Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Stat Surprises + Murky Situations, WR Name Game - Fantasy Football Podcast for 5/23

Episode Date: May 23, 2024

Is a Chris Olave breakout season coming? On today’s fantasy football podcast, listener questions answered and murky situations discussed. Should Justin Jefferson be ranked as a top 5 fantasy WR? Wil...l Dalton Kincaid lead the Bills in receiving? Plus, stat projection surprises for the 2024 fantasy football season! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for May 23rd, 2024. Get the lowest price on the 2024 UDK before June 1st at UltimateDraftKit.com Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:18 Welcome in. Thursday episode of the Fantasy Footballers. Mike, the fantasy hitman. That's me. In the building. That's me. This goofy movie t-shirt on. Oh, yeah. Got to represent the best Disney cartoon of all time.
Starting point is 00:01:48 You have more than one Goofy Movie clothing item. I certainly do. Yeah. I have many. How old is the Goofy Movie? We talking like 25 years? Oh, 20 plus. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:03 1995. 1995? So we're coming up on 30 coming up on 30 nice so and and were you there on the day it was released i did see it in the theater yes and you're still representing yeah getting those vhs sales up because it just holds up it's it's incredible movie for all ages that hashtag not a sponsor but ladies and gentlemen. Not a sponsor. Yeah, the Goofy movie is sponsoring people these days. Well, I'm just saying, like, Disney is not sponsoring me,
Starting point is 00:02:31 saying how good the Goofy movie is. We just got a sponsor offer from Mighty Ducks 1. Here it comes. Well, just settle down. Kyle's on the line. He can hear you. But Goofy movie, like, you watch it, and you're like, Max is so cool.
Starting point is 00:02:45 He does his dance as the power line. And you're like, Goofy is just, he needs to back off. Right. And then you become an adult, and you watch the movie, and you're like, Goofy is just trying to be a good father, and Max is a brat. So you've gone through both worlds. Oh, yeah. It's a great movie for everybody.
Starting point is 00:03:04 I have never watched it all the way through. Oh, man. So maybe this year. You have not seen the big finale, the big eye-to-eye, dancing on the stage? No. I mean, I feel a little bit like I've lived through it here on the show. You are missing out. Maybe this year.
Starting point is 00:03:18 Maybe I'll sit down with my boys and we'll watch it. So there you go. Or rent out a theater. Oh, I'm in. Expensive to the company. Welcome in one and all. Mike Wright, Andy Holloway here. Jason will be back next week.
Starting point is 00:03:36 Some things at the top I wanted to talk about. We've got, we're going to discuss some of the stat surprises that came our way when we were going through all of the teams for the Ultimate Draft Kit, talk about some NFL news, some mailbag, and some other stuff on today's episode. But here at the top, I do want to announce that we have a winner of our Dynasty Week giveaway. Yes, thank you. Jeff Midgley congratulations won a signed devon achan jersey and uh and from what i understand they don't just sell those in extra small like his actual jersey oh true true do so yeah so jeff midgley congratulations
Starting point is 00:04:22 just nine days until the ultimate draft kit is released. Nine days, Mike. The anticipation is palpable. In the studio, you can feel the stress of our employees. Yep, it is rising, but we're good. We're on track. For those of you that are new to the ultimate draft kit, it is our tool that the entire team builds and keeps updated throughout
Starting point is 00:04:46 the entire offseason to prepare you for your fantasy football drafts the udk has uh tier based rankings which is always a very popular feature all of our stat projections for every player 100 plus video player profiles which we are in the throngs of recording i don't know why i said in the throngs of recording. Throng, throng, throng, throng. I don't know why I said in the throngs. There are certain things you just need to be careful. I'm stuck at you. Chuck, chuck, chuck.
Starting point is 00:05:14 Guys like us. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Custom cheat sheets in the UDK, Mike. Sleepers, breakouts, busts, and values. We have a custom player marking so you can set aside players that you're targeting in your draft. It's great.
Starting point is 00:05:29 It's a great tool for using actively during the draft. It's what all of us use as well. Custom scoring support is in the UDK as well for your league scoring so your rankings are specific to your league. We have consistency charts. We have the risk and the upside meters. It's all available on the web and on the mobile app.
Starting point is 00:05:48 And then we have a ton of like ancillary charts and resources in there. Bunch of research items to help you. Because we're trying to help be a guide for you to simplify it as much as possible. But we're also trying to give you a lot of research tools so you can make your own, you know, form your own opinions based off of dad and how you're looking at it. And I would say also stay tuned because I've been in the laboratory and I cannot wait until we get this thing out so we can work on some new tools. And if you have the UDK Plus, you get all the
Starting point is 00:06:25 things I just mentioned, but you also get the draft analyzer tool, which lets you import your team after you draft and we'll grade it for you. We'll tell you your strengths and your weaknesses and ways to improve, set the foundation as you head into the season. You get the dynasty pass, which is available right now. And you get the DFSFS Pass if you play DraftKings, you know, Best Ball, FanDuel, whatever the case may be, heading into the season. And there you go, UltimateDraftKid.com. Nine days left to get the preorder price. You can jump in.
