Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - The TRUTH: Top 10 Fantasy QBs + Scramby Daniels - Fantasy Football Podcast for 1/16
Episode Date: January 16, 2025Can you handle the TRUTH? On today’s podcast, a close look at the top fantasy football quarterbacks of the 2024 season! Consistency scores and tons more. Get the TRUTH about how these players actual...ly impacted fantasy football teams! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast. -- Fantasy Football Podcast for January 16th, 2025. (00:00) - Intro (08:40) - NFL News (12:10) - The Truth - Quarterbacks (16:55) - Lamar Jackson (22:45) - Josh Allen (27:25) - Joe Burrow (32:40) - Jayden Daniels (35:51) - Baker Mayfield (41:40) - Jalen Hurts (47:05) - Jared Goff (52:35) - Sam Darnold (54:15) - Patrick Mahomes (58:47) - Bo Nix (01:06:40) - Fantasy Faceoff Connect with the show: Subscribe on YouTube Visit us on the Web Support the Show Follow on X Follow on Instagram Join our Discord Check out today's sponsors: News & Notes presented by USAA. Visit https://www.USAA.com/Insurance Fantasy Faceoff presented by DraftKings Sportsbook Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore,
and Mike Wright.
Welcome in. The fantasy footballers Mike the fantasy hitman J Samara Mandy Holloway hello
today we're gonna set you free because this is about truth mmm oh I got you got you got it don't explain it
okay I know I wasn't going to we are excited it is the truth series the
beginning of the truth series the truth of the quarterback position today on the
show that is the main event our first truth episode ever January January 12th, 2016.
And by the screenshot that I'm seeing,
Jason was in Disneyland.
I was not a part of that episode,
but I'm pretty sure during that episode
I was the champ of the league,
so I didn't care about it.
Oh, is that what happened?
Yeah.
It was that long ago that you were the champ?
Well, not my last championship.
Oh.
But I was still champ then as well.
Did you look into this?
No.
Just speculating?
Yeah, sounds about right.
Yeah, I'm not sure about that.
Welcome in, excited.
Couple things here at the top
before we jump into some news.
I mean, I guess we haven't had the opportunity yet to.
We're good, man.
You got to go watch Sam Darnold in person.
We're good.
Nothing to report.
Is he still holding the ball?
There is nothing to report on the Minnesota Vikings game.
People don't know that you had a rooting interest, I think.
You said you're going to.
How do they not?
Well, I mean, not everybody knows that about you.
It's not at the forefront.
We're Cardinal fans.
But like.
I wear a Minnesota Vikings hoodie on the show all the time you wore a Minnesota twinch shirt
I guess yeah, and I like the twins. Yeah, but you are a Cardinals fan
I don't think most people and if they're listening and they're not seeing your clothing
I think a lot of people did not know that the the Vikings are like your number two team
You got family from Minnesota and you do root for Minnesota
And so the game was here.
And not only that, you're Cardinals fan,
so that means you're gonna be anti-Rams in division.
So you went there to really root
for your Minnesota Vikings.
Yeah.
I was gonna say, I thought he meant ruin
his Minnesota Vikings. That was a bad time.
Let me ask you, Mike, since you have boots on the ground.
The beautiful carriage of Sam Darnold,
is it still a transportation device,
or is it now a pumpkin?
Did it turn back?
I honestly, I would have to go and completely re-watch
everything from the All 22.
And because one of the when he was criticizing the
play call I felt like everything was just everything was being designed
downfield there were just too many plays where there was no real escape hatch for
Sam Darnold he probably should have ran more yes he held the ball way way too
long on on tons of them but I felt like a lot of those sacks,
go look at the routes and no one is actually open.
So he's just, he's praying for someone to break open,
but no one ever does.
He probably would have helped himself in that game
if he took off running a couple of times.
Yes, they needed to change something.
If they were carrying guys down the field,
and like you said, where it was drawn up,
we've seen this in Arizona before,
sometimes there have not been opportunities to throw the
football there wasn't a release valve he should have taken off and run a couple
times to keep the defense honest horrible final two games of the year
probably cost them 50 million dollars yeah it's it's a really a year not
well I mean look I seen the Baker G. Yeah, I think he'll get a starting job.
But it's wild.
Three years, $75 million or $110 million.
It's wild to go from the locker room video that
was circulating around, the whole team just showering him
with champagne and professing their love for Sam Darnold.
It was like, oh, I guess that answers the question,
everybody, the Sam Darnold versus JJ McCarthy.
There's no way that this guy isn't back.
And then the game to win the division
and the first game of the playoffs,
it was a complete disaster, and it changes everything.
If two weeks ago, Sam Darnold broke his middle finger
on his throwing hand, he would be so much better off. I mean, he would be the starter next year.
He would.
And so for JJ McCarthy, I mean, this is, he's got,
it seemed like he was supplanted
and now is gonna be needing to maybe find a new team.
And now it looks like he's gonna get a chance
to be the future, most likely.
Even if they sign Donald and bring him back,
it doesn't feel the same.
On the season, according to next gen stats,
on the season, not just in that game,
he averaged 2.99 seconds in the pocket,
which is the longest time in the pocket in the entire league
and the longest since 2016.
So the offensive line's performance,
he didn't have an offensive line when he was in New York.
That was part of the problem.
You take away, you find a team that can scheme it
or stop, the offensive line doesn't perform as well.
You saw what you saw with Darnold season over.
And just like that, 14 wins, goodbye.
Yeah, and that's the thing you have to remember though.
Sam Darnold and the Vikings won 14 games.
I know the last two were a nuclear meltdown but he won 14 games and
the the two teams that he lost to at the very end of the season, those teams also
beat him in the regular season. So there is this just a Dan Campbell and Sean
McVay and like they know how to attack this team the way that they're
structured because they they looked Sam Darnall wasn't great he was missing and they know how to attack this team the way that they're structured.
Because they looked, Sam Darnold wasn't great,
he was missing throws, but they looked thoroughly out-coached
in that playoff game.
Maybe the pressure, Mike, being present, being there
at the game.
The teams are doing that to me a lot lately, guys.
Yeah, you're not great for teams when you show up.
When I was leaving the stadium, I'm like, I might be done.
Yeah. I might be done with live sports.
You are.
I'm just lighting money on fire to go home real sad.
I feel like you are like a 20% winning percentage.
Over a couple years.
Who do you want to win?
For whomever you want to win.
Yes, correct.
So we'll keep that in mind.
We do have an announcement.
Jared Goff just popped on the screen.
It's not related to Jared Goff,
but he will be talked about on today's Truth episode.
We have an announcement to make though.
We are hiring yet another position recently.
We put the call out for the developer position.
We are down to the finalists on that job.
We are hiring a graphic designer
and also somebody to join the team and support
in some of our community areas. Primarily a graphic designer. That's the number one discipline
here for this job. A couple things I want to let you know. You can go to thefantasyfootballers.com
slash careers to see the whole job posting. And number two, it's not a remote position.
You need to be in Phoenix. You need to be nearby.
The job is in studio.
It's a full-time position.
We're hiring and adding to the team.
Yeah, this is basically, I mean,
we're calling out to a national
and really international audience here.
Yeah.
But we're just looking for the one that is here.
That is, you've been in our backyard.
You know, you've been listening to The Ballers
for a couple years and you're an unbelievable
graphic artist, we're not looking for like oh,
I know how to, yeah, like oh, I can totally believe
you can make that in Photoshop, no, I wanna be like,
what, you didn't do that.
TheFantasyFootballers.com slash careers
and we always, we put the call out on the show
because we want somebody that knows what we're about and we've been doing this for a long time.
