Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - The TRUTH: WRs Part 2 + Big Game Bonanza - Fantasy Football Podcast for 2/3

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

Fantasy Football show for Feb 3, 2026. More TRUTH about the WR position on today’s fantasy football podcast! Get a closer look into 2025 performances from Tee Higgins, Drake London, and others. Plus..., lots of important NFL coaching news with the big game less than a week away! Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.Connect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:06 to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. Welcome into the fantasy footballers podcast, Jason Moore, Mike Wright, Andy Holloway. What a day to be here with you talking fantasy ahead of the big game. The big game. You can't use the real. It's so big. Trademark names
Starting point is 00:00:57 Just a big game. Has, does anyone have a trademark to like the biggest game or the bigger game? Does anyone have the big game trademarked? Because then they'd be like, nah, uh, ah, ah. Look into all three.
Starting point is 00:01:10 Yeah. Claimsies. That is the move. The domain name the big game.com is for sale. For how much? No price has been disclosed. Oh, what about bigger game
Starting point is 00:01:22 and biggest? Look into it. Yeah. I'm on it. We own a lot of unnecessary domains. Mike, you can get any of them that you want. I would consider all of them very useful.
Starting point is 00:01:32 That's why we have them. Bro, we were so early on Christmas football.com. We have Tuesdaynightfootball.com. Yeah? I think we probably have Wednesday night football. There's a good chance. I'm on it.
Starting point is 00:01:42 Like, if we go through another pandemic, we've got all the days that they're going to be playing football on lock. That's right. Welcome back into the show, the truth. Bad news.
Starting point is 00:01:52 We do not. We do not have Wednesday night Oh, we have Saturday night football? Probably. How about Halloween football? I don't know, man. We're losing them all right now by talking about it. Our top men on this.
Starting point is 00:02:05 These are supposed to be secrets. Oh, great. Don't have business meetings live on air at the top of the show. Look, I'm excited. We do have the Super Bowl coming up. And we've got the truth episodes, the final two episodes this week. Somebody nod at me. Yes.
Starting point is 00:02:25 That's correct. Yes. The final two truth episodes. Sunday is not just the big game. Sunday is the big game takes a back seat, really, too. Yeah. The ultimate draft kit pre-orders begin on Sunday at a discount. The 2026 ultimate draft kit.
Starting point is 00:02:42 The team has been working like gangbusters. The new app, huge refresh, looks better, runs better, more effective. The first part of the Dynasty Pass will also launch on Sunday, so that'll be available if you've got the UDK Plus or if you're an Ultimate Foot Clan member, you already have it. So that'll be UltimateDraftKat.com on Sunday, and the Dynasty Pass immediately available. We've been in our dynasty startup rankings talking through all of those.
Starting point is 00:03:14 Oh, man. It's not easy. No, it's not. And Andy, we had the same problem. Jason, you were not in the room. we got to the point of the tight ends and we're like George Kittle. Yeah. Oh man. What do you?
Starting point is 00:03:29 I just kept clicking the down button. What do you possibly do? Because you have to call. You got to call your shot one way or the other. Either he's like a screaming value because he can return from an Achilles injury at post 30 and be a dominant tight end. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Or he can't as the rest of the people who have torn their, or Achilles, like where they just go way down in fantasy value. It is so brutal. I don't think the people understand the amount of pain it brings us to do rankings. Yeah. This is hard work. We have to move guys like George Kittle to places we don't like them. In Dynasty, when you get older, you get it moved down, even though we respect you?
Starting point is 00:04:09 He's under contract for four more years. Four more years. And then you clearly. Isaiah likely or George Kittle in a dynasty startup. I would hold it. I mean I knew you'd pause likely he's free agent
Starting point is 00:04:25 Yeah So he like He might be a boat But George Kitt Oh no No You don't have to check with the rankings I mean it's tough when you think like
Starting point is 00:04:35 Even worse Like a fellow older titan like Dalton Schultz Like Buried Right Like Kittles career could be Pretty much fantasy wise
Starting point is 00:04:49 over. If it takes him, you know, three quarters of the year to get back and then he's not ever himself this year. Oh, yeah. Theo Johnson. If you're in a startup draft, in a start up draft, you would take Theo Johnson. Meowson Taylor. Oh, stop it. Oh, maybe. I don't know. I just don't know. But that's
Starting point is 00:05:05 why I said, stop it. Stop it first. Have some respect. This is the, that's the fun of dynasty and the challenge of dynasty rankings. You can see where our George Kittle spot lands on Sunday. With we and gnashing of teeth.
Starting point is 00:05:21 He will be the only player listed as between rank 5 and 25. Yeah. Just somewhere in there. Those injuries are tough. They're tough. But that's all coming on Sunday, and we do offer a pre-order discount.
Starting point is 00:05:36 If you are a member of the Foot Clan, you get a discount on top of that. And obviously, if you're an ultimate Foot Clan member, you just get access on Sunday. Nothing more to buy. We appreciate each and every one of you supporting the show. You can find us over on X at the FF ballers, where we've always been. You can find Jason at Jason FFL, Mike at FFF Hitman.
Starting point is 00:05:59 I'm at Andy Holloway. The community is at joiningthof.com. And you can watch the show every day. YouTube.com slash the fantasy footballers. Subscribe, click the bell. And let's jump into the news. News and notes from around the league. All righty.
Starting point is 00:06:20 The Raiders. I'm going to share their news first because they made the news first. Clint Kubiak, after he completes his potential Super Bowl victory with the Seahawks, will become the next head coach of the Las Vegas Raiders, the next head coach of Fernando Mendoza, Brock Bowers, and Ashton Genti. He's done a masterful job. Seattle will have gone through three offensive coordinators in three years. But it looks like Clint Kubiak's going to take over.
Starting point is 00:06:50 This is why your head coach should be the offense. It's very tough to have something like Seattle next year. There will be massive questions about their offense because it's not strange to have a team dominate like they are. They lose their OC. Someone else comes in. They're like, oh, they're not even close to as good. You know, it is weird because we're going to talk about another situation
Starting point is 00:07:17 that's similar but different. Yeah, I was going to say, I think now you're starting to see if you've got a great offensive head coach, you could still lose your OC. I mean, obviously the next piece of news is an OC for Sean McVeigh leaving. But I guess, Mike, you're saying your office doesn't take as big a hit when the main man in offenses at top. Yeah, that's the weird thing. So Michael Flores going to be the new head coach of the Arizona Cardinals, the final hire of the head coaching positions that were open. he's unique in the sense that, well, one, Liam Cohen, Kevin O'Connell, and Matt LaFleort all were the offensive coordinator for Sean McVeigh.