Starting point is 00:07:01 And here's our quick question of the day, Mike. We were talking about our player projections for the season, which, you know, we stay water. We modify them. We update them. We change them. When a new signing or injury or perspective happens, we update them. But as you go through and you went through your stats of every player,
Starting point is 00:07:23 what's something that surprised you when you were in that process in terms of maybe it's a team, your stats of every player, what's something that surprised you when you were in that process in terms of maybe it's a team, maybe it's a player, maybe it's why is that guy ranked there? So the a very strong takeaway I have is for the Green Bay Packers and my note is
Starting point is 00:07:39 good luck. Okay. Because ADP wise, you know, currently with the way that fantasy players are treating it, it is locked in that Jaden Reed is the player to have. He's the Green Bay Packer wide receiver. You feel like that's a consensus opinion? I'm just saying ADP-wise. I'm not talking about our opinions, just ADP.
Starting point is 00:08:04 And I understand it totally. Last year, a rookie who he didn't have like a monster breakout, but for his draft capital, what you were expecting from Jane Reed, it was a great season. However, the injuries and things, like weeks 5 through 13, that's when we had essentially all of them. And I'm going to include, I'll say the four-pack that includes. Dontavian Wicks.
Starting point is 00:08:30 That includes Romeo Dobbs and Dontavian Wicks, which Dontavian Wicks is kind of like slowly gaining market buzz as one of people's favorite sleeper wide receivers. He's very, very cheap in drafts right now. But during those games, weeks 5 through 13, Watson, Christian Watson, remember that guy? He was 18% of the targets. Jaden Reed was 15%.
Starting point is 00:08:55 Dobbs was 15%. And Wicks was down at 10%. So why I'm saying good luck is players drafting right now are saying it is guaranteed Jaden Reed because Christian Watson is going multiple rounds after him, and yet in the games where they were actually healthy, Christian Watson was the one who was seeing the larger target share. He's the bigger play guy.
Starting point is 00:09:21 So it's a murky situation. Here's why I think it's so difficult is because each individual player has a wide range of outcomes. None of them are settled in, right? There's not, um, because they're younger. Like you don't have a player that's been around for a long time. Remember when Randall Cobb was finishing his tenure in green Bay, you knew what Randall Cobb was. But I think you could literally say, I don't know exactly what Jaden Reed is. I don't know exactly what Christian Watson is. He's had big games. He's had disappearing acts. He's had injuries. Romeo Dobbs. Is he just the guy that's capable to fill in
Starting point is 00:09:58 when other players are hurt? And then Dontavian Wicks has a ceiling that I think people are getting their heads around now yeah and say well you know is there a world where ontavian wicks is the second most valuable wide receiver there is a every single universe exists for the for the green bay packers of some have higher probability but i'm saying the order of one through four, every single possibility between those four guys exists to me. The reason I have Jaden Reed ranked the highest is because watching football games, I think he's the most versatile and talented player in that group. And I think his floor is the highest in terms of weekly utility. Do you remember that they had a...
Starting point is 00:10:51 Do you remember? This is what we're doing all songs today. That the Packers had two playoff games. I do remember that they played in the playoffs. And the first playoff game, Green Bay versus Dallas, Jayden Reed, the floor was in fact zero as he had three targets, zero for zero. I don't remember.
Starting point is 00:11:13 Zero for zero. He wasn't on the field. Well, Jayden Reed's end of the year was injury plague. Remember he played through, I think it was a foot injury for multiple weeks in a row. So that, again, like I said, there's questions for all these players. He missed week 16. There are question marks around all these players.
Starting point is 00:11:30 So, yeah, I think the synopsis of good luck, I think it's fair. I'm not saying don't take shots. I think that you should 100% be getting some exposure to probably all of these guys, depending on how many drafts you do. But it's the certainty of which the market is convinced it's Jaden Reed right now. That's where I'm like, hey, let's pump the brakes maybe a little bit. Yeah, I get it.
Starting point is 00:11:56 I think they are the highest upside question mark team. There's a bunch of wide receiver rooms that you're like, good luck, but you also don't need them. Like you're not like New England, good luck. Right? Yeah, we both kind of are interested in Polk. Right, but it's not to the degree of, because ADP is going to be like your last pick in the draft.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Yeah. So, yeah, Jaden Reed dealt with toe sprain, sprained ankle, and then missed a week. Kept trying to play through. I think it was a back situation. He was beat up. Christian Watson's been beat up. And, no, it'll be interesting for me.
Starting point is 00:12:35 The quote, I think LeFleur was just talking about Christian Watson's hamstrings and whether or not they're past the, like, are we truly past all the hamstring injuries? And he's like, I don't know. We'll find out. That's a tough one because those type of injuries keep cropping up. We joked about, I mean, Julio Jones played a lot of games, but he limped off the field a lot of times.
