Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Sleepers + Undrafted Gems, MEGALABOWL! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/20
Episode Date: August 20, 2024Sleeper picks and a big announcement on today’s fantasy football podcast! You are invited to participate in the largest fantasy football league: the MEGALABOWL! Plus, players to target late in fanta...sy football drafts or even scoop up off the waiver wire! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for August 20th, 2024. Compete in the largest fantasy football league! Megalabowl.com 2024 ULTIMATE DRAFT KIT is available now at UltimateDraftKit.com 00:00) - Intro (10:05) - Waiver Wire - Undrafted Gems (12:10) - Darnell Mooney (15:40) - Dontayvion Wicks (17:40) - Adam Thielen (22:00) - NFL News (27:30) - Sleepers (28:40) - Andy’s Sleeper Pick (34:25) - Mike’s Sleeper Pick (38:40) - Jason’s Sleeper Pick (46:00) - Mailbag (47:50) - Devon Achane first round in dynasty? (49:05) - Zero RB strategy Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Check out today's sponsors: Waiver Wire presented by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. Visit youtube.com/fantasyfootballers News & Notes presented by USAA. Visit https://USAA.com/Insurance Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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now before we jump into the waiver wire just for a moment i just want people to understand that
there is a debate going on actively in the studio wait between the premium deucer over there, Al Borland. Oh, wait, what?
Who named him premium?
I think Andy just did.
Well, and Mike, you can take that away.
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And they're in an active debate about whether or not.
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That's regular.
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That was a totally different sound on that horn.
About whether it was louder the first time.
Now, Al, you're an honest man, a man of God.
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Did you adjust the dBs between those two button pushes?
I did not.
Dude, that first button push was louder.
Something happened.
In Slack, Al was saying it was no louder, the decibels were the same, and no way.
He's back there gaslighting us like it
didn't happen interesting i would not lie to you no way no that's fine but just accept that it was
louder all right for today's waiver wire segment we are looking deuce or my butt i'm sorry i was
being very complimentary um undrafted gyms we're gonna each pick a player head flies back to the air andies oh yeah okay
we are each picking a player that we don't believe will be drafted that you should pay
attention to and maybe pick up um for week one you're gonna be maybe regretting not having this
guy on the roster sometimes you pick somebody at the very end of your draft uh on speculation and then you go into week one you're
like well maybe i don't want this guy on my roster these are some undrafted players we think you might
want to pick up that will feel a little bit better after week one gets done but i'm not going to go
first mike i was in the studio with you you were watching the film on this guy indeed i was so
let's let's bring up this name darnell mooneyoney, wide receiver, now of the Atlanta Falcons,
previously of the Chicago Bears.
He's been one of the – we've talked about –
there's these invisible players who just maybe there's a blind spot to it.
There's fatigue.
I don't know.
You don't really want to either talk about them, buy into them, realize
that, oh, maybe this player will have some fantasy value. And Darnell Mooney has kind of just been
one of those guys, as I'm looking later at ADP, and I thought, I'm going to go check this out.
I'm going to go watch every single target that Darnell Mooney got last year. And dude, he's
still Darnell Mooney. I'm not saying he's –
Wait, is that good?
That is good.
That's good.
Yes, it is good.
I'm not saying he's a superstar wide receiver, but he is a good player,
and he has true afterburners, and he can make really tough catches,
and watching the film –
Oh, buddy.
The thing that stood out the most about watching Darnell Mooney was,
holy crap, the Chicago Bears quarterback play last year was,
dude, you could go six targets in a row for Darnell Mooney and go,
the man was wide open.
What is going on here?
Someone give him the ball.
He was open short.
He was open intermediate.
He was open down the field.
I rolled over when Mike was in the middle of going through every target
for Darnell Mooney. I watched six consecutive plays there were zero catches it gave me a new
appreciation for justin field's struggles reading a defense some of them were the secret pageant man
as well you know it's so it just shows you how hard it is to qualify a player simply by the
statistics that what you saw on film was justin feels not able to read a player simply by the statistics.
What you saw on film was Justin Fields not able to read a defense and let go of the ball at the right time.
Mooney would be breaking open, and there was no anticipation in the throws.
So Mooney just kind of got deleted.
I was sitting next to Mike.
He's watching this film, and I hear just a hearty, real, genuine laugh.
I'm like, what? And I roll over I roll over he's like check this out it was it was a Tyler Bajent throw beautiful play design Darnell Mooney wide open
no one within five yards and he's in the end zone and both Bajent and Mooney rolling to the right
just in in sync it just just a layup throw and Bajent throws into the stands.
