Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Players to Forgive + Dynasty Debates, Offseason Magic - Fantasy Football Podcast for 2/22

Episode Date: February 22, 2024

Who should be given a second chance in 2024? On today’s fantasy football podcast, Andy, Mike, and Jason pick players they are willing to forgive! Plus, UNforgivable players, NFL News, Dynasty debates, and listener questions answered! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for February 22nd, 2024. Get the lowest price on the 2024 UDK at UltimateDraftKit.com - Order before March 1st for an entry to win a Listener League Spot! Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on Twitter Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome in. Mike Wright, Jason Moore, Andy Holloway, the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Thursday edition. Sitting here at the end of February. Is this one of them leap years? I haven't really looked at a calendar in a while. I believe so. So we get a bonus day? Yeah, the 29th.

That means that's one- It is a leap year. It's one more day before I have to have my own birthday, right? Oh, yeah. Which birthday? The one after 39. Yes, join us. So I get an extra day of us one of us yes you know what a loser when you guys were going through you know your aging um you know it was

easy to make fun of you because you're older yeah old really Old, really. And all the while, I'm thinking, you know, when I get there, what's the big deal? Yeah. I'm feeling that way anymore. Oh, no. You're looking it down. He can smell it. He can taste it.

Oh, yeah, baby. I'm getting out. It's like the time now where people are looking at me a little different. They know. Oh, yeah. Just the people on the street. They know something's coming. Like, that guy is so close. A lot of people are just ignoring you.

Yeah. It's like you just don't even exist. Different magazines coming in the mail for different things, you know? Medical devices, you know? But now that I know that it's a leap year, I get an extra day to wait to put it off. Thank you. Yeah. There's not a chance they add, like like another 365 to the end of february i'll look into it thank you that'd be helpful um

welcome in we've got a fun show today i we're going to get to the quick question which is a question about forgiveness and i'm going to tell you right now i'm not going to forgive mike for his pick in that segment. The one that we haven't done yet? Yeah, in the segment you haven't done. It's a tease. That's fine. I'm not going to forgive you for who you're going to forgive.

That's fine. Just saying. UltimateDraftKid.com, head over there. Order by March 1st. Get a chance to win a Listener League spot. Tell you what, Leap Year has done for the people. He wants people out of that UDK. Go on, Mike.

I want them into the UDK. And the slackers, the people who are putting things off, I'll do it tomorrow. Well, you get one extra day. You get one extra day to get into the UDK before March 1st. Because if you do, you could win a spot in our

listener league. But you gotta get in before March 1st, and then of course, you get all the goodness of the UDK when it releases, or the greatness of the Dynasty Pass right now. UltimateDraftKid.com Thank you, Mike. That was solid. I shouldn't have doubted you.

You saw my name, and you're just all hot and bothered and mad. You know, I was a little distracted because I saw that, like, there's this news that broke about Amazon Prime Video, where we've seen Amazon hosting several Thursday night football games. That's where the home of Thursday night football is. Might say all of them. Yeah. You might.

Several. Probably like 18 or them. Yeah. You might. Several, probably like 18 or 17. Yeah, I mean, I didn't know for sure. They didn't host Thanksgiving, did they? Yeah, they did. They had a Thanksgiving game. Oh, man, that backfired. They really said that with a punch.

But they're going to host their first NFL playoff game after the 2024 season next year. And it costs – see, I thought maybe we could host one. You know what I mean? Based on what it costs, I'm going to back out. I'm going to check my wallet. I think I got a couple Twinskis in there. I can chip in. It's going to be $120 million.

I don't know if we could go fund me that. I don't know if the Foot Clan can come up with $120 million. But Amazon's going to do it. That's a lot of quiche. The streaming continues. One game, huh? Just one game.

Imagine spending it on a game and you don't know who's playing, right? Correct. You're not out there. There's not like an eBay of these games where they're like, oh, the Chiefs-Eagles matchup this year. It doesn't matter. It does not matter. It's a playoff game.

But you've got to be rooting for something. Of course, but every single playoff game gets massive viewership. They're going to make money on this $120 million deal with ad revenue. Yeah. Apparently, they passed last year, and that's why Peacock got the playoff game. Which was behind a paywall. Yeah. Which I guess Prime is too.

Prime is on a paywall. So Mr. Bezos said, not this time. Watch this. It is funny because I don't consider Prime behind a paywall. Because the entire world has Amazon Prime, it feels like. Yeah, if you get to a certain point where a certain percentage of people all have it, it doesn't feel like it's behind a paywall. Right.

But there are people that don't have Prime, right? Of course. Yeah, there's got to be. Okay. That's true. That's why I didn't make that assumption. If everyone has it, why would you advertise ever? That's fair.

There's still new people out there. They all will by this playoff game. All right. Follow us on X at the FF Ballers. Here's your quick question. Maybe I can find some forgiveness for Mike within it. The question is, who is a player you are willing to forgive in 2024? So somebody that did something last year, they had a performance that you were,

look, it wasn't great. It was a bad time. Maybe it let you down because you talked all about them. Well, I'll hop in here just to make us wait longer for Mike's unforgivable, unforgivable take. According to Andy, for me, it's Ramondre Stevenson. I mean, a terrible year. Just really, really, really disappointing. If you drafted him, you got off to a bad start.