So there you go. Did you want to add anything to that? No, just be great. Be fantastic. When you
go do the application, you'll have some things to make there so we can see your style and hopefully you are one of us
and you're in our backyard and it is a great work environment.
All right, let's jump into some news.
News and notes from around the league.
Presented by USAA Insurance.
David Montgomery says he's ready to go
for the divisional round practiced in full.
Crazy.
So, you know, that's exciting.
I don't, I honestly, I couldn't tell you
how crazy it is or isn't just on the basis of like,
I feel like it's juxtaposed to our initial reaction,
which was, oh, he's just gonna be gone for the year,
but didn't have surgery, didn't, you know, he's back.
They've gone far enough.
He better not get hurt.
Right, I know, seriously.
If he reaggravates that same injury,
it would be a lot of finger pointing,
but Andy's kinda right in the sense that he's healthy.
He's fine, he's able to play.
So this isn't like crazy news.
What is so crazy about it is that I believe
his first two doctors said,
yes, no, you require surgery.
And now he's playing later.
So shame on someone.
You know what I mean?
Like if he's fine, those two doctors got it wrong.
Don't get your advice from surgery.com.
They advise surgery on everything.
They got too much skin in the game.
Yeah.
Big surgery coming after you.
I prefer groinindex.com.
The Browns are promoting tight end coach Tommy Reese
to offensive coordinator.
Okay.
This one's kind of exciting for me.
We don't know much about him.
He was the Alabama OC in 2023.
He's a former Notre Dame quarterback,
but he's a young up and comer who's kind of flown up and and everything that people talk about around him is that he's got this
Brilliant football mind so getting rid of your OC and then immediately taking someone
That you know in-house and and promoting them
And especially, you know, it's not like he was the quintessential next in line.
You know, like, oh, we've got the guy in the wings.
This was a tight end coach.
It was just like, that guy's got something special.
So a little bit of hope there for the Browns
who need a quarterback, but hopefully exciting.
Deontay Johnson is no longer a member of the Houston Texans.
Holy crap.
So we've got what?
The Steelers, the Panthers, the Ravens, the Texans. Holy crap. So we've got what the three dealers, the
Panthers, the Ravens, the Texans. Texans are still playing by the way. They're still in the
playoffs. It is, it's technically four rosters in a full calendar year because
he was on, he was a part of the Steelers until March and yeah this is a team that really needs a receiver.
And Deontay Johnson is not gonna be a part of that
because the whispers from the bushes were just him being
very disappointed in his role.
After they won a playoff game and he had just gotten there,
it was like, this is so weird.
You know the Aaron Rodgers documentary
where they kind of followed him around?
I wish there had been cameras over the last year
on Deontay Johnson because, you know,
it's one of those fool me once,
you know, or strike one, strike two.
If every single team out there
who is in desperate need for your services, they really need you,
does not want you a part of the team at all, you gotta look inward.
This is a you problem, man.
I think that's it by way of news.
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Let's go ahead and get into it
you want answers I think I'm entitled you want answers the truth you can't
handle the truth
Oh another year same graphics we are looking at the top. Do we mention we're hiring a graphics person?
Oh yeah maybe some video work is just a bonus. Top 10 quarterbacks from 2024 looking at the truth.
What is the truth? We're looking at the big picture for these players right? Consistency.
What did they actually bring to your team? Not just staying on the surface level of what their
end of year finish was.
Yeah, exactly. Sometimes, and this is a good time of year to evaluate so that we can go into the next season with the right mindset on all these players.
We're going to go through all positions.
We take a look at what is the truth of the position as a whole and then break it down per player,
because at the end of the year, you just look and you say, oh, this guy was, you know, the quarterback eight.
That's a pretty good finish.
But did he actually help you in fantasy?
Was he consistent?
Was he inconsistent?
Did he have these crazy bus games?
And so now's the time to kind of refresh the mindset
and make sure that we have, you know,
a true vision going forward.
Now, I will say this, it's different every year,
but this year, the main top quarterbacks, they bounced
back a little bit more than in recent seasons. So this was a better one for the truth being
closer to what you imagined. Or what you might have hoped for if you drafted certain players.
This year as you said, big rebound in terms of injury problems, right? Like last year you had Burrow, Herbert,
Watson, Rogers, Richardson, Cousins.
Fields.
Tons of injuries. Yeah, Fields missed four games last year. This year they stayed much
healthier than in 2023. The quarterback position as a whole, they tied for the highest completion
percentage of all time at the position. They had the highest touchdown rate,
which is the percentage of touchdowns per throw,
per pass attempt.
It was the highest since 2020.
The fewest interceptions and lowest interception rate
over the last 15 years, that's cool.
And the most quarterback rushing attempts
in rushing yards.
That one makes sense.
Thank you, Jayden Daniels, welcome to the party.
Just, league is changing.
So, you know, if you want a refresher
on how these guys were drafted
before we get into the most consistent quarterbacks,
Josh Allen was the highest off the board
as a late second round draft pick.
Jalen Hertz in the middle of the third.
Mahomes was the middle of the third pick.
Late third, really. Lamar was a fourth round pick and
Just saying these out loud refreshing walking through them
Some of these are gonna hurt. Yeah, they're not so good the back-to-back fifth round picks CJ Stroud
Anthony Richardson whoops and just throw Kyler in there because all three of those
Kyler wasn't as
Devastating as so Richard's but under me under ADP and and so Stroud Richardson Murray
And then burrow was great in the sixth round and then Jordan love in the seventh also underperform
Relative to ADP your big injury of the year was Dak. He was in the seventh and then Purdy and Daniels
So we'll be talking about them.
Jason, in terms of the weeks covered,
the data we're looking at,
this is weeks one through 17, right?
Not looking at week 18.
That is right.
So we decided this year, it's the first time we've done this
because a lot of times we've cherry picked,
we've removed some people who, you know,
the Josh Allen goes in, takes a knee.
You're talking cherry picked relevant weeks.
Right, exactly.
So our fantasy season is weeks one through 17.
A lot of times these teams, the Ravens, the Chiefs, the Bills, really important teams,
the Eagles, we oftentimes see the week 18 irrelevancy for a lot of the top players.
So we just decided, let's look at the actual fantasy football season.
Weeks one through 17, get a lay of the land picture there.
I think it's a little bit more clear and it's kind of intellectually more honest with the
data.
We're chopping off week 18 just looking at the full fantasy football season.
And so one of the things we do is we break down the season for each quarterback into
three categories.
Great games and we classify those as more than 26 fantasy points, the upper echelon.
This is four point per passing touchdown, by the way.
Good games, so 21 or more points,
or games that we define as bust games,
so that's 15 or fewer.
So yes, that does mean that there's a middle,
you know, there's a space between them, a mess between them.
Between 15 and 21, so that's why you're gonna see
percentages not add up to 100 total.
But Lamar Jackson comes in at number one.
This was the fourth quarterback off the board,
late third round, number one in consistency
by those metrics, number one in the first half
of the season, number one in the second half
of the season, 38% great games, 81% good games, 21 or more, and just 6%, so probably one game, right?
One bust game, week 11 against Pittsburgh. So that is outrageous. 81% is tied for the third
highest among all quarterbacks since 2017, so since we've been doing this.
He was so consistent.
Yeah, I mean he was the most consistent fantasy quarterback
in the history of the NFL.
16 games in the top 12.
He really was.
You know, the only season that might be as good
as this season going back is actually Lamar Jackson's previous
great season.
2019?
Yeah, he played two fewer games, didn't score as many fantasy points because he played two
fewer games.
The season was one game shorter and then they rested him in the last week, but he was 27
fantasy points per game that time.