Like, that's not a joke.
I think the ball went into the stands.
I'm like, what happened?
So Mooney's still Mooney is your message.
Yeah, point being, Darnell Mooney, in my opinion,
in my study that I just did, I think he is still a good, capable player,
and so did the Atlanta Falcons.
They gave him a three-year, $39 million contract,
26 of that guaranteed over the next two years. And it's just, what do you believe about the Atlanta Falcons. They gave him a three-year, $39 million contract, 26 of that guaranteed over the next two years.
And it's just, what do you believe about the Atlanta Falcons?
They're going to be running three wide all the time.
And if Kirk Cousins is back to health,
you can get sustained production,
not just a couple spike weeks.
Darnell Mooney might be a player that goes into your flex
or your double flex,
and you're content with the production you're getting,
and he is going extremely late in drafts, most often not even drafted.
Yeah, I think that's a great name to pick up.
And the point of these waiver wire pickups is if you're done with your draft,
look at who you grabbed at the end,
and you might want to just consider dropping that dude
and picking one of these guys up, at least mine mike's um we'll get to andy's last my pickup is who i drafted with the
last pick in our last mock draft it's don tavian wicks a second year wide receiver for the green
bay packers he has had a lot of buzz if you're're not on the Twitter sphere of fantasy football.
I'm not familiar with Twitter, but whatever.
The X sphere of fantasy football.
That sounds like fear of the letter X.
Well, yeah.
I mean, it's pretty.
Wicks has got popularity among the.
D-gens.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, he's a really good football player. He passes the eyeball test.
He also passes a ton of the metric tests. If you look at, there's only 26 wide receivers since
2011 who have hit a two yards per route run as a rookie with at least 200 routes. And Wicks is in
that group. You look at how he's performed when given the opportunity it's been really really good now he was a rookie last year behind a crowded backfield Dobbs was good you had the breakout of Jaden Reed
uh you know Christian Watson is supposed to be their wide receiver number one and all those
people are still in front of him which is why Wicks is undrafted but if you listen to the
coaching staff and Jordan Love talk about Wicks and the talent and the capability and the work
ethic. I think he's got a chance to come in here and really, really surprise. You want to attack
ambiguous cores from good offenses. We've talked about this in the context of drafting Jaden Reed.
And so I think Wicks, you saw it in the first preseason game, right? Like, Jordan Love just drops back, rolls around,
and there's Wicks wide open for a bomb touchdown.
So I would take a shot on them because the tip to remember
on our top 10 tips and tricks episode was take dumps now, not later.
You want guys you can cut after week one.
If Dontavion Wicks comes out week one and he's 40% snaps, whatever.
Get rid of him. But if he comes out week one and he's 40% snaps whatever get rid of him but
if he comes out week one and all of a sudden he's really involved he's going to be very very good
for fantasy my turn your turn hey everybody what who's that it's me Adam I get out of town i went into this show doc today to put in my undrafted gym as adam theelin
aged hundred yard or a hundred reception wide receiver of the carolina panthers
and lo and behold i find out that adam theelin was my undrafted gym on this episode last season.
Okay, so hold up.
Also, home run on that.
Yeah, that was a home run.
I mean, you want to talk about starting the season on fire.
He helped your dynasty team in immense ways.
You're welcome.
But I thought for sure you came into the show, Doc,
saw that this was your pick last year and went, oh, you know what?
He's okay this year as well.
You came in to put him in?
I came in independent of that knowledge to put Adam Thielen in.
You don't know how to quit.
And found that out.
Now listen, Thielen, I understand.
He's old.
He's also one of the only 33 and older wide receivers in history
to go over the 100 reception mark.
When you look at the offense and Bryce Young and Dave Canales
and what they're doing, and you look at the options that they have,
I'm just going to bring it up.
Players of this age, when Fitzgerald was this age, Hines Ward,
they start the season pretty strong.
He's also the one that has the rapport with Bryce Young,
and if you trust Dave Canales to put his quarterback into a situation
where he doesn't make mistakes,
you rely on the most reliable player.
And this is also not just, this is not blind.
This is also including the fact that Deontay Johnson missed a bunch of time with a groin injury, just came back, limped off the field again.
Now he's kind of back out of practice, but he has a couple of injuries already in camp.
