Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Starts of the Week + Week 12 Breakdown, Jacobs Worries? - Fantasy Football Podcast for 11/20

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

Fantasy Football show for Nov 20, 2025. It’s football time! Matchup previews and Week 12 start/sit decisions on today’s episode! Plus, Starts of the Week, injury updates, and more. The fantasy foo...tball playoffs are coming! Get prepped and set your fantasy football lineups for Week 12. Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.(00:00) Intro(05:10) NFL News(10:25) Starts of the Week(19:10) Fantasy Forecast(19:30) Steelers at Bears(25:20) Patriots at Bengals(28:20) Giants at Lions(31:55) Vikings at Packers(39:30) Seahawks at Titans(45:10) Colts at ChiefsConnect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast With your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. This football time, yeah. Yeah, baby. It's football time. Not too shabby, the pinch hitter. It's three-quarters football time.
Starting point is 00:00:42 We got two defenses that are going to come to play, and we got one offense that will come to play. What is football time then? Like a full-on, like... Yeah, it's just like a good team against good team. An offensive... Actually, full football time, it doesn't have. have to be a good team against good team. Because this is good team against good team.
Starting point is 00:01:00 Right. Football time is good offense against a good offense. That's it. That's it. I thought, see, here I was thinking it was just there was a game tonight. Yeah. We've gotten greedier. Silly me. Welcome in Thursday, November 20th at the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Jason Moore is here. Jay Gris in the house. Probably, probably have a lot of public demand for Jay Gris's drops. So just do it. he's been waiting that hits hard I'm Andy Holloway
Starting point is 00:01:38 welcome in one and all starts of the week the fantasy forecast today interesting news to talk about it is our League of Record trade deadline day which what we do is we end up
Starting point is 00:01:53 kind of extending the deadline a lot of league formats just like they end at the end of the week and what we do is we kind of extended a few extra days and we make the deadline the kickoff of Thursday night football so you can have some excitement right, right?
Starting point is 00:02:09 All leading right up to kickoff? Until the beginning. The beginning of the kickoff is, you know, the beginning of the games that week, it's over. It's almost there though. Final trades being made. Some weird ones in our league. So we'll see what happens in yours.
Starting point is 00:02:25 And one thing some people have been asking about Jason. We mentioned it on the footcast yesterday, but if you're in the Megalibol, in years past, we used to lock rosters in the playoffs and you couldn't sign waivers. That doesn't happen anymore. No, no. Now it is. People have been asking, what's the date? No, what's
Starting point is 00:02:41 the date? It's coming up here. It's the same as every normal league. It's week's 15, 16, 17. For the playoffs. The teams, if you're in the top six seeds in your league, you will be in the playoffs. You can check all the standings at megalobole.com. Just scroll down, click Megalibol standings, and then you'll see if you're in once the playoffs
Starting point is 00:03:00 arrive. I mean, you should already know because the top six are in. But as the weeks progress through the playoffs, you could see your score against everyone else's score. Top half, move on to the next week. Top half, move on to the next week. And then the champ is crowned. Whoever scores the most. And then they play in the listener league. That's right. So that'll be fun. We want to remind you, head over to join the foot.com. If you want to be a part of this fine fantasy football community. The trade analyzer is up and available going right up
Starting point is 00:03:30 to trade deadlines or if you're in dynasty leagues and stuff that's going to be useful all off season long. You've got the premium in season tools. You got the extra episode of the show every week. You got the ultimate dashboard to optimize those lineups going into the playoffs. You got the waiver wire tool that will sync with your
Starting point is 00:03:46 specific league and show you who is available on your waivers. I didn't tell you this, but I've already had some people in our league trying to start Strong army into trades because of the trade analyzer. Yeah? Yeah. They're like, you say this is good.
Starting point is 00:04:00 One of the comments was, it says heavily in your favor. So this is not an official offer, but would you do it? Oh. One of those. It's not a strong arm if it's not an official offer. Well, yeah. I mean, there have been more. But check it all out.
Starting point is 00:04:15 Join thefoot.com. Become an official supporter of this fine independent podcast. And, you know, you'll make Al Borland happy over there because his record won't right now. that's true but I do have this cool trophy you can't set up the fan you keep it so close to you that's right why do you keep your trophy so close it's under my pillow at night too oh my gosh that's an uncomfortable
Starting point is 00:04:37 do you buckle it up when you drive it back and forth from work of course okay he buckles that but not himself oh I know that he buckled he buckles the seatbelt yeah before he gets in and then sits on it so it doesn't beep yeah we're also setting everything up for another face off between you and I next year we're both Oh, okay. Going into the draft, really pick heavy with great keepers. Yeah, you've done some good work there.
Starting point is 00:04:59 I still have some hopes that you get watered this year. We're going to talk news. News and notes from Around the League. Presented by Progressive Insurance. I was just totally goofing yesterday when I was like, maybe pick up, you know, Keon Coleman. No, you were goofing. I was just a goofing. Speaking of goofing.
Starting point is 00:05:21 Yeah. They might have goofed on the draft pick. Keon Coleman is expected to be a healthy scratch for a second consecutive week. Do you mean they goofed because they took Keon Coleman ahead of Ladd-McConkey? That is what I mean. Oh, okay. Yeah, that seems like a- I feel like if you put Ladd on the Buffalo Bills right now.
Starting point is 00:05:36 Oh, my gosh. He would be Stefan Diggs when he was on the Buffalo Bills. They'd be glad. Yeah. But, no, they're not happy right now. No Dalton Kincaid, no Kean Coleman. So maybe we'll get some shavers tonight, right? Honestly, you might.
Starting point is 00:05:49 It's an interesting name. If you're playing DFS or something tonight? Yeah, I mean, I feel like the Keon Coleman, healthy scratch for a second week means you didn't respond well to the first week. Right. You didn't do anything that was expected of you to get back out there and say, hey, whatever late to meetings, whatever thing happened, you're like, you doubled down on like, nothing's wrong. And you know what? And it's speculation. I'm not saying I know the answer.