Those first five weeks were just he was meh or bad the first month plus of the season. The end of the season, if you had traded for him, as I did in one of our leagues, well, he didn't play. He missed the last month of the season with injury. I don't believe he would have necessarily missed the— the Patriots at that point had kind of turned it in, folded up shop, shut down early because they were going for that top draft pick by that point in time. But I don't think it was as bad as it felt in the middle of the season, even with a terrible, terrible, awful Patriots team

and an offense that was completely inept. He had a six-game stretch there where it was like the guy that you were hopeful in coming into the season, you know, on pace for 1,500 all-purpose yards, 70 receptions. And he is in the last year of his rookie deal. So he's a done deal. He's going to be their main starting running back. I don't believe they will go and this season aim to usurp him. They might add to him because obviously Ezekiel Elliott now is a free agent. I doubt they bring him back. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't.

But he was there when Ramondre was still good. And you've got Alex Van Pelt coming in, their new offensive coordinator coming over from Cleveland. A good, very running back friendly scheme. So I think Romandre's fine. So you forgive him? I forgive him. Players have bad seasons. Players deal with injuries.

He was not bad. He was in a bad situation. I think it would be good if we each said whether we would also forgive the player you bring up. And, you know, this was a dumpster fire of a team. The one thing I'll say is there will be a variable of, like, you know, new head coach, right, Jared Mayo. And, you know, sometimes you have favorites and stuff like that. But Ramondre said he wants to be the bell cow. His situation last year felt like you were like, oh, Michael Carter's going to take some carries from Brees Hall,

like we said a couple years ago. That didn't happen. And then this one was like, oh, Zeke could take some carries from Ramondre, and it kind of happened. A little bit, but it did. But I'll forgive him. You will. I will forgive Ramondre Stevenson. Mike, do you forgive him?

Yeah. Oh, I do. He can show out as a pass catcher. I mean, when he was given the opportunity, he came through for you. And it's just the team was so bad last year. All right, Mike. No, no, no. We're saving it.

I was going to say, hold it because, Andy, you're up. Garrett Wilson is the player that I will forgive from 2024. He had the best, worst season. Jason's face is a little perplexed. I realized I don't forgive Andy for this take. Oh! Oh, get bodied! It's too easy.

Oh. Who isn't forgiving Garrett Wilson? I'm not even mad at him. Here's why. Who's mad at Garrett Wilson? I'm not even mad at him. Who's mad at Garrett Wilson? Apparently Andy. I'll tell you who's mad at Garrett Wilson is everybody that drafted him in the second round last year and got

this performance. He played 18 games and you won none of your weeks because of him. If he was on a winning week for fantasy, it was incidental. It was an accident. It was you saying, well, maybe this will be a week where he gets a bunch of targets. Oh, he did, but it didn't matter. He got a bunch of targets. He had 168 targets and it didn't matter. It's kind of the wide receiver situation that we talked about with

Sam Howe throwing the ball more than everybody in all of football, and it didn't help them have a running back or a wide out do anything. They chucked it Garrett's way a lot, and it didn't matter. I mean, 11 yards per catch, three touchdowns, and it felt like a player that was trying to put the whole team on his back all year but couldn't do it. Like sometimes you just can't. Not everyone's Greg Jennings. It's like you're playing tug of war and it's just you versus

the rest of the NFL on the other side. And he was pulling as hard as he could pull. I can tell you who has forgiven Garrett Wilson. Yeah. Who's that? The best ball community. All of them. Because last year the excitement for Garrett Wilson was Yeah, who is that? The best ball community. All of them. Because last year, the excitement for Garrett Wilson was at a fever pitch when he was the wide receiver 10.

Currently in basketball, the wide receiver 8. The upside for Garrett Wilson is unbelievable. Yes, great player. If you took this season where Garrett Wilson wasson was a disappointment he was 95 for a thousand if he had 10 touchdowns this year he's got a great year and so i think some people see the upside and they say look i'm gonna i'm gonna pay up for garrett wilson's upside with aaron rogers i drafted him at the one two turn in my most recent best of the year. How did you feel about it? I didn't feel – And why don't you forgive me?

Oh, because you said it's too easy. Yeah, yeah. So you forgive him as well. Yeah. Well, kind of like Mike said, I have nothing to forgive. If you drafted him in that spot that you just talked about where he went in best ball, you're coming back and taking him at eight this year?

Yeah. I think a lot of people aren't. Well, the average people are. No, but the average people – You're saying they weren't – 11 lot of people aren't well the average people are but the average people you're saying 11 out of 12 didn't take them last year yeah i i mean i will say that in our main league of record the the you know the one we care about the most i didn't experience the heartbreak and the frustration of having him mike had him for a while and he has him in dynasty yes i did i had him in Dynasty, which at the end of the year was

truly a delight of do I actually play Garrett Wilson in the playoffs? That was a great decision. It was terrible. It was the worst. You couldn't decide whether you wanted to play the wide receiver 59, 43, 30, 67, 43. Yep, that's the one. Alright, so

you both forgive him. Apparently, I took too easy of a route. It's okay. He's a great player. I forgive you now. Can I have a bonus real quick? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little mini bonus.