Xavier Leggett is brand new right like this is a player
I would expect to make an impact over time but Adam Thielen he didn't he didn't play in the last
preseason game alongside you know the starters like Thielen is still there still reliable and
100% undrafted like nobody wants to touch that even though he was the wide receiver 25 in fantasy
last year when you look at buying a couple of weeks maybe buying six to eight weeks with in a
deep wide receiver league somewhere you need reliable like you just mentioned mooney you
might be able to just all of a sudden just flex him like dealing could give you some temporary
support and i i'm sorry that you're such an ageist.
I just, you know, reliable hands.
I'm about to die.
Really reliable around the goal line.
Let me sleep.
He's not sleeping yet, Mike.
He's going to be 34, man.
Yeah, he's napping right now.
You know that.
I just want, look, when do you,
it feels like you began the Adam Thielen voice at a time
that you should be dishing it out to Keenan Allen then.
Like, if Thielen gets this voice, then Keenan Allen.
Keenan's not old.
Keenan's fat.
Keep up.
Oh, come on.
Keenan's the age that Thielen was last year when you were mocking him.
Er. Oh. Oh, come on. Keenan's the age that Thielen was last year when you were mocking him.
Er.
Oh.
Green.
What?
Is that your attempt at Keenan?
Yeah.
It's a little deep.
It had to be different.
It has to be.
No, that was great.
That was great.
All right.
So those are our three names that we wanted to bring to light.
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Jason, put on your biggest surprise face, okay?
The commanders have announced, shocking,
Jane Daniels will be the team's starting quarterback.
What?
He did it.
You know how embarrassed I'd be?
If it hadn't have been him after I made him a my guy?
Have the Bears announced yet anything about Caleb Williams being the starter?
I thought they did that to start.
Yeah, I mean, this is what.
To be fair, the number three overall pick I don't think has been announced as the starter.
Unless I missed something about Drake May.
No.
He's got a shot now.
He does have a shot.
It was looking like only Jacoby, and now it looks wide open.
I'm glad they named him as a starter.
I mean, they should have done this a long time ago.
Everyone knew it a long time ago.
But you kind of have a feel for which rookie quarterbacks,
even when they're drafted, are drafted to start week one.
Like J.J. McCarthy and Drake May, they were drafted to compete and learn
and maybe redshirt for a while or a couple of weeks.
But like Bo Nix, I was talking about this forever ago
when Bo Nix was third on the depth chart on the first Broncos official depth chart
was like, he's your starter and you know it.
Well, yeah, Peyton sucks, so he's doing this thing.
Yeah, I mean, it's just when these quarterbacks, like both Jaden Daniels and Bo Nix,
they played so much college ball. I mean, they played way more than most of these other quarterbacks, like both Jaden Daniels and Bo Nix, they played so much college ball. I mean,
they played way more than most of these other quarterbacks, you know, five seasons. And if you
play five seasons of college ball and you're not starting week one in today's NFL, you shouldn't
have been drafted in the first. Also, if Jacoby Brissett was still on the commanders, you know,
that would make a difference in the competition, right?
Yeah, for sure.
Like if you have somebody that can actually compete, not Jared Stidham.
Yeah, the Manders literally kicked out Sam Howell.
They drafted him and said, no, we don't want a competition here.
And Brissett too, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, both.
Well, I don't like this news.
Curtis Samuel, turf toe toe week to week.
He missed the game last year with the toe injury.
He had an ankle fracture and surgery in 2017.
Part of the Curtis Samuel story has always been injured.
It has always been injury.
It's been a problem making him a reliable fantasy option
because he's in and out of your lineup.
This is significant.
It changes how I would view the dart throw at the end of drafts on
a bills wide receiver if you're deciding if you're a shakir or keon coleman or or curtis
samuel at this point week to week is pretty ambiguous um you know from what i looked at
you know these turf toes based on their grade determines two, three weeks or can be prolonged.
We've seen Joe Brady and Curtis Samuel in the Joe Brady system before.
He is more of a manufactured, short yardage type of player,
and that leads me to believe that should he miss time,
I was already bullish on your my guy Mike James Cook
and Dalton Kincaid as quality assets.
But that's the that's the area of the field that I would expect them to step up to a little bit more.
I don't know. You know, it's good for all the other ancillary pieces.
But those are the those are the guys that are being drafted right now that I just have even more confidence in.
Mark Andrews missing practice was, quote, a very minor thing.
We believe this stems
from the car accident last week that he was uh mostly unharmed in that was from john harbaugh
justin herbert returned to practice on monday that's exciting news for the uh los angeles
chargers who i believe they're leading the way in the preseason in yards before contact from the running backs.
