Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - The TRUTH: RBs Part 2 + Late Round Hits - Fantasy Football Podcast for 1/28

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

Conference Championship reactions and THE TRUTH on today’s fantasy football podcast! Running Back TRUTH Part 2 including Joe Mixon, Bucky Irving, Chase Brown, and many others! Get a deep dive look at consistency numbers, weekly performances, and 2025 outlooks. Plus, the latest coach hirings and how they impact fantasy football! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for January 28th, 2025. (00:00) - Intro  (00:30) - Playoff Games Recap (09:20) - NFL News (21:30) - RB Truth Part 2 (25:52) - Alvin Kamara (29:35) - James Conner (33:35) - Chase Brown (37:20) - Chuba Hubbard (42:40) - Joe Mixon (46:40) - Jonathan Taylor (50:30) - Aaron Jones (53:30) - Bucky Irving & Rachaad White (57:21) - David Montgomery (01:00:50) - Breece Hall (01:06:10) - Najee Harris Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Check out today's sponsors: News & Notes presented by USAA. Visit https://USAA.com/Insurance Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're done? Pack it up? Yeah, we're done. Pack it in? Oh, no, man, no. I disagree with you. Are you talking about the season like we're all, we're good here?

It's a wrap. I think Andy is disappointed in the Super Bowl outcome of who's playing it. Emma, is that what the take is? Tongue in cheek, yes. I'm not actually, I mean, when it arrives, it will be an event. We're watching history and You know that's what will be on TV that day I

Get it. I think everyone in the world, you know, you're always rooting for the underdog No one's rooting for the Chiefs this last weekend unless you're from Kansas City or you're wearing your kids chiefs hat No one was rooting for them And I and I think on the's hat. No one was rooting for them. And I think on the other side, everyone was rooting for Jaden Daniels in the Cinderella story of the Commander. So I totally get that. But I think people are really missing the fact that I think the two best teams are in the Super Bowl, and they're both

incredibly awesome teams. And it's a rematch from a couple years ago. There's a lot of storylines I actually like about this. I could tell that was the angle you were going to take on the show today. You want to know why? Tell me because you're the only person in our live game slack channel That didn't think Josh Allen got the first down. So I knew I knew we were coming in here I didn't think you got it either. I knew we were coming in here and you would be you know I mean make no mistake. I was rooting for the Bills.

I was very upset with a lot of the play calling, the constant fails, failures on the single tush push. There is. Taking James Cook out of the game way too often. Yeah, and I think that was blood's pickup stuff and I agree with you on the take. I saw you tweet that. I do feel a sense, we have a responsibility.

I wanna get this off on the right track. I wanna put the fandom of the NFL, the average NFL fan on the right pathway here, which is not to focus on, did they get the first down, or this play, did it hit the ground or any of those? I mean, yes, there were some bad calls. In my opinion, there were some bad calls. Game was still a great game. Big plays still had to happen. Two third downs and had to happen at the end of the game, which Andy Reid is just unstoppable on those.

You know, what makes the Chiefs more irritating is that they don't mess them up. And that's what comes down to Mahomes. Like, Samaaj P. Ryan for the third down line to gain in the game instead of giving us a minute with Josh Allen. He hadn't played in the game. Can you drop it? What if you drop it?

What if you screwed up? What if the Chiefs screw up? What if the chief screwed up? What if they had a player like Dalton Kincade that had the ball go right through Hedarian? And it doesn't have to be someone that has been a failure like Dalton Kincade. You've seen Saquon Barkley have a couple of those mess ups this year and drop the importance. Mark Andrews a great player. Just screw up, Casey.

Nobody screws up there. But you know what's funny is like- Now they win. Mahomes is really, really good. And we can complain about the calls. We could complain about the short area passing versus his heyday of airing it out. But it's like, put him aside, Andy Reid is so good. Like Mahomes did nothing great on that third down.

I was watching the play, I'm rooting against the Chiefs. I see the whole play develop, the entire offense goes to the right and there's Peter I just leak it out hidden No one could see him wide open here like that is such a good design and on the play where it can K drops the Miracle throw from Josh Allen the fadeaway jumper From the back right corner look he had Shakira on the same P Ryan play on the left side of the field wide open That could have been the read Look, he had Shakir on the same P Ryan play on the left side of the field, wide open.

That could have been the read. It's funny because you said, okay, give Andy Reed credit, give him a Holmes credit. They deserve a lot of credit. What's crazy though is it was the supporting cast. It's the spagnola. It's the defensive side of the ball. Josh Allen has played in his three games against the Chiefs in the playoffs. He hasn't thrown in interception.

He hasn't fumbled the football, he has nine touchdowns, he's done literally everything you can do, but you can't stop the Chiefs with 13 seconds left two years ago. You can't stop the Chiefs on third down twice on the final drive. He is... As an Arizona native.

It's tough, man. As an Arizona native, I have always thought, and I think statistically speaking across the major sports, and I don't count baseball in that, we are the saddest fan base. We've had winning franchises, we've never won anything of relevance. The Cardinals have never won a Super Bowl, they never will. The Suns have never won the championship, they never will. But we got nothing on the Bills. I feel so bad for the Bills fans who have,

I mean they just, they root through the bad times, through the good times, and they've had so many good times that will never, ever result in the championship. I feel, it's just, it's so sad. One team wins every year. Everybody else failed. They still can. Everybody else screwed it up.

You mean the Chiefs? The Chiefs win every year. So I agree. It's kind of boring in terms of fatigue, like the two teams that are there. But looking it up, because I was like, I don't know. Because this is a game of not just this year. Like that's how I'm going to try and look

at this game in my brain. This is a game, this is my brain. This is a game. This is a legacy. This is greatness. You either have the three-peat from Mahomes, which that will be a, it's never been done. And that will be, even if he doesn't catch Tom Brady. That'll be its own marker.

If you're like, that guy got three in a row, and it would be what, four and five years, something like that, you're like, maybe he's, maybe we can just call it, say that's the greatest of all time, and then on the other side, there's one quarterback who has two Super Bowl victories, at least my quick research while you guys were talking, Kyle, you can correct me if you know,

there's only one quarterback in the Super Bowl era who has two Super Bowl wins and is not in the Hall of Fame. I mean, Eli, we still have time to go for him to see if he gets in or not, but Jim Plunkett has two Super Bowl wins with the Raiders and no Hall of Fame. Am I right on that, Kyle? You go ahead and vet that. I've never thought of,

well, is Jaylen Hurts gonna be a Hall of Fame title? You mean two Super Bowl appearances? I was gonna say you'd have to get another championship after this year. Oh, oh, he didn't. We were at that game. We didn't win, yeah, no. We had really good season there, Mike.