But Lamar Jackson this year was perfection.
I mean, if you had him, you got far.
You were probably in your championship or at least thought you might get there.
And what's crazy is I don't remember maybe Josh Allen did this last year.
I don't think so.
But it's very rare for a consistent player
to be the number one most consistent in the first half
and the number one most consistent in the second half.
There was no let down, drop off, improvement, no change.
He was just great all season.
And what was insane about that, maybe it's Derrick Henry.
Maybe Derrick Henry opened things up for him,
but he didn't really have the weapons.
Like some of these top guys, him and Josh Allen both,
and they're both in the MVP race,
it wasn't like Zay Flowers just dominated,
or Mark Andrews dominated.
Well, I mean, it's weird,
because I was gonna bring this up.
He added Derrick Henry, who dominated.
He was this consistent.
That is not gonna be the story of Jalen Hurts
when we get there.
Jalen Hurts was drafted as the quarterback two off the board. He did
not finish to his expectation. He had Saquon. He does have weapons, right?
AJ Brown and Devontae Smith. And yet his situation, he was pushed to the
periphery. Whereas, you know, Allen and Lamar are the top two on our board.
Well, you have, like, it's, it's his second year in the Monkin system.
We've kind of been talking about this recently of it having all these OCs change all over the place.
It sucks because it, I mean, it takes a while to get an offense truly out there
and really fully running where people
aren't thinking about things.
They know it.
I mean, think about anything that you've done
for a long time.
And when you started doing it,
you have to consciously think about what the steps are.
And then eventually you get to muscle memory
where you can just do it.
You don't even think about it.
You just go out there and do it. And the like Lamar's passing like his numbers as a
passer, he still would have been a top five, top three fantasy quarterback 4040.
Then he just gave you 900 rushing yards. So the the addition of Derek Henry to
me, huge deal, of course, but Derrick Henry doesn't turn you into a 4,000 yard
with 40 plus touchdowns, like through the air.
That it's not a, that's not.
You're saying it was Lamar.
Yeah, this was Lamar full level up in this system.
We're hearing, I guess I haven't heard rumors recently
of Monk and getting some head coaching interviews.
Because if he left, I think it would be,
it would be very upsetting next year.
Like Lamar would be great for fantasy.
It was Greg Roman in 2019.
But we've seen him be hot and cold
when he has to keep changing all systems.
And that was Greg Roman's first season in Baltimore.
Yeah, so I look
number one in fantasy points for drop back, number one in passer rating, number
one in yards per attempt, number one in passer rating versus zone, and a lot of
it is that line between before he takes off and the elusiveness of getting
outside the pocket and players are just gonna come open as the play breaks down.
He's so good at that he's in control at all times. This is the guy. Will he be the first quarterback drafted?
Probably.
Between him and Allen.
Him and Josh Allen.
Him and Josh Allen will be really close.
But like, we were, Jason and I were so excited for Monkyn
and the Ravens offense last year.
Like, this is what we were hoping for.
We just, it was a year or two where that happened.
I will add to this, this is the probably the final
Thing we'll say here because we don't need to talk about Lamar forever. He's really good. He's gonna be drafted high
He's gonna be good, but in that 2019 season he had a 9% touchdown rate
We talked about this a lot of times with these players when they're outlandishly high
It's outlandishly high and I'm gonna read you his normal touchdown rate from that point on because that was really his first season
Then it dropped after that unbelievable fantasy season to six point nine pretty nice
4.2 five point two five point three and then this year
Back up to eight point six. So it's is not the norm
The touchdowns aren't as sticky and predictable when you're 40
I can't I would be very surprised if he back-to-backs 40 touchdowns.
No, I think that's fair.
We'll get into Josh Allen in a minute.
We'll take a quick break and we'll hit the number two quarterback on our list.
All right, fellow 28- old Josh Allen, the other part of the MVP race came in at
number two, first half consistency score of six, second half of three, ends the year as
the second most consistent quarterback.
It was red light, green light to start the year.
We all remember number one quarterback against Arizona in week one, all the way down to 28
in week two, then back up to number two in
week three and down to 28 against Baltimore in week four and
We didn't know what the new normal was going to be for Josh Allen without Stefan Diggs without Gabe Davis with this
System without a Maury Cooper yet, right? Well, he made such a difference
great games 31% of the time
such a difference. Great games 31% of the time, so just below where Lamar was. Good game 63%, but he did bust 25% of the time. Three of those games in the bust
category came in the first five weeks. So you could also look at, hey he's
adjusting to new personnel, you know, kind of found what they were looking for from week nine on really
and was the number three most consistent in the second half.
Unbelievably high numbers, big numbers against bottom 16 defenses.
So when you look at fantasy points per game, 19.39 against top 16 defenses.
And that was a good sample size. 11 times they
played those defenses. In the six games where he should, like when you would
predictably come in here and say oh it's gonna be good for Josh Allen, it was so
good. 33.5 fantasy points in those games. So they, when they, you know, the big
problem with Buffalo to me when we were going through the season was a lot of
running game. A lot of total, you know, not a
lot of plays in the game, slower offense, still kind of worked out for Josh Allen, just not the
way we had seen it in the past. Yeah, it's, it's interesting of, you know, like the Ravens,
just real quick, of like, it might be just an entire team regression,
because they were, you have Lamar's numbers and then you have Derek Henry who's
almost at 2,000 rushing yards, double digit touchdowns.
I mean, Josh Allen stood, James Cook tied
the Bills running back rushing touchdown record, he tied
OJ Simpson, so it's not like guys weren't taking away
points from Josh Allen.
The, hate to see that split being that drastic
over the course of a season, but they're,
that's not gonna freak me out with,
you know, we have enough sample of Josh Allen.
No, and I also think that there's,
I mean, it's crazy with having as good a year as he had
to think he could still get better next year.
You know, when I look at these two guys, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and I think who's going
to, who gets better next season, I think there's more pathway there for Josh Allen. His rushing
touchdowns are more secure because they do the tush push type of move. They score, he
scores more around the goal line. Lamarars tend to be further out. But you
look at this, this is the first time over the last eight years that a top five quarterback,
not just like the quarterback too, but even just a top five, has failed to have a top
30 wide receiver or a top 10 tight end. He didn't have great weapons. I don't think Lamar
has excellent weapons, but his are better. Mark Andrews and Zay Flowers are better than the hodgepodge
that Josh Allen was working with.
This was very much the Brady type year for Josh Allen.
Where Brady would have productive years
and sometimes you couldn't point,
he didn't always have Randy Moss, right?
Right.
It was Dion Branch and other players.
The number that you looked at last off season and said,
hey, he scored 15 times on the ground last year.
He's not gonna do that again.
Well, he scored 12 times on the ground
How many touchdowns did he throw when he was number one last year? He threw 29 this year. He threw 28
touchdown rate
Much more reasonable. He's had two years where he was higher than the 5.8 percent this year in the past
He has this is the first time in five years that he hasn't thrown for 4,000 yards.
He threw for 600 fewer yards this year.
And I think that was noticed in fantasy, right?
Like I think you did feel it,
but he ended up not being that bust potential guy
that lets you down.
He actually had back-to-back number one finishes, right,
going into the fantasy playoffs.
During the fantasy playoffs,
he had a down week against New England.
That one hurt.
But again, very, very consistent, Josh Allen.
Yeah, I mean, he's also going to break
the all-time rushing touchdown number for quarterbacks.
He could do it next year.
Joe Burrow comes in at three.
Yes, Joe Burrow at three.
He was drafted as the quarterback seven in the sixth round.
31% great games, 50% good, 19% busts.