Before contact?
If you want any evidence that the system is already starting to work.
Wow.
G-Row.
Vidal Sassoon already had a pretty nice game back out on the field.
That's not really a news blurb, but that is a takeaway of where last week
it was all gloom and doom about Kamani Vidal, Sassoon,
a day three rookie running back for the Chargers,
not even making the team, goes out, has a very strong preseason performance,
and now the tune is changing a bit.
Yeah.
Mike Williams, Jets wide receiver receiver planning to take team reps in practice
next week he's one of those players that um you know at some point in the season is going to end
up on the waiver wire list i don't think he's being drafted anywhere but i if you know that
he's going to like they don't have great competition they brought him in to be part of
this offense so i'd imagine at some point someone's
taking a flyer like would you guys you guys probably wouldn't spend the last pick no just
to throw him on ir or something i'd be looking to pick him up like that's the you want to be a week
early or so of when you think when you project that he'll actually start getting things going
it wouldn't be surprised surprising to me if he missed a couple games even if he starts active
it's going to take some weeks before he's really acclimated and then uh one other situation to
monitor at this morning's practice Tyreek Hill was wearing a protective brace on his right hand
did some off field work you know maybe it's just getting used to Tyreek he seems to have
a brace here or brace there and
then he's back the next day but uh it did come through the wire this morning yeah it's a it's
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sleepers Sleepers.
All right, we're moving on to the Sleepers episode, and all of our consensus picks for this category are in the UDK
at ultimatedraftkit.com.
We define Sleepers as players who are drafted later
that you might not know about that are primed to emerge.
And the truth is, is that you don't generally have a sleeper, especially in today, like
at this era of fantasy football, that doesn't have reasons why they are being underdrafted
in our minds, right?
Like there are always a lack of excitement.
It could be an injury.
It could be an injury it
could be a team change there's you know if there's unanimous opinion about a player they're not a
sleeper right they're not sitting at the back of the draft so uh i'll go first today just because
it kind of piggybacks with our news um which this player was in here before we got word that
curtis samuel was banged up.
And that is rookie wide receiver Keon Coleman of the Buffalo Bills.
I saw somebody comment on X tagging us saying, you know,
you talk about Brian Thomas and you talk about Ladd McConkie
and you talk about all of these other rookies
and you don't mention Keon Coleman very often.
I talk about good players.
So there you go there you go um keon coleman has tremendous opportunity the vacated targets in
buffalo outrageous they you know just digs and davis vacated 241 targets this was a player i
just want to stress like that the bills have been a competitive, well-run organization for a number of years.
This was their pick at the wide receiver position.
They had the chance to draft Ladd McConkie or Jalen Polk or Adonai Mitchell or Jermaine Burton,
other guys that went behind Keon Coleman in the draft.
They knew they were missing their alpha in Stephon Diggs.
They knew they were missing their deep threat in Gabe Davis.
They made the choice.
And so give that whatever weight you want.
That was their decision.
He was highly drafted.
You have Curtis Samuel banged up.
You have options that are very unproven.
And, you know, Mack Hollins, this is a guy that makes a splash play here or there
and ends up with 200 to 300 yards.
That's like kind of what
he does right sometimes with shoes on sometimes without Curtis Samuel never eating soup though
Samuel is and has been defined by the head coach a player that they use in a bunch of different kind
of ways he's not a traditional outside route running on every play you know they're going to
use them in the screen game and the underneath game and the handoff game.
Those are things that are going to happen with Curtis Samuel, Don Kincaid. We know what he's got.
The team went out and said, Keon Coleman's our guy. So from a sleeper perspective,
rookie with opportunity with a top five quarterback in the NFL. To me, he's locked in
based on the preseason in the X role.
He's had 100% route participation with the starters.
And now you've got another injury.
So to me, you know, for some reason, like Keon Coleman feels bland
because what he does and brings to the table as a wide receiver,
it's not like Brian Thomas.
There's like
the explosive plays and the big over
the top highlight reel plays.
Keon Coleman
just kind of is well-rounded.
His best profile to me
of what he looks like on the field
and what he's capable of doing is Allen Robinson
at his peak. He's an Allen Robinson type of
player. To me, the opportunity
is there. I do think it'll take him
a little bit more time to settle in.
But from a sleeper perspective, that's okay.
I like taking shots. Brian Thomas,
Keon Coleman, Ladd
McConkie, finding value late in the
draft that have opportunities
like this. Coleman's sitting out there
and look, Coleman could have two touchdowns in week one.