You were right there, Mike. I was mixing the Eagles win in, or the Nick Foles won. Yeah. Okay. My bad, everybody. So just undo most of what you said? I guess it's not, well well what a boring game, but hey For sake one that's the only side of that of that team that I want to win

You can't win a second Super Bowl without the first so this is the beginning of your argument. That's true I agree sake one is the storyline on the eagle side that I'm rooting for the most I hate to admit it, but like I know you don't you don't hate to admit it I agree. Saquon is the storyline on the Eagle side that I'm rooting for the most I Hate to admit it, but like I know you don't know hate to admit. Oh, I do I don't want to say it out loud Oh, no, you've been saying it every way shape and form. I think I'm room for the big ref big chiefs over here No, you've always been big ref. Not anymore. I'm getting get rid of all formation rules. Um Yeah, 55 23 Eagles over the commander

32 29 chiefs over the Bills a much closer game for the commander's Eagles than that score I mean the majority of the game was pretty close and they were they were with I mean, I they were with 11 points. I mean there you go. I mean there you go. That's a two score game. But that's a close game. They had one drive in the middle of the game that they turned the ball over for the third time where they could have brought it closer. When you're down by 11 and you have the ball, that's a close game. I will say that I just felt bad for Jayden Dados who played outstanding because his team kept fumbling the ball.

Yeah, they did. Yeah, you don't win giving up 55 points in three turnovers. But once you get to the end of the game, like they had to go for it. It was like fourth and long on the 30 or so. It's like, well, we don't have a choice. And that's when the score gets blown out of proportion. I thought that game was fantastic.

Washington played a really strong game despite giving up 55 points in the end. And the future for the commanders is very, very bright. All right, we will talk some more news. News and notes from around the league presented by USA insurance The Raiders hired Adam Thielen as their head coach. Oh wait that's Pete Carroll. 73 years young.

He does seem younger than than several head coaches. Yeah I actually think it's a very good hire. You've got a guy who... I actually think it's a very good hire. You've got a guy who. I don't know what's going on today. No, what is happening here? No, it's not. Wait.

No, it's not. I'm not allowed to have my own opinions here if they don't follow yours? You are, but you're just wrong. Okay, let's hear it. Okay, here's, I believe that the Raiders, as an organization, have not been the most functional. Right, you've got this owner at the top who's obviously been a little bit too meddling.

And you're going from, a lot of times random head coach to random head coach, Gruden was a stabilizing force, but that obviously ended in an upheaval, a bad fact. Catastrophe. Yes, because of things that weren't really football related. Right. Pete Carroll is a stabilizing force. I know he's old. He's 73.

That's insanely old for a head coach. However, he doesn't- For a human. I don't- Sure, for a human, for any job. For a working human, 73 is extremely old. But he's an outlier. I mean, you could say that at 31 is extremely old for a running back. That's also a fact that's true. But Derrick Henry's an outlier. I mean you could say that it's 31 is extremely old for a running back

That's also a fact that's true But Derek Henry's an outlier and I think Pete Carroll has more energy than I have has pretty much always been part of winning programs and When he got fired, it was a surprise. I don't think people he wasn't on the hot seat And so I believe he is a good coach. So when I look at- He did hire Biden as offensive coordinator. It makes sense.

I mean, they're, you know, probably cousins. Just get all the old guys. You know, this is to me when I'm thinking, is it a good hire for a head coach? My first question is, well, is he a good coach? I think he is. I'm gonna agree with Jason on this, on the principle that of what was remaining,

which they failed horribly to acquire any of the coaches they actually wanted, this was the one that's gonna most positively impact the locker room and probably be a bridge to a future situation. Now- It was not a long-term plan. I mean, I'll get on with it.

I won't say that. If they end up like some, I think Jeremiah's mock draft has Shadoor Sanders there at six. You know, we've seen Pete Carroll and a rookie quarterback before make waves. Players will respect Pete Carroll, I agree with that, Brooks. You have a situation that was kind of just dysfunctional through and through over the last few years.

So, you know, in that regard, look, it's probably a better NFL to see Pete Carroll chewing bubblegum on the sidelines and Peach Cobbler back in the business. Ah, Peach Cobbler. I'm in full agreement that Pete Carroll is an excellent coach. It's just, he's 73 and the Raiders' job is, that thing is the ashes right now.

There is absolute nothing. That's how you get another job at 73, I'll tell you that. You're trying to build your program up with, like Pete Carroll has taken over an orphaned dynasty team. That's what has happened. And Pete Carroll, I mean. He's probably got more testosterone than the three of us combined.

For sure. There was the video of him getting into office in Raiders office today, and I'm like I'm analyzing this and it's that guy does not walk around like he is 73 like they're good. He just I do he could just move Like when I'm walking down the hall, I'm like, oh, my hip. 73. Like, it, oh. I hope it works. Do you like it more or less than the Jaguars and Liam Cohen? We had the absolute, what, like a three movie spectacle,

the Liam Cohen adventures. We announced on our show. Yeah, we did. We had it in the news that. Which was reported because of it being reported by, you know. Yeah, I mean, it was officially reported, obviously it was not officially signed, that he was remaining with the Bucs as the head coach,

as great for continuity and all of that. OC. As the OC. And, um. Eight. Nope. Eight offensive coordinators in eight years for Baker Mayfield now.

That's gotta be a record. And Liam Cohen, what happened is he had, they had extended him the contract to make him the highest paid offensive coordinator ever, and he hadn't signed it. And instead of signing it on Thursday morning, he secretly, He feats, and under the cover of darkness.

He secretly traveled on a quote, he reported a personal matter to Tampa Bay. It was very personal. At that point you have to take that job. And then went to Jacksonville. Didn't tell them that he was in Jacksonville. And kind of, yeah, set up the next tenure here in. Do you think, because this.

Jaguar country. It's funny, the way that that process played out, I keep going back and forth, obviously, these are humans with relationships, Baker, Bowles, they're a friend to this man. But also, friends can piss you off and do things to end friendships. And I wonder if the fact that it seemed like,

oh, you're coming back and then you secretly go and get another job, are they happy for him? Or are they mad at him? Mad. Yeah, I mean, that was my first guess. Yeah, because I think they're gonna feel a level of betrayal. And it, like, this all didn't happen, the reexamination of the hire,

that didn't happen until the Jaguars fired the GM, right? Yes, Trent Balke. Which was, like, to me, it's like, this is one of the problems of the Jaguars fired the GM, right? Which was, to me, this is one of the problems of the Jags, of why are you gonna go take that job if you have a GM who you don't have faith in, and this person's controlling so much of my job right now, I don't wanna be a part of it, and it was a shock that they kept him on, when the season first ended, it kind of figured like

this would be a full clear house they didn't it almost costs them getting their guy but eventually they make the decision to bring Cohen in. I forgot that that was the that was the the zoom interview yes the owner and the GM are both on it and they were asked like would you replace the GM and he's like yeah if something better came along I would Right there you know you're gonna start seeing the Travis ETN and the Bucky Irving role type of videos coming out and all of them the projection of how they might run the Jacksonville offense

Cuz I how it always works well I look with Jacksonville Some teams you might be able to do that and say you know what? This is gonna really be special when this guy comes into this situation I'm gonna make them show me that first on the field in Jacksonville with the way that Trevor Lawrence has been inconsistent ETN inconsistent Maybe it makes you more excited about stability for Brian Thomas jr. Moving forward But the problem with the bucky Irving role, in quotes, is that it was him. Like, the role was, he's super explosive, and he's breaking tackles and getting away from people.

If you wanna talk about the Rashad White role from a couple years ago where he was a great pass catcher, that makes sense, that was more of the role. Well, today's the truth episode part two for writing back, so we will talk about both Bucky and Mr. White. Yeah. The Seahawks replaced the one year trial of Ryan Grub with Clint Kubiak, their new offensive coordinator.