Starting point is 00:06:15 Here's what we do know. They're benching him again. So it's one of two things. It's either on Keon Coleman or it's on the bills, meaning it's on Keon Coleman. He didn't respond the right way. He, you know, threw a bigger fit, whatever it was. Or the bills looked at the film and said, we just put up 44 points. We liked these guys and how they were participating in the offense better than what we have when we have Keon Coleman.
Starting point is 00:06:37 And that might be the reason too. Might have just been a flat demotion. There was another Coleman with high hopes that once got benched for similar situations. And his name was Corey Coleman, if you recall, who played for Cleveland and then played for Buffalo. I think for a little while and never never became what he was supposed to be one of the great bust picks in the NFL history
Starting point is 00:07:01 Lamar Jackson did not practice on Wednesday ankle injury will monitor that he didn't practice last week either although I don't think it was an ankle so he's going to play yeah they just pick a body part for Wednesday Isaiah likely the calf didn't practice the Rams placed Tyler Higby
Starting point is 00:07:17 well what are you laughing at over there it just sounded like you said his calf didn't practice but the rest of it. Yeah, he left. He didn't use one calf. Tyler Higby went to IR with the ankle injury. David Nujoku didn't practice on Wednesday, probably maintenance on the knee. The Cardinals did open up the 21-day window
Starting point is 00:07:38 for running back Trey Benson, who was limited on Wednesday. I did watch some of that film. I did as well. I don't imagine he'll be out there this week. He will not be. He's not going to play, but he was at least on in pads.
Starting point is 00:07:51 He was making some cuts. He looked pretty good, so certainly someone that should be rostered in all leagues. If for some reason he is on your waiver wire, pick him up, he will be an important starting running back on an offense that's moving with Brissette and that needs, I mean, really, if you put the three running backs together for the Cardinals, it's been good numbers for their running game. It's just you don't know if it's been demarcato, no, he's injured, Michael Carter, no, he's, it's Bam Knight. They need Trey Benson. and so when he comes back, he's going to be very valuable down the stretch. I agree. Bayshald Tut and Travis E.T.N. Limited on Wednesday,
Starting point is 00:08:25 Brian Thomas Jr. as well for Jacksonville. The big news that I don't see in here, but I think is kind of the biggest headline news of all, is Joe Burrow has not been ruled out this week. As of this recording, as of any
Starting point is 00:08:41 news that I can find, you're a full practice on Wednesday when Joe Flacco is limited. Why are you doing? I think he might play. I'm starting to think he might as well. It's funny. I was talking to someone yesterday and he was saying, hey, you know,
Starting point is 00:08:57 the full practice participant for Burrow and I'm like, well, yeah, but I don't expect him to start yet. Then it was like, Joe Flacko's limited. So Burroughs playing all the reps with the first team it's not It's at least possible. Yeah, it's at least possible.
Starting point is 00:09:14 Now, I don't know if his first game back wants to be the game where he doesn't have Jamar Chase. Of course, from Burrough's perspective, I'm sure he's thinking, if we don't have Chase, I've got to be there for this game. Oh, I mean, every game right now is do or die for that team for any chance of the playoffs. Buck Irving Limited for Tampa, Chris Godlin. Very limited. I was watching. He wasn't in pads. Those guys aren't playing this.
Starting point is 00:09:35 No, no, no. And then a bunch of players got sick in Tampa, basically, Baker, Mayfield, a mecca, a big boo, and a bunch of offensive linemen all out due to illness. Ooh. So they shared some tenderloin or something. Been there, brothers. And we'll cover some other injury situations. There's some running backs that we don't know what's going to happen. We'll do all that during today's matchup breakdown.
Starting point is 00:10:00 So that was news and note, sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote today at Progressive.com. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and third-party insurers, not available in all states or situations coverage subject to policy terms, limits and conditions. Before we get into the matchups, let's talk starts. Starts of the week. Presented by Tostitos.
Starting point is 00:10:23 Well, well, well, Jason, it's time for starts of the week. I have a rookie platter. I saw that this morning. You're going all rooks. This is the time of year where the rookies come to help win championships. Yeah, I wasn't necessarily trying to head that way. And then I ended up with a few starts that were rookies. And then I got the news.
Starting point is 00:10:45 I had golf in as my start of the week. He was my streamer. I'd love to give another name. And then you see the positive practice report. Limited practice for Jackson Dart. I like it. And Jackson Dart will take on Detroit this week. So that's the golf versus Jackson Dart.
Starting point is 00:11:01 I like both sides of it. You like Jackson Dart right now in seven starts. He's averaging 23 fancy points of game. He rushes for 45 yards. I did happen to catch the, did you ever see the conversation between him and Gruden? Oh, yeah, where he basically called the perfect shot. I said, I want you to change your play style because if you keep doing this, you're going to end up injured or in the Kukasha Protocol. And then that video goes around while he's in Kikasha Protocol.
Starting point is 00:11:28 Yeah, and like Gruden was brutal. He's like, this is stupid. So hopefully that changes. But he's been great for fantasy. I'll go with Jackson Dart as my start of the week. I like it. I like it because I think people are worried with that first game back, but it's not a soft tissue issue. So I'm not worried about that.
Starting point is 00:11:44 I'm going with Brock Purdy as my start of the week versus Carolina on Monday Night Folk. football. Brock looked great. He's had three starts this year. Two plus touchdowns in each of them. He was the quarterback six this last week. And the Panthers, they can't rush the pass. Their 31st in pressure rate from a clean pocket right now, the 49ers per D.E is pretty good. Nine yards per attempt. That's third best in the NFL tie with Drake May for ninth in fantasy points per dropback. The drop back. Yeah, I was under what that was. The 49ers have 27.8 implied team total, fifth highest of the week. It's an environment that I think is good for Brock,
Starting point is 00:12:22 and he's at home on Monday night football. Even his little profile picture right there doesn't dissuade you? No, no. It looks a little. Looks a little like a weird toy. Like a weird toy. Yeah, like a, yeah, that's just not a normal smile. All right, Trayvion Henderson's my running back start of the week.
