Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast - Top 10 QB Rankings + Listener League is Back! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/4

Episode Date: August 4, 2025

Fantasy Football show for Aug 4, 2025. It’s go time! QB Rankings and debates for the 2025 fantasy football season, as we kick off five episodes a week! Find out which QBs are worth reaching for in f...antasy football drafts, and who to pass on. Plus, a big announcement, and the latest news out of training camp. Manage your redraft, keeper, and dynasty fantasy football teams with the #1 fantasy football podcast.2025 ULTIMATE DRAFT KIT + Draft Analyzer available now at UltimateDraftKit.com(00:00) Intro(08:45) NFL News(21:35) Top 10 QB Rankings Countdown(27:30) Baker Mayfield (32:58) Dak Prescott(36:25) Kyler Murray(41:00) Patrick Mahomes(43:29) Bo Nix(47:05) Jayden Daniels(50:48) Joe Burrow(52:43) Jalen Hurts(54:50) Josh Allen (58:43) Lamar Jackson(1:00:41) Sleeper QBsConnect with the show:Subscribe on YouTubeVisit us on the WebSupport the ShowFollow on XFollow on InstagramJoin our Discord

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Fantasy Footballer Studio is sponsored by Walmart. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. Welcome in! Monday August 4th. That's right Andy. It's a Monday and the Fantasy Footballers Podcast is here. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, from here on out.
Starting point is 00:00:52 Every day, some extra action on Sundays. As the NFL season gets kicked off, we have been inundated with, what is it, like Family Day, inter-squad scrimmage, highlight films, or low-light films. Highlight films? Well, it depends if you've watched Caleb Williams. Oh, that was...
Starting point is 00:01:16 I think I might be worried now. Just from that clip? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you haven't seen the clip, hook in. All of last year as well. Well, right. Well, this is what, so this is what I was talking about earlier in the offseason. When I came in, I first added Caleb Williams for the UDK. I was very bullish. I loved everything around him, the offensive line, the weapons, Ben Johnson. And then after I did that, I went and I watched every
Starting point is 00:01:39 throw of his and I went. And I was slow to accept your words. Now, the truth is, I wanna know what clip you're talking about, because there's more than one. Oh, I'm talking about the- Which one, the rolling out right? No. Oh, are you talking about throwing into the net? Well, attempting to throw into the net, and then missing two thirds of his balls didn't hit the,
Starting point is 00:02:01 the like, the target, didn't hit the whole net, the entirety of the net. I mean, he was really mad, and then like, here's the thing that I kinda hit the whole net, the entirety of the net. He was really mad and then like, here's the thing that I kinda got to on that, like there's still obviously tremendous amount of potential there for the Bears off. For sure. I think I minimized some initial negativity around Caleb Williams earlier in the off season
Starting point is 00:02:21 because it was like, oh it's a play here, a play there. I even tweeted this last weekend about how annoyed I am with camp Twitter, right? Like every other refresh of my Twitter feed is, JJ McCarthy is a bust that is horrible, who throws only interceptions to the next refresh, Hall of Famer looks like Mahomes, he can't stop making great passes, his arm looks great.
Starting point is 00:02:44 And so that was annoying me. And so I kind of dismissed the Caleb Williams thing, but then here's where I got to this weekend. I think the way I'm translating camp news and information is that I'm willing to accept good becomes better, or good becomes a little bit worse, but I don't know if I'm willing to accept bad becomes good. Right, I don't think you can prove that this time of year.
Starting point is 00:03:09 I don't, that's it. I don't know. You can only prove that on the NFL field in real games. Yeah, like I'm fine with, look, Tank Bigs, be getting all the work, maybe he looks really good. Okay, he was pretty good, now he's better. I'm down with that, but I don't know if I'm willing to accept any non-NFL regular season game
Starting point is 00:03:24 to prove bad becomes good. And Caleb was more on the bad side as a rookie than he was good. And yet. So the question is, can you accept bad stays bad? Yes. There's been a lot of Quentin Johnson drops. I mean, he's had some highlights,
Starting point is 00:03:38 but he's also had a lot of drops. No, he's definitely had a lot of highlights, yeah. But I mean, I think he's a confusing player to begin with because he's gonna get a ton of work. He did do stuff on the field last year for the Chargers that was valuable, scoring. Yeah, I mean he had touchdowns, but they brought in a lot of pass catchers that are-
Starting point is 00:03:57 Yeah, I mean Keenan Allen could arrive there. We got so much to talk about. Today we've got a two-man show, if you didn't notice. Jay Grizz in the house, go ahead, go ahead, Al. I'm sure you've got a two-man show, if you didn't notice. Jay Gris in the house. Go ahead, go ahead Al. I'm sure you've got it ready over there. Mike will be back tomorrow for the Ice and Fire episode, which is a fan favorite and one of our favorite shows. But yeah, it was appropriate. Jay Grizz gets his song once August begins. Couple of headlines before we get into it.
Starting point is 00:04:29 We got a top 10 quarterback show today. We got mailbag if we have some time. We've got a big announcement to make. We've got news to talk about. And we've got the Ultimate Draft Kit, which is available right now at ultimatedraftkit.com. If you got the UDK Plus, you get the draft analyzer. It's gonna break down your team and your opponents
Starting point is 00:04:47 in your league and give you a grade based on all of your different position groups, tell you where to focus. We've got all of our player projections, 100 plus player profile videos, sleepers, breakouts, busts, and values. A lot of you have been a part of the UDK family for a long time.
Starting point is 00:05:02 We're also adding the Value Scout tool today. We're adding it today. I just found that out. Yes, we're adding it today. So by the time you listen to this, hopefully it will be live and ready for action in the app. We have iOS and Android app and then on the web as well. You can learn more about the UDK at ultimatedraftcare.com.
Starting point is 00:05:25 Make sure you're ready for your draft. We are five days a week, as you said. We also have a special August mini series that is on YouTube exclusively, youtube.com slash The Fantasy Footballers. Every Saturday we'll be doing a deep dive on some of our research processes and some various tips for you to check out.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Yeah, I mean it really truly is getting to where we are pretty much every single day of the week because our Saturday special is coming out, our Sunday live here in a couple weeks. We're just the content machines, you know? Yes, yes, we plug into the Matrix and produce content all the time thanks to this awesome team that we've got. And here's the announcement. Mr. Moore, we get to do this one without Mike. Yeah. The listener league.
Starting point is 00:06:21 Just how we play in the listener league as well. It's like, you know, Mike's usually straggling behind in the leaderboard, we're all making the playoffs. Is that what you call the standings in our listener league? The leaderboard? That's what I call it. You call it the leaderboard? I call it the leaderboard.
Starting point is 00:06:37 You're doing okay this morning? You know what? It is morning shows now, Jason. First morning show in a long time. I did have a coffee, at a very large coffee. I'm a top leaderboard in my league. Have you won the championship in the Listener League? No.