All right. Run that ball. I mean, this, you know, Grub, I think this is a defensive head coach that wants to run the ball. Grub came in, said all the right things, said he was gonna run the ball, and then they threw it a lot. And I don't think that wants to run the ball. Grubb came in, said all the right things, said he was gonna run the ball, and then they threw it a lot, and I don't think that that was what was desired.

The Cowboys hired Brian Schottenheimer to be their next head coach. They're gonna hire Matt Eberfluss as their defensive coordinator. All right, guys, tell me how to feel about Schottenheimer. This one is fascinating. So if 10 is excited, and one is as unexcited as you can get, Brooks as a cowboy fan, you're on the microphone, I think. Do we have Brooks

with us? Yeah, sorry, which is the least excited side? The small number, Brooks. The small number, Brooks. We'll give him a two. OK. I think that's been the general sentiment. Jerry Jones coming out and saying, look, I can live outside the box. Here's a guy without coaching experience. I'm making him my head coach. Did you see him get teary-eyed at the press conference?

I think that was today talking about how he's known this guy and he's talked to a bunch of people about him and... I mean, look, I'm fine with it. I really am. What's your one through ten? Excitement? Excitement. It can't be more than a four. I am a four. A four in excitement, but an eight in consistency. So like we thought losing Kellen Moore would lead to the demise of the offense and instead what it led to was the success of Dak Prescott as a fantasy asset and CD Lamb as a fantasy asset to the nth degree. So in that regard you're going to have stability and to that I'm happy about that because those are the players that I care about on that offense. Yeah Jerry Jones did confirm that Schottenheimer is

going to be the play caller as well, at least to start, which could be good news for going from McCarthy trying to get a little bit more action in the motion, you know, pre-snap stuff that the Cowboys didn't really do. And it could be, like, everything in the NFL is chicken or egg, you know, do you have the offense? Do you have the players that can actually run the offense? But there was an ESPN write-up that Hayden Winx had tweeted about with the quote,

in 12 years as a playcaller, Schottenheimer had four offenses finished inside the top 10 in points per game and three times in the top half in the league in yards per game. So we have plenty of years of shot and hire. It's like, oh, he was with the Jets. So it's hard to really know. But did they win?

I don't really care about wins or losses. I care about points. For fantasy, yeah. So. Well, we were talking philosophically why they would hire a player or hire a coach. They do seem to care about wins in the NFL. Yes, and he has, as an OC, win-loss percentage,

aside from last year, the four years before that, with a couple years with Seattle, it's good. Right. I'm just curious. I don't know the answer to that, but Bobby Sloak went from a hot. Oh my goodness. Bobby Sloak was the offensive coordinator for the Texans,

now fired. We bemoaned his play calling from the jump this year after loving it last year. It's one of the reasons Houston believes they took a step back with CJ Stroud was predictable play calling no adjustments Basically everything that Liam Cohen did well slow it did poorly that man flew In not too close to the Sun. He flew into the Sun

Sometimes you're projected to be a top-five pick and you go back. Yeah college Yep, and it don't work out and your career never happens. That was Bobby Sloan. He could have had any of the jobs last year, whatever was open last year. You didn't want to take them, but whoops. I'm impressed by the Texans to make the change. It's very difficult to go to the second round of the playoffs, two years in a row, and then say we need to remove our offensive coordinator. But having that kind of thoughtful introspection

on what is good and what could be improved, I'm pretty impressed, because the play calling was, I think, very poor. All right, that was today's News and Notes, presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at usaa.com slash insurance. We'll take a break. We'll hit the running backs.

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We still have a Saints head coaching job to figure out, don't we? Yes, there was a... Is Cliff going to end up in so Joe Brady or? Mike McCarthy Maybe I mean there's like you said it's slim Pickens left Joe Brady has elected to remain with Buffalo He's going to stay he was garnering interest and so I think What happened here is he saw what Liam Cohen did on? like I'm totally I'm totally gonna stay with the Bucs.

And then the Jags were like, oh, we'll steal ya. I don't know, not really. That is the last coaching job left. We also, Cliff can interview now, he's got time. Monkin, Todd Monkin, the OC for the Ravens, it was also, I don't know if he signed it. Coming on back, yeah. Or if they were working on the extension, but that's, whew, that's fantastic news

for Ravens Fantasy Football. All right, we're back into the running backs. We covered the top eight last week. Today we'll get into the names like Kamara, Connor, Chase Brown, Jonathan Taylor, and talk about the truth, which is our analysis of their consistency and their

actual value to your fantasy team when contrasted to their fantasy finish and how impactful were they? We talked through eight names. One of the headline takeaways for running backs in 2024 was that, well, it wasn't a year for Zero RB. The elite running backs they crushed. Yes, McCaffrey was a bust with the 101 or 102 in your league, but you look at the next 10 guys off the board, you had a lot of hits. Bijon, Gibbs, Saquon, Kyron, Henry, A-chan, these are names that we brought up in the first Running Back Truth episode. There was a small pocket of late round hits that happened. Chase Brown in the 10th round, Chuba Hubbard in the 11th round, but it took Chase Brown

a while to get going, so that didn't help you right out of the gate. And then J.K. Dobbins was a contributor, so there was a little run there in the 10th, 11th, and 13th round. There was reinforcements. There wasn't, like these weren't good. Not league winners. Yeah, well, I mean, Chase Brown was a league winner, but if you managed to hold onto him long enough,

it wasn't a week two, oh, here we go. Here was the late round hit that's gonna be consistent all year long. They were like band-aids for the season. I will say that when projecting out these late round guys, gotta give credit to Mike, cause he was talking about the teams that you want being Chargers, Bengals, Cowboys,

and those were three of the only later round running backs that did much of anything I think the real reason zero RB didn't work is there wasn't a bunch of waiver wire pickups because the top guys You know didn't get injured So the waiver wire is usually where the anti fragility Becomes a strength. Yes, and outside of Bucky at the very end of the season There wasn't wasn't a whole lot. Yeah, when you outside of Bucky at the very end of the season there wasn't wasn't a whole lot Yeah, when you bring out Bucky

I start to think about the narrative and data that surrounds that you know that there's a rookie writing back that always ends up in that Top tier well it wasn't the ones you it wasn't you know Trey Benson wasn't one of those guys and Johnny's and brockham Blake Corum It wasn't anybody that was predictably drafted even towards the end March on Lloyd. Those were the four names that got brought up a ton. Even Jaylen Wright, none of those guys contributed. The guy that contributed was a free agent running back, Bucky Irving, who came in and just kind of stole away the job and then we had.

Tyrone Tracy for the Giants was pretty good. All right, so a quick refresh reminder for you. We're looking at their game log, how many great games of 21 or more points, how many good games, 12 or more points, how many bust games, fewer than seven points. Coming in at number nine on the fantasy finish list with a consistency rank of six, tried and true.

Alvin Kamara, we did it again. Now we got hurt down the stretch. So if you, you know, Kamara and James Connor to me were two of the best running back values for the entire season, right? You had Kamara in the fifth round, Connor in the fifth round, both of those guys in the top 12. And Kamara did it for you pretty much the whole year you just didn't get him during the fantasy playoffs yeah that was a real shame and I'm not sure how much of that was you know towards the very the very very end of the season you

know the final three weeks was just shut him down because you had no one else out there he's a veteran you you know you you don't have your quarterback you don't have your wide receiver you don't have your wide receiver. You don't have your tight end. Like everybody got injured. So why put him out there? I'm going to be honest with you. He's 29 years old. I'm not usually in on, you know, aging running backs in the end of their thirties. I'm going to be in on Camaro. I feel like we've worried about his age for the last two seasons and he just catches the ball so much that for fantasy football purposes, I think he has a very safe floor.