Patrick Mahomes. Okay. Okay. Will you forgive Patrick Mahomes? Yeah. Yeah, I forgive Patrick Mahomes. But by forgiving, I mean you'll then look at him to be the QB top three quarterback next year. No, no.

If that's what forgiving means, then I don't forgive him. You don't. Yeah, I don't either then. Okay. All right. Glad I went with Wilson. All right, Mike. All right.

All right. It is a player who I still think can be good, so I will forgive him because last year was a total disaster. It was Tony Pollard of the Dallas Cowboys. The excitement, like people were so pumped for Tony Pollard. Zeke is gone. His efficiency metrics have been off the charts, and it was awful. It was truly, truly awful for where you drafted him.

Converted just three of his 16 carries inside the five-yard line. He's going to be a free agent almost 27. But why I'm willing to forgive Tony Pollard is a couple things have come out now where a good friend of the show, Matt Harmon, actually talked to Tony Pollard and was talking about the injury because lost to time is Tony Pollard was coming off of a devastating injury. And unfortunately, because we look at football players as these are modern-day superheroes, gladiators, impervious to pain.

These guys play through things that I can't even imagine going to work with this. And they're out there having 300-pound men try to destroy them. And you forget that Tony Pollard was hurt. And so Harmon was talking to him and said, you know, when did you actually finally feel all right? And he said, the Carolina game, which was week 11. And then on Twitter, Andrew Erickson from Fantasy Pros, he pointed out, and I went and I vetted this, he echoed what Harmon had said of Tony

Pollard, he said he didn't feel great until week 11. Pro Football Focus, their highest graded runner from week 11 till the end of the season was Tony Pollard. So this didn't turn into huge fantasy points. And look, I'm not going to get into the PFF discussion about grading, but just the point being the people watching Pollard's tape said, no, this guy is back. From week 11, he was the running back 15 on. It wasn't like world-changing or draft-saving production,

but in that time period, points per game, he's right along the lines of David Montgomery, Travis Etienne, Devin Singletary, who went on his heater. Those were the guys he was around in points per game. So the point being, I'm willing to forgive if he ends up in another great situation this much further away from the injury recovery. I think that there is still something left for Tony Pollard. I'm not going to boost him up to being what we hoped for last year, but I think he has something to offer. Now, there's a follow-up question here from Tony P. on YouTube. Is it crazy to trade away Tony Pollard for Kendra Miller and the 201?

So what's your level of forgiveness here? Obviously Pollard's a free agent. We don't know where he's going to go. Dynasty is so different because 27 years old is like, that's when I'm, I'm looking to get rid of players at least a year too early. I mean, that's a,

a wild swing for Kendra Miller who will be, he should be a backup at least for this year. Maybe he takes over for Alvin Kamara. Doesn't seem like it. Yeah, it's not likely. It's in the range of outcomes. It's something that could happen in the 201. I don't think it's crazy you would be really trying to get out in front of something.

But so, yeah, I think I might do it. I might do that. Do you forgive Tony Pollard, Jason? It was a compelling case. And given the incoming rookie running backs, I think that the free agents this year will have an easier time than last year. So I'm willing to forgive him. Now, what that means is he needs to go to a good home he needs to get a contract you go out and get a contract i forgive you yeah and i don't know how

he'll do that exactly i have a policy in my life i don't forgive people that have been doubted you know what i mean it's just it's just a family rule. Right. If someone has doubted me, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, that's bad. That's dangerous. That is very dangerous. That is a dangerous thing. You don't want to be Rico. No.

Well, Rico, yeah, you don't want to get Rico laws either. Right. Tony Pollard was so hurt that the team did nothing in the offseason and handed him the ball a billion times for the first 11 weeks. I understand he was better in the second half, but let's not forget the narrative street, the reality of why we liked Dak and Seedy that time of year. The schedule was nice, and the team played well,

and he still couldn't get into the end zone except for one time in that entire stretch of games. Well, no, not in the second half. Yeah, in the second half he scored one rushing touchdown, right? No, in the second half. Oh, okay. The half he scored one rushing touchdown, right? No, in the second half. Oh, okay. The second half from week 11 on is where actually four of his six rushing touchdowns happened.

Yeah. And the numbers, honestly, for him weren't outrageously better. The reason I won't forget him, though, is because he's going to switch teams. He's getting older. And last season's situation should have been pinnacle opportunity for him. So trust. How can I forgive and trust a player that's done this? If he's back with the Cowboys, that would be, I guess, the best scenario.

But if he's back with the Cowboys, do you forgive him? No. Okay. No. No, because he was in the top three most detrimental fantasy selections that you can make, and I don't have a reason to forgive him. You know what I mean? We need Garrett Wilson to deliver, right?