Starting point is 00:07:58 And he's really the one, you don't have a loss in Los Angeles because McVeigh's calling plays. Right. But these guys have all gone on to great success. Kevin O'Connell, obviously, in Minnesota, Liam Cohen, amazing year so far, or had the amazing year with Jacksonville and was great with Tampa Bay. And then Matla Floor and Green Bay. now Mike LaFleur, his brother, the LaFleur bros, Al Borland and his Packers and us, Arizona,
Starting point is 00:08:24 pretty much the same story of franchises. Yeah. Pretty much identical. You got Jonathan Gannon now. We did a, we got like, we're just interwoven. We're like the same. You have more rings. Anyways, Mike LaFourne, new head coach of the Cardinals.
Starting point is 00:08:37 Jason, you've done a deep dive here. You're kind of optimistic. I am optimistic. I think in the end. But you're not normally for Arizona. You're happy too. Bro. This is what we wanted from the beginning.
Starting point is 00:08:49 Yeah, from the beginning. We had to hold it back because I didn't think it could happen. Well, everyone else got hired and he was still there and he's like, ah, okay, I'll take the job. Wait, you're going to give me five years? Because I'm not going to unless you give me five years. Okay, you give me five years, which they did. In the end, it won't matter. The Arizona Cardinals are broken from the top.
Starting point is 00:09:06 It. However, I do think that Mike LaFleur is a good, both, I mean, Kubiak and LaFleur, my tweet from the beginning of the coaching cycle, when Gannon was fired, my tweet that I keep going back to over and over and over was any LaFleur, any Kubiak, any Harbaugh. That's all I wanted. Give me any of those brothers. Harbaugh went to New York. Kubiak went to Las Vegas.
Starting point is 00:09:32 And there was LaFleur left over. The baby LaFleur. But, you know, I really do like when you have, this is not someone without play calling experience, right? like Mike LaFleur was already an offensive coordinator for the Jets where he called the plays. Those offenses were bad, but those offices were Zach Wilson offenses. And whenever Zach Wilson missed games, their offenses were great. Mike LaFleuhr's Jets offenses when they did not have Zach Wilson were top five in most statistical categories. As long as it wasn't Zach Wilson.
Starting point is 00:10:04 Yeah, it's not like they have a quarterback plan in Arizona. So maybe they roll Kyler Murray, maybe they trade them and draft someone or bring in, the New York Jet Joe Flacco who was there with Mike LaFleur but yeah TBD on the office I do think that this is a very good hire Yeah I'm kind of excited for both
Starting point is 00:10:26 Like maybe we were a year early being excited for Las Vegas And maybe we still would be a year early With Mendoza being drafted and all the You know challenges of being a rookie quarterback likely to start week one But there's more optimism there with Gentie Bowers and Mendoza as a core to build around. And you mentioned Arizona gave LaFleur five-year deal.
Starting point is 00:10:47 It reminded me of when Detroit gave Dan Campbell a six-year deal. We all were blown away by it, but it's a commitment to developing a team and an offense over time. It's also the punishment for being a terrible franchise for a long time. Like Detroit was in the doldrums. They're like, we'll give you a six-year deal, just come. And so, yeah, I'm thrilled. Cardinals got to be paying like seven, eight coaches by now. Ravens hired Declan Doyle to be their offensive coordinator who will call plays.
Starting point is 00:11:14 That's another OC leaving under a head coach that is the offensive mind. Ben Johnson loses his first piece. Yeah, I mean, but it's Ben Johnson. Right. Now Declan gets to go call plays for the Ravens. It could be interesting. Sean Mannion, the new offensive coordinator for the Eagles, but they also hired another one in Josh Grisard so that they have two.
Starting point is 00:11:35 Wait, no, no, no. Grisard was hired as the passing age coordinator. But sure, the wink wink as he was, the OC for the Bucks. I just can't believe that we are doing this show where Sean Mannion is now a head coach. Because I remember Sean Mannion's rookie year in 2015 for the Los Angeles Charters. We talked about him on this show when they drafted golf and the like you were calling for golf to be benched. Yes, for Sean Mannion.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Dude, I mean, that was a running bit for a couple of years of just believing that Sean Manion was one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And now the fact that he... He's just too good. Him and Trask, right? You're a big Trask guy. Just wait till he's an OC, man. But this is so interesting to me and we will see.
Starting point is 00:12:24 I don't think this was on many people's like bingo card of like which OC is going to get which job. I didn't hear Sean Mannion's name anywhere. Well, a lot of coaches turned down offensive coordinator in Philadelphia as well. That's been troubled. By the way, you want to know another dynasty rankings challenge? Devante Smith and AJ Brown. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:12:46 Yeah, AJ Brown is really tough. I can tell you right now I have Devante Smith ahead of AJ Brown. AJ Brown is very tough. Yeah. Sean McVeigh, Les Sneed. The Rams said, hey, you almost made it to the Super Bowl. Here's some more years and some more money. This is great, great news for Pukkah.
Starting point is 00:13:05 We've been talking about it on the Dynasty show of like when you rank these top guys, right? It's usually it's Jamar Chase. It's JSA, it's Pooka Nakuwa. But it's like Puka always had the still has the giant red flag of Stafford. Stafford is old. You're going to lose Stafford within Pucka's
Starting point is 00:13:24 career, obviously. But if you lost Stafford and McVeigh at the exact same time, which I think a lot of people thought that might be the way it goes, just when you lose your quarterback, you smoke bomb as the head coach. Right. Um, I got, I, I'm going to take some time.
Starting point is 00:13:40 You know, I'll go do TV for a year. Find a team that's got a quarterback. It is the better approach. Like, for, it's such a better approach. It's a great approach, but it's, it was always funny with McVeigh because he's so young. Right. Like, if you talk about all the historical things you can build up as a head coach, like, it was just like the retirement conversation just kept happening for him, for Aaron Donald, for Matthew Stafford for years,
Starting point is 00:14:09 and then now he signs an extension. So there you go. The Vikings fired their general manager because whoopsies, we did not. Yeah. We did not keep Sam Darnold. There was the big
Starting point is 00:14:26 quarterback whoopsie. This one, it's still weird. Didn't he just get an extension last year? Yeah, he got an, because he had, what, a 14 win team with Sam Darnel and built a A Delfaw, men saw? Yeah, I don't
Starting point is 00:14:42 This one's weird. Yeah. Maybe this is just it and they were like, dude, how do you how did you screw up the Sam Donald thing? Which I, that had open a team effort. The rumors. It takes a village to blow that. Well, so part of it wasn't necessarily
Starting point is 00:14:58 a team effort. Some of the reporting that has come out after the firing has been basically that this was the GM's decision to move on from the veterans and to draft the rookie, that LaFleur was more in the camp of keeping Darnold, but it wasn't just Darnold. O'Fle? O'Connell?