Starting point is 00:12:57 For me, it was the most ironic and wild of statistical outputs. My number three tight end. Yeah, easy E. Just unbelievable, but Evan Ingram ended up my number three tight end in my rankings. I am apparently very in love with a player that had 143 targets, 114
Starting point is 00:13:18 completions, just 963 yards on those completions, just four touchdowns, but I mean, it was a great year last year for everything. It was. And you're coming into a season with over 200 vacated targets, I believe. You don't have Calvin Ridley. You've got a rookie in Brian Thomas who you and I debated on the mock draft show,
Starting point is 00:13:38 the Christian Kirk-Brian Thomas thing. And then moments later they talked about Christian Kirk being the clear alpha in OTAs and Brian Thomas has a ways to go. thing and then like moments later they talked about Christian Kirk being the clear alpha in in OTAs and Brian Thomas has a ways to go but you know Gabe Davis not a target hog Brian Thomas brand new nose a Jones and I could see Evan Ingram having the target lead again at the position this season he is just he's, an underneath tight end that is like having a pass catching running back. He's a, an escape valve has the best rapport outside of Kirk with Trevor Lawrence and vacated targets. They could definitely go his direction because
Starting point is 00:14:18 he is just he's an easy option for Trevor Lawrence in the offense. So just on sheer volume, I think that he's going to be back up near the top. He doesn't win you a lot of weeks, but that's not the number one goal of tight end a lot of the time. The number one goal of tight end is don't fall behind at the position. Don't lose the position week to week, and he doesn't let you lose it. Yeah, and there is the room for him to have an outlier touchdown season. With that amount of receptions and that amount of involvement, the most likely thing is it'll still be a low touchdown output for Ingram, but the world exists where he hits eight or nine,
Starting point is 00:15:04 and then he's one of the best picks at the tight end position. And it's just now, I mean, that's another year of Doug Peterson and his tight ends are just peppered with targets. And then Jason's not here, but someone from our team decided to throw his ranking of DK Metcalf into the quick question. This is Boise. Which is number 10. He loves DK right now. He really does.
Starting point is 00:15:37 And I don't know if I'm there. I'm not. I did draft him in the mock draft. He was the bottom of the final tier of where I could be okay with him as my wide receiver one. That's fine. Because if you ended – like I went running back, running back quarterback, and he ended up my wide receiver one because he's a fourth round.
Starting point is 00:15:57 So maybe we make him explain himself next week. Maybe we do a little explain yourself segment. Maybe we do that. I'm trying to agree with you, man. Maybe we do a little explain yourself segment. Maybe we do that. I'm trying to agree with you, man. Maybe we do. Maybe. All right. Are we good to move on to news?
Starting point is 00:16:13 I think we're good. News and notes from around the league. Well, it's almost like we were insulated from the reality of injuries, because we were. And now that all the players are running around on the field, there's a bunch of injuries popping up. And it's early, Mike, so do you concern yourself very much with news of hamstring injuries like Josh Jacobs, talk of Kyron Williams with a foot injury and won't be part of the offseason program, but will be back in time for training camp. Does it give you the first shiver of what reality is like
Starting point is 00:16:58 in fantasy for the season? It's not giving me the shiver, and it's not altering how I think about any of these players, but it will be. I mean, it's a note so that if Josh Jacobs at any time during training camp has the same leg with a hamstring injury, then I will become very concerned. So we had Kyron Williams dealing with a foot injury. He's had an injury history, has been brought up on this show.
Starting point is 00:17:27 They drafted Blake Corum. You're not concerned right now. No, not yet. Sean McVay's been very accurate when he talks about players and their injuries, and he says he's going to be back for camp. But it's in the back of your mind. Yeah. Keith Mitchell on schedule.
Starting point is 00:17:44 This will be Ravens. Whoa ravens whoa whoa whoa hold on okay hold on all right he's on schedule oh no he's not ahead of schedule so he is behind he is behind schedule is that what that means it how dare there's only one way to take it if everyone is ahead of schedule and you're the only one on schedule. Imagine being on schedule. You're late. Shoot. That's not great.
Starting point is 00:18:09 Well, that is kind of what the news report is. Recovering from a torn ACL, will not be back for training camp, not expected back until sometime during the season. And the quote said, it's not like right around the corner. Okay. So is it around the block? I don't know. He led all NFL running backs in yards after contact.
Starting point is 00:18:30 I mean, he was absolutely – if he was able to finish the season, like him and A-Chan, it would have just been – both of those guys were electric on the field. We don't know anything further yet, but our injury guy, Matthew Betts, he did mention in our Slack of he's kind of had his concerns about this injury that it might be a multi, like this isn't just a clean, regular ACL. So that's even more on the radar now if this is where he is in his recovery. Yeah, so Keitchell's not going
Starting point is 00:19:05 to be a a factor for your drafting of derrick henry or consideration on the backfield no and that kyle would bring up rashin ali the the rookie that they drafted because kyle is kyle is drunk in love right now is he mr? With Mr. Ali. Yes, he is. Who has him in Dynasty? I believe Kyle's team. Does he? Yeah. Is it?
Starting point is 00:19:33 Yeah, it probably is. Maybe. I don't know. We would have to check. But the point being, if you missed when we talked about Ali, his production profile is incredibly interesting. It seemed like the Ravens were forced into using Justice Hill last year when they didn't seemingly, based off of his entire history, they didn't want to do that.
Starting point is 00:19:56 So as of right now, I don't hate it. I think Ali is a very intriguing player who could be the highest beneficiary should Henry miss some time. He had the bicep injury, I think, in the senior bowl that knocked him down a little bit. Yes, he essentially had a year almost deleted from injury, and then he got hurt right before the draft. Ladd McConkie, there's a report from The Athletic
Starting point is 00:20:24 that the majority of all of his snaps with the first team have come from the slot. That's essentially what I was expecting. It's what makes sense on this roster right now. Josh Palmer, Quentin Johnston on the outside. McConkie played 29% of his college snaps in the slot. It is the reason I have Keon Coleman higher than McConkie in my rankings for this year. I liked
Starting point is 00:20:48 McConkie a ton. Talked about him a lot in the offseason. Liked the situation for Keon a little bit more. Yeah, I can agree with that. Scared of McConkie being a 6-for-56 and no touchdown guy. Valuable for the team. Maybe not as valuable for fantasy.