Starting point is 00:12:40 Mike isn't here. He needs somebody to step up in his absence. Stay in the flames. Even if Remandre returns, it's about, the matchup as well. Cincinnati. That'll work because their rushing defense is pooh-pooh. It's a lot like they're passing defense. Right. They compete. Yeah. But 31st in expected points per rush, 31st in rushing yards per game. The Bengals, like they're just not going to be, even if you have a better than average performance,
Starting point is 00:13:06 you're not going to hold back the big play from Trayvon Henderson. High expectations this week. We don't know if Ramandre is playing. It doesn't dissuade me from Trayvion this week. So I'll go another rookie. Yeah, I like that you're doing that in honor of Mike who's not here. In honor of Mike who's not here, my start of the week is Kenneth Walker the third. Wow. Ken Bone. Trayvion and
Starting point is 00:13:28 Ken Walker being our starts of the week. While Mike's gone. Five weeks ago. But we have to do it while Mike's gone. We can't possibly give him your validation. Yeah, exactly. I would never. I hate those guys. Yeah. These guys suck. Ken Bone Walker the third. He was running back 11 last week on 19 opportunities.
Starting point is 00:13:44 That's been his most in almost two months. Coach came out and said what we've been wanting him to say, which is Kenneth Walker is earning more opportunities. Andy U went out and definitely traded for him recently, and it just completely fleeced the Falcon. The Titans rush defense, 29th in yards before contact allowed, 31st in rushing touchdowns allowed. The Seahawks are 13.5 point road favorite. So it's a perfect game script, and I think Walker breaks a big play just like Hindo. Well, my wide receiver start of the week is going to be Tracy McGrady. Nice. I like it. Not
Starting point is 00:14:19 shooting guard. I'm not calling him Ted. No. He doesn't want to be called Tet. So Tetreroa, McMillan, against San Francisco on Monday night football. You saw the ceiling last week, 8 for 1.30 and 2 from the NFC's player of the week, Bryce Young. This game really moved the needle on the season
Starting point is 00:14:38 totals, on the season total projections. Like it all transformed where he was heading. He is one of six rookie wide receivers. Since, 2015 with a 26 plus percent target share in that rookie season. He is tied with Tray McBride over the last month for the most receptions in the league.
Starting point is 00:14:54 A true go-to receiver and I'm going to go right back to him in this matchup. And I'm facing him this week. This does not excite. I hate that. It doesn't excite me. Yeah. It happens sometimes. We're here for the Footland first. My wide receiver start of the week. DeVante Smith
Starting point is 00:15:10 at Dallas. Okay. I will never quit Devante Smith. I know last week he had one catch for eight yards. Philly fans are upset at their Super Bowl champion team that is not, you know, that is not losing many games. They're upset because their office hasn't been good. Dallas is here to cure the ills. Dallas's defense is better. It is better. I don't want to just look at season long totals with some of the additions they made after the by week getting some injured players back. They looked good against the Las Vegas Raiders. But they, they now,
Starting point is 00:15:45 are not the Cincinnati Bengals. They are now a bottom half defense. And they are still a bottom half defense. I think what's really improved for them has been the running and rushing defense. I think that's what Quinnon brings to the table. Quinnon's not been able to get
Starting point is 00:16:02 to the passer as much, but stopping the run, that's what they've reinforced. Even with the Parsons trade, that's what they're trying to do. So that again lends itself towards, maybe Seekwon doesn't, isn't relied upon as much if they can slow that down. And the nice thing is this game is in Dallas.
Starting point is 00:16:17 The biggest issue here is the Philly defense has been so good that they don't need to pass. But the fact that the game is in Dallas, I like the fact that Dallas might be able to actually score on Philadelphia a little bit, and then they need to throw the ball. Devonce Smith is going to be in my lineup. All right, I'm going to round out the rookie
Starting point is 00:16:33 platter here with Colston Dogland. That's right. Taking on Pittsburgh. I'm going Colston, Loveland. Steelers, it's about the matchup. 30th in schedule adjusted fantasy points allowed to the tight end. He's right on the fringe of the wide receiver one, even in our consensus rankings this week. What did I say?
Starting point is 00:16:50 Wide receiver one. We'll see. No. I'll be shocked. Tied in one. And Loveland is a big play type of player. I think you're going to get a big play this week against the Steelers. It's a huge game for Chicago.
Starting point is 00:17:03 And so I'm going to go. There's a handful of tight ends I actually kind of like this week compared to some previous weeks. Yeah. But I'm going to go with Loveland to round out the rookie rundown here. am going with what should hopefully be a layup in Hunter Henry against the Cincinnati Bengals. The Bengals defense is, as we all know, it's very bad. But while they're bad against the run and they're bad against the past, they are worst, worst, worst, worst against tight ends. They give it up every single week to tight ends. There's a 29 point team implied total the second
Starting point is 00:17:38 highest of the week. I want pieces of this game. And specifically, I mean, against the Bengals defense, you can essentially blindfold yourself with a grenade launcher, and you'll hit the target. Okay. Okay. It's great to play the titan. I mean, the Bengals are on pace to allow the most fantasy points of all time for the tight end position. So when I say they're bad, they're worst against tight end. I mean they're worst of all time. So yeah, Hunter Henry, he's okay. He goes out there, gets three catches, three catches 50 yards. He's a part of the offense. And then every now and then every now and then he's the tight end one on the week and this is one of those weeks where it's like he's going to go out and end up with two touchdown my my only concern about this
Starting point is 00:18:21 game is if you know you don't have jemar chase if if burrow doesn't play and you know the game script flips and you don't get as much passing work because well that's why you took that's why you took hindo it makes sense but i do think that they're still going to throw the ball for you know three quarters or at least for a half and and that's enough to exploit the giant gaping hole in the Bengals defense. Yeah, they don't see tight-ins. No. That was starts of the week presented by Tostitos. Tostitos is the proud chip-and-dip sponsor of the NFL again this season. Sold nationwide online and at your local grocery store, visit Tostitos.com for more information. We'll take a break. We'll get into the forecast.