That is fewer than Josh Allen in the bust category.
Consistency wise, welcome to the Joe Burrow experience.
Start slow.
First half of the year, number 12,
including number 29
overall finishing week one against New England that made everybody go what's
going on? Number two inconsistency on the second half of the season an absolute
machine. His splits are even against great defenses and bad defenses.
His home road splits are within 2.8 points.
I mean, so it was just, it was very even keeled here.
Everyone could score on the Bengals, Mike.
Yeah, that did help.
The teams with bad defenses and the teams with good defense,
they could all score on the Bengals.
That did help.
And then Burroughs was like, okay, I gotta keep doing this.
I mean, it really was nice.
Obviously they made a defensive coordinator change.
And I think that if their defense got better,
they would like Joe Burrow to not have to score 40
every game in order to get a W, but he can.
It's good for fantasy.
Oh, it's so good for fantasy.
4900 yards, 43 passing touchdowns, and nine interceptions. I'm hoping that's an MVP year if you oh, you know
Yeah, I I'm hoping they don't replace the DC with anyone
They just leave that vacant. Oh, just nobody no, but focus on the offense like the defense shows up for practice and they're just looking around
Yeah, it's self-taught. Oh, so man Like yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys go on that field,
figure some stuff out.
Oh man, who's gonna be the first one
with an AI defensive coordinator?
But like in one of those Tesla robots comes out there.
Oh, so it's actually full on.
Yeah, but it's shaped like Rex Ryan.
Oh, he's a big boy.
That's a big robot.
Yeah, it's gotta be scary.
With super white teeth.
Loves feet.
Covered tube bleep blop. Covered to bleep blop.
Covered to bleep blop.
Okay, Joe Burrow, what else is there to say?
The thing.
Pocket passer.
Yeah, he is a pocket passer, so we,
man, by we, I mean me,
really hope that T. Higgins is back for Joe Burrow.
If you like fantasy points from Joe Burrow, you should also hope that T. Higgins is back for Joe Burrow. If you like fantasy points from Joe Burrow,
you should also hope that T. Higgins is back.
Joe Burrow with some other options of Jamar Chase
can still be great.
But for a pocket passer to hit this type of a ceiling,
to do it without a second really good weapon on the field
is your probability goes way down.
This was the exact same points per game he had in 2022.
Last year, 10 games, 14.7 points per game, not a good pick, not a good fantasy pick.
And then this year, right back to form.
Yeah, I mean, last year he was dealing with the injury off of camp, starting slow.
He starts with his bull crap at the beginning of the year,
which he always does, and then.
Didn't get to settle in, got hurt.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I mean, career high.
His quarterback rating was down and everything too.
Yes, but this season, career high in completion percentage,
career high in passing yardage, career high in touchdowns.
Thankfully his touchdown rate, you know, he was 6.6.
That's not an outlandish number.
He's been 6.5 in the past before.
You know, when you look at these pocket passers,
and this was our argument,
like I know a lot of foot clan had Joe Burrow
because we were talking about how some of these guys
like Jordan Love and CJ Stroud,
you were hoping that they could develop
into what we've already seen several seasons of
from Joe Burrow while Joe Burrow was going rounds later.
So the nice thing for drafting Joe Burrow is
he's done this several times.
Last season was a down season for him.
He was injured, it was bad, both on a per game basis
and obviously he
missed almost half the season. But now over the last four seasons, three of the last four
seasons, he's been really, really good.
You want to hear something crazy. 652 pass attempts compared to Josh Allen's 483. 169
more pass attempts for Joe Burrow than Josh Allen. You can imagine if Allen got to throw the ball that much,
the kinds of numbers.
102, 102 carries for Josh Allen.
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's going to be the variable
for Joe Burrow though, is that you're gonna get
the great games and then you're gonna run the risk
of not going 43 and nine every year
because the greats didn't do it, right?
Brady didn't do it, Stafford never did it.
You know?
Joe Burrow next year is probably going to be
a very sketchy ADP pick.
I just don't know if he'll go,
I don't think he'll go proportionate
to where he's finishing here.
I think he'll go behind Hertz.
He'll replace Stroud, he'll be in like the fifth.
Yeah, that makes sense. I think that will be the case. He'll still go like the fifth. Yeah, that makes sense.
I think that will be the case.
He'll still go behind Daniels.
Obviously Daniels will go ahead of him
and Josh Allen and Lamar will go ahead of him.
And Hertz.
Yeah, Hertz will go ahead of him.
Number four, guys, number four,
the truth of the quarterback position,
it's Jaden Daniels.
Wild.
Who was number four in the first half in consistency,
number four in the first half in consistency, number four in the second half in consistency,
finishing as our third most consistent player. That's wild. I mean 38% great games.
Well when you set the all-time rushing record for a rookie quarterback,
that's going to be very helpful for fantasy football.
Yeah, 891 yards, six rushing touchdowns, 63% good games, 25% bust games.
Better numbers against better defenses.
Five fantasy points more per game
against upper-echelon opponents.
Right, well it was, by the end of the year,
that was only three games.
They didn't play a lot of great defenses.
Yeah, so that's more
interesting of a the success of Washington for next year is the fact
that they'll get a schedule man you you might have lucked out here on some some
teams defenses turning sour yeah I mean the the nice thing is that on a player
level and I don't know maybe going into year two they'll try to rein this back which could be bad for fantasy
But it wasn't just that he had a lot of rushing attempts
It was that those rushing attempts came as scrambles. This was a play breaks down. He starts running
He takes off he had 75 total scrambles. That is the most all
Time since the the at least since that's been tracked since 2016 from PFF.
And a scramble is worth two times more fantasy points
than designed runs.
Scramble's are the good stuff.
Yeah, that's where it's like.
Ham, eggs, cheese.
Oh yeah, put a little onion in there.
Oh baby.
That's how I started my morning this night.
You had a scramble this morning?
A little scramble.
At home?
At home. Home scramble. Scramble. Did you go egg whites or full egg? Full egg, full egg, I want my morning this night. You had a scramble this morning? Scramble. Scramble. At home? At home.
Home scramble.
Scramble.
Did you go egg whites or full egg?
Full egg, full egg.
I want that yolk, bro.
Scramble Daniels.
Scramble Daniels.
Oh, no.
No, I mean, I want Scramble Daniels.
Oh, hmm.
No.
I don't know about that.
I don't know about that one.
Maybe that's a pass.
Yeah, let's put that.
Let's keep the scrambles at Denny's.
Let's put that on the heater over there
and then turn the heat lamp off.
We'll come back to it.
We'll revisit.
Probably not going to stick with that one.
He likes to scramble, huh?
Yes, he does.
So hopefully, next year he keeps up with that,
because that's a player trait.
And I don't want the team to say,
we're going to try to tell him to stop doing it.
Don't stop.
Don't turn into Kyler Murray.
And I was going to say, for fear of walking down the Scramble
Road again, he's one of the most like, he was smart,
for the most part.
Not every play, but a lot of his samples.
Unlike what you saw in college.
Oh, man.
He was a lot smarter.
That was his college days.
I know people had.
He did take some hits.
People had other, like, oh, I have real concerns, big questions
about Jay Daniels.
Everything was the hits of him getting absolutely crushed
and in college all the time, seemingly
unable to find the final defender who
is going to take him out.
But yeah, it was much better.
All right.
The number five fantasy quarterback was Baker Mayfield, who did finish at number five in
consistency.
Number two in the first half, number 11 in the second half, probably deserved to take
home some footies just because he was so surprisingly good.
31% great games, 56% good, 19% bust.
That is a low number.
