Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Stack Attack + Fantasy Blind Spots - Fantasy Football Podcast for 6/29

Episode Date: June 29, 2023

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Hey, this is Patrick Mahomes, quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs, and you're listening to the Fantasy footballers podcast with your hosts andy holloway jason moore and mike right oh welcome in. Thursday, June 29th. Mike Wright, the fantasy hitman himself in the building. Jason Moore, Andy Holloway. Jason's still head bobbing. I liked my intro.

It was like, Mike, the Fantasy Hitman, right? He's here in the building. Jason's here, too. Yeah. And Jason. Yeah. Hey, guys, don't worry about me, okay? You move on. Just talk a little bit more about Mike.

All of your nicknames, they're there for a day or two. Yeah. And they're gone. I could have gone. The Squatch. The Quatch is back or whatever it was. Big Shimmy. Yeah.

Double Stuff. Yeah. Big Gravy. Nothing's really. Big Gravy. That's more. Isn't that around here? Yeah, that's Foosball.

I mean, if you have something. Mike named himself 10 years ago. Actually, I was thinking about this. And I thought of a nickname that I wanted. Like, I want to take it completely forever. The Fantasy Hitman. What do you think? I think I would like that. You're in.

Yeah. So Jason, the Fantasy Hitman. So you're both the Fantasy Hitman. Yeah, I don't have to take it from you mike we'll just share it yeah it's a different i just want some copyright allowance it's like it's like boxing i mean so many boxers have you know like the people's chant yeah or like well sweetness i was thinking of uh walter payton but but there's plenty of guys in boxing who have the same nickname yeah why don't you start the intro over and give us both what we deserve now?

I don't know if I'm supporting this. I might go back to Quach. Okay. Whether you like it or not. If we do that, Jason, then we can be the fantasy hit men. Ooh, together. When we're in the same room. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know how I like that. Welcome into the show. We've got a good quick question for you today. Not a lot of news to talk about. Kind of a lull when it comes to i mean yeah you can only talk about uh hypothetical dalvin cook destinations and deandre hopkin hopkins uh trying to generate more interest money from other teams so many times so we'll just wait for that news to break. But mailbag on the show today, basketball breakdown. We do have a couple of announcements.

One, it's big. Saturday the draft analyzer is out. It'll be available. And it is. I mean, we've upgraded it every year. But it's awesome. We're not only testing it, but using it on our own teams. If you've done any drafts, whether you do a mock draft, you can put it in manually,

or whether you've got a league that's a dynasty league and it's done, or you do a new draft now or in draft season, you can import your rosters from Sleeper, ESPN, or Yahoo, or put them in manually, and it will grade your team. It'll give you what we think, you know, what is the quality of this roster. It'll talk about your strengths, your weaknesses. It'll break it down by position. It'll even tell you which one of us three ballers likes your team the most.

Yeah, based on how we have players ranked. I always find interesting because, and I love this validation in the tool, but every single time that Mike or myself or Andy uses this tool, it's always ourself. I'm like, Jason likes my team the best because, yeah, it's great. Thank goodness. No personal biases at all. It's just facts.

Yeah, I mean, different ways to play. So that's available on Saturday with the UDK+. You can get the Ultimate Draft Kit at ultimatedraftkit.com. And if you have the regular UDK and you want to upgrade so you can access it, very easy to do from your account page. The Dynasty podcast. Oh, baby. Mike tells me yesterday's episode was top 10.

It was excellent. We talked about the top 10 dynasty startup tips. We talked about back in the day when you would read books to try and get a free Pizza Hut pizza. I do remember it. And then I'm going to dap myself up. I came up with a very good analogy

for drafting wide receivers and running backs for your dynasty startup that you don't want to miss. Okay. Check it out, the Dynasty podcast once a week. Borg bets and then one of us on the show. Mike was on yesterday's episode. You can find us on Twitter at the FFBallers. You guys ready for the quick question?

Let's go. Brooks tells me we have a drop for it. Ooh. Stack attack. And we had a drop yeah tasty uh favorite quarterback wide receiver stack to target based on their current average draft position i think the based on current average draft position is very important this year because of the big three awesome quarterbacks last year if you want one of those great quarterbacks who obviously like who wouldn't want a Josh Allen Stefan Diggs stack or a Travis Kelsey Patrick

Mahomes stack or AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts like yeah those are great they're gonna cost you at least two of your first three picks it might be impossible your first two picks yeah you might not actually be able to execute on that just because of how high they get. It is very difficult. So I went with what I have the most of. It's a stack that is, to me, just about the easiest to pull off, and that is the Cooper Cup Matthew Stafford stack because Cooper Cup is someone that I'm willing to take at the 102. I don't think it's crazy to take him at the 101,

but I've gotten him at the 109. As in like McCaffrey's locked in? Yes, McCaffrey to me is the 101. And I would take Justin Jefferson in some leagues or Chase. There's arguments to be made, but my point is Cup is deserving of being the number one pick, but you can sometimes get him late in the first round, usually the middle of the first round.