He's a big bodied wide receiver. He's a
competitive catch wide receiver.
And they obviously, they went to him a little bit in the preseason,
isoing him on one side and saying, go beat the guy, a la Allen Robinson.
And so I just think he's being undervalued.
I like this film tremendously.
He didn't test well in the 40.
He was great in the, what's the drill?
The gauntlet?
Great in the gauntlet.
Made an impression on Buffalo.
They went out and got him over those other guys.
So –
I don't mind it.
If people like Mike around you constantly say the guy sucks,
that's why he's where he's being drafted.
No, I do not mind the draft price at all.
Keon Coleman is – like he is to me a rookie that had he been –
if he was being drafted up in like that malik neighbor's range
because that it's one of the things that could have happened you know people overreact to the
the landing destination then it would have been like absolutely not there's no way i'm ever
drafting keon coleman he is directly next to brian thomas yeah he's going wide receiver 43 two rounds
later than than xavier worthy and he is about five or six picks later than McConkie.
The difference to me of Keon Coleman versus Brian Thomas is,
like, if things work for Brian Thomas,
I think he can replace that Calvin Ridley role for the Jaguars,
where it's a heavy target volume.
My concern with Keon Coleman is when I was watching
him as a prospect, he like, if you just watch Keon Coleman highlights from college, he is,
he is a absolute dominator, but his production didn't match with the, with the highlights to me.
And so it was the fear of, well, if he's just Gabe Davis on this team,
maybe he's a better Gabe Davis.
So it's about upside between the two of them,
but going in the 40s of the wide receiver core as a rookie,
this is a player who should be on your target list.
I agree.
He's a great player to take a shot on.
I mean, all the things that historically line up well are there for him, and you've got to take shots
at the end of your draft for explosive upside.
Yeah, I mean, I know a lot of us like Jermaine Burton, right?
But there are some massive, like, even if you like the talent more,
there are so many roadblocks in the way from Burton's impact.
Burton has no possible shot of being the number one target on his team.
That's actually an outcome that could happen for Keon Coleman,
even if it's unlikely.
You could see the path for it.
I always wondered, too, what kind of impact Josh Allen's preferences
might have made in taking that pick.
I mean, this is a guy who's had Gabe Davis and Stephon Diggs for years.
I'd be shocked if this team didn't say,
hey, do you have a player that you like
and that you've seen in college?
So speculation there, but just opportunity
to be a number one target.
I'll jump in here.
Mine is more of a cryogenic type of a sleeper.
We're deep freeze.
Oh, okay. We would have to thaw out, but it's
a name that people need to pay attention to.
Oh, I don't like this. What?
I don't like your name. I just saw it.
He doesn't like it because of the implications. Also, I don't
know what that accent or what
that was.
Go on, Mike.
It's Jalen Wright, rookie
running back for the Miami Dolphins.
Is this a last name thing? Maybe. Oh, Mike. It's Jalen Wright, rookie running back for the Miami Dolphins. Is this a last name thing?
Maybe.
Oh, man, maybe.
It's a good name.
Now that you point it out, now that it's right in front of me,
maybe that's what happened.
He is a bigger running back, but he is an absolute speed freak.
Like, this dude is really fast.
We've been talking about how fast the players on the Miami
Dolphins are, and Jalen Wright is
one of those guys.
Already seen him come through with some
explosive playmaking. He's looked good in the
preseason. 10 carries for 55 yards
and a tutty. He ran a
4... Thank you.
He ran a 4-3-8.
And then you had Mike McDaniel
talking about... McDaniel talking about –
McDaniel, coach of the Dolphins, Jason.
Thank you.
Yeah, you might be thinking Ronald McDonald.
Yeah, not a franchisee.
Head coach of the Miami Dolphins.
He was asked about who are the starters,
and he said, who says we have to stop at two running backs?
Maybe we can just have four.
And talking about how much
confidence he has in Jalen Wright. Look, it is for sure. It is A-chan. At least, look, I say for
sure that's how I'm projecting it. A-chan and Raheem Moster are in front of Jalen Wright.
But why you need to know this name is maybe you're in a deeper league and you need to find really
high upside players that you got to draft. You're
in a 14 teamer and you need someone who's on the bench. Jalen Wright has multiple paths because of
A-Chan and Mostert. Mostert is for a running back. I like to make fun of Adam Thielen. Mostert
should be getting the oldest man voice because he's a running back and he's old.
A-Chan is smaller and we've only seen him for one season and we've seen him get hurt multiple times.