Starting point is 00:06:49 Oh, okay. Well, I've won twice. I've won twice, so. Don't come at me for morning. That's a leaderboard now. Anyways, if you want to join our Listener League, we are opening up submissions right now. One week.
Starting point is 00:07:02 We accept it only for this week, and we're only gonna talk about it right now. One week. We accept it only for this week and we're only going to talk about it right now, so listen up. It's listenerleagueatfantasyfootballers.com. That's where you're going to email your submission. If you make a cool video, you do something cool. It is always humbling and awesome to see the hundreds of requests and we will have a great year. Also, if you, for some reason, submit something awesome and you just don't make it in, because obviously we make it a 14-team league. Yep. Just so we can have more and more people in.
Starting point is 00:07:35 Three of us. We will have the Megaloboam coming out soon and if you win that, you're also in the Listener League. So lots of cool things. But if you want to play with us this year in our listener league we talk about on the show, send your submission to listenerleagueatfantasyfootballers.com. And since Mike's not here, I'll say what Mike usually says, which is don't send us this big, long. Don't give us your leaderboard resume, as Jason would say. Don't give us your stand.
Starting point is 00:08:03 How well you've done in all your leagues. Just send us something unique. Don't send us a two paragraph essay. We can barely read. We want cool people. We wanna play with fun people. So we've had really neat things over the years, videos, creativity.
Starting point is 00:08:20 This is where we met Brooks through the listener league. We met Brian Ketron, the biggest loser through the listener league. We met Brian Ketron, the biggest loser, through the listener league. We've had a lot of... So one week. Yeah, a lot of people part of this show through that. It's a good time. One more time, listener league.
Starting point is 00:08:35 If you win the listener league, you come back for the following year. That is right, listenerleagueatfantasyfootballers.com. Yep. All right, let's talk some news. News and notes from around the league. Yep. All right, let's talk some news. News and notes from around the league presented by progressive insurance. All right, we have James Cook now standing on business.
Starting point is 00:09:02 Business time for James Cook. He is not practicing Sunday, Monday due to business. He's got an injured business. Yeah, he has a sore business. We also got the word from Billy Bean, the general manager of the Bills, that he was blindsided by Cook's sudden opting out of practice. Blindsided? Well, he had been there. He had been there and practicing and all of a sudden one day he just goes, no, I'm not playing anymore. Okay. So it's not one of those like. Are you shocked that he's holding in?
Starting point is 00:09:31 Yes, in this form, yes. Not in, if you had told me he was gonna hold in and he had done that since the beginning of camp, a la Terry McLorin style or whatever, like, okay. But just randomly like being there and practicing and doing a bunch of stuff. He wanted to show them what they had and then be like oh yeah, you get a little taste? Exactly. Okay, okay. So yeah, James Cook wants money. That makes sense. He's due for a contract extension. I don't think it gets done.
Starting point is 00:10:02 This is, we talked about it on the dynasty show, that there are some contracts you have to just kind of project in dynasty. Like I think Kyron Williams deal will get done. I don't believe James Cook's will, but you know. By the way, I think I said Billy Bean, not the Moneyball GM. It's Brandon Bean for the bills. You see the bills, Brandon Bean for general manager. Okay. see the Bills, Brandon Bean for General Manager. Okay, I didn't correct you. You never seen Moneyball? I did. Yeah. Alright. Khalil Shakir week to week with a high ankle sprain. Not just him.
Starting point is 00:10:36 Josh Palmer. With groin injury. That depth chart there that was already. Yeah, is this your plan to get Keon Coleman more activity in the offense? I mean, it's kind of mean. It's good news for Keon Coleman for the opportunity. I still believe he's the only player there that has any chance of a breakout. I don't believe the breakout is going to happen but at least he has more opportunity to you know develop a rapport with Josh Allen. Elijah Moore is there, and honestly, if you're talking about Khalil Shakir,
Starting point is 00:11:09 that player would be more of an Elijah Moore type of. Curtis Samuel? Yeah, Curtis Samuel, although I believe he is currently injured as well. He's always injured. Yes, he is. Sean McVeigh, Matthew Stafford. This is getting scarier.
Starting point is 00:11:22 Is it scaring you? It is. Because the Rams, you know, he's been navigating a back injury again. The word from Camp seems to be like eventually he's gonna be back out there and playing. Right. I hope so.
Starting point is 00:11:39 Well, I mean, he hasn't been ominous from them other than the absence of Stafford, but he's a veteran. He's second oldest quarterback in football, I believe. You knew that he wasn't going to play any preseason. None of the Rams play preseason games, but they do really value their inter-team scrimmages, and Stafford is not taking part in those. And then there was the rumor, I'll call it a rumor, I didn't see any confirmed for sure report,
Starting point is 00:12:06 but it seemed like it was going around that he had another doctor visit. Like, and you just, you don't do that when you're in the recovery process that is expected and the timeline, like okay, we're just, he went to seek another doctor. So I'm getting a little scared. The last call from McVeigh, looking forward to getting him
Starting point is 00:12:27 and easing him back into football, hopefully in the near future. Yeah, there's a little worry there. Groinindex.com has been active. A week ago, we talked about like there was nobody on it. And I think we cursed some groins out there. Some groins are hurting. Tucker Craft, groin injury. Guess
Starting point is 00:12:45 he's been practicing through it. They gave him a couple days off. TJ Hawkinson, groin injury. Michael Pittman, groin city. Joshua Palmer was a groin. Terrence Ferguson, groin injury. Marshawn Lloyd, groin injury. This is man, people aren't stretching right. No, no, no, no. Do your runner stretch folks. AJ Brown. Is that the butterfly? Oh yeah, that would help the groin. Sorry about that. AJ Brown dealing with a hamstring injury.
Starting point is 00:13:11 He basically swapped spots with DeVonta Smith, who came back to practice. Like they both can't be back, so that's what it is. AJ Brown hamstring injury. A lot of soft tissue issues in the camp season, and that includes Cam Scadaboo, who aggravated his hamstring injury, but the MRI was optimistic as of this morning.
Starting point is 00:13:34 Now, fill me in here. Yes. I feel like when you get a hamstring injury, you don't always get an MRI. Like, oh, I pulled my hamstring, it's a little tight. I don't know for sure, not a doctor, not a team doctor, but do, like, every time a player pulls their hamstring a little, do they always go get an MRI to check?
Starting point is 00:13:56 Because when I saw this, and it's like, oh, the MRI was good, it was optimistic, it's like, wait a minute, he got an MRI? Like, this is a pretty serious hamstring injury. Yeah, I mean, I would imagine that not everyone that happens to, but it's how you grade them. So they probably, with the reaggravation, wanted to see how bad it is.