And so there's a wide area to grab him, depending on where you are drafting. And then Stafford is free. Stafford is so easy to grab. You can grab him a little ahead of ADP if you've got Cup and complete that stack. That's the, I think, more interesting point in that stack is taking the shot on Stafford because of where he's ranked.

I mean, quarterback 24 right now, so it is a choice to opt into that stack versus taking a shot on another quarterback later in the draft. But I think we've been saying it. I'll continue to say it until we have a reason not to. Don't underestimate. You know, Mike brought up Van Jefferson as a, was it value? Yeah.

Yeah, as a value candidate. Or on the sleeper episode. And we haven't really mentioned his name, but Puka has, was he Kyle fifth round pick? I don't remember. I remember it off the top of my head. Fifth round pick. Yeah, fifth rounder. Puka the cow.

So he's been picking up some buzz. Well, that was another thing we talked about on the Dynasty podcast. Puka and Tutu. Yeah. Oh, yeah. As two-year-wide receivers. Teammates. That's fantastic.

Yeah. But there's been a noticeable, at least to me, I don't know if you guys have kind of perceived this, but in the time period of let's elevate, let's puff piece every new player on our team, there's been some high draft capital rookies who I've not heard a single thing about. Now, training camp hasn't started, but you had rookie camps.

You had all these things. You had opportunities for these beat reporters to come out and just pump the jets for these players. But, like, Jaden Reed of the Packers, you heard anything about him? Not much. Because I'm hearing about Romeo Dobbs. Yeah. So the fact that Puka in the fifth round is getting some steam here

as a possible starter for this team, he is a player that you need to keep an eye on now. Yeah, one other rookie wide receiver that's had that is Michael Wilson out of Arizona in terms of actually, you know, when you talk about ones not. Generating some buzz. Generating some buzz. I'm going to follow Jason's stack selection

because I think it's in the same vein in a lot of ways. I like it. And it's the Tyreek Hill to Otunga-Vailoa stack, specifically because you talked about cup. He could go as high as two or three. If you wanted to Tyreek's in that category, just as much as Cooper cup is.

And, you know, we're looking at average apposition in the way that the first round is, is, uh, kind of happening right now. We were looking at our rankings, right?

And Josh Jacobs is our consensus. Number three, running back, but he's not, it's not? And Josh Jacobs is our consensus number three running back. But it's not like he's ranked 3-3-3 among us. It's just that the group beyond basically CMC and Eckler, we have all over the map. I mean, I think your number two running back, Derek Henry, Mike. Is my number 10. Yeah, so the variation between the running backs

means that you don't have this automatic set in stone order that the running backs are going to go. And here you have wide receivers like Chase, Jefferson, Kup, and Tyreek. And you probably put Diggs in that category, but you know what you're getting with those guys. And so if you're going to go with the known commodity and Tyreek Hill, then Tua sitting there, like I know it from years past with Mahomes, but like when you stack Tyreek with a quarterback. Yeah. Oh, good things happen. And good things happen on that week.

But for those two, you don't lose those weeks. And so Tua is really the, yeah, you're taking a gamble with injury, the concussions. At this point, I'm moving forward with Tua, not presuming another concussion, but looking at him like a value in the draft because he's going near the ninth round and I'll make other I'll figure it out if he goes down yeah it's it's worth it's worth pointing out that you know where Tyreek goes you know you are going to be deciding between someone like Tyreek and Stefan Diggs or maybe

even Jamar Chase and the counterpart quarterbacks are going to cost a lot lot more for those other guys than they do for Tua and that that means not only does it cost you more to complete the stack but also lower much much lower probability that you can complete the stack and yeah you don't want to again I it might be worth talking Mike about general stack philosophy this is our favorite quarterback wide receiver stack to target at current ADP, but we're not saying you always go into your draft targeting a stack. Yeah, you don't do that. Did you guys catch the Josh Jacobs recent?

Will I be happy or sad to hear it, Mike, as a dynasty manager of Josh Jacobs? The word holdout has surfaced. Right on. Great. And how many fantasy points do the holdouts produce for my team? Per week, I believe it's zero. Awesome. Right around there.

We're still a ways off from that. I mean, if you want to postmortem on the dynasty trade I made and you just want to listen to how things might not go perfectly, because, look, you have to take gambles in dynasty. Sure. You make attempts to. You make calculated gambles. And so I moved Alvin Cook this offseason before this all happened.