Raheem Mostert has been on the injured list or injury report 14 times in his career.
And Devon A-Chan was three stints last year?
Yeah.
Preseason, midseason, later?
Multiple games missed.
The point being, if one of those guys were to unfortunately miss time,
Jalen Wright would be the hottest pickup of the week,
like a huge fab dump for Jalen Wright,
depending on the amount of time that those guys are going to miss.
It's investing in the Miami backfield.
It's investing in a player who I think he's a rookie,
so it's going to take time for him to learn.
But if it's down to A-Chan and Jalen Wright,
dude, Jalen Wright's going to get so much work,
and he's explosive and can hit those home runs for you.
So it's a name that you need to be aware of.
Maybe you're not drafting him in 12 teams.
Maybe your bench is big, so you are.
Yeah, it's such a good name.
I mean, it really is. I don't yeah it's such a good name I mean it really
is I I don't like bringing up Jalen Wright because I I hope that Devon Achan has an awesome season
yeah you know what it means for him to be relevant yeah right Jalen Wright is good this year that
means Devon Achan probably got injured um or was in too big of a committee or uh yada yada but
the pathways for Jalen Wright we just talked about how historically there are always multiple rookie
running backs who end up in that RB1 territory.
This year going into the season, you don't know who it is.
It's going to be one of these guys that is the benefactor of an injury
in front of them.
And so Jalen Wright has two different guys who have very clear paths
towards being off the field.
Why if one went down?
That's what I mean.
If just one went down.
You have a fork in the road.
It's not just reliant on one player, the superstar going down.
And our note here on Raheem Mostert is the injury history,
it's a CVS receipt.
Oh.
Which we all know what that means.
Yeah, it's not a small amount of paper. No. That's a tree. Many trees. That's a CVS receipt. Oh. Which we all know what that means. Yeah, it's not a small amount of paper.
No.
That's a tree.
Many trees.
That's a tree, yeah.
All right, I've got another running back for my sleeper pick.
I did.
This one?
No, no.
I'm in.
I'm in.
Look, I had, this is full disclosure, I had gone in and I put this guy in with real tiny font
into my sleeper and I was like
nah I can't do it
I'm a coward and then I didn't know that
and then I came and put this guy in
as my sleeper because I ain't no coward
I'm talking about
JK one leg
JK Dobbins running back
for the Los Angeles Chargers
or as they really should be known
the baltimore ravens west because jiro and harbaugh are rebuilding that type of a franchise
that brought over gus edwards and jk dobbins gus edwards has had a lot of discussion over this
offseason the touchdown opportunities he was-digit touchdown guy last year.
He was so good.
Yeah, and this is a team that wants to run the ball.
I didn't even know the whole thing you brought up in the news section
about in the preseason how well this offensive line is working.
They're just going to be able to run, man.
They're going to be able to run.
And this is a one-two punch that has been a one-two punch before for years together,
J.K. Dobbins and Gus Edwards. And it was always that way. It was J.K. Dobbins and Gus Edwards.
It was not Gus Edwards and J.K. Dobbins. J.K. Dobbins was the second round pick. He was the
guy who came in in his rookie season, was a running back two for fantasy and looked great
at the end of the year. And it was like, okay like okay we're all in and then he's been injured since then now he feels he feels like
older than Raheem Mostert he's coming off of an Achilles injury that you know usually for running
backs that just means you wash your hands of them and you just say I'm fine being wrong yeah this is
sleepers are cracking the door open for the possibility that they these these
guys burst through it right like there's a chance yeah however improbable that you have great value
in these names he got injured in week one last year so he's had a a long time you know if you
have to get injured last year you hope it's early in the season week one is the longest time you can
have for recovery to this point people are saying
he's looking healthy he he looks healthy i watched a mic how many legs does it appear that he has one
and a half i think he's got one and a half legs which he we've got 1.5 like we have seen him be
fine with one strong leg he talked about that a couple years ago well so in no no no yes no he was
he really was i know but it did come to bear.
Well, right.
I'm not saying that he's going to be healthy and not get re-injured and all of that, but all of that's baked in already.
He's in the 12th round.
This is not an expensive pick.
I cannot, when you talk about JK two legs, or one leg, sorry, I cannot not think about the uh classic m night shamalan lady in the water
yeah the the strong arm the guy that had one giant arm and one tiny arm yeah i think the
four people that saw that movie with me because that's what it looked like in that's what it
looked like in camp in 2022 when he he plays four games he gets hurt and he misses six weeks he comes back and
he's like it's the adrian peterson hitch run but it is it is so exaggerated he's dragging one of
his legs he's so half of them is so fast and the other one was dragging it was it was unbelievable
um but one of his legs doesn't want to play in the NFL,
and the rest of them does, and they're at war.