Yeah, and you have a reason with Aaron Rodgers not being maybe hurt, maybe not hurt. He was gone. Everything else in the Cowboys stayed the same, right? The same head coach in an offensive situation other than defensive coordinator. So this is a coach that has like, they're like, I'm going to

dowdle down at the goal line. You know what I mean? So he's probably going to be like, I'm going to do something else around the goal line. And I think that a lot of the community will feel the same way. And that's why you're going to be in. I may scoop up a value. This is really interesting because I find myself right on the border of forgiveness or unforgiveness. Did the Dowdle comment make any sense?

It put some Dowdles in my mind. Oh. Oh. Yeah, baby. Busted. I want to pull Deuce's alley on Pollard. Jason, Jason. Yeah, give it to me.

I had a note here. I remember it. Yeah, you made fun of, Jason. Yeah, give it to me. I had a note here. I remember it. Yeah, you made fun of my jokes. Yeah, because it was bad. Bad. And I made a note to point out your jokes to you. Give it to me. You just made a dowdle into a doubt-all joke.

Yeah, baby! Oh, yeah! Oh, baby, the people love it. I'm just checking in. I'll check in from time to time. Thank you for checking in. See how you feel about them. I want to check in with Deucer's Alley.

That's when their podcast began to decline. On the Pollard forgiveness or unforgiveness. Who are you checking on? With Deucer's Alley. I want to check with the producers because right now they are the people that I could talk to. So what? You want to make a rate? Forgiveness or unforgiveness on Tony Pollard based on these conversations?

We'll start with Al. I'm not ready to forgive. Okay. Okay. Unforgiveness. Okay. A hard man. I know Brooks.

I know Brooks. I'll forgive him. Yeah. Yeah. All right. He's got hope and love. The Rapscallion is breaking the tie here. Oh, crap.

I'm with Al. I'm not going to forgive him. All right. There you go. And also, Mike's joke tie here. Oh, crap. I'm with Al. I'm not going to forget him. All right, there you go. And also, Mike's joke was better. Oh, get wrecked. Get it. Get wrecked.

And Jason. Jason is out to sea. He hasn't plugged his headphones. Oh, someone call the police. Jason. Wow. Jason is giving him the police. Jason. Wow. Jason is giving him the business. Wow.

Sorry, Jay. It's true. Hey, you don't have to apologize to nobody. People on YouTube, come rescue me, okay? All right. Tell the truth. Well, you know what? It seems like a good time for a break.

Let's take a break and talk some news. Did you get a chance to kind of settle down, Jay? Yeah. This show is about forgiveness. Yeah. Scali and I forgive you. There you go. News and notes from around the league

well we've got an update from baltimore yeah always the best news to talk about espn's jameson hensley reports the baltimore county police are suspending a domestic assault investigation into zay Flowers without charges. The NFL is still monitoring the situation. The NFL has the right to do their own investigation. Yeah, that's always the takeaway here is, yes, the actual legalities are done. But if the NFL looks into things more and they say you have besmirched the shield, they have the right to step in. Jordan Schultz from Bleacher Report talking about Mike Evans and the Buccaneers,

that they are still far apart on a contract extension. I saw some additional context on this that kind of dismissed the idea of them being without hope to reach an agreement. They seem to think an agreement. They, they seem to think it was still possible, but, uh, we'll find out if Mike Evans returns or if he will find a new home. He is, uh,

officially fantasy football's favorite player to Photoshop into other jerseys this off season. I feel like, cause everyone's like, Oh, Lamar and my homes and Josh Allen. What if they had this guy? So it would be good for them. Uh, and then we have a report that, uh, Lamar and Mahomes and Josh Allen, what if they had this guy?

It would be good for them. And then we have a report that Deshaun Watson, on track in his rehab schedule, will begin throwing in March. So not ahead of schedule. On track. That's not a bad sign. Yeah, that's bad news. Is on track behind schedule? On track is definitely behind schedule.

The only way you're on schedule anymore is to be ahead of it. Yes. To be early is to be on time. So that's a bad report. That's how I'm choosing to read it. Now, March is quite a bit earlier in the season, though. So I think he'll be all right. Justin Fields.

Oh, this is fun fun we always like watching this is where we're at welcome to february this is welcome to the future it really is i mean there's something to be said it doesn't mean it always leads somewhere but let me get to it it does it all always leads to stupidity i'm gonna unfollow you for that. Justin Fields has unfollowed the Bears on Instagram. Oh, no. And has followed apparently guys he wants to play with. Kyle Pitts, Drake London, and Bijan Robinson. You notice they didn't report a quarterback he followed

because he wants to be their quarterback. I say let's get the deal done. I think this makes sense for all parties, and I would love it for, I think, for pretty much all parties, not pits. Nah. I would like it for London. DJ Moore was fine. This is one of those relative situations, right?

Relative to what they have, yes. Yeah. That's all we can go with, I guess. But, I mean, if Justin Fields is a running quarterback. If we can turn Drake London into a top 24 wide receiver, then I'll be happy. Yeah, you're right. I mean, DJ Moore is the example.