Starting point is 00:14:14 You got like a C plus? No, not quite, not quite. But yeah, I mean, I think he's, they're hoping to have him back. He's been making a lot of plays in camp. I love, here's one of the things. You're a big Scataboo fan. I am a huge Scataboo fan.
Starting point is 00:14:33 I think he's fantastic. And I believe that every analyst, when you watch the film in college, you're just like, wow, no one can tackle him. I mean, you look at his numbers and they are legitimately Christian McCaffrey-esque. The question was, can it translate? Can that play style work in the NFL?
Starting point is 00:14:54 Still to be determined, obviously, he hasn't played a game, but when you see these camp videos of him running away from NFL defenders, breaking NFL defender tackles when the pads go on. It's like, oh, okay, he looks like he's doing here what he did in college. What do you think the recipe is? This is one of the reasons why I have a little bit
Starting point is 00:15:14 of hesitation on my elite neighbors having a spectacular year is just that the recipe for me in New York doesn't involve throwing the ball as much as they did in previous years. I mean, what do you have, 170 targets or something like that? So it's like. And I believe that was with missed games.
Starting point is 00:15:35 Yeah, and so you're looking at a defense that looks pretty good, right? And then you've got a running game they're trying to develop with Tracy and Scataboo, and I wouldn't want Russell Wilson throwing it as much and so I just wonder if their recipe is not like touchdowns weren't a part of the neighbors equation it was massive massive massive target volume it just it leaves me a little bit like actually neighbors and Brian Thomas I have a little bit of hesitation on both of them
Starting point is 00:16:02 not because of talent but but because of situations. Like Travis Hunter has been unbelievable in Jacksonville. Do you have any worry about Brian Thomas? Because Travis Hunter, I mean, for a lot of reports, is the best wide receiver in camp. I would say that- It's like, how do you bring that kind of a guy in there and not imp, I mean, they had no Kirk, no Ingram,
Starting point is 00:16:21 Thomas got all the volume, did Trevor Lawrence miss time when Thomas was the best like it gives me Brian Thomas has more worry because of Travis Hunter certainly Malik neighbors. I have Zero dot zero worry. I mean my worry meter on him is solo. You're right It was 170 targets with two missed games and they will definitely not want to throw as much But that's you know, are they a good team? Are they gonna be winning games? Are they gonna be losing games? The first half they're gonna try to establish it have a good defense run the ball But I remember when we were going through our our divisional breakdown
Starting point is 00:16:53 I believe they have like very few games this season where they're even favored and so By the end of the game They're gonna need to throw the ball a lot when they do there's no one to throw the ball to other than Malik neighbors Who had a 35% target share last year? That's that's the thing. It's like obviously I think neighbors is One of the best talents in the game I guess I just mean like our Brian Thomas and Malik neighbors in contention for you and finish in top three because sometimes in your when you're taking these players because wherever neighbors is going wide receiver 7 or something and Brian Thomas I think I'm ranked lower than you guys, but are they still top three finisher contention for you?
Starting point is 00:17:30 For sure. I think Brian Thomas is a little bit more capped, but I think Malik Neighbors is just that dude. I mean, you want to talk camp highlights, right? Like you see so many dumb things coming out of camp. You know, like, oh, look, he's making touchdowns look easy when he's literally in one-on-ones or no defender. It's, you know, silly videos. But then you watch... I am seeing so many different touchdown celebrations
Starting point is 00:17:58 and touchdown scores and toe-tap touchdowns and touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown from elite neighbors in camp. And they're not all coming in like red zone drills. He is special, he's just so good. I'm looking at this, cause I wanna look points per game cause he missed time last year. He was eighth in points per game on 170 targets.
Starting point is 00:18:17 So like from a target perspective, you see the differential between like him and Chase had the same amount of targets basically but Chase had 17 touchdowns he had seven. I mean it's just like they're not I mean like you said they're gonna be down but that doesn't mean that that also means they're not gonna score a lot of points it just makes me wonder if that seven eight territory is kind of where he's gonna be. They are favorite I don't have any doubt that I mean I don't have any doubt that,
Starting point is 00:18:45 I mean, I don't have him ranked in the top three. I think he'll be closer to seven or eight this year because I don't believe he is going to have double digit touchdowns. But there is a world here, they're only favored in one game the entire season. How many games does Russell Wilson start? Well, that's another thing that's gonna happen.
Starting point is 00:19:02 They're gonna change quarterback. They're gonna change quarterbacks, but they really don't wanna bring Jackson Dart in. I mean that's their hope. Oh is this your Jamis story? Oh baby! Is this your Jamis story? Can you even fathom?
Starting point is 00:19:14 Jerry Judy was the wide receiver four in points per game with Jamis. Malik Nabors? Dude. Oh man. You love James Have we talked about Terry McLaurin requesting a trade have not I mean we have but we haven't on the show So not only him but Michael Parsons as well, but McLaurin is relevant to this situation here. He's formally requested a trade
Starting point is 00:19:38 It's not likely he'll be traded that feels like a threat like like Michael Parsons feels like I am NOT a cowboy anymore He came out and he'll be a public. He'll be Parsons feels like, I am not a cowboy anymore. He came out and posted publicly. He'll be a cowboy. I think he'll be a cowboy. We've been here. Trey Henderson. I mean, he's in camp now. Like he's, he requested a trade months ago.
Starting point is 00:19:54 It's very, very rare for these guys to get traded in these situations. Yes, it is. I mean, we saw, Paul Miller got traded in one of these situations. But I do think Micah Parsons leaves. Oh, I don't. But Terry McLaurin, I don't think anyone in the world believes is getting traded. If he
Starting point is 00:20:08 does, the implications are huge for Jayden Daniels, for Debo Samuel, for Zach Ertz. If he were to depart, that is going to massive fantasy. Yeah, that's just gonna hurt your Jayden Daniels upside a lot. Yeah, not that they don't have other players that I think and you know that are pretty talented and he can get a lot done With the legs and everything But that would suck. I mean you need a premier wide receiver Yeah, I would imagine the only way they traded him is if they were to go get another premium wide receiver That's younger, but then they're in a terrible spot to Washington like it. This is a 30 year old wide receiver that wants to break the bank. He wants DK Metcalf money. I would pay him DK Metcalf money
Starting point is 00:20:48 all front-loaded in the first two years of his contract. His per year should be astronomical. So he can be proud of it? So he can be proud of it. He can say he you know and get a lot of money but then he should have no money guaranteed three years from now. He's gonna be too old, and then you'll have to pay for Jayden. At least all indicators right now is they have no interest in trading him. So there you go. That was today's News and Notes,
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Starting point is 00:21:47 All right. We're counting down our consensus top 10 rankings at the quarterback position. We're looking at four point per touchdown rankings today. And it's, you know, it's always interesting diagnosing what quarterbacks you want to take a shot on. Do you want to spend the high draft capital? Where are you in this year 11 for the show? We've gone through some ebbs and flows on quarterback sentiment and where you want to take them and maybe a bunch of years of experiencing top tier versus the streaming situation.
