allen before the draft texted him you're the guy that i wanted and they went out and got him they did not work as well for
Starting point is 00:31:10 the clyde edgers allaire patrick mahomes situation yeah yeah but uh quarterback gms yeah that's what you need so i i'm excited to see what happens there you know when you look at trying to project a breakout season from khalil shakir orir or Curtis Samuel. I think those guys are negatively impacted, obviously, because targets are going to go to the player you invested your first pick in the draft on. Not concerned at all about Dalton Kincaid. And to be clear, I was projecting him as the leader in the wide receiver. Gotcha.
Starting point is 00:31:40 Because I agree with you. I think I have Kincaid's yardage a little bit higher. We'll see because he was not a separator. So we'll see if he can – Yeah, yeah. Keon Coleman was not a separator. Yeah, he's bigger than you, though. Neither was Allen Robinson.
Starting point is 00:31:53 That's who he – that's what the profile – No, Robinson as a younger guy was a separator. He was – Robinson's – his premier years and several – I mean, there's other receivers like that. I think Mike Evans is one of them. And their premier years, fantasy production-wise, were not big separation years.
Starting point is 00:32:11 But I'm saying when that is your calling card coming from college, that's what you have. So why did the Bills want him? Because they, why did the Chargers want Quentin Johnston? Because they go after guys in high-level programs. Again, I have Coleman ranked extremely high. I'm just giving the bear case here. I think Coleman develops into a good wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:32:35 I'm a little down on his rookie year production. They also added Ray Davis out of Kentucky, the running back. I really like him. He's old as dirt for a rookie, especially for a rookie running back. 24 and a half years old. That is... What does that make you today, birthday boy? You shut your mouth. I'm not a running back. For a podcaster, he is. I'm young. He's a young man.
Starting point is 00:32:54 Yeah. In its prime. Oh, yeah. I got 40 more years of this in me. But I like Ray Davis. He can catch the ball. He's a thicker back at 216 pounds, 5'10". And there is opportunity here. You know that they don't like using James Cook around the goal line.
Starting point is 00:33:10 And so he's a talented guy. Obviously, James Cook being a little undersized should an injury happen. Ray Davis is a little bit interesting to me. This is a team willing to play Leonard Fournette regularly. Exactly. So Ray Davis will have a shot to rotate in for sure if he wins the job. Any other thoughts on those? Nope.
Starting point is 00:33:29 All right. Let's move on. The Chargers, they spent the pick directly after Keon Coleman on. Oh, Ladma Funky. I have a real hard time not doing an Irish accent with Ladma Funky. You have a hard time doing an Irish accent. That's fair. That's also fair.
Starting point is 00:33:49 That's also true. Ladd-McConkie is a guy that I think all three of us really, really liked. Yeah. Loved the film. He gets open. He's got great hands. He has phenomenal speed. He's not like a real strong run-you-over guy, but the role that Keenan Allen is leaving,
Starting point is 00:34:08 and obviously this is a whole new system. This isn't going to be Kellen Moore or the older days. This is a run-first system. Run-second system as well. And too much of that has been made. They're still going to throw the ball a lot. Ladd McConkie is immediately the best wide receiver on this team, I believe. I think Palmer is fine.
Starting point is 00:34:28 Quentin Johnston, they hope, can develop. But Ladd McConkie is really good. His production wasn't great in college, but his talent was good, and he played for Georgia where he just wasn't needed to produce. Yeah, it's wild. Obviously, we all have the scars of the Quentin Johnston first round, every opportunity on earth situation last year that didn't pan out. But I'm excited for McConkie.
Starting point is 00:34:48 He has a great opportunity as a rookie. They traded up for him. I've been talking about the maybe undervaluing of the Pouncing game here. This is football, okay? You can have a high-T philosophy, and you can bring in offensive linemen, which, by the way, that makes Justin Herbert a winner to me. You're going to protect him. You're going to put him in a position where his health is not going to be a problem.
Starting point is 00:35:11 But you have to throw the football. Like, if I've watched the Chargers, they always have a defense that looks like it's going to be good. They always give up points, and they always have to throw the football. So good situation for McConkie. I know that Coleman and McConkie are probably fairly neck and neck in rookie draft situations, and it's a preferential thing. I like the ceiling passing volume of Buffalo versus the slot opportunity for McConkie.
