Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Players We’re Embarrassed to Love + Jeanty Madness! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/24

Episode Date: August 24, 2026

Fantasy Football show for Aug 24, 2026. Find out who we’re embarrassed to love for 2026 fantasy football! Andy, Mike, and Jason name six overlooked players that they are willing to pick in fantasy f...ootball drafts. Plus, reactions to Week 2 of preseason and a major injury scare for Ashton Jeanty! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. (00:00) Intro (05:40) Preseason Takeaways (09:00) NFL News (26:35) Embarrassed To Love (28:15) Kyle Pitts (35:20) Rome Odunze (38:50) D’Andre Swift (46:20) Mailbag 2026 ULTIMATE DRAFT KIT is available now at UltimateDraftKit.com Compete in the MEGALABOWL fantasy football league! Megalabowl.com Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, this is Patrick Mahomes, quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs, and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers podcast. To the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. I thought in honor of that intro you were going to give us a lot of... Welcome in. It's me.
Starting point is 00:00:44 Patrick. Yeah. Look, I get it. It's old. tired, but it's still funny to me. It's not easy. recovering from an ECO. That's pretty good. That is actually very good. That's pretty good. That's pretty good Patrick Holmes. Oh, welcome into the podcast. Mike, the fantasy hitman is here. Jason Moore. Present accounted for. I'm Andy Holloway. And we are back. And it is an exciting time in the world of fantasy.
Starting point is 00:01:11 Oh, man. If you were on social medias yesterday, holy, gosh. crap. Well, yeah, we can What a ride. Talk about the Gentie situation. The news that we've gotten since the Red Alert has been positive for Ashton Genty. However,
Starting point is 00:01:30 I don't know what situation. I mean, there were so many people in the middle of drafts. Yeah. Or that had drafted and had regrets with Gentie that were drafting and didn't know where to take Gentie or Mike Washington. I mean, you should at least set it up if we're going to talk
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Starting point is 00:03:02 and 100 plus player profile videos. We've got tools for inside the draft marking players, sleepers, breakouts, bus, and values that we all agree on. And probably like- Injury stuff. So, look, injuries are an important thing to new. We got our our dude, certified PT Matthew Betts. He gives his thoughts on on what's going on with certain injuries.
Starting point is 00:03:21 No, we were all over that ginty situation too. We were updating that as it was happening. Yeah, it was like, what do we do? How do we, you know, the team took a knee, said prayers, had like a big, successful prayers. You were right. Yeah, thank goodness they did. Imagine if he didn't.
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Starting point is 00:04:14 Yeah. But it's also like, yeah, why sharks are pretty scary. Yeah, sharks. You don't need lightning and stuff, but it's like doubling down. But I think I was in the ocean. I'm scared of sharks. It is way more terrifying if it's lightning and storm. Okay.
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Starting point is 00:04:54 I told you, there's a lot going on, guys. And then on Friday, we have our live show out here in Phoenix. And that will be the Saturday bonus episode of the show. So you'll be able to watch that. We'll be live at the Van Buren in Phoenix on Friday night with 800 strong, mighty foot clan members in attendance. And I'm willing to bet right now. Someone is listening to this.
Starting point is 00:05:19 They saved this episode. They're listening on their drive to Phoenix to see us at the live show. All right. See you soon. Before we get into the quick question, quick shout out to Sleeper, by the way, for hosting the megalible. Same place it's been?
Starting point is 00:05:33 Yeah, it just makes it so easy. It makes it easier. All right. Any takeaways or reactions from week two of the preseason? I had four things that I wrote down and I'll just go through them really quickly. I wrote Titans defense down. I think it might be the number one team to play against your players against. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:05:55 I was like, so is Andy seeing? They stood out more than the Titans offense, huh? I have Ward and Tate written down. Wart? Maybe. He's playing that way, Kim, Ward.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Wart is the worst, like, J-Lo style. Or, I mean, what was the Ben-Hatt? Affleck and J-Lo nickname. Oh, when you combine them. Yeah, the combo names. What, what, whatever they called? I can't think of any of them. When they mash the two names together.
Starting point is 00:06:22 I wasn't listening. I'm sorry. J-Lo and Affleck, what was there? Benefer? Yeah. Thank you, Kyle. Well, Wart sucks. Wart is not a good one.
Starting point is 00:06:31 But Ward and Tate, I mean, Hope he's all right. Tate hasn't caught any passes in the preseason, so. He's had targets. I have to give an, heart it's a shout out because he posted the season long projection for Carnal Tate. Um, based off of...
Starting point is 00:06:47 And it was like a hundred and twenty-five targets. Zero catches, zero reception. Stupid Ian being so good at Twitter. He's funny. Um, I wrote Stribling down, obviously. He's had a great preseason. We talked about his, both of his games. And then I just wrote Cleveland down as a word. I just put the word.
Starting point is 00:07:04 What? I just put the Cleveland down. I mean, brother. I don't know. Dog pound. This guy stinks. I mean... Dog pound. It's worse than Arizona. It's worse than Arizona. It is absolutely worse than Arizona.
Starting point is 00:07:16 At least they have Miles Garrett. You might be able to, I'm not even saying football. Like football, you might win more games than the Cardinals. I hope you do as a Cardinals fan. But that situation, I mean, what a, some franchises, man, what a joke. When they were saying dog pound, I'm sure they were like, you know, it's the real, we're aggressive, we're dogs. They didn't like think through the sad part that happens at the pound. Yeah, they are the dog.
Starting point is 00:07:40 Oh, crap. Just saying. Not all the dogs go to a happy home? Yeah. Okay. My takeaways from preseason were you had some of the backups who've been injured forever. Jonathan Brooks, Marshawn Lloyd actually start and play and do things.