Which that seems like a home run. But I also moved Ramondre Stevenson. And I did a pre-draft. And I moved those two players to get uh josh jacobs and there i mean there were other pieces but josh jacobs and and i think raheem mostert came over and jeff wilson and right now remandre made it through unscathed i mean he looks like he is locked and loaded ready to go or dalvin cook ends up on the patriots and you pulled off an ultimate heist

well yeah or he ends up in miami and jeff wilson and most are disappear i mean these are the hold your breath moments of dynasty leagues but the the quote was yeah let's hear it from pelissero josh jacobs at this point if there's not a long-term deal i don't anticipate jacobs being there at the start of training camp and I don't know that he shows up week one. Well, I'm going to choose to not believe that. We're a long ways away. That's my choice. But that's not great to hear.

They lose a lot of money, though, in the modern day. Oh, yes. Hold that, right? And he's on a franchise tag paying him the big bucks. So him and Saquon, it'll be hard to watch them like how long was Gordon out when he actually did it Melvin Gordon at least a month yeah I think it was I want to say six weeks Mike's got a better memory than I do six sounds but I do know that in the new collective bargaining agreement it is much more difficult you know you used to have

holdouts all the time but you lose a lot of money when you hold out right now. And for a running back to lose money? We're just going to hope he doesn't want to do training camp. That's what we're going to hope. Who wants to do training camp? Practice? Alright, Mike, you've got a stack for us. Also, four games, so congratulations

to me. My stack, it is a little bit more difficult to pull off because of ADP you'll you would need something to bounce it's a back-to-back round stack you would have to bounce it right in your direction but I love the value of Keenan Allen right now as the wide receiver 17 going in the fourth round and I think we're all in on Justin Herbert this year having a bounce back having Kellen Moore come in and be his offensive coordinator, having Quentin Johnston be the third wide receiver

instead of the other guys that they've had to rely on, or even the wide receiver too as Keenan Allen and Mike Williams go in and out of the lineup. But Herbert, to me, of the guys that are not, we talked about the big three. Justin Herbert, to me, is the one who is the least surprising if he ends up making the jump back to being a truly elite difference maker. So that's why I like him and I like that stack.

Stafford could get in there. Tua definitely could. We had a stretch there where it looked like Tua was primed to be a top five quarterback or so. But I think that Herbert can make the jump back up there and go on with Keenan Allen, who was just an absolute target machine once he got back on the field. I think that continues, and we get at least one more year of top-tier Keenan. And before we move on from our favorite stacks,

I think, Andy, you wanted to talk about stacking in general so that the football clan can know, like, should we stack? Do we need to stack? Do we have to stack? And there are, you know, you can win fantasy a number of different ways. You want to go early round this or late round that, you can win both ways. You want zero RB, heavy RB, you can win both ways.

But Matt DeSorbo, one of our great writers, a math wizard, did this incredible study on stacking i taught him everything he knows yes you did yeah yes you did andy thank you um and uh take that matt and he's insulted just listen andy did this great study thank you um on stacking and it was because in best ball it's pretty much widely accepted. You have to have, like, massive explosions. Andy just verbally communicated. DeSorbo was just more like a stenographer. Exactly what happened.

And so when I read Andy's words via Matt DeSorbo, what it was is it really did indicate that even in redraft leagues, even if the players score the exact same amount of points, the fact that the variation comes with higher outputs together, it is actually a value in redraft to have a stack. Now, that does not mean that you reach for these players. You don't go and jackknife it into your draft strategy. Not at all. You don't reach a round or two ahead of ADP. You don't force the issue and grab the stack because stacks are supposed to be good. But it's worth knowing that when you're staring down two quarterbacks

and they're about the same average draft position and you've got their wide receiver one of one of those two guys, that's the difference maker. Grab your stack. Well, and let me paint a different scenario because, Mike, you mentioned that Herbert would be one of those guys that you're not surprised pops into the top three i would imagine the other name there is lamar jackson to me yes like it wouldn't surprise me if lamar jackson now the stack for lamar if it's not mark andrews it's not it's not gonna be it is mark it is mark

andrews but if you are trying to take a shot shot, what I'm saying is if you have Lamar early and then you're late and you're doing the Rashad Bateman, Beckham, Zay Flowers decision-making versus somebody in the same tier in the same eighth round, you might go with the player that has that correlation just for that potential upside. And let me, something we buried at the beginning, I love stacking from a fun perspective. that potential upside and let me something we buried at the beginning. I love stacking from a fun perspective.