Starting point is 00:35:41 I just worry a little bit, and I love Ladd McConkie. I just worry a little bit, and I love Ladd-McConkie. I worry a little bit that McConkie could be simultaneously an incredible, valuable San Diego Charger. Wow. Los Angeles Charger and not really fantasy important. I completely agree. Like five or six catches a week,
Starting point is 00:36:00 but it's 60 yards and no touchdown. Yeah, I mean, I've got those fears like Lad mcconkie roman wilson these guys that are just super good wide receivers there are ceiling issues for fantasy football where you wonder can they really develop into a you know a really really valuable fantasy asset or or if he's going to be you know hunter renfro, which I remind you was a top 12 wide receiver. I'd say I'll take a year, a top 12 year. But I'm on the McConkie side over Coleman just because I am more confident
Starting point is 00:36:31 in the talent, but the ceiling is on the Coleman side. All right. Anybody else you want to touch on there? Yeah, they drafted Vidal Sassoon. Yeah, baby. Vidal Sassoon in the sixth round. Kamani, which in his last name, we're still working on it because
Starting point is 00:36:49 watching game film of it, it sounded like the announcers were saying Vidal. Yeah, but with Sassoon. And then the official NFL draft is Vidal. So we'll track this one down, but apparently it's Kamani Vidal Sassoon. Yes.
Starting point is 00:37:06 Yes, it is. And the reason he actually. That is too good. He has to be talked about. Look, a round six running back out of Troy, so out of a smaller school. Like production. It doesn't work. No, what?
Starting point is 00:37:19 I know. I'm just saying. It doesn't usually work. The hair product? The sixth round. No, Vidal Sassoon always works. Okay. His production profile is- Soft, shiny.
Starting point is 00:37:29 Is sensational. And people are like, this is the name, if you have not seen it yet, you will, because he is absolutely getting steamed up because- In the shower. Yeah. Because he's a conditioner and a shampoo. That's right. You leave it in, and your hair is silky smooth for days.
Starting point is 00:37:47 Healthy hair. It makes sense because the contract went to Gus Edwards, who is an older guy. They bring in J.K. Dobbins, who's healing from an Achilles. The depth chart is not outrageously locked in. I don't know. I don't know. I hear from J.K. Dobbins himself that the Achilles is no problem. This is basically an ankle
Starting point is 00:38:14 sprain. It's nothing compared to the knee. He did say that. Yeah, that didn't work. They also drafted Jerry Rice's son in the seventh round. That was nice of them. And, you know, thin depth chart at wide receiver a little bit there, so you never know. Yep.
Starting point is 00:38:30 Moving on, the Denver Broncos. I feel like I need to hand, like, a microphone to Jason because we talked about the Broncos for a long time this morning. Yeah, before you were here, Mike, we had a lot of conversation. Oh, so much jason has become he's gone down the well because let me let me just explain obsession let me just set the table the the broncos spent pick 12 on bo nicks the quarterback they always wanted no matter what of course because he was there because he was there and uh you know Sean Payton last year didn't work with Russell Wilson.
Starting point is 00:39:06 Bo Nix is his new guy. And then Jason had a hard time at the draft. Jason had a hard time because one of his favorite players on the college tape was Troy Franklin. And it was Franklin's bad day. Yes, it was. Because he dropped. Yeah, it was. Because he dropped. Yeah, bad days. Bad days.
Starting point is 00:39:28 And he dropped to the fourth round. He's a wide receiver, 16 off the board, which, woof, compared to where. I mean, some people thought top five. Some people thought first round. It was a tough day for Troy Franklin, obviously. And if you watch, Jason showed me this. There's a nice chat between Bo Nix, his college quarterback, and Troy Franklin. And Troy Franklin said something to the extent of, well, it's okay now.
Starting point is 00:39:55 Like, it was a long wait for him. And so Franklin ends up in Denver with a new quarterback. The wide receiver room is weird. I'm going to throw it out there as weird because Marvin Mims was a much higher pick than Troy Franklin and had opportunity last year. At least we thought he would, and he didn't get it. Cortland Sutton scored a bunch of touchdowns. He's unhappy.
Starting point is 00:40:20 Jerry Judy's no longer there. Tim Patrick's back from injury. And here arrives Troy Franklin, who has a built-in rapport with Bo Nix. Yeah, the reason – so this was a two-step process. Before Franklin went here, you know, on day two, I rewatched Bo Nix, knowing now that he is going to Sean Payton, going to this offense, and I was really impressed. I, you know, when I scouted him the first time,
Starting point is 00:40:51 I focused a lot on all the screen game and all this, but he's a good quarterback. I don't know why, I've heard so many people say he's a day two, day three, like a third round talent. Maybe, but he makes all the throws he threw 45 touchdowns in like three interceptions on the season broke the NCAA record for uh you know uh completion completion percentage and I do think he fits the timing type of system that Peyton wants to play in and I don't think it was a joke that they all they wanted um Bo Nix the whole time Peyton wants to play. And I don't think it was a joke that they wanted Bo Nix the whole time.