Starting point is 00:21:04 Just speculation right now yeah and just some numbers because when you hear someone is designated to be a slot wide receiver it does lower their probability to becoming a true fantasy like difference maker it doesn't eliminate it because we you know the n NFL is starting to shift. Last year, Keenan Allen, nearly 48% of his targets were from a route out of the slot. A good
Starting point is 00:21:34 amount. Same thing. Seedy was at 57%. Amon Ra was at 55%. It's not the end when you say that he's going to be predominantly in the slot, but it does not the end when you say that, well, he's going to be predominantly in the slot, but it does lower the odds. Yeah. Yeah, a lower percentage of touchdowns historically have come from the slot.
Starting point is 00:21:54 Yeah, because you've got a lower depth of target. Yeah, so it's just something to pay attention to, and especially as a rookie, if that's where you're going to get the majority of your snaps, manage expectations low passing volume offense and you know you and I were talking about Josh Palmer maybe being
Starting point is 00:22:10 just free free in drafts and yet maybe the number one target yeah there yeah don't tell anybody don't tell anyone also because your your sanity will be called into question if you start talking about proclaiming,
Starting point is 00:22:29 I think Joshua Palmer's the guy. Yeah, I mean, it's interesting. Rashi Rice, the charges from the nightclub assault have been dropped. The alleged assault? Yes. Which, I mean, yeah. nightclub assault have been dropped. The alleged assault? Yes. Which... Well, I mean, yeah. That's at least one positive step here for Rice.
Starting point is 00:22:51 That doesn't mean... The league can still have their say. Yeah, the league can still have a say from this thing, and that doesn't even take into account the whole speeding on the freeway accident. We're going to take a quick break and come back with some of your questions. All right, we're going to take a few minutes
Starting point is 00:23:14 and jump into your mailbag questions. A lot of things going on. We're going to do our best to help you out. Let's do it. Mailbag. Mailbag. Yeah! we're gonna do our best to help you out let's do it mailbag do you feel a pressure when jason's not here like when it's just the two of us do you feel like a pressure to do more with the mailbag uh like you're more on an island over there like i don't think about it no no it's just you're just in it yeah it doesn't matter yeah i mean you're like you might as well be alone in a
Starting point is 00:23:51 room i i pretty much leave my body do you for a mailbag yeah frightening dude just hear those notes no i those things are upstairs they're they're special uh question from troy cummings writes in uh off of x he says hello chosen ones why are we still so high that's the first time we've been called the chosen ones why are we still so high on justin jefferson he has a rookie quarterback only five wide receivers have finished top 12 with a rookie quarterback let let alone top five. Help me understand. And he brings up, well, we can look through history and see the five. I remember the Cam Newton year in 2011 where Steve Smith was the one. That was wild.
Starting point is 00:24:35 Wide receiver seven. I think he had 1,300-something yards. Christian Ponder managed to get Percy Harvin to wide receiver eight. That's shocking. Andy Dalton got A.J. Green to the wide receiver 11. And then Andrew Luck with Reggie Wayne. Reggie Wayne, very established. That is the, like the 2012 Reggie Wayne situation is 100% the way I view this,
Starting point is 00:24:58 is extremely established star, which is what you see. Like if you go back and you look at all the rookie quarterbacks and their highest receiver in terms of fantasy production, the ones that have succeeded, the ones that have made it through the outliers have been the best players of the group. It's not, they don't elevate a middle tier player. They make the best players, The best players make them great. So Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, A.J. Green, Roddy White,
Starting point is 00:25:29 those are four stars. So what about the wide receiver who, through four seasons, is averaging over 98 receiving yards a game, which would be number one all-time? Yeah, I'm not worried about it. Yeah, that's why. I mean, we're at least, we are acknowledging the situation. I don't have Justin Jefferson number one.
Starting point is 00:25:47 If you had Kirk Cousins on this team or even just someone – a quarterback who I had faith in. I mean, I don't know if you – okay, side conversation here. Okay. Where are you with J.J. McCarthy starting versus Sam Darnold? Do you think this is week one, the rookie takes over? I hope so. Or that Sam Darnold plays maybe through the bye week,
Starting point is 00:26:12 which is not an uncommon thing. I really hope it's one. When is the Vikings bye week? Let's pull it. I don't have that on the top of my head. I was throwing it out to see if anyone had. I'll look it up if it's not there. No, I hope it's McCarthy, even if it's painful for a couple weeks. But not hope.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Give me your – so week six is the Vikings bye week. So potentially five games of Sam Darnold make the transition. Week seven on you of J.J. McCarthy. Do you think it happens sooner than that? As of right now, I think he'll be the starter week one. Okay. That's what I expect. And maybe that's just from watching Sam Darnold.
Starting point is 00:26:52 I don't know. But yeah, why are we still high on him? Because he's put up the best numbers in the history of the NFL at the wide receiver position. They improved their offensive line. I think McCarthy's a smart quarterback. The best receiver on this team that's always open is Jefferson.