Starting point is 00:19:13 Fantasy Forecast, presented by prize picks. We get the Colts and Saints back from the buy. The Broncos, Chargers, commanders, and dolphins are taking a week off, and so you've got to find those starts and sits that make a difference. Pittsburgh, 6 and 4, the Bears, 7 and 3. That's our first matchup of the day, Jason, Vegas line here, Chicago. At home, minus 2.5. Overrunters, 45 and a half.
Starting point is 00:19:39 This is a battle between two division leaders. shout out to the Steelers and Bears fans for coming this far. Chicago's defense, 30th in yards per play, but number one in turnover is forced. They remind me of a handful of defenses in years past. Cardinals were like this a few years ago where they give up a lot of yards, but they make big plays, and they keep your team in the game, and they can do it that way. We'll see what happens here.
Starting point is 00:20:06 I mean, Aaron Rogers didn't practice on Wednesday. I believe the quote I saw this morning was like it'll be about safety. is what he said, with the broken hand. And whether he can play safely, I guess, the game of football. Yeah. I know he loves playing in Chicago. I watched him an interview of like how much he, he's basically smirking and talking about how he's, you know,
Starting point is 00:20:28 owned the Chicago Bears as a Packer, and he hopes he can play against Chicago again. Chicago, my understanding, they love Aaron Rogers. They just, Chicago is a big fan of that guy. I don't think you're being serious. I don't think I'm being serious either. I mean, the whole world dislikes him, but I think there's a special kind of dislike and hatred for Bears fans. Jalen Warren and in the running back room on the other side, I think those discussions start us off here.
Starting point is 00:20:58 I mean, Warren didn't practice Wednesday. It seems like they're going to try to get him back out there. Yeah, last I heard was he wasn't practicing. It'll be slow, but they're hopeful that they have him this week. Which would put Gainwell on your bench? Yeah. Orina Flex. No, no, no. The matchup is really good. I mean, the bears for the last couple of years haven't really been good against running backs.
Starting point is 00:21:22 The last six weeks, they've been better. So I do think that whoever the starter is needs to be started. Jalen Warren's been great. If he's there, I'll put him back in my lineup. Kenny Gainwell has been outstanding. And if Warren is gone, Gainwell is an excellent start. but I don't want to start I feel like the only way Gainwell has a really I mean you can always get touchdowns but
Starting point is 00:21:46 I think it would take a re-aggravation to the ankle injury and that's not a bet like if you had to say Jalen Warren is starting what percentage chance is it that he re-aggressates that ankle I'd say 15% that's not a bet I want I don't want to put a 15% bet on it and we have evidence here right he was the he was the running back four in week four
Starting point is 00:22:04 they're going to the by week Jalen Warren comes back his opportunities on the ground 63530 So it wasn't, you know, and last week it really came down to the receiving game, right? Like he had two receiving touchdowns. It wasn't even, I mean, it was 9 for 24 on the ground. So it would be a really risky play. I'd rather play a Michael Carter in Arizona than a second fiddle, Kenneth Gainwell personally.
Starting point is 00:22:28 Yeah. DeAndre Swift, they keep limiting him on Wednesday, but he'll be back out there. Monongai is purely a touchdown or bus play, which, look, that's worked out for two straight weeks where you got the touchdown. last week he actually had 12 carries on the ground just turned it into 23 yards yeah i wouldn't rely on that certainly not in your average week and and definitely not against the steelers defense adjusted for scheduled or fifth against running backs this year throw on the steelers easier than you run on the steelers temperature check on dk mackab alex pierce against the kansas city defense or d k metcalf in this game against chicago oh that's really i i would go i would go
Starting point is 00:23:07 Metcalf over Alec Pierce. My temperature is very like chilly. I'm not excited for Metcalf, but I do think he is the alpha. He's used around the goal line. And the matchup against the Bears is much, much better than the matchup against the Chiefs. It's wild.
Starting point is 00:23:23 I mean, his yardage, the last six games, 50, 55, 6, 35, 49. That's a bad 55. That's why I've whispered it. Roma, Dunesay. I guess I'm a little curious here, perspective on the, you know, we saw it the Steelers did last week with Jalen Ramsey. I, you know, you've had DJ Moore out there. He's had the very, very occasional good game.
Starting point is 00:23:47 Good comments from Ben Johnson this morning around Luther Burden and the earned opportunities. How are you breaking down this wide receiver room? Like, I'm a little nervous about Adunzee having top flight production. I am too. With the Ramsey matchup, I think that this is a good week to spread it around. Maybe that helps your Colston Loveland start of the week. I expect them to lead the team in targets, But he has led the team in targets a lot of weeks recently where he hasn't gotten it done last week. It's been a little red light green light. Yeah, six targets, only two for 41. Now, Rome is definitely someone you can start.
Starting point is 00:24:18 He's a target leader for a team against a, in a matchup at home, where the opponent gives up a lot of points to fantasy wide receiver. So I believe he is a wide receiver two, but like a low end wide receiver two. Okay. That was the end of that sentence. That was it. look like you. I thought you were going to keep going for a second. Okay. Well, I think if you're planning on playing a Dunezay, you probably... Would you play Roma Dunesay or Michael Wilson? That's
Starting point is 00:24:47 like, I'm looking at my rankings, and those guys are really, really close. I would, I would play Michael Wilson. I think I would too, and that's not how my rankings are right now. I think that's not... Like, I have Rome on my team, and if I had Michael Wilson, I would start him over him. I think that because Harrison's missing another week and the yardage totals that you feel safe with with Jacoby, the fact that they can stop the run in Jacksonville, I lean that direction. And we've talked about Colston Loveland already. New England is nine and two. They take on the three and seven Cincinnati Bengals.
Starting point is 00:25:23 They've got such an uphill climb. Vegas line here, New England minus six and a half. The over and under is a beautiful 50 and a half points. The line did shift from eight and a half. half to six and a half with the potential for Joe Burrow to return. The game is in Cincinnati. Like this would be one, this would be one I actually think could be kind of almost upset territory with Burrow out there.