Starting point is 00:41:28 Peyton talked about how after Drake May went, they thought, okay, we're safe when the Giants didn't take a quarterback. They thought, hey, let me call the Vikings and the Raiders and tell them, let's just all stay put because we all are going to get our guy until the Falcons select the Pinnocks. And then he's like, oh, no. Now there's a question. They wanted Bo Nix.
Starting point is 00:41:58 He fits their system, so I really like him. And then they drafted Troy Franklin after a a bad fall but this was a second round grade in this house uh they traded up which your house in the broncos facility they peyton said he was he fell two rounds according to their value broncos were lacking picks they were lacking picks they didn't have a third they traded two fourths and a six to move up and get him at the very top of the fourth round so it's like luke mccaffrey was a third. They traded two fourths and a sixth to move up and get him at the very top of the fourth round. So it's like Luke McCaffrey was a third-round pick. Luke McCaffrey was two picks ahead of Troy Franklin, who they spent two extra fourths.
Starting point is 00:42:34 So I don't see this as like, yes, he fell. Yes, he does not inherit great rope from expensive draft capital. That's true. But they did invest invest and the opportunity is there for let me ask you maybe a question we didn't talk about this morning if you believe in Bo Nix and his potential then do you believe in Marvin Mims do you believe in Cortland Sutton because these players have the inside track at opportunity like the A lot of people made a lot of Marvin Mims last year because it was a Peyton guy.
Starting point is 00:43:08 It was one of his first selections ever, and he still chose to hold him back. So now coming into year two, I know there's going to be a lot of talk about Nixon Franklin, but should there be talks about Marvin Mims having an opportunity to maybe be relevant? Yeah, I mean, we're going to see as time goes on how this breaks down. I do think Marvin Mims is part of the plan.
Starting point is 00:43:30 I think he's more of a slot guy. They came out and said, Peyton came out and said, they see Franklin as the Z receiver, which is the off-the-line receiver. That's the guy they're going to be putting in motion. That's great for him. He's going to avoid press coverage because he's a smaller, thinner guy. They're going to utilize his speed, get him in space. Bo Nix is going to find him. Rookie year, I don't
Starting point is 00:43:47 really have Bo Nix doing something great. I statted out the Denver Broncos. I've got him throwing for just over 3,000 yards and only 16 touchdowns. So Cortland Sutton, I don't see as part of the future. I think he's a one and done player this year. That's my guess. Franklin, I do see successful, just not necessarily rookie year Bo Nix I think this is a team building for the future Mike in the fifth round they grabbed a running back Audrick Estime yeah he's he's an interesting running back out of Notre Dame uh it along with all the other running backs you know kind of behind Brooks and Benson it was just this cluster of people had certain running backs hires and Estime was one of the one of the guys that
Starting point is 00:44:27 did fall into the fifth round and it's the the bull case which i'm not overly excited yes i like our rookie draft ended i paid up fab to get estimate on on the roster as a, just in case, where, you know, Javante was the first year off the injury, it was not great. And he is also in the last year of his contract. Samaj P. Ryan was the free agent brought in to kind of help supplement Javante Williams. It didn't go so well for us. He stunk.
Starting point is 00:45:01 It did not go so well for Samaj P. Ryan. And on top of all of that. On top of all of that, Sean Payton always has a running back by committee. I think there's a sliver of hope for if you were on the estimate camp. There's a chance. It's
Starting point is 00:45:18 low probability. They have Julio McLaughlin too. That's a tough name. Alright, moving on. Got to be honest, the last episode of the show put a little more fear in my name pronunciation, if I'm being honest. The Raiders surprised us, grabbed Brock Bowers in the first round, surprised us because they spent a second rounder last year.
Starting point is 00:45:47 Mind you, it wasn't the current coaching staff on Michael Mayer, who's just 22 years old. So quick winner-loser count. We'll put Mayer up as a loser, unfortunately. He would have been in the sleeper category going into the year. Brock Bowers, though, I mean, this is a very special talent. You can go back two years and look at how players were ranked in college football, and Brock Bowers is a top 15 guy two years ago before he had his senior season.
Starting point is 00:46:18 I believe he led Georgia in receiving yards all three years. Kyle, is that correct? I'll let you know. Okay. How do you not know, Georgia boy? Yeah, I feel like Brock Bowers and you. Like you were probably looking at the back of a trading card right now. But incredibly young breakout age, 13 receiving touchdowns as a freshman.