I enjoy it when my team is built that way. Mike made a dynasty trade this off season, very much predicated on, I think in part, the enjoyment of combining. I mean, you had Justin Fields, you made a move to get Joe Burrow because you had Jamar chase. It is a very fun way to play fantasy.

So when you have that opportunity and then you have the math that I obviously did and DeSorbo kind of got out there and you have that math to back up its upside, it can be a really attractive draft strategy if you just don't force it. Do you think it is rude

that DeSorbo's name is on that article to you, Andy? No, to me it's like a pseudonym. Okay. All right. So you know. It's a pseudonym, but it's a real person. Right. I love it.

It's not a created fictional alter ego of me. It's just this other guy. Yeah. Yeah. It's a pseudonym of Andy. It's a Harvard educated other guy. Yeah. My pseudonym.

Yes. As I would say. Matt DeSorbo. Yeah. All right. So anything else you guys want to touch on there in the stack discussion? All right. Let's take a quick break, and we'll be right back.

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What a talent. Yeah. And welcome to the team, his brother. Yeah, that's exciting. And a bunch of new riders. Check them out. Make sure you follow him on Twitter. Five?

Five new riders? Five new riders joining the team. Joining the family. And that's a competitive Five new writers joining the team, joining the family. And that's a competitive. They're joining the hitmen. Oh, gosh. See, the only comfort I have from this whole bit is that your nicknames last a day. Right. And then we move on.

So this show will have it. This show, I'm the fantasy hitman. And next show, I'll be something different. It's kind of a pseudonym, I would say. Right, exactly. We might need a Jason nickname shirt. Oh, that's just all my nicknames? Yes.

I mean, we have all, like, every year we come out with- It's just this face in the middle with all of the nicknames. I'm going to make a note. All right. Yeah, okay. You ready for the mailbag? Let's go. Mailbag. Mailbag. Yeah. you ready for the mailbag let's go mailbag Jason nickname shirt

all right hopping into the mailbag we have best ball breakdown coming up as well if you have a question for the show you can head to the website the fantasy footballers.com click that submit a question button or you can dial our voicemail hotline 302-464-TFFB.

Let's jump into a voicemail question. Hey, Ballers, huge fan of the show. Just wondering about Jarek McKinnon with the Chiefs. They did re-sign him, and yet he seems like he's not even being drafted in mock drafts. So just wondering if you should try to pick him up uh as one of your last picks on your bench or maybe wait and see uh if he's still on waivers thanks have a good one yeah so the question is you know relevance of jerek mckinnon after the strong finish to last year i agree with the caller like he has not been talked about enough this offseason

it does seem to me like knowing what the Chiefs do, Andy Reid, confidence levels at running back, this is probably a big fantasy blind spot because when you're coming off a title that he played a huge role in and teams play the players they trust, they brought him back, I don't think consistency is something you're going to be able to look at from maybe any of the running backs in Kansas City. They throw, I mean, Jason's brought it up repeatedly. They throw so much around the goal line.

So that kind of like automatic situation is gone. And, you know, Clyde Edwards or Lair will be back. That is, to me, the most interesting point for Jarek McKinnon. Jarek McKinnon's been pretty valuable two years in a row towards the end of last year he was unbelievable and it was in the passing game around the goal line receiving touchdowns in fact his last 16 games he he had a 17 game pace of 22 receiving touchdowns which obviously uh is impossible for anyone let alone a running back. But that stretch of games, weeks 13 through 18, Clyde Edwards-Zeller wasn't there.

He played through and then I think he was out starting week 12. So it correlated exactly when Clyde was gone, where Jerick McKinnon went from a piece of the offense to an important piece of the offense. RB1, RB21, RB6 in the playoffs. In fact, an article on ESPN talking about some of the players standing out at each camp mentioned another running back in Kansas City, Dineric Prince. So you do have a crowded backfield.

But he was successful, right? Like this was a success. It wasn't a de facto, oh, man, we wish Clyde was in there, and he would have been. Like Clyde hasn't been that level of a success. So depending't a de facto, oh, man, we wish Clyde was in there, and he would have been. Clyde hasn't been that level of a success. So depending how it shakes out, I would take a late-round flyer on Jarek for sure. Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure. Maybe you're less bullish.

I'm personally less bullish. If this is underdog best ball where you're going 18 rounds, absolutely, he should be drafted. But if you're talking about your home leagues, your redraft leagues, I think there's probably better options because Pacheco should be back he had off-season surgery I think it was his ankle but he should be back Clyde should be back the new rookie coming in and they waited to sign Jerick McKinnon until after the the NFL draft I think they see value in him but he wasn't like necessarily a guaranteed part of their plans I

I believe they wanted uh Jameer, and when they didn't get him, they're like, okay, McKinnon, you're back. I mentioned on a recent show, we were talking about Austin Eckler overperforming at touchdowns, how running backs usually have a rushing touchdown for about every 135 rushing yards or so. Well, if you want to look at that for receiving yards, a running back looking at the entirety of the position, they score a touchdown on about every 189 receiving yards.