Starting point is 00:22:24 What are you the most comfortable with going into 2025? Yeah, I think there's a few targets that I have on my quarterbacks this year, and it really, really depends draft by draft, because the average draft price of some of these players, like Josh Auhn, of course I'd love to have him. Lamar Jackson, be awesome for your fantasy team.
Starting point is 00:22:44 They're not, Jalen Hurts, Jaden Daniels, these guys aren't going to bust outside of getting injured. They're, so you're not going to be wasting your draft pick. However, there's massive opportunity cost. If Josh Allen is a second rounder, there's no way I'm taking him because if he does what he did last year, which was finished, I believe as the quarterback two, maybe even quarterback one, a few look points per game in that week 17 or week 18 taken out. But he didn't really win people fantasy championships because you sacrifice such a good player. However, in certain leagues, like in our leagues, you know, when we do our mock drafts on the show that are all humans and we're not just,'re not just mock drafting against animals and robots. Animals, oh, sorry.
Starting point is 00:23:26 You know, all of a sudden you start seeing some of these guys go down into the fourth round, the fifth round, that are the top tier quarterbacks. And at that point I'll absolutely pull the trigger. Once you get to the fourth round, I think that's worth pulling the trigger on the elite quarterbacks. And then outside of that I'm
Starting point is 00:23:46 Skipping and bypassing and getting a late one Some of the guys will talk about today. I think late round quarterbacks that run the ball hopeful upside from a Drake May a Kyler Murray and I this name has been cycling through I mean just a just a Twister of back and forth. Are you gonna say Anthony Richardson? I am gonna say Anthony Richardson. He needs to be drafted. So last offseason I spent most of the offseason telling you not to draft Anthony Richardson. Correct. You said get Jaden Daniels not Anthony Richardson over and over and over. But that you know he's a
Starting point is 00:24:18 what bothered me so much is he's a fifth round pick. Yeah and he's never proven anything. Right and so as you know that's not the cost the risk reward for Anthony Richardson at this point, so it is worth mentioning. Right now, Anthony Richardson's being drafted behind Matthew Stafford. He costs nothing. He doesn't even have to be your main quarterback. Just have him be your second quarterback. He could be your last pick in the draft if you ended up with a late round guy, like somebody
Starting point is 00:24:42 that you are taking a chance on. Maybe it's Jordan Love, Bo Nix, Kyler. Absolutely. And just drop him if he doesn't do anything or isn't the starter. 100%. But he's the one and only player that I think I would do that even if I took Lamar Jackson in the fourth. Just for value potential? Just because if he comes out week one and is awesome and he's just winning the job, you have an incredible trade asset in either guy. I mean, that's where you, you know, if you believe that it's gonna happen, then you trade your Lamar,
Starting point is 00:25:12 you trade your Josh Allen for a haul, and then you still have a good quarterback. One of the things that we pulled some data on since 2018, if you look at the top 10 quarterbacks as a group, 88% of their fantasy points come from throwing the football, 12% from running. If you go down to the top five, that goes to 85-15. If you look at the number one quarterback since 2018, it goes to 79-21 in terms of fantasy points come from running the
Starting point is 00:25:41 football. So you know the one thing I might take issue with your comments about Richardson on is the he if he's awesome because maybe he's not awesome for football but he's awesome for fantasy. Well that's what I know. I know it's just like he could be one of those guys that's mediocre as a you know as a NFL quarterback which I think he is but come out there and as long as he's a starter, he could give you some value. And if he's free, that's a lot different than the fifth round. And, you know, fifth round meant you were committing yourself to Richardson as your starter last year.
Starting point is 00:26:12 That was the problem too. It was like, you don't even get another choice. You're spinning such a high pick. Yeah. And it buries your season. I mean, if you, if you take a fourth, fifth, sixth round quarterback, you're now saying you're my starter. And if that player stinks for the first three or four weeks,
Starting point is 00:26:26 you're in a huge hole. I still believe- 45% of his fantasy points last year came on the ground. Yeah, I mean, he is- Have you seen him throwing? I still- 45% was also his completion percentage. This is a very, very difficult thing to say on the record
Starting point is 00:26:42 because it sounds dumb and I'm always willing to sound dumb. I still believe Anthony Richardson can develop into a good NFL quarterback, not just fantasy. I think he can actually become a good quarterback where five years from now, you know, he's just he's in the MVP race. The development has to happen now though. Oh for sure. It has to be in the next eight weeks. He's not gonna get, yeah, he's not gonna get two more years to keep trying. And it took Josh took Josh Allen what into his third season before he is that When he got Stefan Diggs second oh I thought it was a second or maybe he stepped up in fantasy in the second year and got got Diggs in the third year
Starting point is 00:27:17 I want to say it was the third year, but I mean that is not there are there are infinitely more Deshaun Keizers and Marcus Mario. There's one Josh Allen. There's one Josh Allen. So I don't want that to be the standard, but that can be the hope. We can do that. All right, let's kick it off.
Starting point is 00:27:34 Number 10, Baker Mayfield. Laser. All right, look, we have a humongous disparity in our personal rankings that I did not realize until this moment in time I Have him at six Jason at 13 Mike at 14 He was he's being drafted as the QB seven I Have said it and I guess I'll say it again. I am totally comfortable with seventh round Baker Mayfield every week starter Baker Mayfield
Starting point is 00:28:04 We've talked ad nauseum about our views on his history versus his recent history. I love him, Egbuka, you got Evans, Godwin, McMillan, Otten, White, Irving who had an impressive camp wheel route diving catch the other day, he can catch the football. Look I just love their offense. I love the new Baker. So it's the quarterback three last year, quarterback 10 the year before. Um, I see them right in the middle of that. That's why I got them at six. I don't think last year's touchdowns are going to be easily repeatable, but I do
Starting point is 00:28:36 think 35 ish is in the range of outcomes. And I just love the offense. So, um, you know, last year was very, very special. He was the third player in NFL history with 4,500 plus yards, 40 plus touchdowns and over a 70% completion percentage. It's magical. Like that is also like part of my ammo for the,
Starting point is 00:28:55 this is a different player than we saw early in his career because you just, you cannot accomplish that over 17 weeks with the Baker we saw the first three or four or five years in Cleveland and you know the Carolina camp and all of that so yeah it's a number 10 you know maybe we balance out yeah we do you know I've got him at number nine in six point passing that's right this is four point per passing touchdown because he's not a super mobile rushing quarterback last Last year, 378 rushing yards, that was awesome.