Starting point is 00:27:09 And he put up insane target numbers when they had – I mean, is J.J. McCarthy a worse starter than the guys they had running it back last year? No, definitely not. You know, he put up 12 for 192 in Week 17 against Detroit. So, yeah, I don't want to be caught stupid with Justin Jefferson. No, he's not ranked number one for any of us. Yeah, we didn't.
Starting point is 00:27:31 Maybe he's five or six. That feels like an insult. It's like Tyreek Hill and CeeDee Lamb. It's very easy. I'm going to take those guys over Justin Jefferson. Jamar Chase, I think that's a closer conversation. For sure. But I also think that's one where you need to be watching what happens,
Starting point is 00:27:48 like Mike said about Sam Darnold. What does preseason look like? What does camp look like? Try to read through the coach speak there. Instagram question from Caleb King. Does Dalton Kincaid lead the Bills in receptions and yards this year? Last year he had the fourth most receptions ever for a rookie tight end. Already a bunch of hype train stuff happening.
Starting point is 00:28:13 Talking about him catching everything and looking amazing in off-season camp activities. It's – he should, but I think that there, I don't think it is a, it's not a slam dunk where you had, you know, to, to steadily to start the season,
Starting point is 00:28:36 both him and Dawson Knox are sharing time on the field. And I'm just, these are just snaps. Of course, Knox is a different archetype of a player. He's blocking more, but you know Dawson Knox goes down to injury he comes back then weeks 14 through 18 Dawson Knox is averaging
Starting point is 00:28:53 about nearly 50 percent of the snaps and Dalton Kincaid at averaging 57 percent of the snaps so he was a rookie should take another step, was a first round pick by the Buffalo Bills. At the time, kind of felt like he's being drafted to be the future of their pass catching. How do you have it statted?
Starting point is 00:29:16 I think that there's... I have Dalton Kincaid right now at tight end six. Is he the leader though in receptions for the Bills? Let me pull that up. Because I do have him leading them in total receptions. I have him with 83 receptions, which would be 10 more than last year. Yes, I do have him leading the team in receptions.
Starting point is 00:29:37 So to answer the question briefly, yeah, we both see it that way. That doesn't mean the leap is into some yeah number one overall spot right his adp right now mike uh kyle just sent this through is the fifth round the fourth pick is that a fair price if he leads the team i think so yes i think so i'd yeah, and you have the projections versus upside are not the same thing. The upside, should Dalton Kincaid take a true year two lead, are top three tight end. Yeah, it is. And I don't know, you know, do we see some of the stalwarts of the tight end position step up and continue to maintain their spots? Is Mark Andrews going to be right back
Starting point is 00:30:28 up there again this year? I believe so. I think a lot of people expect it, but at the same time, I know Trey McBride, high expectations, Laporta, Ingram, Njoku, and then you have players like Pitts. There are more upside angles at tight end this year, in my opinion.
Starting point is 00:30:43 You know how you normally have the group of like three or four? Like this year I see. So who would you – I'll give you Kincaid and I'll give you Pitts. Who else would you put in that category? McBride. Oh, I have McBride as – I know, but you're on drugs. Like you inject Trey McBride statistics.
Starting point is 00:31:00 Yeah, right into the veins, brother. You've converted a spreadsheet into like a drug and you snort it every day. I'm saying that Trey McBride is not in those... For me, he's not in the projections of guys who are like, I think they could take the step. It's no. McBride did
Starting point is 00:31:18 and he is just where among the elite tight ends does he finish? That's how I have it. I mean, it seems like historically we've taken a lot of time before we run up with a crown and hand it to these tight ends. But I feel like you have had this crown stored away for so long that the second Trey McBride put like three games together. It was like, here you go.
Starting point is 00:31:43 I had this thing on layaway. I just want to hear a sentence about why it might not be as great this year from you. But then I would just be lying to you. Yeah, I know. I know. So McBride is in that category for me of decisions between what you expect to be solid guys or upside.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Njoku is still interesting. Njoku was the – people need to know, like, this was the best tight end in football over the last part of the year. Yeah. I know why. It wasn't – but you're talking week seven on, Mike. Yeah. He didn't even have a – he had one fantasy finish outside the top 12
Starting point is 00:32:21 from week seven on. That's almost the whole season. How many of those weeks did he play when he actually had a good game? But was he playing with Deshaun Watson? Do you have Njoku's numbers in front of you? Yeah. Okay. Watson played week nine.
Starting point is 00:32:37 How did it go? He was four for 26 and a touchdown. Okay. He got the score. That's the tight end. Tight end 12. He got the touchdown. This is going to be fun because I got one sheet
Starting point is 00:32:46 up. You have the other sheet up. Don't say week 13. Deshaun Watson played week 10. He was 6 for 58, finished as the tight end 10. That's a good week. It's not bad, but saying the first
Starting point is 00:33:02 three weeks, I don't remember Njoku was... No one needs to that's the the hardest thing for him but you can't blame him for not playing with watson and putting up the numbers that he did no no i'm saying the hardest thing is the team knows for sure now that no joke who can be like the off focal point or the focal point of any given week, and yet his numbers when Deshaun Watson has been the quarterback have been terrible. Everything that's happened with Deshaun Watson as the quarterback
Starting point is 00:33:35 has been terrible. Yes. That's the biggest question. He was the tight end six last year, and he missed a game. That's what N joke who gave you 123 targets 81 for 882 six touchdowns and big plays that's what joseph flacco gave you yeah yeah you know it wasn't just flacco though right they started um dorian thompson robinson a couple times yeah that's his name his name, right? Yeah. Yeah, DTR?