He wasn't always having those incredibly powerful, week-winning performances. He did very early in the season, like week two. But it was very hard for him to not have a good fantasy game when you're targeted as much as he is. There is a, yeah, there he is. There is a comfort level with Derek Carr being back and they seem to have confidence that Derek Carr

is gonna be the quarterback. That gives me confidence that, you know, he will throw the ball to Alvin Kamara and take the path of least resistance oftentimes in the offense. He was much better against bottom half defenses, like eight fantasy points per game better when it was a matchup that you know, you could see coming, so to speak, and defenses that weren't strong, you know, he's just

been so consistent and he is very much in the Derek Henry category, I think, in people's minds and fantasy now, where it's like, well, you know it won't last forever, but do you just keep enjoying this and ride it right into the ground, because he doesn't really have to do a lot to give you a lot in fantasy with the receiving work. Yeah, and that kind of stretched there. So like week seven through 14, where he's still

giving you pretty much top 15 type numbers, but because of the Saints, where the team was at that time, they just weren't scoring. And Alvin Camaro wasn't scoring. So for him to be able to do all of those, to give you that level of fantasy when he's not getting the ridiculous touchdowns, I think it's a good sign for next year.

His ADP will be fascinating to me. I don't think it'll be that high. He's not going to move up much. But does he just chill out in the fifth round? Because then, yeah, sure. He'll be fourth. I definitely think he'll be fifth or later. I mean, he was the fifth round this year and he was great this

this season prior on a per game basis, got injured at the end of the year. It was very similar to this year. And I think next year going he's going to be 30. I think he's in the fifth and I'll I'll draft him. He is just fun fact. He is a few months younger than Austin Eckler. So, you know, the nice thing is his contract situation he's under contract for a couple more years. Yeah and they made an

effort to bring him back to make him the you know. The way that the Saints operate I assume they'll have to give him a contract extension soon and kick that money further down. James Connor, I just mentioned him, he comes in at number 10, consistency rank was 13. I'll be honest, he felt more consistent than that as someone who had him on my roster. He did have a couple just absolute disappearing games, but first half consistency rank was 14, second half 15,

better against bad defenses, much better at home. Six points better at home. 13% great games, 69% good games, 25% busts. I didn't give you those numbers for Kamara. Kamara was 21% great, 71% good, 7% busts. So they're very similar. The bust games were really frustrating for James Connor because it never looked like his fault.

And it probably wasn't. Yeah, I mean there were games where it was really frustrating watching where it's like this is the locomotive to your team. Did you count our week 17? Week 17 is in this data. Which he got hurt on the first play, didn't play anymore. Correct. So that's one of the...

Basically, yeah. But you would have played him, and honestly, if you had him and you were in the championship, you know that week 17 counted. If, for context, you just were curious what it would be like without that, I could get it. Maybe that's why it felt that way to me, is that he was a little bit better than 13. He would be consistency rank of running back 10.

Okay, he felt much more like 10. Yeah. So what do you think about James Connor? He signed a two-year extension in late November to stay with Arizona. Very much the identity of the team. You know, we talk about Philadelphia and the transition to being Saquon's team. I feel like that happened this year in Arizona. Like it went from Kyler's team to Connor's team in some ways. You saw the commitment from the team in signing him again.

This really is, he is the heart of this offense. So you can make a strong argument that the way he played down the stretch was incredible. He should be drafted highly with confidence. However, he's not the, he doesn't have like, you know, we're just talking about Camara. Camara had 89 targets and missed three games. If you compare that to James Connor, his receiving work, he can be a good

receiver, but he's not to that level. So I worry if you lose a step, like if both of these guys lose a step, Camara and Connor, I think Camara will be fine for fantasy and Connor will turn to dust. So I'm I'm a little bit more worried. I think Camaro will be fine for fantasy and Conor will turn to dust. So I'm a little bit more worried. I saw nothing on film to make me worry that he will turn to dust, but that's what happens with these, you know, Sean Alexander's who go from being one of the best running backs in the entire league to the next year just, you know, just one step too slow is too slow in the NFL. And I think he'll be, he's gonna I think he'll be another great value pick to me next year.

I think that he has at least one year. That dynasty-wise, does he have two? I don't know. But I'm going to put the chips on him having at least one more really strong season. He stayed mostly... So many games over 100 yards. Mostly healthy, scored eight times on the ground, had one receiving touchdown, but 414 receiving yards.

So yeah, I mean, he's definitely going to be in that category of guys that just doesn't move up in fantasy dress. Right. It just won't happen at his age and with Arizona and no excitement of any kind around the franchise ever again. Because James Connor will not be a ceiling pick where you're like, oh, this is the year that he can have an outlier season to give me 1300 rushing yards and 14 rushing touchdowns. That seems impossible.

Yeah, that's why he's going to be a dead zone running back. And what you're hoping for is that he just has another season like this one where he's consistent, has enough touchdowns around the goal line, and is still breaking tackles next year. He's a lunch pail guy for your fantasy team. Yeah. At 11, Chase Brown, 24 years old, drafted in the 10th round as the RB 41. Here's a diamond in the rough. Consistency rank of 10 and even more impressive. Go look at that second half where he was the third most consistent running back in football and

it's pretty fair to look at the second half alone because he was sharing time with Zach Moss Was not the guy to start the year in the first couple games Ends up 25% great games despite that 63% good 19% bust great at home and on the road great against top and bottom defenses And you just need the Zach Moss injury to get him going and the team to trust him. Zach Moss played the first eight games so this is a true split here the first eight and the rest through 17 you know the first half consistency rank of running back 29 he was good on a per touch basis we watched the games and we said he's he looks better than than Zach Moss. Yeah he had more

juice. It took that injury for the team to be forced to just say, okay, we're giving it to you. And their offense got so much better. Chase Brown was... He's just so much more versatile. So explosive and made plays that Zach Moss just couldn't and didn't make. Now the question becomes, do they commit to him? Did they see that down the stretch and say,

that's the replacement for our Joe Mixon that we lost. We're going to commit to him going forward because it was so successful for us. Or do they go, we can't rely on that. We wanted two backs. And I think it's transactions that will tell us. I think they'll stick with him. He's at that perfect age to me and the way he played for this team

to enter his Eckler era for Cincinnati. I would believe that they saw his improvement and his versatility and his pass catching. Everything improved over the course of the year. So I don't know what you would want in Cincinnati beyond a 24 year old running back that gave you that kind of production. Yes, they might draft somebody,

but look, this is a team that has a lot of needs too. The defensive side of the football betrayed Borough. And if they do happen to invest in T Higgins, that's even more of a reason I think that you don't go and find anything other than a little Herbert style running back. to me a 10th round pick last year this is a guy I would take ahead of Connor oh he will skyrocket third fourth round so Zach Moss signed a two-year deal he should be back I mean so that's that's really up on my expectation is that they're gonna come back into next year with the same core

that they came into this season and we won't know for sure what the commitment is on a workload split. Obviously when Zach Moss was healthy, he was, it was pretty 50-50, so it'll be scary. They'll just have to decide, do they want to waste a down or not? Right, but a lot of teams decide to waste downs. I don't get it.