Starting point is 00:29:26 That's why he really propelled up to number three. But that is the outlier, and that is not a system thing. Like maybe he leveled up as a passer. He leveled up in this system. He's gotten used to his weapons in Tampa Bay. I can totally agree with the argument that as a passer, he's just better. He's not old Baker career stats, but there's no way that at this age he just leveled up as a passer, he's just better. He's not old Baker career stats,
Starting point is 00:29:45 but there's no way that at this age, he just leveled up as a rushing, he didn't rush more. He had more rushing attempts two years ago, and he's always been like 150, 160 yards, and all of a sudden he had 378, so many breakaway runs. That's not gonna repeat in my opinion. And so I also think, look,
Starting point is 00:30:05 Egbuka's awesome. He is, you know, I said I think he's the best wide receiver in this draft class, not necessarily for fantasy because I don't think he's got the Tet Macmillan type of upside, but just as far as like an NFL wide receiver, he is so good. But he's not as good as veteran Chris Godwin as a current rookie. And Chris Godwin might be hampered. So I don't know that the beginning of the year is really better weapons for Baker this year than last year. I think Ibuca could be the most productive rookie wide receiver. It's certainly possible. I actually believe it's possible. But one of the question marks around the team is a new
Starting point is 00:30:44 offensive coordinator They've come out and he's made comments about basically Small tweaks to an existing working system, which is what we've expected Baker ever had Baker's always had to deal with you ever had a the same coordinator two years in a row I genuinely don't know if he ever has I'm not sure if he has or not He might have but it was you know Probably a coordinator that should have been fired in Cleveland but he went from Canales to Cohen to Grizzard now who is making small tweaks to an established
Starting point is 00:31:12 offense. Is that how he prefers it? He prefers Grizzard? Yeah I think he prefers him. Yeah. But last year, I mean, fourth in points per game, third in yards per game, an amazing offense. And again, the chance you're taking with other quarterbacks is not the one that Baker represents. To me, he's not a huge risk. I would agree with that. I don't see him having a monumental upside,
Starting point is 00:31:40 so it's about where he is in the draft. You're comfortable grabbing him in the seventh round. I think I prefer some of the other players that are there. And I think I prefer some of the quarterbacks that go a little bit later than him. But I also do not believe that if you draft Baker in the seventh, that's going to like crush your ability to win in fantasy.
Starting point is 00:31:59 He's a good quarterback. He's going to be, you know, probably a low end quarterback one in six point passing touchdowns. Well, here's one last bit I want to mention because I'm looking at the consistency percentages in the UDK. So we have consistency charts that chart out players. We give you the consistency grades.
Starting point is 00:32:19 But the consistency percentages chart actually breaks down the percentage of time that a player finishes the week as quarterback one through six, seven through 12, right? So you look at that. Last year, there's only two players that did it 50% of the time. Lamar and him?
Starting point is 00:32:34 Lamar and Baker. The next closest is 38%, Burrow, Allen. He was so consistent. I mean, Jayden Daniels, just to give you perspective on how good of a year he had, because certain weeks were amazing, week-winning weeks. Jayden Daniels was 33% of the time
Starting point is 00:32:45 as the top six quarterback on a week. So that just speaks so much to what he was capable of doing. 50% of the time him and Lamar are the only ones. All right, moving on. Number nine, Dak Prescott. I love Dak Prescott this year, but I'm scared about the beginning. I'm, you know, I'm very confident that they won't be able to run the ball well. Exactly. But I'm not.
Starting point is 00:33:14 What if Micah Parsons is traded? That would be good for their offense. Yes. But their defense took a huge step back last year, and Dac obviously only played eight games He has not I guess he's played one full season in the last five Is that true? Yes. Yes. He played 16 games in 2021. Oh, okay. All right, so we'll call that a full season Okay, so he's played he's played a full season to he's the he's McCaffrey of the quarterback position, right? Sort of I mean really is two out of the last five years, he's been great for fantasy. Yep. Very helpful, help people win.
Starting point is 00:33:47 And the other three has been injured. That is it. That's identical to McCaffrey. Yeah, so, you know, he was a league winning quarterback in 2023. I hate that, because it was your quarterback. Yeah, it was great. And C.D. Lamb, George Pickens, Ferguson just signed
Starting point is 00:34:02 a new contract, Dallas plays faster in the last two years. They played very fast. Number five in plays per game, that matters. Seventh in red zone plays per game. Fifth in points per game. All of those things really matter. Now, the offensive line is not what it once was when Dak was kind of a perennial finisher.
Starting point is 00:34:22 I mean, part of getting hurt too is that protection on the offensive line. And I am worried about that. But just for the haters who think I hate Dallas, I mean, I've got Dak at seven and four point, that's the highest of the three of us. So, you know, that's how it should play out. But you are taking some risks with Dak from a health standpoint. And even the year year I want to mention this even the year in 2023 where he finished at quarterback three and won championships he was not startable at the beginning of that year. Oh no he that's what I mean he got off to such a bad start I think this
Starting point is 00:34:54 season is gonna be good but I worry about the start again this year he's got a brutal opening schedule. Philly in Philly the Giants and that defense Chicago and then Green Bay. Yeah and I believe it's one or two more weeks. I think it's the the Jets after that or that's from memory. I don't have the schedule in front of me. It's it's not good from a passing defenses scheduled to open the year, but I also think he has never been set up quite as well. Like George as his wide receiver too is a monstrous upgrade. It's really valuable to him to have someone else to open up the field to. He's a good quarterback. He's literally never not been a quarterback one without
Starting point is 00:35:34 a season-ending injury in his entire career. So I believe with a bad defense, no running game, and his you know upgraded receiving weapons, he's set up to succeed. I will say this though, if you look at last year, he was not gonna be a top quarterback. That's why he got injured, he's like, I gotta keep this. I was gonna say, that's a good way out, but it was a bad run.
Starting point is 00:35:58 I mean, he had a number one overall game against Baltimore in week three, but outside of that 22 15 11 12 28 18 22 and these are games against you know Atlanta New Orleans he was a middle of the pack so even with the I know George represents a lot to you guys but it was not with the offensive line issues I think you might have seen a little bit of a prequel last year that's my worry about him. Let's talk about somebody else we constantly worry about.
Starting point is 00:36:27 Number eight. Kyler. Kyler Murray. I hate talking about Kyler. Yes. Kyler. As a Cardinal fan. That's why. Kyler is, I would say, three years into, he's been frustrating for fantasy players for three straight years. Yeah. He sucked last year. He was the quarterback 10. He finished as the quarterback 10
Starting point is 00:36:48 But if you want if you had to watch him play football it was 20 in your heart maddening He was a c in consistency. He would have Great games look awesome. And then the next week it's like, I don't know man I don't know if it's the call of duty thing I i'm pretty worried about kyler because I don't I think the team learned a little bit of a recipe last year. Run the ball. And I think you know James Connor we didn't mention it in the news James Connor coming out talking about him and Trey Benson being RB ones together if you listen to the offensive coordinator
Starting point is 00:37:18 and head coach they don't seem to think that's the way it's gonna be but they are going to commit to the run they've got a defense that has a chance to take a step forward. And the one thing that concerns me, and this is somebody, you know, I like Marvin a lot this year for the value, but why do I worry about Marvin? I don't worry about Marvin for his talent, ability, route, running, physicality, any of it. I think Marvin is more than capable of a huge season. I worry about Kyler. I worry
Starting point is 00:37:46 about, you rarely see Kyler get into kind of that flow state as a quarterback and go back to back to back to the same wide receiver. It's been a while since we've seen that level of effectiveness. You can go back to Hopkins basically. He had it going with Hopkins, but it's been a minute. Yeah, it has. That being said, his draft price reflects the frustration of the last few years. He finished as the quarterback 10 last year in what we think was a bad year.