Starting point is 00:34:05 Yeah, DTR. And I think one other, didn't they start one other quarterback? Let me go check. Kyle, do you remember one other name? PJ Walker? Yeah. PJ Walker. Driscoll.
Starting point is 00:34:16 And Jeff Driscoll. So when you say, I mean, he played. Yeah. Joku played with, Flacco was five games, dude. Yeah. Five games, but his run was from week seven on. I just think he's being undervalued. In the open field, David and Joku is unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:34:31 Yeah. If they didn't learn from last year, they're stupid. That's what I'm saying. Where it's so difficult is it wasn't just Flacco. PJ appeared in six games. DTR was in eight. The fact that you had four other quarterbacks and Njoku was able to put up some really strong numbers with those guys
Starting point is 00:34:55 but so rare with Watson. The sample was so small. Watson played what? Six games. It felt like zero. It felt like too many. It was not good, man. Nope.
Starting point is 00:35:07 But they've tied themselves to him. Yeah, buckle up. Buckle up. Buckle up. It is. Yeah, we were talking about him on the Dynasty show, and it really is, unless they take a Russell Wilson salary cap kick to the groin, Watson's there for two years.
Starting point is 00:35:26 The Browns had the most turnovers in the NFL, played five different quarterbacks, and went 11-6. That's amazing. So, you know, keep using Njoku. Instagram question from Alec writes in, says, is Garrett Wilson a trap in redraft? Maybe. I mean, is Aaron Rodgers a good quarterback?
Starting point is 00:35:55 Did you see his quote? But I don't want to go out as a bum or whatever. I don't want to go out as a bum or whatever he said. You know, he welcomes the competition and understands the pressure. We don't need Aaron Rodgers to be great. We need him to be a starting quarterback, a slightly above average starting quarterback, and then Garrett Wilson's fantastic.
Starting point is 00:36:20 That's proven by Joe Flacco giving Amari Cooper a great run at the end of the year. You can come in and be competent. Jefferson was good with Nick Mullins. Just give me a late career Phillip Rivers season in Los Angeles. Evaluating film can be very difficult, but watching
Starting point is 00:36:39 Garrett Wilson routes and the way he can put defenders in a blender and his hands are good. So everything is there. If he sees the same volume and has a quarterback who can actually give him catchable targets, then he won't be a trap. But that's a lot of ifs for a guy who's being drafted as the eighth overall
Starting point is 00:37:04 or eighth wide receiver overall. I don't think he'll be a trap. I don't think so either. That's my lot of ifs for a guy who's being drafted as the eighth overall or eighth wide receiver overall. I don't think he'll be a trap. I don't think so either. That's my final vote, and I think part of the reason why he won't be a trap. Oh, yeah, Garrett played with Flacco. Were those good games, Kyle? Yeah, they were pretty good. I remember.
Starting point is 00:37:18 Yeah, it's passing volume. I mean, I don't think he'll be a trap because I don't know if you can tell me the next best player to catch a football on that team. And Aaron Rodgers is not stupid. When he had Devontae Adams or Jordy Nelson, he throws it to the talent. Yep. He likes guys that are wide open. Yeah. And that's one of Wilson's abilities. So most ever targets through two years, he's been a tease, right? Let's be honest. He makes all the moves and the ball's not near him, and then he's due for some touchdown. It's got to be.
Starting point is 00:37:50 And the Jets are due to get into the red zone for one. Maybe. All right, let's take a quick break and come back with some more questions. All right, Kyle on X says, how do you feel about Chris Olave as a wide receiver? One, for your fantasy team, we're still waiting for a true breakout, but he has high-end traits to be one of the top in the league. Feels like we're talking about Garrett Wilson.
Starting point is 00:38:16 Yeah, all three of them are the same. Drake London, Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson. Yeah, the promise is still there. To me, all three of those guys can really – they can still take the leap forward. Will all three of them do it? I don't know. I mean, probability says that they won't.
Starting point is 00:38:36 They need Joe Flacco, man. Everybody needs Joe Flacco. And funny enough, we were just talking about Chris Alave as well on this week's Dynasty show, and Betts was bringing up, you know, we have a new offensive philosophy, hopefully. I mean, you have a new guy. So last year, Pete Carmichael, the team was 32nd in pre-snap motion. And this is like a real easy stat of when you go,
Starting point is 00:39:05 I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it's like the Miami, San Francisco, any high-powered offense that you think of, they run pre-snap motion all the time because this is a part of what the NFL needs right now. They were dead last in it. They bring in Clint Kubiak, so another one of the Kubs, coming from San Francisco.
Starting point is 00:39:26 This will be in there. This will be a much more. So I'll want to watch the television this year? That was so hard to watch last year. This will be a more modern offense, no matter what. Maybe they don't become great, but they will be much improved over last year. And an interesting tweet here from Football Insights.