If you played him every week, right, you're looking,
we always talk about streaming the quarterback position,
which means starting different quarterbacks
in different matchups if you don't have a guy
that you can start every week.
I'm sure that during the first six weeks of the season,
Baker still felt like 100% a streaming quarterback
where the shoe was going to drop.
Then week six, number one overall.
Week seven, number two.
Now you believe.
Week eight, number five overall.
Goodbye Chris Godwin.
No, not just Chris Godwin.
Weeks nine and 10, two of his four worst weeks
was goodbye Mike Evans.
So, I mean, this is where he had no Mike Evans,
no Chris Godwin, and was average for those couple weeks. Every game that he had Mike Evans no Chris Godwin and was average for those couple weeks every game that he had Mike Evans
I mean his his consistency was great as touchdowns. I mean he threw north of 40, right?
I don't I don't have his numbers in 41
That's that's insane now. I imagine that his
You know he pecks his touchdown rate is one of those things. It's gonna regress
I'm not gonna draft Baker to repeat what he did this year.
Bucky will get more involved in the running game starting next season, but this is a player that prior to this season was a career 4.6% touchdown thrower.
And he's pretty consistent with that, and it skyrocketed to 7.2. So when they got around the goal line,
he was able to throw touchdowns.
Jalen McMillions, at the end of the year,
was a touchdown machine.
And those things really helped take Baker
to become an elite fantasy asset this year.
But we have enough seasons of his data
where it's not just the truth of this year,
but the truth of this human and this player.
I don't think he's as good for fantasy as he was this year.
Nine times this year in the top 10 at the position.
One time last year.
And if you remember, just so this is the truth, right,
this is kind of a little bit of a reflection
of what the thinking was.
The great fear was Dave Canales' departure.
Now you've got Liam Cohen getting head coaching job offers
Jacksonville and so you you you looked at that and you say hey, what did I like about Tampa coming into the season?
They brought back the same offensive
Talent right like they were they brought Baker back committed to him Evans was back government's back
Rashad white was there like there was a lot of consistency. The offensive coordinator didn't, it changed.
But we saw that Baker could execute in a different offense
and gosh, that guy's had, I mean how many offenses
has Baker gone through at this point?
Sure.
It's funny to think about Baker,
because if you go back to, he's in Carolina, right?
They let him and Darnold go.
His career was made by that one unbelievable drive
for the Rams.
Where he shows up off of the street,
leads them down the field, makes every throw,
and all of a sudden it's renewed in people's minds
that he could be a court.
And I remember when Tampa signed him.
I was like, oh well, what?
Like, this doesn't feel like your future.
I have theories. He definitely feel like your future. I have faith.
He definitely feels like their future now.
And the fact that he is the face of a franchise again,
kind of having gone through what he went through,
I could see him elevating his game
over his career averages for sure.
Going forward, just saying like,
I now have a support system, a team,
a well-run organization around around him so he can certainly
succeed. I don't think it will be to the degree of 40 passing touchdowns ever again in his
career but he is a good quarterback. And the rushing.
He's not that different than what Burrow did this year.
The rushing is what we hope sticks because you look at the last several years,
you know, he came from college, he was a mobile quarterback,
he ran a lot, but his whole career is 131 rushing yards,
141, 165, 134, 163, 378 rushing yards?
I mean, if you do that, that's a baseline
where you don't need to throw 40 touchdowns again next year.
You remember before he became the quarterback for Tampa, it was Kyle Trask talk.
People thought Trask could be the star of that.
The good old days.
I wonder who would talk about Kyle Trask like that.
I don't know who would.
Jason.
Weirdos.
It is weird love for Kyle Trask.
I like this tape.
It does give me an idea of, cause we're always trying to figure out,
is there, what you should do for the footies.
We need a footy for like the dog, the dog of the year.
Oh, who's on that X-ray?
Yeah.
Who's got that dog in there?
Yeah, who's got multiple pit bulls inside.
Now is that a fantasy corollary stat?
That's the hard part.
Who's got the dog in them?
We will decide.
Nah, that's film.
You'll know, you'll know.
We'll know?
That's a film study.
Watch Baker this year.
Award.
The dog.
What, the scrammy of the year?
No, no, no.
I mean, he's like a dimmer on.
I'm not taking it out of,
I'm not taking it away from James,
but like when you watch Baker play,
I'm like, oh, this is a man.
Multiple plays where people are taking him down on a second.
Bosa.
He's stiff arming him, dragging him for yards.
Yeah, that's pretty good.
That wasn't athleticism.
That was dog.
It's a new stat in the UDK.
We're adding the dog factor.
It means nothing for fantasy.
He's got four wolves.
I knew that was coming.
Baker at five is wild, though. A couple bow-hows.
I had Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield.
I had gone from Josh Allen in dynasty to Kyler, I thought.
No, I went from Josh Allen to Baker.
Yeah.
It's just weird how things change.
Speaking of changing, Jalen Hurts comes in at six,
drafted as the QB2.
Was he a bust?
No.
He's not a bust, but he was not the player you drafted in
the third round. He wasn't, he didn't deliver on that for your team. Number
three in consistency in the first half, the second half killed you. Number six
in consistency but you know he had a he had a big stretch of games week 11
through 16 where didn't
play in week 17 your championship week week 16 was 33rd got hurt got the you
know not his fault but that is scored in this yeah it is scored and then he had
some mediocre weeks earlier 27 percent great 53 percent good 13 percent bust so
yeah he never hurt you I mean I guess that's the question I won't I won't
teams I won't declare it.
Yeah, he was way better against bad teams.
I won't declare that it's a bust,
but do you think that he was worth the pick?
I think he was probably worth the pick.
He was a very consistent part of your...
In the middle of the season was,
that was a run where you were, you won four games in
a row because of Jalen Hurts.
Yeah, and if you, I mean obviously it's cherry picking, he hurt a lot of people in the playoffs
when he, I mean this was like probably the biggest injury of the season from an individual
game standpoint in the playoffs.
Yeah.
Right in the beginning of the game, plays 16% of snaps, and he goes out.
And that was devastating for fantasy. But if you remove that, because we're talking about what's the
truth of the player, when he played a full game, which is the only thing you can really rely on,
you're never going to take prescriptive action based on a player missing a game early, unless it's
T Higgins, and you go, what's going to happen again? This guy was the third inconsistency.
He was the fourth inconsistency. Even in the second half, if you remove that game, they
weren't all massive bangers, but he'd never let you down.
Here's the change of value proposition though, is that this will be Saiklen's team again.
And you went from 3,800 passing yards to 2,900, right? You're under 3,000.
So you're now talking about 1,600 yards to 1,800 yards
fewer than the top passers.
You went from 23 touchdowns to 18.
That's 15 games, basically 14 games.
He scored 14 times on the ground,
fourth consecutive year with double digits on the ground.
But we saw at the end of 23,
and during some of this season,
it did not feel like Jalen Hurts
was the player that was gonna take the game over.
It felt like, say,
Juan Barclay might take the game over.
He had a weird strategy this year, Hurts did.
It was called not throwing it to A.J. Brown.
Yeah, I mean, if we're looking-
We had to change our view on Brown during the year. If we're looking at the Eagles, the Eagles are happy
to, you know, previous seasons, even last season, their defense was terrible. Their
secondary was one you targeted. They go out and they draft two rookies. They hit on both
of them. Um, Jaylen Carter, you know, was way better this season, just got, you know,
grew even more into his man body.
And the Philadelphia Eagles defense has been awesome.
So the second half of a lot of these games,
you have games where Jalen Hurts is finishing
with how many passing attempts, just,
I'm looking at the game log here and holy moly,
completions, like hitting 20 completions from the bye week.