Starting point is 00:25:49 It's just missing chase is a big deal. And coming back from injury to face New England, I just don't know if they can get it done. And the Patriots are rolling. Now their schedule has been great, but they've won all the games. I mean, you're just doing what you're supposed to do. eight straight wins and Cincinnati's defense
Starting point is 00:26:07 we've talked about it at length doesn't give you enough to really compete sometimes and so you know you play Drake May of course you play Trayvion I'm comfortable with digs I'm even comfortable flexing Mack Hollins if Kaysham booty misses another week if booty is active
Starting point is 00:26:23 would you be fine putting booty in your lineup I think if he's active they're bringing him back because he's fully active and then I've got Hunter Henry is my start of the week this is certainly a this is a game script where like I said I want pieces of the Patriots offense. They probably all
Starting point is 00:26:40 don't get it done but I can see a world where they all get it done. Do you care about I mean the Patriots defense in the last six weeks yes the matchups haven't been amazing but do you do you look at it and say I'm worried about Chase Brown because they've been so good against running backs?
Starting point is 00:26:56 Yeah they have I mean that is like the one place where they've really shut people down both the last six weeks even on the course of the season, they're number one against, you know, in fantasy points given up to running backs. Thankfully Chase Brown gets a lot of the dump-offs and that hopefully will give him a high enough floor, but I
Starting point is 00:27:14 you know, he's been top 15 each of the last four weeks. 14 targets, two weeks ago, eight targets this week. Yeah, and then if Jamar Chase is out, even more. He's going to have a lot. So I expect him to finish around running back 15. He should probably still be started in most lineups. Higgins is a must start in this game. He has always been great without Jemar Chase available,
Starting point is 00:27:35 and they're going to need to throw the ball a ton. Averages 8.8 targets and 102 receiving yards without Jemar Chase. And Yosey Voss. Yeah, no, I picked him up in a league to play him. Okay. Andre Yosivas, spelled with an I if you're looking for him on waivers. The I is for Yoshi. Right. I-O-S. Yose. Yose. And then Mike did mention Noah a fan i don't feel amazing about it but i i could see it working out i get it i really do get it because in those games if burrow is back yeah kind of like i i think i would i would play with fan okay uh the giants throw the ball around you right no we gotcha uh the giants at two and nine taking on the six and four detroit lions highest implied point total of the week
Starting point is 00:28:25 Detroit at home in this one. I love all of the Detroit in this game. They're 10 and a half point favorites. The overrunners 50 and a half. They're coming off a loss, which they don't lose a lot. But when they do, they come back with a vengeance. I love Jared Goff. He is the honorary start of the week. He's a stream of the week. Gibbs, yes, Amunrah, and Jameson. Jameson has been the
Starting point is 00:28:49 wider receiver 16, 3, and 8 the last three weeks. I think it's great again this week. Yeah, no Laporta means that both of those guys can have big games in the same game. Obviously, Jemir Gibbs is started in every situation always, but this is the game script where he could, maybe should be the running back one on the week. The only question mark on that entire side of the roster is David Montgomery. It really is a question mark too. Yeah, I have David Montgomery on my team and I'm still hemming and hawing as to whether or not I'm going to start him. Zero carries inside the five the last two weeks does not help. It doesn't help. Now, Dan Campbell came out and said
Starting point is 00:29:23 that they want to get Monty the ball more. I feel like they said that like three weeks ago. They said that they did. They said that. They know that they're the ones that control that, right? Yeah. But when you say it and then it doesn't happen. And you say it again, I feel like it's going to happen.
Starting point is 00:29:37 But I mean, last week was against Philly, right? Philly truly and utterly dominated their offense. They had to turn. 15 carries the week before, which is the second highest of the year. Yeah. They had to turn to the passing game, which didn't work either. And so David Montgomery ended up six carries for 27. I think you should play him.
Starting point is 00:29:58 Let's play him. The Giants, 27th against the run in the last six weeks, 31st on the year. Monty's getting a touchdown in this game. I do hope that the Giants can, like I hope Jackson Dart comes back and I hope that they can keep up a little bit. We don't know about Darius Slateon's availability. I don't know if you saw this, you know who was out there getting all the work in lieu of Slayton, which should be on the radar, especially with Dart returning, Isaiah Hodgins.
Starting point is 00:30:22 I mean, he had the majority, five or six catches in that game. If Slayton is out and Dart is back, I like Hodgins more in this game than I like Yoshibos. Really? I do. That's just my opinion. But I think Hodgens, we saw him. We've seen him before. He's just a dude that can step up into that role and be super kind of like Sterling Shepard
Starting point is 00:30:48 when needed or something. You know, you just, you get production. And who else is going to do it? All right, I am starting David Montgomery. You made that call. I made that call. Right here on the show. On the show.
Starting point is 00:30:59 All right, well, Jackson Dart started the week here. I think the opportunity is there. Dart is just too automatic with the rushing totals. What about the Tracy Singletary situation? I'm going to avoid both of them. They are splitting work, and they've both been pretty good. I think both will be pretty good going forward again. But when you're splitting work and you're playing against the Lions,
Starting point is 00:31:18 who usually four years now have shut down the run on the vast majority of their games. I don't want, you know, I don't want 15 points split up between two players. Manangai or either starter here. Either starter here. Monongai is like out for me. That's also a matchup place.