You call them the Tyler Johnson downs. He's not expensive next year. Talking about Zach Moss for the year two of his contract. But the cap hit is $4.8 million, so just under $5. Dead cap would be $1.5. Yeah, they'd have to spend money to replace him and add that dead cap. But just saying, if they feel like, oh, this was.

Herbert. Yeah, if they feel like Herbert was was we can try and bring him back I don't remember if he's a free agent or not But down the stretch those last eight games to give context to how good chase Brown was he was on pace for? 320 carries and 93 targets if that was a 17 game span 1300 rushing yards 650 in the passing game so So an exceptional fantasy asset, and you'll have to call your shot next year.

I agree, he didn't just fill in. No, he didn't. He was in addition. Yes. All right, Chuba Hubbard. Where's the respect for Chuba Hubbard? I still don't have it, I still, I can't get myself to have it.

I tried multiple times to give you the end of the season of Chuba Hubbard with Carolina and eye test and tell you, I tried to say this guy's a baller. And you know what, I say I still don't have it, but I definitely. He'll wipe his tears with all his money. Down the, I mean the film on Chuba was excellent. Outstanding, yeah I mean 1195 yards, 10 touchdowns,

despite missing the last two weeks of the year. And despite playing for the Panthers. One of his least valuable traits. They were very bad. Yeah, I mean he did a lot. You know, it's hard to remember going back. I believe he was a five-star recruit out of high school and a superstar track athlete. Yeah, I think you know

He had a two thousand yard rushing season in college and so to start his NFL career He kind of dropped in the draft I don't I don't remember the the context as to why maybe Kyle can because he had the huge year and then the next year It was oh and it was not nearly He profiled a couple years ago as somebody that would be that career backup, career second tier committee back and transformed really over the back half of 2023 and then into 2024. I mean the numbers that I just read out, he put them up with the second fewest total offensive plays in football in Carolina, the third fewest offensive plays with the lead, which we like, running backs with the lead.est total offensive plays in football in Carolina. The third fewest

offensive plays with the lead, which we like running backs with the lead. Yeah, we do. And 20% great, 60% good, 20% bust games. Didn't, you know, he finishes at 12 with a consistency rank of 12. Not a lot of receiving production. 43 catches, that's good. 171 yards, that's not good. No, that's good. 171 yards, that's not good. No, that's wildly low. And they give them a four year $33 million contract in November and all the Jonathan Brooks truethers

are going, oh my gosh. And then Jonathan Brooks re-tears his ACL. You get the Miles Sanders week 18. And you know, Chuba was just so, he reminded me the most of what Connor was for Arizona this year. Those two players. Every down, Connor ran as hard as he could run.

Every down Chuba Hubbard ran as hard as he could run. And a lot of tackle breaking. I don't know. I just, maybe it's the underdog story of being a Carolina Panther and having production that also adds to the lore of Chuba Hubbard. Or the fact that it was just a player that no one wanted to draft because he went in the 12th round.

No one wanted him, which process wise it makes sense. You don't want a perceived grinder. Or a perceived expiring asset. Yes, yeah, with the rookies gonna come in and take over for a bad team. Like, it's not like, hey, I'm gonna have the starting running back for the Kansas City Chiefs for six weeks and then the rookies gonna take over.

I'll take that bet, I'll take that starting running back. You certainly would have taken the bet that the starting running back for, say, the Chargers, a team that profiled to be good that was going to run a lot, would perform better than Truba Hubbard and he bucked the trend. He's the outlier. So is the lesson here to learn nothing? I mean genuinely like like that it's just a little bit he was better than we thought he was. I mean that was kind of just the truth as an actual running back. Yeah. Or maybe the lesson, if you want to take one, is to have trusted what we saw in the field during the back half of last year and not count that as a kind of an outlier performance. And I

don't know if that translates to- Yeah. No, that's fair for you. You did talk about that. You believed it. You said it was really, really good down the stretch past the eye test. So- There- We did have. So believe in yourself. We had a very clean narrative coming into the year as to why Chuba could be not good. It was very like vanilla, right? It was going to be obvious. It was like, okay, Chuba, last year the contract, we get Jonathan Brooks, maybe he's a bridge, the team sucks. Everything was very lined up for that to be the truth. And maybe that's the lesson too, is that it's very circumstance specific

and Chuba was just the better player. There was also, like, it took a while. You know, like the first couple weeks, they were still time sharing with Chuba and week one was a disaster. Chuba was six for 14 with no catches in week one. And it was, well, there's the 11th round pick. Was it Dalton that took over in week three?

Yes. That made a difference. Yeah, it certainly did. But also his snaps going up. Week one and week two and week three, 58% of the snaps. But then you start going north and you're in like an 80% player. I mean, that's when things really were turning around.

He was getting, he would get you chunk plays, but then other guys would come on the field and you're like, yeah, give me somebody else. Once Chuba's on there, worked out. Yeah, Andy, you're gonna need to convince me next year and remind me that I should be more in on Chuba, because I still feel like I'm not going to be. Because it's still the Panthers, he was so inefficient

in the passing game. He needs that giant workload to be great, but he got it. So yeah, just work on it. Yeah, no, no, no, we'll do it again. We'll run it back. 13 is Joe Mixon. What a season for Joe Mixon, because first half of the season,

he was the number three most consistent running back. And it really, it took a nosedive in the second half, 19th in consistency, dealt with an ankle injury, dealt with one from weeks three to five, then came out of that. Just fine. And delivered six consecutive top 12 performances despite Bobby Slawick's play calling. John Nixon was a revelation the first half.

This was like week to week, he was in the Saquon Henry tier. If you had him you felt like you could compete with those other players on a weekly basis. So really a neat resurgence considering their offensive line was ranked 29th and you saw that a little bit in the playoffs. What do you make of the end of the season? Because it happened. We all watched it and you're like, dude, that guy's, that's Cincinnati Bengals Joe Mixon. That guy's not very good.

Yeah, I mean, I think you have to find a balance point here and I think this is one of the few cases where you look at this show and you go, well, we're trying to tell you the truth, the fantasy finish versus the reality. Well, I think the fantasy finish is the reality for Joe Mixon. I think he is a fringe RB one in Houston.

He will, he has the ability to give you the big games. This is a team that has offensive line issues, Stevon Diggs, Nico Collins issues. The team's identity on offense changed a lot and is gonna change again with a new offensive coordinator. So I think that's where I'll probably have him slotted in. Not first half Joe Mixon, not second half,

probably somewhere in 12 to 15. I think that's fair. And even though he didn't miss the games later on when it was worse, he was dealing with some injury concerns. I remember we had some fears that he would miss games, played through it. Obviously not that great

Yeah, I mean Andy you had the experience right he was on your league of record team so you've you felt the Confidence going towards the playoffs and the letdown in them Yeah And in part of it was like you could see it coming in the fantasy playoffs pretty plainly at least The first and second week it was Kansas City on the road okay you you weren't you didn't expect a lot especially that was a game where they're like he he wasn't practicing so right Kansas City he goes to Kansas City off an injury you could see it coming plays Baltimore you could kind of see that coming to dealing with the ankle injury he scored more points in week one

than he did in the entirety of the fantasy playoffs. Yeah, yeah, he ran out of the mojo and the age and the injuries. I mean, it was a lot like James Connors finished to the season. He played and he shouldn't have played. I also think that we've got to give a little bit of, you know, the second half for the Texans was just harder.