They had a week five bye week.
Okay, super early in the season.
He only hit 20 completions once because they didn't need him to.
They won all those games.
So this is kind of a team makeup to say,
to kind of speak what you're talking about, Andy.
This is, they're not going to need to air it out.
He's probably not gonna throw for 4,000 yards
with this type of a defense.
It was Saquon on the roster.
We would take 3,000.
Yeah, I mean, he would've crossed 3,000 if he, you know.
300 fewer passing attempts than Joe Burrow.
Yeah, this is the issue.
That's wild.
But the rushing, unless the tush push goes away,
which I think it won't.
I mean, that's kind of been tried and died
I would say that
It's just such a guarantee that he gets that one plus rushing touchdowns. Is that fun to?
Not like burrow is fun, right? Yeah, there's fun to have on your team. You just
He throws the ball so much. the game is just in his hands is
it as fun right now because hurts with the passing numbers would be he'd be
the worst it would not be good but because of the rushing totals he just
kind of figures out a way to piece the game together is that as fun of an
experience is it as fun no definitely not but it will be it will be Daniels or
hurts next year for you Oh Daniels Is. I would much rather have Daniels. Will it be Burrow or Hertz?
No draft pick not considered.
Yeah, it's tough because-
Where's Higgins?
On the team.
Yeah, it might-
I'll probably go Hertz.
It's more fun at Burrow, but having a quarterback
where you know if they get down to the one yard line-
It's your touchdown.
You're like, hey, that's pretty fun.
There's like a free bingo square.
That would be fun. I've never had that. All right we'll take a break. We've got four more guys.
Jared Goff. Jared Goff!
Jared Goff introducing.
He was a 10th round pick.
He was not drafted in a lot of leagues.
Consistency rank of 7.
First half 11, second half 7.
I don't know what his fantasy story really is.
Let's figure this out because 19% great games, 44% good, 38% busts, yet throws for 4,600 yards, 37 touchdowns.
Doesn't run.
No rushing touchdowns.
Gave you these outstanding insane weeks but also busted 38% of the time.
Like this is, to me, I will clap.
I'll clap for Jared Goff.
It's like a golf clap. I'll clap for Jared Goff. It's like a golf clap. I'll give a golf clap to Jared Goff
because you're a great NFL quarterback,
but I don't want that experience.
This is not like what I want on my fans team.
Jared Goff's a QB2 streamer.
That finished at seven.
Yeah.
That's it.
Because he's the streamer who can have gigantic games.
Like when you're desperately looking at the waiver wire,
and you're like, oh, this guy has a good matchup.
I hope I get 200 to 250,
and hopefully we get two touchdowns.
Like when you stream Jared Goff in the right situation,
four touchdowns is not impossible.
Yeah, he's-
They're such a weird offense,
because they're insanely overpowered,
but frequently, I mean, until Montgomery got hurt,
it was like, you have one David Montgomery touchdown
per week that Jared Goff is not allowed to throw.
It was helpful down the stretch,
for fantasy purposes, all the injuries
that amassed on the Detroit Lions,
because to start the year the Lions were their defense was
Outstanding you couldn't run on them and it looked like you finally couldn't really throw easily on them
And so then their running game could take over although they didn't always sometimes they would continue passing
But towards the end of the year, you know weeks 14 15 16 17
He had to air it out. You lost David Montgomery and guess who got hurt
So the beginning of week 15.
It was a nice combination, but this is,
you know, you talk about a pocket passer,
like Baker has been a pocket passer,
Burrow is a pocket passer.
No, this is a, this is a pot.
He averages three rushing yards a game.
He had five games where he finished
with negative rushing yards.
This is, he ain't moving.
Well, I don't like a fantasy situation
where if the team's plan went the way they wanted it to go,
your player would not score a lot of fantasy points.
I agree completely.
And that's where, you know, it's like,
Jalen Hurts is not that right, not quite,
but it was more of that this year,
when the identity became someone else. We didn't see that with Lamar, but it was more of that this year when the identity became someone else.
We didn't see that with Lamar,
but with Goff specifically,
if they could run it on every down and play defense,
that's what they would do.
This is the first time that we've had 4,600 yards,
35 touchdowns, and a team with 14 wins
where the guy doesn't win the MVP.
I mean, Marino and Warner and Brady and Rogers.
One Mahomes year.
One Mahomes year.
Where he didn't get it.
And then Goff this year won't win it.
No, he will not.
But basically if Alan and Lamar hadn't broken everything,
like Jared Goff probably wins the MVP.
Yeah, the home road splits,
because we like to mention it with the dominator,
he was only three points better at home.
That's not domination.
No, no.
That's more balanced.
And then Jared Goff next year could potentially
have a Ben Johnson problem.
I think he's gone for sure.
Of their OC where, as of this recording,
because the Ben Johnson news could leak probably whenever,
but it might have to wait till after the Super Bowl again.
But we're just not sure.
But I'm with Andy.
I think Ben Johnson will take one of the jobs this year.
Seems like Las Vegas too.
And then it will, yeah, at least the rumor mill
is heating up for that.
And what is this?
What is this offense?
I know they've got killer pieces that have played together
for years now, but it will be a big change. It will worry me a little bit, yeah.
Yeah, Ben Johnson is my favorite coordinator.
If I were hiring a head coach for my team,
he was the one that I would want
because he has Jared Goff.
He's not playing with a Joe Burrow
or a Patrick you know,
Patrick Mahomes and you just keep recycling.
Goff was traded away to the Lions,
so they would eat his contract,
and then he would be a bridge quarterback
until they found their real quarterback,
and then their success turned that upside down.
I don't wanna take anything away from Goff,
who's played excellent ball, but it's been a both situation.
I don't think Goff single-handedly elevated Ben Johnson
to become a star name as a coordinator.
I think they both worked really well together.
So when he leaves next year,
it'll be a big wild card to see how they progress.
And this is a player, like I said,
because he's so pocket passer. This the best you know year of his career I think he
had one year kind of like this with the Rams in a yesteryear but he threw 37
touchdowns and played pretty perfect ball and he was okay for fantasy he was
good for fantasy but he wasn't great. This wasn't a player that you were super excited about so I'm not sure how in I will be on golf next year.
I believe Mike uttered something about bridge quarterback so let's get to
number eight. Sam Darnold 14 inconsistency in the first half, nine in
the second half, ends at number 10 inconsistency so a little less
consistent ranking wise than his fantasy finish. Only 6% great games.
So if you caught lightning in a bottle in week 2 or 14, congrats.
A lot of good games.
Yeah, 44% good, 25% bust.
But it wasn't the upper echelon performer was the point.
Like he didn't have a lot of those week-winning performances, which is fine.
I mean, he still had an amazing year
for what we were expecting out of Sam Darnold.
We talked about him a lot at the top,
so we don't have to linger very long.
But 33 passing touchdowns, so that was a career high.
He was like a relevant fantasy streamer, which is cool.
He looked good this season.
The truth about Darnold is that he
can play when he's got great weapons and a good coach.
He is also shakeable.
He is shakeable.
Shakeable.
You know what I mean?
This is the player who sadly famously said
he's seeing ghosts.
He admitted that when he was a ghosts. He admitted that you know and when he was jet and the last believe anyone would ever wear a microphone
Ever after that month like he was mic'd up
Yeah, this thing goes out and gets leaked we all think we would be so smart and we would be the worst
Oh, we would be the way had microphones on I wouldn't even play the football game. I just be you would be allowed you'd be banned
Yeah, I'm saying of like
Seeing that happen to him. Like you're never putting a mic on me. My homes comes in at number nine
consistency rake of 11
first half consistency
24
second half
Okay, eight
Neither of those are remotely close to drafting him in the third
round as the quarterback three with all the hopes that he could come back and perform
13% great games, 25% good. Those numbers added up are not 50%, not even close 38% bust games. So, by my math, that is an equal number, right?