Starting point is 00:46:37 This is the number one situation I think people will make a mistake on. Is letting him fall too far? Yes. make a mistake on is letting him fall too far yes i i i know it sounds crazy but i genuinely think brock bowers will be just fine in in las vegas you take the long view of this guy i think he's going to be totally fine and i'll be a dominator for fantasy and it it might not be this year because it rarely is but give him a couple They'll figure the quarterback situation out a little bit, and Brock Bowers will be 22. And I just – I know people were revolted by it, and our grade was based on best potential destination,
Starting point is 00:47:15 and this was not the best potential destination. Yeah, especially not immediately. But I do think these things will just – they'll work themselves out. I mean, Jason already – Talent works out. Jason already laid out his thoughts on the quarterback play for the Raiders. Yeah. He said that the guy that is
Starting point is 00:47:30 slightly better than Trevor Lawrence is no good. That's correct. He doesn't have a great quarterback situation. He's behind a bunch of other target earners. Certainly in Devontae Adams. He's got tight end competition with a guy who's got a somewhat similar skill set.
Starting point is 00:47:46 So will Brock Bowers be good in the NFL? Yes. Will he be good for fantasy? I think probably not. Not for a while. Michael Mayer is the Dawson Knox to his Kincaid. Sure, he might be, but there's still no Josh Allen. So I will say that for me, I am fine letting Brock Bowers go by me in rookie drafts
Starting point is 00:48:08 while I take high upside wide receivers and the two running backs. Not me. Yeah. Yeah, that's a tough gamble in rookie drafts, philosophically speaking. It is. Because you know that half of those wide receivers are going to fail. I mean, they always do. But then it's like Brock Bowers.
Starting point is 00:48:25 And like 90% of the tight ends. Not, I mean, not 90% of the tight ends? Well, I'm just saying that the ones that, like, when we draft Brock Bowers in the first round, we're hoping we're getting Travis Kelsey. We're not hoping that we get the tight end five or six. That doesn't really help in fantasy. They're not difference makers.
Starting point is 00:48:42 When you get Evan Ingram, Evan Ingram had a great season. Evan Ingram's pretty irrelevant. Like, it doesn't help you in fantasy they're they're not difference makers when you get evan ingram evan ingram had a great season evan ingram's pretty irrelevant like that that it doesn't it doesn't help you in fantasy he really really doesn't um you drafted mark andrews though yeah absolutely like if brock bowers is mark andrews that that pick is worth five of the wide receivers you passed 100 but mark andrews went behind dallas goddard mike kasicki hayden hurst well it's not on brock bowers it's not his fault no i know have happened. It's just you've got to look at the talent of Brock Bowers. My point is the NFL itself is usually not great at getting the tight end position perfect. I agree with that. Yeah, that's awesome.
Starting point is 00:49:16 But he's one of the best in college football history. And the sample size is unfair. It's just not fair. The tight end sample size is so tiny. You've just got to brock bowers be himself man and whether they can allow that the team can set him free like that that's the question zamir white has the last name of white which means he did what rashad white did last year and evade all competition zamir white huge winner i mean at like at this point with all with the guys that are out there
Starting point is 00:49:46 like still roaming the streets looking for a new job kareem hunt yeah dalvin cook i mean there's like is there is there is there is there a player that we are not remembering right now at the top of our head i am trying to find one. Sanders? Barry? Barry Sanders? I thought you were saying Miles. It's like I don't think that there's anyone. There's no one left. Dalvin Cook, Rashad Penny, Cam Akers,
Starting point is 00:50:15 Latavius Murray, Kareem Hunt, Matt Brita, Melvin Gordon, Brandon Bolden. You've gone way too far already. I know and I apologize. How is it not Zemir White this year? It is Zemir White. It is. I will say this.
Starting point is 00:50:28 Right now, if I could trade him on a high, if someone is wanting to pay up for a young guy who could very well have 250 carries and be fantasy relevant this year, I still would because he's – whenever these – you talk about the dead zone running backs that happen every single year. Those are usually guys who have found themselves in a situation of volume, but they aren't necessarily the most talented backs, and those are who usually fail.
Starting point is 00:50:50 I don't know that we know, though. Is Alexander Madison from last year? Yes, a little bit of that, but it's not as – Madison was in the league a lot longer. But Samir White, what year? Are we going into year three or year four for him? It should be three, right? So the point being –
Starting point is 00:51:09 Yeah, year three. So if it's year three, we really don't know if Zemir White is a good player. He's been trapped behind Josh Jacobs, who's been their workhorse guy. As you say, if you just watched Jacobs last year, you definitely think Zemir White's good. And then those final four weeks where it was Samir White time, the dude was a fantasy beast. He was, and I will say that I –
Starting point is 00:51:31 So maybe he is good. Rashad White ended up a beast. I do almost always bet on any running back that is 215 pounds or greater and runs 4'4 or under. Those almost always work. That is exactly what he is, 215 pounds or greater and runs 4'4 or under. Those almost always work. That is exactly what he is, 215 pounds, 4'4. So you are super in my guy? No, I think he will be good.