Once you lose Tankdell and Stavon Diggs, your offense is far more one-dimensional and it's easier to play defense against that. And he, you know, to his credit, 38% great games, higher number than anybody we've talked about today by a wide margin, 23% bust, 62% good. You know, when you look at Mixon or Connor next year, I'm probably gonna.

I'll be on the Mixon side. I'll be on the Mixon side. Not by tons, but by some. Anything else about Mixon you guys wanna touch on? He was better against bad defenses. He was much better on the road. We talked about that late in the year. He had a weird home road split. Yeah, so weird. Way better, like almost 10 points better on the road. We talked about that late in the year. He had a weird home road split. Yeah, so weird.

Way better. Like almost 10 points better on the road, which is not usual. But two more years under contract. Age will probably keep him in the third to fourth round. I think so. I think he'll be in the third. Jonathan Taylor, we'll talk about him in a minute.

Quick break, then back with some more truth. ["Truth or Dare?" by The Caps plays.] Alright, Jonathan Taylor did more than, um... Meets the eye. I apologize. Jay Taylor. Um, first half consistency was sixth. Missed three games in that stretch.

He actually didn't have the like the super top tier finishes in that stretch. He had the number one number one back-to-back performances in the fantasy playoffs. You just had to survive the great fumble and better at home. You know this year's tough because like I think the truth of Jonathan Taylor is a little bit like the Saquon Barkley story. Like, Jonathan Taylor's just a tremendous, tremendous running back. Yes.

You're gonna have ebbs and flows with quarterback changes and offensive changes, which happened in New York for Saquon, and they've happened in Indianapolis for Taylor over the years. But if you just give him, like, somewhat of an even playing field, he'll be great. I talked about this on the last dynasty podcast. We had some trade for trade away targets. He was

mentioned. I won't tell you in which side. Thank you. But I like wanting the next contract. I'm wanting the next contract. Where can he go after what Saquon did, after what Derrick Henry did? Because I love how you kicked it off. It's my belief as well that Jonathan Taylor is a tremendous running back. He is not your average player. He's not your average athlete or even your above average athlete.

He's a superstar. He's playing in a situation where you can get vultured touchdowns, you can not get dump offs. Anthony Richardson does not check it down. Yeah, we need dump offs. Can I read? Yeah, the target totals for Mr. Taylor

since coming in the league, 36, 40, then 28, then 19, that's past year, 18. Yeah, it's gross, but he did enough. Target per outrun was 17.7, now it's 6.7. He did enough on the ground to show what a great athlete he is, and he has the chops to catch the ball. This is a situation where the quarterback is not and should not be throwing to the... Throw.

...be throwing to the... Fair. You can make a strong argument. Bring back the, fair. You can make a strong argument. Bring back the wishbone. I mean, so considering all of that, because I think we all would agree in a neutral situation that you'd rather have Jonathan Taylor than Joe Mixon. But then you look at the quarterback, the playoff.

The team level. The team's gonna be better in Houston probably. Is that, which one wins in that situation? I'm going to be better in Houston probably. Is that, you know, which one wins in that situation? I'm going to be on the Jonathan Taylor side because I'm looking for the highest upside I can get. And I think that Jonathan Taylor has the physical capabilities to be a top three back. We don't know who the quarterback is going to be in week three. You know, it could change to a situation where now all of a sudden he adds

to his repertoire the pass catching. And let's be fair about the end of season when he won people championships and was the back to back number one running back on the week, that was with Anthony Richardson. Yeah. We forget that JT was the number one overall running back. We've gotten that out of him. Yeah, sophomore season, right? Yeah. I mean, so much like Saquon's had those years and then we see it happen again, that is in the cards where I don't think Mixon can give you that in Houston, probably. And he's the type of talent where, and I'm not, I mean, you can't draft based on this, but if a team that is Super Bowl contending

or whatever loses a running back and the Colts are bad, you know, late in his contract, go trade, you know, people might trade for him. Christian McCaffrey was traded for. And if you're a great talent, your situation can change to where you can be a league winner for fantasy football. 15, Aaron Jones, consistency rank of 21,

and just 6% great games, 44% good, 19% bust, so that's 50% of the time he was in the good or great category. 1138 yards on 255 carries, five touchdowns on the ground. Caught 408 passes. I don't know how to think about Aaron Jones' season. I'm out. I feel like.

He was so good. I'm out. I don't know if we were wrong about him. I have no idea. I have no, because he was on our bus list in the UDK. Aaron Jones, I believe he was, unless we audited that late. But for a good period of time, he was. The sentiment of the show was...

Negative. You and my son. I was going to say... We were out. Jason was in. Okay. Okay. And we were all right.

He was drafted as the RB 18, and he finished as... As 15 with a consistency of 21. So that's 18 to me. That's a win. That's a good year. I think so. It's a good return on your ADP. It started well. I think that was part of the issue of you

don't know how to feel about Aaron Jones, because a month in, it felt like, oh, Jason was very right, Aaron Jones with the Minnesota Vikings. Yeah, I felt like that was a big L from me. You ate the crow, you took the L, and then from that point on, it was just mostly, it's pretty. He's pretty irrelevant right now. We don't know where he's playing football next year.

He looked good on a per touch. It was only one year? I think they have, you can bet that, I think they have like, voidable years, and I don't expect, I mean, they might bring him back. The truth is, Yeah, it was a one year, yeah. He has been an erratic producer his entire career.

Even in Green Bay, there were games when you're like, that might be the best running back in football. And then there were games and you're like, they either didn't use him, I think that was more of the case, they didn't use him as much, or like, he gets banged up, they shared time. I mean, even this year on the Vikings, you wanna talk about drives that were stopped

by taking Aaron Jones out, I feel like he was so far and away their best running back. On a per touch basis, he's excellent. At 31 years old, currently without a team, going into next year, he'll be 31. It's very hard to do anything but have him be a late round pick that you hope gets opportunity. He could be entering his Dalvin Cook era.

Yeah, I mean you don't want the Dalvin Cook No you don't. second era. No, you wanna get to James Cook. So I don't know if Aaron Jones is a little brother, we gotta get him up here. 17 games played, finished as the RB 15. So he's all right. But Jason's out. You were in, now you're out.

Yep. He was great on a per touch basis. He's a phenomenal NFL player for fantasy purposes. I'm going to let other people hold that back. All right. It's time for Bucky and Dick. Bucky Irving at 16, Richard Dickwhite at 20. Rashad. Rashad. Richard. Rashad. You see how we get there?