Last year, Jarek McKinnon had 512 receiving yards and nine touchdowns. That puts his touchdown scoring pace compared to average at a 331%. I still think. it is not a sustainable thing i think i'm in on him yeah i do i you know 31 well like are you i i i just i know that the trusted players on this team is a short list in the passing game let me give it to you travis kelsey jerek mckinnon like you had juju smith schuster he's departed so you still have so we're going to talk about rashi rice and we're going to talk about sky more i'm going to talk about uh the name i'm forgetting coming over from new york cadareous tony well no but trust and cadareous tony are not corollary he came from

richie james Richie James. Thank you, Kyle. Marquez Valdez-Scantling. Yeah, this is what I'm saying. Like, from that, we saw it with Damian Williams. Yes. If you have trust in the passing game with a player, I'm not saying that you guys are going to be wrong.

I'm just saying I think I buy into the fact that he could be a player that you take at the end of your draft and you're starting by week two every week. I can see the path because you saw it happen last year. But again, just highlighting, the takeover for Jarek McKinnon happened basically identically when Clyde Edwards-Alaire was out. And Clyde had that role to start the year. You had three catches, four, five. And Clyde Edwards, his overproduction at the beginning of the year

was all touchdowns as well. So I can see the path, and it's nothingness. You know, it's a really, really low opportunity cost pick. So maybe. I guess it does have to do with your confidence that Clyde will get worked back in and that there will be confidence. Like, I don't know. Is this guy fourth on the depth chart?

Is he two? I don't know that right now. And so another camp battle to watch. I think Clyde will be worked back in. The problem for Clyde is not that he's a bad player. It's that the Chiefs set themselves up for the expectations of, this is a first-round running back. And then he didn't have the skill or the talent level

to be a first-round running back, more like a third-round guy. So if they had drafted him the third, I think everything on Clyde has completely changed. I bet you wouldn't have him on your dynasty team. Oh, no, I would have Jonathan Taylor on my team. You're right. It'll be... The truth is that backfield is going to be messy.

Jason, you haven't had a lot of confidence in Pacheco as a draft selection either because of the same reasons. This is a questionable decision, Brooks, on this next mailbag question. You allowed a question from a Twitter handle, cabbage farts. I like it.

Who amongst us has not had cabbage farts? I try to keep those to a minimum due to not eating cabbage. Oh, what? Oh, I love cabbage. You're a big cabbage guy. Oh, I love it. Cook that up. Cooked cabbage is gross. No, no. Oh, what? Oh, I love cabbage. You're a big cabbage guy. Oh, I love it. Cook that up. Cooked cabbage.

It is gross. No, no. Oh, Hawaiian food? Wait, so we've got one cabbage guy on the show? That could be your new nickname, Big Cabbage. Oh, yeah. There you go. He's the hit man.

Yeah, I'm the fantasy hit man. I do have to find a new name. You're Big Cabbage? Oh, you guys are wild. Cabbage Patch Kid? Get the Hawaiian barbecue chicken on the cabbage with the broccoli. And then you end up with a Twitter handle like this. Yeah, you get the farts.

Full PPR keeper question. Cooper Cup in the third, Chris Olavi in the seventh. Ooh, interesting. There's no way I'm not taking Cup. Yeah, Olavi, it's now like. If you had said Cooper Cup in the first, Olavi in the seventh, does it change? Probably. I think then I think it changes then because you could potentially still draft Cooper Cup in the first with your first round pick that you retain I was gonna go the other way like how far back

does Olave have to go is and is there I don't think there is I don't think there's a far enough back if if Chris Olave was there for a 16th round I mean the difference between a 7th and a 16th the 7th isn't you know the, the players there, they're okay. You're going to have some hits, but you're going to have a lot of misses there. This is really about having the potential number one wide receiver in all of fantasy, a game breaker, and getting him for a third round pick.

So, yeah, it is definitely Cooper Cup in the third. Mike is bringing me perpetual life with his Chris Olave adoration. I am in. I tried to get him in our Dynasty League. Did you? I did. It didn't work. Not get him.

I did not trade for him. All right. Okay. So we're all going Cooper Cup there. Yeah. A couple of IR rules questions. YouTube question. How many IR spots should there be on a 12-team league?

Two. Two. Okay. Two. Yeah. Sometimes you just need one or two. Sometimes that's just the answer. YouTube question.