He's wide receiver six. Six, yeah. I mean, it was boosted by some real spike games, but those... All right, I'm in. I'm in. It's better than nothing. It's better than nothing, and it's better than where things are going. They really had nothing last year. So, yeah, we'll find

out if... Did Justin Fields have a conversation with someone in Chicago, and they disclosed he's probably not going to be there? Who monitors social media this close? Are there bots that just alert teams of people when follows and unfollows happen within NFL players? It always blows my mind.

There are bots. They are called interns. I was going to say it's called Reddit. Those are the bots. You think the Redditors aren't on top of this? It is, you know, it's hard because this is the time of year when everyone's getting interviewed. So you don't know, like Justin Fields responded to,

Justin Fields responded to like, you know, did somebody from the Bears say something in the media that made it seem like they weren't interested in him? Is it, you know, you saw an interview with DJ Moore. DJ Moore wants him back. Maybe the Bears account just sucks. Have we thought about this? Oh, like bad content.

Yeah. It's a bad follow. He's like, my follows are worth a lot, and I'm not going to waste my time, Bears social media. Get it together. There was a time last offseason that Kyler Murray didn't have a lot of Cardinals on his social media. Do you remember?

Yes. Yep. Who does he play for? The Arizona Cardinals. All right. That'll do it for the news and notes today. Let's jump into the mailbag. Mailbag.

Mailbag. All right. Lots of questions from the people. If you have one yourself, you can go to the website, thefantasyfootballers.com. Click the submit a question button or dial our voicemail hotline, 302-464-TFFB. Let's start with the voicemail. Hey, Ballers.

Commissioner here. I wanted to ask about the IR spot. Why not just add another roster spot? All I hear you guys do is complain about how the IR spot isn't that great, especially because they don't designate people out on time. So why not just add the other spot? I'm not saying you're wrong. I just want to hear the other side. Thank you. I mean, I think people, you can add as many bench spots as you want. People will still ask for an IR spot because if you add

another bench spot that is 12 times 3, right, 36 additional players that would be available on the free agent pool, that won't be because you don't leave a spot blank and you're not waiting for an injury. So you go out there and you will have 36 additional players taken away from, you know, teams that need to pivot and sign somebody. I like a bench size that forces managers to have enough room to hold some players, but not so much room that they don't have to make tough decisions. And not so many players that the waiver wires bear and boring. You want to fight on the waiver wire, right?

You want to have that competition every time that the waiver day comes around where it's like, who got this guy? Otherwise, it's a dynasty league or that feel where waivers are pretty much. That's a lot of players, 36 additional players. You want people to be making choices about who they're playing that week and letting guys go into the free agent pool that might be nice holds because then other people can speculate a lot of speculation on the waiver wire is fun and entertaining yeah and to speak to the complaining about ir that is for

fun and entertainment i mean no i appreciate it j. Thank you. It's the truth. We complain about a lot of stuff in fantasy that grinds our gears. If we fix it, what are we going to complain about? We have nothing to talk about. We'll find something else to complain about, but it's like a sign of respect and love that we're so frustrated that this guy's not marked out yet. It's fun. That's why we mostly choose things that can't be changed to complain about. Right.

Because we want to back ourselves into a nice corner there. And while one of us, when you have the player in the IR, you are the one who is complaining, the other people are enjoying it so much. Oh, it's a lot of fun. When I know that my opponent is now hamstrung because of the player who's in the IR and they can't make a move. I'm happy about it. Every morning that Mike posts, why won't they take this guy

out of the IR? He's complaining. I'm going, you're grabbing the popcorn bucket, sitting back, having a good time. I hope they take longer to move. Yeah, so it's just part of the game. Yeah, just not the dune popcorn. All right, we have a couple of...

Oh, man. Move it along. We have a couple of Brees Hall questions. Let's toss that right in there. Move along. Sina says, Brees Hall or Jamar Chase in a one-keeper league? Is one-keeper league? One-keeper league. Okay, so this is basically a redraft.

I will shock you to say I think it's pretty darn close. Oh, I think it is exceptionally close. I will – if this was a startup, I'm going to take Chase over Brees. No, this is just a redraft. No, no, no. Yes, I said startup as in dynasty, but I meant no, no. But that's what I'm saying. Yes, I said start up as in dynasty, but I meant just basically redraft. That's how I'm viewing it.

Just a normal draft. I would take chase ahead of them. Me too. It's close, but that's how I lean. That's really tough. I really, really like Brees Hall this year. Like running back two. Yeah, Brees Hall can be...

Just like I've always said. This is the game. One of my guys. If everything goes right, of course. But if Aaron Rodgers is healthy and they make any sort of adjustments, improvements to the offensive line, Brees Hall can be an almost CMC-level impact to your fantasy lineup

because he catches so many passes. You can have two players in one spot. I think I would gamble. I think I'd gamble with Brees Hall. How could they not improve that offensive line? Because sometimes J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets. They didn't improve it this year. If they got rid of – like if they played with four, it's got to be better.