Starting point is 00:31:35 I only brought it up because I feel like the only way you're happy with these two guys is going to be them falling into the end zone like Monongai. Yeah. I'm not really messing around with tight ends in this game with Laporta out. I think, I think, you know, Brock Wright would be. like desperation town no one needs to go
Starting point is 00:31:53 to Brock right you don't it's all the seven targets yeah you don't need to Minnesota's 4 and 6 they take on that Green Bay Packers and Lamboth 6 3 and 1 and Green Bay 6 and a half point home favorites over under is 41 and a half all right
Starting point is 00:32:08 here we go again JJ 9 I don't like the vibes man what do you mean he's he is rewiring neurological pathways, Andy. That can't possibly be a quote from him. That is a quote from him
Starting point is 00:32:24 about what nine is doing. And he makes the analogy of a cork just about to come off the bottle. It's just about ready to pop. Any minute? Hey, I hope so. I really do. I'm worried. The mental aspect of the game
Starting point is 00:32:40 is very legitimately important. The things that made Tom Brady or Michael Jordan better is not just the physical tools. It is the mental aspect of the game. It is that neurological thing that they have that others don't. Well, it's like you. You had all the physical
Starting point is 00:33:00 tools. Right. And it was just like week of mind. You were held back mentally. Weak of mind. And so I do love players working on the mental side of the game. This feels a little Russell Wilson mental side of the game like Danger Witch. You know, it's like
Starting point is 00:33:17 I'm just not confident that it feels like this is real try hard, real, real, like I don't have a tough guy in me so I'm limited. Yeah, so I'm trying to, I'm trying to come up with it. It's all. Unlimited. It's all stuff we
Starting point is 00:33:32 can buy into if the results are there. Yeah, it really is true. And you watch last week and you see how inaccurate and how many times he missed these receivers and then you see Justin Jefferson, how frustrated he is. You know, Mike told me in confidence that he regrets is Jefferson trade. Yeah. He's going for a championship. He traded his highest,
Starting point is 00:33:52 his largest bullet, if you will, the biggest piece of ammunition he had for Justin Jefferson. That was his move to put him over the top. And now it feels like he traded for a wide receiver too. Yeah. And then a bet on Jefferson is a bet on McCarthy. So again, you have confidence in Kevin O'Connell. Like he, if there's ever, like, if you were in any situation, McCarthy was on any other team and you're like, this dude's struggling. You'd be like, it'd be nice if he had Kevin O'Connell. Yeah. So I don't think that the, I mean, it would be the most sports media garbage to like,
Starting point is 00:34:22 a couple games were done. You know what I mean? That's ridiculous. I think all three of us believed in McCarthy coming out of college. The college tape, he was highly accurate. He didn't throw that much because, you know, with the team he was on, they were usually in a lead and he was more of a game manager. But when he threw, he was outstanding.
Starting point is 00:34:42 He has not looked the same. And now he's talked about how they have really, really. really, really worked on changing the mechanics. Like how he throws the ball, they want it different. And I think he's struggling with that right now. They don't like the straight up into the sky. I think that's the struggle right now.
Starting point is 00:34:59 I do think brighter days are ahead. Are they ahead? Nope, not in Lambo. As soon as this week in Lambo? Yeah, probably not. So, no, I did talk about a tough environment with that defense and Michael Parsons is bearing down on you. And probably I found a way to play Brock Wright, tight end for the lions.
Starting point is 00:35:16 You did? Yeah. If I had T.J. Hawkinson on my team. Oh. That's, you don't have to do T.J. Hawkinson. Well, I mean, T.J. Hawkinson was wide open last week down the sideline. Didn't you see that play? He just, you know, the ball was just about 45 feet over his head. But yeah, don't play Hawkinson. That ship has sailed. McCarthy, if you want to take pressure off him, maybe some utility of Aaron Jones, right? I mean, that would be the one area where the Packers defense is slightly average as opposed to above average. it's a legit revenge game for Aaron Jones. He's had a couple revenge games against the Packers since he left the Packers. All of them have been pretty good. Not like, you know, number one running back on the week, but certainly a top 15 running back. I think Aaron Jones is a good play. 22 opportunities last week. That's fantastic. Yeah. And then where are you with Addison? Like Jefferson gets the start no matter what because you just don't bench him. Yep. And you hope you get a special game. Addison is the one that you're allowed to bench and feel okay about it.
Starting point is 00:36:14 Alec Pierce or Jordan Addison? Alec Pierce Yeah Dang Yeah we were on fire With Addison for a little while there Who would have thought How much people love Carson Wins
Starting point is 00:36:26 Yeah Yeah he's got a little Winston in him On the other side We're monitoring the Josh Jacobs situation Do we have any news on a He did not practice Wednesday Right But any Thursday updates here
Starting point is 00:36:39 We're getting to the point Where we might be able to find out A little East Coast information We'll take a look Is Green Bay East Coast? That's not East Coast, is it? Wisconsin? They're probably on Central.
Starting point is 00:36:53 I'm on it. They're probably on Central. I don't actually know. They are Central. Okay. Yeah. It's weird, though, because like Brooksie, Brooksie's on East Coast. Right.
Starting point is 00:37:02 And he's not too far away. He's in Ohio, right? Yeah. And to me, they're all clumped. They're all together. Right in the middle, upper part of the country, where there are no mountains. And there are,
Starting point is 00:37:15 rigid lakes and they call it west cheese they make cheese out there and is not it's the midwest it's way north and not west so it's only west of the ocean right it's west of where they founded the country exactly yeah and that's where they thought maybe it all ended yeah um we are historians here christian watson i'm i'm i'm down to clown yeah i think that that's the one wide receiver i would play with. Romeo Dobbs has been the higher targeted player. He had some drops. Romeo drops last week. No, I play Watson over him for the big play. I agree. The big play and the touchdown opportunity is usually Watson. And obviously you're all about Matthew Golden. You start him in all situations. I have finally, like I don't usually cut rookie high drafted wide receivers or
Starting point is 00:38:07 running backs. I'll roster them all year waiting for the breakout. But with Matthew Golden, it's like confirmation bias because I never thought he was good and he shouldn't have been a first round pick, but I was willing to just be like... I've dropped him and picked him up a handful of times. Nobody cares that he's sitting out there on the way they are. By the way, we did get an update. Josh Jacobs stayed limited on Thursday. I'd be shocked if he didn't stay limited right up to game time.