That is 38% bust, 38% greater good.
That's tough, man.
It wasn't a fun ride with Patrick Mahomes this season.
If you drafted him, you probably didn't make the playoffs
because while he was okay down the stretch,
like the second half of the season, he was...
Had a couple games.
He got it together. I don't know if that was Xavier worthy kind of coming into his own
He started having more big games more touchdowns down the stretch. Maybe that was very very helpful
You know got Pacheco back for the running game the defense got a little bit worse down the stretch all those things come together
But the truth of Patrick Mahomes this year is that if you drafted him, you did not make the playoffs.
Because you had Patrick Mahomes and you had to play him for at least five, six, seven weeks, and he just dudded every single time.
His first good game came in week nine. That is, your season's over by then, and it's really hard when you spend a third round pick on the best quarterback
in the NFL to move on quickly.
You know it wasn't like it was Rashi Rice's injury that disturbed the great fantasy season.
He was terrible with Rice.
Fantasy production wise, I mean look at his profile on our side.
He has an F in consistency.
That means over the last 17 games played,
he has exceeded the 20 fantasy point benchmark 23% of the time.
I don't want a one in four chance of 20 points at quarterback.
Very terrifying to me is last year when it was, oh my gosh,
what happened to my homes?
What happened to the Kansas City Chiefs offense?
He averaged 17 and a half points per game. This year he averaged 17.6 points per game.
He was like his numbers are close to identical. Last year 40 almost 4,200
yards. This year 3,900 yards. So I mean the yardage actually went down is he went
down one passing touchdown same touchdown rate
but it's the everything from my homes is is this to the chiefs are now next year because they're
Can they can win the Super Bowl this year?
Don't know if they will but is this who the team is now?
Because this is not the team this this is not it for fantasy
yeah his yards per attempt is the scariest number for me it's down to six
point eight the lowest of his career he says one of five quarterbacks this year
with more than 20% of their attempts behind the line yeah I mean I I feel like
the Chiefs will be whatever they need to be that is the truth I think they'll be
whatever they need to be to win right the truth. I think they'll be whatever they need to be to win.
That is gonna be the number one, number two,
number three goal.
It's not, he's had a 5,000 yard passing season, right?
He's had two of them.
He's had 5,250 yards, he's had 3,900.
Is he a worst quarterback?
Probably not.
Their personnel's different.
There's no more Tyree Kale, no more 8.3, 8.8 in attempt.
His touchdown percentage, 4.5, 4.5 the last two years.
His ADP will be fascinating.
That will be a wild one.
Yeah, I mean if he drops to the 10th, I can take a shot at him, but I will be quick to
move on.
Yeah, you'll be able to move on.
Exactly. You're not as pot committed where you feel obligated to keep rolling with it.
I will say this, if he is in the sixth, seventh round,
which is already a drop for him historically,
he will not be on my roster.
Right.
Because my expectation is more of the same.
Yeah, or close, and it's gotta be way better.
Yeah.
He almost feels like someone where I'm drafting two guys.
Yeah.
Like Jordan Love. It'll be him and Bo like like Jordan it'll be him and
Bo Nicks like him and Jordan love Jordan loves ADP is not gonna be very high
next year after this disappointments like getting him in my homes two guys
who you feel like they could be fantastic but it's gonna be interesting
to watch number 10 Bo Nicks Bo Nicks at number 10 consistency rank of 11 first
half 12 second half 10 13 percent great games 38 percent good and 38 percent I can't move on. I want it to. It's not going to be in the audio.
I know. I know.
Owl, if there is something you can do to...
Because we filter out.
It's not hard. Just look up.
See if you can find a sound effect of if somebody
dropped an air conditioner from 1,000 feet
and it landed next to your ears.
Put the camera on him.
I can make sure it gets into the audio.
And if it lands next to your ears.
Make sure it gets into the audio.
Look how bright red that head is.
This is... so what happened?
If you're watching YouTube and you saw my face and Andy's face or if you're, hopefully
it comes through because we usually filter all that stuff out, but I don't know if it's
possible to filter that out.
I've never heard-
That's what we heard.
I've never heard a human being cough.
Was that, what was that?
That was Josh.
That was a cough.
No, was that a sneeze? No, that was a sneeze.
No, that was a cough. Papa Josh tried to cough louder than any human has ever coughed. In
the middle of recording, in the middle of production. You don't get away with this stuff.
He is, and he gets the toilet trophy. The toilet trophy moves to Josh. Yes. No, 100%.
We make the rules. Papa Josh, you got the toilet trophy. You just in the middle of recording.
No, it's not natural.
Here's what's natural.
You're a toilet person.
I'm going to push my microphone.
I'm going to go, no one heard it.
No one heard it, and I coughed.
What you did was all of us would have had to push our mute
buttons at the same time.
We all paused because we were scared.
I'm trying to keep talking.
I don't know what I said.
I couldn't.
It's like a four by four crashed into the back wall.
I couldn't cough that loud. If my whole goal, they'd say,
you get a million dollars if you can cough louder than Josh
just did, I wouldn't get a million dollars.
Oh, man.
That was unbelievable. What happened?
Brooks is like, yo, I heard it on the Zoom.
Brooks heard it? Yeah.
Oh, we'll make sure the people hear it.
So tell your story. What did you put into your throat?
When you talk as much?
As I do you have very strong lungs. Okay, okay, I coughed and it came through. Yeah
That's not how people call it's not okay. Anyways, what were we bow nicks? He's got a disease
Bow nicks. Yeah, we're talking about bow nicks. I mean look this was
For fantasy here's in order Josh. Yeah. Yeah, you might want to Bo Nix. I mean, look, this was for fantasy purposes. Are you here to affairs in order, Josh?
Yeah.
Yeah, you might want to check, make sure that will is tight.
Up to date.
Sorry.
Yeah.
I'm concerned about the man's family.
At this point, we need to make doctor's appointments.
There's a new flu, and you have it.
You just made it.
You created a new disease with that cough.
OK, Bo Nix, let's call this the teaser season.
Okay.
Because this was not, yes, there were some weeks
that we made him a streaming quarterback
and he had games that were certainly worthy of it,
but this was not the consistent breakout,
I'm gonna be a top 10 every year.
He's not there yet, but this was a teaser of what's to come.
If they add pieces to the offense, if they give them another year with Sean Payton, if
you get what you got out of Cortland and Sutton and you add another wide receiver or a tight
end or a running back and you get more scoring opportunities like 3,729, that's awesome as
a rookie.
To me, I'm just excited about the potential of a guy like this.
You go into next year,
are people drafting Bo Nix or CJ Stroud?
Like that's gonna be the fair combo.
I think it's, you go CJ Stroud, like you.
Is it the sweet on none of Bo Nix?
No, it's not, it's the fact that Bo Nix
is gonna give me 400 rushing yards.
Yeah.
And like we were excited about Baker's numbers.
400 rushing yards, yeah, it's not Lamar Jackson.
I get it.
Those are great numbers.
Those are really strong numbers.
They're juicy.
You love them.
For fantasy.
So week five on, week five was when
Bo Nicks had his first good fantasy game.
And those first four weeks, he's a rookie quarterback who,
this isn't Jayden Daniels, he's a rookie quarterback who, this isn't Jayden Daniels where you look,
there's a rookie quarterback who,
that guy might rush for 800 plus yards.