Starting point is 00:15:14 O'Connell? O'Connell. There's a lot of LaFleur talk today. He was more in favor of keeping Darnold. And then you had Daniel Jones there, too. And so you had other options on the roster. But even then, it's like,
Starting point is 00:15:30 I actually think they would have been okay with Carson Wince. Like, you lost a lot of quarterbacks here. Do you know what's so funny? The parallels, we're talking fantasy, right? We're talking NFL news, and it's fun to, you know, the hindsight is 2020, right? Sam Darnold arrives. They're in the Super Bowl, two straight years dominating. You know, what was on their mind wasn't the 14 win season. It was the playoff collapse. Yes. Which was wrong of them to prioritize that, it seems. But what's funny is the parallels to, like, we do this in Dynasty. We have a team that's performing or a team that's playing well. And then we. get a little greedy with, man, if I could just get a few years younger at quarterback or a few years younger at running back. I mean, sometimes that happens in Dynasty where you, we say this
Starting point is 00:16:16 all the time. Don't just play for tomorrow. When you've got the bird in the hand that led you to a championship game, maybe run that back a little bit. Don't just cat. Oh, boy, that, that, C.J. Strad looks like the future. Let's pick him up in Dynasty and get rid of Mahomes. And then it doesn't work out the way you want. No, it's a good point. I mean, you, you yourself, have had introspection on this. I do remember though, I think it was on the footcast where you came to the conclusion that you sold too early.
Starting point is 00:16:44 Until you went and looked at your lineup and were like, oh, no, I just right. I held on to the bitter end. But no, it'll be interesting because we trust O'Connell, Jefferson's entire future hinges on the right decisions being made. It's impossible for this team
Starting point is 00:17:00 to move forward with JJ and nothing. It could be JJ, but and nothing cannot exist. absolute weirdest part of this whole thing, which we haven't even mentioned yet, was the timing of firing him. I mean, we're, it's, it's February. Like, this is draft season. The, the senior bowl has happened where he was, where he was there running the Vikings organization. And so now they're saying, like, we're, just stay there. We're going to, they are going to, they're going to start their GM search after the draft. So that means.
Starting point is 00:17:36 That means the draft will be done without a formal general manager. And then right after the draft free agency opens, you're not going to probably have your GM, certainly not one that's got a game plan for this organization. It just seems like you are shooting the nail gun on your foot. Well, the divisions are really easy. Oh, soups easy. But my absolute favorite part, because I don't, I, you know, personally, I don't know the ends and outs.
Starting point is 00:18:02 I was surprised by it. I didn't see this coming. but the meme of the year the meme of maybe all time of the JJ you know nine face with all the other quarterbacks superimposed into that image whenever they play poorly but now coming back full circle the season is over
Starting point is 00:18:22 and it's just him talking about you know when you get your when you get your GM fire it's just the nine picture und doctored do you do you know so good do you remember the record give me the Vikings record. I want to say they won their last four games in a row. They were like a game and a half out of the playoffs or something.
Starting point is 00:18:41 Nine, eight. Eight. I'm going to nine and eight. Nine and eight, five straight wins in the season. Five straight wins. Okay. So. Fire. They will bring in somebody, whether it's cousins, somebody else, that can be a veteran that can't, because the rip cord, you may have to pull it quick. You might. But going through a full year of free agency and the draft without a captain.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Yeah. I feel like you could be damaging your franchise for multiple years. I mean, obviously they have put someone in charge as, you know, they basically have an interim GM. But yeah, the timing was seemingly short-sighted. But there's been a couple transactions in the past where I was such a head scratcher. That turned out to be some of the best things ever. I'll never forget how dumb I thought the Sean McVeighire was hiring a 30.
Starting point is 00:19:34 year old kid. I was like, okay, maybe you know something I don't. Yeah. Yeah, I mean. So this would be the second time. Dalton Kincaid's fifth year option likely to be picked up, according to Brandon Bean and Buffalo. Josh Allen confirmed that he underwent surgery to repair a broken bone in his foot. Seems minor like an eight to 10 week timeline should be good for training camp. And they hired the former Broncos senior offensive assistant Pete Carmichael as offensive coordinator, but Joe Brady will still call plays. Do you guys see Joe Brady talking Keel Coleman? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:06 Oh yeah. He said it was the best thing for Keel. And he's the coach. If I remember, right, then he started going Dion. He started going third person. Oh, did. Or did he say about Joe Brady? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Look, he's a Keon Coleman fan, which he's the only one. So there you go. Super ironic that at the press conference for, for the firing, was talking about how they were a fan. And GM is still employed. and promote it. Oh, man. What a world. And he hates you, Keon. Rahim Morris got passed over for the Cardinals job.
Starting point is 00:20:41 The 49ers hired him as their defensive coordinator. This is what the 49ers do, man. They pick up the failing defensive head coaches that get fired, run them for like a year at D.C., and they go get jobs again. Chase Brown in talks with the Bengals regarding a potential extension. Oh, boy. This can't happen. Oh, boy. Entering the final year of his rookie deal.
Starting point is 00:21:04 this is he hasn't made his money yet no he has he has not this is great i mean it's a great sign for for dynasty managers out there for me i yeah i'm a little bit of personal i got some investment on chase brown but saying of like the going back the the breakout was two years ago for chase brown and then it was there was a lot of offseason can he make it through the draft and not get replaced and then he did. And then it's, man, where does Chase Brown belong for fantasy football? You know, a little bit rocky start when you didn't have a quarterback, but then incredible towards the end.
Starting point is 00:21:43 But along, I feel like along the journey of Chase Brown, especially when you're talking Dynasty, never has it been, what if Chase Brown's going to get an extension with the Bengals? It was always just, how long can we hold out and get all the fantasy juice from Chase Brown until they certainly eventually replace him? They may not be replacing him,
Starting point is 00:22:03 and that would be detrimental to everyone in the League of Record. I like Chase Brown, the man. I want him to get an extension or a Brooks loves it too. He's on Brooks's Dynasty team. He's a great player. He's a great player. Kirk Cousins expected to be released by the Falcons. They're going to move forward with
Starting point is 00:22:19 their own version of JJ. That means Kirk Cousins is a starting quarterback in the NFL in week one in 2026. Almost... What? If he's releasing on the open market, I think he'll
Starting point is 00:22:33 he'll go out and find a job starting week one. It'll probably be a bridge quarterback somewhere. Okay, it could definitely happen. But it will be, he will be a... How about the Vikings? I don't think he'll sign for not that. I'll agree with that. Oh, no, he wants to start.
Starting point is 00:22:51 He wants to start, and he has always done a good job of getting his money. Yes, he has. Yeah, he's made a lot. All right, we'll take a break, and we'll jump back into the truth. Let's do it. You want answers? I think I'm entitled. You want answers.
Starting point is 00:23:17 I want the truth. You can't handle the truth. All right. On our last episode, we talked about the top 10 finishers at the wide receiver position, breaking down the truth. The very top end group, you know, they were very consistent in conjunction with where they finished. Some of the players at the bottom, not as much. Jameson Williams made the top 10 that tells you about where that consistency level got to
Starting point is 00:23:44 in the top 10 finishers. We talked about how wide receiver scoring was down on last week's episode. We compared 20, 25 with every other season since 2018. Wide receivers saw just 58% of total targets, which is the lowest number in that span. You know, the tight-in position, we've gone, I mean, let's go back to Leporta, Bowers, right?