Starting point is 00:07:57 And it's like, oh, that's exciting. You got to see Waddle and Bo Nix. Oh, that was cool. That was fun. Yeah, that made me. I'm on be honest with you. We say don't overreact to the preseason. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:08 When that play happened, I went and made a trade offer for Jaylon Wattel. Dude, I'm not even kidding. Welcome aboard. Yeah. Being hot and bothered. I mean, we're all, we've all got Wottle. It's exactly what when I said in the off season where it was like, I was watching Boehnick's deep throws and it was like, man, he needs Waddle. And then that play happens.
Starting point is 00:08:25 It's like, that's exactly what they needed. They knew it. They went out and they got him. We saw the Bucky Irving Kenneth Gainwell split. That is a split. Something might be. And I think the Christian Watson, Matthew Golden. clearly confirmed two wide receiver sets.
Starting point is 00:08:43 Watson looked great. Golden looked good. Yeah, I tell, tell Sir Tan to knock it off. Calm down, man. One more, one more Titans bit was Pollard getting eight of eight opportunities. Oh, man. So, go ahead.
Starting point is 00:08:58 There's more news. Big news to talk about. News and notes from around the league. So the whole overview of the Ashton Genty situation was mid-sunday. we were, you know, we were just having a nice day. Preseason was happening. You know, I was trying to relax and then you get this news. The Ashen Ginty has gone down at practice and that he had to be helped off the field, couldn't put weight on one of his legs. And the team had gathered to like stop practice and have a moment. Literally they stopped the music to the practice. This was what was reported. The team took a break, took a knee. They started playing taps, right?
Starting point is 00:09:42 on the... Yeah. And it was like, when you have that... I mean, you see it all the time. When something happens, an injury that's really bad. Yeah. Where the team has to take a knee. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:51 And you go out of respect, you know what's going on, whether... And so we just assumed we were waiting for the ACL news. Yeah, this could be significant. Yeah. Season ending was these ones. The headline was like, some people pulled like instantly, some other sites pulled Genti instantly from their rankings. People's drafts were going on.
Starting point is 00:10:08 We were actively talking in the moment. Like my instant plan for Gentie was like, we don't know how bad this injury is. It seems, do we pull them? Do we not? I just took them down a little bit. Me too. And I moved to his risk grading all the way up. And we had, we updated the blurb and we kind of informed you in the middle of your draft.
Starting point is 00:10:27 But like if you go, if you swing the pendulum all the way to he's out for the year without any confirmation, this guy's off the draft board. Mike Washington is going in the fourth or something. And then. So check this out. Kent Weirak, a former writer of ours tweeted this. Here's some trades that happened in this little tiny window in Dynasty. Oh, boy. Mike Washington for Blake Corum.
Starting point is 00:10:46 You got the, yeah. I mean, if you thought Washington is a starter, I guess. Mike Washington and a first for Jalen Waddle. Oh. Someone got Mike Washington for, they got a 2027 second for Mike Washington straight up. How about this one? Straight up, Mike Washington for Brian Thomas. Brian Thomas Jr.
Starting point is 00:11:08 a super young wide receiver who was the wide receiver seven two years ago. Somehow those all, I can kind of see them happen in the panic. I can feel it. And you've got Mike Washington in our dynasty league, right? Yeah. You should have been out there shopping. Did you even know that? I didn't, I don't think I brought that up during that whole. Someone may have mentioned it.
Starting point is 00:11:24 But listen, here's the news. If you're just coming around to it, Adam Schaefter, Ian Rappaport co-report, co-reporting that Jentee is believed to have sprained his ankle. And it is not considered a long-term injury. So he Paul pierced it. He went out, he went down in a heap, got lifted off the field.
Starting point is 00:11:40 Paul Pierce pooped his pants. Gentie. I mean, this, I mean. We all know it. He knows it. I don't believe that. No, no. I think he's just, you know.
Starting point is 00:11:52 He definitely pooped his pants. Remember he got a wheelchaired out and then came back? Yeah, because of the poopy pants. All right. Well, uh, you can't walk like that. That's your news. Gentie. This could be high ankle.
Starting point is 00:12:02 This could be running into the beginning of the season. That's, we still don't. We don't have a diagnostic from the team or an announcement from the team. We just have reports from reporters. Because like if it's a low ankle spring. I'm sorry for saying his name on the show. Low. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:12:16 If it's a low ankle sprain, it's like, okay, well, that's no big deal. Maybe he misses the, like, they'll just hold him out, you know, let him recover, and he should be good to go week one. If he has a high ankle sprain, that's like a four to six week injury. And we know that there is, you aren't full go right, right when you come back from the, from that injury. So if you're drafting soon before that information comes out, it's still, it's the risk that you have to either accept or pass on based on this little information that we have.
Starting point is 00:12:52 We have news that Deshawn Watson has been named, the starter. Despite the preseason games played. I had seen, are you, are you talking Watson, Mike? trying to react? There's both. There's both. Okay. Well, let's just finish. I was reacting to Watson of the his quotes going on social media of the, he was
Starting point is 00:13:16 not happy with what he felt was very disrespectful of fans booing him, even though he's been horrifically bad on the field the last time we saw him. So it was like, it's just like it's not performance, it's personal. But it could be it could be both. It could be both. It could 100%
Starting point is 00:13:32 be both. Somebody gave me a hard time. I posted, the idea came from Matt, he said is, is Deshaal Monsen a better player than a person or a better person than a player? I said neither. And then, well, it was meant to trap. Yes. Because you'd have to say one or the other and you don't want to.