Yeah, so in Greg Roman's offense in Baltimore,
just as a reminder, Dobbins averaged 5.9 yards per carry,
and that includes the season when he was recovering from the ACL,
and we coined him JK One Leg.
The positive game scripts should be there for the Chargers. They
have the second easiest strength of schedule, according to Warren Sharp. They've made massive
offensive line improvements, and we talk a lot about you want a guy you can cut after week one
if he's not. I mean, you're going to know week one. Is he the first man up in this office? Is
he playing ahead of Gus Edwards between the 20s?
I know when they get to the goal line, they're going to give it to Gus Edwards.
But if J.K. Dobbins is healthy and looks good,
he's going to be the starting running back for what will be a good offense
that will score a lot of points.
That will never abandon the run.
That wants to run the ball, and you get him for free late in drafts.
And I know he feels old, but he is not.
Who's older, him or Ramondre Stevenson?
That's a joke.
Ramondre.
That's a joke.
Who's older, him or –
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That's true.
I got a better one for you.
Who's older, him or Jalen Warren?
Jalen Warren is a year younger than Ramondre Stevenson.
Are we sure that the one leg
isn't older at least? Well, one of those legs
is 42 years old. Does it have cadaver parts
in there? He is 25
years old.
If he's healthy, which he
says he is, he looks healthy. Well, he said
that last year. We're leaving that alone.
Let everyone else say it. In the 12th round,
he might be one of the steals of the draft.
The Ramondre one is insane. Ramondre looks like
a player in Dynasty. You'd be like, that's a nice pickup. That's a player
I'm going to have for a while. It's an interesting name. Let's take a break and jump
into some mailbag.
Now, an ordinary podcast
would move on at this point from the sleeper section.
I've hit the drop.
We're moving into the mailbag.
But we're not an ordinary podcast.
And sometimes when you are scrolling the show, Doc,
and you notice that Jason has a bonus sleeper pick,
and me and Mike didn't throw any in there,
but Jason's bonus sleeper pick is from the very same team
in which his sleeper pick came from.
I'll tell you what.
You can throw to me right now.
Off the top of my head, I can give you a bajillion better sleepers
than this guy.
So, Jason, I'm reading in here.
This does not – I don't know if this is a typo.
It does say Quentin Johnston.
It does say Quentin Johnston.
Remember me talking about how –
Don't do this to yourself.
Remember me talking about how. Don't do this to yourself. Remember me talking about how.
What a huge decision.
You want to be able to drop a guy in week one.
I mean, Quentin Johnston, we don't know for sure where he is on the pecking order.
He might not be a starter.
However, he was a first round rookie last year who's coming into year two and
could still be the number one wide receiver for this team.
Yep. So I'm just saying that's the
type of pick that... Are you drafting Keon Coleman
or Quinton Johnston? Oh, Keon Coleman. I mean,
Quinton Johnston is basically an undrafted gym.
I haven't seen him drafted in any
of the leagues I'm in
that aren't super deep like best ball leagues.
And so, yeah, I mean
he's either a starter he's going behind
lad and and palmer so i would take a lot of head i would take all those guys here's the adp though
jay duntavian wicks quentin johnston darnell moody adam phelan oh really all those guys yeah
get out of here wow huge huge is the worst of those but he still profiles as someone that could do something.
He's something.
All right, we're moving on.
Mailbag.
Anytime Quentin Johnston is mentioned on this podcast, Papa Josh just lights up because
he, you know.
I think Papa Josh finally dumped him.
I traded that guy away.
Yeah, he's out. Oh, you got rid of him. Yeah, I got rid of him. So we don't have to hype him up. Wasn't he part
of the big dynasty acquisition you made when you sold for the future for a little while
and then you moved him out. What'd you move him for? I don't remember something way better.
Yeah. It doesn't matter. A second and a third and Terry McLaurin, Terry McLaurin. Oh, okay.
You guys co-manage this team, don't you, over there? Yeah, we do.
That's a pretty good trade.
If you've traded Quentin Johnston and Dynasty, you won the trade.
Oh, man.
Oh, man.
Why did I ask?
Yeah, the compensation doesn't matter.
Oh, all right.
Let's jump in.