Starting point is 00:24:09 then we had this year that was yeah this year yeah trifecta you had Porta Bowers but then this year we have Fanon Loveland
Starting point is 00:24:22 Mr. and Warren and Warren so like the impact of these of the tight in position broadly but also these rookies coming in and just significant some offensive philosophies of like the
Starting point is 00:24:33 Rams very the Rams were the legendary they were the 11 personnel team that always had three wide receivers out there. Now they're always throwing out heavy packages. Yeah, it's 13 at all times now. The wild thing, too, is it's like we know from our running back truth episode, this didn't, you know, the proportion didn't go to a bunch of running back targets.
Starting point is 00:24:56 We were actually, we didn't have a lot of running backs catching a ton of passes. So, yeah, the number's down a little bit for the wide receiver position. defense's overall defended deep passes very well, which is not super fun for fantasy. I mean, Dallas knew what the assignment was. That's why they were fun for fantasy. Yeah, but this was the fewest 20 plus yard, sorry, 20 plus air yard touchdowns over the last seven years.
Starting point is 00:25:24 That's not fun. That's not fun. Yeah, those are the, that's the good stuff. Yeah. If only you could complete more than 50% of those throws, you would be in the Super Bowl. Only two teams did it. The Seahawks and the Patriots.
Starting point is 00:25:40 Wow. They could make big plays. Yeah. They knew how to do it. So we take a look beyond the season finish and we look at consistency. And we're diving into our second group of wide receivers. A great game, because you're going to hear me talk about the percentages of great games, good games and bust games.
Starting point is 00:25:56 A great game's 20 plus points. Good games, 12 and a half or more. Bust games, fewer than seven and a half. And these are all half-point PPR. Half-P-R? Half-point-P-R. Thank you, Jason. What are we? NPR?
Starting point is 00:26:10 Yeah, that's it. Sultry, buttery. Like Cortland Sutton, wide receiver number 11. Cortland Sutton, at 11, does that? He doesn't feel that way. No one after wide receiver 6 feels like they were any good. And that was what you just had this nice, long, eloquent talk about how wide receiver yardage and everything's down. They all suck.
Starting point is 00:26:35 Like, this is a, this is a very good wide receiver who is a wide receiver one on this season and no one was happy with him all year. It was like, oh, he's not even the wider receiver one for his team. Don't say all year because he, over the first seven weeks, I mean, you had two clunkers in there, but you had, you know, what, five usable weeks. Like, Cortland Sutton felt, I mean, I, I've had. Adam. I drafted him for the League of Record. It, up through that point, you felt like, okay, I have a guy who I will
Starting point is 00:27:08 be able to depend on. Maybe the, you know, super sealing. It won't be there like it was last year. And then in the middle of the year, it really fell apart. Jason was hitting that Troy Franklin button way too much. Yeah, baby. Yes. He really was.
Starting point is 00:27:24 And then we had, and then it was, hey, it's Pat Bryant. And hey, it's Marvin Mims. I mean, we were, and And Bo Nix wasn't doing it up. That was part of it. Yeah. So, yeah, consistency ranked for Cortland Sutton in the second half was 22.
Starting point is 00:27:38 And that's more what the season felt like. You're right. He was more consistent in the beginning of the year, but you were still waiting for breakout games, which you only got 12% of the time. Right. Great games, 47%, bust 29%. Look, Cortland Sutton does not always feel like an alpha wide receiver. Sometimes he does.
Starting point is 00:27:55 Yeah. Seems like he's capable of it. But he also makes just a few more mistakes than I think some of the true premieres. He is a very good wide receiver, who is a wide receiver won for his team. This offense, I would say, was the bigger disappointment. If this offense was faster pace, higher scoring, you know, and everything just percentage-wise moved up, Cortland Sutton would have been fine. But he's 30 years old right now.
Starting point is 00:28:22 And so going into next year with some of the young guys like Franklin, who was just 20 targets behind him, and for a large chunk of the season was leading Cortland Sutton. and targets of Pat Bryant, the end of the year, started to get on the field more, little glimpses of a breakout coming. I don't think we're going to be excited about Cortland Sutton. I know he just put up basically identical seasons and back-to-back years. You know, wide receiver 13, 11 to 13, depending on your scoring format. Next year, maybe it'll be an age value if the offense gets better with a change of offensive coordinator. We do have news on their offensive coordinator. Webb
Starting point is 00:29:03 just happened. Oh, wow. Look at that for time. Not a surprise that Coralyn Sutton News would happen immediately when Jason's talking about it. Breaking News. Yeah, Davis Webb. Kyle was trying to convince us. I mean, it's Sean Peyton. Kyle was trying to convince us in our Slack channel that Davis
Starting point is 00:29:20 Mills just got the top of the OC. So while you were, I didn't hear a single thing you just said, Jay, because I'm like, what are you talking about? And I'm scouring the internet. It's looking for Davis Mills. news. Davis Webb. Davis Webb. Which
Starting point is 00:29:35 that makes more sense. Way more sense. He's not a backup quarterback for an active NFL team. But Cortland Sutton, that's his story. He was okay. He was okay. It's not flashy. It's like Bow Nix had 25 passing touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:29:52 That's what you noticed the problem. Like at the end of last year with Bo Nix and the rookie season breakout, it was like every week was a Sutton touchdown. Yes. Bo Nix had 25 touchdowns. And he had two games of four passing touchdowns. Oh, man. When you say it like that?
Starting point is 00:30:09 Yeah. Say it again? Disgusting. Eight of his past, eight of his 25 passing touchdowns came in two games. I mean, that's super cool if you played him that week. But that's a lot of your production tied up into two weeks. So that would be eight of 25. So we had 17 of them in 15 weeks.
Starting point is 00:30:29 Is that the math? Yeah. That's the math. Yeah. And that's why you weren't really thrilled with anyone on this offense. But also part of why you weren't thrilled with anyone on this offense is the opposite reason that you were so thrilled with the Dallas Cowboys. This is an elite defense and it should be elite next year. So I don't think this is an offense we should be targeting too heavily because they don't need to score a lot to win.
Starting point is 00:30:53 Yeah. Number 12, T. Higgins. Oh, maybe. Oh, meat Higgins. What's new? I mean, another season with some blips on the attendance chart for T. Higgins, but this was a, when he was active and Joe Burrow was there, it's the same old T. Higgins. Second half consistency versus first half.
Starting point is 00:31:14 First half, 25th. Welcome to the Bengals. You're going to see the same thing with Jamar Chase and Chase Brown. Second half, though, fifth inconsistency. Played 15 games. 11 receiving touchdowns in only 4. 15 games. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:30 I mean that is... 11 undocumented concussions. And seven documented. Yes. No, I mean, the story with T. Higgins is he's always very good when Joe Burrow is there. He is not going to put up 1,500 yards. He is not going to catch 100 passes. He is going to be very touchdown dependent.