I'm very interested in that.
So you're not expecting that from Bo Nix,
but from week five on, he's a 4,000 yard, 36 touchdown pace
with the 400 rushing yards.
Those are pretty exciting numbers.
I'm going to be in on Bo Nix. numbers. I'm gonna be in on Bo.
I'm gonna be very in on Bo Nix next year
because I don't think his ADP is going to go out of control.
I don't believe he's gonna be a fifth round pick.
If he is, maybe I'll have to make a decision there.
But you brought it up a minute ago of like,
the Bo Nix seems like the type of quarterback
you'll just draft two of.
If he's going to be round eight or so, I'm totally in.
Yeah, I can see that.
And I think it's important, you know,
Mike's quoting week five on.
That's totally legitimate.
His rookie season started where they weren't
letting him throw the ball much.
They weren't having him open it up much.
And the first four weeks of the season
were pretty much like his worst stretch of the season.
And then as he got more used to the offense
and the weapons and all that, he was great, you know,
rest away.
And even if you take out the final week
where he was, you know, incredible
against Kansas City's backups,
he was still on a 4,000 yard, 35 touchdown pace.
Those are not numbers rookies do.
Unless they're CJ Stroud,
and that would be the counterpoint, right?
Except he didn't run.
Well, sure, but the counterpoint for CJ Stroud,
or for Bo Nix, is that look,
you can have a season that looks incredible as a rookie.
We've seen it recently,
and you will get a league that adjusts to you.
And so there are growing pains,
and sometimes, you know, CJ Stroud
playoff team, not a great fantasy year this year, everybody expected a lot
more drafted him in the fifth round.
Bo Nicks won't get anywhere.
He won't go anywhere near the fifth round, which is great.
Like the hype will not be proportionate to Stroud, but I mean, even Herbert
in that first year on fire, we've had up and down fantasy years.
So, so it is, uh, it's exciting, but you know the road is gonna be,
it's winding.
It definitely can be.
And my pushback on Stroud would be like,
he was really, really fun to watch.
Like this was an emerging quarterback,
the breakout of Nikko Collins.
But the truth that we talked about of Stroud is,
he really had two fantasy games that entire year.
He had a couple where he almost hit that 21 mark
where he's close, but he had, most of his damage was
42 points against Tampa Bay.
So I mean 42 of his 275 points was one game.
That was my concern with Stroud.
I'm less concerned with Bo Nix.
Touchdowns for fantasy are probably overpowered. Mike complains about it all the time, the
touchdowns score too much, but that's the game we play, and so touchdowns really matter.
C.J. Stroud, his rookie year, was on pace for 26 touchdowns. If you get rid of that
first month, like we did for Bo Nix when he's gotten better, still on pace for 26 touchdowns.
This season, through 20 touchdowns. That pace for Bo Nix when he's gotten better, still on pace for 26 touchdowns. This season, through 20 touchdowns.
That pace for Bo Nix of 35 passing touchdowns
plus rushing yardage, I think the baseline
is just higher for Nix.
Seven top 10 finishes for Stroud as a rookie,
seven top 10 finishes for Nix as a rookie.
Yeah, but I believe.
Seven top 12 finishes, so.
With that, I think they're similar seasons.
With the amount of quarterbacks hurt last year.
Like the points per game would be a little bit more important.
That is actually really true.
Last year, if you just look at Jared Goff
and you look at his fantasy finishes,
you're like, oh, he was great two years in a row.
He wasn't that great last year,
even though he was like the quarterback seven.
It was just, there were a lot of top guys ahead of him
that were injured.
It kind of pushed those quarterback
Fantasy points for game 18.3 fantasy points. Okay, does that help you does that help? All right, let's move on
Fantasy face-off presented by draft Kings
All right, well, week one, the wild card weekend, our pick six competition.
No crowns, no clowns is what I'm hearing.
Yeah, I mean.
We just split.
We split.
That's the worst.
Yeah, a little bit.
A little bit.
You know.
We're going to do better.
So we all split.
McConkey, I got right, Mixon, I got wrong.
Jason got Ertz wrong, Jordan Love.
Both of you guys got that one right.
And then Mike with Bucky, more than 86.5 rushing yards.
I thought we were gonna get there.
You were very close.
Josh still alive?
Yeah, he's just bringing it.
Don't talk, don't try talking.
Yeah, you might cough.
Also, go to a hospital. All right, divis's bringing it. Don't talk, don't try talking. Yeah, you might cough. Also, go to a hospital.
All right, divisional round picks.
I'm gonna go, my picked, my two picks.
My two picks.
Josh Allen, more than 239.5 passing yards.
He's averaged 272 in the playoffs.
I like, they're gonna need to lean on him this week.
And then Devonte Smith, I I'm gonna go my second pick.
More than 54.5 receiving yards.
I thought about going to AJ Brown,
but I just feel like when we've had situations this year
where big plays need to get made,
it's gone to Devontae Smith in a lot of these games.
He's been more than that number
in eight of 13 regular season games.
This is-
AJ Brown's still dealing with his knee injury.
I mean, it's clearly limiting him.
He's got inner excellence, no outer excellence.
Right.
So I will go those two picks.
I'm gonna go with a low one here.
Kareem Hunt, just more than 6 1⁄2 receiving yards.
That's the line.
He's done that in more than in seven of 12 games.
That's an interesting one.
And one of the games that he did that recently
was with Isaiah Pacheco, and it was against the Texans.
Guess who they're playing?
So I think that they will involve him in the passing game,
and that's a very easy amount of receiving yards to cover.
And I'm gonna take Jaden Daniels, the rookie sensation.
I'm gonna go with more than 53 and a half rushing yards.
That's a very, very high line.
It does feel high.
It does, however.
I almost went with his passing yards, by the way.
And I did as well.
So I don't know if you guys are aware,
Detroit's team implied total this week is the highest
of the entire season.
53.5 points, something like that.
They are going to put up a ton of points and Jaden Daniels is going to need to be involved
and catch up and keep scoring.
And the nice thing is Detroit allows the fourth most quarterback rushing yards this season.
So it's just like this perfect matchup where I think
he will have to use his legs against the Detroit Lions.
Also, if you don't know what game we're talking about,
we're playing DraftKings Pick Six,
which it's a great game because it's you against numbers.
Yeah, like there's-
Yeah, it's just more or less.
There's stat lines out there and you pick a handful of players,
and you say, are they going to be more or less than the numbers
given to you?
It's a really, really fun game.
Excited to be playing it over the playoffs here.
I have a Jayden Daniels one in mind as well.
I'm taking it over on 1 and 1 half passing touchdowns.
Kyle just shared it for us.
Jay, the Detroit's implied team total is 32.5.
The game is at 55.5. Absolutely outrageous number there to hit 55 points.
Jane Daniels, all I need is two passing touchdowns. And then I'm going,
Isaiah Pacheco, less than and a half rushing yards.
He looked like a guy who came back way too quick from the injury, gets hurt again.
I mean, thankfully they had the bye week, because the way that Andy Reid was talking
about Pacheco going into the playoffs is like, I think we're going to be good here.
So I don't like him in this game.
He came back, he's averaging 3.7 yards per carry since coming back from the injury so I'm not expecting a huge game from him.
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Will Papa Josh be here?
Stay tuned.
We do have a live image of what it looked like.
I think, oh, there it is.
Oh, there we go.
Yes, very nice.
Just breaking the glass into 1,000 pieces.
Like the big bad white back there.
I didn't even mention it, but my laptop shut down
when he talked.
Yeah.
No, the screen broke.
It's like an EMP?
It was.
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