Last year, one of my players was suspended, and I could not put him on IR. Your thoughts? That's how it works. Yeah. The NFL can't either. A suspension is not an injury. Right. That would be great. I'm injured

when they're suspended. I'm emotionally hurt and it hurts my team. We've played on several different platforms and we had a year where I think it was on NFL. One of the platforms. We could put suspended

players in the IR and it felt gross. Yeah, real dirty. I mean, I did it. For sure. If the platform lets you, you've got to do it. Yeah, you play to the rules that your platform has, but I don't think a suspended player should be able to put in a spot

designed for someone who has sustained an injury. And most leagues don't allow it, which means decisions on players like Alvin Kamara this offseason will become more complicated if we get clarity. If he's missing two games, three games, whatever it is, maybe it's none. But if he's missing time, your decision in the draft isn't just like, I get to wait. It's do I get to wait and lose a bench spot?

And the first few weeks of the year when you're picking up waiver wire players, you're taking flyers, you're costing yourself something. That was the Hopkins decision last year. Right, six weeks. weeks is you had to carry him and that was a long time by week four you're like honestly the Hopkins you're killing me if you're gonna do it with a player suspended that long just let somebody else carry him for about four of those weeks and then go and trade for them and pay the price for about two all All right, question from Instagram at Roco says, thoughts on Adam Thielen for the upcoming season? I laugh because I expected to hear like a groan.

Yeah, cabbage farts is what you would expect to hear in response to how we're feeling about basically 33-year-old Adam Thielen. He got some quiche. He got some quiche. He some quiche i am 14 million guaranteed super happy for him he's very well competition is nothing no he he very well might be the number one wide receiver for this team i would expect him to be i have him statted to be the number one wide receiver and that's just not that valuable over under 800 yards under under over under 700 yards. Under.

I can say like 10 yards and Mike will be like, meh. He will not be the number one. Jonathan Mingo will be the number one wide receiver on this team. Wow, that's not going to happen. I think Adam Thielen will be consistently targeted. If Adam Thielen goes out and does what he did last year, 70 for 716 and 6. He won't do that. He won't do that? No.

I have him. There's got to be a bet here. Yeah, if you're pro-feeling, you can find a bet. The Hitmen are on the other side. The Hitmen. We took a contract. 650 yards receiving? I've got him under that.

I've got him at 632. Michael will certainly be in on this. Receiving yards. No, no, no, no. That's not the line. You don't get to move it all the way down to where I have him ranked. 700. I don't feel 100% sure about that.

700 yards is not a good season, to be clear. For fantasy. I'm aware. If he gets 701, that's a bad season, and that's the line. I'm excited for a spurt from Adam Thielen in the beginning of the year. I'm not as excited about the back half of the year where he has perennially disappeared. Let me see. I gave him 788.

Okay, so 700. And Chark is there, right? 690. 699, and I'll take it. Oh, my gosh. We'll go 700. Water bet. I do not really want to be betting on Adam Thielen.

And yet you have done it. I have done it. Also in my Dynasty League. Oh, there it is. There it is. And the truth shall set you free. There are bets you can make to be optimistic about an outcome you want.

There are bets you can give yourself optimism and lose that money all over the place. They call those bets AROBs. You AROB yourself. It's like a robbery. Yep. All right. Who?

You still got him? Unfortunately. I believe I asked our league yesterday if they. Yes, you did. Over under 250 yards this year for A-Rob. I forget. I think you can get over that. He's on the Pittsburgh Steelers, everybody.

Yeah, I forget. We've been talking a lot about Deontay Johnson, and I brought up the fact that they lost Chase Claypool, and I forget that Al Robinson is there. You should have given me 650. The underdog line for Theon is 575. Ooh, you took a bad bet. Why would you pay a guy with that line?

$14 million guaranteed? I guess you have it to spend. Because you don't have a choice. Yeah, you don't have any white outs. And nobody wanted to come. Yeah, Allen Robinson's Dynasty trade value is currently in dirty diaper range. That's about where. Yeah, not even clean diapers. Nobody even offered me one.

And I was looking for one. You wanted a dirty diaper. I would rather have it. Because then you could just throw that away, but you don't know how to get rid of Allen Robbins. I don't know how to get rid of it. I mean, I guess I could do the vindictive drop to waivers. But if you do that, you've got to screen record.

Yeah, that's fair. It would be a nice social experiment. I wonder. Oh, he's getting picked up. Oh, yes, he will get picked up. But for how much fab? Over, under $15. Oh, yes, he will get picked up. But for how much fab? Over under 15. Oh, I assumed it would be for free.