Starting point is 00:31:50 He seems to be very good at getting into the end zone. But 59 for 846 is whatever, right? If he had five touchdowns, we're not talking about T. Higgins. today. 11 touchdowns though, that's a difference maker in a year where not a lot of guys got the double digits. So 13% great, 47% good, 27% bust. His games played. This is an improvement. Yeah. 2022, it was seven games. 12 and 2023, 11 last year, 15 this year. Okay. The, the truth about T. Higgins is always the same. And this is why if Mike has been proven the year of Mike to be right, maybe you should be in on T. Higgins because every year it's, man,
Starting point is 00:32:36 T. Higgins was great in this situation, which is usually just on the field. But we always had the asterisk because he would start the game and then leave early. So he didn't play the game, so it ruined all the stats. But in reality, in games, he played the whole game, he's always awesome. Well, this year, we had the quarterback struggles for the first six weeks. If you take out those games and you just look, all the games he played with Joe Flacco or Burrow after Flacko, his wide receiver would have been the number four wide receiver. He was really good. Yeah. And so year after year after year, we're having the same conversation of he is so good, but things go wrong. Yep. Where he is. They do, but he will be, he'll be a player that I'm guessing I'll be targeting him yet again
Starting point is 00:33:23 for fantasy football. We love that the Bengals, at least as of right now, it looks like the Bengals, they're going to run it back. Well, they, yeah, they can do that on offense. That's fine. Their offense is fine. They cannot do that on defense.
Starting point is 00:33:39 They cannot do that on defense. No, their defense is awesome. Luz Hendrickson, get worse. Let's talk about the 13th ranked wide receiver with a first half consistency of 49 and basically non-existent. and the sixth most consistent wide receiver in the second half of the season
Starting point is 00:33:57 at 25 years old Michael Jerry Rice Wilson Michael Wilson was the number six most consistent in the National Football League with fantasy finishes of 2, 9, 2, 19, 22, 10 and 6 over the back half of the year 12% great, 35% good, 47% busts, It doesn't feel fair to look at it in totality because the season just wasn't,
Starting point is 00:34:26 it wasn't something consistent for Arizona, right? They lost Kyla Murray, Jacobi Burset takes over, and Marvin Harrison gets hurt. Yeah, he had his breakout in week 11. And so if you look at from week 11 on, which is, that's a large chunk. He had the second most points behind Pooka and Akua. He had more than JSN. There you go. He had more than Amin Ra, more than George Pickens,
Starting point is 00:34:52 everybody. Only Pooka Nakua outscored him from his breakout on, which we felt every week he was awesome on film. He looked great. He was open. He was fast. He was physical. He did everything you want. 50-50 when it was contested and he'd come down with it. He came down with it. I mean,
Starting point is 00:35:12 across the board was great. I hope that we do not as a community overreact to it because I've brought this up in the past. But what happened towards the end of the year when Kyler came out and the defense. I mean, a lot's been made about the injuries to the 49ers and how far they went. The Cardinals were right there with him with total injuries, especially on the defensive side, as far as lost games from starters. And Jacoby Brissette was on pace to throw the ball 700 times. So yeah, if the market share, even if he stays at the market share that he had, you're not throwing the ball 700 times. Marvin Harrison missed five of the seven weeks.
Starting point is 00:35:52 that Michael Wilson was awesome. So this was not a precedent for the future, but not exactly Travis Folgham either. Kyle, it's not going to be a, Michael Wilson's not going to be deleted after a breakout. I wonder where he's going an underdog right now. So Kyle, give me that.
Starting point is 00:36:11 That is so. It won't be high. Okay. Well, I mean, it's one of those things that is, it's so funny because this is a player that it's all about value to me. I believe he is a very good wide receiver. He's going 77th.
Starting point is 00:36:24 Wait, no, that's wrong. No, no, no. That's wrong. He's going at positional rank 30. So he's going at wide receiver 30, right around pick 70, overall, an 80p. Yeah, that's not the highlight, though. And he is going three wide receiver spots in front of Marvin Harrison, Jr. Oh, baby.
Starting point is 00:36:43 Get wrecked. Get wrecked, Marvin. Oh, my gosh. Spread them. Spread them. I got a kick for you. Get out of here. Oh, I hope.
Starting point is 00:36:56 Oh, I hope that happens next year when draft season. How do you, I mean, Marvin has never shown any sort of sealing like these seven games. Oh, man. That's the problem. That's unbelievable. He is. I got you good. For three spots ahead of Marvin Harrison.
Starting point is 00:37:20 Yeah. For the record, our Slack Channel, apparently. as an automatic gift that presents itself. If you write, if you write, spread them. I did not know that. Which Kyle chose to write. And it is perfect. Just a kick in the nards.
Starting point is 00:37:33 Just a kick. Look, would you draft? Here's the weird thing. Help me with the, I would rather have Marf. Help me with the intellectual inconsistency of that, though. Okay. Here's the argument. This is, because I understand exactly, everyone's going to say that.
Starting point is 00:37:48 I'd rather have Mark. And you want to know why? You want to know why you're going to say it. You're going to say it because, man, he's got the potential to put up half a season like Michael Wilson just did. We've never seen it. Michael Wilson did the ceiling. He might do that. Michael Wilson didn't go out and give you Cortland Sutton wide receiver 15, 16, 17, sometimes scored.
Starting point is 00:38:06 He went out and did more than Harrison would ever be able to do. If Michael Wilson had done what he did in the second half, he's the number two fantasy wide receiver? If Marv was on the field for when he did that, then absolutely that would be insane to think that he could do that. but why would Marv was gone? Why would Marlb be able to do it with Michael Wilson on the field? You don't ask that. My point is that I don't think Michael Wilson will do that with Marvin Harrison on the field because I think Marvin Harrison will be the wide receiver one in targets.
Starting point is 00:38:34 It's a real question. Why? Why should he be? Draft capital expectations. All those things are real. They are real. Yeah, but this is a new coach. Yeah, new coach is coming in.
Starting point is 00:38:45 They were real for a lot of first round wide receivers that haven't. Keon Coleman should be first round draft pick No, Keon was first No, he was. He was the first pick of the second round.
Starting point is 00:38:56 Okay. Did you? How dare you, Mike? Did you just get a fact? You check and your response was Okay. Yeah, you shamed the truth.
Starting point is 00:39:07 That was awful. That's so stupid. The truth. Who was the Minnesota top ten pick? Treadwell. Treadwell. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:19 I mean, How about Kevin White? Who's his dad? His dad doesn't matter. It does, man. No, his dad hurt him at this point. It hurt our pick. I'm on Andy's side of, especially when you factor it.