It's right there. I'm telling you, when I just blindly read it, I was trying to remember how and why we call him Dick. I believe it was because you said Richard at one point. Um, it's obvious why Bucky ends up at 16 white at 20 consistency wise Bucky at 16 White at 22 so not far off of their fantasy finishes The storyline though rookie running back second half consistency eight overall for Bucky Irving

You would think that meant whites consistency in the second half would have declined. It was the opposite. He was at 16, still very relevant. Rashad White though next year seems like he will enter the undraftable category for me. That's an insurance running back. Like somebody else in our league, like we've got a guy that just takes players that nobody wants to draft, Nick, and he will draft for Shaw White and probably get good value out of him and play him and he'll be the guy that I want to play against and he'll perform against me. That's just where White's going to fall into the committee, but this is the Bucky Irving backfield at this point in time. In the beginning of the year there were a lot of questions

that Todd Bowles had to answer at the podium talking about are we going to get Buckey more involved. And you know he would come out and say this is Rashad White's backfield but yeah Buckey's earned some touches and I think it was a fair and well-earned transition because you know the first five weeks of the season transition because you know the first five weeks of the season you had Rashad White who was really the center of the running back core the previous year at 67% of the snaps. From that point on he was down at 51% of the snaps and they played pretty even snaps these two guys were pretty 50-50 but if you look at it... That doesn't work for Rashad White though.

If you look at it in chunks of the season, the further and further they got to more and more important games, Bucky started usurping him in the snap count area while he should have because he was a much more explosive player. So this will be Bucky's team. And I don't think Rashad White is undraftable next year with his work in the passing game.

And you still always have the built-in upside, just like we had with David Montgomery and Jameer Gibbs, whenever you draft either one of these guys, you've got the opportunity for them to become the takeover back from an injury. A couple other things I wanted to mention here. One is, you said like a natural transition. You got to remember these are not, these head coaches are not just looking at explosive plays alone when they're selecting who's out there on the field. They're looking at pass protection. He's a rookie.

He's learning the playbook. He's making mistakes on a play or doesn't make a mistake. The other story for Bucky was that he was on the injury report with a toe injury, then a hip, and then a back. I think the toe was, was it the toe? Was that the mummy game? The toe was week nine against the Chiefs, 14, hip and back. And then he was, you know, he had limited snap counts

a couple of times. He played 17, but man, he was beat up. And that's the question mark around a guy that, you know, is 5'10", 195. Yeah, and I think that was the Carolina game in week 13, where he had 28 opportunities, 25 carries on the ground as a smaller back and was so good. He was the running back one that week, but I remember walking to the locker room. He was like a mummy. He was wrapped up like a mummy. And

then the next week he basically only played 16% of snaps, got the ball four times because he was dead yep and yeah Rashad White's gonna fill that late round pass heavy upside like you said if either guy gets hurt roll 17 was David Montgomery we got to talk about Gibbs on the last episode consistency rank of seven and a man I had him I felt it consistency ranked top ten running back every week He was somehow he always did it. I mean it wasn't It wasn't great. I mean it's 7% great games He didn't go out there and win you the week, but goodness gracious. You got a touchdown every I was like always

He's just my automatic 9% good game I'm gonna get you know 10 to 15 points every week in half PPR not even worried about him. He's such a I Think he's a tough pick for fantasy players Maybe that is going to change but maybe not. I mean Jameer Gibbs is just what is it Sonic and Knuckles, right? I mean Gibbs is so Explosive that I think it's fair for anybody watching the game to always want Jameer Gibbs on the field. If you're a Detroit Lions fan you would want that. But Montgomery brings something to the offense. It's just a matter of does he

get into the end zone? He did this year. 12 touchdowns. 25 touchdowns on the ground in the last two years. So will he get into the end zone next year? Yes. And the worry of the injury is irrelevant. He was back playing football this year. So I'll be fully in, because David Montgomery is not gonna rise. He did this last year, and if anything, he's going to fall from where he was in the draft last year.

Because of Gibbs' fantasy finish? Exactly. You're probably right. You have the Ben Johnson variable of he will no longer be in town. What does the offense look like? I know they'll do their best to keep it the same, but will they have the same success when you don't have that mastermind sequencing your

plays? And the other thing that was just weird was two years, like Gibbs rookie season, right? You felt like there was a difference between the two, insurance was like, no, Gibbs is gonna, he's a passing weapon. And then at the end of the year, Monty gets hurt, Gibbs takes over, and then they stay with Gibbs.

Like towards the end of two years ago, Gibbs was getting snaps, he's getting all this goal line work. Then you have this year, and their receiving work is almost identical. Before the injury it was, yeah. That's because I think that's part of the genius of Ben Johnson to me, was you don't have a prototypical, well Melvin Gordon's out there,

he's not gonna get thrown in the football, and Eckler's out there, so he will get thrown in the football, they're both capable, there, so he will get thrown in the football. They're both capable, so why run plays that are specific to one? You need to have the threat of both for both guys out on the field, and Monte is more than capable.

If you wanted to throw in the football, like if there was no Gibbs, Monte's catching a lot of passes. Monte would be a league winner. I mean, these guys both know the full playbook. They're both inside the five yardbook. They're both inside the five yard line. They're both in the receiving game. They're both... Here's... Sorry. Yeah, I'm just saying, either one of them goes down. The other one is absolutely going

to help you win your league. The question is, do you believe they're going to keep winning? Obviously, this year, number one offense, 70% of Montgomery's carries came with them leading or tied. You know that when they're down, two minute offense, they want the explosive versatility of Gibbs. They can both catch the football, yes, but Gibbs can get to places that Monte doesn't get to in the route tree. So look, you're probably right,

he'll probably be undervalued. And I bet you'll take him over this guy. Breece Hall at 18. I'm out. Breece Hall, Jason's favorite player. The sad thing is he has been. Consistency rank of 20. And I am sad for you.

He went from 16 in the first half, that's, you know, you can live with that, to 26 in consistency in the second half after being drafted as the RB3. Breece Hall was, statistically, unequivocally, one of the true busts of fantasy football in 2024. Yeah, I mean, the Jets team as a whole, obviously, was an implosion, a black hole, an albatross.

This was a hugely disappointing season. What else were they? For a team that was thought to be vying with the Bills and with everybody in that division for the division lead. It didn't work out. This team is a mess. The organization is a mess. Going forward, you would expect that Bryce Hall is still going to be a centerpiece of the offense, that the new coordinator will get them more involved, and yada yada. There's going to be all sorts of hype pieces pieces of they got this new offensive lineman or we don't know what the Jets future will look

like but we do know it's bad because it always is I mean it's just it's like you know no player that you have been more deeply destroyed by that has corrupted any possible unbiased analysis correct I should not even be talking right now. I think the truth of Breece Hall is going to be relative to expectation of Breece Hall. If you're drafting him in the first round as the RB3 and you get a consistency of 16, that's a bust, right? So even that first half consistency on a team that was like, what, dead last in rush plays inside the five yard line.

Breeze hall, eye test, film, week to week. Okay player, not great. Much better when you, Jason is like sitting over there going yeah I know that sucks. That's exactly what the biggest problem was. He wasn't special. He was special when you gave him the football in the passing game, 10 yards, 7 yards down

from the line of scrimmage in space. And he got ahead of steam and he could make some things happen in the open field. But no, from behind the line of scrimmage with the offensive line, you know, that he didn't do a lot of things that were like you earned something more than what was given to you. Exactly, as a runner. I would agree with you. Whenever he gets the ball in space, he's, you know, watch out.

But as a runner breaking tackles, getting around edges, finding the right hole, all of that stuff, I was really frustrated watching guys like Chuba Hubbard and Chase Brown be true difference makers and then constantly watch Breece Hall, who is a better, like, I mean, coming into the NFL, he's a better, he's a better running back, he's a better athlete. But his schedule was real difficult, Jay.