Starting point is 00:13:47 No. But the point, somebody responded. Why are you giving him such a hard time? Other players have made mistakes. We've all got our own opinion. But here's my answer. Humility. Yeah. Apology. That's admitting you did wrong. In this press conference, he literally said he regrets nothing in his life.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Like, the way you approach these things, I have, you have a right. to say what you want to say and I have a right to have an opinion based on what you say. That's called, like, we all judge people that way. It doesn't mean that, look, I don't know. I haven't had a conversation with Deshawn Watson, nor shall I. But at the end of the day, this guy faced up to nothing has been a $200 million disaster. Yeah. For the, yeah, the whole timeline is, hey, you did something wrong, obviously.
Starting point is 00:14:33 You admitted and apologized for nothing. you were given $200 million. You rewarded the franchise that gave you that money with the worst play on the field possible. And then you came back and said you don't like the fan base. And I'll admit, like, when there were cheers by fans
Starting point is 00:14:49 when he hurt himself, that crosses a line too. But you also, you could have had that press conference and said, you know what? It's been a long road. That was disappointing to hear, but at the same time, I got to be better. I want to be better and I want to make this fan base. It's not hard.
Starting point is 00:15:05 What blew my mind is in that press conference when he's saying correctly. He's like, it's not, they're not just upset. We know that it's not just a play on the field. It goes beyond that. It's off field stuff. You know, it's like, yes, that's correct. And then he goes, so that's pretty hurtful. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Starting point is 00:15:22 I thought he was going to say like, so I understand, you know, that that's what the fans have to go through and I got to get the play up. Instead, he's like, that's so mean of you guys. It's not. Like, I mean, fantasy wise, Casey, Conception, great player, great opportunity. Harold Fannin, great player, great opportunity. Denzel Boston's been flashing. None of these guys, I mean, it is very fair to say none of them are going to be players that you can 100% guarantee are going to be great today. Because Watson is not
Starting point is 00:15:52 playing good football. Shadour was playing better than Watson. If you look at the preseason splits, much higher completion percentage, otherwise not that different. And neither one of them is elite or even mid-tier in terms of production. So, you know, Fanon, the volume, probably safe, Concepcion, the upside might be nerfed, and they might want the first pick to turn the page, officially. The last two times.
Starting point is 00:16:19 And why did you draft Dylan Gabriel? Can I just say that? A third round pick last year, you drafted him. He wasn't even a part of the worst quarterback competition in the history of football. Stavansky tried to make him. He gave him the first shot over Shadour. He is. It wasn't good enough. Yeah, okay.
Starting point is 00:16:36 So the last two times that Watson has played for the Cleaver Browns, which would have been 23 and 24, you know, completing about 62% of his passes, that's not bad, except at six and a half yards per attempt and five point three yards per attempt while fumbling five times. Pro Bowler. In six games and seven games. Like Watson is just, I mean, fan and the play on the field for Watson,
Starting point is 00:17:03 is not acceptable for a franchise quarterback. You can remove literally everything. You just say you're not even good enough to, you shouldn't be on an NFL team. Well, the news we got while we were talking. Breaking news. You can see this, Jason? I did not.
Starting point is 00:17:21 Trayvion Henderson left practice early Monday after slipping during a cut. Of course. Got his right ankle and foot and leg looked at. Was this rabel buttering up the field? Dude, this is, well, I thought he had mispracticed yesterday or on Saturday for unknown reasons. And then this is saying early Monday, so after another, maybe he's dealing with something because he slipped on a cut. I'm going to spoil something real quick and just take it. Like my, we're doing players, we're embarrassed to love today.
Starting point is 00:17:56 And we're going to give you a name that we're very embarrassed to publicly state that we are fans. of and then we're going to throw in like a Sean Watson. No, it isn't. That's good though. That would have been a great setup for me during the event. Unbelievable. But then we're going to throw just another name out there that is also a name or embarrassed to love.
Starting point is 00:18:18 And Ramandre is the name for today for me. Brother. It's a great. All of my pro Trevo takes and belief and hope does not in any way, shape, or form say that. I think Romandre is a fantastic pick. where he's going right now. I mean, he is two rounds behind Trevion Henderson, and I had no clue that this injury was happening,
Starting point is 00:18:38 but one of the things I was going to say was that, we all say, like, if Ramandre goes down, Travion's a monster, well, it goes the other way, too. And I was going to bring that up, but we had comments before the injury from the two of the biggest beat riders in New England this past three days. So Greg Bedard and Andrew Callahan, Boston Globe, Boston
Starting point is 00:18:54 Sports Journal. Bedard said, not even a discussion. Romandre is way better back at everything. That's the quote. Andrew Callahan. Stevenson is clearly the RB1, doesn't want to, and he didn't want to hear about 50-50 splits. Yeah. And so you take the, now that you got an injury, like, I don't, I don't say with pride that I want to take Ramandre, but I did something I've never done before in my life this past
Starting point is 00:19:15 weekend. And I opened up a trade window. Hmm. I opened up a trade window before this news to try to pick up. Now then, now it's ruined because Trayvion's hurt. Now I can't get Ramondre. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 00:19:29 Do you hear yourself? Maybe I can. Maybe it's not ruined. But hey, in the seventh round, in the sixth round, there's a chance that Ramondre comes out now. I mean, I don't know what this injury is. But either way, you should have a viable starter on a really good team. Yeah, good offense.
Starting point is 00:19:44 You want pieces of good offenses. So that's crazy news, though, and we'll monitor that. I mean, that is up in the air right now. George Kittle activated off the PUP. Christian McCaffrey, after tightness for a long time, finally returned to practice, said that taking time off in camp, was part of the plan. That was so good to hear.