It's got to be. I just don't know how it could be as bad as what they were last year. Honestly, the fact that things go wrong for the Jets factors into the tie for me. You're just betting on history. I'm just betting on history, yeah. The follow-up question is Reese Hall, the new dynasty RB one, if not,

then who, uh, he is not for me. It's Bijon for me. It's Bijon for me. I have Jameer Gibbs at one. Ooh, Jameer Gibbs is number two for me,

but I, I mean, I look, I can't, if you could program them to scramble every day, that's fine too. I mean, all those guys are right in the mix.

So Brees is a great one. There is an article exclusive to the Dynasty Pass right now. It's a great article. Great article. It's called The Dynasty Life Cycle of Running Backs. Yeah, Big Marv put that. He's done tremendous work for us for years. And we said, let's get some

uh let's get some exclusive stuff into the into the dino pass man he said yeah you want to talk about life cycles of running backs we said yeah and he did and the other positions will be coming out uh as well all right uh instagram question trading draft picks and redraft. Yes. Yay or nay? Sorry, Mike. That is not one of the answers he would like. Oh, yeah. Yay. Yay. Yay. Okay.

What? All right. I know where we're going. We need a drop that's like Mike analyzes the English language. Begin. What? Why were we doing that? When you vote, I want yay or nay and it's like

here's but here's the bigger problem one is silly because yay is now a word that means like yay like fun but they rhyme know what i mean right yes and no it's the same vowel sound and they're yes and no. You are not mixing those up. You could get yay or nay. Yay. Was that a yay or was that a nay? Yay.

It's a little easier to be loud with the word yay. Yeah, you can't be very loud with yes. You can't be as loud with yes. But you can really. Are you cool with that as an answer? I accept that. The answer. So they both come from the old English. Yeah, old busted English.

But it does appear that the reason that you vote with yay or nay is because it rhymes. And it sounds great. It does sound great. They wanted that? They want the confusion. They want to be able to say yay or nay. That just flows, you know? And then at the end they go the these are the decision

makers the yeas have it yeah you know what i mean yeah as opposed to the yeses yeah the yeses have it yeses have it yeah mike come on sorry grow up mike old english wins again the vote passes i mean what's wrong with that what you know what? It doesn't rhyme. Thank you. Thank you, Andy. All right, Instagram question. Sam wants to know what our favorite type of league to play in is, redraft, keeper, or dynasty. I am in the keeper camp.

I am in the keeper camp as well. I am a keeper as well. Which is ironic because I think it is the least common. It's the minority of those three. It's easier to find a redraft league and easier to find a dynasty league. Keepers, though, are to me the absolute chef's kiss of a combination where you get year-round play, you get off-season magic, and yet the waiver wire, the draft day is—

Yeah, you preserve the draft, but you still have players. Yeah, it's wonderful. Part of that might be because keeper formats are all over the map. Some people keep one or three or five. Yeah, there's not like a universal sign up for a keeper league and everyone's playing the same format. Maybe like our League of Record format should be called what a keeper league is.

That can just become the Coca-Cola of formats. We should just talk to Sleeper and be like, hey, make our league the default keeper league. Well, I vote yay. Yay. Okay. Oh, man. All right, quick break.

At least it rhymed. Another quick break. Back with some more questions. This question comes from YouTube. Kyle Reeder wants to know, is Javante Williams going to get back into the conversation of RB1 territory after a year of recovery, or did McLaughlin do enough

to split that backfield? Javante Williams is entering the final year of his rookie contract. He is not yet 24 years old he had three rushing touchdowns on 217 attempts most people think russell wilson will be gone i i am part of most people but i will say no i don't think so so you're not gonna forgive giovante williams no i you know i don't feel like he's in need of forgiveness necessarily because he's never done it. I mean, he's had spurts and games in the past, then he got injured.

I'm not – you know, you don't have to forgive a guy for getting hurt. And then he didn't deliver this year, but that's not a – I need to forgive players that have a standard they've set and then they don't meet it. And to me, Javante just didn't look good. mean to me he just didn't look that good he looked fine I don't think he looked fine I think he looked pretty poor um the question is going to be obviously he he came back and surprised everyone with his timeline for getting back from a horrific knee injury wasn't a straight ACL it was one that you just did not think he'd be able to get back in time for the start of the season. We assumed he'd start on the pup and then get back slowly, maybe by the end of the season, start showing up. Instead, he got out week one. He got out to preseason games and played in the preseason, shocking the fantasy world. And I think maybe that makes us forget that that usual timeline on recovery

from that injury, you know, is really the next year where you come back to form. And there is a world that exists where he is back to his old self. I think because of the contract situation and the draft capital and the roster needs of the Broncos, there is a good chance Javante enters the season with a similar depth chart and gets a lot of opportunity. He's like Romandre, right? Same year? Yeah, yeah. So it's one of those where you get to see, was it the injury or was he not that dude? And it's so hard to watch how he played last year and say, well, it's going to totally change. It was all the injury.

He's going to be great this year. Very difficult to have that, but I do think it's worth the intellectual exercise of remembering that specific injury and the normal expectations for it. This isn't revisionist history or after the season finding out that, oh, he was hurt more than we thought. This was like we knew he was supposed to be bad this year. It just he was. He's going to have a wide range of outcomes because McLaughlin is a player that the current regime opted for, right?