Starting point is 00:39:31 This is a new coach that will come in. And sure, he'll be excited. They're like, oh, Marv was drafted number four. He was drafted number four two years ago. He still has done nothing. But on my team, I got a tight end. Maybe the best tight end in all football. And then I got this guy over the second half.
Starting point is 00:39:49 who was a top five wide receiver. This is, look, I understand, I'm arguing for the sake of arguing. I understand everything that you're saying. It's just, I don't think that there's a real logical pathway that it makes more sense for Marv to do what he's never done than it does for Wilson to do what he has done. It's all I'm saying. For a long period of time.
Starting point is 00:40:10 The logical path is simply the fact that in the first 10 weeks when they all played together, Michael Wilson was on pace for 70 targets versus 114 for Marv, who was the one. Now, Marv might not be better than Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson maybe should usurp Marv in the pecking order of targets. And maybe that will absolutely happen. New coach comes in. They'll probably finish 30 and 33. Yeah, I mean, right where they're being drafted.
Starting point is 00:40:38 That's probably what's going to happen. Seventh-most first-read targets among all wide receivers for Michael, wide receivers for Michael Wilson, won't see that run again as long as people are healthy and the number one target is Tray McBride. We'll take a break. We'll talk more whiteouts. All right.
Starting point is 00:41:03 Let's have the conversation. Oh, man. A.J. Brown came in at 14. Devante Smith at 21. E. A.G. L.E.S. A.J. Brown consistency of 14. Devante Smith, consistency of 39. Honestly, this was a bad year for Devante Smith.
Starting point is 00:41:26 It was a bad year for the Eagles offense. I mean, Hurtz. They basically, just for context, AJ Brown and Devonzie Smith put up the exact same numbers. That's basically almost identical numbers. AJ Brown had three touchdowns more than Devonte Smith. And also games played is different.
Starting point is 00:41:42 You're right. Yep. I mean, he missed, AJ Brown missed a couple games. But from a fantasy truth perspective, consistency in the first half, 28 for Devonte Smith, 36 for AJ Brown. That hurt everybody in fantasy with those guys being outside the top 25 inconsistency. Second half, AJ Brown, we said talked about it on the show as a trade four
Starting point is 00:42:03 target. He ends up at eight. Yeah, because he talked enough where they started throwing him the ball and losing games. I mean, down the stretch, they went three and four in their last seven games when AJ Brown started becoming the wide receiver five, one, 12, 17. You know, more not causation, more correlation, but it's still a funny thing to look at and just be like, they want a lot more games when AJ Brown was not the focal point of their offense. Great games for Brown were 20%. Devante Smith great games? Six percent. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:39 Good games 40% for Brown, 29% for Smith. Bust games. 59% for DeVante Smith. You're talking about under seven and a half points killed you. type of games. What do you make of that? Man. What we need to discuss
Starting point is 00:42:58 is really what happened with Dallas Goddard, how he became such an important passing target that hadn't been really prior. That feels like they messed something up. Yeah, I mean, well, obviously they fired their offensive
Starting point is 00:43:14 staff. They brought in genius superstar quarterback Sean Mannion. And so I don't know what he's going to do. You ever put the wrong pieces together on an IKEA furniture and you end up with something different than you wanted to do? Yeah, the shelves backwards. All of a sudden you pull out the drawer and there's a Dallas Goddard right there
Starting point is 00:43:30 and you meant it to be an AJ Brown. We've all been there. I don't know what that analogy even was. Goddard had 11 receiving touchdowns. Good night. Just to remind people. Good night. They couldn't run the ball.
Starting point is 00:43:43 They couldn't play action the same way. I mean. Yeah, I mean, the question is, is was it system or was it, quarterback because there are the debates. People say that the system has to be dumbed down for Jalen Hertz. That Jalen Hertz can't run these complex motion systems. It doesn't jive with his skill set. And we've heard this multiple times. That's one argument. On the other argument on the other side is he's gotten to the Super Bowl twice. He's looked great. He's put up great passing numbers, great rushing yardage. When he's got, you know, Kellyn Moore, when he's got an offensive coordinator that gets it
Starting point is 00:44:18 done, all of a sudden the offense is chugging and Sequin Barclay's the number one running back in all the football. So there was also the Lane Johnson very important injury for that stretch of lost games. That's probably much more on lane than it is on AJ Brown. Goddard's a free agent. If you're the Eagles, if you're the Eagles, do you just I know they're not a patient franchise, but do you just chalk that up to our offense just got out of sync, let's run this thing back?
Starting point is 00:44:45 Because all last year we got talk of AJ Brown leaving. and being unhappy. Like you know going into this season is Philadelphia, you have two choices. You can build your offense to be more around AJ Brown so he's happy, or you can have a mad AJ Brown in the locker room. Those are your two choices. I think they will look to move AJ Brown.
Starting point is 00:45:03 That's where the Devante Smith, AJ Brown dynasty question gets interesting to me. It's because I look at that ranking and I say, I don't think AJ Brown's, he's either on this team for one more year or no more years. I could also see AJ Brown pulling a Brandon Marshall, though. and going and dominating at an older age for another team. When he goes somewhere, he's going to be that squeaky wheel demanding the ball.
Starting point is 00:45:27 And, you know, if he gets a gunslinger. He's still just, I mean, he's 28. He's on the older side, but not that old. But Smith is 27. He's going to say it's only a one-year age gap there. Oh, man, you don't think that because Smith is so small. And like you're small. He's still growing, right?
Starting point is 00:45:43 And then you grow up and you become an AJ Brown. Right? Yeah, I mean, what's the years played difference? So Smith has played five. Wondale Robinson's only like 15 years old. So Brown has played seven years. Darnel, Darnel, Washington. Of the two, I'm still going to prefer A.J. Brown.
Starting point is 00:46:06 He could still take over a game where I feel like things just kind of have to break right for Smith on the way that the game is unfolding. Well, we did talk about the lack of the big play. And Devante Smith, that's a big part of him being valuable for your fantasy team. Not a lot of teams could get that done. Teteroa McMillan comes in at 15. Consistency rank of 20. Somehow, 20, despite a 27 in the first half, 23 in the second half. I mean, this is probably going to be a rookie of the year.
Starting point is 00:46:39 Teteroa McMillan, the totals, 70 for 10, 14, and 7. Not as much opportunities you would have liked him to have. Correct. But pretty much showed his physicality and ability to dominate whenever he had those opportunities. So I think you look at this season. What was the numbers for, give me Marv's rookie year? Marv was like 700. I thought he was like 808.
Starting point is 00:47:07 I just wanted to see the differentials between those two because you had more touchdowns than Teterrault did. Teddaro and McMillan, the year, having him on your fantasy squads, I don't think he didn't feel fantastic. He came through with enough spike games that it was definitely worth it. I mean, you put up. Did he meet your expectations? I would say he slightly below. Marr maybe a little bit below. Marv was 885 and 8 in his rookie season.