Starting point is 00:51:51 I'm just saying if I could trade him for long-term value in a dynasty league, I'm open to that. Yeah, I'd be open to that. I don't think people are paying up for Zemir White, though. That's the problem. And if you can trade for – if you can pay like a rental price, knowing that Samir White is probably replaced later. Would you trade Mostert for him in a dynasty?
Starting point is 00:52:11 I would rather have Mostert. I think they're both mostly relevant this year. That's the only kind of deal you're going to get. Yeah. Man, Mostert or Samir? Yeah. That is tough. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:22 Number two running back from last year versus probably one year expiration. We got to move on the chiefs. They drafted a player that Mike likes quite a bit. Take it away. He's just, he's the fastest man alive. He is not alive, but he's the fastest man ever at the NFL combine.
Starting point is 00:52:41 It's Xavier worthy. Or is he one of the egg Xavier's? I think he's Xavier Worthy. Xavier Worthy out of Texas. Vidal Sassoon. This is what you've all signed up for, podcast listeners. But he
Starting point is 00:52:54 went to Kansas City. He weighs 12 pounds. He goes, the Kansas City Chiefs pick 28 overall. The Kansas City Chiefs managed to trade up with their arch nemesis, the Buffalo Bills, and go get the wide receiver, which they really needed wide receiver help. That's such a funny trade because they both needed
Starting point is 00:53:12 Yes. They both had their guys. Yeah. One of them told the other. There's no question. They had to have. Yeah, probably. They both wanted the wide receiver. Like if Kansas City had wanted Keon Coleman, the Bills aren't going to do that deal? I think there is probably a strong chance that they said,
Starting point is 00:53:31 who are you coming up? We won't move unless you tell us who you're coming up for. So there is a good chance of that. It's to Patrick Mahomes. It's a guy with speed. It's a depth chart that needs wide receiver help. I know they signed Hollywood Brown to a one-year deal. Don't really care about that. Rasheed Rice, how long is he suspended?
Starting point is 00:53:49 We have to find out. And to me, this situation is it's easy to comp it to everything that they've done lately. The Chiefs have been terrible at finding wide receivers aside from Rice, who seems to have worked out on the field. But something like MVS, McCall Hardman, to me the worthy pick is not that. McCall Hardman was a full reaction to thinking that they had lost Tyreek Hill to a career-ending off-the-field incident.
Starting point is 00:54:17 You don't see the parallels here? No, I see the parallel. McCall Hardman fell in the second round and had no production. He never hit 700 yards as a collegiate athlete. I'm talking about the team's philosophy. What? You're saying that Rashi Rice might be suspended a few games. By the way, I believe in Xavier Worthy.
Starting point is 00:54:33 I just see very – I mean, they didn't know how much Tyreek Hill they'd have, so they reacted and got another burner. They didn't know how much Rashi Rice they're going to have, so they react and drafted a wide receiver. At that time – The point being, but there's a difference between looking at your player going we're probably not going to have him for four weeks or whatever it is versus what the the feeling of of that time was tyreek is done he will never play another snap for the nfl that's what the feeling that is what it seemed like it
Starting point is 00:55:00 was not a suspension here or there. It was toast. But they chose the guy with the production profile that you said wasn't very good as the replacement for the guy that was going to be gone as their decision. McColl Hardman. Right, they own that. McColl Hardman was, he's fast. That's all we have in McColl Hardman, and we're going to hope that it works. Whereas Xavier Worthy has an actual production profile,
Starting point is 00:55:23 broke out as a freshman, and then was a good player throughout his career. So the parallels of the situation are definitely there, but I see enough variables on the side of Worthy that I think that this time it will work. Where are you at with him, Jay? Yeah, I like the pick. I believe that he is actually a good route runner and a good wide receiver, not just fast. And so you put that with Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid, I think it will work out.
Starting point is 00:55:52 I liked Rushie Rice last year because I thought he was good, and I said you've got to take each one of these players individually on their own. Sky Moore came from a tiny conference. Nicole Hardman had no production profile and was a huge reach when they grabbed him in the second. Right. I actually like Rushie Rice. I actually like Xavier Worthy, so I'm in on Worthy.