Okay. It'll be over 15. Someone always makes a mistake on Allen Robinson. You're talking about a player that finished at 24 in week two, 14 in week six, and 17 in week 11? His consistency rating across those three games was outstanding. So he turned it on. He needed Baker Mayfield.

Oh, my gosh. These numbers. 12 yards receiving, 7 yards receiving, 12 yards receiving, 24 yards receiving. What's his snap count, though? Probably didn't play hardly any. We're going at an average of 91%. It sucks! How did that happen?

I don't know, man. He got one of them invisibility cloaks once he ran the route. Oh my gosh. It's not like Cooper Cupp got hurt, right, and gave him an opportunity mid-season. Wow. That didn't work out. I'm sorry, everybody. I have him on my dynasty team because I decided to put my money where my mouth was.

Kyle, he ranked 10th in routes run on the season? No. That's not possible. No, through the first six weeks. Oh, first six weeks. Okay, okay. Number one in end zone targets for the first six weeks. Okay, wow.

That's what made it so painful. Wow. The end zone targets were coming first six weeks okay wow that's what made it so painful the end zone targets were coming and then they were going yeah brutal next question brooks we got time for another one yeah let's get one more instagram question from mr fantastic ffb is james cook a mega sleeper or will damian harris be too involved uh i think I think he's a mega sleeper. Oh, really? I absolutely do. I do too, but I was sure you were on the other side. No, we both have him ranked significantly higher than Mike does.

I think James Cook can run away with the job. If you live in the world that you do, Jason, where you believe that Devon A. Chain, despite his stature, can be a predominant, valuable fantasy asset in the AFC East on a team with other backs you have to believe in the world where James Cook can do that too and I do now James Cook does not have the juice that A-chain has oh he's got juice baby he does I mean last year he had a pretty good season he averaged 5.7 yards per carry had a a lot of explosive runs. He obviously was behind Devin Singletary, and it wasn't until the end of the season where you started to see him get more involved,

get 56, 41, 43% of the snaps. Because the first part of the year, I mean, you're talking about a guy who wasn't really playing 3% of snaps, 18, 14% of snaps, 5% of snaps. He wasn't involved, and he was a rookie. But what you saw on film when given the opportunity was a lot of explosive plays. I could see two things happening this year. I could see Damian Harris, who I believe is just a really good running back. Yeah, I think he's good. He's just a solid veteran running back. I could see him being the number one for this team the way Devin Singletary was,

and then they kind of use James Cook as that change of pace speedster smaller back, kind of like they did at the end of last year. If that happens, neither one are going to be valuable. Or James Cook is the guy that they drafted in the second round to be their starter, and they brought in Damian Harris to back him up. If that happens and they give James Cook the opportunity, I think he's going to crush. I think he's going to be really, really electric. You're not going to be able to stack the box against him,

and if you give him a lane, he can be gone. He's very, very good at finding a place to be as a check down for Josh Allen. I think that is the secret sauce that will get him and keep him on the field. How productive that is, if you're great at that between the 20s and you don't get to score touchdowns, that is a problem. Do you think Devin Singletary or Damian Harris is a better running back? Devin Singletary. Yeah, so I think that too.

I think Singletary's a little bit better. I think they're both going to play that role fine. But, yeah, mega sleeper for me, absolutely. And it hasn't been very valuable like singletary would have his games every once in a while but it hasn't since 2018 as a team bills running backs have ranked 26th 23rd 30th 30th 31st in total fantasy points like they're just there hasn't been any level of consistency i have have it ranked that... I mean, it was not surprising at all to see the Bills immediately scoop up Damian Harris,

who they played twice a year for a few years, and Damian Harris made them look foolish on multiple occasions. Was he ever active on those games? Harris? No, I'm wondering how he was just banged up so often yeah which that's that's fair but I think that Harris is very good and he profiles more as the

1a and I think James Cook is the secondary option yeah you have some teams that are going to be very good in AFC East who's running back rooms right now are not I mean you these two players are the 8th and 10th round. Damian Harrison and James Cook. They're both potential values.

And then you look at Miami. We haven't got through a mock draft where their current starter isn't maybe not drafted. Stop saying that. Jeff Wilson is not their starter. No, Raheem Moser is their starter. Nope. I mean, yes, he is.

Nope. It's A-Chain. Jeff Wilson is good. You don't need A-Chain to be the depth chart starter to do everything you think he can do. That is true. But by midseason, he'll be the starter, unless Dalvin Cook signs.

That's what I mean. And then Dalvin Cook could also go to New York, which you've probably got incantations and candles and all sorts of prayers. I didn't even hear what you said because I blocked that out so hard. You don't even respond. I have that muted in real life. It didn't show up on my timeline in life. All right, let's move on.