Will in North Carolina.
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Will in North Carolina says, would you rather have in a 16-team PPR league?
Okay.
So this is a thinned out league.
A.J. Brown and James Cook, so that combination.
Okay. league aj brown and james cook so that combination okay or jonathan taylor and marvin harrison jr
this is an easy aj brown and james cook for me really yeah i'm i'm very very very bullish and
confident on both of those players i do lean that direction i think the consensus opinion would be
you're getting much more of a guarantee
with Taylor than Cook, and then you can debate the Brown-Harrison situation.
But I agree.
I'm on that side.
That's where I go to.
Andrew in Wisconsin says, hello, Ballers, long-time listener.
My question is, is Devon A. Chan worth a first-round pick in a dynasty format?
Nope.
I'm the my guy, and I love him.
But, I mean, if I'm drafting a running back in the first round of a dynasty startup,
which I don't almost ever do,
that running back is going to be named Bijan or Brees.
Otherwise, I'm getting a wide receiver.
You know, if you're newer to Dynasty or you
haven't played in it long enough, running back turnover is just insane. And some of these young,
studly wide receivers, they're going to play twice as long. So I'm usually going into my fourth round,
my fifth round, before I often grab a running back in startup drafts just because I'm building
a foundation for the future.
And then I'll collect the old men at the end of the draft to help me this year,
like the Raheem Mosterts that no one wants in a dynasty league.
So that's just the way that I personally play.
If I'm in the back of the first and I really, really want a running back,
it'd be you're looking at Gibbs because I would take Gibbs over A-Champ.
Who, little update, is expected to practice next
week all right let's go which is delightful all right let's go here larson in alaska
what's up ballers what's up i hear you guys talk about the quote zero rb strategy on the podcast
what exactly does that mean to you guys and what running backs are you
targeting for that type of strategy thanks guys and also hashtag team big shimmy for life
so yeah absolutely zero running back uh it was a strategy that started to gain momentum
i don't know about eight eight years ago maybe even 10, but Sean Siegel, shout out to him.
Just incredible fantasy football mind.
He's the one who got that idea out there.
The concept of zero running back is running backs are more likely to get hurt,
so they're fragile for spending high draft capital.
Meanwhile, wide receivers are more likely to not get hurt,
more likely to hit.
And if you can load up on those types of players
and also including elite tight ends,
which there's more options now for elite tight end,
but back then it was one or maybe two guys,
and if you can secure them,
you're trying to get as many top 24 wide receivers as you possibly
can so that that's the whole idea of it and then that running backs you draft later because the
players in front of them are going to get hurt they gain value over the course of a football
season as opposed to lose value and you're there's tons and tons of options this year it doesn't mean
you draft it's it doesn't mean you draft zero running backs.
It means you're starting your draft with zero running backs.
Gus Bust, Jerome Ford, some of these later round opportunities.
The Cowboys.
Yeah, the Cowboys backfield.
Yeah, you'll start so heavy elsewhere.
You're not going to get your first running back until at least the sixth round,
usually seventh or later.
And then the end of your draft, you're just going to load up on a ton of those guys.
So you can get a couple of either the old guys, if you're in the eighth round of most, what a great starter.
Or Jerome Ford is great because he's going to start the season well.
And then you want to have a couple of those insurance backs as well.
Grab those rookies.
Grab the Blake Corums and the Trey Bensons and the guys that, you know,
an injury in front of them will make a mad dash for the waiver wire
because they'll be great.
Yeah, but you already have them.
And you already have them, and now your team gets stronger
while you've got loaded up studs at L.
And one big hit on any of those changes the dynamics of your team
for the whole season.
Yes, yes.
Another team gets, like, they lose, right?
Like, they're out of the running out, and you are an even stronger contender.
And also we're throwing – like this is – it's more focused on if you're in a PPR
and you're playing – you're starting like three wide receivers and a flex
because you're just – you're loading up on guys who are going to get cheap points.
All right.
I do want to circle back before we close the show down
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So very excited about both of those things. We've got busts and values on tomorrow's episode. We're debuting the take swap on Thursday and a mock draft on Friday.
Jason.
Yes.
Have you reconsidered your bust pick?
Oh, I, I, I.
Please, please.
No, I'm, no, I'm going to stick to it.
Well, but I have reconsidered my Quentin Johnson sleeper.
Oh, okay.
All right.
All right.
He's off the board.
He's off the board.
There's just too many other guys. All right. All right. He's off the board. He's off the board. There's just too many other guys.
All right.
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