Oh, I assume this is not true. No, it's the second easiest strength of schedule for the running back. Like, the Jets were the, which, we all know strength of schedule is not everything, but when it lines up and and a team gets hot, like two years ago with the Cowboys, you're like, no this thing can really explode. The Jets, we were just staring at it, waiting, waiting for this, the second half schedule to be incredible and Breece

Hall should take advantage of it, Braylon Allen, if Breece Hall misses time, should be able to take advantage of it, and thelon Allen, if Breece Hall misses time, should be able to take advantage of it. And the answer was no, nobody. And we're two full years now from the ACL. I don't know what the story is going to be when you write about Breece Hall five years from now, but. Running backs usually peak, genuinely. Whether it's athleticism or understanding of NFL offense,

whatever, but running backs usually peak and have their best season at age 24. That will be the next season for Breece Hall. The last two years, the Jets do not run inside the five yard line. They're dead last second year in a row. So if the offense does better, if he has more opportunity inside the five yard line

and he's coming into what should be his prime as a very young back, there are lots of reasons why he could really, really work. But among 46 running backs with 100 plus carries, he was 36th in forced miss tackles per attempt. That's what I was talking about watching. You watch Chuba, you watch Chase Brown, these guys who have spent their careers being just a guy, an untouted average player. And then you watch the flip where Breeze used

to break all of that and there was something off. Yeah, there was no exploding out of a cannon type of situation. I believe you said the word albatross earlier to describe Breeze Hall amongst others. No, the Jets. The Jets. I am just curious, what do you think the plural, how would you pluralize a bunch of albatross? Albatrossi. Albatrossi, I'm gonna go classic,

I'm gonna go albatrosses. For albatrosses? Yeah, I would. Do you have the answer? No, I don't. Oh, I thought this was, I was waiting for the reveal. Is it not albatrosses? It is. It is albatrosses? That is correct. That's such a weird reveal. Is it not albatrosses? It is.

It is albatrosses? That's such a weird word. That's such an albatrossity. I love it when the right answer is a dumb answer. I wanna say albatry or something. Yeah, albatry again. All right, Najee Harris at 22. Airball.

We weren't even acknowledging what happened, Jason. No, we were moving on. Najee. Busted. He had an were moving on. Najee. Busted. He had an air ball before the show, too. Najee Harris at 22, consistency of 27. J.K. Dobbins at 23, consistency of 19. Rico Dowdell.

Yeah. At 24, consistency rank of 29. Yeah, that was good. Kenneth Walker, 26, consistency of 15. The truth of Kenneth Walker, it's a very TBD, new offensive coordinator again. And Charbonneau played better than he played last year. He did, yeah, especially towards the second half

of the year. Ken Walker, he's not the same level of player of Saquon Barkley. But like this, to me, I still believe in the talent of the player, it seems like he's trying to do so much on every single carry and he does succeed. Like Ken Walker gives you some highlights. Do you guys remember the front flip play

where he was on a body and then flips off? He can do things. Some players can't get rid of that quality and when they lose their athleticism, it hurts them even more. And if he is going to always be I have to do everything player, you may see the continuation of what we've seen,

which is year one explosive 4.6 to carry, year two still explosive 4.1 to carry, year two still explosive 4.1 to carry, year three less explosive 3.7 to carry. I mean it has gone down. He was yeah the yards per carry because he's trying to hit home runs but at the same time that stat J of 46 running backs with 100 carries Ken Bonewalker was number one enforced miss tackle rate like he is he elusive, he is powerful, he just is, he is not in a great situation and he is in a timeshare.

And he keeps getting hurt. He does, he is made out of wet newspapers. That's what his bones are made out of. Oblique calf, ankle, IR with the calf, kept trying to come back. I mean. I think I'm going to be in, though. He's too, you know, I want.

Mix in or Ken Bone next year? Oh. I still think I'm on the mix inside of that one. I'd probably be on the mix inside of that one. Connor or Ken Bone? Ken Bone. Yeah, that one will go well. See, I just think it's, if you get the right season, and this team can perform, but I don't

have confidence yet in the quarterback, the head coach. Well, they gotta fix that line. The offensive line, yeah. Their offensive line per PFF's ranking 31st. 71% of his rushing yards came after contact. That just shows what a special player he is and what a bad offensive line he had. It also shows he had a lot of chances to try to break tackles because they were permanent. Yeah, you said it. If the right season happens. Yeah, you did. And I'm not expecting, I wouldn't push my chips that the right season's going

to happen. But it's one of those players, like Jonathan Taylor, where if the right season happens, he's a top five back and a total difference maker. If it presents itself. And he started catching a ton of balls this year. So we got a Super Bowl coming up, huh? We do, two weeks. A repeat of the one two years ago out here in Arizona. We got any predictions?

Are you obviously your chiefs? I mean, look, I called the chiefs over the Eagles in the playoffs before. He definitely got the first down. He definitely got the first down. If your butt is what qualifies. Oh, it's not, it's the ball? It's your, did you see the angle?

Did you see the angle though of the the ref that was on the ball side? Yeah, was running across. Yeah. Oh for sure the rifle Yeah, and he had to get a cheese player out of his way And he was way ahead of the line and they put the ball where the back judge was that only had a booty shot 100% you are correct watching it live. I thought he crossed and got there because of your just talking one side angle The down this the directly down the line angle where you can best shot right we had that's the one all didn't make it over Deucer's alley. Do you think he got the first down raise your hand if you do you know their answers so no I only knew one I only knew the Falcon definitely believed he got it

I was on a cruise I just see it three for three three for three over there induces Alec well the heart wants what the heart wants I wish it was first town. Yeah, well, you know big chiefs guy over here The I shouldn't know the old catch that one is more Up in the air the catch was not a catch either. No no no no that one do people in the air. The catch was not a catch either. No, no, no. That one, dude, people got mad at me. I loved your tweet. People got mad at me. I literally went to tweet the exact same thing that you tweeted and saw that you did it and I didn't give you credit, but that

was, I mean, that was wonderful. People were not ready for my tweet. Tell the people what that tweet was. I just tweeted the Dalton Kincaid missed catch and said the refs called this incomplete and the whole world I mean I had to block some people. Oh man that's a good that's that's 10 out of 10 tweeting. And you know what you see Philly firing the guns off in the crowd straight into the sky did you see that video? What? No. Frickin Philly. No. Philly look you're your own thing, man. Wait, like real guns? Yes!

Oh my goodness. Dude, somebody's in the- What, PSA? Who's doing the security up there? I'm tired. That can kill people. It's like a cartoon. What?

No. Yes, dude, look at this. Like Yosemite Sam's in the, just, kia-ya! It was Yosemite Sam and Philly. A guy just pulls a gun out, throws it over his head, and boom, boom, boom! Three into the sky. Wow. In the middle of a crowd can we not do that please what's freaking Philly oh man they're a passionate bunch I don't know

if you knew that oh this was not in the stadium no that's why I was asking who's doing the security no no no no. That makes far more sense. It was the celebration. Let's celebrate with dignity and some self-respect as we head into the Super Bowl. Not Yosemite Sam. Oh my gosh, no Yosemite Sam. All right, we're getting into Wide Receiver Truth

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