Starting point is 00:47:37 There's not that many rookie wide receivers to hit 1,000 yards. This was a really good rookie season from Tet. What it wasn't was it wasn't the sensational breakout. Brian Thomas, neighbors, Pooka, Jefferson. It's all the really good one. The breakout superstars. You take, I mean, there's just not that many of those guys.
Starting point is 00:47:59 This is more of the Drake London plan. Yeah. Is what it felt like. Because I think you guys love Drake London's tape instantly. Didn't get the numbers accumulating. But it's come over time as the team in the offensive. it's gotten better. That's a great comp. But if you want to look deeper into that, Drake London rookie year, 866 yards and four touchdowns. So Teteroa had a much better, much better rookie season
Starting point is 00:48:22 than Drake London, who we know is a great player. Tataroa showed to me he's a great wide receiver. He is what we hoped. He is what the Panthers hoped. I think this could be as much a Bryce Young problem as it is a Teteroa problem. And so I'm going to bet on the talent of a position that can be so rewarding. I'm very in on Tetaroa. Yeah. And it's 70, wait, what was he? Like 70, 1007 or so?
Starting point is 00:48:51 I mean, to do that with that offense and Bryce Young, especially when you had, you know, spots of the season where, like, the team was like, no, it's Rico Dowdell. I mean, the Rico Dowdell weeks, what did McMill even doing those? Right. I'm not. I miss remember.
Starting point is 00:49:09 Maybe McMillan. had an okay game, but like, you have two games where, where Rico Dattle's rushing for like 200 yards a game. Yeah, that was weeks five and six. So week, so week five was, he still put up 10 points. And then week six, he was, he put up 16 points. He had two touchdowns. It was not a, a huge output day, but he, he had the tuddies. Wondale at 16. Another surprise. Wondale at 16. Oh, man. This, this is like, this is why I'm excited for DART and neighbors next year. 29th inconsistency, or sorry, 21st inconsistency.
Starting point is 00:49:48 Sorry, Mike, go ahead. Let's say, Dart carried Wondale Robinson to being a top 20 fantasy wide receiver. Like, this is very exciting. 92 for 10, 14, and 4. Neighbors out early in the season. 13% great, 38% good, 44% bus games. Wondale's the weirdest because some days he just looks like he could dominate. Well, it was against bad teams as well.
Starting point is 00:50:17 I mean, the bottom 16. Yep. In his six games there, he averaged 16.45 fantasy points per game against the top half defenses. It was seven fantasy points a game. Wide disparity. He obviously benefited from neighbors being done. He showed that he can do it. I'm going to get targeted.
Starting point is 00:50:34 I'm going to give it all to Wondale. I'm not going to give it beneficial. sure he's done it two years in a row he's done it two there's only three wide receivers of 140 targets and 90 receptions in each of the last two years jemar chase armon ross st brown and wandale i'm just giving the credit to wondale robinson i'm with he's a baller if you do it two years in a row and every year we have to be like he only did it because of i mean he's just going to find a way to that's like alman ross story can i ask you from his rookie year what you think his consistency grade is on this season oh it's got to be i mean it's got to be giants level
Starting point is 00:51:08 That's got to be a D. You're right. It's a D. He helped you 35% of his game. So he is an accumulator, and I'm proud of him. I'm proud of the little guy. Yeah, I mean, when did Dart takeover? We had Russ this year.
Starting point is 00:51:21 We started with Russ. We also had somebody else. But also one of his big games was with Russ. Had some James. Yeah, look, you're trying to take away from a guy. I'm proud of the little guy. And what he's done? I'm proud of him. And I'm just telling you he did it two years in a row.
Starting point is 00:51:35 He did big boy stuff. Oh, my gosh. Two years in a little guy. a row. That's why I'm so proud. T. Higgins would never play this many games in a row. No, that's true. He's got bad meat. He had more top 12 finishes. Just like Devanta Smith. He had more top 12 finishes than T. Higgins, more than Cortland Sutton. Wondale is good. Yeah. Wondale is a good player. Wondale is good. He has. It's why he plays in the NFL. He also has had some people calling plays for him in the past.
Starting point is 00:52:08 where they're, they had clearly pigeonholed him into a role, and they felt like he couldn't do something else. Like go downfield? Right. And then this year, I feel like it happened just multiple times. Like, oh, holy crap. Second rounder Jason. That's Wondell Robinson.
Starting point is 00:52:25 Wondell Robinson. I'm going to be honest here, because the jokes of just being proud of this little guy, because this is 58-185. Yeah, it's got Andy Isabella in the back of your mind. Go on. He is good. You know, when they started using him, in the middle areas of the field.
Starting point is 00:52:41 You know, it's like either, for so long, it was either just like go run and do nothing or get a screen behind the line of scrimmage. Giants expected to resign him too. Yeah, I think Mike is excited about Dart appropriately if neighbors and Scataboo can come back healthy. This is an offense. I'd love Wando to be back.
Starting point is 00:53:00 So how I'm talking about he was used incorrectly. Do you understand how staggeringly crazy similar his numbers are from this year and last year. This year, last year, 140 targets apiece. This year, 92 catches last year 93. He caught 66% of his passes in both seasons. Give me his yards last year. 600 something? 699. Yeah, I knew it. Seven and a half yards per completion. And now 1,000. This year, 1,11 yards. Because they let him go down the field. I mean, he's way better. That's egregiously bad coach. Dude, let him run. Rundale. Rundale Robinson. Also, let's go.
Starting point is 00:53:37 Also, while I, you know, give props to the little guy, he is tough as nails, man. That's such a backing. I know, I know. It really is. I'm just having fun here. I'm just having fun here. The actual compliment here is he took some shots across the middle, down the field. Didn't get tuckered out?
Starting point is 00:54:00 No, he didn't. Yeah, it's fun, isn't it? It's fun. Oh, we got to blitz some of these. Drake London. Drake London, his season was marred by injury. This is a perfect truth show player. 17th in fantasy finish is what you're going to see.
Starting point is 00:54:18 When you come back to fantasy football or you're reacclimating to the fantasy finish, his consistency was nine. Drake London is a top ten guy. Absolutely. He was good with cousins. He was good with Pinnix. You're fine. Drake London is a great player.
Starting point is 00:54:30 He's the clear number one for a team without a number two. And he won't go late in drafts, But he might go a few picks too late because it wasn't a continuous domination season, because of the change at quarterback, because of the missed games. Just something to pay attention to. Oh, he's entering year five, Kyle? So he's about to get paid. Yeah, he's about, there's no way.
Starting point is 00:54:53 He's not even 25 yet. Yeah, entering year five, he will be. He's way up there in the dynasty rankings, man. He'll get his fifth year option. Well, they would have already had to pick that up. I'm saying he'll get an extension. Yep. And he'll get at this. He'll get it this offseason.