Starting point is 00:38:15 He didn't have a good receiving core, and obviously rookie Marvin Harrison wasn't ready. Rookie Marvin, or sophomore Marvin Harrison, looks pretty darn good in camp. He's bulked up in size. He's catching everything He's got McBride out there and so when you're telling me he's two rounds almost three rounds later than Baker Mayfield and He runs and and Kyler's been on the record this offseason saying he watched Lamar and he realizes he really needs to run the ball
Starting point is 00:38:40 More which is awesome for fantasy. You can see a path where Kyler could be a top five fantasy quarterback this year. He's already done it. A round and a half ahead of Baker. Round and a half ahead? Behind Baker. Behind, yeah. You said two or three rounds, I was just clarifying.
Starting point is 00:38:55 I see him at the 8'11", so like almost the ninth round. Maybe different ADP sources. So to me, the value on Kyler as a later quarterback who is mobile and if things click if he does run the ball more He's got the ability to like if Kyler as a Cardinal fan We have I think for years been like why don't you run the ball more? It's like his superpower and he doesn't use it the way that Lamar uses his, the way that, and it's not like Lamar is Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts,
Starting point is 00:39:31 one of these big, humongous guys. He's taking hits, Kyler's always been afraid of the hits. It was the second highest rushing total in his career last year. But I don't expect anything to fundamentally change about Kyler seven years in. That doesn't happen very often. We know he's not a world beater.
Starting point is 00:39:49 He's not gonna be the MVP of the league. So, I don't know. Are you fine drafting Kyler where he's going? You'd rather have Baker in the seven. I don't think I'm drafting Kyler very often, no. I'd rather have Baker around and a half earlier and I'd rather take shots on players that, like Jordan Love, Bo Nix, no.
Starting point is 00:40:12 I don't like, because I think I know Arizona and I think I know Arizona wants to manage it. They're not gonna win it through the air very often. It is worth pointing out their draft this year. I believe they drafted one offensive lineman in the third or fourth round and every other pick was defense. Every single thing. What they did in the free agency was go and sign Kaleus Campbell and Sweatt. They, you're 100% right. What they desire to do is to be a defensive team.
Starting point is 00:40:42 Well, I mean, look, you're outside of Marvin Harrison, who are your wide receivers? Zay Jones gets talked about right now. Love Zay Jones at camp. That should tell you where they're at. Michael Wilson banged up, he's your number two. So it is just- Trey McBride, but yeah. Yeah, I just meant like no new additions.
Starting point is 00:40:58 This is the same group that they're running out there. Moving on though, bigger name. Number seven. Patrick Mah though, bigger name. Number seven. Patrick Mahomes. Big name. It looks like I'm the lowest in four point on Patrick Mahomes at 11. I wish it was me.
Starting point is 00:41:14 I don't like having him at seven, I'll be honest. This is the most undraftable quarterback in our list. I'm not drafting Patrick Mahomes in the sixth round. I'm not doing that. Patrick Mahomes sixth round. I'm not doing that. Patrick Mahomes. I can wait around and get Baker. This is where you need context. 11% of the time last year,
Starting point is 00:41:33 Patrick Mahomes had a quarterback one to six finish. His consistency. That would be one game. His consistency percentage was rated an F. He was the. How low does our scale go though? F is the lowest. We don't give out F minuses. If we did, Patrick Mahomes would have it. And here's the craziest part. Patrick Mahomes was the quarterback 11 last year. Okay, so at the
Starting point is 00:41:55 end of the year, he's gonna have enough stats accumulated to have a decent season. It's very... we've talked about in the past. Philip Rivers did this year after year after year after year. He'd play the whole season. We've talked about it in the past. Philip Rivers did this year after year after year after year. He'd play the whole season. He'd throw enough. He's going to throw the ball a ton. A lot of screens. A lot of dink and dunks. And Philip Rivers would finish as the quarterback 11, quarterback 8, quarterback 10. But you cannot pick them and play them every week to have happiness and success. And so I still think that's where Mahomes is at right now.
Starting point is 00:42:29 They've talked about wanting to throw the ball down the field more, but I don't know that they really are going to do that. Now you don't have Rashi Rice for maybe eight weeks. Yeah. That hurts the upside case for Mahomes as well. For sure. So yeah, I mean mean Mahomes is the cheapest
Starting point is 00:42:45 that you can ever get him and when you leave your draft, you're going to like your team more than you should. Because of how it looks with that name? Yeah, you're gonna be like, oh my quarterback is locked in. If Mahomes has a magical season, and I do think Mahomes will get it together. Like, by the time he retires,
Starting point is 00:43:04 I think he'll have more seasons in his future with really good fantasy finishes, you know, where he is top five. It doesn't appear to be this year with the oldest yet, Travis Kelsey, a suspended Rushie Rice. He just doesn't have the weapons. And the defense is really, really good. Since 2018, he's returned his draft cost one time. So that tells you where we are. Don't draft. With Mahomes. Number six. Bo Nix number six. This one is wild if you look back a year ago that thought that we could be ranking Bo Nix ahead of Patrick Mahomes. At number six, 25 years old on a Denver team that is you know pretty exciting. I mean he did
Starting point is 00:43:50 finish ahead of Patrick Mahomes last year. Yeah, yeah I mean 29 passing touchdowns on the year, second most ever for a rookie quarterback. Cortland-Sutton's locked up, they have a bunch of versatile wide receiver talent beyond Cortland and Sutton. It was a really impressive year. If you wanna look for red flags, most batted balls on the entire year, tied with Gino. Fourth highest check down rate, so taking easier, like he was completing easier passes, 60% of his targets were less than 10 yards.
Starting point is 00:44:27 I mean, it's very Drew Brees, right? It's the Sean P. and sister Drew Brees was always batted down at the line because you get the ball out quick, except now you've got someone who's a dual threat. And that's why I love Bo Nix, is because he can, you know, he rushed the ball 92 times last year. That's an incredible number.