Starting point is 00:56:10 He's my wide receiver four, my fourth player overall in rookie drafts right now. Hollywood Brown, it's a downgrade for his one-year trial there. It's a downgrade, in my opinion, for Rice, just because you know that target distribution is something we've seen as a recipe for the Chiefs. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:26 You know, is rice – like if you love Worthy, it has to come at some expense of rice. Yeah. I think they can both be like wide receiver two type players. And then obviously they still have Watson and Tony and Sky Moore. Do they still have Sky Moore? Here's a funny fact. In the last decade, there's only been four wide receivers drafted in the first round
Starting point is 00:56:51 under 180 pounds. Half of them now play for the Chiefs. Yeah, I mean, he's 165 pounds. Like, he does not profile to be... I mean, we'll see. We'll see. I don't want to argue about him. Tennessee, 6-11. Last season, they go see. We'll see. I don't want to argue about them. Tennessee, 6-11.
Starting point is 00:57:05 Last season, they go tackle with their first pick, and they don't dance around with quarterbacks. They've got a wide receiver room that's filled, and this is a really quick one we can breeze through. But Will Levis, it's a pat on the butt saying, we're going to give you a year to be the guy. Yeah, they've given him offensive line help, wide receiver help in the free agency period, and he's...
Starting point is 00:57:28 I think I'm going to be surprised how high he is in my rankings. I don't want to say that out loud. Nor should you. The Colts, they spent a second rounder on Adonai Mitchell. Mitchell slipped a little bit in this draft as well, but of all the teams he was in the midst of, I was pretty happy with the destination attached to a big time quarterback and Anthony Richardson with Michael Pittman on the other side of the field and a depth chart that is not intimidating Josh Downs, Alec Pierce.
Starting point is 00:57:59 So, you know, for a guy that ran a four, three 40, who I really liked, I liked him more. I think he's a more complete receiver in my opinion than Xavier worthy. And-40 who I really liked. I liked him more. I think he's a more complete receiver, in my opinion, than Xavier Worthy, and so I really liked him. I think that the spot in the draft capital is fantastic for him. So, yeah, I think he can succeed. I like the fact that he doesn't have to go be an alpha for his team right away or the alpha for the next few years
Starting point is 00:58:27 as Michael Pittman has secured the bag. Just be part of a great offense that we want pieces of. So I do. I like the spot too. It's good for Anthony Richardson. It's great for Anthony Richardson, a big-bodied guy who can get touchdowns. This is a player who I know I've spoken down of, but I've spoken down of, but I've spoken down
Starting point is 00:58:45 of him by comparison to his first round hype. He's still a good wide receiver and he's going to immediately take over the Alec Pierce role. If you compare Alec Pierce to Adonai Mitchell, there's no comparison. Adonai Mitchell is a much better wide receiver, much better prospect than Alec Pierce. So he'll be on the field. He'll be catching bombs. I love the spot for him. The only downside to me is that there were some destinations he could go to where he could try to be the one. That's not happening with Michael Pittman there. The three-year $70 million, he's going to be the complement to the incumbent.
Starting point is 00:59:18 I agree with that, although I do look at Pittman more like Keenan Allen on an offense, where at least you're not – it's not Jamar Chase. Pittman is much more Keenan. Keenan Allen, Mike Williams kind of situation could very well be this. Jacksonville, they spent their first-round draft pick on. Brian Thomas Jr., wide receiver out of LSU. Their offseason, they lost Calvin Ridley. They bring in Brian Thomas Jr. and Gabe Davis 17 touchdowns led
Starting point is 00:59:47 the NCAA last year I loved everything I saw in film from Brian Thomas in the shadow of Malik neighbors there at LSU this situation I think we talked a little bit about it when we were doing the draft special just the fact that Trevor Lawrence at this stage of his career is woefully inconsistent. He is not a player that like when he goes bad, he goes bad, bad, bad.
Starting point is 01:00:09 And I think he's a D in our consistency charts. And so that part is concerning as a rookie year opportunity. Calvin Ridley had big games. I think Brian Thomas will have big games in this offense. He, he has a skill set that compliments a Christian Kirk. And I think he will have huge opportunities to go out there and make big plays. But one week it's going to be a Gabe Davis touchdown.
Starting point is 01:00:29 Another week it'll be Christian Kirk's day. Another week Lawrence will be off. And then Brian Thomas slots in every fourth week. And that's concerning as a rookie. And Brian Thomas, super exceptional athlete. Not like, you know, all these guys are great athletes. He is better than the other ones. He's a little bit more raw as a prospect to me.