Starting point is 00:20:04 Yeah, no injury. Two different reasons. One, no injury. And two, that they are like literally worried about it and keeping him fresh because they're doing it because they want to give him the ball a ton. Dejean stribling was practicing. Why would they not just say something? Like your coach is having to field questions. Well, I can you like?
Starting point is 00:20:25 Just be like, hey, this is part of the plan. It's weird though, right? Like, can you just mark them down as like rest? in training camp? Or do you have to mark you down? You probably have to mark something. And that's what tightness was. I feel like they get in trouble
Starting point is 00:20:39 if they don't say it after or something. I don't know. Dejohn's scribbling, non-contact jersey, he had a minor shoulder injury. Parker Washington returned to practice. But Jacobi Myers was seen in a brace on his right hand in Friday's preseason game.
Starting point is 00:20:53 I hate to say it, but I'm like, you know, one piece removed from the Jacksonville wide receiver room and things start to become a lot easier to project. We'll see what Jacoby Myers' health is like. Michael Pinnix Jr. cleared for 11 on 11. It's been a pretty good offseason for Pinnix. I mean, as he's done nothing. As he's done nothing.
Starting point is 00:21:13 He has not been able to show his skill, which is great news for him. And Tua, at the same time, has been awful. So, like, you can't imagine a better setup for Pinnix. You didn't. I mean, it's perfect. Yeah, you look great and you didn't have to do anything. Exactly. well played Michael there have been conversations
Starting point is 00:21:33 I would stay out a little bit longer yeah about one more week you're gonna walk right into the starting job yeah just hang out a little bit longer Woody Marks had a great preseason game that's something we should have brought up and the news out of Houston Chronicle at least one beat rider says the workload
Starting point is 00:21:49 might not be 50 50 but we'll be close between Montgomery and Woody Marks you do not like hearing that if you're a like the entire argument for Montgomery is he is everything for that backfield. I still feel like Jason was right, though, on the last show about, like, not seeing Monty at all is saying something about that situation.
Starting point is 00:22:12 Yeah, he's the starter. I mean, they trade for him, they give him money. He's the locked in starter. And you need to, but people have to play. So they have Woody Marks out there. It's just what is the percent? That's the entire bet on David Montgomery. If what he marks is like 30%,
Starting point is 00:22:30 all right, you're probably fine. Oh, you're totally fine if he's 30%. But if you're looking at 40 to 45%, then you have a big problem for David Montgomery. Chris Bell, this is exciting. Dolphins wide receiver, if you don't know who he is, rookie wide receiver. He is practicing without a non-contact jersey.
Starting point is 00:22:47 I saw a clip of Chris Bell running some routes. It looked explosive. We did the leader of the PAC segment last week on the Dolphins whiteouts. We all admitted that like if Chris Bell was the healthiest, we probably would all be in that camp. He was certainly the most highly touted coming out of college, if not for his knee injury. He was a borderline first round pick and they got him at a discount because he was coming off of the ACL. So it's exciting because this is a team that needs someone to step up. The reason I think we landed on Caleb Douglas is because, you know, you hope that someone in a nebulous situation is able to say,
Starting point is 00:23:23 hey, I'm a special player. We know that that's not two, two, at well. Maybe Malik Washington steps forward, but we've seen him a long time. I don't think it's him. But Chris Bell and Caleb Douglas now have opportunities. The Chargers officially placed their newly signed center, Tyler Biatish on injured reserve ending his season. Oh, my gosh, the people hate it.
Starting point is 00:23:45 It's terrible. It's the worst. Preloaded excuse for Herbert, all set? You got to have them in the. barrel. The thing about Biotish was weird because he, he was cut. You know what I mean? In the barrel.
Starting point is 00:24:02 It should have been in the chamber. Yeah. If it's in the barrel. Yeah. I don't, I think it's just loose rattling around in there. Does he load six or seven in the barrel? What if you, I'm curious about this. If you've got one in the barrel and then you shoot one from the chamber, you don't want to do
Starting point is 00:24:18 that. Is that a boom boom? You don't want to do that. That's one of those cartoon guns where the, the, yes. They peel back all four sides of the gun. I think something when they nod it. I think something bad's going to happen to your hand. Okay.
Starting point is 00:24:29 Get it out of the barrel. But look, this is not good. Chargers. Rishan Slater's back at practice. I'll say that. Okay, that's good news. This really stinks for the Chargers. We also have news from the Panthers. Head coach Dave Canales, he said if Chuba is good to go, if Chuba is good to go,
Starting point is 00:24:44 will be running back by committee in week one. I feel like Canales is hard to trust when it comes to how he talks about as running backs. To me, this is, this is a step up from, if Chuba's good to go, he's our guy, it's a step up from, if Chuba's good to go, he's been our starter, he's been our tried and true guy, we're going to lean on him. I mean, it's also a step up. It's not just a step up to saying, hey, it's going to be a 50-50, you know, they're going to share it. Sure, a committee. But also, it's more, if he's ready week one, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a fair point. This is, I mean, if he comes back, you're not going to have Chuba, like, I, I can't, I, I can, you know, I,
Starting point is 00:25:22 can't imagine if you draft tuba right now you can't start him week one right there's no world where you can start have tuba hubbard and i'm trying to tell people i think tuba is just you're taking one of your picks you're just setting it on fire i am very pro jonathan bro johnny brooks big time um one quick reminder on the travion news if if more like recovery news comes out they are the first game of the season that's the wednesday september ninth game oh boy so we'll see if remandre or Trayvion are together or not. Oh, boy, that's a lot of news. We got so much going on.
Starting point is 00:25:56 Anything else? Anybody else? Anybody else twist to something? How are the groins doing these days? Are we butterfly stretching? I think more butterfly stretching has been taking place. We're getting the word out. Yeah, we're trying our best.