Starting point is 00:39:48 Chris Olave, 3.13 yards per route run with motion the last two regular seasons. That would be third for all wide receivers behind Tyreek, behind CeeDee Lamb. So Olave, when they've gotten things going around, when they've actually used a modern approach to an NFL offense, good things have happened. I want to play a game with you, and I'm going to read you a name. Okay. And you're going to tell me whether they're one of the Saints wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:40:21 All right. I want to play a game. all right so just say saints wide receiver i mean i've also asked no no i've also asked chat gbt to give me some random names okay so i'm mixing in like you don't know all right um let's start here with uh kyle sheets no yeah he is a four stringer for the saints All right. Let's start here with Kyle Sheets. No. Yeah, he is a four-stringer for the Saints. All right. Next name, Stanley Morgan.
Starting point is 00:40:55 Stanley? No. No way. Yeah, third stringer with the Saints. Morgan Stanley? Nope, Stanley Morgan, my friend. Let's go here. Andrew Brooks. Let's say no. No, not a Saints wide receiver. Yeah, my friend. Let's go here. Andrew Brooks. Let's say no.
Starting point is 00:41:06 No, not a Saints wide receiver. Yeah, all right. We got one. Let's go with Mason Tipton. Look, bro. Rasheed Shaheed. Yeah. A.T. Perry.
Starting point is 00:41:18 Yeah. Chris Olave. Mm-hmm. These are the only guys of note right now. Yeah. By the way, Mason Tipton, one of the third stringers for the Saints. Also, Jermaine Jackson, Bub Means. Oh, yeah, Bub.
Starting point is 00:41:29 They just drafted Bub Means. Equinamia St. Brown. So, yeah, all the pre-step motion in the world is not going to help you from Stanley Morgan. But, yeah, Rashid Shaheed is going to get targets. And so is Juwan Johnson. And let's be honest, their wide receiver, too, his name Shahid is going to get targets, and so is Juwan Johnson. And let's be honest, their wide receiver, too, his name is Alvin Kamara. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:51 Juwan Johnson is sneaky. He is, and I know he was sneaky last year, and as a whole, it did not work out. End of season. End of season, you're like, oh, there it is. There's Juwan Johnson. There you are, Peter. Yeah. He'll be a fun name to monitor over training camp
Starting point is 00:42:11 to see if he gets the same type of buzz that he got last year. He was hurt in the final week of the year and only played 46% of snaps the previous three weeks, tied in 1-4-9. Yep. And he just did not get off to a good start. So it'll be interesting if, you know, the offense changes under Kubiak and what that means for the tight ends, but I'm sure that you're going to have some interesting names
Starting point is 00:42:38 catching passes this year. All right. Jacob wants to know, Instagram question, Chase Brown or Zach Moss in a full PPR? So the Bengals, I'm putting together a little research project here, trying to figure out what would be viewed as an ambiguous backfield because this team doesn't have a running back currently being drafted inside the top 24 running backs. So, like, saying we just don't know who it is for sure,
Starting point is 00:43:15 and the Cincinnati Bengals are in that camp right now between Zach Moss and Chase Brown. Chase Brown is what we have listed as 510205 to me this is Zach Moss I know that the deal wasn't not a lot of money
Starting point is 00:43:34 it wasn't a lot but it was 3 million guaranteed it was one of those pretty quick in the free agency process that they're like we're going to move on from from Joe Mixon you know the whole saga of he was going to get cut and then he ends up getting traded at the last second Chase Brown seemed to not be trusted in you know in actual pass protection and Zach Moss is Zach Moss was very good last year and it's one of the things Jason would often say.
Starting point is 00:44:06 Yeah, yeah, Jason, big Zach Moss guy. Yeah. But if you listen to our mock draft episode from Tuesday where I was trying to lay out some of these running backs in weird situations of – or not weird, but in good situations where you say, is this player good? Do I know if this player is good or not?
Starting point is 00:44:24 I don't think we know yet on Zach Moss. That's the risk. Yeah. Oh, that's why he's being drafted later. Yeah, the risk is just if he's not good, he doesn't have to be their guy. But if he is good, then he'll get 65% to 70% of the work. I think Moss is good. This is Zach Moss.
Starting point is 00:44:41 That's the pick for me as well. I agree. Scoot Warner says, how do I know when it's time to give up and let my toddler make my draft picks? That's a really good question. Don't give up, Scoot. There's a few moments that you do know. There are some signals.
Starting point is 00:45:03 If you look at your roster at any point during the draft and you have two or more Carolina Panthers on the team, that's when you hand it off to the toddler. That's good. That's one of the markers. If you draft any of the tight ends Mike likes, you want to hand that off to the toddler at that point in time.
Starting point is 00:45:21 How dare you. YouTube question from Phillip. Do you think I could get the 101 for Jamar Chase in a dynasty? And should I consider offering? Yeah, if you draft Stanley Morgan, it's also another
Starting point is 00:45:37 opportunity to hand the picks to your toddler. Or your portfolio. You do want to hand your portfolio off, not your team. That's smart. Jamar Chase. Could you get the 101 for Jamar Chase? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:53 Yeah. Not everywhere, but in a good amount of leagues, yes. Should I consider offering it? Like, I mean, this is – no. I would rather have Jamar Chase than Marvin Harrison. Is it close at all? I mean, it's like. What if you're fully rebuilding and Jamar.
Starting point is 00:46:10 It's like Glendale to Scottsdale close. You know what I mean? Same state. About 30 minutes. 30 minutes away. Freeway drive. But I'm not crossing state lines. Yeah, I'm still going to take Jamar Chase over Marv.