Starting point is 01:00:50 He only had one year of great production, but he lands in a perfect situation where you got a 27-year-old Christian Kirk who's a slot guy. And so unlike the Michael Pittman style, you could see him develop and grow into becoming the wide receiver one for Trevor Lawrence. There is this, there's a situation where, you know, when Jefferson came into Minnesota
Starting point is 01:01:12 and you had Thielen and you had KJ Osborne and you just muddy the water, but then the best talent shows itself in about 10 seconds. Like this is a group that that could happen, in my opinion. Well, Gabe Davis is there though like i said yes it's it's a great spot um so gabe the babe takes a hit if you were going to take your shot on him again jason and then zay jones took the biggest hit he was released because of the rook and it's good for trevor lawrence to get another thanks to the rookies super big talent back and And I threw Travis Etienne as a winner because
Starting point is 01:01:47 talk to talk, walk to walk, they did nothing, and it's going to be the same depth chart, which means you're counting on Tank Bigsby to take a leap. It's hard to do it. Tanks don't leap. Tanks just roll. Yeah, so it's Travis Etienne's back
Starting point is 01:02:03 field. I'm kind of um excited about him houston are we done talking about houston i mean they spent a fourth round pick on kade stover talented guy he was he was the tight end um the the former tight end of cj stroud so that's a little exciting but there's a three-year deal for Dalton Schultz, so pretty irrelevant. They focused elsewhere because they've done their offense this – they got Diggs in this trade or in this draft. Essentially, they used draft capital to grab Diggs. All right, Mike, Cincinnati.
Starting point is 01:02:38 Jermaine Burton arrives in the third round. Out of Alabama, really, really talented athlete. This was an obvious target for Cincinnati. out of Alabama, really, really talented athlete. This was an obvious target for Cincinnati. They went after him. No more Tyler Boyd. T. Higgins is on a franchise. Yeah, it's like the last day of his Airbnb there.
Starting point is 01:02:57 Yes. And so, you know, this is good news for Joe Burrow having another weapon. It is. We've had injuries for both Chase and Higgins. And Burton, at least last year, was a downfield guy with an average depth of target over 20 yards. That's where the ball would find him on the field. That is outrageous. Now, his targets per route run lower than we would like,
Starting point is 01:03:21 but he is a third-round pick who a lot of draft whispers, I should say. I don't know these because I don't know Jermaine Burton, and I don't know the situation, but evaluating his talent, saying he is one of the better wide receivers in the draft, but he has some sounds like attitude off the field situations that teams were wrestling with. Where did Pickens go last year or two years ago?
Starting point is 01:03:47 Second round. Okay. I just remember he dropped in a similar situation. It could be something like that, at least what they're saying out there. But I think it's a huge upgrade for Joe Burrow this year. And then just drafting him in Dynasty, waiting for T. Higgins to be gone, Burton should – if the Bengals are hit on their draft pick, Burton will slide in as the wide receiver two for Joe Burrow starting next season.
Starting point is 01:04:16 And that's a very exciting guy to have on your roster. And you don't really have to wait for T. Higgins to be gone. Tyler Boyd was very involved in this offense and Tyler Boyd's gone so he's got a little bit of opportunity rookie year he's tied to a great quarterback uh Jermaine Burton with day two draft capital and a leaving T Higgins it's a great rookie pick for upside if you're you know dynasty diving for uh Andre Yoshivas or Charlie Jones or Trenton Irwin uh it gets muddy now at the bottom of that depth chart. Fantasy winners?
Starting point is 01:04:47 Fantasy winners, certainly Zach Moss, Chase Brown. They didn't address the running back position. Zach Moss, I think, is going to have a fantastic season. I would also throw out Eric Aul. It's a name that you need to know at tight end round four, only because he's from Iowa, Because Iowa tight ends always work. Okay. I mean, that's...
Starting point is 01:05:10 Zach Moss versus Zemir White. I'll take Zach Moss. Ooh, that's tough. Hold on. Yeah, I'll take the offense. Just cut that clip out. I'll take Zach Moss. He's always been a big Zach Moss out. I'll take Zach Moss.
Starting point is 01:05:26 Yeah. Lifelong Zach Moss fan. Pittsburgh. They said, we think our quarterback might perform better and our running backs might perform better if we protected them and blocked for them. First round pick on an offensive lineman. Second round pick on a center.
Starting point is 01:05:40 Third round pick on Roman Wilson, uh, who I adore. Wide receiver out of Michigan. He's so good. He's just solid. It's perfect on the other, you know, when you have George Pickens, who is, you know, big plays and flashy plays.
Starting point is 01:05:57 Roman Wilson's like, go to work and just get it done. Yeah. You know, Heinz Ward-esque. I mean. Very similar. So big news for whoever plays quarterback. You're going to be in a better situation, another wide receiver on the roster.