Starting point is 00:26:07 But yeah, fewer, the groins are... Can you patent like a move and no one else can use the move without paying you? Your stretch? Like a stretch? Hmm, I'm going to look into that. Like you catch somebody doing it and you're like, that's five bucks. I would like to patent the butterfly stretch. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:25 All right. Well, we'll take a break. We'll come back with Players We're embarrassed to love. Players, we're embarrassed to love. I hear something embarrassing. I forgot that. Papa Josh says he can butterfly stretch the knees to the ground on both sides. Wow, that is embarrassing.
Starting point is 00:26:57 That's too flexible for me. Yeah. I mean says an unflexible person. I mean, do you? Inflexible, but, um, what, can you do the splits? Get wrecked. I can't recover after that. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:27:11 Can you do the splits? That's one of those like really cool things that feels like a shameful thing. Like I'm embarrassed. This is the, I'm embarrassed to love. Yeah. I would be embarrassed to be like, watch me do these splits. I'd feel that way too. I would be like Jean-Claude out there.
Starting point is 00:27:25 I'd be like, any excuse to do the splits. I'd be like, you need that light turned on? Let me put it, let me ask you this way. You got, oh, I see your counters are close together. Splits. If we were walking out into the lobby for lunch. Yeah. And Matt Pingree, the Falcon, just drops into his dead splits, just drops on the floor, splits.
Starting point is 00:27:44 Well, that's embarrassing. Yeah. You have to have a fake reason to do it. Okay. All right. Because he wouldn't. He'd just drop. Like, maybe he dropped his wallet.
Starting point is 00:27:54 What if he did it on purpose, though? Whoops. Well, yeah, I would do that. Okay. like I said, any excuse. All right, players were embarrassed to love. We've each got a name or two. It's time to go public.
Starting point is 00:28:08 All right. I mean, I feel like mine and Jasoners, people already kind of know about it, but yours is. Yeah, I mean, I can start. You could still, you could pivot. I already told you Romandre, but this, no. You can change right now and no one will be none the wiser. Let me say this. No.
Starting point is 00:28:26 Let me say this. We know, but. This was the pivot. Wait. It was worse than this? This was the pivot. It was Watson. I knew it.
Starting point is 00:28:35 No, it wasn't. I knew it. No, this was the pivot for Kyle Pitts. He was placed in a couple other spots, more significant than being on the players. I'm embarrassed to love show. This was. He's not your MVP or my guy anymore.
Starting point is 00:28:49 This was a my guy and an MVP candidate. Oh. And you guys said the same thing in the office. You don't have to do it. You don't have to do this. And so he found a home on this show. And it's Kyle Pitts, tied in for the Atlanta Falcons. You were loving that Michael Pennix News.
Starting point is 00:29:07 Gross. I am obviously embarrassed to say that I love Kyle Pitts this year. Yes, you should. But I do. I do love Kyle Pitts this year. He will be on so many of my teams because of the draft cost, because he will be a seventh round, late six round pick. last year, you know, the fantasy finish, what was he, two, tied into.
Starting point is 00:29:34 I know he had the insane game, but look, the capacity to have a game like that, signs the three-year, $36 million, guaranteed extension. The two left-handed, mediocre quarterbacks that he has, especially the one that's going to start the season, is so inept and what do you call it when you're like in the pocket, gun-shy, just absolutely afraid of pressure and throws the ball short all over the plays. I think Kyle Pitts, look, I have more confidence
Starting point is 00:30:05 that he has a season worth being proud of than I do right now about like the Drake London having the Jefferson style year. He led the Falcons and Routes, targets, receptions, receiving yards last year. Only McBride did that in the NFL. Tua's area of the field is low A-DOT. We know this.
Starting point is 00:30:23 80 or sorry, 63% of his attempts under 10 yards. The one preseason game we saw them together, it was like four out of five plays. Kyle Pitts caught a pass. I think the PPR value of Kyle Pitts is going to be through the roof. Kevin Stefansky's coming in as the head coach. This is the one that can, I mean, it does a sway,
Starting point is 00:30:43 but if anything was going to do it, it would be this one. Kevin Stefanski, his target share for the tight-in position, that's a routinely targeted position for Stefansky in 2025, last year, 32% of the targets. But it's like 26% or higher for the last six years as a head coach. And so to me, this one is a, this is an easy button to tie in, which Pitts has never been. He has been drafted now in six consecutive years. This is the second lowest draft price that you've ever gotten on Kyle Pitts.
Starting point is 00:31:16 And so basically here's what the fantasy community did. He was drafted in the 10th round last year, basically the 11th. he had a tight-in-two season he won people fantasy playoff games and then they're like we'll move you to the mid-seventh round so nobody's bought in to the degree they're burnt more than they're bought in
Starting point is 00:31:33 and so to me this one is an obvious look I don't like it I'm not proud of it but I'm there and Kyle Pitts will be on a ton of my teams where are you guys with Kyle Pitts he'll be on none of my teams but that isn't because I'm anti- Kyle Pitts I think that where I've talked about this
Starting point is 00:31:51 a lot. Whether you like Leporta, for you guys, you love Kraft, obviously, if his injury is totally gone. I get that. But all those middle round tight ends, you're sacrificing running backs and wide receivers that I think are more valuable shots to take. So I won't have him. If he was in, you know, if he drops to the 10th round, like he should, I would pull the trigger on him. I do think that there is enough talent there. They paid the man. There's enough opportunity. there. Really, I mean, let me bring up, sorry, go ahead and finish your thought.