Starting point is 00:38:31 And we've been here with Josh Jacobs. He generally plays. Yeah, but... He fights through injury. I would think game time decision, I bet you, is what we hear tomorrow. So I would agree that that could happen. I worry about his workload. When he was struggling with some injuries a while ago,
Starting point is 00:38:45 he's usually a 20 carry guy or somewhere up there. And he came the other week and he had like 13 carries. They worked Emmanuel Wilson in. And I would expect that to be the type of him. I think you're not going to be happy without a touchdown. Yeah, he'll be like the running back 20. You're going to play him? If he's active, I will play him.
Starting point is 00:39:04 Okay. Let's take a break. Would I play him over David Montgomery? Should I play him over David Montgomery? If he was active, I would. He's Josh Jacobs. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:16 All right. That's probably what I would do. All right, we'll take a break. We'll come back and see if same Darnold can get it done against Tennessee. Seattle, 7 and 3, Tennessee, 1, and 9. And to be clear, should be 0.10. The Arizona Card is donated. They, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:39 Amari DiMarcato, Donate. donated a game to Cam Ward and his family. That was a game of historic collapse. It was like never before seen. What was it? 19 points in two minutes or something like that. I mean the Cardinals were running into the end zone on a 73-hour touchdown to put the game away when DeMarcato dropped the football and it was still from that point on impossible to come back and the Cardinals gave it up. And then it was still impossible even when Cam Ward threw an interception. Oh yeah. That we fumbled into that we fumbled into their end zone and then they laid on it for a touchdown. That was how they got their touchdown was we intercepted
Starting point is 00:40:13 their ball. Yes. Yes. So look. The Titans are. This game is, this game's over before it starts. This game is the lowest implied point total of any team on any game the entire season. So the Tennessee Titans, they have scoring 13 and a half points. So here's the simple solution to that problem. You start 0.0 Tennessee Titans, and I do mean including Tony Pollard. I was looking on prize picks, making a lineup for this week. And I was looking at passing touchdowns. And the 0.5. Not even a green goblin?
Starting point is 00:40:51 It was a red demon. Oh. It was like, this is going to be tough, man. So they said that's a tough game. Yeah, no, I look. One. Like Seattle's demons is amazing. They're coming off of a loss.
Starting point is 00:41:05 Cam Ward has no options in the receiving game. the ones he does have are hurt or limited, right, D.K. and Iomanor. You just lost Ridley again. Pollard is probably the most dull and uninspiring fantasy start of the season. Yeah. Who last week was 10 for 22 on the ground and just biting his time until he can leave this team. And Taji Spears, I don't want to start him either. No, Tony Pollard. So just bench him all.
Starting point is 00:41:32 Tony Pollard is the absolute starter. Only one game this year that he hasn't had at least 10 carries. double-digit opportunities the entire year, and hasn't scored 10 fantasy points since week five. We're in week 12. I mean, you're, I don't know. He hasn't missed games. This is just every week. It's like, uh, seven, four, five, six points. That's what you're getting from Tony Pollard.
Starting point is 00:41:56 I mean, I'm playing, I'm playing Sean Tucker. I'm playing. Absolutely. I'm playing. Tucker would be ahead of Tony Pollard. Everybody I can ahead of him. Michael Carter, Bam Knight. Would you play Tage Spears ahead of him just for the hope of a big play?
Starting point is 00:42:08 Yes, because Spears are. catch five passes, and you hope one of them does something, which it probably won't, but it might. And don't hear what we're not saying. Don't play Tajay Spears. I'd play Omarion Hampton over Pollard this week. And Spears, right? Yeah. Yeah, because Omari and Hampton injured on a buy. Yeah, I mean, he's not... But still higher upside. Huge upside. Huge upside. He's, I mean, he's not doing nothing. He's training. There's a better chance of him scoring six fantasy points, is all I'm saying. On the other side, you have Kinney's with Walker is your start of the week. I think the opportunities will be there. It was
Starting point is 00:42:42 great to see the coach come out and say he's earned them. It's not going to be hard to maintain them because he's a better runner than Charbonnet. They do trust Charbonnet in a lot of situations. I think Sam Darnold, you know, he's probably not throwing four quarters, but two in this game might be enough for the fantasy production. I think you could go back to that well. Yeah, I figure in a in a six-point league, you should be around 18 fantasy points from Arnold. Lay of the land at the wide receiver position, unfortunately, it's just JASIN still. Rashid Shaheed's just... Did you say unfortunately? I'm saying unfortunately in that there was
Starting point is 00:43:16 optimism. Mike brought it up. He thought Shaheed could be relevant there and he's only three for 30 and two full games since coming over. So I think he will be relevant there on some deep shots and important games. But I mean, that's the same for Horton. That's the same for Cup. Sure. Yeah. I'm, I think this is fortunate. Because I didn't want Rashid to Shaheed to come over here and take away my sweet J.S. I don't think he can. I think he can only help. So, I mean, right now JASN is just a dominator, so
Starting point is 00:43:44 it's not complicated. I do not have confidence that Barner will give you a back-to-back tight end week. I looked into this a little bit this week. Obviously, he played great last week. He had 10 catches for 70 yards. This is not the game that I think they need him. That's all I'm saying. Like the week before he had no catches.
Starting point is 00:44:03 He had one catch, two weeks before that. He could get into the end zone, but I don't expect it. I think the running game will get it done against Tennessee. Running game plus JSN is the equation that I'm looking at. So I would not actually, like, Barner is a, like, would you play Schultz tonight? I'd probably play Schultz, even though I know the matchup's not great. I'd probably do that over Barner personally. Yeah, Schultz has been super involved.
Starting point is 00:44:25 I hate that matchup. Like, I, you know, Schultz was my start of the week last week. I want to keep riding the flame that he's in with Davis Mills. But yeah, I would probably take him over Barner. The Colts. Do you know how many receiving yards JSN is on pace for? I do not. Can I take a shot?
Starting point is 00:44:42 A guess? You thought about not letting me guess. I don't know why you thought about that. First, do you know? You were like, maybe I won't like to guess. All right, guess. A 1700. So that's what Jamar Chase did last year, 1700,
Starting point is 00:44:55 which obviously Jamar Chase won everybody their Fantasy League. He's on pace for 1948. It's a lot. That's near the all-time record. Imagine how much better that would have been, did you not let me guess. The Colts are 8 and 2, they take on the 5 and 5 Kansas City Chiefs. Kansas City minus 3 and a half at home. The overrunner is 50 and a half.