Sure. Go ahead, Mike. So what's hard about evaluating Javante is, like, we have Brees Hall. Okay, Brees Hall tore his ACL. He comes back. I can't recall. I think Brees might have been a relatively easier injury to come back for. But Brees Hall was

not himself over the first half of the season or so. But eventually you started to, and he was like inefficiency on the ground, but eventually you saw oh yeah, I can see. Vintage. I can see Brees Hall. I can see the guy that we all fell in love with.

And Javante to me just never had that game at any point in the season where I said, oh, that's Javante. That's the guy who was drafted in the second round. I was regularly impressed by McLaughlin. Oh, yeah. I mean, he was lined with – More electric. Yes.

Yeah, and that's – so the fact that we didn't see it, that's where it becomes so hard. The RB1 range, it won't be talked about it like that, but I will leave the window cracked because I thought he was such an outstanding prospect and was so excited that there is a chance. And, of course, the Sean Payton history with running backs has – it's been good to fantasy football players so a chance but highly skeptical as we you saw nothing and McLaughlin he he looked

really really good but the the team did not give him that much work I think he made some plays that caught your eye but the team still gave the majority of work, the vast majority of work, to the underperforming Javante. Would it surprise you that Samajni Pirine somehow had 50 catches for 455 yards in the passing game? Yeah, it does surprise me. That shocks me. Feels like he was deleted from the roster at some point in the season. Yeah, it felt like 50 empty catches.

I guess that team didn't feel too good overall until that run. All right, let's move on here. Instagram question from Zach. In a new Dynasty startup, is it worth it to draft CMC first overall? No. Probably not, but close. No. Yeah, I mean, a dynasty startup...

When you have Bijon and Brees at the ages that they're at with the potential, there's no guarantee that they don't beat McCaffrey this year. Yeah, there is a guarantee that they have a longer career from this point. If McCaffrey was guaranteed to be the number one relative to the talent out there beyond him, I think...

To me, it's not a matter of like was it worth it last year if if last year mcafree was number one pick in a dynasty startup would you say you made the right pick i mean i would still say no but not because of bijan and breeze but because of the other top tier wide receivers i i would much rather, like, if I'm starting. I was only thinking running backs. Yeah, I was only. If I'm starting a new dynasty startup and I can get my hands on a Justin Jefferson, a Jamar Chase, a CeeDee Lamb. So let's change the question, because I meant it just in respect to the other running backs.

Okay. Only as the RB1 overall, the number one picked in a dynasty startup at running back. Yeah, it would have been worth it last year. Last year would it have been worth it to take him over Bijan or Brissol? For sure. The year that you got in hindsight. Because you're going to get three full years, right?

You're going to get the year you just got and then this upcoming year and probably another full year. Yeah, so you're including last year as the three. Yes, yes. So I say at that point you would have gotten three. Is that enough? Yeah, that's enough. I mean, what did he score, 20 straight games?

I mean, right now CMC is still already a top five dynasty running back. He's at two for me. And so if you were able to get him last year. He is at two for me. Wow. I know you both probably have Brees and Bijon ahead of him. Yeah, and Gibbs. I do have gibbs ahead it's just the i think you have this year but i mean run the running

backs just hit some some special outlier running backs happen and maybe he is that for longevity but i wouldn't bet the start of my dynasty team of of running backs against that of that third year. The third year could happen where I feel quite confident in all those other guys that, yeah, year three they're still going to be producing. When we're having this conversation again next offseason, Christian McCaffrey will be 28.7 years old. Yeah, that's – he's going to be fine. See, I'm in that camp he's gonna be fine i mean there are certain players that you have i mean we just had raheem mostert at 31 and a half be a the number two

fantasy running back when you're you know the the age cliff for running backs when you look at it as a as a totality it's not fair to the outlier running backs the the human beings that are first ballot hall of famer like he's better he's more special and he's that way for a reason both genetically and work ethic and mentally and what you know the the whole uh all the ingredients to make the cmc soup uh he will be good at 30 years old which is a olympic swimmer and a former nfl player yeah that's a pretty good combo so yeah i mean that is um my mom and dad really let me down yeah it's on them my parents should have been in the olympics yeah and the nfl i think it's interesting to bring up what you did because you know it feels like one of those

things where some some aspects of fantasy football are right in front of your face and Henry's probably a decent example of this over the last three years like the Henry discussions about Derrick Henry being too old began a while back right oh yeah it wasn't just last year. I mean, last year was like, and he was fine. I mean, he wasn't. He wasn't there. He wasn't there.

Yeah, he was not the Yeti. But like the preceding two or three years, we did that. It was a mistake. We did that with Gore, obviously. We've done that with a handful of old people. Old people. Yeah, old people. So this guy turning 40.