Starting point is 00:44:43 And he's got the wheels to be able to do it 430 yards so you're getting a late quarterback who last year finishes the quarterback seven despite the first month of the season. You know he was reined in. He was a brand new rookie. Like those first four weeks the split from there from how they utilized him the rest of the season you're talking about the first four weeks would have been a pace of 2,800 passing yards to the rest of the season would have been a pace of 4,000 passing yards. Yeah, I mean it is definitely, I think you're not gonna be happy if he doesn't take a step forward or at least continue that second half pace like you're talking about. I mean you need
Starting point is 00:45:22 him to take a step forward to be drafted. You know, are you gonna be happy? You want Baker at the top of the seventh? You want Bowe at the back? You've been a Bo Nix guy. I've been the Baker guy in that round. I think Baker is the safer option. Baker is not going to come out and fall on his face for fantasy completely.
Starting point is 00:45:37 Bo Nix could absolutely fall on his face. He could CJ Stroud. But yeah, he could CJ Stroud. Because the running game could work better. So he's a riskier pick, but I still think I would rather have him his rushing upside the fact that he could level up as you know as a The difference in fantasy you look last year between Jaden Daniels and Bo Nix is not as drastic as you think but you look at
Starting point is 00:45:57 Where Jaden Daniels is being drafted and where Bo Nix is being drafted. It is Vastly different. So I'll take the shot on Bo Nix He's a perfect quarterback to pair with another risky, you know, Anthony Richardson later and just hope that you see that year two step forward, not step back, in a great system with weapons. And you know, the fact that now he's got someone to check the ball down to and the receiver. He passed a lot of passes to Javonte Williams, who then did Jack squat squat with it and now RJ Harvey out of the backfield as a pass catcher I think will be really tremendous. Then Evan Ingram has arrived. Yeah. Who you hate. We'll take a
Starting point is 00:46:33 break we'll get into the top five. I will say this about Bo Nicks if he ends up if this is a solid fantasy year this is household name territory at this point. You know what I mean? Like if he goes out there and the Broncos perform, cause they're, you know, they're one of those teams that's like a little bit of a dark horse Super Bowl threat, I think, with that defense and Bo Nix.
Starting point is 00:46:58 And you know, you're talking about kind of a stalwart in fantasy for a decade to come, if he can go out there and do it in year two. All right, moving on. Number five. Jaden Daniels comes in at number five after the five overall finish as a rookie. That rushing number that he's able to put up, it's a great weekly floor. You've got those numbers at the top of the show. You know, the top quarterback has 20 plus percent of their fantasy points coming from rushing the football That puts him in contention to finish it our or at quarterback one. Yeah, QB RB one So it you know, we know what he brings to the table. The schedule is gonna get a little more difficult this year
Starting point is 00:47:38 But I mean the top tier finishes that you get from him 38% of the time. I hope Terry comes back. Yeah, I mean, the the the trade demand from Terry McClellan matters a lot for Jaden Daniels. As of right now, we believe Terry McClellan will sign a contract with the commanders and you know, and then it won't matter. And if that happens, you're talking about a pretty good upgrade here to his weapons adding Debo Samuel. He really did not have another player to throw the ball to last year. Hopefully Ben Sinnett can also step forward and you still have some. You like Jalen Lane?
Starting point is 00:48:20 I do. I think Jalen Lane is a name that we haven't brought up enough. He's a rookie coming in, really talented, has looked good in camp. So that's certainly a name worth talking about when we talk about Jayden Daniels. Yep, Zach Art still in the mix around the goal line where he was very effective last year and the potential is there for Jayden Daniels to cement himself again, just like Bo Nix, as the next fantasy star for the 10 years. Everything that I was talking about with Kyler, where it's like I want him to take off and run
Starting point is 00:48:53 whenever there's that little blink moment of, oh, there's open field, I could just go get the first down right now. Jaden Daniels does that. I salivate at Bo Nix's 92 rushing attempts. That's awesome. Jaden Daniels had 148 rushing attempts, and it's not all because of designed runs. It's because, oh look, field. Watch what I can do over and over and over. So he is a risky pick for those top guys because he costs a lot, but I
Starting point is 00:49:21 don't think Bo Nix has overall quarterback one potential this year. Jaden could easily do that. Jaden can easily. He is the quarterback three off the board though, in the third round, we have him ranked at five, so from a value perspective, those don't align. That's where you need to look at the upside meter in the UDK and combine that with the ranking.
Starting point is 00:49:42 Yeah. Number four. Joe Burrow. Yeah. Number four. Joe Burrow comes in at number four. We saw it all out there last season, no defense, everything in his hands, utilizing Chase Brown like Austin Eckler, Jamar Chase with the Triple Crown season, T. Higgins, Jamar Chase back on the contracts. I don't know what to do with Joe Burrow. I don't know what to do with him. What was that sentence? I don't know what to do with Joe Burrow.
Starting point is 00:50:05 Number one quarterback. I don't know what to do with him. What was that sentence? I don't know what to do with Joe Burrow. When I finished my initial pass at my rankings, do you know where Joe Burrow was for me? I think very high. How about quarterback one?
Starting point is 00:50:20 Which is what he was from week nine on last year. Yeah, I mean this is maybe the best quarterback in the NFL combined with a bad defense and the best weapons. He is what Mahomes used to have to be. Exactly. That's what he is right now. He's in the Mahomes phase of his career where you're 250 plus, three touchdowns every week
Starting point is 00:50:41 no matter what and what's funny is Joe Burrow's never had an off season. You go back, he literally, this is the first time Joe Burrow has been healthy during an off season and during a training camp time. Bengals fans go knock on wood. This is the first time it's ever happened. And he's going into year six, so that's pretty wild.
Starting point is 00:50:58 Yeah, and they, uh. I think the Patrick Mahomes thing you're bringing up is a really good way to look at it. Like if you were to- It makes me more comfortable with him. It does. If you were to swap Mahomes and Burrow right now, teams, I would love Patrick Mahomes.
Starting point is 00:51:12 If you're telling me he's playing on a team with no defense and he's got T. Higgins and Jamar Chase and Chase Brown out of the backfield, go get him. That's what Joe Burrow is right now. And so I- Fourth round, QB four. I had to lower him in my rankings because I would never take him personally over the four-
Starting point is 00:51:30 Runners. Mobile Russian quarterbacks. And so he was too high and I just don't like spending- I could see- I mean, you look at Baker versus Joe Burrow and you go, okay, what's the gap there? Baker just threw for, you know, 40 touchdowns and well over 4,000 yards is very similar to Burrow and you go, okay, what's the gap there? Baker just threw for 40 touchdowns and well over 4,000 yards is very similar to Burrow. The problem of putting Burrow on your team
Starting point is 00:51:52 right now is that Jalen Hurts is a fourth round pick too. Yeah. And you ended up with Jalen Hurts in your most recent mock. And I took him over Joe Burrow and I did that with T. Higgins on the roster. Well, that's what I was gonna say. That would be the differentiator to me. If I'm sitting in the fourth round
Starting point is 00:52:09 and I had Higgins or Chase, I'm taking Burrow over Hertz. I'm just gonna do that. Because I like having a good time. This stack is so fun. I like that's the most fun time you can have. Yeah, that's fair. So I would do that, but again, I will highlight. Look, you're a 200 yard rusher at best. So if you don't throw 40, you're not happy with where you drop Joe Burrow. He's so expensive for a pocket pass. He's just a good bet to throw 40 as good a bet of any money of of any money of any money. Bunny bunny is as good of a bet as anybody.