Starting point is 00:32:25 I was just saying, you know, we were talking up Zachariah Branch, a late round draft pick who weighs, you know, 100 pounds at wide receiver because someone else has to catch the ball there. A lot of people want to point to the three touchdown 16 16-yard game in week 15 as, you know, being the only reason that Kyle Pitts had a good fantasy season. It kind of, he turned it on from week 13 on.
Starting point is 00:32:48 And I know Drake London, the injury, but you saw the ability 82 yards, 90 yards, 166, 56, 57, 58 yards. It was a good end of the season. They paid him the money. He was going to have suitors. I'm in.
Starting point is 00:33:02 I'm trying to do the thing. We said wipe the slate clean and look at it objectively. And to me, let me give you an example. My league of record team is going to need a tight end. I mean, but that's it, really.
Starting point is 00:33:15 It is the strongest roster in the whatever, the 20, years. Strongest roster going into season. That's a lot of pressure. Oh, it's factual information. Yeah. Yeah. Did you want me to read it? Yeah, I will. Josh Allen, please, Jemir Gibbs. Kenneth Walker, Devon, A. Chan, Cidieland, I'm on Ross, St. Brown. Right. In a three keeper. You have managed to take everyone's keepers. Yes. Everyone asked me when I posed to that this morning, they go, how do you have six keepers in a three
Starting point is 00:33:48 keeper league? After our keeper deadline, you can trade picks for players. I had a lot of pick. I traded for some of the players. If you don't win, what an embarrassing. I know we're setting this season up this way. I want to get it out of the way. Terrifying. You've had a super team before. And it lost a lot of games.
Starting point is 00:34:06 It started poorly. Jason, let me ask you a question. Super teams don't win, man. Superteam over here. The superest of... It is the superst of super teams that the League of Record has ever seen before. Yes.
Starting point is 00:34:19 Week one. I would be going for a repeat. Which? Who am I rooting for? Yeah, which would you prefer to not happen? I want Andy to win a hundred times more. All right. So you're on team, super team.
Starting point is 00:34:35 Mike going just for the record. That is like the question of is Sean Watson a better? You said, you're telling me two terrible options. Two terrible options. But you love the Dodgers, right? That's what you're saying? Jason does love super teams. Like when Kevin Durant joined the Warriors, you were like,
Starting point is 00:34:51 That's what I'm saying up for. I will say this. I want the Dodgers to break baseball so that they fix it. I want them to. This was a Kyle Pitts. Not lose another game until you. All I'm saying is just like Kyle Pitts is one of the targets for me late in the draft, depending on where he dropped.
Starting point is 00:35:06 I have what I was going to say. And if you want to take him from me, I dare you. Like I already have Kyle Pitts projected under market. So he's not a player that will be a target for me. Okay. Well, um, Jason. We'll move on to a player that I am embarrassed to love because it just seems like old busted for a young third year wide receiver old busted Roma dunzaa nobody likes him it's
Starting point is 00:35:30 colson lovelin it's Luther burden you look at the ADP right now Luther burden is everyone is in love you watch the film I'm in love but also we're projecting him to have to usurp Luther or Roma dounzee in targets in a way that he didn't do last year you know you you look at last year Rome led the team in first read targets, led the team in first read target share when Caleb was pressured. Like that was the guy that he looked to. Now, maybe that whole thing flips. Fine. But what if it doesn't? Because one of these guys is sitting in the sixth round. And Roma Dunzee, here's the thing, the embarrassing thing for me to say. I think he's good. And I feel like that's pretty embarrassing. Yeah, see, like Mike, you talk crap about Rome. You know, oh, I can't separate,
Starting point is 00:36:17 you know, he's slow. Now you got the foot problem. I'm embarrassed. So you're embarrassed in. You must have Rome above burden. Otherwise, it wouldn't be embarrassed. I have Rome and burden basically back to back in my rankings. I have Rome in almost every draft. We just did a mock draft. Friday, our last episode, I took Rome in that. You have consistently been on the Rome side. Yeah. And just as a reminder, I brought this up in the early offseason, but to remind you, or if you're back for the first time, Roma Dunseh, in year two, as a top 10 NFL draft pick in year two broke out. He was awesome.
Starting point is 00:36:51 The first month of the season, he was the wide receiver three in fantasy. He got injured leading into the week nine game. That's when he popped up on the injury report with the foot issue. So that's a big chunk of the season. The first half of the season, he was a wide receiver one going into week nine. That seven game stretch, he was on pace for 136 targets, 75 receptions, 1150 yards, and 12 touchdowns. He had 27 in-zone targets in his first. first two years, seventh most among wide receivers. He's a good player. Then he got,
Starting point is 00:37:22 then he got his foot injured, couldn't really play well the next few games. He was on pace that next stretch for 44 receptions, 639 yards. Like he was, he was bad. So they shelved him. And he had to deal with the foot injury. Now we're into the next season. Year three. It used to be the year two breakout for wide receivers. That was like for fantasy, you just always draft year two wide receivers. Then all of a sudden, year one wide receivers were so good that year two that kind of took steps back like Ladd McConkey and Brian Thomas Jr. The year three for some of these guys, JSN, had that year three breakout. I love Romadunzee and Marvin Harrison Jr. And I'm embarrassed to admit that because it's gross. They suck in there, but they're in the exact same situation.
Starting point is 00:38:07 I want the Bears player with Caleb and Ben Johnson in that situation. But I look, I love Roma Dunesay in drafts and maybe it's a mistake but I will be the one making it I think I think part of what people have trouble with is saying they love Roma Dunes and means that they love him more than those other two guys yeah the the idea that Rome leads this team in targets I think to most people's like that's not going to happen and for me I go that's that's that's it is possible I have him I basically have him and Loveland as almost near the same and in targets both equally leading this team. Well, speaking of the Chicago Bears,
Starting point is 00:38:51 I'm right here with you, Jason. Wait, did you both pick bears? Yeah, mine, it makes sense. You've been embarrassed about this all summer. I don't even know if you're embarrassed anymore. Did we pick this just because it's embarrassed? Okay. Mike.