Starting point is 00:55:08 Diggs, insanely at 18. Consistency rank of 26. I mean, Stefan Diggs felt sort of like... Mostly irrelevant for a lot of the year. I mean, like you said, his consistency rank of 26th. This is sometimes when we're looking at this,
Starting point is 00:55:25 now we're getting to the place where the guys that surprise are the guys that played 17 games. Diggs played the whole year, so at the end he accumulated more on a points per game basis. Obviously, he didn't do what some of the other guys. Would you have rather played digs all year or Abuka, who comes up next at 19? Abuka, consistency of 36, first half was 16, second half 43.
Starting point is 00:55:48 I would choose. Don't look at the back half of the year on our consistency charts. It's gross. If I had to lock one of them in all year long, I would choose Diggs, who went off in 16 and 17 for the championship. I don't have to look to see how Ibuka did in the playoffs, I know that was in the second half of the year, where Ibuka was
Starting point is 00:56:07 second half ranked 43 in consistency. I mean, he's a horribly difficult player to rank in Dynasty. Man. Because it's not about whether... I think Abuka's good. It's just you have a lot of players there right now. He was holding a breath away from the 101 in Dynasty startups. Like, early this season...
Starting point is 00:56:26 At some point. During the hot run, it was like, this is... I think it was right when Papa Josh acquired him in... dynasty wasn't that didn't you don't you have him but i don't even want to talk did he get it was the worst timing imaginable dude at least you didn't have to at least you didn't have to play him in the playoffs by high that's very true that's right right by high is what they say um you know who was one spot better than a mecca buca and consistency in the second half of the season uh oh a mecca abuka wider's here 43 wider see 42 inconsistency
Starting point is 00:57:01 second half say jalen macmillan just Justin Jefferson. Oh, no. That's another. Let's finish with that. Yeah. Because he came in at 25. Ouch.
Starting point is 00:57:13 27th in consistency. Eighth in the first half. Forty second in the second half. Look, you can say anything you want about what you believe about. Oh, my gosh. About J.J. McCarthy. But the proof is in this man's Hall of Fame stats. I mean, Justin Jefferson, if he doesn't perform, it's not his fault.
Starting point is 00:57:33 That is the position I will take. He played all 17. games. Well, does that add up to 0% great games? Let me check. Yep. Yep. You would think that a randomly thrown pass. I would think that if you went out there, you could get him one. Was it David Blow that threw that random
Starting point is 00:57:52 deep bomb to Gala Day on Thanksgiving? I believe so, yeah. I mean, just do, I mean, how did he not get one of those? Nine. He had more bus games than good games, percentage-wise. Yeah, he crushed people. I mean, it... Do you really want J.J. McCarthy there, Mike? You're a Minnesota guy. Do you want him there?
Starting point is 00:58:12 I still believe that J.J. McCarthy will turn out and be okay. You're not just... Do you want somebody great behind him for a quick... Yes, he needs to be challenged. Also, turn out to be okay, it's not a high enough bar. I feel like I...
Starting point is 00:58:29 As in like the career, the career will be okay. J.J. McCarthy is my scuba tank that I was happy to have on as I went scuba diving. and I went down and instead of being filled with air, it was filled with lead. So I'm diving deep and I've got no oxygen. And I got to figure out when do I take this thing off
Starting point is 00:58:46 and try to get to get to the surface. I was trying to figure out how that tight. I get it. You take it off. Yeah. So you can breathe. I'm going to try to swim. On account of JJ McCarthy,
Starting point is 00:58:56 the people need to hear this. Jefferson finished at 25 this year with a consistency rank of 27. Take your... You will finish higher next year. Take your time machine and tell me the numbers. For next year? Yes.
Starting point is 00:59:07 Jefferson's fantasy finish. If he has JJ McCarthy as the starting quarterback. Just whatever you think happens in Minnesota. So where did he finish this year? 25. It's definitely going to be better. I'll say top.
Starting point is 00:59:21 Better not have a one in front of it. It will. Oh, man. It will. Well, I'm trying to work my way through it. I don't want to just be like, he's a top five guy. I mean, the top 15 will happen. It's tough.
Starting point is 00:59:35 top 10 is still in play. He's being drafted as Justin Jefferson. Right now in Best Ball, he is the wide receiver eight. He's being drafted that way in Dynasty, too. And it's... He's the wide receiver eight in best ball? Yeah, right now. Goodness.
Starting point is 00:59:51 I can see it. Yeah, I could too. If they trade for a quarterback, if they get Kyler Murray or someone, I could see it. But with JJ there, I will be... The weird thing is they won their last five games in Jefferson was 79, 77. 26th, and 52. That defense. That defense was great.
Starting point is 01:00:09 Yeah, it was very good. I mean, the McCarthy year, you forget how much time he actually missed. I mean, he missed nine games. My, maybe I'm doing the math wrong. Five, six, seven. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm trying to go really fast, Jason. I'm back to an advanced math over here.
Starting point is 01:00:32 One plus one is two, plus one is three, plus one. One is far. I'm having so many conversations in my head at the exact same time. He had a couple of good games at the end. Yeah, please. He had a couple of good games at the end. It was last two games. I know.
Starting point is 01:00:48 It was Washington and Dallas. Then he got hurt. Oh, Dallas. Yes, Dallas really, really proven their worth there. He gets hurt the next week. And then the final week of the season, if you remember, that was the, there's no way he's coming back. It's going to be, uh, oh, gosh, now the backup, his name is escaping me.
Starting point is 01:01:08 Was that Brosmer? Yes, Brozmer. So, also in some of these Jeff Jefferson games is Brosmer. Oh, yeah. Before I shut it down. Don't just crap on McCarthy. Yeah, before he shut it down, last player to just throw out there, because he was consistency rank of four, and I want to remember that going into next year. Four seems high. Four seems high, but he was, because we don't penalize the games that you
Starting point is 01:01:32 don't play in, was Rushie Rice. Rushie Rice was the consistency rank of four in the first half consistency rank of number one. He was great. Another really difficult dynasty player to rank. Because you're right. The numbers for him when he was on the field, unbelievable. Why does she were 11, 2, 13, 6 and 3 and 5 of the 8 games? Is Kelsey back?
Starting point is 01:01:56 Does it matter if he's back? I mean, Kelsey was there for those. Rishi Rice, that's what I mean. Okay, let's say Kelsey is completely out. Now, what does that do? Is that better or is that worse for Rashid Rice? I might be bad. I think it might be neutral or, I mean, I think if he's out there and all the exterior,
Starting point is 01:02:14 all the externals are not considered. I mean, he's been targeted on 30% of his routes. He has Patrick Mahomes. He has Andy Reid. Only Puka and Malik neighbors have been targeted on a higher percentage of his routes when he plays. It's been a couple of years of him not playing all the games. But yes, I'm glad you brought him up.
Starting point is 01:02:32 That way the last player we talked. talked about didn't have to be D.K. McCaff at 26. So we won't talk about D.K. McHoff today. Oh, no. And we won't talk about wide receivers anymore. So champion. League of Record champion. Thursday, we'll be back.
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