Starting point is 00:52:42 He's as good of a bet as anybody. Number three. There is Jalen hurts. Jalen hurts is kind of a machine and. He is he was a quarterback 9 last year. Miss two games. Obviously it was Saquon's. Incredible season, right? You you dependent on Saquon's incredible season, right? You depended on Saquon, the defense is fabulous.
Starting point is 00:53:09 That's one of the bigger points against Jalen Hurts is the defense is so good that you need to do your damage in the first half, or you did last year. But there is a lot of margin for the passing volume to go up for Jalen Hurts to need to throw it more and then he has the weapons to do it. So it's not 2022 where he's 25 points a game. He's been at 21 for three of the last four years.
Starting point is 00:53:37 That's what you can kind of expect from Jalen Hurst and that's great. Yeah, that's fine. And he is not going to cost you a second round pick like Josh Allen, but he won't be too far away from Josh Allen, but he won't be too far away from Josh Allen in fantasy points. If I had to get a second round running back and Jalen Hurts versus a fourth round running back and Josh Allen, I will clearly take the Jalen Hurts side. So I think roster construction, fantasy football strategy, that matters a lot. Jalen Hurts is pretty much a lock for 10 rushing touchdowns. The tush push has gone nowhere. And when I say a lock for 10,
Starting point is 00:54:06 it's probably a lock for 15 rushing touchdowns. I, you know, we don't know. Saquon scares me on both sides, right? Because obviously if he does what he did last year and get close to breaking the, the rushing yardage record and, you know, go out there and run the ball for 2000,000 yards, that's going to hurt Jalen Hurts. But at the same time, that workload he had at his age, if Saquon were to go out and get injured and you've got to throw the ball more, the passing work really can go up this year
Starting point is 00:54:38 despite having a good defense. So I just like talented players. Jalen Hurts is talented. He's got a great receiving core. I wish their defense wasn't as good But I'm totally down taking Jalen Hurts number two Well, I've got him at one Mike has him at one Jason at three So he comes in at two in our consensus rankings. It's Josh Allen
Starting point is 00:55:00 also a machine Excellent the stallion himself. He is the QB one off the board in ADP right now. He is the most consistent thing in fantasy football possible at quarterback. You've seen it for six full years now. The last four, even with the James Cook explosion, the rushing game, the change in philosophies. He's still barely, barely underneath his points per game of his number one overall finish in 2023. It was the MVP
Starting point is 00:55:31 of football. And so he's expensive, right? He's going to be a late second round pick. If you want him, you got to spend up starts the year against Baltimore and the jets on the road. But Josh Allen is just, he he's very very safe. He's just not He's just not a value. Yeah, that's that I mean I It's funny. I can't imagine drafting Josh Allen and fantasy football right now. I would love to have Josh Allen and fantasy football I just don't want to sacrifice a second round pick So again pay attention to your draft if your your league is pushing quarterbacks a little bit later, another round or two, go ahead and grab Josh Allen when he becomes of value when there's a drop off in the elite running
Starting point is 00:56:13 back and wide receivers. I personally can't see taking him over Lamar Jackson. I think that if you look at how Lamar Jackson has leveled up in his system and how Josh Allen has leveled down in his system just from a statistic accumulation standpoint. We know the Bills really, really, really want to run the ball and they've done that. Josh Allen threw for 3,700 yards this last year. The new system has really incentivized that. He doesn't have great weapons. Lamar Jackson, I think he's going to throw for 4,000. Josh Allen has gone down in that category. The rushing yardage, you're talking about Josh Allen being at mid-500s probably, whereas Lamar
Starting point is 00:57:02 Jackson could push 1,000 or should be in the 800s. Yeah, I mean, Alan's gonna have double digit rushing touchdowns, that's not something that Lamar's guaranteed to have. I will say this, the bust rate for Josh Allen went way, way up last year, so even though the fantasy finish was pretty good,
Starting point is 00:57:19 points per game was pretty good, he had a 25% bust rate, which was the highest since his rookie year and way higher than the year before which was only 6% of the time so even though the great was great you definitely had a drop-off at times whereas Lamar... Number one. Lamar Jackson was with Baker as 50% of the time finishing in the top six at the position. That is-
Starting point is 00:57:46 He was so good. That's delightful. And he was the second highest points per game of his career going back to his MVP season in 2019, which was 27.7 per game. Last year was 25.3 per game. He is also drafted behind Josh Allen by, you know, a few picks at least.
Starting point is 00:58:04 And it was his most consistent fantasy season of all time. 16 finishes in the top 12. That was the weird thing, and I want to make sure that we don't just see what he did last year and project that for this year on Lamar. Like we did in 2019 to 2020? Yeah, I can't imagine that it is this consistent. He's never really been the most consistent.
Starting point is 00:58:26 He's got those massive boom games. Now, I don't know if having Derrick Henry there, making defenders stack the box, is that what really changed things for Lamar? If so, great. Let's keep that going. But also, similar to Jalen Hurts, if you've got a guy that's rushing for 2,000 yards, that could end up taking some of his work down. But the rushing lanes were open for him. He's going to run for over 750 yards, so he's not going to have a bad fantasy season at all. These guys are
Starting point is 00:58:53 safe. Just don't... I still wouldn't draft one of these guys over the elite running back or wide receivers if they're still on the board. Yeah, no, it makes sense. And if you have a late round quarterback to throw out, as the countdown comes to a close, Mike wanted us to mention Justin Fields. Yeah, for sure. He loves Justin Fields, who has always been good for fantasy. Even the first four or the first six weeks last year,
Starting point is 00:59:17 he was pretty good for fantasy. For me, it's Jordan Love, 11th round, borderline free quarterback. He could go nearly undrafted in your league, has finished at QB5 before. Love the ensemble, love the Packers' opportunities this year to be a difference making team. So Jordan Love is my late round guy. For me, it's Drake May.
Starting point is 00:59:39 He showed enough flashes. He is a player that I think could go out there and rush for 500 yards, level up in year two. He adds a player that I think could go out there and rush for 500 yards, level up in year two. He adds Stephon Diggs. I think the receiving corps is going to be better and Vrabel is going to have a much better team and system than what Drake may had last year. All right, that is it for today's episode. Ice and fire, Mike Wright back in the building tomorrow another mock draft this week and a bunch of great shows as we get you ready for the 2025 NFL season which is coming quickly a one more reminder check out ultimate draft kid comm
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