But yeah, I feel like if you're sitting there and christian mcafree's right in front of your face and then you're just like no i'm gonna just analytics this only because of age and not on anything else yeah in the end what percentage of players this is where analytics gets funky to me what percentage of players who have finished the year at number one and done the things that Christian McCaffrey has done in the past two years drop off the next year? We don't have enough. In 500 years of football, you'd have enough samples of that, but there's only a handful of McCaffreys that have ever played. So it's like you don't get to compare him apples to apples you compare him with inferior players yeah you can't do average running backs yes and then compare them to the outliers it just can't do it it won't it won't make sense so if you wanted to tell me that you would rather

take cmc over those other running backs for dynasty in in the end what matters and what wins championships are fantasy points scored and christian mccaffrey will do that so i don't i don't mind that the gameplay wise the wide receivers lifespan um and not just lifespan but perceived dynasty value you know four years from now even if he's near the end, you will, you will get tons. You could get a hall for Justin Jefferson, um, four years from now, you won't get that even for, for breeze. Like now all of a sudden he'll be seen as more of an old asset. Yeah. And so I have a hard time pulling that trigger but if if you're just

talking running backs in dynasty yeah score fantasy points mike uh just so you know i can already like picture mike next year at this on this show like cackling when mcafree somehow struggles but oh i will not he's my league of record champion because i need him to be good yeah that's true um let me ask you this, though, because just to expand the discussion, I think it's a good one on dynasty in general. Like we're talking about short terms, long terms, most total fantasy points over a small period, most over a long period.

But, you know, the longevity of wide receiver is well known. Like that's why they go first. But the importance and value of elite play at running back is also very evident because there's less of them that have the ability to put a team on on their back and win you a title i mean um that has been proven in redraft and that you still play the same players in a dynasty league right the same amount generally speaking you know two running backs and two or three wide receivers so in that respect the importance of running back is significant i just think that's a very interesting kind of value uh gamble to take like i know the long you want to have jefferson because you want to have an asset that's valuable for 10 years

but you could trade titles yeah but i will say that while CMC might have slightly higher odds to separate, you could also have Jefferson. CeeDee Lamb this last year is a perfect example. CeeDee Lamb won people titles. Yeah, for sure. When you're still of the elite at the wide receiver position, you can go out there and straight up win someone a title plus the longevity what if the best running backs in football are on your dynasty team but all they can do is get you to the championship game then i would call myself

andy holloway yeah let's say i've i've i won a championship with pretty subpar well we were running back we were actually completely flipped in our two leagues you won you won with um mcafree or i'm sorry i lost with mcafree i won with lamb ohrey. I'm sorry. I lost with McCaffrey. I won with Lamb. Oh, wait. No, that's the same, isn't it? Yeah. You both won with wide receivers. Never mind. Can we delete the last 10 minutes

or so of the pod? All right. You know what? I could have won. McCaffrey. What did he go out? Halfway through the game. Cheater. That would be you. You're the cheater. Howdy ho, ballers. What is a good offer for Jalen Waddell in Dynasty?

CD Land. Oh, that is very... That'll get it done. It'll get done. That'll get done. Oh, man. Well... I mean... Oh, man. Waddell is... a spear through Jason's heart Waddle is still an excellent player

He's still a great dynasty player I'd probably win the championship this year I don't know Hush now My team was really good If I had CD Lamb Because you know it's true

You guys talked me into losing the championship. Quiet down. Simmer down. I was going to say, Waddle might be a great low target right now. Yeah. This year is weighing very heavily on how people think about him. We teach people not to blame the fantasy analyst, Jason. What about when you're literally sandwiched between them?

I mean, I guess you just got to have courage. I guess so. I'm a weak coward. I think going and get Waddle right now is, at least kick the tires. He doesn't feel the same way this offseason as he did last season. So that's generally a good sign.

That's when you swoop in. If you believe in the talent. But a good offer. I mean, it'll still take a lot. It'll still take at least someone you can start and then what? What would you take right now, Jay? Mike Evans? CeeDee Lamb.

That would take him back. Give him to me back. No, I would not take Mike Evans. No. No. Jalen Waddle is 25 years old. What about Adam Thielen? Jason.

You're just going through your roster. Yeah, I am. Yeah, I think you'd have to have a top five pick. I don't think that's happening. I would not trade Waddle away for a top five pick. Really? Wait, I mean, I would trade Waddle away for a top five pick. Yeah, so you would prefer the top five pick.

I would prefer the top five pick. Wow. Really? Andy, I would trade Waddle away for a top five pick. Yeah, so you would prefer the top five pick. I would prefer the top five pick. Wow. Really? Andy. I would definitely prefer the first two. I think that's... Oh, I go beyond. Yeah, I wouldn't do that now.

I'd have to wait until I find landing spots. Interesting. But I would, in a startup, I would, like, if rookies were included, I'd take Malik Naber and Marvin Harrison over Waddle. What was that name again? Neighbors. Malik Neighbors. That's what I said.

Yeah. Yeah. You do have this strange habit of removing or adding S's to people's names. There's only one of them. And so this is the real hard. Oh, because you know that there's one. Right. Human.

Right. But his last name is plural. It's plural. There's not two of them. You know? So I'm a home. Thank you. Yeah.

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