Starting point is 00:39:06 Yeah. Oh, I didn't get my swish out. Deggummit. I couldn't. I couldn't tell if I loved it or hated it. Is it embarrassing? If I had said Swiss. It's embarrassing to like bears?
Starting point is 00:39:17 No, but this is just because this is a personal one for me. It's DeAndre Swift. If you have been a listener of the fantasy footballers podcast for any stretch of time, you have basically heard me say only negative things about DeAndre Swift. I have. It's been part of your platform. I have relished every opportunity I could to dunk on DeAndre Swift. I don't know if he probably wasn't an embarrassed to love,
Starting point is 00:39:43 but it's like last year coming into the season, I kind of liked a seventh round rookie running back in Kyle Monongai because I disliked DeAndre Swift so much. I'm like, give me anyone on this team who can play running back. Because Swift, tremendous top tier athlete, his skills at the running back position, I think have been lackluster.
Starting point is 00:40:06 But now at this point, it doesn't matter. And why it's embarrassing. DeAndre Swift is going as a running back 20th. 84 of ADP over on Sleeper in the fifth round. I have him as a fringe running back one. I am, my chips are so in on DeAndre Swift. The situation is fantastic. Last year, he set career highs in rushing yards, rushing touchdowns, rush success rate,
Starting point is 00:40:32 yards from scrimmage because he is athletic. We saw, you know, we saw his success on the Eagles. When he had a good offensive line, he's so fast. He can make things happen. the Chicago offensive line plus the Ben Johnson scheme. So last, what the Bears were able to accomplish with Ben Johnson. They went from 21st to third in rush success rate. And this is a team that had Swift on 2024.
Starting point is 00:41:00 Yards before contact went from 26 to 6th. Their PFF run block rank from 14 to 3rd. This is a strong offensive line. It's an offensive guru. And DeAndre Swift is the main guy. And now Kyle Monungai is dealing with his own. What's going on with him? He's dealing with an injury.
Starting point is 00:41:17 It was like this weird, mysterious thing. He will be back. But the point is, you can get a hot start here from a player who's barely being drafted as a running back 24. They're favored in, what, five of their first six games. Carolina, Minnesota, Philly, the Jets. That's the first four matchups for DeAndre Swift. I don't think his ADP makes sense. It's disgusting.
Starting point is 00:41:40 I'm having to swallow my pride on this. one and just say that DeAndre Swift is, I think he's one of the best picks in the draft right now. Yeah, you've been pretty consistent with that. And then the Monongai injury news is just compounding it. It almost feels like they became resigned to the reality that Swift works in this offense and they're going to use him. Yeah, the last I see about the Monongai news, he hyper-extended his knee. It's going to miss multiple weeks. It is not known what his status will be for week one. We're making memes about DeAndre Swift, over. here. It's just happening.
Starting point is 00:42:15 What are the other two? You guys have a couple I mentioned Ramandre. Do you have a couple other I can give mine. Players are because it is it's the three. It's the three one. What happened was I did the three headed dragon and I put Rome with Dunesay on there and now the other producers are running away with it.
Starting point is 00:42:30 He did the three headed dragon where it was Rome. Well, no, it's Lovelin and Burton are the serious ones. And then there's Duneses on the edge and it's Rome of Dunzee. I'll throw out the name because this one is it's wild, but it is I'm throwing it out.
Starting point is 00:42:49 Marshawn Lloyd. You love him. I am just I'm fading Josh Jacobs for better or for worse for this season. Like all, there are reasons why Josh Jacobs makes complete sense as a fantasy pick and everything should just be full status quo. He was an absolute touchdown machine.
Starting point is 00:43:10 You know, they just dealt with the the efficiency he had last year they just dealt with it. I mean, partly because Marshawn Lloyd can't stay on the field. But I'm at the point now where I'm not drafting Josh Jacobs and it's the, well, let's take some shots at this Green Bay. I like Green Bay's offense. And maybe Marshawn Lloyd will end up being the player that they drafted in the third round a couple years ago. So I'm just, it's kind of like that hedge. If you're going to fade one player, take a shot on the other one who's, Marshal on Lloyd is completely free. Yeah, he's in draft.
Starting point is 00:43:43 and maybe he gets more work than you are anticipating right now. Yeah, maybe a late last second suspension for Jacobs doesn't seem like it's going to happen, but if you draft Lloyd and then all of a sudden it turns around. Yeah, there's suspension and then there's just, like I said, the efficiency. Great on the goal line, but in between. I will say in support of yours, there has been more, very similar to my argument for Mason, there's been more wide zone runs, which definitely does not fit Jacobs and does fit Marshawn Lloyd. I am not fading Jacobs.
Starting point is 00:44:14 I think he's going to be fantastic this year because great offense. Like you said, you want a good piece of that. I think Jacob plays the season and is great and scores, you know, 12 plus touchdowns. But if you're fading him, that's a good pick. I'll throw one name out there. I'm embarrassed to love Dalton Kincaid because I've been in and gotten burned on him before. You know, it's like his sophomore year I was very bullish. I thought he was going to break out.