Starting point is 00:46:24 Yeah. And readily accept that that could be a bad decision after this year. Do you think we should commit to more local, regional humor? You think that will land with city-based humor from Phoenix?
Starting point is 00:46:41 I think people really like it. Yeah, I think they get it. So like what's now? Borrow's Pizza? That's a local pizza chain here. We'll do Borrow's jokes. Oh, it's great. All right, we'll keep it regional.
Starting point is 00:46:55 What we should do is use AI, and every location that people hear the podcast, AI switches those two cities to two cities that are near them. So it seems like we cater to everybody. And then they're like, these guys are like my best friends. They live right next to me. Right? That would be very funny. Yeah. So can we work on that, Deucers. We're on it. Thank you. All right. Question on IG. I have Saquon.
Starting point is 00:47:29 This is from Matt Sink. I have Saquon and A.J. Brown in Dynasty. Should I be looking to move one of them? Not really. No. No, I'm fine. The Eagles will be a strong offense, and both of these players individually are going to be great players. Yeah, two Panthers, not great.
Starting point is 00:47:49 Two Eagles, sure. Yeah, I think you're fine there. IG question from Doan. In Dynasty, would you rather trade away Jalen Hurts or Anthony Richardson? Come on, guys. Well, it's the balance of if you trade Jalen Hurts, you're going to get way more. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:07 So do you want way more and taking the risk of the next big quarterback or keeping the elite quarterback and just getting what you can for Richardson? I think I bit my tongue. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You think? Yeah, I did bite my tongue. Confirmed. Adam Schefter reporting. hold on hold on hold on you think yeah i did bite my tongue okay confirmed
Starting point is 00:48:25 adam shepter reporting i have never bit my tongue and thought hold on did i bite my eye did you did someone else bite your tongue is that no jay grizz bit my tongue um yeah so that's new what What were you doing? I don't know. I was just kind of fooling around. Oh, man. Could you go on? Yeah, no, I'm good. I'm not bleeding or anything. I'm good.
Starting point is 00:48:59 All right, well, we'll close it out with this YouTube question from OG Ghost. We have a punishment in our league where the last place person has to stay at a Waffle House for 24 hours. Yeah, so the waffle challenge. Yeah, if you eat one waffle, you can knock off one hour of time. The problem is last place has already confirmed he won't be doing it. Outside of just kicking him from the league, do you have any suggestions or penalties we could implement this season
Starting point is 00:49:22 in the season or in the draft for people that don't complete the punishment for finishing last. So the last place person agreed to this before and now isn't doing it? I would have to believe so. What's wrong? I mean, waffles are delicious. Yeah, but have you not seen video of people trying to do it? Yeah, I know. I mean, it's like how many of those waffles could you actually eat? We've talked about this. I think I could get 12 down, and I'd be sitting there for 12 more hours. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:49:53 Eat a waffle, wait an hour. That's probably – is that the pace you want to do? It could be. We need to break down the whole spreadsheet. Has anybody had the inherent danger of being at a Waffle House included into the punishment? I think that's a known thing. If you spend 12 hours in a Waffle House, do you leave? Do you leave fully intact?
Starting point is 00:50:16 Yeah, like with all of your possessions? I think there's a chance of no. You better eat quick. But for the question, I it's that's so lame that is so lame if you were part especially if people have already done this and then it's it's known everyone agrees these are the stakes yeah it's that's the breaking of the the trust if you all agreed in the beginning to do it and then he lost and he's a sour sport and doesn't want to do it i think if it's important enough for the league you can boot
Starting point is 00:50:50 him yeah and if it's not that important and you like the guy and you want him in there then don't make this that big of a deal it's it's it's so bad man it's so bad because this one person now is above the league right they will feel like i don't know i can do whatever i want and like i don't have to abide by the rules of of this league is yeah i i do i think like imagine you go imagine you're in anywhere you make a financial bet it goes. You lose. And this is when people are coming with bats for your legs. It's a bet. If this, then that. A contract has been made, and the contract needs to be honored.
Starting point is 00:51:36 It's not a big deal, man. Just eat some waffles, man. Go goof around and bring a laptop. Get some work done. Bring whatever, a book. There's no way that he's going to hear any of this stuff we're saying because if you've been listening to the show, there's no way he's in this position.
Starting point is 00:51:54 I can agree with that. You know what I mean? All right, that is going to do it for today's episode. Sorry. Just go do it. Just go eat some waffles, man. Tuesday, we've got Fantasy Wild Cards wild cards on the show oh wild cards already yeah and then we've got an explain yourself episode excellent so dk metcalf dk metcalf jason go ahead
Starting point is 00:52:15 and uh that's on thursday we'll be back intact then and um wait i i had a request for what hold on i gotta find a drop really quick. It's important. Who was doing... Oh. We have new ones. We're just going to keep going with this one? Okay.
Starting point is 00:52:41 Yeah, I like that part. Do we have new ones? Yes. Did we have new ones? Yes. Do we have some of the staff make us some songs? We have some. Remember Jason put out just that banger. Okay. So we're going to work some in?
Starting point is 00:52:53 Yes. We've got nine days left. I would love to. So there you go. Ultimate. UDK. UDK. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:53:02 Come on. I do remember now. Yeah. All right. That'll do it for today's show. Thank you for joining us. Shout out to the Deucers and Deucer's Alley for keeping things on lockdown. Bye.
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