Basketball Breakdown, presented by Underdog Fantasy. All right, every week right now we are jumping into Best Ball Breakdown, taking a look at some different topics in best ball, and we wanted to dive into a specific round, a little bit of an ADP price check. Look at round five in best ball drafts. And, you know, you've kind of got your studs in the first four rounds. Roster construction is taking form.

What are you looking for from picks 49 to 60, that fifth round? Got some names out there that, you know the current ADP Christian Kerr Justin Fields Hawkinson Mixon Ayuk Walker Aaron Jones Herbert Godwin Dobbins Hollywood Kittle that's the names that are in that range right now so what is the target and what does your exposure look like to those names so I'll jump first. My target is going to depend a little bit upon my roster construction. I'm in this range. I'm usually taking another running back or wide receiver more often than not a wide receiver, just depending on, on, on how my team is built. If I grabbed two running backs early, then I'm, then I'm focused on wide receivers here. If not, then I'll go running back. But when I look at my exposure, there's two players I really like

and one player I have a lot of in this range. The player I have a lot of is Joe Mixon. Joe Mixon is in this range because it is not a 100% locked and loaded guarantee that he is on the Bengals to start the season. There's still some personal issues in the air i i put it at 98 that he's the bangles week one starter i i don't believe that this super bowl contending team has any other choice that's the biggest compelling argument in that favor because you always say watch what the

team does so what did they do yeah where's their option running back in the fifth round yeah fifth round running back while letting samajay p ryan go and so if the if the season p ryan if the season were to start tomorrow or or this sunday and drafts were right now, Joe Mixon is not in this range. And that's why I like taking advantage of that. The wide receiver that I target here, because he's very, very low. He's the 59th player off the board as Marquise Hollywood Brown without DeAndre Hopkins. I think he's going to have a phenomenal season. Eventually, Kyler will come back.

Best ball you get the entire season. You're going to have a phenomenal season. Eventually, Kyler will come back. Best ball you get the entire season. You're going to get all 18 weeks. So I really like Hollywood Brown and Joe Mixon, which is pretty high in my exposure. Yeah, I'll throw out Justin Herbert's name. He's in the middle of this bunch of picks. We've talked about him extensively this offseason, but the upside there, see the you see the

quarterbacks go so early in these basketball leagues wanting to have a stud if you didn't take one roster construction wise here's your chance to get maybe the last upside stud and then I'll bring up Brandon Ayuk a player that you know earlier this offseason the muddied water of San Francisco the receiving game Brock Pur, things are positive right now. I think Brandon Ayuk, you know, take it for what you will, hype train out of camp. The reports have been unbelievable. And I think this is the year.

I think this is the opportunity. We already had, you know, 70 receptions over 1,000 yards last year. I think you're going to get into the 80s on receptions. I think you're going to be in 1,100, 1,200-yard 1200 yard range and if you get 9 10 touchdowns on a team that profiles as the nfc east one of their biggest competitors i'm starting to rise on him so i am actively targeting him at this at this value sure and i'm assuming that i've taken a bunch of wide receivers early as that's what i would prefer to do in best ball and because I'm going for absolute ceiling here assuming I need a running back Jason I think you are totally right if we know that Joe Mixon is the week one starter like as we get into August he'll jump third round

he'll jump probably jump into the third maybe even the back the second we'll see but to me Joe Mixon is I think his floor is pretty safe but I'd it would take uh just some things to swing right in his direction specifically just a whole bunch of rushing touchdowns for him to make the the leap the leap to be elite meanwhile this guy is he's clamoring he's trying trying to get paid, so he has his own stuff around him. But J.K. Dobbins, of this group of running backs that we have listed, he would surprise me the least if you're like, at the end of the season, the top five running backs are this, this, this, and J.K. Dobbins. I think he is that good.

That means you have to have 15, 16 touchdowns in his range of outcomes. I think that he can be like a 12, 1300 rushing yard guy and then right around the double-digit touchdowns. And he hits breakaway touchdowns all the time where Mixon will have to get – the team will have to get down to the five and then he'll have to fall in where Dobbins can do it from literally anywhere on the field. With one leg or two.

Yeah. Yeah, but, yeah, JK2L here, if we got two legs this year, then he will not be stopped. It's just not the biggest compliment you could pay a guy, that he has both of his legs functioning. Yeah, but he did it with one leg. Yeah, he had one strong leg, and he was dominating. Now, if it's JK1 leg, that feels like a compliment

because he's doing something great with less than. Well, but JK two legs is going to be like electric. Yes, he'll be like his rookie year. No one will stop him. I mean, okay. He's got two of them. Okay, all right. Two strong legs.

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