Starting point is 00:44:37 He has hurt his knee from that point forward and never been healthy. But this camp, people have talked. about he's more involved in every facet. He's been at every single practice. His knee is healthy for the first time in years. And if you look at like targets per route run, yards per route run, those types, he's 2.73 yards per route run. Best of all tight ends in the league. He's just playing 30% of snaps. If he plays 70% of snaps for the bills. If these strengths continue, yeah, I mean, I will have 2,000 yards. Yes. So I'm just saying if he gets more opportunities for a great quarterback that could use him, uh, there'd be,
Starting point is 00:45:13 It'd be good for a late round titan. I'll throw another name out there since I spoiled Ramondra earlier. I'll just say Malik Willis has been in that camp for me. Oh, I'm with it. So I think Malik Willis, I think the dolphins in general, like, I made a trade for A-chan and I gave up Hampton and I gave up more to get. You got Josh Allen back to. No, I know, but I mean, just on paper.
Starting point is 00:45:33 But the bet is on A-chan. Yeah, I mean, even when I was negotiating with the A-chan manager, they wanted a lot more than Hampton. And it's like, I'm still willing to do. do it because my belief in A-chan is this this is Devon A-chan. Yes, not the junior. Yeah, just because you were talking about trying to trade for the other. Yeah, with you. Second A-chan. Anybody named A-chan, I'm kind of into that. But Trevor's still out there. But yeah, I think Malik Willis and the Dolphins could be a little bit interesting in general.
Starting point is 00:46:01 So let's go ahead and take a break and do some mailback. Oh, man, I almost hit the embarrassed to love drop again. I would have been embarrassed. Oh, that drops pretty good. All right. Okay, here we go. Evan in North Carolina. By the way, if you have a question for the show, we are here to help you win your league. Go to the website, the fantasy footballers.com,
Starting point is 00:46:31 click that submit a question button or Jason, they can dial the voicemail a hotline. Just don't mess up. 302464 TFFB. Or please mess up. If you mess up, we will hear it. Brooks will and then he'll laugh. Evan in North Carolina,
Starting point is 00:46:45 have you ever taken a first round keeper? I'm trying to decide between CMC as a late first or Kyle Pitts in the 10th. That's an easy CMC. I would do CMC. And that's coming from the guy that just is embarrassed. He's embarrassed to love Kyle Pitts. What you've got to do is ask yourself at the end of the draft, which player you want to see on your team.
Starting point is 00:47:03 Yeah, taking a first round pick on a keeper is normal if it is a high-end guy or you don't have any better options. Jonathan and Los Angeles sub-ballers, knowing that the substation requires NFL human sacrifices and Christian McCaffrey seems to be quietly in danger. Who do you like for the 49ers backup job? Kalam Black, Jordan James, who is hurt, but I think we're turned to practice. Yeah, it's been Kalin Black by default.
Starting point is 00:47:31 I came into this offseason definitely on the Jordan James side. And it seemed like Jordan James was the correct backup, but then he's been injured the whole camp. So to be honest, right now I'm not really in on either of them. Like in the draft, drafting insurance back, is fine if you have complete like you know Blake Corum will be that guy
Starting point is 00:47:52 who gets the role should the starter be injured you don't know here so this is more of a situation I'll pick up off of the waiver wire and I will say the substation human sacrifice portion of this I think I'm starting to realize that's why they brought Mike Evans in they brought him in because he can keep getting injured over and over and over
Starting point is 00:48:11 they are over one whoa that one got me yeah me too man that went straight to the spine. That's what that's like. That was pretty scary. I liked it when there was no sound. Yeah, the pieces of Mike Evans' body are slowly being disassembled to sacrifice for Christian McCaffrey is what it seems like. Which is such a shame.
Starting point is 00:48:35 I wanted Mike Evans. He's such a perfect fit. If he's healthy, he's going to be great any week that he's out there, which will be at least three. On the other hand, though, he's the worst fit to go to San Francisco ever. a team that just deals with injury. I mean, I'll tell you this right now. I've got some stats for you on that, on their injury history coming up on the live show.
Starting point is 00:48:55 It's going to blow your mind. Andre in Rhode Island, Jason keeps mentioning his Felix model. What exactly is the Felix model? The Felix model is kind of a machine learning. I have tens of thousands of different data pieces that from college production, physical traits, attributes, all of that.
Starting point is 00:49:17 Draft capital. Yeah, draft capital once that's figured out. And then it's a specific position by position scoring that models, based on what has happened in the past, to try to find successful predictive analytics. And so essentially it puts players in a percentile score within their position of hopeful future success. And so this is the first year I've had it, but we backtest the data and it looks great going backwards. So I'm excited to see how it goes for this year's prospect. This is mostly dynasty stuff.
Starting point is 00:49:53 Yeah, it's definitely a score to project incoming players who have not played a snap in NFL and what their likelihood of success is based on all the analytics. And you can, my Felix model is in the UDK. So if you've got the ultimate draft kit, which you should get. It's in the dynasty pass. Yeah. So take a look. there. A YouTube question from B4. Where can you find fun competitive leagues to play? You mentioned
Starting point is 00:50:18 a platform once. I cannot remember it. Thank you. Our suggestion would be footclanateleagues.com, which really just puts you into our Discord. Yeah, and that will connect you with all sorts of great people that you can find leagues with. However, right now, if you're looking for a great league, I don't know, man. Maybe get to the Megalibol? Megalobol.com? We're all playing in it? And you get a chance to win a listener league spot next year if you win. And an ultimate footclam membership for life. So that is going to do it for today's episode of the show. Please join us this afternoon, 6 p.m. Eastern, 3 p.m. Pacific.
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Starting point is 00:51:19 underrated stacks, mailbag, lots of stuff going on. And let's all just, whatever the Raiders guys, that prayer, let's just harness it for all of the other training camp injuries for this week.
Starting point is 00:51:33 I really don't want to talk about more injured players. I don't at all. So, knees to the ground. We'll see you on YouTube. This evening. Take care, everybody. Goodbye.
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