Starting point is 01:06:13 And it's hard to ignore the shine that the Steelers have had when they're drafting wide receivers. Yes, there are misses in there, but there are just so many hits compared to what other teams have been able to do in the draft. So when the Steelers take a guy in day two, your antenna better go up. It's pretty much a sure thing. Not to be a star. I didn't want to say it, but it's pretty much a sure thing.
Starting point is 01:06:41 They are very good at getting. Unless it's Martavis. Yeah, I mean, Martavis was great. It wasn't really their fault. It sort of was. Chase Claypool absolutely vanished. But Chase Claypool as a rookie, pretty good for the Steelers. Cleveland.
Starting point is 01:07:00 We don't have a lot to talk about here, but I'll focus on the fact they didn't bring in more running back names. So Jerome Ford and Deontay Foreman will be sharing the load ahead of the return of Nick Chubb, who worked a redone deal. They basically sent their picks away to get Jerry Judy. So let's not forget that Jerry Judy and Amari Cooper are the wide receiver room, fifth rounder on Jamari Thrash. And it's a pretty boring draft. and Amari Cooper are the wide receiver room, fifth rounder on Jamari Thrash.
Starting point is 01:07:26 It's a pretty boring draft. If Jamari Thrash doesn't skateboard, I will be devastated. That would be hard on you. I can see that. And Jerry Judy, if you ever wanted to really believe in him, you put him next to Elijah Moore. So I think he is a superior wide receiver to Elijah Moore. Not good. Elijah Moore. Not good.
Starting point is 01:07:46 Elijah Moore. Hmm. More like less. Oh, yeah, you got him. It's unfortunate. I forget the numbers, but I was statting them out recently, and I just was blown away by Elijah Moore's combination of average depth of target and catch percentage. It's like, usually those things are completely like
Starting point is 01:08:04 the shorter the average depth of target, the higher catch percentage and you're really impressed no this was like he gets no average depth of target and also catches nothing every time you target him they take a little money out of your bank account it's just it's like wow gross yeah he had a 57 catch percentage but at least it was super close to the line of scrimmage. 104 targets. Caught 59 of them, and it was 10.8 a catch. Yeah, gross. That's wild. All right, Baltimore spent a fourth-round draft pick on Devontae's Walker out of North Carolina.
Starting point is 01:08:36 You know, there are worse places for a wide receiver to have landed. I am not very excited. I like him I I always thought this entire draft process that he was like a poor man's Adonai Mitchell he is 6'2 runs 4'3 6' he's he's I think pretty good but he goes to a great spot where they lost Odell Beckham and yeah that's true and so he you know he's going to be able to streak down the field and have a bomb from Lamar Jackson, and hopefully he can hit Devontae Walker better than he can hit Rashad Bateman.
Starting point is 01:09:12 Who signed an extension? So does it cause you to downgrade Flowers or Bateman? No, I don't think so. I think they needed someone to replace Odell Beckham, and it's going to be... Who else do they have? Aguilar is there. Yeah, it's Aguilar and Devontae Walker for that third spot. And what is the running back depth chart
Starting point is 01:09:33 now? Derrick Henry, Keaton Mitchell. Yes. Keaton Mitchell is coming back off of a pretty devastating injury, and it's injustice still. No, you are not wrong that Rasheed Ali out of Marshall, who also he had a year where he got hurt. Fifth round drop pick.
Starting point is 01:09:54 But yeah, so running back. He has two years of just monstrous production. And he is an interesting player. It would not be shocking for him to be the true backup for Henry when the season starts while Mitchell is healing up. Isn't there somebody else on that depth chart? Justice Hill? I know somebody else.
Starting point is 01:10:18 I believe Hill has one more year. I thought there was one more guy that they kind of slipped into that. That's it. They have nobody else. Okay. Unless you're thinking of Owen Wright. No. And we just learned that the free agents out there at running back are geriatric.
Starting point is 01:10:34 Yeah. Earlier this offseason, I was not very bullish on Derrick Henry and the workload that I thought he was going to get. And then when I statted them out looking at was like, okay, Derek Henry's going to be the dude. All right, that'll do it for the AFC Winners and Losers episode. Next week, we're doing some mailbag. We're doing some overreaction episode.
Starting point is 01:10:54 The week after that is Dynasty Week. Oh, baby. And speaking of Dynasty, there is a new episode out. A rookie mock draft. So if you want to dig in deeper. With the whole crew. Yeah, well, almost.
Starting point is 01:11:08 The whole dynasty. Yes, okay. I got you. That'll do it for today's show. Thank you for joining us. UltimateDraftKit.com if you want access to the Dynasty Pass right now today. We'll catch you on the next episode. Goodbye.
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