Starting point is 00:45:17 This game is this game. This game's crazy. When I'm making my price. The implications. My prize picks lineups. Because of the implication. Because of the implication. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:45:28 When I was making my prize picks lineups, I'm going to all these different stats and I'm scrolling through and every time I saw all these players. I mean, this game is chalk full of, there's so many projections. Fantasy options everywhere. I just skipped it. Oh, yeah. I just was like not touching this game, not touching it because. You know how important this is to Kansas City? And to the Colts. I mean, this is an important game between two teams, both who have right now Super Bowl aspirations. Like, the Colts certainly believe they can win a Super Bowl, whether you do or not. the Chiefs going into last week where the Super Bowl favorites.
Starting point is 00:46:05 The Chief's defense at home? Oh, man. On the season, when you adjust for schedule, they're number three against quarterbacks, number eight against running backs, number three against wide receivers, number seven against tight ends. They have no holes.
Starting point is 00:46:19 They have no weakness. They are at home. They are coming off a loss in a must-win game. But the Colts have overcame pretty much every opponent, even the difficult ones, and they've showed up. And so I'm like, man, I don't know. I don't know what happens here.
Starting point is 00:46:35 I mean, my first thought on this game is that this is the type of game Daniel Jones really struggles in, which is... I completely... Road game, super confident defense that throws different looks at you, that, you know, they can kind of unravel a player like Daniel Jones, and that might be what happens. But I'm also a little bit, you know, Colts are coming off a buy week, right? I mean, you're coming off a by week with two weeks to prepare for Kansas City. Who does have their own problems, right, in their own right?
Starting point is 00:47:06 Starting with a running game that really hasn't been successful enough and, you know, options that aren't really producing outside of Rashi Rice. Like, I don't know. It's just a very interesting game to me. Here's the truth. When I was looking at all those lineups, I wanted to take the less on everything for the Colts. I think the Colts, I think the Colts will really get handled by. the chiefs. That's kind of how I view it. But I don't personally want to bet against
Starting point is 00:47:34 Colts at all. Like they've, every time we've thought like maybe it's not for real and they're coming off a buy, like I could see them showing up and just shock in the world. And if the Kansas City Chiefs are five and six after this week, oh, darn. I mean, what a shame. Right now they're not in the playoffs. Oh, man, that would be so bad. Give them another loss. That's, that's tough. Daniel Jones, Patrick Mahomes for fantasy. Mahomes has been crushing at Arrowhead 260 and almost three touchdowns. You play him. That's an easy, Mahomes, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:06 Daniel Jones, it's a little more nerve-wracking. Like, if I had him a Berset, I'm playing Burset, right? Yeah. I'm playing. I'm playing Brock Purdy. Would you play Sam Darnold over Daniel Jones? I think I would play Sam Darnold over. You know, there's four games this year where he has been outside a top 12 quarterback,
Starting point is 00:48:24 and some of them have been pretty bad. That's the range of outcomes for. Daniel Jones he's not a must start Jonathan Taylor is he is a must start the matchup is brutal and you just don't care Alec Pierce Michael Pittman who do you like more and do you like them both more
Starting point is 00:48:40 than like a Michael Wilson so Michael Pittman I love Michael Pittman he's the wide receiver 11 on the season if I had to play one of these two guys I think I might go Pierce just because of the big shot opportunity for a play I don't love either I am
Starting point is 00:48:56 playing so my decision that I made of playing Jonathan Taylor, it is over Michael Pittman. I'm sorry, not Johnston. Look, I'm going out of a limo and start Jonathan Taylor over Michael Pittman. No, David Montgomery over Michael Pittman. I, you know, it's going to be tough sledding
Starting point is 00:49:12 for the passing game here. I think if the Colts win this game, it has to be on the back of Jonathan Taylor. And some Tyler Warren. Yes. And that's an area where... Tyler Warren is started for sure. You can beat the Chiefs a little bit. Last six weeks, giving up 12 points of game to the tight end. That's 18th best in the league. Another
Starting point is 00:49:28 Other side, you know, Rashi Rice, it was a down week last week. You play him. Kelsey, quietly the tight end two on the year. So I guess you stay there. Wow. What? Yeah. You talk about quiet.
Starting point is 00:49:42 That blows my mind. That's with a buy week. That's with a buy week. 50 for 6, 31, and 4. Okay. And if you look at the game log, the game log is like, I mean, his consistency ranking right now is a B. It's fine. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:56 And you probably need them in the running game again. Now, can you start Xavier Worthy? No. No, silly goose. But there's still a lot. There's still four starts, right? You're starting Mahomes. I think you should start.
Starting point is 00:50:07 Kelsey? Kelsey. You should obviously start rice. And you should start Cream Hunt. See, I didn't even know the name you were going to say. Because we got, what, full practice from Pacheco now? Oh, did we? I think so.
Starting point is 00:50:19 Well, yeah. If Pacheco's back, then I'm... And you're down to three starts? Yes, then I'm down to three starts. But if Pacheco is gone, I mean, Cream Hunt had 80. percent of the snaps last week, you know, right now the chiefs are favored. They're at home. He's been used around the goal line. So, yeah, four starts if Pacheco doesn't play. If Pacheco plays, no starts at the running back. I was just curious if there were Pacheco start-sit questions
Starting point is 00:50:43 coming in and there are, like in the popular list, Rashad White, Isaiah Pacheco. That is perfect. Rashad White or Isaiah Pachco. I would go white with Pachco coming right off the injury. Okay. I think that's it for today's matchups. Injury updates. Aaron Rogers is expected to practice on Thursday. Josh Jacobs will do individual drills in practice today and see where the knee feels going into the weekend. And that was Fantasy Forecast, presented by prize picks, join millions of users and sign up for America's number one Fantasy Sports app. Use the code footballers and get $50 in lineups when you play $5.
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